The killing of Arizona's Bill Cooper
CSOUPKID
was anti new world order, anti world government, and, anti U.N. And, of
course, he was "pro gun", and "pro militia". I used to listen to his broadasts,
"back in the day" when I gave a fuck. I heard he got shot and killed by a cop,
while allegedly resisting arrest. I saw this guy speak at an anti U.N. rally in
Lansing, Michigan one year. It was during the protest of the raising of the
U.N. flag over the capitol building in Lansing on U.N. day. While he was anti
big government, he was also very anti racist, as a bit of trivia. He used to
speak out against racism, and he had a Chinese wife. I saw her there at the
rally that day, too.
dnarshMAX
On 11/07/2001 at 01:49:25 PM, wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/565142/posts
At 1:00 p.m. mountain time Nov.6th We received a call from Officer Frank
Valenzuela form Az. Dept of Public Safety, This
call came to us as a result of our calling the sheriffs office to confirm
that this incident had happened, he informed us that this
level of entrapment for Mr. Cooper started at 11:40 p.m. mt. time Nov. 5th
2001 by luring Bill Cooper away from his home
which sat on top of a hillside in the community of Edgar ,Az his physical
address was 96 North Clearview Circle , Edgar, Az.
The departments of Edgar and Apache law enforcement were working together.
They claimed that they had gone out to serve
3 felony warrants,pretaining to someone having had a semi-automatic pistol
drawn on them by Bill Cooper. At this time we do
not have that info as to whom that was who filed a complaint. Officers
deliberately caused a ruckus to get this man away from
his home to create this entrapment He went down the hill away from his home
to the automobile to see what the ruckus was, it
was 2 law officers in plain clothes. He spoke to them then got back in his
car to go back up to his house , when out hiding
came a patrol car that blocked his return to his home. He put his hands on
the car window as we assume that is what he was
ordered to do as they approached his car he pulled out to get around the
car . He got out of his and tried to run for his home
,shots were fired he returned fire hitting one officer in the head twice ,
whom is in surgery in St Joe's hospital. The other officer
continued to fire until Cooper was dead. Please keep in mind this report
was given to us by the sheriffs office and here are there
numbers.. 928-333-5580, 1-800-352-1850 This is the man that authored the
book Behold The Pale Horse, he was also
battling the IRS he also was a well known radio talk show host. We here at
MOM have a problem with this report. MOM
William Cooper Shot and Killed after Shooting Deputy by (11/07/2001 at 01:49:25
PM)
Re: William Cooper Shot and Killed after Shooting Deputy by shelly (11/07/2001
at 02:20:11 PM)
Re: William Cooper as he violently resists the 17 local deputies who tried to
arrest him for menacing local man with a pistol [Here is the official version
of the story (from the Arizona Republic's website)] McVeigh a big fan. by
shelly (11/07/2001 at 02:45:15 PM)
Re: William Cooper as he violently resists the 17 local deputies who tried to
arrest him for menacing local man with a pistol McVeigh a big fan. by Tom
(11/07/2001 at 03:29:04 PM)
Re: William Cooper as he violently resists the 17 local deputies who tried to
arrest him for menacing local man with a pistol McVeigh a big fan. by shelly
(11/07/2001 at 03:46:44 PM)
Cooper's writings can be found at http://www.williamcooper.com by Ben Franklin
(11/07/2001 at 05:41:14 PM)
what person, with any brains, would give a shit about cooper's writings, Frank?
by Robert from Burlington VT _ (11/07/2001 at 06:03:12 PM)
'Tis best that individuals's decide for themselves about such things, me
thinks, Robbie by Ben Franklin (11/07/2001 at 07:28:46 PM)
some people's "writings" aren't worth our time to read. by Robert from
Burlington VT _ (11/08/2001 at 01:25:06 PM)
William Cooper?.....sorry Ben, you are lost. by ktmac (11/09/2001 at 08:40:26
AM)
Re: William Cooper as he violently resists the 17 local deputies who tried to
arrest him for menacing local man with a pistol McVeigh a big fan. by Tom
(11/07/2001 at 05:51:06 PM)
Re: William Cooper certainly was dumb (lacking in judgment), by shelly
(11/08/2001 at 12:47:57 AM)
Re: Cardinal virtues lacking in William Cooper and acolyte McVeigh. by shelly
(11/08/2001 at 01:00:25 AM)
Re: William Cooper not a popular guy with the neighbors by shelly (11/07/2001
at 03:54:38 PM)
sad. now this scumbag becomes a 'martyr' in the weak minds of his followers. by
Robert from Burlington VT _ (11/07/2001 at 05:58:27 PM)
Re: William Cooper Shot and Killed after Shooting Deputy by pretty sneaky
(11/07/2001 at 06:45:43 PM)
Re: William Cooper Shot and Killed after Shooting Deputy by pretty sneaky
(11/07/2001 at 06:45:49 PM)
MAX
http://www.wingsofanangel.com
Manifest Destiny (i.e."War" on "blank")
A holistic and "divine" rationale for uniquely cruel and genocidal racism and
social Darwinism, extermination and supplantation, the simple conquest and
resourse transfers.
dnarshMAX
Subject: "Behold The Pale Horse"."Militia" author dead by police
From: mywingso...@aol.comnospam (dnarshMAX)
Date: 11/7/01
>Subject: William Cooper killed by police- Are the rest of us safe?
>
>This is a collection of statements concerning the police killing of
>William Cooper.
>William Cooper is the man that authored the book "Behold The Pale Horse".
>This collection of statements comes from a VARIETY of different prospectives.
>You will find the statement from the police, Associated Press,
>from William Cooper's web page,
>as well as from William Cooper's "defenders".
>
>The truth will prevail, if enough pains are taken to bring it to light.
>Make up your own mind.
>
><http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/nov/06/arwc110601.htm>http://ww
w.sierratimes.com/archive/files/nov/06/arwc110601.htm
>
>Militia leader killed, deputy wounded during attemped arrest
>
><http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11021>http://dis
c.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11021
>
>Associated Press/The Arizona Republic Nov. 06, 2001 12:20:00
>
>EAGAR - A national leader of the militia movement has been killed and an
>Apache County sheriff's deputy wounded in a shootout, authorities said.
>
>William Milton Cooper, 58, of Eager, had hosted a talk show broadcast on
>the Worldwide Christian Radio out of Nashville, which receives it via
>phone from his home in St. Johns. He had millions of listeners
>worldwide, including Timothy McVeigh.
>
>The deputy, whose name was being withheld by authorities, was shot twice
>in the head while trying to arrest Cooper, a state Department of Public
>afety spokesman said today. Cooper was killed by another officer.
>
>Several deputies were attempting to arrest Cooper, who was armed with a
>handgun, said Officer Steve Volden, a spokesman for the DPS, which was
>investigating the shooting.
>
>He said details of the shooting would be released later today.
>
>The deputy was in critical condition at a Phoenix hospital early today,
>Volden said.
>
>Cooper was one of the most widely known prophets of the "patriot
>movement," railing at the federal government and talking of doomsday
>omens in his radio broadcast.
>
>McVeigh, who was executed in May for the bombing of the federal building
>in Oklahoma City, listened to Cooper's broadcasts for inspiration,
>according to testimony by James Nichols, brother of Oklahoma
>bombing co-defendant Terry Nichols during a 1996 pretrial hearing.
>
>Like some other patriot leaders, Cooper refused to get a driver's
>license or pay federal income taxes, saying he is willing to risk
>getting ticketed and has found a legal way to avoid the taxes.
>
>The patriot movement grew during the 1990s, fed by a series of news
>events - the siege of Randy Weaver in Idaho, the raid on the Branch
>Davidians near Waco, Texas and the signing of gun-control laws
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>William Cooper web page: Hour of the Time
>"There is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native
>language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."
>-- Jesus : Book of John, Chapter 8 Verse 44
>
><http://www.williamcooper.com/>http://www.williamcooper.com/
>
>http://www.williamcooper.com/images/hd.jpg
>
>"WE ARE APT TO SHUT OUR EYES AGAINST A PAINFUL TRUTH...
>FOR MY PART, I AM WILLING TO KNOW THE WHOLE TRUTH;
>TO KNOW THE WORST; AND TO PROVIDE FOR IT."
>---- Patrick Henry
>
>Friends of Liberty, International
><http://www.friendsofliberty.com>http://www.friendsofliberty.com
>
>All replies or comments should be sent to
><mailto:feed...@friendsofliberty.com>feed...@friendsofliberty.com
>======
>
>William Cooper Specifics from Sheriff's Department
>November 6, 2001 - FLI Newswire
><http://www.friendsofliberty.com/flinewswire/11/newswire110601.shtml>http
://www.friendsofliberty.com/flinewswire/11/newswire110601.shtml
>
>
> OFFICE OF THE SHERIFF<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
> "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
>
>Brian R. Hounshell, Sheriff
>
><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns =
>"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" />Apache County, Arizona
>
> November 6, 2001
>
>On Nov 5, 2001 at 11:40 pm, Apache County Sheriff's deputies attempted to
>serve an arrest warrant on a known felon, William Milton Cooper, (58 years
>of age) at his residence located at 96 North Clearview Circle in Eagar AZ.
>Cooper was considered armed and dangerous. During the execution of this
>warrant, Cooper was fatally shot by deputies after he shot and struck a
>sheriff's deputy.
>
>Members of the Apache County Sheriff's Office deployed several deputies in
>the area adjacent to Cooper's home in an attempt to draw him from his
>residence to serve an arrest warrant. After leaving his residence in his
>vehicle, Cooper confronted plainclothes deputies a short distance away. As
>Cooper drove back to his residence, Sheriff's deputies attempted to stop
>him using a fully marked patrol vehicle to block the roadway.
>
>Cooper refused to stop or comply with verbal orders issued by
>deputies. Cooper drove around the patrol vehicle off the roadway and
>attempted to run over a sergeant before heading back to his
>residence. Cooper was followed a short distance to the front of his
>residence where he was again confronted by uniformed deputies. After
>refusing once again to comply with orders from deputies, Cooper exited his
>vehicle and ran toward his house, firing shots from a handgun towards
>deputies. Deputy Robert Marinez of the Apache County Sheriff's Office was
>struck in the head by at least one round. Deputies returned fire striking
>and fatally wounding Cooper.
>
>Deputy Marinez was transported by ground ambulance to the White Mountain
>Regional Medical Center and then flown to a Trauma Unit in Phoenix. Deputy
>Marinez was last reported to be in critical condition.
>
> Deputy Marinez has served as a law enforcement officer for 4 years and
> was serving as a tactical officer at the time of the shooting. His
> experience also includes patrol and criminal investigation. Deputy
> Marinez is 40 years old and has served as a United States Marine during
> Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm. Deputy Marinez is married with
> three children.
>
> Cooper threatened to kill law enforcement personnel and made those
> threats known through the use of his web site, radio station and personal
> messages. Cooper has a history of harassing and threatening local
> residents with deadly force. He recently was charged with aggravated
> assault and endangerment. Cooper was also wanted by the United States
> Marshall's Office for unrelated felony charges.
>
> Following the shooting, the scene was secured by officers from the Eagar
> Police Department and Apache County Sheriff's Deputies. The Arizona
> Department of Public Safety's Special Investigations Unit is conducting a
> criminal investigation into the shooting at the request of the Eagar
> Police Department and the Apache County Sheriff's Office. DPS Special
> Operations Units were called to the scene to clear the residence of any
> potential hazards that may exist.
>
> For further information contact:
>
>Sheriff Brian Hounshell, Apache County Sheriff's Office (928) or (520)
>337-4321
>
>Chief Scott Garms, Eagar Police Department (928) or (520) 333-4127
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------
>
> This from Cooper's
> website: <http://williamcooper.com/>http://williamcooper.com/
>
>Updated: Tuesday, November 6th, 2001, 2:20 PM
>4ab007.jpg
>In
>
>Loving
>
>Memory
>4ab039.jpg
>
>With a deep sense of loss and mourning we announce the passing of William
>Cooper.
>
>It appears at this time to be totally unrelated to the disputes he had
>with the federal government. All we know at this time is that he was shot
>and killed by an Apache County Sheriff around 12:15 AM this morning while
>serving of an arrest warrant on a local issue. A sheriff was also wounded.
>
>Remain Calm! This is in no way a cause for action, but all patriots should
>be on high alert at this time.
>
>Do NOT listen to or spread undocumented and unconfirmed RUMORS! If it is
>not here it is not confirmed as fact. Updates will be posted here as they
>become available.
>
>We MUST all remember his love of freedom, America, the Constitution and
>the values it is founded on.
>
>4ab067.jpg
>
>Individuals and Organizations Supporting Communist Party
>
>Taken verbatim from the website of the Communist Party USA
>
><http://www.williamcooper.com/commy.htm>http://www.williamcooper.com/commy.htm
>
>From: M.O.M. <<mailto:nox...@blackfoot.net>nox...@blackfoot.net>
>Tuesday, November 06, 2001 2:31 PM
>
>At 1:00 p.m. mountain time Nov.6th We received a call from Officer Frank
>Valenzuela from Az. Dept of Public Safety, This call came to us as a
>result of our calling the sheriffs office to confirm that this incident
>had happened, he informed us that this level of entrapment for Mr.
>Cooper started at 11:40 p.m. mt. time Nov. 5th 2001 by luring Bill
>Cooper away from his home which sat on top of a hillside in the
>community of Edgar ,Az his physical address was 96 North Clearview
>Circle , Edgar, Az. The departments of Edgar and Apache law enforcement
>were working together. They claimed that they had gone out to serve 3
>felony warrants, pertaining to someone having had a semi-automatic pistol
>drawn on them by Bill Cooper. At this time we do not have that info as
>to whom that was who filed a complaint. Officers deliberately caused a
>ruckus to get this man away from his home to create this entrapment He
>went down the hill away from his home to the automobile to see what the
>ruckus was, it was 2 law officers in plain clothes. He spoke to them
>then got back in his car to go back up to his house, when out from hiding
>came a patrol car that blocked his return to his home. He put his hands
>on the car window as we assume that is what he was ordered to do as they
>approached his car he pulled out to get around the car. He got out of
>his and tried to run for his home, shots were fired he returned fire
>hitting one officer in the head twice, whom is in surgery in St Joe's
>hospital. The other officer continued to fire until Cooper was dead.
>Please keep in mind this report was given to us by the sheriffs office
>and here are their numbers.. 928-333-5580, 1-800-352-1850 This is the
>man that authored the book Behold The Pale Horse, he was also battling
>the IRS, he also was a well known radio talk show host. We here at MOM
>have a problem with this report. MOM
>
>Here is a report from Michelle Marie Moore:
>
> From:
>
<mailto:owner-igni...@theveryfew.net>owner-igni...@theveryfew.net
>Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2001 7:12 PM
>
> Subject: I-P: Cooper's death UNRELATED to warrants
>
>Dear Folks:
>
>It will be extremely easy for people to get worked up about this
>situation. But please understand that Bill Cooper's death was UNRELATED
>to any of the federal warrants pending for his arrest.
>
>His own website, run by his trusted webmaster:
>
> <http://williamcooper.com>http://williamcooper.com
>
> says as much. Here is the text of the current announcement:
>
> - - - - - - - - - - -
>Updated: Tuesday, November 6th, 2001, 2:20 PM
>
>In Loving Memory
>
>With a deep sense of loss and mourning we announce the passing of William
>Cooper.
>
>It appears at this time to be totally unrelated to the disputes he had
>with the federal government. All we know at this time is that he was shot
>and killed by an Apache County Sheriff around 12:15 AM this morning while
>serving of an arrest warrant on a local issue. A sheriff was also wounded.
>
>Remain Calm! This is in no way a cause for action, but all patriots should
>be on high alert at this time.
>
>Do NOT listen to or spread undocumented and unconfirmed RUMORS! If it is
>not here it is not confirmed as fact. Updates will be posted here as they
>become available.
>
>We MUST all remember his love of freedom, America, the Constitution and
>the values it is founded on.
>
>We also have this report from the old man -- (whose name I cannot recall
>off the top of my head) -- who runs the Eagar, Arizona weekly
>newspaper. He publishes it out of his dining room. It is the only paper
>published in Eagar. I have met this man myself. Bill introduced me to
>him the last time I was in Arizona. The old guy is deeply patriotic and
>would neither make up a story, nor embellish it, nor diminish it. He just
>always tells things as he sees them.
>
>Before anyone makes too big of a deal out of this incident, you might as
>well know what the people on the ground in Eagar are saying. Here is the
>small bit of info from the local news guy:
>
>Apparently, Cooper had gone into town and was waving his gun around. He'd
>gone off the handle for some
>reason or something and the local police figured they had to do something
>before he ended up hurting
>someone.
>
>This I find *completely* believable. I knew Cooper extremely well. We
>worked together VERY closely for several years. I saw him at his best,
>and I saw him at his worst. And I saw his volatility, the times when he
>was drunk and disorderly, the times when he behaved irresponsibly,.....
>all of those ugly things that make up "real life." I also saw him noble
>and selfless and giving.
>
>But Bill did have a dark and uncontrollable side. No question about
>it. This does not mean that he was not a good patriot, or that he did not
>teach and help a lot of people. I'm sure he did.
>
>But to turn this death -- which was so needless and for nothing -- into a
>martyrdom, or to say that the feds did it, is unrealistic and
>irresponsible. It is also irresponsible to even suggest that the
>militias "do something about it." I'm sorry, but the circumstances that
>can be clarified about the situation simply do not merit ANY response
>other than sympathy to his family. And it is irresponsible for the Sierra
>Times to claim that Bill's death was the result of a SWAT raid. This was
>simply not the case.
>
> From all that can be known locally at the scene at this time, the
> situation was nothing more than Bill out of control in a public place
> while armed.
>
>And if you've ever been around Bill when he is out of control, you'd call
>the cops, too. Believe me! You would! Bill out of control is
>dangerous. Bill out of control with his handgun is deadly. That's the
>truth. Any one who ever knew him closely will absolutely confirm this.
>
>In this situation, we'll probably find that the police acted responsibly,
>and Bill, for all his good points and bad, died for nothing.
>
>Michele Marie Moore
>Author, "Oklahoma City: Day One"
>
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Guess yiou missed this Csoups
dnarshMAX
>From: csou...@aol.com (CSOUPKID)
>
>Are any of you familiar with William Cooper? He used to have a radio show
>that
>was anti new world order, anti world government, and, anti U.N. And, of
>course, he was "pro gun", and "pro militia"
<snipped>
> John Smith - wwwatc...@yahoo.com
> Bill Cooper's press conference
> Sat Nov 10 12:22:03 2001
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11256
>
> WHAT BILL COOPER SAID TWO WEEKS BEFORE HE WAS KILLED. . .
>
> From:
> http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/coop01.htm
>
> This is tragic news. I have a few more papers left to send to my readers
and my "farewell" paper, but this needed to get sent out immediately.
>
> In a nutshell:
>
> Two weeks ago, on a nighttime broadcast simulcast through a number of
national radio stations, William Cooper, ex-Naval Intel, blew his Top Secret
security clearance by putting together a press conference where he laid out
the structure of this country's SHADOW GOVERNMENT, tracing its roots to the
UFO/Alien cover-ups that began in the 1940s-1950s. He was very concise and
explicit, naming names and documentation, offices and meetings from the 50s
on down to the1970s. He literally ripped the lid of the cover-up, and told
his audience that he'd probably be killed for this. he was.
>
> This brilliant, decorated military career man left Naval Intelligence in
1975,. By his own admission, he was unable to reconcile what he'd learned
while in Naval Intel, about Alien controls and secret combinations within
over our government. He refused to serve the anti-consitutional "Military
Industrial Complex" run by NAS/CIA and the NWO, and resigned. After this he
began to leak info, often receiving threats on his life and family for so
doing. He continued undaunted, but has been increasingly harassed for his
> outspoken whistle-blowing. To weeks ago he decided he could hold back what
he'd learned no longer, and blew the whistle on the whole charade, naming
people's names, dates places...everything he'd learned! Apparently this was
> the last straw?
>
> William Cooper's stunning presentation was bound to get him killed. He
knew it, and stated it before his live audience. If anyone thinks this man's
statements were exaggerated, ask yourself WHY he was killed? There is tight
security surrounding the details of the actual incident resulting in his
death. The story is being spun to make it sound like he had a scuffle with
two Sheriff deputies in which he shot one officer in the head twice. He was
then. According to the official story, shot dead. The deputy is said to be
alive, but Cooper was killed on the spot. You can bet your three dollar
bills and wooden nickels that the truth surrounding this little
"assassination" will never be revealed before it is spun beyond recognition.
There is little doubt that Bill simply went too far. This is the same sort
of thing that got Kennedy shot. If "they" kill presidents to cover up these
truths, how much chance does one lone ex-military officer
have?
>
> My own research corroborates every aspect of what Bill had to say in those
areas where his subset of information intersects my own. His expertise and
knowledge, however, was of a military/political nature (governmental,
historical and cover-ups) nature, not specifically scientific. Yet what he
had to say rings true as far as the technological aspects of UFO technology
is concerned, as well as some of the truths he mentioned concerned with the
nature and motis operandi of the "Gray" aliens, as I have come to understand
them.
>
> For information on ordering the incredible 2-hour William Cooper press
conference on tape, call the KTTK Radio station at: (801) 759-1581.
>
> They broadcast live from 6 to 7 am, Monday thru Friday; and on Saturday
and Sunday at 7 to 9 pm, as "k-talk" Radio am 630 ---- in the Provo Utah
area.
>
> The night of the broadcast their broadcast was interrupted by what was
likely a triangle ship Em pulse weapon. Since then several other
> broadcasts have been so targeted, and disruptions have occurred as Federal
officials have begun harassing the station and interrupting broadcasts by
demanding access to studio files during peak broadcast periods. This
harassment has been going on quietly across the nation, the target being
"talk radio stations NOT with the "plan." This does not include all of what
one might think of as "right wing" talk shows. Shows like fat-man Rush
Limbaugh's and CIA disinformation agent provocateurs like Art Bell, are sure
to continue unabated.
>
> In this researcher's opinion there are few great stations left, among
these I rank KTTK radio, and the Jeff Rense "Sightings" show
> among the best. Especially good (less the gaia-oriented new-aged
philosophical rhetoric) is the LauraLee show. I do not agree 100% with any
of these shows, but they all present interesting non-mainstream scientific
information and all three people running these outfits appear genuinely
interested in the truth. This is a GREAT start.
>
> K-Talk's website can be reached at----
>
> The actual ordering page is located at -----
>
> Other interesting tapes are located in their archives, at and the taped
session is titled: with Aliens - The Shadow Government"
>
> Our deepest sympathies go out to the family of William Cooper. He died a
true patriot and with a clear conscience. May we all be as faithful to our
principles as this man was.
>
> This is yet another WAKE UP CALL to anyone who doubts that we have entered
a NEW era. Bill deliberately got this meeting aired before the Senate and
House passed their fascist new "Patriot/USA" act-bills. Welcome to the age
of the NEW WORLD ORDER folks. It has arrived. Be afraid...be VERY afraid.
> ================================================================
>
> JAK - my tribute to Bill Cooper
> Fri Nov 9 15:23:49 2001
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11222
>
> William Cooper THE AMERICAN PATRIOT -- David Icke E Magazine
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11202
>
> Behold a Pale Horse
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0929385225/cyberspaceorbit/102-
6374687-8965768
>
> The Face Of The Enemy
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11273
>
> Afghan reply to US Imperialism - "Hyder Shaikh" shaik...@hotmail.com
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=11236
>
> "I am only one, but I am one. I cannot do everything, but I
> can do something. And because I cannot do everything, I will
> not refuse to do the something that I can do. What I can do,
> I should do. And what I should do, by the grace of God,
> I will do." - Edward Everett Hale
> http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm
Bob Nevin
Sure, they killed Kennedy, sure, they distorted his legacy, but
he is still the most popular President ever:
http://www.geocities.com/cathycollie/Leader.htm
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