Attention Reece Admin
dna
Again, none of my posts or e mails are getting through, as I have been
trying for weeks. No seetings have been changed.
tia
Dee.
Nomen Nescio
Remops in APAS these days aren't what they used to be. They have to
read everything they can. If it's too much trouble, like multiple hops,
they discard the message.
Wouldn't you feel uncomfortable if someone used your anonymous remailer
to communicate with terrorist operatives about blowing up a school bus?
Or your city's twin towers?
Then, some remops simply don't want to hear all the complaints from
disgruntled Usenet posters, especially mentally disturbed targets of
anonymous troll posts, no matter how funny they are.
A remop like Kulin, located in Australia, has to have military ties.
Some years ago there was an Australia military white paper that talked
about controlling the internet and controlling everyones'
communications.
My advice to you - don't ever count on remop reliability. If they
process your anonymous message, it's only as a favor to you. The only
reliable remops are the ones who provide secret services. You will
never find them.
Junior
> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, dna wrote:
>> You were so helpful last time, again I need your help.
>> Again, none of my posts or e mails are getting through, as I have been
>> trying for weeks. No seetings have been changed.
>
> read everything they can. If it's too much trouble, like multiple hops,
> they discard the message.
Blatherskite.
> Wouldn't you feel uncomfortable if someone used your anonymous remailer
> to communicate with terrorist operatives about blowing up a school bus?
> Or your city's twin towers?
So, you're saying terrorists have confidence in the remailer
network?
> Then, some remops simply don't want to hear all the complaints from
> disgruntled Usenet posters, especially mentally disturbed targets of
> anonymous troll posts, no matter how funny they are.
Edmo?
> A remop like Kulin, located in Australia, has to have military ties.
> Some years ago there was an Australia military white paper that talked
> about controlling the internet and controlling everyones'
> communications.
Talk is cheap. Do you really think "they" would do what it takes and
commit the necessary resources to get results?
> My advice to you - don't ever count on remop reliability. If they
> process your anonymous message, it's only as a favor to you. The only
> reliable remops are the ones who provide secret services. You will
> never find them.
Then explain why they would even run a remailer; are they *all* spooks?
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
news:be669e0487b1228a...@tioat.net...
I am not at all intersted in any politics, but Reece was helpful in the
past.
Junior
> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Reece seems like someone who likes doing the remailer thing. Just
guessing; all I know is what I read in this group. I had to reply to
the previous poster because the guy was all over the map... first
it's running down the remailer network and then it's saying the bad
guys trust it enough to use it. I mean; which is it. ;)
Over the years, my experience with the remailer network gives me
confidence in it; the system is quite reliable. It can be a bit
complicated so I think it's good to have dialog going on in this
group about anything concerning using it. Politics adds a little
spice to the brew. Feelings may get hurt, but you know what they say
about getting out of the kitchen if you can't take the heat.
Any luck yet getting your posts and emails through?
Reece
Hash: SHA1
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Late reply so I don't know if you've sorted it or not.
You say no settings have changed. Have you updated your stats or
set QS to update your stats on send? If not, QS could be
selecting a redundant remailer somewhere in the chain.
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Cheers,
Reece
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dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Well, no luck, I have used the same settings as before I had to format my
hd. Then messages were getting through then. Politics, then take it a
relevant newsgroup.
dna
"Reece" <remaile...@reece.net.au> wrote in message
news:RKGCQ7F54018...@reece.net.au...
Hello Reece, thanks for all your help in the past. I need your good services
again, I use bananasplit for my stats. I save a screengrab of my previous
settings. Yes I have set QS to update on send.
Junior
>
> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fb98ec19f5867174...@tioat.net...
>> dna wrote:
>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, dna wrote:
>>>>>> Again, none of my posts or e mails are getting through, as I have been
>>> I am not at all intersted in any politics, but Reece was helpful in the
>
> Well, no luck, I have used the same settings as before I had to format my
> hd. Then messages were getting through then. Politics, then take it a
> relevant newsgroup.
I bet it turns out to be something simple. That's what happens to me
all the time anyway. Can you get a post to show up on alt.test?
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Thanks, I will try in alt.test. But I have tried in alt.privacy, nothing
shows up there.
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Yes it has turned up in alt.test, but strangley I cannot post in alt.privacy
or in this newsgroup.
Junior
> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>> dna wrote:
>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, dna wrote:
>>>>>>>> Again, none of my posts or e mails are getting through, as I have
>>>>>> Blatherskite.
>>>>> I am not at all intersted in any politics, but Reece was helpful in the
>>>> Any luck yet getting your posts and emails through?
>>> Well, no luck, I have used the same settings as before I had to format my
>>
>> all the time anyway. Can you get a post to show up on alt.test?
>
> Yes it has turned up in alt.test, but strangley I cannot post in alt.privacy
> or in this newsgroup.
It's possible that your posts are being rejected as duplicates. If a
remailer is set to create the message-id; the way it does it can
cause this. Make sure that the text is different for each post to be
sure that doesn't happen. Your posts might even be getting filtered
on the word test, or something like that, for these groups. I'm just
guessing at that because your setup appears to be working fine if
you send to alt.test.
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Thanks a lot, but if a remailer is setting up a message-id, then how anon
can it be?
Also the same idea could be applied to text of the messsage sent.
I have actuallt tried changing the body of the text, but no posting took
place.
Junior
> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>> dna wrote:
>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> dna wrote:
>>>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> dna wrote:
>>>>>>> "Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Jan 2010, dna wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Again, none of my posts or e mails are getting through, as I have
>>>>>>>>> Remops in APAS these days aren't what they used to be. They have
>>>>>>> I am not at all intersted in any politics, but Reece was helpful in
>>>>> Well, no luck, I have used the same settings as before I had to format
>>
>> remailer is set to create the message-id; the way it does it can
>> cause this. Make sure that the text is different for each post to be
>> sure that doesn't happen. Your posts might even be getting filtered
>> on the word test, or something like that, for these groups. I'm just
>> guessing at that because your setup appears to be working fine if
>> you send to alt.test.
>
> Thanks a lot, but if a remailer is setting up a message-id, then how anon
> can it be?
Nah, the message-id is just a string of characters used to give each
message/post its own unique identification. Technically, the
gibberish you see in that header could contain encrypted information
but it's not likely. I've never heard of anything like that and, the
way the folks are in this newsgroup, you can bet your ass they would
make noise about it if that was actually happening or even something
to worry about.
> Also the same idea could be applied to text of the messsage sent.
> I have actuallt tried changing the body of the text, but no posting took
> place.
OK, it must be something else then. I was only guessing at a reason
why posts weren't showing up here. The fact that you can post to
alt.test is a clue. Where's Columbo or Monk when we need them? LOL
Are some remailers actually blocking posts to this newsgroup? That
really sounds unlikely but, wtf, you never know. Have you tried
looking at the remailer-conf from the ones you are using? As a test,
you could send mail with a subject of remailer-conf or remailer-help
and that would at least let you know that a particular remailer is
receiving your messages. You should receive a reply within a few
minutes to those messages. The remailer-conf will tell you if
there's some kind of filter blocking posts to a newsgroup and any
other filtering it does.
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Thanks a lot, I will do that.
dna
"dna" <nospam.or...@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9TV2n.823$Os....@newsfe05.ams2...
Apologies for a late reply, been too busy at work, I tried what you told me
to do. Noting came back.
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Junior wrote:
>dna wrote:
>> Thanks a lot, but if a remailer is setting up a message-id, then how anon
>> can it be?
>
>Nah, the message-id is just a string of characters used to give each
>message/post its own unique identification. Technically, the
>gibberish you see in that header could contain encrypted information
>but it's not likely. I've never heard of anything like that and, the
>way the folks are in this newsgroup, you can bet your ass they would
>make noise about it if that was actually happening or even something
>to worry about.
There's no reason to be afraid. The exit remailer, which adds the
message id, doesn't know anything that allows to compromise the
originator of a message.
.
Dave U. Random
>except that sneaky little dot after the last line of your message
Which is also added by the exit remailer, a blemish that should have
been remedied a long, long time ago. ;-) Nice try!
.
Anonymous
dna
"Anonymous" <Anon...@domain.invalid> wrote in message
news:hiscso$qcp$1...@news.mixmin.net...
Thanks all for trying, so what am I supposed to do?
Anonymous Remailer (austria)
Dave U. Random wrote:
According to RFC 2821 a mail message has to end with a dot within a
separate line. To avoid ambiguity normal text lines starting with a
dot are escaped by inserting an additional leading dot, which prevents
them from being misinterpreted as an "end-of-text" mark. But some of
the remailers currently in operation aren't aware of those rules,
either don't suppress the trailing dot or unduly remove too many dots
from within the text part. So there obviously is room for improvement.
Let's see how the "..." lines below arrive.
| RFC 2821 Simple Mail Transfer Protocol April 2001
....
| 3.3 Mail Transactions
....
| Since the mail data is sent on the transmission channel, the end of
| mail data must be indicated so that the command and reply dialog can
| be resumed. SMTP indicates the end of the mail data by sending a
| line containing only a "." (period or full stop). A transparency
| procedure is used to prevent this from interfering with the user's
| text (see section 4.5.2).
....
| 4.5.2 Transparency
|
| Without some provision for data transparency, the character sequence
| "<CRLF>.<CRLF>" ends the mail text and cannot be sent by the user.
| In general, users are not aware of such "forbidden" sequences. To
| allow all user composed text to be transmitted transparently, the
| following procedures are used:
|
| - Before sending a line of mail text, the SMTP client checks the
| first character of the line. If it is a period, one additional
| period is inserted at the beginning of the line.
|
| - When a line of mail text is received by the SMTP server, it checks
| the line. If the line is composed of a single period, it is
| treated as the end of mail indicator. If the first character is a
| period and there are other characters on the line, the first
| character is deleted.
That requires a message
| To: Abc <abc[at]xyz.com>
| Subject: Dot Test
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
|
| My test.
| .
| ..
| ...
| Bye
to be encoded to
| To: Abc <abc[at]xyz.com>
| Subject: Dot Test
| MIME-Version: 1.0
| Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
|
| My test.
| ..
| ...
| ....
| Bye
| .
before being processed by Mixmaster.
�2�
.
Non scrivetemi
<snip RFC cite>
> That requires a message
>
> | To: Abc <abc[at]xyz.com>
> | Subject: Dot Test
> | MIME-Version: 1.0
> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> |
> | My test.
> | .
> | ..
> | ...
> | Bye
>
> to be encoded to
>
> | To: Abc <abc[at]xyz.com>
> | Subject: Dot Test
> | MIME-Version: 1.0
> | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> |
> | My test.
> | ..
> | ...
> | ....
> | Bye
> | .
>
> before being processed by Mixmaster.
100% wrong. Mixmaster isn't an SMTP server and doesn't accept
messages using the SMTP protocol. It uses stdin and/or direct file
access.
Dave U. Random
Dave U. Random <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Which is also added by the exit remailer, a blemish that should have
> been remedied a long, long time ago. ;-) Nice try!
> .
Sorry, but your dot is not added by Dave.
Junior
> Thanks all for trying, so what am I supposed to do?
Need more detail on what *you* have tried so far and the results.
Come closer... *we* won't hurt you. <eg>
Dave U. Random
Be careful there with all that intelligence. You could be dangerous.
Fritz Wuehler
> messages using the SMTP protocol.
The crux of the matter is that some versions do and others don't.
.
Nomen Nescio
Why not?
Some silly little dot is going to out your anonymity?
George Orwell
>Non scrivetemi wrote:
To demonstrate the variety of results I tested several remailers by
sending lines with 1, 2 and 3 leading dots to alt.testing.testing
using OmniMix, which seems to encode the messages the way I described
above.
AFAICS only dizum, george and noauth do it right.
The rest corrupts message bodies in some form or another:
* Leading dot removed from text lines.
* Leading dot doubled within text lines.
* Leading empty line added to the message body (austria).
* Trailing empty lines added to the message body (kulin).
* Trailing line containing a single dot added to the message body.
================================================
dizum - mail...@dizum.com
| From: Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
------------------------------------------------
george - mail...@dizum.com
| From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
------------------------------------------------
noauth - mail...@dizum.com
antani - mail...@dizum.com
| From: noauth <an...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
------------------------------------------------
austria - mail...@m2n.mixmin.net
| From: "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixm...@remailer.privacy.at>
|
|
| starting ...
| .. this
| ... little
| .... test
|
| ....
| done
| ...
| and
| ..
| gone
| .
------------------------------------------------
cripto - mail...@dizum.com
| From: Anonymous <cri...@ecn.org>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
| .
------------------------------------------------
kulin - mail...@dizum.com
| From: Kulin Remailer <rema...@reece.net.au>
|
| starting ...
| this
| . little
| .. test
|
| ..
| done
| .
| and
| .
| gone
|
|
------------------------------------------------
devurandom - mail...@dizum.com
hermetix - mail...@dizum.com
pobox (middle only) - mail...@dizum.com
kroken (middle only) - mail...@dizum.com
winters (middle only) - mail...@dizum.com
starwars - mail...@dizum.com
eurovibes - mail...@dizum.com
| From: Dave U. Random <anon...@anonymitaet-im-inter.net>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
| .
------------------------------------------------
pboxmix - mail...@m2n.mixmin.net
| From: "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info>
|
| starting ...
| .. this
| ... little
| .... test
|
| ....
| done
| ...
| and
| ..
| gone
| .
------------------------------------------------
deuxpi - mail...@dizum.com
mangrin (middle only) - mail...@dizum.com
lulunga - mail...@dizum.com
gpfa - mail...@dizum.com
| From: "Non scrivetemi" <nonscr...@pboxmix.winstonsmith.info>
|
| starting ...
| . this
| .. little
| ... test
|
| ...
| done
| ..
| and
| .
| gone
| .
------------------------------------------------
gpfa - mail...@m2n.mixmin.net
| From: George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it>
|
| starting ...
| .. this
| ... little
| .... test
|
| ....
| done
| ...
| and
| ..
| gone
================================================
Without committing oneself to a specific exit remailer (and by doing
so weakening anonymity) the outcome is a game of chance. Moreover, it
means hard times especially for those used to clearsign their
messages. I wonder why this inconsistency hasn't been addressed yet.
�2�
George Orwell
George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
>
> Fritz Wuehler wrote:
>
> >Non scrivetemi wrote:
>
> >> 100% wrong. Mixmaster isn't an SMTP server and doesn't accept
> >> messages using the SMTP protocol.
> >
> >The crux of the matter is that some versions do and others don't.
> >.
>
> To demonstrate the variety of results I tested several remailers by
> sending lines with 1, 2 and 3 leading dots to alt.testing.testing
> using OmniMix, which seems to encode the messages the way I described
> above.
I see.
<snip>
>
> Without committing oneself to a specific exit remailer (and by doing
> so weakening anonymity) the outcome is a game of chance. Moreover, it
> means hard times especially for those used to clearsign their
> messages. I wonder why this inconsistency hasn't been addressed yet.
>
> �2�
Perhaps this needs to be addressed with the author of Omnimix, then.
Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it
Anonymous
100% wrong. There are NO versions of Mixmaster that are SMTP
servers. PERIOD. Mixmaster has ALWAYS needed to be paired with SOME
method of moving mail about. At remailer nodes that's typically a
MTA. For users it's usually something like Quicksilver, which hands
messages off to Mixmaster as files I believe, You could do the exact
same thing using any text editor to write out a mail message, then
sicking Mixmaster on it with some terminal magic like 'mixmaster -m
--chain=*,*,* --copies=3 message.txt'.
Please.... if you don't have a clue what you're talking about,
don't try and guess.
noauth
> In article <5c1a9b2c90f3f056...@mixmaster.it>
> George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> > To demonstrate the variety of results I tested several remailers by
> > sending lines with 1, 2 and 3 leading dots to alt.testing.testing
> > using OmniMix, which seems to encode the messages the way I described
> > above.
>
> I see.
>
> <snip>
> >
> > Without committing oneself to a specific exit remailer (and by doing
> > so weakening anonymity) the outcome is a game of chance. Moreover, it
> > means hard times especially for those used to clearsign their
> > messages. I wonder why this inconsistency hasn't been addressed yet.
> >
> > �2�
>
> Perhaps this needs to be addressed with the author of Omnimix, then.
And what would you recommend to him? No, first of all end that muddle
and standardize the processing by the exit remailer. Christian as
well as Richard can't do anything useful before reaching an agreement
on that.
Kulin Remailer
noauth <an...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
>
> George Orwell wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps this needs to be addressed with the author of Omnimix, then.
>
> And what would you recommend to him? No, first of all end that muddle
> and standardize the processing by the exit remailer. Christian as
> well as Richard can't do anything useful before reaching an agreement
> on that.
I'm having a hard time figuring out where you think the problem originates.
Is it the various versions of mixmaster? The remailer's smtp? Omnimix?
I've never, ever, never ever had a dot *added* by any exit remailer or
gateway. I have never noticed any dots being removed from any post I made.
I have noticed lines inserted at the end of my posts at times, and
occasionally at the beginning.
Why would your trailing dot appear on *some* of your posts, but never on
any of the thousands of posts I've made with every conceivable combination
of exit remailers and gateways? Let's start there.
dna
"Junior" <jun...@Use-Author-Supplied-Address.invalid> wrote in message
Thanks, I tried to send an e mail to the admins of the respective remailer.
Anonymous
>In article <adfcbdb9abb20b48...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx>
>noauth <an...@remailer.gabrix.ath.cx> wrote:
>>
>> George Orwell wrote:
>> >
>> > Perhaps this needs to be addressed with the author of Omnimix, then.
>>
>> And what would you recommend to him? No, first of all end that muddle
>> and standardize the processing by the exit remailer. Christian as
>> well as Richard can't do anything useful before reaching an agreement
>> on that.
>
>I'm having a hard time figuring out where you think the problem originates.
> Is it the various versions of mixmaster? The remailer's smtp? Omnimix?
I guess it's somewhere after the decryption at the exit remailer
(within or outside Mixmaster). Interesting that the selection of the
m2n gateway also makes a difference (with an equal exit remailer one
more dot with the mixmin m2n compared with the one at dizum).
>I've never, ever, never ever had a dot *added* by any exit remailer or
>gateway. I have never noticed any dots being removed from any post I made.
>Why would your trailing dot appear on *some* of your posts, but never on
>any of the thousands of posts I've made with every conceivable combination
>of exit remailers and gateways? Let's start there.
You may not have sent lines beginning with dots or messages ending
with a line containing a dot. Please be so kind as to send the message
specified above by your mail client through a few exit remailers to
alt.testing.testing. Tests with QS and JBN would show us whether it's
an OM specific problem.
> I have noticed lines inserted at the end of my posts at times, and
>occasionally at the beginning.
That's bad enough.
.