Older inmate
Risk All
much problems. Usually becuase they just are not quite as stupid as the
younger inmates. How ever sex offenders belong in different catagory
altogether. What you need to understand is that most men inside have
families, sisters, mothers, wives, daughters, and sons. They can not
protect their families from predators and yes it may be the pot calling
the kettle black but sex offenders are indeed given a hard time.
Molesters are given the worst treatment. Now more truth time if the sex
offender is weak either physically or emotionally, that hard time is going
to be hard indeed. I do not know what your friend was convicted of ot what
state or even what country. All I can say is that sex offenders get no
sympathy from me and at the same time if a person is truly innocent ( in
this age of genetic marker matching I see that as difficult to understand)
than I feel truly sorry for them because that is mark no one can bear very
well.
Risk
Moses wrote:
> It is my understanding that much of the grief and pain of a prisoner
> comes from undesirable actions from other inmates. In other words the
> stronger mistreating and controlling the weaker.
> A close acquaintance of mine is a 63 year old man who has always led a
> typical middle class life until last year when he made some very poor
> choices and a big mistake. He is now in state prison with a sentence
> that means he will likely remain there for the rest of his life.
> My question - is a prisoner this old treated any differently or
> regarded differently than a young inmate by the other inmates and the
> guards.?
> Will his existence be any less stressful because of his age. His
> offense was sex related, will this affect the way he is treated by
> others?
> Moses
Twislok
It could be hell for him if he succumbs to being a sexual machine for the other
brutes inside which is a danger because of his rap.
He could be isolated by the administration and virtually live out his life
somewhat alone and that too will depend on how he handles that monastic type
life.
He could get a cell and work assignment that would utilize his talents of being
matured and hopefully make a contribution to the prison management internally
and thereby feel worthwhile and posibly carry some dignity in his work
ad=ssignment that will warden off attacks by those goon type cons.
I served time with Nathan Leopold and he in his elderly years had gained
respect and was kept at a distance from others simply by his off puting manner.
He was a murderer of a child and still manged to teach classes and be regarded
respectfully. He finally made parole after decades inside and avoiding the
death penalty. He went inside as a teenager.
Never know. Much of doing time is what you make of it. Much has to do with how
well the prison is run by the administration.
A prison that has allowed gangs or cliques to carry power is a hellish place to
try and survive.
All, I would suggest you can do is something I know works.
Pray for him
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
PS Believe it or not there are literally millions of people around the world
that offer daily prayers for prisoners
>From: Moses
Let's replace that idiotic "Do the crime, do the time" with the old timer that
went
" LET THE PUNISHMENT FIT THE CRIME"
Another one we should adopt from the olden days
"DON'T MAKE A FEDERAL CASE OUT OF IT"
Wings of an Angel
http://www.narsh.com
Omni²
Twislok wrote in message <19990416012531...@ng105.aol.com>...
>I all depends on how he takes it.
How true, you must be strong mentally, to survive. Esp. with his wrap.
>It could be hell for him if he succumbs to being a sexual machine for the
other
>brutes inside which is a danger because of his rap.
>
>He could be isolated by the administration and virtually live out his life
>somewhat alone and that too will depend on how he handles that monastic
type
>life.
>
>He could get a cell and work assignment that would utilize his talents of
being
>matured and hopefully make a contribution to the prison management
internally
>and thereby feel worthwhile and posibly carry some dignity in his work
>ad=ssignment that will warden off attacks by those goon type cons.
>
>I served time with Nathan Leopold and he in his elderly years had gained
>respect and was kept at a distance from others simply by his off puting
manner.
>He was a murderer of a child and still manged to teach classes and be
regarded
>respectfully. He finally made parole after decades inside and avoiding the
>death penalty. He went inside as a teenager.
>
>Never know. Much of doing time is what you make of it. Much has to do with
how
>well the prison is run by the administration.
Good advice Max , very true
>A prison that has allowed gangs or cliques to carry power is a hellish
place to
>try and survive.
>
>All, I would suggest you can do is something I know works.
>Pray for him
No no ! I saw a chomo come out of protective custody after a few weeks of
heavy religious "input". He lasted fifteen minutes ( I had little pity for
him at the time, and I can't say my attitude has changed any)
He was a huge guy, in for molesting a six year old girl after walking out of
the gate to the main yard he muttered something like - I'll leave it in
God's hands.
IMHO - Not a good idea
God helps those who help themselves
Not sure where that comes from , but I agree with it.
soc...@psychology37.freeserve.co.uk
>OOOOOOk Here goes Moses truth time. Normaly older inmates do not run into
>much problems. Usually becuase they just are not quite as stupid as the
>younger inmates. How ever sex offenders belong in different catagory
>altogether. What you need to understand is that most men inside have
>families, sisters, mothers, wives, daughters, and sons. They can not
>protect their families from predators and yes it may be the pot calling
>the kettle black but sex offenders are indeed given a hard time.
Unless they are COs who are well paid. It is very ironic. COs have a
licence to rape and sexually abuse and the one in a hundred who is
caught might expect a slap on the wrist in most jurisdictions. It is a
most appalling state of affairs.
One Time
we have special yards that house nothing but inmates who cannot survive in
gp on standard yards. this includes sex offenders, former leos, etc. i
dont know if california has something similar set up.
will your friend be able to conceal his crime? not likely. s.o.p. nowadays
is for the other convicts to demand to see your papers, proving what crime
you were convicted of. if you dont have your court docs, they'll give you a
week or two to have them sent in. if you don't have them by that set amount
of time, you better be off the yard.
convict justice is 10 times more effecient and harsh than anything society
could ever dream up.
--
they call me
One Time
___________
<Moses> wrote in message news:3716b2de...@news.mindspring.com...
Twislok
work and I certainly won't if you don't believe it will. I did not suggest the
victims do the praying,. They have their hands full coping.
I suggest YOU pray for THEM and do whatever else you can do as I am doing with
what time left that is granted me.
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
>From: "Omni²" <sho...@usa.net>
Let's replace that idiotic "Do the crime, do the time" with the old timer that
Twislok
also seem to want to emulate. They call it "punitive" Justice in that even tho
a person has been punished by having their personal freedom taken away, they
theses convict justice types insist on piling on a convict once incarcerated to
exrtract even more pusinshment in an attempt to rationalize their jobs with
their convict justice moralty t (or lack thereof) and religious or "ethical?"
conviction mindsets.
This is where you find it hard to separate GOON CONS from GOON COs.
I have heard the populous in AZ for instance has been wooed into supporting
legitimatizg Convict Justice in their DOC as policy as may be other States as
well.
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
>From: "One Time" <Won_...@hotmail.com>
>
>moses
>
>we have special yards that house nothing but inmates who cannot survive in
>gp on standard yards. this includes sex offenders, former leos, etc. i
>dont know if california has something similar set up.
>
>will your friend be able to conceal his crime? not likely. s.o.p. nowadays
>is for the other convicts to demand to see your papers, proving what crime
>you were convicted of. if you dont have your court docs, they'll give you a
>week or two to have them sent in. if you don't have them by that set amount
>of time, you better be off the yard.
>
>convict justice is 10 times more effecient and harsh than anything society
>could ever dream up.
>
>--
>they call me
>One Time
>___________
><Moses> wrote in message news:3716b2de...@news.mindspring.com...
LOVAK
I treat those in my charge professionally, however sexual predators of our
children, IMHO, do not belong in jail...they belong dead. We are the only
ones, as a species, that tolerate those that prey upon our children amongst
us. God help me if someone ever messes with my child because he will never
make it to prison.
--
LOVAK
"It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
it is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire trembling, the trembling becomes a warning.
it is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
- Seen in military UseGroup, author unknown.
Twislok <twi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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One Time
i'm a little reluctant since the last time i did, you handed me back this
big long sermon thing.
i tried to answer the man's question as accurately and briefly as possible.
that's all.
ted holiday
<soc...@psychology37.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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start at 1502.00 per month. That's real close to food stamps pay. I happen
to make better because I have been with the system 17 yrs. and I am an
Instructor( which is a supervisors spot ) Our senior mang. makes number 3
in the nation while in the same dept. our CO'S make 50th in Nation, that's
wright, Number 50th. in money.
Twislok
this kind of response.
Thanks
MAX
>From: "LOVAK" <lova...@mediaone.net>
>
> Sorry Max, I agree that prison is the punishment not for punishment and
>I treat those in my charge professionally, however sexual predators of our
>children, IMHO, do not belong in jail...they belong dead. We are the only
>ones, as a species, that tolerate those that prey upon our children amongst
>us. God help me if someone ever messes with my child because he will never
>make it to prison.
>
>--
>
> LOVAK
>
>"It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
>it is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
>the hands acquire trembling, the trembling becomes a warning.
>it is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
>
>- Seen in military UseGroup, author unknown.
>
>
>
> Sorry Max, I agree that prison is the punishment not for punishment and
>I treat those in my charge professionally, however sexual predators of our
>children, IMHO, do not belong in jail...they belong dead. We are the only
>ones, as a species, that tolerate those that prey upon our children amongst
>us. God help me if someone ever messes with my child because he will never
>make it to prison.
>
>--
>
> LOVAK
>
>"It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
>it is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
>the hands acquire trembling, the trembling becomes a warning.
>it is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
>
>- Seen in military UseGroup, author unknown.
>
>
LOVAK
respect to sexual offenders, especially where in involves children. I must
be picking up bad habits from some of our UK visitors as far as going off on
a tangent from the conversation topic.
BTW, what is sinfling? I assume it is a typo but I can't figure out what
it should be.
--
LOVAK
"It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
it is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire trembling, the trembling becomes a warning.
it is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
- Seen in military UseGroup, author unknown.
Twislok <twi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Twislok
>
> BTW, what is sinfling?
>When I retyped it here it came out singling
<grin>
I am a bit touchy on this and thought maybe you had joined the chorus of some
GOONS who labeled me a pedophile because one of the charges along with burglary
on my first trip to the joint was a "overcharge" made by the DA to elicit a
plea bargain. He charge me with Statutory Rape. My girl freing was 2 years
younger than I when we were arrested together in our hotel room.
The charge managed to stick through the trial and as a off handed matter of
clearing up the records the judge tossed a year and a day on my sentense rather
than dismiss it. The sentense ran concurrent BUT it labeled me a sex offender
rewuiring a psychiatric release prior to my getting out. It has followed me all
my life as well. It was even a problem the first day on the tier in the joint
when the gallery boy came to my cell and announced "we don't like rapists in
here bud" !!
So SargeWalt picked up on it and has periodically called me a pedophile.
Just wondered if you felt the same.
Carol's dad didn't care for me much but I doubt that he would have seen to it I
never made it to prison. Her mom thought I was ok. Her brothers didnt care for
me tho.
Sp much for having your way with sex offenders, eh?
By the way, noticed the latest being release from prison on fcharges as well.
Even off death row.
I know it's hard being a profesional CO and all and even harder to institute
correctional tactics and modes on convicts BUT I think you make it even harder
to try and be judge and jury after the trial, don't you?
IMHO
MAX
LOVAK
and sometimes we don't. That's life, and that's what makes it interesting. I
find no need to resort to classifying you as something I consider to be the
lowest of all life forms. Hell, Max I think I have actually broken down and
called you an a**hole only once. I try to present my facts, opinions, and
answers as clearly as possible without resorting to name calling and always
assume, until the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming, that others are
doing the same.
--
LOVAK
"It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion,
it is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire trembling, the trembling becomes a warning.
it is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion"
- Seen in military UseGroup, author unknown.
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