Trying to locate prisoner Maninder Pal Singh Kohli
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
emails to/from the Prisoner Location Service
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original email
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Remand prisoner location request, 17 April
Remand prisoner, remanded to HMP Winchester from Southampton magistrates ,
30th July 2007 but no longer there.
prisoner's name
Maninder Pal Singh Kohli, born 1969
reason for request
I've followed his situation around the Indian courts and am concerned about
the racist and totally biased slant portrayed in the UK press, not a
relative or friend, just a concerned member of the public.
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same day reply from PLS
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I acknowledge the receipt of your enquiry.
In accordance with the 1998 Data Protection Act, if the person you are
trying to locate is a serving prisoner (convicted or remanded) we can
not disclose any information without their consent.
A copy of you enquiry will be forwarded to them for their decision.
Please note that this may take 3-4 weeks to obtain.
A prisoner is given the means to contact their friends and relatives
when they enter the prison system, but the onus is upon them to
initiate/maintain contact.
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follow up , 15 May
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Thank you for your enquiry dated 17/4/08 about M P S Kohli.
I regret that the Department is unable to assist you.
I should explain that my ability to answer such enquiries is subject to
the requirements of the Data Protection Act 1998 and the Department
policy of not providing such information without an inmate's consent.
I am not permitted because of the 1998 Act to confirm whether or not M P
S Kohli is or has been in prison custody.
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ps
What they aren't telling you about DNA profiles
and what Special Branch don't want you to know.
http://www.nutteing.chat.ru/dnapr.htm
or nutteingd in a search engine.
Valid email nutteing@fastmail.....fm (remove 4 of the 5 dots)
Ignore any other apparent em address used to post this message -
it is defunct due to spam.
Tiddy Ogg
address in post script )" <nutt...@quickfindit.com> wrote:
>Can anyone give a creditworthy interpretation of this idiotic sequence of 3
>emails to/from the Prisoner Location Service
Casting your conspiracy theories aside for the moment, it could simply
be that he doesn't want to hear from you, as he doesn't know you, and
could be any sort of nutter.
Did they have to tell him your reasons for wanting to communicate?
On the other hand, that Data Protection Act is a cover for just about
anything they don't want you to know.
Tiddy Ogg.
http://www.tiddyogg.co.uk
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
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I'm a big boy and can take rejection,
no reason for withholding that.
Email reply from named person styling
themselves "PLS Team Leader".
I see a call on my MP, after having
researched the subject of habeas corpus.
Letter to local rag will likely be a
waste of time.
habshi
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
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> Try hell , where this murderer of a young girl belongs
I hope you have communicated your compelling
evidence to the CPS as they could not present
anything of substance to the Indian courts.
Sampling for a DNA profile on 3 separate occassions
trying to get a match to the crime-scene
is just evidence of exclusion.
A conspiracy theory for this (ie scenario
that fits the situation but is so highly
unlikely as to be prosposterous) would
be the authorities have quietly released
Kohli knowing that any trial would
collapse at any pre-trial hearing.
He's been in prison for just shy of 4 years now .
Background
14 March 2003 murder of Hannah Foster
19 March release to the media police searching for a couple of Asian lads
as suspect harasser/murderer, - later turned themselves in and were
excluded..
26 March Crimewatch program about the murder.
An "aggrieved" in a family dispute
over an Asian type within-the-family loan that went sour
takes the opportunity
to stitch-up their Asian relative by anonymously informing Crimewatch.
Knowing that their relative had left the country a few days after
the murder and that he lived fairly local to the abduction site.
Then the rest takes a momentum of its own
English language version of Indian newspaper report 10 April 2003 so
accessible to Hants police as easily as myself.
Quote
"In fact, Maninderpal has been attached to his mother who in December
last year received a serious head injury after an accident with a bus.
Since then she has been in coma. He wanted to come and settle down
in India. That is why he sold his flat in England. He has some
problems with his in-laws," says Mr I- holding that Maninderpal had
gone to England in 1994 on marriage basis.
...
End Quote
Easy for police to confirm whether Maninder had sold his flat and enquire
at Home Office/Foreign Office about passport problems. Both being
reasons for the timing of Maninder's pre-planned journey to India.
Now police are, in all probability, searching for a totally innocent bod
and investigation for the real killer is put on the back-burner
and any possible leads gone cold. On 17 Sept 2004 part of the
pathologist's report was unattributedly put in the public domain.
Now confirmed genuine because the salient points have been admitted into
the Indian legal system.
"autopsy report of the Royal Hampshire County Hospital,
March 17, 2003 " which is not obvious
as she was resident in Southampton but as body found just inside Eastleigh
boundary
it would come under Winchester, not Southampton jurisdiction. Quotations
"there was no evidence of sexual assault. ",
" report rules out rape, it does record evidence suggesting
sexual intercourse ".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2860061.stm
Tuesday, 18 March, 2003, 10:14 GMT
...
A post-mortem examination carried out on Monday revealed that Hannah died of
strangulation.
The Home Office pathologist confirmed there was no evidence of sexual
assault. ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2858841.stm
Tuesday, 18 March, 2003, 06:30 GMT
... She was found fully clothed and the Home Office pathologist has now
confirmed there was no evidence of sexual assault.
The post-mortem examination revealed that Hannah died of "compression to the
neck". ...
It later emerged in India that although fully clothed when found,
her killer friend had replaced her clothing inside-out after consensual sex
and after strangling her.
No evidence of a second pathologist report, so where did all this
rape stuff come fropm if not to try and bolster the
stranger killing ie implicate Kohli.
Highly suggestive that the murderer new the victim and
that he maybe lived in Portsmouth / Southsea area. Killer and victim
known to one another would explain why no one saw/heard the so-called
abduction
from a totally residential run of streets at a time of evening when
there could well have been people on the roads. Also
from http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=195082
"New Delhi, August 1, 2006:
Counsel for Kohli C S Bakshi contested the prosecution and the Government of
India's argument citing transcripts from a call that was allegedly made from
Kohli's vehicle. Foster was heard giving her address to Kohli, which would
not have been possible if she had been abducted, said Bakshi." If
the murderer lived in
Southampton then dumping the body in the first bit of unlit road outside the
city and then returning home, makes sense. But the murderer continued
on to Portsmouth / Southsea where her purse and phone were found. Someone
who was so spooked the next day that he placed in a bottle bank instead of
disposing of less traceably.
Too late now of course, but I would have consulted a wine expert. To
determine from rarity of bottles found closely associated with the purse,
then public appeal to locate which bin. Then door-to-door enquiries in that
area for anyone
who may have known the Portswood teenager. There is no evidence
to show HF and Kohli knew one another , of course a 17
yearold girl could have consensual sex with a 37 yearold Sikh
but a bit unlikely.
These character's had access to Kohli's Hazelwood sandwich delivery van
and personal items from where he'd been living for years.
So they obviously did not have a DNA match with the 'rape'
or they would not have had to go to the outragious extent
of extracting DNA profiles from his sons aged 4 and 6 and wife .
Going indirectly like this,even with 3 close relatives, may only likely to
get 8 out
of the 20 alleles of a direct profile , nowhere enough for legal
use. IMHO it is patently obvious they cannot
have anywhere near a DNA match. In fact I would suggest
that as their direct DNA profile was not matching up
there may be exclusionary alleles in his profile to
go to the extent of trying to get an infered and only ever
partial profile from bloodline relatives.
The charge against Kohli has had to be changed to
just murder as rape is now excluded, not reported in the UK press of course.
His ex wife , Kaur, has retracted what, according to Hants police,
she had said in police interview, is to go out to India to
testify to the following.
http://www.indlawnews.com/8ACB76553753A04CA453917DFCF80E2E
...
"Kaur, who is based in the UK, claimed she had made statements implicating
her husband last year owing to 'coercion and atmosphere of fear' created by
the British police.
"My depositions dated November 2, 2004 in the UK was not authored by me and
I was simply asked to affix my signature even without knowing its contents
by using sheer force and coercion," Kaur said in an affidavit filed before
the ACMM.
Kaur had denied the part of the statement where she gave an impression that
her husband was nervous when he came home on the night of March 14, 2003
(the day of the murder) of Hannah.
End Quote
As far as I can see, the only evidence against this bloke banged up in an
Indian jail , is that he'd lived half a mile away from where
the victim had lived.
CPS / Dirty tricks department
http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=291773&sid=REG
Hannah Foster murder: Kohli`s wife fails to appear in court
New Delhi, Apr 29: Shalinder Kaur, the UK-based wife of Maninder Singh Pal
Kohli, accused in the Hannah Foster murder case, today failed to appear
before a Delhi Court, with the defence stating that she had not received the
tickets to return to India on time, and sought another date for appearance.
Additional Chief Metropolitan Magistrate Kamini Lau will consider the
application moved by the defence on May six, by which time the Union of
India has been directed to file a written reply.
Earlier, the court had fixed April 29 as the "last opportunity" for Kohli to
examine his wife as a witness in his extradition proceedings, in view of a
March 17 order of the Delhi High Court, which granted only one month's time
for the witness to be examined.
Representing Kohli, counsel C S Bakhshi submitted Kaur had specifically
requested the UK for open tickets to India.
However, at about 11 a.m. on April 26, she received air tickets from the
Crown Prosecution Services for a London-Delhi flight which had already left
about an hour earlier that same day, the counsel said.
Meanwhile, counsel for Union of India A K Vali maintained that the tickets
had been sent on time and that appropriate replies to the application would
be filed within a week.
The visa and travel expenses of Kaur, who has been named as a key defence
witness, are being borne by the UK, at whose request the extradition
proceedings have been initiated.
According to Scotland Yard, Kohli allegedly raped and murdered 17-year old
Hannah Foster in London on March 13, 2003, after which he fled to India. He
was arrested in Kalimpong, Sikkim, in July 2004, and is presently lodged in
a Chandigarh jail.
End Quote
And then from The Echo newspaper 03 May 2006
...
" Lawyers for Kohli had asked for his wife to be
flown out to India from Southampton so she
could give evidence on his behalf.
When she failed to turn up Kohli's representatives
claimed in court that Mrs Kaur had failed to
get on the plane because of a mix-up by Crown
Prosecution Service bosses in Hampshire who
had been asked to facilitate the trip.
They said the Crown Prosecution Service had
delivered her flight tickets half an hour after the
plane departed London, bound for India.
Now Kohli's defence counsel, C. S. Bakhshi, is
appealing for a delay in the proceedings while
new arrangements are made for Mrs Kaur to fly
out.
Additional Chief Metropolitan Magistrate
Kamini Lau is considering the application.
Today Hampshire prosecutors disputed the
latest hold-up was their fault.
In a statement to the Daily Echo a CPS
spokeswoman said "At the request of the
Indian High Commission the CPS
arranged and paid for flights for the
defendant;s wife to attend the extradition
proceedings in India.
"The CPS, facilitating the request of
the High Court of India, took the unusual
approach of completing the travel
arrangements for Mrs Kaur who was
appearing at the proceedings for the
defence"
...
End Quotes
So full rein for the dirty tricks brigade of the CPS
to do their business, paying and arranging for someone
to give testimony highly damaging to Hants
CPS and police, no surprise really.
The Echo is still deliberately prejudicing any defense
in the trial of the 'prime suspect' by continually
lying about his fleeing the country and that the
victim was abducted and raped for which there is no
evidence that I am aware of, to state that.
Only evidence that it stemmed from a liaison
with someone she knew, not some middle-aged
Sikh stranger.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1927658.cms
26 Aug, 2006
...
Kohli, through his counsel Charanjit Singh Bakshi, submitted in an affidavit
before additional chief metropolitan magistrate Kamini Lau that he was
unwilling to undergo the DNA tests as the blood samples were taken on two
occasions - firstly at Kalimpong by a British investigating officer and
later by the Delhi Police during the investigations pertaining to the Swiss
diplomat rape case in the city in 2004.
...
Kohli's counsel Bakshi had alleged that the police were reluctant to file
DNA test's result in the court since his samples did not match those from
the crime scene.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/NEWS/India/Foster_case_Documents_allowed_
as_evidence/articleshow/756743.cms
Foster case: Documents allowed as evidence
[ 10 Dec, 2006 0939hrs ISTPTI ]
" NEW DELHI: Furthering Maninder Pal Singh Kohli's possible extradition to
UK
in Hannah Foster rape-cum-murder case, a Delhi court has allowed additional
documents, including pictures taken during the victim's post-mortem, to be
put on record during extradition proceedings.
...
Rejecting defence plea that the photographs of post-mortem examination
should be discarded being "gory, aghast and disrespectful to human body,"
the court also allowed 65 photographs of Foster's dead body.
Earlier, Kohli's counsel Charanjeet Singh Bakshi had opposed the
prosecution's move saying additional documents had been filed to create a
new case against him which was not permissible under the law."
Steve Firth
<nutt...@quickfindit.com> wrote:
> I'm a big boy and can take rejection,
> no reason for withholding that.
There is. The prison service is not permitted to either confirm or deny
that a prisoner is being held to a third party unless the prisoner gives
express consent because this is regarded as personal data. If the prison
service tells you that the prisoner rejected yoru request they are
confirming that the person in question is a prisoner, and they are
breaching the DPA.
It was recently held that a lecturer may not tell the mother of a
student what the student's lecture timetable is because to so is a
breach of the DPA. In this instance do not blame the prison service,
blame a government which introduces legislation without considering the
consequences.
Also in part blame yourself. Had you written a calm, coherent letter to
Mr Kohli explaining your interest without ranting, he may have listened
to you. As it is, he has probably formed the opinion that some nutter
wants to rant at him or even that you may be someone wishing him harm.
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
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You seem to totally miss the point
If I could send a letter to him there
would not be this thread
Where in the email request to the PLS
is the rant or ill-will in
"reason for request
I've followed his situation around the Indian courts and am concerned about
the racist and totally biased slant portrayed in the UK press, not a
relative or friend, just a concerned member of the public."
The fact he is held by the prison service
has been in all the media
eg
archive.thisishampshire.net/2007/7/30/117622.html
The PLS have not said that Kohli rejected my involvement,
again that is the whole point.
Mike
>
> You seem to totally miss the point
>
> If I could send a letter to him there
> would not be this thread
>
You can. c/o Alton Police Station :-)
Don't forget to put a stamped addressed envelope in so that he can send you
a receipt that he has received it :-))
And send it Recorded Delivery
Too easy?
Mike
Steve Firth
<nutt...@quickfindit.com> wrote:
> Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1ih16qs.1szcsia1m01dduN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk...
> > Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
> > <nutt...@quickfindit.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm a big boy and can take rejection,
> > > no reason for withholding that.
> >
> > There is. The prison service is not permitted to either confirm or deny
> > that a prisoner is being held to a third party unless the prisoner gives
> > express consent because this is regarded as personal data. If the prison
> > service tells you that the prisoner rejected yoru request they are
> > confirming that the person in question is a prisoner, and they are
> > breaching the DPA.
> >
> > It was recently held that a lecturer may not tell the mother of a
> > student what the student's lecture timetable is because to so is a
> > breach of the DPA. In this instance do not blame the prison service,
> > blame a government which introduces legislation without considering the
> > consequences.
> >
> > Also in part blame yourself. Had you written a calm, coherent letter to
> > Mr Kohli explaining your interest without ranting, he may have listened
> > to you. As it is, he has probably formed the opinion that some nutter
> > wants to rant at him or even that you may be someone wishing him harm.
>
> You seem to totally miss the point
You must be talking to yourself.
> If I could send a letter to him there
> would not be this thread
If you had sent it to him C/O the prison possibly including a coverign
letter they have a duty to get it to him. They don't have a duty to tell
you that they have done so or what his reponse was.
> Where in the email request to the PLS
> is the rant or ill-will in
I didn't say anything about "ill-will."
> "reason for request
>
> I've followed his situation around the Indian courts and am concerned about
> the racist and totally biased slant portrayed in the UK press, not a
> relative or friend, just a concerned member of the public."
That reads like a rant to me, indeed I'd say it was one step from a
spittle-flecked green-crayon rant.
> The fact he is held by the prison service
> has been in all the media
> eg
> archive.thisishampshire.net/2007/7/30/117622.html
>
> The PLS have not said that Kohli rejected my involvement,
> again that is the whole point.
And I explained why above.
Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )
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I could send such a letter to say Tobermory
police station, with equal justification.
Mike
"Paul Nutteing (valid email address in post script )"
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> 'Mike' <3d&6...@woolies.com> wrote in message
> news:ZPadnWMpS8L...@bt.com...
>>
>> >
>> > You seem to totally miss the point
>> >
>> > If I could send a letter to him there
>> > would not be this thread
>> >
>>
>> You can. c/o Alton Police Station :-)
>>
>> Don't forget to put a stamped addressed envelope in so that he can send
> you
>> a receipt that he has received it :-))
>>
>> And send it Recorded Delivery
>>
>> Too easy?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>
> I could send such a letter to say Tobermory
> police station, with equal justification.
>
mmmmmmmmmm just bloody minded and always right :-(
