I am going to prison
HHHorus
Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.
I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in advance.
RevJimS
In article <19970729210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
hhh...@aol.com (HHHorus) writes:
>Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
>the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
>white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
>sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
>disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.<
It would help to understand your situation if I knew what your offense was
and the $$ amount involved. You can reply by private email if you like,
to Rev...@aol.com . I am a prison minister, and an ex-inmate. Depending
on the type of crime you committed, I would not rule out alternative
sentences, such as home detention, halfway house, community service, etc.
Your own attorney could best advise you on exactly what sort of sentence
you will receive.
>
>I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
>and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
>computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
And very understandably so. I do not know you previous life experiences,
but to most people being incarcerated is the most emotionally traumatic
experiences of their lives. If you go to a linear confinement
institution, you will spend most of your time in a small cell with at
least one cellmate. There will be two "bunks", a toilet/sink, and perhaps
a shelf and locker. Your security level, which will be determined after
sentencing, will determine if you end up in this type of confinement. You
may qualify for a nicer prison where you will be in a room in a Pod (a
group, or cluster of rooms.) If you are luckiest, you may be placed in a
residential center, where you will live in a dormitory type setting.
In any of these alternatives, you will give up any privacy the minute you
walk in the gates. You will not regain any privacy until you are released
or paroled. Every minute of your day will be regulated, when you sleep,
when you eat, work, etc. You will work, and not always in a manner that
utilizes your skills. You may mop floors, or clean toilets, or work in
the prison factory. Working pays a small, very small salary.
Visiting, mail, phone, relative freedom of movement, all vary from one
prison to another. The best advise I can give anyone headed to prison is:
* Learn to sleep on your back, or with your back to the wall. Rape
happens in prison, it's not just a TV myth.
* You will soon learn who has the alcohol, drugs, contraband, where
the s tashes are, etc. Keep your mouth shut. Mind your own business.
Snitching on someone about these things will get you into the prison
hospital with a knife wound. You see nothing, you know nothing, you say
nothing.
* Treat CO's (guards) with respect. They are just there to do their
job, and as with any job, there are some good COs and some bad COs. I
have generally found that if you treat them with respect, they will
usually treat you with respect.
* Participate in the appropriate religious services. These will help
keep your morale up. Participate in as many programs as possible, it will
help the time pass quicker.
* Make some friends, but choose those friends wisely. Keep away from
the "gangs" that may try to recruit you.
* Make sure that you have someone on the outside who will write to you,
who you can call, and who will periodically send you money to use for
commissary items. Try to maintain ties to your friends and family, by
phone and letter. It is important to know that your family and friends
are looking forward to your release.
>Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
>how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
>using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
>facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in
advance.<
You're welcome.
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D., D.B., C.P.M.
Pastor, Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church
Pastor, ULC of Ohio
Cleveland, Ohio, USA
WEB site at http://members.aol.com/RevJimS/index.html (Revised and updated 6/97)
Comments always welcome.
cn
HHHorus <hhh...@aol.com> wrote:
> Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
> the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
> white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
> sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
> disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.
>
> I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
> and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
> computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
> how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
> using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
> facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in advance.
Learn the rules and follow them. Don't get into debt to other inmates.
Be wary of what you tell others. Don't try to come off as a tough guy
for someone will try to find out if you are. Watch what you say. Read
lots of books and get plenty of exercise.
den...@usaor.netacom
Take your vasoline, you will need it. Don t do the crime if you can t
do the time. It doesn t really matter, 38 - 18 - 28 - 58, your ass is
mine. Cum and get it. That old jail house saying is, fight or fuck.
Better learn to fight boy.
Tell it how it really is, don t bull shit guy.
RevJimS
In article <33DF1F...@usaor.netacom>, den...@usaor.netacom writes:
>
>Take your vasoline, you will need it. Don t do the crime if you can t
>do the time. It doesn t really matter, 38 - 18 - 28 - 58, your ass is
>mine. Cum and get it. That old jail house saying is, fight or fuck.
>Better learn to fight boy.
>
>Tell it how it really is, don t bull shit guy.
Ahh, another unenlightened comment from the ignorant. Read my previous
post for the real information about going to prison. Ignore this guy's
crude comments.
` D E M I G O D
rev...@aol.com (RevJimS) writes:
> In article <19970729210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> hhh...@aol.com (HHHorus) writes:
>
..[snip]...some irrelevant crap is being crefully removed...........
> >I have never been on the wrong side of the law before.
..[snip]...some more of the priest's crap on "code of prison" removed...
> * Learn to sleep on your back, or with your back to the wall. Rape
> happens in prison, it's not just a TV myth.
>
> * You will soon learn who has the alcohol, drugs, contraband, where
> the s tashes are, etc. Keep your mouth shut. Mind your own business.
> Snitching on someone about these things will get you into the prison
> hospital with a knife wound. You see nothing, you know nothing, you say
> nothing.
>
> * Treat CO's (guards) with respect. They are just there to do their
> job, and as with any job, there are some good COs and some bad COs. I
> have generally found that if you treat them with respect, they will
> usually treat you with respect.
I haven't seen <any> official material of this matter, otherwise, there
is no "need" for institution with the type of "policies" described....
> * Participate in the appropriate religious services. These will help
> keep your morale up. Participate in as many programs as possible, it will
> help the time pass quicker.
Ah, now it comes more clear to me what your're saying: a sales pitch...
So, you're trying to promote your "services" even there where normal
salesmen are usually restricted. Tough cow-chip cookie you're selling...
because there not very many people are buying it.
> * Make some friends, but choose those friends wisely. Keep away from
> the "gangs" that may try to recruit you.
..[snip]...more of the priest-made up crap has been carefully removed...
> >Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
> >how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
> advance.<
As <any> institution, the one you're heading to must have its own
official policies, which must be available to the public.
If this is a public institution which is also funded by public's money,
it should be also accountable to the public. So, YOU will tell US "how
to behave" being a prisoner.
AFAIC, your survival instincts will direct you very well on how to behave
being a hostage to others. Have you ever heard of a "nostage syndrome?
Randy Wood
In article <33DF1F...@usaor.netacom>, den...@usaor.netacom says...
>Take your vasoline, you will need it. Don t do the crime if you can t
>do the time. It doesn t really matter, 38 - 18 - 28 - 58, your ass is
>mine. Cum and get it. That old jail house saying is, fight or fuck.
>Better learn to fight boy.
>
>Tell it how it really is, don t bull shit guy.
You are one sick puppy! I sure hope you're not a CO!
Randy Wood
Linda C.
B. Allen wrote:
>
> Like the Rev., my involvement is with prison ministries and I recommend
> that you get involved with them.
>
> I became close friends with a couple of Lieutenants and a Captain and,
> of course inmates. I feel that I had as good a feel for what went on in
> a prison without actual incarceration. At this institution there were
> no rapes. I didn't even know anyone who knew anyone who had ever been
> raped.
>
> You are not the first white collar type to go to prison--you will have
> plenty of company. Your biggest problem will probably be boredom, not
> violence. Even if you get into a "tough" prison, what would tough guys
> want with a 38 year old man when there are so many younger guys around.
>
>
> I'd be careful the first week or so until you get a lay of the land, and
> then just be yourself. COs tell you that prisons are dangerous so that
> they can make more money. Inmates tell you that prisons are dangerous
> so that they appear to have achieved something by surviving. I am
> neither and can tell you that you are going to be fine. Not great, but
> you will survive.B Allen:
I don't know where you work but you are living an illusion. You may not have
heard it, seen it, or experienced it - but IT DOES HAPPEN.
Prisons are dangerous and don't mislead this person by pretending otherwise.
It is summer time. The heat index is climbing and so are tempers. The only
thing running at a deficit right now is patience.
Any person who enters prison for the first time will be a victim of
intimidation, rape, or abuse until they have established themselves as one to
be reckoned with. You are giving this person foolish advice!
Respectfully,
Linda C.
--
If it isn't working in the physical,
ask your Spirit self why?
Check out our web site at http://bare-wisdom.org and . . .
sign our guest book please.
B. Allen
B. Allen
>
> I don't know where you work but you are living an illusion. You may not have
> heard it, seen it, or experienced it - but IT DOES HAPPEN.
>
> Prisons are dangerous and don't mislead this person by pretending otherwise.
> It is summer time. The heat index is climbing and so are tempers. The only
> thing running at a deficit right now is patience.
>
> Any person who enters prison for the first time will be a victim of
> intimidation, rape, or abuse until they have established themselves as one to
> be reckoned with. You are giving this person foolish advice!
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Linda C.
California and in the nation. I don't pretend to be an authority on all prisons.
Second, I knew a number of rather notorious child molesters who were well known by all in the prison for what
they had done. While they were hardly the most popular inmates on campus, they survived without any violence
or abuse. If someone of that ilk can manage, so can a 38 year old white collar criminal.
In California, the prison population was about 25,000 fifteen years ago. Today it is about 130,000. Those
25,000 were hardened criminals who were about as tough as they could be. Now prisons in California are filled
with drunk drivers, gangbanging wannabes, white collar criminals and drug users. Jail time is going out of
favor and prison time is the wave of the future.
Without commenting on the relative merits of this new trend, I believe that it has transformed our prisons from
the dangerous hellholes that we normally think of to a far less dangerous warehouse for inmates with a much
less violent demeaner.
I think that we simply disagree on this one.
Scott0795
>Without commenting on the relative merits of this new trend, I believe
that
>it has transformed our prisons from
>the dangerous hellholes that we normally think of to a far less dangerous
>warehouse for inmates with a much
>less violent demeaner.
>
>
more dangerous. Lots of young violent inmates are being locked up for
long sentences. These are youg men who have very little impulse control -
their viiolence is quite unpredictable. A the same time, many
white-collar non-streetwise types are also being locked up. Result - it's
open season on the latter types.
Regarding the risk of a 38 year-old being raped? Real high, unless he's
just really unattractive. If he's a slender, soft-spoken type, he's in
trouble.
I worked in a Missouri medium-high security prison within the last few
years.
or...@atlantic.net
On a serious note: Jump bail and get yourself a copy of 'New ID in
America' from Paladin Press. Start your life over my friend.
or...@atlantic.net
So, you're good at bookkeeping? This will be very handy in keeping
track of all your lost gain-time and shower-bangs.
More good advise - draw up a will before your sentencing!
RevJimS
You sure show a remarkable lack of basic human sympathy. What if the
situation were reversed, and you were on your way in ?
RevJimS
In article <5rnphb$ron$1...@straylight.axionet.com>, ` D E M I G O D
<dem...@axionet.com> writes:
>> * Participate in the appropriate religious services. These will help
>> keep your morale up. Participate in as many programs as possible, it
will
>> help the time pass quicker.
>
>Ah, now it comes more clear to me what your're saying: a sales pitch...
>So, you're trying to promote your "services" even there where normal
>salesmen are usually restricted. Tough cow-chip cookie you're selling...
>because there not very many people are buying it.
>
>> * Make some friends, but choose those friends wisely. Keep away from
>> the "gangs" that may try to recruit you.
>
>..[snip]...more of the priest-made up crap has been carefully removed...
>
>
As usual, Demigod, your posts are off point, innacurate, and maent to
inflame. My advice comes from having been an inmate, and now dealing with
prison life every day as a prison minister -- wht did you say your
qualifications were ?
B. Allen
Anonymous wrote:
>
> "B. Allen" <dig...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> > Even if you get into a "tough" prison, what would tough guys
> >want with a 38 year old man when there are so many younger guys around.
> >
>
>
> Rape is a crime of violence and intimidation. If a "tough" inmate wanted
> a weaker inmate to degrade and enslave, what bearing does age have?
>
> We've all seen the newspaper stories of the rapist who robs and rapes a
> 68 year old grandmother. Why do you suppose he'd want to do that when
> there are so many younger women around?
I'm out of my league here. I am not an authority on rape and my only purpose in replying to the man who was
concerned about going to prison was to relate my experience in a medium security prison in California. At that
prison (according to staff and inmates) there were no rapes.
I cannot comment competantly on anything other than my own experience.
Tell me about your experience with rape in prison.
MKost1730
>Any person who enters prison for the first time will be a victim of
>intimidation, rape, or abuse until they have established themselves as
one to
>
>be reckoned with. You are giving this person foolish advice!
>
>
>Subject: Re: I am going to prison
>From: "Linda C." <li...@bare-wisdom.org>
>Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:07:21 -0700
The man in question is going to serve a 4-12 sentence in NY. Having
spent 4 years in the NYS Prison System, I can promise you that with that
sentence and background, he will be classified as a minimum or medium
security risk. That means he will serve his time in a mediumA or B
facility. Real prison rape does not happen there. The most I have ever
seen has been crude or aggressive advances, and 95% they brought that upon
themselves. He should have no problem with sexual assaults.(but all bets
are off if he ends up in Clinton or Attica!)
RevJimS
In article <33E423...@ix.netcom.com>, "B. Allen"
<dig...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>I'm out of my league here. I am not an authority on rape and my only
purpose
>in replying to the man who was
>concerned about going to prison was to relate my experience in a medium
>security prison in California. At that
>prison (according to staff and inmates) there were no rapes.
>
>I cannot comment competantly on anything other than my own experience.
>
>Tell me about your experience with rape in prison.
>
>
I recently counseled an inmate who, within his first 24 hours in prison
was raped 3 times, 2 of which the COs stood there and laughed. This is
not uncommon in Ohio prisons. I cannot speak authoritively for other
states, but I think it is safe to assume that this is a problem in most
prisons.
ha...@hotmail.com
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> From: jah...@prairienet.org (John Hilty)
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> Subject: Re: I am going to prison
> Date: 4 Aug 1997 01:40:17 GMT
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>
> In a previous article, hhh...@aol.com (HHHorus) says:
>
> >Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
> >the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
> >white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
> >sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
> >disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.
> >
> >I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
> >and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
> >computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
> >
> >Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
> >how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
> >using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
> >facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in advance.
> >
>
> Try to get out of it via alternative sentencing, such as probation,
> restitution, or community service. If that doesn't work,
you may
> wish to make an appointment with a sympathetic psychiatrist
before you are
> sent to prison and request a prescription for a nice
anti-anxiety drug
> like Valium, Ativan, or Xanex, to help smooth out the rough
edges of
> prison life. You'll certainly need it.
>
>
RESPONSE FROM HA...@HOTMAIL.COM:
to the person who is going to prison, I work in a NYS
prison as a civilian staff. The vast majority of horror
stories you have heard are grossly exaggerated. I am not
saying that prisons are a pretty place...they are not. Keep
a low profile and obey the rules. Most tensions in prisons
in NY are related to minority and gang affiliations. find a
focus...something to do while not fearing your present
environment..reading, writing, etc. A previous person
suggested getting medications and naming specific types. My
INFORMED recommendation is to request something, if you need
it. However, there will be a COST to you if you receive
them. You may obtain medications from your civilian doctor,
but they may not be supplied by a state psychiatrist.
Civilian prescriptions stop at the front door! A positive
attitude, not fear or medications will be your friend for the
duration. I speak with authority as I work for forensic
mental health in the NY system.
ha...@hotmail.com
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> Subject: Re: I am going to prison
> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 22:46:54
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Let me add that your civilian doctors' diagnoses of bi-polar
disorder is impossible to diagnosis accurately under the
present circumstance of stress and turmoil. If you have
not been treated for a few years with this ailment, it is not
likely to be invalid. Dozens of men come into the NY system
with that inaccurate diagnosis. Additionally, if the
diagnosis were accurate, it would not have an impact on your
sentence or the amount of time you must serve. Those who are
seriously and dysfunctionally mentally ill must serve their
time.... eg. Son of Sam/Sam Berkowitz.
John Hilty
cn
RevJimS <rev...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I recently counseled an inmate who, within his first 24 hours in prison
> was raped 3 times, 2 of which the COs stood there and laughed. This is
> not uncommon in Ohio prisons. I cannot speak authoritively for other
> states, but I think it is safe to assume that this is a problem in most
> prisons.
Was there any proof (medical, etc.) or just the inmates word?
ha...@hotmail.com
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HAT45 responds: Assuming the details of Rev Jim's post,
this is quite an EXTREEM occurance. If Rev Jim were truly a
reverend, he would avoid using sweeping generalizations
suggesting that this is typical behavior. I believe that
more facts or details are needed.
cn
<ha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > RevJimS <rev...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I recently counseled an inmate who, within his first 24
> hours in prison
> > > was raped 3 times, 2 of which the COs stood there and
> laughed. This is
> > > not uncommon in Ohio prisons. I cannot speak
> authoritively for other
> > > states, but I think it is safe to assume that this is a
> problem in most
> > > prisons.
> >
> > Was there any proof (medical, etc.) or just the inmates
> word?
>
> HAT45 responds: Assuming the details of Rev Jim's post,
> this is quite an EXTREEM occurance. If Rev Jim were truly a
> reverend, he would avoid using sweeping generalizations
> suggesting that this is typical behavior. I believe that
> more facts or details are needed.
Comes from being an ex-inmate, I think. You'll find that he normally
generalizes and exaggerates his posts.
RevJimS
In article <19970804010715135142@[208.18.161.131]>, c...@cn.com (cn) writes:
>
>Was there any proof (medical, etc.) or just the inmates word?
>
>
Yes, there was rather graphic proof when he wasd taken to a local hospital
and treated. I've seen the medical reports and some of the investigation
files -- the COs are being investigated along with the rapists.
RevJimS
In article <NEWTNews.870691...@default.stny.lrun.com>,
ha...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>HAT45 responds: Assuming the details of Rev Jim's post,
>this is quite an EXTREEM occurance. If Rev Jim were truly a
>reverend, he would avoid using sweeping generalizations
>suggesting that this is typical behavior. I believe that
>more facts or details are needed.
>
>
I do not understand. What does being "truly a Reverand" have to do with
offering facts. I have stated before that my experience is with Ohio
state prisons, and 1 federal prison. I have also stated that problems
like rape in prison are usually assumed to be endemic across the country,
and I have not seen much proof otherwise. My statement is supported by
Prison Life Magazine and the Dept of Justice reports.
RevJimS
In article <19970804072557103087@[208.18.161.131]>, c...@cn.com (cn) writes:
>Comes from being an ex-inmate, I think. You'll find that he normally
>generalizes and exaggerates his posts.
>
Oh, puhleese. Yes, I'm an ex-inmate, and I'm also a prison chaplain in
several state prisons. As to exagerating, I have been told by several
readers of this NG that I am one of the few that "tells it like it is."
As usual, CN, your post is only meant to inflame. I've told you before, i
will not be baited into a flame war.
Check the 'net for the Plain Dealer, (Ohio's largest newspaper), issue of
8/2/97 and 8/3/97, you will find a series of articles detailing problems
in Ohio's state prisons.
Scott0795
>
>> RevJimS <rev...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I recently counseled an inmate who, within his first 24
>hours in prison
>> > was raped 3 times, 2 of which the COs stood there and
>laughed. This is
>> > not uncommon in Ohio prisons. I cannot speak
>authoritively for other
>> > states, but I think it is safe to assume that this is a
>problem in most
>> > prisons.
>>
>word?
>
>this is quite an EXTREEM occurance. If Rev Jim were truly a
>reverend, he would avoid using sweeping generalizations
>suggesting that this is typical behavior. I believe that
>more facts or details are needed.
Based on my experience as a non-custodial employee in a mid-western state
prison, Rev. Jim's descriptions and explanations are very much on target.
And I am not, nor have ever been, an inmate or convicted person ( three
speeding tickets in my life...) One of the toughest situations I have
ever had to deal with was when a new young (white) inmate came into my
office and didn't want to leave, because he was getting repeatedly gang
raped. His extremely anxiety was contagious and couldn't not have been
put-on. He had been put in a cell with a known predatory inmate. He was
an educated man with the ability to do legal work. I think the philosophy
was that if he was on his knees and elbows, he wouldn't be able to do much
writing.
cn
RevJimS <rev...@aol.com> wrote:
> As usual, Demigod, your posts are off point, innacurate, and maent to
> inflame. My advice comes from having been an inmate, and now dealing with
> prison life every day as a prison minister -- wht did you say your
> qualifications were ?
He doesn't need qualifications for he is THE DEMIGOD!
Don't believe me, well just ask him.
John Hilty
In a previous article, ha...@hotmail.com () says:
>
>RESPONSE FROM HA...@HOTMAIL.COM:
>to the person who is going to prison, I work in a NYS
>prison as a civilian staff. The vast majority of horror
>stories you have heard are grossly exaggerated. I am not
>saying that prisons are a pretty place...they are not. Keep
>a low profile and obey the rules. Most tensions in prisons
>in NY are related to minority and gang affiliations. find a
>focus...something to do while not fearing your present
>environment..reading, writing, etc. A previous person
>suggested getting medications and naming specific types. My
>INFORMED recommendation is to request something, if you need
>it. However, there will be a COST to you if you receive
>them. You may obtain medications from your civilian doctor,
>but they may not be supplied by a state psychiatrist.
>Civilian prescriptions stop at the front door! A positive
>attitude, not fear or medications will be your friend for the
>duration. I speak with authority as I work for forensic
>mental health in the NY system.
>
>
Civilian prescriptions don't necessarily cost anything (or very little)
if you have insurance coverage. If drug prescriptions in prison cost
$$$, this is yet another indictment of the prison system in the United
States. Furthermore, the withdrawal symptoms of certain medications,
should they be "stopped at the door," can be lethal -- including cardiac
arrest and seizures!
RevJimS
In article <5s5ka1$q6l$1...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, jah...@prairienet.org (John
Hilty) writes:
>Civilian prescriptions don't necessarily cost anything (or very little)
>if you have insurance coverage. If drug prescriptions in prison cost
>$$$, this is yet another indictment of the prison system in the United
>States. Furthermore, the withdrawal symptoms of certain medications,
>should they be "stopped at the door," can be lethal -- including cardiac
>arrest and seizures!
Very true, and I can personally verify this. For two years before I went
to prison, I was on hgih (real high, like 300 mg/day) doses of morphine to
deal with the pain from cancer. When I reported to the prison hospital
(where I did my whole stay), I was told I could not have it anymore, and
for the entire time there I received not a single pill for pain. What I
did receive was three weeks of horrible withdrawal, seizures, roller
coaster blood pressure, and some rather nasty stuff, all of which resulted
in a major heart attack near the end of the third week. Such wonderful,
qualified staff...
Let's hear it for prison policies ! If the BOP cannot reduce population
through paroles, they can always do it by killing the inmates !
` D E M I G O D
c...@cn.com (cn) writes:
> RevJimS <rev...@aol.com> wrote:
> > My advice comes from having been an inmate, and now dealing with
> > prison life every day as a prison minister -- wht did you say your
> > qualifications were ?
>
>
> He doesn't need qualifications for he is THE DEMIGOD!
> Don't believe me, well just ask him.
You're right, nibbler. This pervert-priest, 6'5" in a wheel-chair, who
is also a former druag junkie and a cancer patient, is thinking that only
he can say whatever he thinks...
vegas john
In article <19970729210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
hhh...@aol.com (HHHorus) wrote:
>
> Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
> the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
> white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
> sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
> disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.
>
> I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
> and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
> computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
> how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
> using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
> facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in advance.
Alot of people are going disagree with me,but,the first dude who starts
to fuck with you,start beating away at his ass.if he beats your ass,SO
WHAT! make shure he don't come out looking like a rose.it's fight or
flight, you'll feel worse if you into pc.
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vegas john
In article <19970804171...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
That guy shouldn't have been in the same cell with a KNOWN predator.
he should have been in PC in the first place.
Larry Torrey
On Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:24:09 -0600, alan...@hotmail.com said:
>At San Quentin, a prisoner who was legally a methadone addict entered
>on
>a Friday (might have been a Thursday). Methadone is not necessary for
>life. He was scheduled for a medical visit (at which drugs to relieve
>the distress of withdrawal might be presecribed) on Monday (might have
>been Tuesday). Try to imagine what sudden heroin withdrawal is like.
>Sudden methadone withdrawal supposedly is even worse. The new prisoner
>had a cold turkey weekend of suddenly no methadone...
How much time did this inmate spend in jail prior to going to prison,
and did s/he receive methadone at the jail?
Larry
** to reply please remove the "X" from my address **
dvb
They don't have an option as to which cell.
Pat Keenan
does anybody out there have any sympathy for druggies going to jail and
going into withdrawal? forget it. let them rot in the hole where they
belong. i am fed up with these assholes doing their drugs, committing
crimes and then candyassing their way thru their bit. **
>
RevJimS
In article <5sauf0$jjg$1...@straylight.axionet.com>, ` D E M I G O D
<dem...@axionet.com> writes:
>
>You're right, nibbler. This pervert-priest, 6'5" in a wheel-chair, who
>is also a former druag junkie and a cancer patient, is thinking that only
>he can say whatever he thinks...
>
>
Once again, you prove my point about your lack of experience or knowledge.
jon...@usaor.net
Well Said Pat. Tell it how it is. Hay Bubba, we will send you a tube
of KY. If you can`t fight, you`re going to f_ _ _. It`s the law of the
joint.
jonlaw
Chic Diamond
The Rev, again, is correct. New Mexico used
to throw the "raped inmate" into a hospital
cell , charging him with soliciting sex, and the
other inmate into lock-up; or segregation.
Years of this behavior resulted in the l980
prison riot. The administration just stood by
when inmates used blowtorches on others
..Hate was mighty deep...
ROBKABOB 1
>> HHHorus <hhh...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Looks like I am definately going to prison.
>> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
then dennis wrote:>Take your vasoline, you will need it. Don t do the
crime if you can t
>do the time. It doesn t really matter, 38 - 18 - 28 - 58, your ass is
>mine. Cum and get it. That old jail house saying is, fight or fuck.
>Better learn to fight boy.
>Tell it how it really is, don t bull shit guy.
unfortunately, dennis is telling it like is. not always like that, but it
is happening a lot of the time. i don't know how many times i've seen it
(not SEEN it, luckily, but dealt with it). somebody gives one guy head,
then he better give to someone else, or fight. especially if you are
"pretty boy" (don't know how else to explain it). best bet, keep your
mouth shut, and watch who you hang with. don't get involved with people
too easily, because it's hard to back off once you've become "homies". if
someone wants you to give it up, stand up for yourself, or give it up. if
you fight, you'll probably have to fight only one time, and others will
respect that. it is sad, but true. don't let people tell you different, i
see it happen all the time, fights about that usually result in a couple
black eyes, and it's over (from what i've dealt with). tell on someone,
disrespect a heavy hitter (or shot caller), or act just plain stupid, and
that is a different story.
Cella...@msn.com
In article <19970809005...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
rev...@aol.com (RevJimS) wrote:
>
> In article <5sauf0$jjg$1...@straylight.axionet.com>, ` D E M I G O D
> <dem...@axionet.com> writes:
>
> >
> >You're right, nibbler. This pervert-priest, 6'5" in a wheel-chair, who
> >is also a former druag junkie and a cancer patient, is thinking that only
> >he can say whatever he thinks...
> >
> >
>
> Once again, you prove my point about your lack of experience or knowledge.
>
Well, I've read all 38 messages for this particular thread, and what
surprises me, is the fact that it seems that everyone is so scared to see
the truth about prisons, they are attacking the back ground and morality
of Rev Jim, rather than address what he is saying directly. I myself
have been in prison, I was 17 when I went in, I was 25 when I got out.
In that time, I saw rape, theft, violence, all that stuff by both inmates
and C/O's. I was lucky, there was a guy there that taught me the ropes,
that and the fact that I was in P/C for the 1st year, got me settled in
for the rest of my tenure as an inmate. Oh for those of you thinking I
went to a camp, I went to Washington State Penitentary (aka Walla
Walla)for the first 5&1/2 years before going to camp. Overall, I was a
herment, I did my own program, which means I did what I could do within
the boundaries of the system, kept my nose out of other peoples business,
kept in contact with family and with a few friends. From what I can see
of Rev Jim's statements, he knows what he is talking about. From what I
can see from the Gentelmen who are using the same tactics of the Clinton
adminstration to discredit an enemy, I would say they have no idea of
what the reality of a prison system is.
As for the gentelman with the impending sentence in prison comming up, if
by some chance they send you to the big house, be prepared to be tested,
once or twice. Don't back down, if you have to fight do so, but if you
just stand up for yourself, you won't really have to worry about it.
after you are tested, you will usually be left alone to do as you will.
What I did, was spend a lot of time in the library, got a bunch of
magazines on Computers and business, and studied everything under the sun
to keep myself busy (unfortunely, I didn't really concentrate on spelling
as you can see). If you don't screw with anyone, usually they won't go
out of their way to screw with you. That is the best I can offer. Oh,
one other thing, there is a poem by lovelace, find it: stone walls do not
a prison make, nor iron bars a cage..... It is your mind that defines
prison, not the walls that hold your body.
RevJimS
In article <5svs3e$dnm$1...@straylight.axionet.com>, ` D E M I G O D
<dem...@axionet.com> writes:
>And if morality of a person to have a voce while ohters being deprived of
>it, then one is actually "asking for attack" on this type of "morality"...
>
>It's seems like pastor lacks not only morality, but also brains...
Now, demi, why do you spend som much time attacking people ? Are you
still mad because I asked you for your experience with the prison system,
and you couldn't provide any ?
rasputin
"Pat Keenan" <pok...@netroute.net> wrote:
>does anybody out there have any sympathy for druggies going to jail and
>going into withdrawal? forget it. let them rot in the hole where they
>belong. i am fed up with these assholes doing their drugs, committing
>crimes and then candyassing their way thru their bit. **
>>
Think thats bad, I once had to take a female prisoner(pregnet!) in for
her methodone.
The Mad Monk says
"This ain't no party
This ain't no disco
This ain't no fooling around"
Talking Heads
rasputin
vegas john <unlv...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <19970729210...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
> hhh...@aol.com (HHHorus) wrote:
>>
>> Looks like I am definately going to prison. I live in New York State and
>> the DA is insisting on a 4-12 year sentence. It is for a first time,
>> white collar offense. Two independant psychiatrists have written
>> sympathetic reports and diagnosed me with manic depression (bipolar
>> disorder). I have taken full responsibility for my actions.
>>
>> I have never been on the wrong side of the law before. I am 38 years old
>> and of Asian Indian origin. I am educated and have good skills in
>> computers and book-keeping/accounting. I am shit scared.
>>
>> Any advice will be greatly appreciated. What to expect, how to behave,
>> how to volunteer my time to do good in prison by working or teaching and
>> using my skills, how will the psych reports affect my placement in a
>> facility. Any advice and help will be of great value. Thanks in advance.
>
> Alot of people are going disagree with me,but,the first dude who starts
>to fuck with you,start beating away at his ass.if he beats your ass,SO
>WHAT! make shure he don't come out looking like a rose.it's fight or
>flight, you'll feel worse if you into pc.
>
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet
Yep, he is right. Before taking up my present job, I had several
friends who did time in NYS. Two are still there for killing a
undercover cop. They said that no matter what, if you want respect,
you better be ready to fight. Usually, the first fight will show
everyone that you won't take any shit(even if you get your ass
kicked), and everyone will back off of you.
james noonan
dear johnlaw if the reason someone becomes a criminal is because of
drugs and the prison system has the ability to monitor him/her 24 hours
a day and therefore eventually break him of the habit which perhaps led
to his criminal activity in the first place, shouldn't it try?...if the
prisoner we return to the streets has no desire for drugs (and he will
be returned to the streets) won't society be a safer place...a lot of
people can handle poverty and a lot of people can get off drugs or never
try them in the first place, but most people can't handle both
together...
james noonan
dear pokotat(sp),,,altho i know there's not much done in the way of
rehabilitation going on in prison at least in the area of drug addiction
you would think there would be something they could do...theorectically
you have an addict/user in a controlled environment where their access
to drugs can be limited and therefore most effective...one of the
reasons drug rehabilitation does not work on the outside is because the
user can't be monitored 24 hours a day...
Pat Keenan
again, I have no sympathy for this individual whether in jail or in a motel
room. Nobody held a gun to his/her head saying," go ahead, it will make you
feel better." Let him suffer and dont feel sorry because it is the bleeding
hearts out there that are causing your country and mine to go down the
tubes. Let 'em all die and if I'm lucky I'll get to go to the inquest.
james noonan <Rou...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<5t7gmh$j1m$1...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...
Brenda Twyford
In most prisons drugs are readily available just like on the outside.
The bottom line is still a person needs to choose not to do drugs. I
think it is a sorry day when no drug rehabilitation or anger management
education is available to assist prisoners who really want to improve. I
think that a prisoner that comes out of prison today with his head
screwed on straight is defying all odds.
james noonan wrote:
>
> dear pokotat(sp),,,altho i know there's not much done in the way of