OT: New Restaurant in Phoenix
Jim Thompson
of Warner and 48th)...
http://www.layali.us/index.html
Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Spehro Pefhany
<To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>Very Nice New Middle East Restaurant in Phoenix (Ahwatukee, SE Corner
>of Warner and 48th)...
>
>http://www.layali.us/index.html
>
>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Did you give any of their hookahs a try?
We're going to be down for a few days in Dec, probably give it a try.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
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Jim Thompson
<spef...@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:47:16 -0700, the renowned Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>Very Nice New Middle East Restaurant in Phoenix (Ahwatukee, SE Corner
>>of Warner and 48th)...
>>
>>http://www.layali.us/index.html
>>
>>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Did you give any of their hookahs a try?
No, not yet, but I will ;-)
>
>We're going to be down for a few days in Dec, probably give it a try.
>
>
>Best regards,
>Spehro Pefhany
With spouse? Do stop by.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Very Nice New Middle East Restaurant in Phoenix (Ahwatukee, SE Corner
> of Warner and 48th)...
>
> http://www.layali.us/index.html
>
> Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
Are you saying that you should avoid their "chips"? ;-)
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John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
writes
>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
Morocco - that's part of Arabia, isn't it? (;-)
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Jim Thompson
<j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <05g8g25kng3ragb16...@4ax.com>, dated Sun, 10
>Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
>writes
>>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
>
>Morocco - that's part of Arabia, isn't it? (;-)
I figured someone would respond like that...
There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
I have an Iranian friend, Salar, who tells people his name is Sal ;-)
Homer J Simpson
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:kis8g255ossh58027...@4ax.com...
> There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
"Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me," Proudhon proclaimed, "is a
usurper and a tyrant; I declare him to be my enemy . . . . Government of man
by man is slavery" and its laws are "cobwebs for the rich and chains of
steel for the poor." The "highest perfection" for free society is no
government, to which Proudhon was the first to give the name "An-archy." He
excoriated government in a passion of contempt. "To be governed is to be
watched, inspected, spied on, regulated, indoctrinated, preached at,
controlled, ruled, censored, by persons who have neither wisdom nor virtue.
It is in every action and transaction to be registered, stamped, taxed,
patented, licensed, assessed, measured, reprimanded, corrected, frustrated.
Under pretext of the public good it is to be exploited, monopolized,
embezzled, robbed and then, at the least protest or word of complaint, to be
fined, harassed, vilified, beaten up, bludgeoned, dis苔rmed, judged,
condemned, imprisoned, shot, garroted, deported, sold, betrayed, swindled,
deceived, outraged, dishonored. That's government, that's its justice, that's
its morality! And imagine that among us there are democrats who believe
government to be good, socialists who in the name of liberty, equality and
fraternity support this ig要ominy, proletarians who offer themselves
candidates for President of the Republic! What hypocrisy!"
Joerg
>
>>In message <05g8g25kng3ragb16...@4ax.com>, dated Sun, 10
>>Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
>>writes
>>
>>>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
>>
>>Morocco - that's part of Arabia, isn't it? (;-)
>
> I figured someone would respond like that...
>
> There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
>
Except that it's not that religion is oppressive but that it is people
in leadership positions who mis-interpret and become false teachers. Or
even dangerous teachers. So there are some bad people, but only very few.
> I have an Iranian friend, Salar, who tells people his name is Sal ;-)
>
Hmm. Majeed still calls himself Majeed and doesn't run into problems
with that AFAIK. Unless someone really wants to I only see one reason
why to alter the name a bit: If it's unpronouncable in the country you
live in, like with my name (I am mostly called George).
--
Regards, Joerg
John Woodgate
writes
I thought it might be better if I did it.(;-)
>
>There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
Watch out; your liberal weenie side is showing.
bill....@ieee.org
> On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:51:56 +0100, John Woodgate
> <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >In message <05g8g25kng3ragb16...@4ax.com>, dated Sun, 10
> >Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
> >writes
> >>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
> >
> >Morocco - that's part of Arabia, isn't it? (;-)
>
> I figured someone would respond like that...
>
> There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
>
> I have an Iranian friend, Salar, who tells people his name is Sal ;-)
Good grief. He'll be admitting that individual French people can be
okay any time now.
I'm just back from a couple of pleasant days in Chablis, with a couple
of cases of aide memoires. Premier Cru, from old vines.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
Homer J Simpson
"John Woodgate" <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:dMCBvoc0...@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
>>There are no bad PEOPLES, only oppressive GOVERNMENTS and RELIGIONS
>
> Watch out; your liberal weenie side is showing.
Yes, all of those liberal weenies who want the government to get out of
their bedrooms - and their lives.
Eeyore
Homer J Simpson wrote:
It quite scary to recall how recently the state seriusly intruded into sexual
behaviuor.
Gaham
Spehro Pefhany
<j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <05g8g25kng3ragb16...@4ax.com>, dated Sun, 10
>Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
>writes
>>Owner is from Morocco and is an engineer at Microchip ;-)
>
>Morocco - that's part of Arabia, isn't it? (;-)
I think he could legitimately call himself an African-American.
bill....@ieee.org
Yep. No more interfering in the educational process either. If you want
to keep your kids at home to do the farm chores and to learn about
intelligent design during a regular ten minute tuition session every
evening (except Sunday), that's your business.
--
Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
John Fields
---
It still does. Take a look at fundamentalist Islam where there _is_
no separation between church and state, and it's still a nightmare.
---
>Gaham
---
Gaham? How do you pronounce that? ;)
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
Michael A. Terrell
Why would you want to?
Richard Crowley
> Except that it's not that religion is oppressive but that it is people
> in leadership positions who mis-interpret and become false teachers.
> Or even dangerous teachers. So there are some bad people, but only
> very few.
Bravo. Cut through both the leftist and rightist
myths to the truth.
Homer J Simpson
"Joerg" <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote in message
news:eo%Mg.78$TV3...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Except that it's not that religion is oppressive but that it is people in
> leadership positions who mis-interpret and become false teachers. Or even
> dangerous teachers. So there are some bad people, but only very few.
All teachers of religion are false teachers by definition.
Richard Crowley
> All teachers of religion are false teachers by definition.
And ironically, it is mostly people who believe in various
religions who fought (and died) to preserve your right to
athiesm. Have a nice day.
Eeyore
Richard Crowley wrote:
Could you elaborate on that ?
Graham
John Woodgate
2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriend...@REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes
freedom of thought, including freedom of religion. But many of them
began to do that at a time when they couldn't get political power
without overtly supporting whatever was the dominant religion in the
country at the time. See the careers of politicians in the reigns of
Henry VIII, Mary I, Elizabeth I, and then the 'Vicar of Bray', who
switched from Protestant to RC, Tory to Whig and back in the reigns of
Charles II, James II, William IV and Mary II, Anne and George I.
'And this is the law, that I'll maintain
Until my dying day, sir.
That whatsoever King doth reign,
Still I'll be the Vicar of Bray, sir!'
It's still true today. Witness the interest in whether Tony Blair will
become a Roman Catholic and the furore over GWB's religious views. Local
councils in England and Wales are expected to appoint a 'Chaplain to the
Chairman'. The House of Commons also has a chaplain, who is said to look
around at the MPs and then pray for the country!
I wonder if a prominent and overt atheist could even now get high
political office in UK or USA.
Jim Thompson
So what is the correct pronunciation of "Joerg" ???
Homer J Simpson
"Richard Crowley" <rcro...@xpr7t.net> wrote in message
news:12ga0qv...@corp.supernews.com...
No more true than for the general population. It is not true that there are
no atheists in foxholes.
Homer J Simpson
> I wonder if a prominent and overt atheist could even now get high
> political office in UK or USA.
ISTR that Karl Rove is an atheist.
John Woodgate
J Simpson <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
bishopric and sent him to the bonfire.
While this URL is doubtless not wholly impartial:
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0529,ridgeway,66005,6.html
it does suggest that Rove is a cloacal temple.
Another context of the word 'rove' is the name of a beetle. Figures.
John Woodgate
J Simpson <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
>
intelligent and free-thinking, thus not being preferred as
cannon-fodder.
Jim Thompson
<j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <%zgNg.3003$bf5.1937@edtnps90>, dated Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Homer
>J Simpson <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
>>
>>"John Woodgate" <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>>news:dyPhw7LC...@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
>>
>>> I wonder if a prominent and overt atheist could even now get high
>>> political office in UK or USA.
>>
>>ISTR that Karl Rove is an atheist.
>>
>If so, GWB is a hypocrite; he should have denounced Rove to the
>bishopric and sent him to the bonfire.
All politicians are hypocrites...
Scumbag RINO Senator McCain is appearing in TV ads here in Arizona
supporting Len Munsil for Governor.
Len Munsil is a lunatic-level religious right wing fruitcake.
>
>While this URL is doubtless not wholly impartial:
>
>http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0529,ridgeway,66005,6.html
>
>it does suggest that Rove is a cloacal temple.
>
>Another context of the word 'rove' is the name of a beetle. Figures.
I like Rove ;-)
Homer J Simpson
>>No more true than for the general population. It is not true that there
>>are
>>no atheists in foxholes.
>>
> True, but they are less than proportionally represented, being more
> intelligent and free-thinking, thus not being preferred as cannon-fodder.
It's true that they are less inclined to kill for Jesus.
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
writes
>Scumbag RINO
RINO?? Who he?
>Senator McCain is appearing in TV ads here in Arizona supporting Len
>Munsil for Governor.
>
>Len Munsil is a lunatic-level religious right wing fruitcake.
Literally 'fruitcake'? I thought the RRW didn't like them sort? (;-)
Joerg
>
> So what is the correct pronunciation of "Joerg" ???
>
The "oe" is really an umlaut "o", a sound that in America only New
Yorkers can really make. But they are very good at it. Remember "All in
the Family" when Archie Bunker said "... so my point is ..."? The way he
pronounced the "o' in "point" is the way it's pronounced.
If you have been in France or Quebec this sound can be heard often, like
in the last part of their word for calculator which is "ordinateur".
John Woodgate
J Simpson <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
>
kill for other deities, though.
Michael A. Terrell
>
> In message <SthNg.3369$bf5.1715@edtnps90>, dated Mon, 11 Sep 2006, Homer
> J Simpson <nob...@nowhere.com> writes
> >
> >"John Woodgate" <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:P8hFT0a6...@jmwa.demon.co.uk...
> >
> >>>No more true than for the general population. It is not true that there
> >>>are
> >>>no atheists in foxholes.
> >>>
> >> True, but they are less than proportionally represented, being more
> >> intelligent and free-thinking, thus not being preferred as cannon-fodder.
> >
> >It's true that they are less inclined to kill for Jesus.
> >
> >
> >
> I don't think there are many combatants who are. Quite a few eager to
> kill for other deities, though.
Most of the time, they want to go home, alive and with everything
they had when they arrived. If they have to kill to survive, they do.
Its one thing to practice on the rifle range with pop up targets, but
its completely different to have to fire at another human, or die.
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Joerg <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> writes
>> So what is the correct pronunciation of "Joerg" ???
>>
>
>The "oe" is really an umlaut "o", a sound that in America only New
>Yorkers can really make. But they are very good at it. Remember "All in
>the Family" when Archie Bunker said "... so my point is ..."? The way
>he pronounced the "o' in "point" is the way it's pronounced.
>
>If you have been in France or Quebec this sound can be heard often,
>like in the last part of their word for calculator which is
>"ordinateur".
You may find 'Yurg' near enough. Most differences in languages and
accents are subtle variations of vowel sounds. There are thousands of
different ones, only some hundreds of which have official phonetic
symbols.
Joerg
>
>>> So what is the correct pronunciation of "Joerg" ???
>>
>> The "oe" is really an umlaut "o", a sound that in America only New
>> Yorkers can really make. But they are very good at it. Remember "All
>> in the Family" when Archie Bunker said "... so my point is ..."? The
>> way he pronounced the "o' in "point" is the way it's pronounced.
>>
>> If you have been in France or Quebec this sound can be heard often,
>> like in the last part of their word for calculator which is "ordinateur".
>
> You may find 'Yurg' near enough. Most differences in languages and
> accents are subtle variations of vowel sounds. There are thousands of
> different ones, only some hundreds of which have official phonetic symbols.
Yes, that's true. It's just more difficult to make a certain sound if
you didn't have some training in it or trained yourself. Dutch was quite
tough in that respect, took me a couple years to get it (almost) right.
The main reason why I tell people at clients to call me George is that
when someone has me paged "Joerg" often sounds like "Stuart" and then
there is a Stuart and he answers the page.
John Woodgate
Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes
> Most of the time, they want to go home, alive and with everything
>they had when they arrived. If they have to kill to survive, they do.
>Its one thing to practice on the rifle range with pop up targets, but
>its completely different to have to fire at another human, or die.
Agreed, but it doesn't apply to suicide bombers and other terrorists.
They don't operate under battlefield conditions.
Eeyore
John Woodgate wrote:
> In message <4505B787...@earthlink.net>, dated Mon, 11 Sep 2006,
> Michael A. Terrell <mike.t...@earthlink.net> writes
>
> > Most of the time, they want to go home, alive and with everything
> >they had when they arrived. If they have to kill to survive, they do.
> >Its one thing to practice on the rifle range with pop up targets, but
> >its completely different to have to fire at another human, or die.
>
> Agreed, but it doesn't apply to suicide bombers and other terrorists.
> They don't operate under battlefield conditions.
The suicide bomber also won't see their victims die.
Graham
David Brown
One of the biggest difficulties in learning new letters or sounds is not
learning to pronounce them, but learning to hear them properly. If you
haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are always
going to have difficulty with it.
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>If you haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are
>always going to have difficulty with it.
I think there might be QUITE a problem in pronouncing that, under any
circumstances!
Jörg, not Jðrg.
JeffM
>>Scumbag RINO Senator McCain
.
John Woodgate wrote:
>RINO?? Who he?
>
Republican In Name Only
Y'know--the kind who oppose NeoCons
and think that *Borrow and Spend* is a BAD idea.
I've been chuckling at your posts
but haven't had anything of significance to add to any.
It's good to see you back.
Jim Thompson
>Jim Thompson wrote:
>>>Scumbag RINO Senator McCain
>.
>John Woodgate wrote:
>>RINO?? Who he?
>>
>Republican In Name Only
>Y'know--the kind who oppose NeoCons
>and think that *Borrow and Spend* is a BAD idea.
>
McCain will say anything that causes you to vote for him.
John Woodgate
Tue, 12 Sep 2006, JeffM <jef...@email.com> writes
ehsjr
I thought the "oe" in your name was pronounced like this:
Joutstandingengineerrg. :-)
Ed
Eeyore
David Brown wrote:
> One of the biggest difficulties in learning new letters or sounds is not
> learning to pronounce them, but learning to hear them properly. If you
> haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are always
> going to have difficulty with it.
I disagree. I never heard it as a baby afaik but i have no trouble at all with
it.
The real problem is ppl who are lazy about learning languages.
Graham
Rich Grise
I read a thing in the pronunciation guide of a dictionary once, many
years ago, and I remember the way they described the umlauted o. The
trick was to put your lips in the form to make the 'o' sound, but form
your tongue as if you were about to make the 'a' sound. Similarly, with
an umlauted u, which I think is like ue or something, you purse your
lips to make an 'oo', but put your tongue in position for 'ee'.
Works for me! :-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
I don't think I'd ever be able to learn that African clicking sound.
Thanks,
Rich
Joerg
Thanks for the kudos. Although I guess my wife won't think so after our
X-10 system begins to fall apart. Not my fault but I was the guy who
installed it :-(
John Fields
>
>
>David Brown wrote:
>
>> One of the biggest difficulties in learning new letters or sounds is not
>> learning to pronounce them, but learning to hear them properly. If you
>> haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are always
>> going to have difficulty with it.
>
>I disagree. I never heard it as a baby afaik but i have no trouble at all with
>it.
---
Perhaps because you heard it as a baby but you don't remember?
---
>The real problem is ppl who are lazy about learning languages.
---
No, the real problem is ppl who are so entranced with their own
cuteness that they feel the need to manipulate the language in order
to bring attention to themselves.
--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer
Chuck Harris
Yeah, that's right, go on and blame the people... when you could be blaming
George Bush.
-Chuck
Joerg
>
>>One of the biggest difficulties in learning new letters or sounds is not
>>learning to pronounce them, but learning to hear them properly. If you
>>haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are always
>>going to have difficulty with it.
>
> I disagree. I never heard it as a baby afaik but i have no trouble at all with
> it.
>
That means you have talent there.
> The real problem is ppl who are lazy about learning languages.
>
I don't think so, knowing folks who had expensive Berlitz classes and
tried really hard but never quite got it. We are all different. For
example, I can learn languages quite easily but I have never been able
to sing or play any instrument. And I did try hard.
Eeyore
Rich Grise wrote:
Heck ! Birds can learn to speak !
Graham
Eeyore
Chuck Harris wrote:
What's the point ? Everyone knows he's guilty as hell !
Graham
Eeyore
Joerg wrote:
> Hello Graham,
>
> >
> >>One of the biggest difficulties in learning new letters or sounds is not
> >>learning to pronounce them, but learning to hear them properly. If you
> >>haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you are always
> >>going to have difficulty with it.
> >
> > I disagree. I never heard it as a baby afaik but i have no trouble at all with
> > it.
>
> That means you have talent there.
Thank you kindly. I can roll a French 'r' too.
> > The real problem is ppl who are lazy about learning languages.
>
> I don't think so, knowing folks who had expensive Berlitz classes and
> tried really hard but never quite got it. We are all different. For
> example, I can learn languages quite easily but I have never been able
> to sing or play any instrument. And I did try hard.
Interesting subject. As a 'kid' I was asked if I wanted to sing in the choir but it
had the wrong kind of image for my liking ( watch your back there boy ). My voice is
useless in that respect now though.
OTOH, I never had music lessons but I can 'do stuff' without even thinking much
about it on a keyboard. Or certainly used to be able to. Some coincidence maybe that
my Dad played piano in a jazz band as a student ?
Graham
Michael A. Terrell
>
> Heck ! Birds can learn to speak !
Only birds who are smarter than stuffed donkeys.
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net> writes
>I don't think I'd ever be able to learn that African clicking sound.
There are five basic clicks and dozens of exotic phonemes including
them. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_consonant
I can produce some of them, but others are far too difficult. Loose
dentures might help with some!
Joerg
We are currently having visitors and banging back and forth between
languages. So for fun we taught a friend of ours the word for spoon
which is Loeffel. It was fun: Started out as Flouffel, became Fouffel,
then Loufel and finally Loeffel.
Jim Thompson
So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-Th...@My-Web-Site.com>
writes
>So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
One cannot tell. How do you pronounce the 'oo' in 'spoon'? (;-)
I suspect that if you put a 'y' in front of 'erg' (tiny CGS unit of
energy), you will get a close approximation.
Joerg
>
> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>
No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as "ordinateur".
It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't customary here.
Chuck Harris
Joerg wrote:
> Hello Jim,
>
>>
>> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>>
>
> No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as "ordinateur".
> It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't customary here.
>
Look at what Jim said, in the context of your story, and see if it might
have been a joke...
-Chuck Harris
Joerg
>>>
>>> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>>>
>>
>> No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as
>> "ordinateur". It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't
>> customary here.
>>
>
> Look at what Jim said, in the context of your story, and see if it might
> have been a joke...
>
Uhm, guess you are right :-)
Doing a project on one PC and NG on another. Doesn't always work...
Rich Grise
> Hello Jim,
>
>> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>
> No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as "ordinateur".
> It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't customary here.
Poor plonk-happy Jim has cut himself off from my excellent description
a couple of posts up-thread.
Oh, well. :-)
Cheers!
Rich
Rich Grise
I find it hard to believe that there's anyone who really, truly,
"can't" sing. Especially someone who's good at picking up languages.
Can you distinguish one song from another when you hear it?
Thanks,
Rich
Joerg
>>
>>>The real problem is ppl who are lazy about learning languages.
>>
>>I don't think so, knowing folks who had expensive Berlitz classes and
>>tried really hard but never quite got it. We are all different. For
>>example, I can learn languages quite easily but I have never been able
>>to sing or play any instrument. And I did try hard.
>
> I find it hard to believe that there's anyone who really, truly,
> "can't" sing. Especially someone who's good at picking up languages.
>
T'is true. While marching at boot camp the drill sergeant stopped
everyone. And I mean, the whole battalion. Singled out two guys. One was
yours truly. "YOU! From now on you will not sing. It makes even the milk
in the fridge turn sour. Understand?" "YES, SAAAAAHH!"
> Can you distinguish one song from another when you hear it?
>
I can but I can't hold a tune in a bucket.
John Woodgate
Sep 2006, Rich Grise <ri...@example.net> writes
>Can you distinguish one song from another when you hear it?
There was an old lady of Breen
Whose musical ear was not keen
She said, 'It is odd
But I cannot tell 'God
Save the weasel' from 'Pop goes the Queen'.'
David Brown
> In message <45068688$0$17142$8404...@news.wineasy.se>, dated Tue, 12
> Sep 2006, David Brown <da...@westcontrol.removethisbit.com> writes
>
>> If you haven't heard the õ sound in Jõrg while you were a baby, you
>> are always going to have difficulty with it.
>
> circumstances!
>
> Jörg, not Jðrg.
I think that must have been a confusion between character sets - I knew
it was risking trying to use the right letter. On my email
client/OS/keyboard/font combination, the letter I wrote was an "o" with
two dots above it, while it looks like you saw it as an Icelandic "d
with a cross".
jasen
> Hello Jim,
>
>>
>> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>>
>
> No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as "ordinateur".
> It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't customary here.
The is ABSE, maybe you can dig out a microphone and post a .wav file or
something.
on seconds thoughts then there'll be a bunch of immitators posting back,
maybe a more compact format like ogg or mp3 would be better.
Bye.
Jasen
Eeyore
Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:09:30 GMT, Joerg
> <notthis...@removethispacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Hello Rich,
> >
> >>
> >>>>So what is the correct pronunciation of "Joerg" ???
> >>>
> >>>The "oe" is really an umlaut "o", a sound that in America only New
> >>>Yorkers can really make. But they are very good at it. Remember "All in
> >>>the Family" when Archie Bunker said "... so my point is ..."? The way he
> >>>pronounced the "o' in "point" is the way it's pronounced.
> >>>
> >>>If you have been in France or Quebec this sound can be heard often, like
> >>>in the last part of their word for calculator which is "ordinateur".
> >>
> >> I read a thing in the pronunciation guide of a dictionary once, many
> >> years ago, and I remember the way they described the umlauted o. The
> >> trick was to put your lips in the form to make the 'o' sound, but form
> >> your tongue as if you were about to make the 'a' sound. Similarly, with
> >> an umlauted u, which I think is like ue or something, you purse your
> >> lips to make an 'oo', but put your tongue in position for 'ee'.
> >>
> >
> >We are currently having visitors and banging back and forth between
> >languages. So for fun we taught a friend of ours the word for spoon
> >which is Loeffel. It was fun: Started out as Flouffel, became Fouffel,
> >then Loufel and finally Loeffel.
>
> So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
>
> ...Jim Thompson
No.
It's pronounced 'errr'.
Graham
Eeyore
Joerg wrote:
> Hello Jim,
>
> >
> > So is "oe"/"ö" pronounced like "oo" in "spoon" ??
> >
>
> No, it's pronounced like the "eu" in French words such as "ordinateur".
> It needs a forming of the mouth and lips that isn't customary here.
Make a small round shape with the lips and make the sound in the throat like
when the Docor ask you sah 'ahh' but say 'errr' instead.
Graham
Eeyore
Rich Grise wrote:
My voice just 'cracks' now if I try.
I get sore from talking loud ( as in over loud background noise ) now too.
Graham
John Fields
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