State goes after ex-con's lottery winnings
meg...@my-deja.com
By TANYANIKA SAMUELS - The Kansas City Star
Date: 02/04/00 22:15
Convicted murderer Jeff Borman may have paid his debt to society for
murder, but Missouri says he still owes the state.
And state officials are pretty sure Borman has the money. The
Independence man won a $3.9 million Missouri Lottery jackpot last June.
Attorney General Jay Nixon has filed a lawsuit to recoup some of
what it cost the state to keep Borman in prison. The state could get
about $50,000 from Borman.
"Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for murderers who become
millionaires," Nixon said Friday.
Attempts to reach Borman at his home on Randall Drive were unsuccessful.
Posted on his screen door Friday was a crude drawing of a hand giving an
obscene gesture addressed to the news media.
The Associated Press, however, quoted Borman as saying he's a changed
man.
"I'm not living a flamboyant, luxurious lifestyle," he said. "I'm just
trying to live a normal, law-abiding citizen's life."
On April 11, 1971, Howell County sheriff's officials discovered the
bodies of Floyd and Una Jones in their home in Trask, Mo., just
outside of Mountain View. Borman, then 17, was arrested while driving
the victims' car.
A few months later, Borman escaped from jail, but was recaptured
after a two-day manhunt. He ultimately pleaded guilty to two counts
of second-degree murder and was sentenced to between 45 years
and life in prison on each count.
Borman spent 20 years in prison and was paroled in 1992.
Last June, Borman walked into a QuikTrip on St. John Avenue on
his way to work at Havens Steel Co. and bought a lottery ticket.
That night, the numbers on his card -- 19, 24, 29, 33, 38 and 39 --
added up to a $3.9 million jackpot.
Borman opted to receive his prize in 25 annual payments of about
$156,000 before taxes.
The murder victims' granddaughter, Joyce Smith, said she had
thought Borman was still in prison.
I feel like the justice system didn't work," Smith said. "Here he is
out after we didn't think he would be, then wins the money. It's like
he's been rewarded in some way. It just doesn't seem fair."
The Jones family cannot sue Borman now for wrongful death
because the statute of limitations ran out in 1974.
After Borman won the jackpot, Nixon said, his neighbors alerted
the attorney general's office to his newfound wealth. Borman spent
some of his winnings on a new boat, a pickup truck and a house.
The paper trail from those purchases led state officials to a
middle-class neighborhood in Independence.
This is not the first time the state has gone after a former inmate for
reimbursement, Nixon said. Sometimes, former inmates come into
money through inheritances or court settlements, he said.
"When we do find out, we try to act quickly and fairly," Nixon said.
The attorney general filed the lawsuit in Cole County Circuit Court
in Jefferson City last week under the Missouri Incarceration
Reimbursement Act of 1988.
The state collects about $200,000 each year through the reimbursement
law, the attorney general said. The money goes back into the state
Department of Corrections' budget to save the state a little money, he
said.
The state's lawsuit against Borman applies only to four of the 20
years Borman spent in prison -- from 1988 to 1992.
It costs the state a little less than $13,000 per year to house each
inmate, so the most Borman would have to pay is about $50,000.
If the court rules against Borman, the state would be able to
garnishee his lottery payments, Nixon said.
Borman said he's tried to do some good with the money he won. He
did not rule out some sort of monetary arrangement for the Jones family.
"The money I've given away far exceeds the money I spent on
myself," he said. "I am not a greedy pig or a greedy hog. Yes, I won
almost $4 million, but I would gladly give it up and more to bring
Floyd and Una back from the past."
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Before you buy.
Sgt Walt
>State goes after ex-con's lottery winnings
>By TANYANIKA SAMUELS - The Kansas City Star
>Date: 02/04/00 22:15
>
I am surprised that the State of Kansas even allws inmates to buy lottery
tickets. Here in NY we do not.
Fraternally,
Walt
Sgt. NYSDOCS
"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
Tony Barretta
Don Narsh aka MAX
He is not an inmate dumbass.
Jeez.
No wonder your senility keeps coming through. Apply for disabilty. we can raise
the neccessary documentation from deja news.
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
>From: sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt)
I had/have a DREAM:
To have lived a LIFE of LEARNING,
LOVING and
Leaving a Living, Loving, Learning LEGACY.
Don Narsh Jan. 1, 2000
Sgt Walt
to buy them either. LOL
meg...@my-deja.com
man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can make
him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
In article <20000208122048...@ng-fj1.aol.com>,
Andy Chaplin
Sgt Walt wrote: (regarding Lottery tickets)
>
> How dumb can you be? Max, I have more news for you. We don't allow paroles
> to buy them either. LOL
Why not?
Andy
JavaWoman
pay for their own previous incarceration. The logic of it just
escapes me.
On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 03:40:22 GMT, meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
8-ÅžState goes after ex-con's lottery winnings
8-ÅžBy TANYANIKA SAMUELS - The Kansas City Star
8-ÅžDate: 02/04/00 22:15
8-Åž
8-ÅžConvicted murderer Jeff Borman may have paid his debt to society for
8-Åžmurder, but Missouri says he still owes the state.
8-Åž
8-ÅžAnd state officials are pretty sure Borman has the money. The
8-ÅžIndependence man won a $3.9 million Missouri Lottery jackpot last June.
8-Åž
8-ÅžAttorney General Jay Nixon has filed a lawsuit to recoup some of
8-Åžwhat it cost the state to keep Borman in prison. The state could get
8-Åžabout $50,000 from Borman.
8-Åž
8-Åž"Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill for murderers who become
8-Åžmillionaires," Nixon said Friday.
8-Åž
8-ÅžAttempts to reach Borman at his home on Randall Drive were unsuccessful.
8-ÅžPosted on his screen door Friday was a crude drawing of a hand giving an
8-Åžobscene gesture addressed to the news media.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe Associated Press, however, quoted Borman as saying he's a changed
8-Åžman.
8-Åž
8-Åž"I'm not living a flamboyant, luxurious lifestyle," he said. "I'm just
8-Åžtrying to live a normal, law-abiding citizen's life."
8-Åž
8-ÅžOn April 11, 1971, Howell County sheriff's officials discovered the
8-Åžbodies of Floyd and Una Jones in their home in Trask, Mo., just
8-Åžoutside of Mountain View. Borman, then 17, was arrested while driving
8-Åžthe victims' car.
8-Åž
8-ÅžA few months later, Borman escaped from jail, but was recaptured
8-Åžafter a two-day manhunt. He ultimately pleaded guilty to two counts
8-Åžof second-degree murder and was sentenced to between 45 years
8-Åžand life in prison on each count.
8-Åž
8-ÅžBorman spent 20 years in prison and was paroled in 1992.
8-Åž
8-ÅžLast June, Borman walked into a QuikTrip on St. John Avenue on
8-Åžhis way to work at Havens Steel Co. and bought a lottery ticket.
8-ÅžThat night, the numbers on his card -- 19, 24, 29, 33, 38 and 39 --
8-Åžadded up to a $3.9 million jackpot.
8-Åž
8-ÅžBorman opted to receive his prize in 25 annual payments of about
8-Åž$156,000 before taxes.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe murder victims' granddaughter, Joyce Smith, said she had
8-Åžthought Borman was still in prison.
8-Åž
8-ÅžI feel like the justice system didn't work," Smith said. "Here he is
8-Åžout after we didn't think he would be, then wins the money. It's like
8-Åžhe's been rewarded in some way. It just doesn't seem fair."
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe Jones family cannot sue Borman now for wrongful death
8-Åžbecause the statute of limitations ran out in 1974.
8-Åž
8-ÅžAfter Borman won the jackpot, Nixon said, his neighbors alerted
8-Åžthe attorney general's office to his newfound wealth. Borman spent
8-Åžsome of his winnings on a new boat, a pickup truck and a house.
8-ÅžThe paper trail from those purchases led state officials to a
8-Åžmiddle-class neighborhood in Independence.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThis is not the first time the state has gone after a former inmate for
8-Åžreimbursement, Nixon said. Sometimes, former inmates come into
8-Åžmoney through inheritances or court settlements, he said.
8-Åž
8-Åž"When we do find out, we try to act quickly and fairly," Nixon said.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe attorney general filed the lawsuit in Cole County Circuit Court
8-Åžin Jefferson City last week under the Missouri Incarceration
8-ÅžReimbursement Act of 1988.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe state collects about $200,000 each year through the reimbursement
8-Åžlaw, the attorney general said. The money goes back into the state
8-ÅžDepartment of Corrections' budget to save the state a little money, he
8-Åžsaid.
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe state's lawsuit against Borman applies only to four of the 20
8-Åžyears Borman spent in prison -- from 1988 to 1992.
8-Åž
8-ÅžIt costs the state a little less than $13,000 per year to house each
8-Åžinmate, so the most Borman would have to pay is about $50,000.
8-Åž
8-ÅžIf the court rules against Borman, the state would be able to
8-Åžgarnishee his lottery payments, Nixon said.
8-Åž
8-ÅžBorman said he's tried to do some good with the money he won. He
8-Åždid not rule out some sort of monetary arrangement for the Jones family.
8-Åž
8-Åž"The money I've given away far exceeds the money I spent on
8-Åžmyself," he said. "I am not a greedy pig or a greedy hog. Yes, I won
8-Åžalmost $4 million, but I would gladly give it up and more to bring
8-ÅžFloyd and Una back from the past."
8-Åž
8-ÅžThe Associated Press contributed to this report.
8-Åž
8-Åž
8-ÅžSent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
8-ÅžBefore you buy.
OmniË›
are you saying that anyone on parole in NYS
cannot buy a lottery,scratchy or trifecta ?
and how is it justified?
hi btw
Sgt Walt <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000208122048...@ng-fj1.aol.com...
> How dumb can you be? Max, I have more news for you. We don't allow
paroles
> to buy them either. LOL
> >
> >Guess you didn't read the post as usual.
> >He is not an inmate dumbass.
> >
> >Jeez.
> >
> >No wonder your senility keeps coming through. Apply for disabilty. we can
> >raise
> >the neccessary documentation from deja news.
> >
> >LOTS OF LOVE
> >MAX
> >
> >>From: sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt)
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>State goes after ex-con's lottery winnings
> >>>By TANYANIKA SAMUELS - The Kansas City Star
Sgt Walt
>man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can make
>him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
>
I wonder if his victims think so. What about their losses?
Sgt Walt
>
>
>Sgt Walt wrote: (regarding Lottery tickets)
>>
>paroles
>> to buy them either. LOL
>
>
>
>
the State Lottery is a form of gambling. One of the parts of the Parole
Contract here in NY is that a parole not particpate in any gambling legal or
other wise. Trying to get them use to not forming bad habits?
Sgt Walt
>
>I find that hard to believe sgt
>
>are you saying that anyone on parole in NYS
>cannot buy a lottery,scratchy or trifecta ?
>
>and how is it justified?
>
IT is justified as it is a condition of parole. Gambling leads to other
problems which parolees do not need, such as debt?
Sgt Walt
>pay for their own previous incarceration. The logic of it just
>escapes me.
Why not? The day of the free ride should be and is in many places over.
meg...@my-deja.com
about the law, the law gave him his time, he did his time (parole being
nothing but an alternative form of incarceration) and paid his debt.
That should be the end of it. Period.
Most victims in my experience never think the crime was paid for
sufficiently. And also like you say, that being the case they need to
change the laws then.
From what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt and
was apparently living a law abiding life (they made no mention of any
further crimes or even alluded to any criminal activity).
No doubt it just pisses people off that this guy was that lucky.
In article <20000209120641...@ng-fz1.aol.com>,
sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt) wrote:
> >Sarge, the guy wasn't a parolee either. He did his time and was a
free
> >man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can
make
> >him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
> >
>
> I wonder if his victims think so. What about their losses?
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
>
jldoyle
The only restriction on parolees relative to restitution orders or fines is
the inability to transfer supervision out of state. Parolees here
discharge, by operation of law after three years without violation, any
combination of parole and revocation time adding up to a maximum of four
years (at large time is "dead") or after 13 months if CDC decides to permit
discharge (with the exception of those whose crimes fall under 667.5 or
1192.7 PC).
Other than that, it was a pretty accurate post.
Jeff
meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I don't know about the state this guy was in but in California a parolee
> cannot discharge parole unless his restitution is paid.
>
> In article <20000209203149...@ng-bk1.aol.com>,
> rocky...@aol.com (RockyMtnAl) wrote:
> > I missed the first part of this thread, but...
> >
> > >
> > >>Sarge, the guy wasn't a parolee either. He did his time and was a
> free
> > >>man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can
> make
> > >>him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
> >
> > I assume his mittimus included either restitution or a fine, or both.
> In that
> > case, there is a court order (his conviction) to make good. Attaching
> his
> > lottery earnings is one way of getting the money, and a good way at
> that.
Andy Chaplin
Sgt Walt wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >Sgt Walt wrote: (regarding Lottery tickets)
> >>
> >> How dumb can you be? Max, I have more news for you. We don't allow
> >paroles
> >> to buy them either. LOL
> >
> >
> >
> >Why not?
> >
>
> the State Lottery is a form of gambling. One of the parts of the Parole
> Contract here in NY is that a parole not particpate in any gambling legal or
> other wise.
Is that a blanket regulation, or just for those with a recognised
problem with gambling?
> Trying to get them use to not forming bad habits?
It's a bit difficult to consider it much of a bad habit given the
numbers of people involved
Andy
RockyMtnAl
meg...@my-deja.com
cannot discharge parole unless his restitution is paid.
In article <20000209203149...@ng-bk1.aol.com>,
rocky...@aol.com (RockyMtnAl) wrote:
meg...@my-deja.com
Glad for the info even though his restitution has been paid in full.
Here's a question for you, What about interstate corrections (not
parole) compacts back to the prisoners state of citizenship?
What is the normal proceedure for parole to last legal residence when I
person is arrested in California while on vacation with no legal
residence in California ie: Camping on the beach, while ALL family and
stuff etc... is in another state?
In article <38A25A70...@pacbell.net>,
jldoyle <jld...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> WRONG once again. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.
>
> The only restriction on parolees relative to restitution orders or
fines is
> the inability to transfer supervision out of state. Parolees here
> discharge, by operation of law after three years without violation,
any
> combination of parole and revocation time adding up to a maximum of
four
> years (at large time is "dead") or after 13 months if CDC decides to
permit
> discharge (with the exception of those whose crimes fall under 667.5
or
> 1192.7 PC).
>
> Other than that, it was a pretty accurate post.
>
> Jeff
jldoyle
meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Thanks for the info Jeff. Another lie on the part of Craig's PO then.
> Glad for the info even though his restitution has been paid in full.
S/he may have given bad advice but that doesn't make it a lie. The
majority of agents seldom deal with interstate issues and the rules, regs
and silly management policy changes are so fluid it is hard to keep
straight. A lot of agents are confused about restitution issues in
general. Chances are that was inmate/parolee drag the agent got that
impression from. As you know, the inmate rumor mill frequently circulates
such rumors which become fact in many minds. I have had parolees report
after release with a list of the cars they would like as the mill held CDC
was required to buy new releases a car.
>
>
> Here's a question for you, What about interstate corrections (not
> parole) compacts back to the prisoners state of citizenship?
>
The only vehicle for transferring an inmate that CA participates in is a
program called SACCO...none of us seem to know the acronym's meaning.
SACCO cases are often "hide out" cases. Inmates whose notoriety would make
placement in the committing state's system too dangerous are housed in
another. The majority of SACCO cases are similar to the situation you
described...but in reverse.
SACCO maintains files on CA inmates doing concurrent time in another
state. If they "parole"on the CA term and remain in prison elsewhere, the
case is transferred to an interstate agent who monitors the pending release
and coordinates cooperative supervision with that state. Since these
parolees can "drop off" (discharge) while in custody, that agent also
submits the review report to retain or discharge.
I have heard that mutual, voluntary interstate prison transfers are
possible but I am not aware of any we are involved in. I will be returning
to work on Monday and will check it out. Will advise...but I think a
voluntary transfer is highly unlikely.
>
> What is the normal proceedure for parole to last legal residence when I
> person is arrested in California while on vacation with no legal
> residence in California ie: Camping on the beach, while ALL family and
> stuff etc... is in another state?
If the arrest reports and other information on file indicates the offender
did not establish legal residence here then Compact supervision in the home
state is pretty much automatic. As with all transfers, a request must be
processed which is forwarded to the receiving state for investigation.
Under the Compact they have 90 days to accept or deny. However, there's no
sanction for being late and some states are notorious for tardiness
(Illinois and NJ, for example). Even if residence was established here
transfer is a slam dunk if immediate family members are in that state and
the parolee will be living with them...provided the home is appropriate and
they have the means to support him/her.
Jeff
meg...@my-deja.com
way) because when Craig was first arrested in California he was
vacationing and camping on the beach. To date EVERY parole has been back
to the county of incarceration, not to his home state. We have applied
for compacts and parole agents (except one) have repeatedly refused to
process them. Telling us it is up to the parole agents discretion.
Currently we are attempting to have the prison councelor to an
interstate corrections compact. She says she can't because he will not
sign conditions of parole. Parole is irrelevant due to the fact that he
has chosen to Max out instead. (Today would have been his release date)
And he simple wants a transfer back to his state of residency to finish
out his time. I have spoken with the officials in the recieving state
and they say no prob but can do nothing until California sends them the
paperwork.
No rumor mill involved in the restitution thingie, the PO told me what I
wrote personally. Funny htough about the cars! Why provide a car when in
Calif. at least you can hardly get help with housing or POC! Last time
we got a POC appointment, High control, accute, we had a 4 and a half
month wait. By then he was recidified for another violation. No new
charges mind you but they upped him from a level on to a level two due
to a long standing but "just noticed" CCCMS rating.
Southern Division has done an IA investigation but as you know they
refuse to tell anyone the results. OIG is looking into it now.
Handwriting analisys have backed up my claim that my signature was
forged. The PO accused was transfered.
Current PO says restitution was never paid, I provided copies of my
reciept, now he says he can't go by those but has to contact Sacto.
and on and on....
Starting to understand my attitude towards your proffesion a little.
Nothing personal I have met a few really good PO's but like honest and
loyal cons and good CO's they are few and far between.
In article <38A2E6CD...@pacbell.net>,
jldoyle
meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I asked these questions (and thank you very much for your answers by the
> way) because when Craig was first arrested in California he was
> vacationing and camping on the beach. To date EVERY parole has been back
> to the county of incarceration, not to his home state. We have applied
> for compacts and parole agents (except one) have repeatedly refused to
> process them. Telling us it is up to the parole agents discretion.
> Currently we are attempting to have the prison councelor to an
> interstate corrections compact. She says she can't because he will not
> sign conditions of parole.
If it is irrelevant, he's maxing out, why would the CCI need to process the
Transfer Packet? If he's refusing to sign his conditions it is
inappropriate to process a transfer as the receiving state will reject it it
upon receipt....for the matter our interstate office would refuse to process
it (not to mention the fact he would,in fact,max out as he would continue to
receive revocation time for refusing). Frankly, intentionally maxing out is
one of the dumbest things I've seen a convict do. Basically, he's saying
"I'm not going to let you tell me what to do for THREE years of parole
time...I'll show you...I'll screw up and remain locked up for FOUR years
where: YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" Boy, that's showing CDC, huh? What is he
thinking?
> Parole is irrelevant due to the fact that he
> has chosen to Max out instead. (Today would have been his release date)
> And he simple wants a transfer back to his state of residency to finish
> out his time. I have spoken with the officials in the recieving state
> and they say no prob but can do nothing until California sends them the
> paperwork.
True enough
>
>
> No rumor mill involved in the restitution thingie, the PO told me what I
> wrote personally. Funny htough about the cars! Why provide a car when in
> Calif. at least you can hardly get help with housing or POC! Last time
> we got a POC appointment, High control, accute, we had a 4 and a half
> month wait. By then he was recidified for another violation. No new
> charges mind you but they upped him from a level on to a level two due
> to a long standing but "just noticed" CCCMS rating.
>
> Southern Division has done an IA investigation but as you know they
> refuse to tell anyone the results. OIG is looking into it now.
> Handwriting analisys have backed up my claim that my signature was
> forged. The PO accused was transfered.
Your signature on what? This is the first you've mentioned any thing of the
sort. What's the IA about?
>
>
> Current PO says restitution was never paid, I provided copies of my
> reciept, now he says he can't go by those but has to contact Sacto.
That's easy. The Office of Victim Services turns the reports around in 2-3
weeks. Keep in mind, the law says ALL restitution must be paid. So, if he
has a prior CA commitment that must be cleared too.
>
>
> and on and on....
>
> Starting to understand my attitude towards your proffesion a little.
> Nothing personal I have met a few really good PO's but like honest and
> loyal cons and good CO's they are few and far between.
>
Oh yeah, I remember the original line from Uris' QB VII: "All communists
are not good...just as all capitalists aren't bad." Really, things couldn't
be as black and white as you claim because things never are. C'mon...
Jeff
Don Narsh (MAX)
"infractions" NOT crimes that can add time on to a Convict's original
sentense.
Is that true? It was not so in IL in the olden days. I never did get a
Parole however, maxed out both sentenses. Had no where to go to live at the
times I came up.
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
"jldoyle" <jld...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:38A36E1F...@pacbell.net...
jldoyle
JavaWoman wrote:
> No doubt it does piss people off that he got lucky. And the fact
> remains that the man did serve his time. His debt was paid. This is
> no different than if any one of us had won the lottery, and the
> government moved in and took a chunk of it, over and above the taxes,
> just because they thought we owed it to them. Totally unfair.
Agreed. It would be different if he had been discharged from parole with a
lien of some kind in place, although I tend to agree with the concept of the
debt being paid once he's done his hitch. BTW, don't give the IRS any ideas,
OK?
Jeff
jldoyle
on the MAX discharge date, right? So, what you are looking for is a
transfer, in custody, so he can finish that term in another state, correct?
Please fill in the blanks and I'll look into it on Monday.
Jeff
meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
> They can be done to Il and Iowa as well though Il is only accepting
> "problem cases" and Iowa is only accepting citizens with proof. I don't
> know who pays, no one has said anything to me yet about that.
>
> In article <20000210213529...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
> rocky...@aol.com (RockyMtnAl) wrote:
> > >I have heard that mutual, voluntary interstate prison transfers are
> > >possible but I am not aware of any we are involved in.
> >
> > I believe they can be done in Colorado, but I think the transportation
> costs of
> > a requested move have to be borne by the inmate or family.
RockyMtnAl
meg...@my-deja.com
> If it is irrelevant, he's maxing out, why would the CCI need to
process the
> Transfer Packet?
For the corrections compact.
> If he's refusing to sign his conditions it is
> inappropriate to process a transfer as the receiving state will reject
it it
> upon receipt....for the matter our interstate office would refuse to
process
> it (not to mention the fact he would,in fact,max out as he would
continue to
> receive revocation time for refusing). Frankly, intentionally maxing
out is
> one of the dumbest things I've seen a convict do. Basically, he's
saying
> "I'm not going to let you tell me what to do for THREE years of parole
> time...I'll show you...I'll screw up and remain locked up for FOUR
years
> where: YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" Boy, that's showing CDC, huh? What is
he
> thinking?
He has just over a year left to his Max out date, Already did his dead
year when his father died and he blew it.
> > No rumor mill involved in the restitution thingie, the PO told me
what I
> > wrote personally. Funny htough about the cars! Why provide a car
when in
> > Calif. at least you can hardly get help with housing or POC! Last
time
> > we got a POC appointment, High control, accute, we had a 4 and a
half
> > month wait. By then he was recidified for another violation. No new
> > charges mind you but they upped him from a level on to a level two
due
> > to a long standing but "just noticed" CCCMS rating.
> >
> > Southern Division has done an IA investigation but as you know they
> > refuse to tell anyone the results. OIG is looking into it now.
> > Handwriting analisys have backed up my claim that my signature was
> > forged. The PO accused was transfered.
>
> Your signature on what?
A statement the POA said I gave and signed. She had it put in his
C-file.
>This is the first you've mentioned any thing
of the
> sort. What's the IA about?
POA's violating rules and laws. Not even smart or sneaky about the paper
trail. Including an illeagal extradition.
>
> >
> >
> > Current PO says restitution was never paid, I provided copies of my
> > reciept, now he says he can't go by those but has to contact Sacto.
>
> That's easy. The Office of Victim Services turns the reports around
in 2-3
> weeks.
We've been waiting 6 months for the PO to admit he got the paperwork.
> Keep in mind, the law says ALL restitution must be paid. So,
if he
> has a prior CA commitment that must be cleared too.
All Paid in full, in cash and I have the reciepts. The only part I
didn't pay is what they took out of his PIA checks.
>
> >
> >
> > and on and on....
> >
> > Starting to understand my attitude towards your proffesion a little.
> > Nothing personal I have met a few really good PO's but like honest
and
> > loyal cons and good CO's they are few and far between.
> >
>
> Oh yeah, I remember the original line from Uris' QB VII: "All
communists
> are not good...just as all capitalists aren't bad." Really, things
couldn't
> be as black and white as you claim because things never are. C'mon...
>
> Jeff
>
meg...@my-deja.com
"problem cases" and Iowa is only accepting citizens with proof. I don't
know who pays, no one has said anything to me yet about that.
In article <20000210213529...@ng-fk1.aol.com>,
rocky...@aol.com (RockyMtnAl) wrote:
JavaWoman
remains that the man did serve his time. His debt was paid. This is
no different than if any one of us had won the lottery, and the
government moved in and took a chunk of it, over and above the taxes,
just because they thought we owed it to them. Totally unfair.
On Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:34:44 GMT, meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
8-ÅžThat's besides the point sarge. The fact is, like your always preaching
8-Åžabout the law, the law gave him his time, he did his time (parole being
8-Åžnothing but an alternative form of incarceration) and paid his debt.
8-ÅžThat should be the end of it. Period.
8-Åž
8-ÅžMost victims in my experience never think the crime was paid for
8-Åžsufficiently. And also like you say, that being the case they need to
8-Åžchange the laws then.
8-Åž
8-ÅžFrom what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt and
8-Åžwas apparently living a law abiding life (they made no mention of any
8-Åžfurther crimes or even alluded to any criminal activity).
8-Åž
8-ÅžNo doubt it just pisses people off that this guy was that lucky.
8-Åž
8-ÅžIn article <20000209120641...@ng-fz1.aol.com>,
8-Åž sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt) wrote:
8-Åž> >Sarge, the guy wasn't a parolee either. He did his time and was a
8-Åžfree
8-Åž> >man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can
8-Åžmake
8-Åž> >him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
8-Åž> >
8-Åž>
8-Åž> I wonder if his victims think so. What about their losses?
8-Åž> Fraternally,
8-Åž> Walt
8-Åž> Sgt. NYSDOCS
8-Åž>
8-Åž> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
8-Åž> Tony Barretta
8-Åž>
meg...@my-deja.com
date. He refused to sign conditions and told them he was maxing out in
January 2000. His Max out is in 2001. He recieved 90 days for refusal to
sign.
He is now and always has been a citizen of Iowa, he wishes to finish out
his term there.
CC1 refuses to process the application due to refusal to sign
conditions. Since he is maxing out and only wishes to finish his term
closer to home parole conditions should be irrelevent. Iowa cannot
parole him because even if he transfers he is still the "property (PO's
phrasing not mine) of California.
In article <38A3AB3F...@pacbell.net>,
jldoyle <jld...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> To clarify, he's serving a revocation term that will result in his
release
> on the MAX discharge date, right? So, what you are looking for is a
> transfer, in custody, so he can finish that term in another state,
correct?
> Please fill in the blanks and I'll look into it on Monday.
>
> Jeff
>
> meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
RockyMtnAl
>"I'm not going to let you tell me what to do for THREE years of parole
>time...I'll show you...I'll screw up and remain locked up for FOUR years
I don't know how it is in California, but I've seen quite a few Colorado
inmates burn refuse to submit a parole package and just burn their number
instead. Most for monetary reasons. While on parole, most inmates have to
submit to reguar UAs...at their own expense...follow all the regular parole
terms (no alcohol, etc), and make restitution payments on anything owed. If
they don't, the get violated and do day-for-day, with no earned time.
Once they are discharged, the only way they can be forced to pay restitution is
to be sued in civil court...in which case they simply file bankruptcy to
discharge the debt.
JavaWoman
to pay for someone's past incarceration, about all that accomplishes
is discouraging an ex-inmate from trying to make good. Why be
successful if it is going to make the State move in and take the
profits?
On 10 Feb 2000 01:31:49 GMT, rocky...@aol.com (RockyMtnAl) wrote:
8-ÅžI missed the first part of this thread, but...
8-Åž
8-Åž>
8-Åž>>Sarge, the guy wasn't a parolee either. He did his time and was a free
8-Åž>>man that the state expects to keep paying in whatever way they can make
8-Åž>>him pay. I thought the time was the payment anyway?
8-Åž
8-ÅžI assume his mittimus included either restitution or a fine, or both. In that
8-Åžcase, there is a court order (his conviction) to make good. Attaching his
8-Åžlottery earnings is one way of getting the money, and a good way at that.
jldoyle
meg...@my-deja.com wrote:
> He recieved 10 months for absconding, Feb 10, 00 was to be his release
> date. He refused to sign conditions and told them he was maxing out in
> January 2000. His Max out is in 2001. He recieved 90 days for refusal to
> sign.
And that makes sense to him? If he signs his conditions and has a PAROLE
transfer processed, it would be completed by the time he is released on the
refusal violation. In the interim, he can appeal (602) whatever special
condition he objects to (I'm guessing a no contact order based upon an
earlier post?). Even if the 602 is denied (a very likely event, I admit) he
will be under those conditions for a brief period and will be at home. Some
day, he will realize what an idiotic position he is taking...if he doesn't
come to that reality he's an epic bonehead. No offense intended but I call
them like I see him.
I can see taking a stand on principal when it accomplishes SOME THING or
sends a strong message. BUT, after 16 years in CDC I guarantee nobody in
the department or the BPT gives a damn. Since most corrections staff feel
sentences are too short and credits too automatic, he's certainly doing us a
favor through his self-imposed prison stay. His agent thinks it's great
because s/he doesn't have to deal with another body to supervise. And, the
BPT doesn't have to deal with him beyond extending his revocation term every
90 days or so....and I don't hear any commissioners bemoaning having to lock
people up...do you?
The only reaction anyone in the system has to voluntary max-outs is
gratitude (and snickering). After all, the more parolees who choose to stay
in prison, more staff are hired, CCPOA gets more dues and CDC's budget
increases. From our stand point it's a win-win. So, I suppose if he's happy
so is CDC et al.
>
> He is now and always has been a citizen of Iowa, he wishes to finish out
> his term there.
All he has to do is stop being a knucklehead and go with the program, right?
> CC1 refuses to process the application due to refusal to sign
> conditions. Since he is maxing out and only wishes to finish his term
> closer to home parole conditions should be irrelevent. Iowa cannot
> parole him because even if he transfers he is still the "property (PO's
> phrasing not mine) of California.
As I said, that's appropriate. You see, no prison system will accept a
behavior problem for transfer unless they have to (as with hide out cases).
If the counselor DID process the request and it made it past the signature
gauntlet (CC III to Associate Warden) I absolutely guarantee Iowa DOC would
reject it based upon his being incorrigible as evidenced by the refusal to
sign parole conditions.
Bear in mind the CDC 1515 (conditions) contains an explicit extradition
waiver. So, let's say we do transfer him to Iowa and some reason to return
him to CA is discovered (a previously undetected crime or violation OR a
violation in Iowa prison requiring another BPT hearing). Absent the waiver
we cannot extradite him without a hearing. The state of Iowa would bear the
costs of the hearing including transportation, jail fees (jails charge DOC's
for holding inmates/parolees) and court costs. So, it's quite clear the
counselor has made the correct decision.
Good luck,
Jeff
Sgt Walt
>That's besides the point sarge. The fact is, like your always preaching
>
>
>From what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt and
>
Why is it beside the point?
What gives a criminal a "right" to a free ride at the expense of the taxpayer?
Did the "law" give him his time? Did the "law" commit the crime"? Where is
"responsibility for ones actions" taken into account here? Why should it be
the end of it? Why should not the criminal have to pay for his own
incarceration? Why should the taxpayer?
I would have to disagree with your evaluation of "the crime is paid for
sufficiently". Most of the victims go without any form of renumeration for
their loss. And that is WRONG!
The matter of whether or not the criminal should have to reimburse the state
for his incarceration is now a matter for the courts.
The job of the courts as a very learned jurist once said is to interput the
law.
Fraternally,
Walt
Sgt. NYSDOCS
"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
Tony Barretta
Don Narsh (MAX)
doing something or other.
How many folks "knew" that in NY if you had committed a crime, did your
time, continued your time on Parole, that whatever you receive from a
scratch off belongs to the State?
How much closer to communism are we supposed to go?
Take a person's farm, business, etc by outrageous taxation leaving all that
was built for the family to go to the government seems another communist
idea many folks fought to prevent in Facism as well.
What's the penalty for this or that or the other? No one really knows now do
they?
Not even a DA is sure just how far they want to go in makes the charges and
the penalties. So all we know really is they will sure as hell screw you
around if you break a Law in one State that might be OK in another, etc.
etc.
"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000215105630...@ng-fa1.aol.com...
Sgt Walt
>> Why is it beside the point?
>> What gives a criminal a "right" to a free ride at the expense of the
>taxpayer?
>> Did the "law" give him his time? Did the "law" commit the crime"? Where
>is
>> "responsibility for ones actions" taken into account here? Why should it
>be
>> the end of it? Why should not the criminal have to pay for his own
>> incarceration? Why should the taxpayer?
>> I would have to disagree with your evaluation of "the crime is paid for
>> sufficiently". Most of the victims go without any form of renumeration
>for
>> their loss. And that is WRONG!
>> The matter of whether or not the criminal should have to reimburse the
>state
>> for his incarceration is now a matter for the courts.
>> The job of the courts as a very learned jurist once said is to interput
>the
>> law.
>>
>>
>> Fraternally,
>> Walt
>> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>>
>> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
>> Tony Barretta
Max,
For your edification, we are not talking punishment here, we are talking
about responsibility.
When an inmate goes on parole, Max, he has to sign & READ the Parole
Contract. If he does not know, then shame on him.
What does 'communism' & 'facism' have to do with it? Are these the old 'flame"
words to stir the populace?
The only person who should be held responsible is the man who committed the
crime and did the time. IT is their property that might be seizable if the
state wins their case.
Penalty? NO. Restitution. Restitution is not a penalty. It is making the
offended party whole again.
Don Narsh (MAX)
in Russia and China and Cuba and North Korea?
NG CLOWN
("Much Truth is Passed in Jest")
Lots of Love
MAX
"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000215121920...@ng-fa1.aol.com...
meg...@my-deja.com
sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt) wrote:
> >
> >That's besides the point sarge. The fact is, like your always
preaching
> >about the law, the law gave him his time, he did his time (parole
being
> >nothing but an alternative form of incarceration) and paid his debt.
> >That should be the end of it. Period.
> >
> >Most victims in my experience never think the crime was paid for
> >sufficiently. And also like you say, that being the case they need to
> >change the laws then.
> >
> >From what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt
and
> >was apparently living a law abiding life (they made no mention of any
> >further crimes or even alluded to any criminal activity).
> >
> >No doubt it just pisses people off that this guy was that lucky
>
> What gives a criminal a "right" to a free ride at the expense of the
taxpayer?
You just plain refuse to get it don't you. At this point he was not a
criminal, he had done his time and discharged. He was a citizen, nothing
more and nothing less and he took his chances on the lottery like any
other citizen!
> Did the "law" give him his time?
Yes
> Did the "law" commit the crime"?
No he did and he did his time for it.
Where is
> "responsibility for ones actions" taken into account here?
In the part where he did his time! Duh!!!!!!!!!!
> Why should
it be
> the end of it?
Because that is the law. That is how it works sarge, you do a crime, you
do your time, you discharge your parole and bang, your a citizen again.
> Why should not the criminal have to pay for his own
> incarceration?
He did, it's called restitution and from what I saw his was paid.
> Why should the taxpayer?
Because that is the law, we incarcerate them and we use our tax dollars
to pay for those like yourself, the prisons, the courts etc...
> I would have to disagree with your evaluation of "the crime is paid
for
> sufficiently". Most of the victims go without any form of
renumeration for
> their loss. And that is WRONG!
The victims aren't the ones getting the money here sarge, the state is
so your crying in the wrong hankie. Please stay on track if you can OK?
> The matter of whether or not the criminal should have to reimburse the
state
> for his incarceration is now a matter for the courts.
Then the courts need to do it when they still have jurisdiction, not
after the person is again a free citizen.
> The job of the courts as a very learned jurist once said is to
interput the
> law.
Yet here you seem to take it on as your job? The courts gave him time,
they gave him a length of possable parole, they gave him fines and
restitution. That should be the end of it. If the victims wanted some of
the money they were free to sue and retain an order. In this case though
they are not the ones seeing any money. The courts were never intended
to keep after a person after the sentence is discharged.
>
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
>
OmniË›
> >
> >That's besides the point sarge. The fact is, like your always preaching
> >about the law, the law gave him his time, he did his time (parole being
> >nothing but an alternative form of incarceration) and paid his debt.
> >That should be the end of it. Period.
> >
> >Most victims in my experience never think the crime was paid for
> >sufficiently. And also like you say, that being the case they need to
> >change the laws then.
> >
> >From what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt and
> >was apparently living a law abiding life (they made no mention of any
> >further crimes or even alluded to any criminal activity).
> >
> >No doubt it just pisses people off that this guy was that lucky
>
> Why is it beside the point?
> What gives a criminal a "right" to a free ride at the expense of the
taxpayer?
is
> "responsibility for ones actions" taken into account here? Why should it
be
> the end of it? Why should not the criminal have to pay for his own
> incarceration? Why should the taxpayer?
sgt , you share the same mentality as in china where they charge the family
for the bullet
nobody asks to go to prison
and the service is lousy
its not a motel
there are NO TABS
> I would have to disagree with your evaluation of "the crime is paid for
> sufficiently". Most of the victims go without any form of renumeration
for
> their loss. And that is WRONG!
> The matter of whether or not the criminal should have to reimburse the
state
> for his incarceration is now a matter for the courts.
> The job of the courts as a very learned jurist once said is to interput
the
> law.
>
>
Omnivore
their facilities.
"OmniË›" <omn...@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:BCJq4.27598$3b6.1...@ozemail.com.au...
> you think I'm kidding Don?
>
> well I'm not
>
> sure (guilty) inmates deserve to be punished
> society chooses that punishment
> if I had the choice of paying a huge fine and going to prison
> If I had the cash - I'd pay the fine
>
> Society say's it's not about the money
> you must do time
>
> ok I do the crime - I do the time
>
> not both dammit!!!!
>
>
>
>
>
> Don Narsh (MAX) <dna...@mpinet.net> wrote in message
> news:sajrvq...@corp.supernews.com...
> > And no TIPS, lousy service. Rude and bullying waiters, door men,
escorts,
> > "teachers/instructors", guides, count keepers, lights out engineers and
> > exterminators.
> >
> > NG CLOWN
> > MAX
> >
> > "OmniË›" <omn...@start.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:Rykq4.26618$3b6.1...@ozemail.com.au...
OmniË›
Dana Phillips
Omnivore wrote:
> Some of the more enlightened authoritatians want inmates to pay rent on
> their facilities.
They do that now in some jails.
>
>
> "OmniË›" <omn...@start.com.au> wrote in message
> news:BCJq4.27598$3b6.1...@ozemail.com.au...
--
"Some have brains, and some haven't," Pooh says, "and there it is."
Sgt Walt
>> Max,
>> For your edification, we are not talking punishment here, we are talking
>> about responsibility.
>> When an inmate goes on parole, Max, he has to sign & READ the Parole
>> Contract. If he does not know, then shame on him.
>> What does 'communism' & 'facism' have to do with it? Are these the old
>'flame"
>> words to stir the populace?
>> The only person who should be held responsible is the man who committed
>the
>> crime and did the time. IT is their property that might be seizable if
>the
>> state wins their case.
>> Penalty? NO. Restitution. Restitution is not a penalty. It is making
>the
>> offended party whole again.
>> Walt
>> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>>
>> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
>> Tony Barretta
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Is that like the concept of re educating folks who do not toe the party line
>in Russia and China and Cuba and North Korea?
>
>NG CLOWN
>("Much Truth is Passed in Jest")
>Lots of Love
>MAX
Max,
You reqally should not be identifing yourself as the NG CLOWN. Your image?
Again, you try to inflame the populace with such "flame words" as "comunist"
and "facist". Don't you know the words are diametrically opposed?
Sgt Walt
>preaching
>> >about the law, the law gave him his time, he did his time (parole
>being
>> >nothing but an alternative form of incarceration) and paid his debt.
>> >That should be the end of it. Period.
>> >
>> >Most victims in my experience never think the crime was paid for
>> >sufficiently. And also like you say, that being the case they need to
>> >change the laws then.
>> >
>> >From what can be learned from this article this dude paid his debt
>and
>> >was apparently living a law abiding life (they made no mention of any
>> >further crimes or even alluded to any criminal activity).
>> >
>> >No doubt it just pisses people off that this guy was that lucky
>>
>> Why is it beside the point?
>> What gives a criminal a "right" to a free ride at the expense of the
>taxpayer?
>
>criminal, he had done his time and discharged. He was a citizen, nothing
>more and nothing less and he took his chances on the lottery like any
>other citizen!
>
As usual, Bruski, you missed the point.
The point is why should an inmate get a "free ride" at the expense of the
taxpayer?
Why should the inmate not have to pay his own way? Why should it matter when
it is paid? A debt is a debt. >
>Where is
>> "responsibility for ones actions" taken into account here?
>
>In the part where he did his time! Duh!!!!!!!!!!
>
You really just don't get it, do you. His crime caused him to be
incarcerated. Why should he not have to re-imburse the taxpayers for his time
in jail?>> Why should
>it be
>> the end of it?
>
>Because that is the law. That is how it works sarge, you do a crime, you
>do your time, you discharge your parole and bang, your a citizen again.
What law? The case is yet to be decided.
What law do you cite?
And again, why should an inmate not beheld financially responsible for the
incarceration he caused? What does being a citizen have to do with it?
Citizens incur debts. Why not make the inamte pay for his debt that he casue
the tax payer to pay?
>
>> Why should the taxpayer?
>
>Because that is the law, we incarcerate them and we use our tax dollars
>to pay for those like yourself, the prisons, the courts etc...
>
Again, cite the law?
>> I would have to disagree with your evaluation of "the crime is paid
>for
>> sufficiently". Most of the victims go without any form of
>renumeration for
>> their loss. And that is WRONG!
>
>
>The victims aren't the ones getting the money here sarge, the state is
>so your crying in the wrong hankie. Please stay on track if you can OK?
>
Sure will. But this is also applicable as the victims of the crimes are all of
us, not just the specific victim. We have to foot the bill for the inmate's
incarceration.
>
>> The matter of whether or not the criminal should have to reimburse the
>state
>> for his incarceration is now a matter for the courts.
>
>
>Then the courts need to do it when they still have jurisdiction, not
>after the person is again a free citizen.
That is a matter yet to be decided. Billing a person after he incurs the debt
is the comon practice in business. IS not government a "business?"
>
>> The job of the courts as a very learned jurist once said is to
>interput the
>> law.
>
>Yet here you seem to take it on as your job? The courts gave him time,
>they gave him a length of possable parole, they gave him fines and
>restitution. That should be the end of it. If the victims wanted some of
>the money they were free to sue and retain an order. In this case though
>they are not the ones seeing any money. The courts were never intended
>to keep after a person after the sentence is discharged.
Not me. The State or jurisdiction that is filing the case against the former
inmate. But I do support the concept. Yes, the court gave him time. But that
does nto preclude the state from trying to recover the expense of that time.
In you opinion, the time, the parole, fines and restitution should be the
end of it. However others disagree with you. This matter is now in
litigation. The determination of who is right will be determined during that
court action.
Sgt Walt
>for the bullet
>
>nobody asks to go to prison
>and the service is lousy
>
>its not a motel
>there are NO TABS
>
>
Again, I disagree. The inmate put himself where he went or is. Not the
court, the prosecutor or the cop. NO one promised them a rose garden when they
elected to commit their crime (s) and go to jail. SO you get what you hand
calls for. This is one time, when the "innkeeper" should be re-imbursed for
the tab.
Sgt Walt
>And no TIPS, lousy service. Rude and bullying waiters, door men, escorts,
>"teachers/instructors", guides, count keepers, lights out engineers and
>exterminators.
>
>NG CLOWN
>MAX
MAX, the NG CLOWN,
Seems that tips usually are given by the person recieving the service? .
Rude? LOL, look in the mirror. Bullys? Same.
Door men? Not hardly. But some one had to keep you locked in.
Escorts? You still need one.
Teachers/insturctors? Is this a bad thing?
Guide? You need a guide.
Count keepers? Some one has to keep trakc of the inmates.
Lights out engineeers? Sure, someone has to keep track of the electic bill.
Exterminators? Only for the vermin. Inmates are not included.
Don Narsh (MAX)
sanctions
Yet equally disgusting to my sense of Individual Freedom. Think your idea
of what the "punishment" of a convicted felon is and what you would like to
be able to make it do not relate to our government. Maybe you do have an
affinity or facism methinks. Like some prior poster remarked to my
description of guards being devoted to obediance rather than freedom and
liberty, you know that goose stepping image.???
NG'S JESTER
LOTS OF LOVE
MAX
"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000217114120...@ng-cj1.aol.com...
> >>
> >> Max,
> >> For your edification, we are not talking punishment here, we are
talking
> >> about responsibility.
> >> When an inmate goes on parole, Max, he has to sign & READ the Parole
> >> Contract. If he does not know, then shame on him.
> >> What does 'communism' & 'facism' have to do with it? Are these the old
> >'flame"
> >> words to stir the populace?
> >> The only person who should be held responsible is the man who committed
> >the
> >> crime and did the time. IT is their property that might be seizable if
> >the
> >> state wins their case.
> >> Penalty? NO. Restitution. Restitution is not a penalty. It is making
> >the
> >> offended party whole again.
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Walt
> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> >>
> >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> >> Tony Barretta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> >Is that like the concept of re educating folks who do not toe the party
line
> >in Russia and China and Cuba and North Korea?
> >
> >NG CLOWN
> >("Much Truth is Passed in Jest")
> >Lots of Love
> >MAX
>
> Max,
> You reqally should not be identifing yourself as the NG CLOWN. Your image?
> Again, you try to inflame the populace with such "flame words" as
"comunist"
> and "facist". Don't you know the words are diametrically opposed?
>
Sgt Walt
>MAD MAX'S MANIACAL MUSINGS re:..."Obedinat guards disobeying punishment
>sanctions
>
>Yet equally disgusting to my sense of Individual Freedom. Think your idea
>of what the "punishment" of a convicted felon is and what you would like to
>be able to make it do not relate to our government. Maybe you do have an
>affinity or facism methinks. Like some prior poster remarked to my
>description of guards being devoted to obediance rather than freedom and
>liberty, you know that goose stepping image.???
>
>
>NG'S JESTER
>LOTS OF LOVE
>MAX
NG JESTER OR CLOWN (Same thing),
Seems that you are still now trying to justify your use of flame words to make
your point.
The problem with your "methinks" is that you have not a clue about my
political beliefs. But you seem to friviously use the flame words to suit your
purpose. We are devoted to freedom and liberty. However, we do realize that
sometimes in order for everyone to have liberty we all must have limits on
freedom.
Shame on the NG Jester/Clown.
Omnivore
"The government that governs best governs least"
Don Narsh aka MAX
definition we USED to adhere to as a guide. I should be permitted the right to
swing my arms short of hitting your jaw. Like that definition?
Mad MAX
NG Jester
>From: sgt...@aol.com (Sgt Walt)
>
>>
>>MAD MAX'S MANIACAL MUSINGS re:..."Obedinat guards disobeying punishment
>>sanctions
>>
>>Yet equally disgusting to my sense of Individual Freedom. Think your idea
>>of what the "punishment" of a convicted felon is and what you would like to
>>be able to make it do not relate to our government. Maybe you do have an
>>affinity or facism methinks. Like some prior poster remarked to my
>>description of guards being devoted to obediance rather than freedom and
>>liberty, you know that goose stepping image.???
>>
>>
>>NG'S JESTER
>>LOTS OF LOVE
>>MAX
>
>
>NG JESTER OR CLOWN (Same thing),
>Seems that you are still now trying to justify your use of flame words to
>make
>your point.
>The problem with your "methinks" is that you have not a clue about my
>political beliefs. But you seem to friviously use the flame words to suit
>your
>purpose. We are devoted to freedom and liberty. However, we do realize that
>sometimes in order for everyone to have liberty we all must have limits on
>freedom.
>Shame on the NG Jester/Clown.
>
>
>Fraternally,
>Walt
>Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
>"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
>
>
>
>
>
>
There's only one corner of the Universe you can be certain of improving
and that's your own self -- Aldous Huxley
NG Jester
MAX
Don Narsh
http://www.wingsofanangel.com
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
> >MAD MAX'S MANIACAL MUSINGS re:..."Obedinat guards disobeying punishment
> >sanctions
> >
> >Yet equally disgusting to my sense of Individual Freedom. Think your idea
> >of what the "punishment" of a convicted felon is and what you would like to
> >be able to make it do not relate to our government. Maybe you do have an
> >affinity or facism methinks. Like some prior poster remarked to my
> >description of guards being devoted to obediance rather than freedom and
> >liberty, you know that goose stepping image.???
> >
> >
> >NG'S JESTER
> >LOTS OF LOVE
> >MAX
>
> NG JESTER OR CLOWN (Same thing),
> Seems that you are still now trying to justify your use of flame words to make
> your point.
> The problem with your "methinks" is that you have not a clue about my
> political beliefs.
Not hard to see you are an conservative. I bet the image of Ron brings tears to
you eyes and the Star Spangled Banner plays in your mind.
> But you seem to friviously use the flame words to suit your
> purpose. We are devoted to freedom and liberty. However, we do realize that
> sometimes in order for everyone to have liberty we all must have limits on
> freedom.
Yes, you must limit our freedoms. YOU must determine what freedoms I can have and
which I can not as you no doubt believe in God and I am but a heathen.
>
> Shame on the NG Jester/Clown.
Max claims the clown role but you post as the clown by you every word.
>
>
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
--
"bad grammar is something up with which I will not put."
Pooh
Sgt Walt
>to
>you eyes and the Star Spangled Banner plays in your mind.
>
That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it either. And
I do show respect for the flag of this country, its National Anthem, etc. I
also served my country as a United States Marine. I would never be ashamed
of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
>
>Yes, you must limit our freedoms. YOU must determine what freedoms I can
>have and
>which I can not as you no doubt believe in God and I am but a heathen.
>
I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your freedoms. I
do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold the laws
of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
Sgt Walt
>Ah yes, but please let them be limited in scope as possible. I like the
>definition we USED to adhere to as a guide. I should be permitted the right
>to
>swing my arms short of hitting your jaw. Like that definition?
>
>Mad MAX
>NG Jester
NG Jester/Clown,
LOL, somehow I doubt that you could fight you way out of a wet paper bag. But
any time you thing you can best me, go for it.
Just make sure your health insurance is paid.
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >Not hard to see you are an conservative. I bet the image of Ron brings tears
> >to
> >you eyes and the Star Spangled Banner plays in your mind.
> >
>
> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it either. And
> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
> its National Anthem,
Like the one Hendrix did.
> etc. I
> also served my country as a United States Marine.
Surprise, surprise, surprise,
> I would never be ashamed
> of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself in the flag
and sing your little song. Typical.
>
>
> >
> >Yes, you must limit our freedoms. YOU must determine what freedoms I can
> >have and
> >which I can not as you no doubt believe in God and I am but a heathen.
> >
>
> I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your freedoms. I
> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold the laws
> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
Really.
>
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
--
Don Narsh (MAX)
three off duty COs come into a diner, chase a timid slight built oreintal
out of a booth and are observed doing this by three seniors. They (the
seniors) ultimately "take care of" the COs on their way out, with my famous
less than 45 second maneuver. <GRIN>
"Omni²" <omn...@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:foKr4.29653$3b6.1...@ozemail.com.au...
>
> Omnivore <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:w4Cr4.3238$WH1....@news.swbell.net...
> > ha ha ha ah ......etc
> > Look at who does all the tough talk.
> > You funny guy.
>
> yeah but the difference is only one of you can back it up.......
>
>
> > "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:9VBr4.27880$G91.2...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
> > > I would give an entire paycheck to watch this lard assed piece of
whale
> > dung
> > > waddle his fat, baby raping ass out onto the parade field at Fort
Bragg
> > and
> > > say'/do ANYTHING he talks about in this last post!
> > >
> > > I guarantee there would be nothing but a rather grotesque, putrid,
> > > semi-viscous, gelatinous mass where this troll once stood.
> > >
> > > Yeah, Dana, you and Vore (Skipper and Gilligan) are such real men from
> > > behind your keyboard, aren't you?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ravage
> > >
> > > "When you have to kill a man,
> > > it costs nothing to be polite."
> > > --
> > > "Dana Phillips" <libera...@netcommander.com> wrote in message
> > > news:38AEE3FE...@netcommander.com...
Don Narsh (MAX)
i am forced to repond with
CO
Jeeez, you made me do it, you devil
"Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
news:w_Jr4.28407$G91.2...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
> I wonder what you're called when being "White Trailer Trash" would
actually
> be a step up the social/economic/evolutionary scale for you?
>
> --
> Ravage
>
> "When you have to kill a man,
> it costs nothing to be polite."
> --
> "Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:_AHr4.2003$04.3...@news.swbell.net...
> > Thanks for proving my point, you Mama's pussy loving son of a bitch.
> > "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:VfHr4.28320$G91.2...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
> > > Thanks for proving my point, you Mama's pussy loving son of a bitch.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ravage
> > >
> > > "When you have to kill a man,
> > > it costs nothing to be polite."
> > > --
> > > "Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
> > > news:w4Cr4.3238$WH1....@news.swbell.net...
> > > > ha ha ha ah ......etc
> > > > Look at who does all the tough talk.
> > > > You funny guy.
> > > >
Sgt Walt
>And
>> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
>
>Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
>
>> its National Anthem,
>
>Like the one Hendrix did.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
You would worship a junkie.
>
>> etc. I
>> also served my country as a United States Marine.
>
>Surprise, surprise, surprise,
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
You shouldn't be. Buth then I bet you never have served your country have you?
>> I would never be ashamed
>> of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
>
>No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself in the
>flag
>and sing your little song. Typical.
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
The only one who is stupid is one who trys to belittle another to make himself
look better. At this rate, you have a long way to go. Fact is that I did not
do anything wrong. Serving your country is not wrong. It is actually right,
Pooh Bear. Try it. You might even like it. It would help you grow up.
> I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your freedoms.
>I
>> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
>> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold the
>laws
>> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
>> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
>
>Really.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
Really. Read above. Maybe if you could practice it....
Sgt Walt
>I
>> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
>> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold the
>laws
>> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
>> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
>
Ah, Omni, the correct term is "papist". But in any even, so what?
Sgt Walt
>
>May a naughty geography teacher self-destruct in your fireplace.
>May an idiotic newsagent change bulbs in your aorta.
>May a grotesque caretaker breathe fire in your shaving cabinet.
>May a vegetarian headteacher grow a tower of mould in your hat.
>May an inflatable hotel receptionist lose a biro in your cupboard.
>May an egocentric builder throw bricks in your liver.
>May an egocentric steward throw a petrol bomb in your pelvis.
>May a sarcastic chef play snooker in your radiator.
>May a diabetic accountant laugh maniacally in your large intestine.
>May a non-existent time waster find the meaning of life in your belly button.
>May a pimply spy breed porcupines in your shoe.
>May a disorientated speed reduction officer clean his/her teeth in your
>throat.
>May a battery-powered spy play solitaire in your adenoids.
>May a dirty shop assistant regurgitate asparagus in your sock drawer.
>May a teapot-shaped mathematician detonate an atom bomb in your oversized
>stomach.
>May a freezing penguin do a monkey impression in your palate.
>May an amphibious ice-cream seller concoct potions in your shower.
>May an over-reactive bouncer throw the contents of your stomach in your alarm
>clock.
>May a sterile archaeologist breed porcupines in your doorbell.
>May an irate mechanic pour a large quantity of sodium hydroxide in your glove
>compartment.
>May a hot estate agent lose a bus in your gall bladder.
>May a naughty physicist regurgitate lunch in your mouth.
>May the world's stupidest engineer throw a fridge in your vacuum cleaner.
>May a hot plumber go mad with a hacksaw in your oversized head.
>May a polystyrene accountant breed porcupines in your bronchi.
>May an impotent newsreader lose a biro in your floppy drive.
>May a heavy steward jam a brick in your oversized head.
>May an angry fishmonger eat parsley in your sock.
>May a neutered fishmonger have an appendectomy in your filing cabinet.
>May a pimply terrorist empty a vacuum cleaner bag in your right atrium.
>May a giant comedy solicitor throw a hydrogen bomb in your cupboard.
>May an oversized physicist demonstrate gratituous and extreme violence in
>your
>very small brain.
>May a thick police officer suck a hacksaw blade in your video recorder.
>May a sterile quantity surveyor play Cluedo in your dustbin.
>May a vindicative clown gain arcane knowledge of saucepans in your throat.
>May a zombified sheep make silly armpit noises in your computer.
>May the world's stupidest shoplifter go windsurfing in your throat.
>May the world's only biologist lose a juggernaut in your fusebox.
>May a sterile queen empty a dustbin in your trousers.
>May a bulbous fish do a lemming impression in your palate.
>May an intellectual footballer eat a telephone in your wall unit.
>May a poisonous newsreader explode loudly in your pulmonary vein.
>May a useless chemist construct a kitchen timer in your sock.
>May a plastic architect concoct potions in your telephone.
>May a blue-haired archbishop do a dormouse impression in your right atrium.
>May a perverted comedian spill hydrochloric acid in your crotch.
>May a giant comedy taxi driver regurgitate beans in your briefcase.
>May an intellectual zookeeper find a cure for the common cold in your
>breakfast.
>
>May the world's bluest baby play solitaire in your huge ear.
>May a useless queen program in C in your kettle.
>May an angry botanist watch television in your house.
>May a naughty chat-show host explode in your bath.
>May a gargantuan blancmange play Cluedo in your right ventricle.
>May a stupid carnivore spill a box of drawing pins in your lung.
>May a flammable steward download pornographic material in your bath.
>May a witless soldier murder everything in your pocket.
>May a synthetic archaeologist regurgitate an elf in your trachea.
>May a faeces-covered charity shop worker shake dandruff in your duodenum.
>May the world's most incompetent geography teacher pick his/her nose in your
>cerebellum.
>May a motivated self-made millionaire change bulbs in your tonsils.
>May a synthetic carnivore serve a life sentence in your duodenum.
>May a heavy travel agent mend fish in your colon.
>May a decimated archaeologist regurgitate lunch in your computer.
>May a moronic driving instructor empty a dustbin in your duodenum.
>May an incredibly large clown concoct potions in your microwave.
>May an unenthusiastic journalist ram sticks in your small intestine.
>May an unenthusiastic ribagitationist throw bricks in your freezer.
>May a nylon dormouse throw a washing machine in your duodenum.
>May a senseless butcher hold a self-immolation convention in your aorta.
>May an incredibly large chemist discuss zebras in your renal artery.
>May a spiky bookmaker do a tortoise impression in your house.
>May a fake insurance broker lose a biro in your sink.
>May a gargantuan solicitor fart loudly in your office.
>May a short-sighted porter empty a dustbin in your huge ear.
>May the world's fattest headteacher inject poison in your pulmonary vein.
>May an oversized middle manager do a cat impression in your left atrium.
>May an over-active vegan eat a red chipolata in your microwave.
>May a witless mathematician make silly armpit noises in your oversized
>stomach.
>May a spotty philosopher regurgitate vital organs in your bed.
>May an insane terrorist play snooker in your left atrium.
>May an over-active pygmy regurgitate tea in your cupboard.
>May the world's ugliest pickpocket hold a LANmeet in your left ventricle.
>May an unemployed nurse dig for gold in your pants.
>May a hot elephant defacate in your trousers.
>May an athletic man shake dandruff in your huge ear.
>May a naughty market researcher throw a washing machine in your nose.
>May a flammable git discuss politics in your calculator.
>May a drunk taxidermist pour large quantities of mucus in your modem.
>May a happy medical student spring clean in your kettle.
>May a drunk pickpocket apply a fantastically high voltage to all the
>important
>objects in your double glazing.
>May a dead artist regurgitate tea in your washing machine.
>May a decimated architect meditate in your calculator.
>May a diabetic prostitute throw a small bomb in your pelvis.
>May a bald yodeller regurgitate lunch in your wall unit.
>May an over-active pilot wash dishes in your trousers.
>May an asthmatic cat pour a large quantity of sodium hydroxide in your lunch.
>May a vegetarian porter watch
Wow, and this is from that wise man, Pooh Bear.
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it either.
> >And
> >> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
> >
> >Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
> >
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
You never had it in the first place unless it can be exercised.
>
>
> >
> >> its National Anthem,
> >
> >Like the one Hendrix did.
> >
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> You would worship a junkie.
I would not discount his accomplishments based on drug use. Many people like Edgar
Allan Poe who was also a addict.
>
>
> >
> >> etc. I
> >> also served my country as a United States Marine.
> >
> >Surprise, surprise, surprise,
> >
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> You shouldn't be. Buth then I bet you never have served your country have you?
That was my best Gomer Pyle impression.
You would also lose that bet.
>
>
> >> I would never be ashamed
> >> of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
> >
> >No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself in the
> >flag
> >and sing your little song. Typical.
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> The only one who is stupid is one who trys to belittle another to make himself
> look better. At this rate, you have a long way to go. Fact is that I did not
> do anything wrong. Serving your country is not wrong. It is actually right,
> Pooh Bear. Try it. You might even like it. It would help you grow up.
Served and now serve my community even though I am considered disabled. Don't take
anything for granted walty.
>
>
> > I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your freedoms.
> >I
> >> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
> >> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold the
> >laws
> >> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
> >> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
> >
> >Really.
> >
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> Really. Read above. Maybe if you could practice it....
>
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
--
Omnivore
>
>
> Sgt Walt wrote:
>
> > >> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it
either.
> > >And
> > >> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
> > >
> > >Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
> > >
> >
> > Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> > That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
>
> You never had it in the first place unless it can be exercised.
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >> its National Anthem,
> > >
> > >Like the one Hendrix did.
> > >
> >
> > Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> > You would worship a junkie.
>
> I would not discount his accomplishments based on drug use. Many people
like Edgar
> Allan Poe who was also a addict.
Many of the great artists being drug users would just fall in with the
authoritarin disdain for art and artists.
Of course elephant dung Madonna is kind of pooping in the face of
taxpayers monies that fo to that arts endowment.
Other than some of that crap (pun?) it seems to be that great artists
suffer to some degree. Folks that suffer tend to seek relief. Some forms of
relief may provide their own form of suffering.
Of course the anti drug folks would blame all the condition on the drugs
and take them away, which may leave the sufferer without even the drugs to
blame.
Well, there is myriad little cause and effect situations for folks to
latch onto or deny, depending on which form of bigotry they chose to take.
Either sort of bigot would seek to polarize as opponent anyone who would
seek to take an open minded view of the affair.
Hey! The Army even paid me extra to let me jump out of them aerioplanes!
Dana Phillips
Omnivore wrote:
Many have said the same deep feelings that must be used to create are what
causes substance abuse and depression in many people. I have heard it described
as being too empathetic. Not only do you have your own pain you carry many
others.
>
> Of course the anti drug folks would blame all the condition on the drugs
> and take them away, which may leave the sufferer without even the drugs to
> blame.
> Well, there is myriad little cause and effect situations for folks to
> latch onto or deny, depending on which form of bigotry they chose to take.
> Either sort of bigot would seek to polarize as opponent anyone who would
> seek to take an open minded view of the affair.
having an open mind makes one a target in this ng. Too bad. Let them take aim.
Omnivore
> >> I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your
freedoms.
> >I
> >> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
> >> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold
the
> >laws
> >> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
> >> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
> >
>
>
> Ah, Omni, the correct term is "papist". But in any even, so what?
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
I said popist.
If I say you are a moron are you going to correct me that the correct
term is idiot?
Sgt Walt
>
>Sgt Walt wrote:
>
>> >> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it
>either.
>> >And
>> >> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
>> >
>> >Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
>> >
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
>
>You never had it in the first place unless it can be exercised.
>
Pooh Bear,
I do relish my freedom. It is the reason that I enlisted and was willing to
die for it.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> its National Anthem,
>> >
>> >Like the one Hendrix did.
>> >
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> You would worship a junkie.
>
>I would not discount his accomplishments based on drug use. Many people like
>Edgar
>Allan Poe who was also a addict.
>
Pooh Bear,
I would not say that Hedricks or Poe accomplish very much. Hedricks was a
musician who accomplished....?
Poe's ramblings while "worshiped" by some are really not very creative or
enlighting.
>>>>. I
>> >> also served my country as a United States Marine.
>> >
>> >Surprise, surprise, surprise,
>> >
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> You shouldn't be. Buth then I bet you never have served your country have
>you?
>
>That was my best Gomer Pyle impression.
>
Poor Bear,
Unfortunately, you could not even walk in Gomer Pyles shoes. You lack the
intestinal fortitude.
>You would also lose that bet.
>
Pooh Bear,
In what capacity? Cartoon Character?
>>
>>
>> >> I would never be ashamed
>> >> of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
>> >
>> >No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself in
>the
>> >flag
>> >and sing your little song. Typical.
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> The only one who is stupid is one who trys to belittle another to make
>himself
>> look better. At this rate, you have a long way to go. Fact is that I did
>not
>> do anything wrong. Serving your country is not wrong. It is actually
>right,
>> Pooh Bear. Try it. You might even like it. It would help you grow up.
>
>Served and now serve my community even though I am considered disabled.
>Don't take
>anything for granted walty.
>
Serving your community? How is that? Diabled? How is that?
>> > I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your
>freedoms.
>> >I
>> >> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
>> >> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold
>the
>> >laws
>> >> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
>> >> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
>> >
>> >Really.
>> >
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> Really. Read above. Maybe if you could practice it....
Pooh Bear,
What now glib remark?
Fraternally,
Walt
Sgt. NYSDOCS
Sgt Walt
> Many of the great artists being drug users would just fall in with the
>authoritarin disdain for art and artists.
>
If you consider Hendricks a "great artist" then you are that OPINION. There
are many who do not consider his such.
As to Poe, I would rather read about the joys of life rather than the futility
of it all in the ramblings of a junkie.
Sgt Walt
>> Fraternally,
>> Walt
>> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> I said popist.
> If I say you are a moron are you going to correct me that the correct
>term is idiot?
Omni,
You are one hundered percent correct. You are an idiot if yoru think the
correct term is "popist."
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
> >
> >Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
> >> >> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it
> >either.
> >> >And
> >> >> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
> >> >
> >> >Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> >> That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
> >
> >You never had it in the first place unless it can be exercised.
> >
>
> Pooh Bear,
> I do relish my freedom. It is the reason that I enlisted and was willing to
> die for it.
Did the same Walty. I also exercise my freedom without being a bother to others.
You are simply a minor pest.
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >> its National Anthem,
> >> >
> >> >Like the one Hendrix did.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> >> You would worship a junkie.
> >
> >I would not discount his accomplishments based on drug use. Many people like
> >Edgar
> >Allan Poe who was also a addict.
> >
>
> Pooh Bear,
> I would not say that Hedricks or Poe accomplish very much.
ROTFLMAO
> Hedricks was a
> musician who accomplished....?
> Poe's ramblings while "worshiped" by some are really not very creative or
> enlighting.
I am glad these are archieved. Future generations will marvel in the pure
ignorance you display and I am sure there will be much debate as to if a Walty
really existed as nobody will be able to understand how someone as full of shit as
you are could make it through a normal day w/o causing your own death.
>
>
> >>>>. I
> >> >> also served my country as a United States Marine.
> >> >
> >> >Surprise, surprise, surprise,
> >> >
> >>
> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> >> You shouldn't be. Buth then I bet you never have served your country have
> >you?
> >
> >That was my best Gomer Pyle impression.
> >
>
> Poor Bear,
> Unfortunately, you could not even walk in Gomer Pyles shoes. You lack the
> intestinal fortitude.
I like the height, singing voice and in addition I am not gay either.
>
>
> >You would also lose that bet.
> >
> Pooh Bear,
> In what capacity? Cartoon Character?
Army. 1978. Scored a 128 GT on my tests. Not bad for someone who was recovering
from a nasty hangover and it meant I was qualified to go into any branch of the
military I wanted and in any job I wanted to do. The rest is none of your
business as what I revealed is enough to show you would have lost your bet.
>
>
> >>
> >>
> >> >> I would never be ashamed
> >> >> of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
> >> >
> >> >No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself in
> >the
> >> >flag
> >> >and sing your little song. Typical.
> >>
> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> >> The only one who is stupid is one who trys to belittle another to make
> >himself
> >> look better. At this rate, you have a long way to go. Fact is that I did
> >not
> >> do anything wrong. Serving your country is not wrong. It is actually
> >right,
> >> Pooh Bear. Try it. You might even like it. It would help you grow up.
> >
> >Served and now serve my community even though I am considered disabled.
> >Don't take
> >anything for granted walty.
> >
>
> Serving your community?
Yep
> How is that?
None of your fucking business!
> Diabled?
Yep.
> How is that?
See answer to your other, "How is that."
>
>
> >> > I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your
> >freedoms.
> >> >I
> >> >> do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own State
> >> >> Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to uphold
> >the
> >> >laws
> >> >> of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
> >> >> And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
> >> >
> >> >Really.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
> >> Really. Read above. Maybe if you could practice it....
>
> Pooh Bear,
> What now glib remark?
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> Tony Barretta
If you can't stand stupidity, don't read walty's posts.
Dana Phillips
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >> Ah, Omni, the correct term is "papist". But in any even, so what?
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Walt
> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> >
> > I said popist.
> > If I say you are a moron are you going to correct me that the correct
> >term is idiot?
>
> Omni,
> You are one hundered percent correct. You are an idiot if yoru think the
> correct term is "popist."
> Fraternally,
> Walt
> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>
> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
If you can't stand stupidity, don't read walty's posts.
Dana Phillips
>
> Tony Barretta
Dana Phillips
Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
> > Many of the great artists being drug users would just fall in with the
> >authoritarin disdain for art and artists.
> >
>
> If you consider Hendricks a "great artist" then you are that OPINION.
I can never be an opinion walty.
> There
> are many who do not consider his such.
Love the way you talk walty.
>
> As to Poe, I would rather read about the joys of life rather than the futility
> of it all in the ramblings of a junkie.
Life is both. Many of would rather face that than have some existential crises
later in life. In addition Poe created what is now known as the mystery novel.
His poetry is required reading but I guess you are more an expert than a few
hundred thousand teachers and colleges.
>
>
> Stupidly,
> Walty
> Pvt.. NYSDOCS
>
> If you can't stand stupidity, don't read my posts.
> Sgt. Walty
JavaWoman
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:22:52 GMT, "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote:
8-ÅžI wonder what you're called when being "White Trailer Trash" would actually
8-Åžbe a step up the social/economic/evolutionary scale for you?
8-Åž
8-Åž--
8-ÅžRavage
8-Åž
8-Åž"When you have to kill a man,
8-Åžit costs nothing to be polite."
JavaWoman
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:43:38 +1100, "Omni²" <omn...@start.com.au>
wrote:
8-Åž
8-ÅžOmnivore <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
8-Åžnews:w4Cr4.3238$WH1....@news.swbell.net...
8-Åž> ha ha ha ah ......etc
8-Åž> Look at who does all the tough talk.
8-Åž> You funny guy.
8-Åž
8-Åžyeah but the difference is only one of you can back it up.......
8-Åž
8-Åž
8-Åž> "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
8-Åž> news:9VBr4.27880$G91.2...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
8-Åž> > I would give an entire paycheck to watch this lard assed piece of whale
8-Åž> dung
8-Åž> > waddle his fat, baby raping ass out onto the parade field at Fort Bragg
8-Åž> and
8-Åž> > say'/do ANYTHING he talks about in this last post!
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> > I guarantee there would be nothing but a rather grotesque, putrid,
8-Åž> > semi-viscous, gelatinous mass where this troll once stood.
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> > Yeah, Dana, you and Vore (Skipper and Gilligan) are such real men from
8-Åž> > behind your keyboard, aren't you?
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> > --
8-Åž> > Ravage
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> > "When you have to kill a man,
8-Åž> > it costs nothing to be polite."
8-Åž> > --
8-Åž> > "Dana Phillips" <libera...@netcommander.com> wrote in message
8-Åž> > news:38AEE3FE...@netcommander.com...
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > Sgt Walt wrote:
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > > >Not hard to see you are an conservative. I bet the image of Ron
8-Åž> brings
8-Åž> > tears
8-Åž> > > > >to
8-Åž> > > > >you eyes and the Star Spangled Banner plays in your mind.
8-Åž> > > > >
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > > That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it
8-Åž> > either. And
8-Åž> > > > I do show respect for the flag of this country,
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > Use it to blow my nose from time to time myself.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > > its National Anthem,
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > Like the one Hendrix did.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > > etc. I
8-Åž> > > > also served my country as a United States Marine.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > Surprise, surprise, surprise,
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > > I would never be ashamed
8-Åž> > > > of that or of the service I render today as a correction employee.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > No matter how much what you did may be wrong you would wrap yourself
8-Åžin
8-Åž> > the flag
8-Åž> > > and sing your little song. Typical.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > > >
8-Åž> > > > >Yes, you must limit our freedoms. YOU must determine what freedoms
8-ÅžI
8-Åž> > can
8-Åž> > > > >have and
8-Åž> > > > >which I can not as you no doubt believe in God and I am but a
8-Åž> heathen.
8-Åž> > > > >
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > > I do not limit your freedoms. The right of others limites your
8-Åž> > freedoms. I
8-Åž> > > > do not determine what freedoms you have. The U.S. and your own
8-ÅžState
8-Åž> > > > Constitution have already determined that. I swore an oath to
8-Åžuphold
8-Åž> > the laws
8-Åž> > > > of NY State, the State Constitution and the US Constitution.
8-Åž> > > > And I am not a heathen. I am a Roman Catholic.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > Really.
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > > Fraternally,
8-Åž> > > > Walt
8-Åž> > > > Sgt. NYSDOCS
8-Åž> > > >
8-Åž> > > > "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
8-Åž> > > > Tony Barretta
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > > --
8-Åž> > > "bad grammar is something up with which I will not put."
8-Åž> > > Pooh
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> > >
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> >
8-Åž> >
8-Åž>
8-Åž>
8-Åž
Ravage
--
Ravage
"When you have to kill a man,
it costs nothing to be polite."
--
"JavaWoman" <java_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:oot2bscnc34p359mh...@4ax.com...
> Ravage?
>
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 04:22:52 GMT, "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote:
>
> 8-ÅžI wonder what you're called when being "White Trailer Trash" would
actually
> 8-Åžbe a step up the social/economic/evolutionary scale for you?
> 8-Åž
> 8-Åž--
> 8-ÅžRavage
> 8-Åž
> 8-Åž"When you have to kill a man,
> 8-Åžit costs nothing to be polite."
>
Omnivore
"Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
news:9Tes4.30374$G91.2...@news1.rdc1.az.home.com...
Don Narsh (MAX)
"Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
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Dana Phillips
he hates. Mostly a ground hater but he has been known to not like some of the
air.
"Don Narsh (MAX)" wrote:
--
"bad grammar is something up with which I will not put."
Pooh
Sgt Walt
>> >
>> >
>> >Sgt Walt wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> That is right, Dana, I am a Conservative. And not ashamed of it
>> >> >And
>> >> >> I do show respect for the flag of this country,
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That figures. You never appreciate what you have until you loose it.
>> >
>> >You never had it in the first place unless it can be exercised.
>> >
>>
>> Pooh Bear,
>> I do relish my freedom. It is the reason that I enlisted and was willing
>to
>> die for it.
>
>Did the same Walty. I also exercise my freedom without being a bother to
>others.
>You are simply a minor pest.
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
Seem to be bothering you some. Exercising my freedom to free speach seems to
have pissed you off with your stupid childish pranks. You did the same? Doing
what? Going to Canada while the rest of us fought for what we believe in?
>
>> Pooh Bear,
>> I would not say that Hedricks or Poe accomplish very much.
>
>ROTFLMAO
>
OK, Mr Pooh Bear (aka Dana) can you tell us what they accomplish?
>
>> Hedricks was a
>> musician who accomplished....?
>> Poe's ramblings while "worshiped" by some are really not very creative or
>> enlighting.
>
>I am glad these are archieved. Future generations will marvel in the pure
>ignorance you display and I am sure there will be much debate as to if a
>Walty
>really existed as nobody will be able to understand how someone as full of
>shit as
>you are could make it through a normal day w/o causing your own death.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
I am still waiting for you to tell us what they achieved?
>. I
>> >> >> also served my country as a United States Marine.
>> >> >
>> >> >Surprise, surprise, surprise,
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
>> >> You shouldn't be. Buth then I bet you never have served your country
>have
>> >you?
>> >
>> >That was my best Gomer Pyle impression.
>> >
>>
>> Poor Bear,
>> Unfortunately, you could not even walk in Gomer Pyles shoes. You lack the
>> intestinal fortitude.
>
>I like the height, singing voice and in addition I am not gay either.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
That remains to be seen. But you still lack the intestinal fortitude.
>> >You would also lose that bet.
>> >
>> Pooh Bear,
>> In what capacity? Cartoon Character?
>
>Army. 1978. Scored a 128 GT on my tests. Not bad for someone who was
>recovering
>from a nasty hangover and it meant I was qualified to go into any branch of
>the
>military I wanted and in any job I wanted to do. The rest is none of your
>business as what I revealed is enough to show you would have lost your bet.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
Army? LOL, dough boy without the tools to get the job done.1978? LOL,
peaceful years. What did you do? Garrison duty? And you are a drunk too? A
good test taker? But not too good at applying your knowledge huh?>
>> Serving your community?
>
>Yep
>
>> How is that?
>
>None of your fucking business!
>
Now that is a creative reply. Typical of you and about as useful as your
knowledge.
> Diabled?
>
>Yep.
>
>> How is that?
>
>See answer to your other, "How is that."
Pooh Bear (aka Dana),
See above.
Fraternally,
Walt
Sgt. NYSDOCS
"If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
Tony Barretta
Sgt Walt
>
>> >> Ah, Omni, the correct term is "papist". But in any even, so what?
>> >> Fraternally,
>> >> Walt
>> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>> >
>> > I said popist.
>> > If I say you are a moron are you going to correct me that the correct
>> >term is idiot?
>>
>> Omni,
>> You are one hundered percent correct. You are an idiot if yoru think the
>> correct term is "popist."
>> Walt
>> Sgt. NYSDOCS
>>
>> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
>
> Dana Phillips
Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
Are you trying to tell me you don't know the correct word either? And you
claim to be educated? ROFLMAO!
Sgt Walt
>> If you consider Hendricks a "great artist" then you are that OPINION.
>
>I can never be an opinion walty.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
I stand corrected. You are of that opinion.
>
>> There
>> are many who do not consider him such.
>
>Love the way you talk walty.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
And when you grow up, you can strive to be like me.
>> As to Poe, I would rather read about the joys of life rather than the
>futility
>> of it all in the ramblings of a junkie.
>
>
>Life is both. Many of would rather face that than have some existential
>crises
>later in life. In addition Poe created what is now known as the mystery
>novel.
>His poetry is required reading but I guess you are more an expert than a few
>hundred thousand teachers and colleges.
>
Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
Yes, life is both, btu as usual you ignored what I wrote. Which is not really
a surprise.
Wow, his poetry is required reading. The meanerings of a drug addict?
As to being an expert? Not hardly. But then I guess is it a matter of
"taste". You would rather read about the futility of life, while I would
rather read about the joys. could this be because you have not had much of a
life? You know, life is what you make it. As to your academians, they are
people who sit in the "Ivory tower" of a College or University and think. But
they still don't know how to apply it. you know the most improtatn part of
education is how to apply what you have learned. I apply my education (some of
which is college) every day. I also am not so stupid as to beleive that the
learning process stoped when I got out of college.
Omnivore
For what I was saying I said Popist and I meant Popist.
The Pope is your Pop and your whole affair has much compromised anything
that Jesus actually stood for.
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"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
> >> >> Ah, Omni, the correct term is "papist". But in any even, so what?
> >> >> Fraternally,
> >> >> Walt
> >> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> >> >
> >> > I said popist.
> >> > If I say you are a moron are you going to correct me that the
correct
> >> >term is idiot?
> >>
> >> Omni,
> >> You are one hundered percent correct. You are an idiot if yoru think
the
> >> correct term is "popist."
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Walt
> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> >>
> >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> >
> >If you can't stand stupidity, don't read walty's posts.
> > Dana Phillips
>
>
> Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
> Are you trying to tell me you don't know the correct word either? And you
> claim to be educated? ROFLMAO!
Sgt Walt
>>
>> Pooh Bear (aka Dana Phillips),
>> Are you trying to tell me you don't know the correct word either? And you
>> claim to be educated? ROFLMAO!
>
>
> You poor dimwit.
> For what I was saying I said Popist and I meant Popist.
> The Pope is your Pop and your whole affair has much compromised anything
>that Jesus actually stood fo
Omni,
Talking about dim wits. Take a good look at any good dictionary. There is no
such word. However if you look up the word "papist" you will find in the
Illustrated Oxford Dictionary copyright 1998 pg590, 1st column16th word from
the top: n&adj, often derog * n. a Roman Catholic; 2 hist. an advocate of
papal supremacy, * ajd. of or related to Roman Catholics.
Check Meriam Webster's College Dictionary (10th Edition) pg 841 1st column,
toward the bottom of the page.
papist (n) often cap [MF or NL; papiste fr. pape pope; NL papista, fr LL papa
pope] (1534) : ROMAN CATHOLIC---used idsparagingly---papist adj.
Seems you are wrong, but have not the intestinal fortitude to admit it, but
then neither does Pooh Bear (aka Dandy Dana Phillips.).
Sorry, but you are worng, and again.
Omnivore
I said a word and you babble about some other word. There is a multitude
of words in Webster. Why not just pick one at random and claim I should have
said that instead?
I've thought of writing it Popeist but it would look too much like
poe-pee-ist. I'd like better pop-ist with an alternate pronunciation
pope-ist.
You may refer to yourself as a papist if it pleases you.
You would have done better to ask me if I may have meant something or
other rather than to insist on telling me what I meant. You silly person.
.
"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sgt Walt
> I said a word and you babble about some other word. There is a multitude
>of words in Webster. Why not just pick one at random and claim I should have
>said that instead?
> I've thought of writing it Popeist but it would look too much like
>poe-pee-ist. I'd like better pop-ist with an alternate pronunciation
>pope-ist.
> You may refer to yourself as a papist if it pleases you.
> You would have done better to ask me if I may have meant something or
>other rather than to insist on telling me what I meant. You silly person
Omni,
Is idiocy the only disease you suffer?
Get a good dictionary. There is NO SUCH WORD AS "popist". It is not in the
dictionary.
How could you be wrong? LOL!
Omnivore
Oh well. If you prefer to think of yourself as papist rather than popist
it is fine with me.
I like my term and will gleefully continue to use it for sake of your
response being the most gratifying I have received.
I might even enter it into my spellchecker (which is something you
really are in bad need of) since it keeps wanting to offer me
alternatives;-}
popish
posit
posits
papist
Thanks for the chuckle you funny person.
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"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sgt Walt
> Any word not in a dictionary does not exist?
> Oh well. If you prefer to think of yourself as papist rather than popist
>it is fine with me.
> I like my term and will gleefully continue to use it for sake of your
>response being the most gratifying I have received.
> I might even enter it into my spellchecker (which is something you
>really are in bad need of) since it keeps wanting to offer me
>alternatives;-}
>popish
>posit
>posits
>papist
> Thanks for the chuckle you funny person.
Vore,
God help us and save us. Now you are the authority on the English Language.
You make up your own word and when you are called on it, you still claim you
are right?
I am sure that you do like your term. Take a good look at your own posts
before you start trying to be the "spelling police".
You are a pip, no no relation to the singers, either.
Andy Chaplin
> >> Fraternally,
> >> Walt
> >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> >>
> >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> >> Tony Barretta
> >>
> >
> >
> > How could I be wrong?
> > I said a word and you babble about some other word. There is a multitude
> >of words in Webster. Why not just pick one at random and claim I should have
> >said that instead?
> > I've thought of writing it Popeist but it would look too much like
> >poe-pee-ist. I'd like better pop-ist with an alternate pronunciation
> >pope-ist.
> > You may refer to yourself as a papist if it pleases you.
> > You would have done better to ask me if I may have meant something or
> >other rather than to insist on telling me what I meant. You silly person
>
> Omni,
> Is idiocy the only disease you suffer?
> Get a good dictionary. There is NO SUCH WORD AS "popist". It is not in the
> dictionary.
> How could you be wrong? LOL!
Walty
Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your maxim
now?
Andy
Ravage
news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
Or how about Andy not knowing what a Rhodes Scholar is.
--
Ravage
"When you have to kill a man,
it costs nothing to be polite."
--
>
>
>
> Andy
Omnivore
.news:20000226112346...@ng-fb1.aol.com...
Me, "spelling police"?
I'd just suggesat you get a spellchecker before getting so bitchy. It
gives the option of just leaving the misspellings if one does not want to
bother.
As for you bitching about my term: Just remember that I don't make you
look foolish, you make you look foolish.
Omnivore
"Andy Chaplin" <aj...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
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>
>
> Sgt Walt wrote:
> >
>
> Walty
>
> Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
> Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
> isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your maxim
> now?
>
Don Narsh (MAX)
MAX
Don Narsh (MAX)
MAX
"Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
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Don Narsh (MAX)
MAX
"Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
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> "Andy Chaplin" <aj...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
> >
> >
> > Sgt Walt wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >> Fraternally,
> > > >> Walt
> > > >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> > > >>
> > > >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> > > >> Tony Barretta
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How could I be wrong?
> > > > I said a word and you babble about some other word. There is a
> multitude
> > > >of words in Webster. Why not just pick one at random and claim I
should
> have
> > > >said that instead?
> > > > I've thought of writing it Popeist but it would look too much
like
> > > >poe-pee-ist. I'd like better pop-ist with an alternate pronunciation
> > > >pope-ist.
> > > > You may refer to yourself as a papist if it pleases you.
> > > > You would have done better to ask me if I may have meant
something
> or
> > > >other rather than to insist on telling me what I meant. You silly
> person
> > >
> > > Omni,
> > > Is idiocy the only disease you suffer?
> > > Get a good dictionary. There is NO SUCH WORD AS "popist". It is not
in
> the
> > > dictionary.
> > > How could you be wrong? LOL!
> >
> >
> > Walty
> >
> > Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
> > Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
> > isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your maxim
> > now?
>
Omnivore
I wonder if anyone could explain to him what is going on?
Likely not.......
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"Don Narsh (MAX)" <dna...@mpinet.net> wrote in message
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> Another one of those popist things my pop used to say.
>
> MAX
>
> "Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
Omnivore
Just shake him and he fizzes and pops.
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"Don Narsh (MAX)" <dna...@mpinet.net> wrote in message
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> Another one of those popist things my pop used to utter now and then
>
> MAX
>
> "Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:54Vt4.2756$dm5....@news.swbell.net...
> >
> > "Andy Chaplin" <aj...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
> > >
> > >
> > > Sgt Walt wrote:
> > > >
> > snip
> > >
> > > Walty
> > >
> > > Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
> > > Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
> > > isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your
maxim
> > > now?
> > >
Omnivore
.
> news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
> >
> >
> > Sgt Walt wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> Walt
> > > >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> > > >>
> > > >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> > > >> Tony Barretta
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I said a word and you babble about some other word. There is a
> multitude
> > > >of words in Webster. Why not just pick one at random and claim I
should
> have
> > > >said that instead?
> > > > I've thought of writing it Popeist but it would look too much
like
> > > >poe-pee-ist. I'd like better pop-ist with an alternate pronunciation
> > > >pope-ist.
> > > > You may refer to yourself as a papist if it pleases you.
> > > > You would have done better to ask me if I may have meant
something
> or
> > > >other rather than to insist on telling me what I meant. You silly
> person
> > >
> > > Omni,
> > > Is idiocy the only disease you suffer?
> > > Get a good dictionary. There is NO SUCH WORD AS "popist". It is not
in
> the
> > > dictionary.
> > > How could you be wrong? LOL!
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
> > Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
> > isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your maxim
> > now?
>
>
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Ravage
briefing as well.
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Ravage
"When you have to kill a man,
it costs nothing to be polite."
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"Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
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> Poor Walt.
> I wonder if anyone could explain to him what is going on?
> Likely not.......
>
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> "Don Narsh (MAX)" <dna...@mpinet.net> wrote in message
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> > Another one of those popist things my pop used to say.
> >
> > MAX
> >
> > "Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
Ravage
oinking again?
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Ravage
"When you have to kill a man,
it costs nothing to be polite."
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"Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
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>
> .
> "Ravage" <ron...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > "Andy Chaplin" <aj...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
> > >
> > >
> > > Sgt Walt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Sgt Walt" <sgt...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> Fraternally,
> > > > >> Walt
> > > > >> Sgt. NYSDOCS
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "If ya can't do the time, don't do the crime!"
> > > > >> Tony Barretta
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > Ravage
> >
> > "When you have to kill a man,
> > it costs nothing to be polite."
> > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Andy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
Ravage
into professional comedy? Such a wit as yours should not be wasted on a NG!
--
Ravage
"When you have to kill a man,
it costs nothing to be polite."
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"Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
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> ha ha - There is lot of application of pop* to Walty.
> Just shake him and he fizzes and pops.
>
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> "Don Narsh (MAX)" <dna...@mpinet.net> wrote in message
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> > Another one of those popist things my pop used to utter now and then
> >
> > MAX
> >
> > "Omnivore" <sun...@SPAMOFFpacbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:54Vt4.2756$dm5....@news.swbell.net...
> > >
> > > "Andy Chaplin" <aj...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:38B803A4...@coventry.ac.uk...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sgt Walt wrote:
> > > > >
> > > snip
> > > >
> > > > Walty
> > > >
> > > > Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
> > > > Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you
used
> > > > isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your
> maxim
> > > > now?
> > > >
Sgt Walt
>Walty
>
>Do you want us to bring up all that crap from you about "shite"
>Muslims? It seems you never accepted the fact that the word you used
>isn't in a dictionary then, so why should anyone else accept your maxim
>now?
>
>
>
Dandy Dandy,
Maybe you should refer back to your own posts on that subject. Seems I did not
make up the word. It is another and correct I might add spelling.
Sgt Walt
>Another thing my pop used to say since he was also a road's scholar.
>
>MAX
>
NG Jester/Clown,
Were you also a "road's scholar?" Hmmmm
Sgt Walt
>Another one of those popist things my pop used to utter now and then
>
>MAX
NG Jester/Clown,
Our other "road's scholar".
Sgt Walt
>> Vore,
>> God help us and save us. Now you are the authority on the English
>Language.
>> You make up your own word and when you are called on it, you still claim
>you
>> are right?
>> I am sure that you do like your term. Take a good look at your own posts
>> before you start trying to be the "spelling police".
>> You are a pip, no no relation to the singers, either.
>
> I'd just suggesat you get a spellchecker before getting so bitchy. It
>gives the option of just leaving the misspellings if one does not want to
>bother.
> As for you bitching about my term: Just remember that I don't make you
>look foolish, you make you look foolish.
Vore,
Maybe you should take your own advice?
Maybe you should consult a good dictionary before you start to make up words?
If you can't get it right, just don't say it?