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Stefan Elisa Kapusniak

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In alt.worldsaway, "Stan Engel" <thori...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>I've been thinking of plagiarizing the book "Rise and Fall of the Third
>Reich" by William L Shirer. There would be changes from the WW2 with which
>we're familiar. Rather than Germany trying to conquer Europe, the action
>would be centered about Ravenna, Ohio (rather than Berlin) and the
>equivalents of the Germans would be a mythical race called Zhaunteys. For
>your purposes, they may be considered to resemble cartoon ducks.

I'm not quite sure why you use the word 'consider' here, all
of you Humans' 'Cartoon Ducks' that I've ever seen look
exactly like Zhaunteys. That these 'Cartoon Ducks' filled
your religious artwork for hundreds (if not thousands of
years) before history records first meeting between Human
and Zhauntey must speak of some unearlier unrecorded contact.


>The equivalents to the Soviets would be humanoid felines named Puddycats and
>would be situated to the west of Ohio. When the action in the story starts,
>the Puddycats have fought the Zhaunteys to a standstill and the human beings
>are going to invade New Jersey from across the Atlantic ocean.

Using the island of Cuba inhabited by we TweetyByrds -- who
over the preceding century built the largest Empire in the
world through trade and conquest, but admittedly having declined
in power by the time of the conflict -- as a giant aircraft
carrier floating of the coast of the Americas.

> Just like the
>Normandy invasion of 1944. The Human leader is Brandy McGruder.
>
>Ultimately, the Human attack from the east of Ohio coupled with the Puddycat
>assault from the west results in the Zhauntey leader, Zhauntey McDermitt
>being trapped in Ravenna-with the Puddycats storming the city.

Of course you Humans only came into the war on our side when
Zhuantey allies the Te'Shan -- resembling as they do large walking
trees -- launched a sneak attack upon your naval base at Okinawa
from their homeland upon the islands you call 'New Zealand'.


>As I said, the action and dialog would be plagiarized from Shirer. Zhauntey
>McDermitt would name Donald Duck the final head of the Air Force as a
>replacement for the traitorous Quacker. Aviatrix Daisy Duck would
>dramatically fly Donald into besieged Ravenna.
>
>But too late. The Puddycats advance, Zhauntey McDermitt takes his own life.
>Donald Duck and Baby Huey try to negotiate safe passage from doomed Ravenna
>to Ashtabula. The Puddycat General, Butterball, demands unconditional
>surrender. Donald and Huey take their own lives in the basement of the
>McQuacken Institute. Daisy Duck is found by the conquering Puddycats sobbing
>uncontrollably in the corner.
>
>Anybody interested? Let me Know.

I confess, to my shame, I do not have much knowledge of this
particular slice of world history -- however popular many people
seem to find discussing the giant Mecha battles fought between
the Puddycats and the Zhuantey on the Western front -- my
studies concentrate more on the rise to power of the Sorcerer
Empress of France, but if you want to take a shot at it I
will endeavour to keep up.


-- Kapusniak, Stefan e

Bill Cleere

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Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
>
> In alt.worldsaway, "Stan Engel" <thori...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >I've been thinking of plagiarizing the book "Rise and Fall of the Third
> >Reich" by William L Shirer. There would be changes from the WW2 with which
> >we're familiar. Rather than Germany trying to conquer Europe, the action
> >would be centered about Ravenna, Ohio (rather than Berlin) and the
> >equivalents of the Germans would be a mythical race called Zhaunteys. For
> >your purposes, they may be considered to resemble cartoon ducks.
>
> I'm not quite sure why you use the word 'consider' here, all
> of you Humans' 'Cartoon Ducks' that I've ever seen look
> exactly like Zhaunteys. That these 'Cartoon Ducks' filled
> your religious artwork for hundreds (if not thousands of
> years) before history records first meeting between Human
> and Zhauntey must speak of some unearlier unrecorded contact.

Well, there are of course traditions and legends and whatnot.
Even as far back as "Cro-Magnon" times, cave artists painted several
enigmatic figures on the walls of the Les Ezyies and Ardeche sites
which bear a striking resemblances to known representations of the
Zhauntey.

> >The equivalents to the Soviets would be humanoid felines named Puddycats and
> >would be situated to the west of Ohio. When the action in the story starts,
> >the Puddycats have fought the Zhaunteys to a standstill and the human beings
> >are going to invade New Jersey from across the Atlantic ocean.
>
> Using the island of Cuba inhabited by we TweetyByrds -- who
> over the preceding century built the largest Empire in the
> world through trade and conquest, but admittedly having declined
> in power by the time of the conflict -- as a giant aircraft
> carrier floating of the coast of the Americas.

And of course the balance of power would be held by Pope Sylvester.

> > Just like the
> >Normandy invasion of 1944. The Human leader is Brandy McGruder.
> >
> >Ultimately, the Human attack from the east of Ohio coupled with the Puddycat
> >assault from the west results in the Zhauntey leader, Zhauntey McDermitt
> >being trapped in Ravenna-with the Puddycats storming the city.
>
> Of course you Humans only came into the war on our side when
> Zhuantey allies the Te'Shan -- resembling as they do large walking
> trees -- launched a sneak attack upon your naval base at Okinawa
> from their homeland upon the islands you call 'New Zealand'.

Not easy for trees to launch a sneak attack, but we know from
Shakespeare that it can be done.

> >As I said, the action and dialog would be plagiarized from Shirer. Zhauntey
> >McDermitt would name Donald Duck the final head of the Air Force as a
> >replacement for the traitorous Quacker. Aviatrix Daisy Duck would
> >dramatically fly Donald into besieged Ravenna.

This is tailor-made for Suicide Squid. Can we work him in somewhere?

> >But too late. The Puddycats advance, Zhauntey McDermitt takes his own life.
> >Donald Duck and Baby Huey try to negotiate safe passage from doomed Ravenna
> >to Ashtabula. The Puddycat General, Butterball, demands unconditional
> >surrender. Donald and Huey take their own lives in the basement of the
> >McQuacken Institute. Daisy Duck is found by the conquering Puddycats sobbing
> >uncontrollably in the corner.
> >
> >Anybody interested? Let me Know.
>
> I confess, to my shame, I do not have much knowledge of this
> particular slice of world history -- however popular many people
> seem to find discussing the giant Mecha battles fought between
> the Puddycats and the Zhuantey on the Western front -- my
> studies concentrate more on the rise to power of the Sorcerer
> Empress of France, but if you want to take a shot at it I
> will endeavour to keep up.

I like the siting in Ravenna very much. Brings up all sorts of
resonance
with the Italian Ravenna, which was the scene of all manner of goings-on
for
centuries, and I'm sure had siege laid to it a bunch of times. The
Normans had a go, I think, and the German emperors must have, and it
was the seat of the Byzantine Empire for a bit, and all that kind of
business.

>
> -- Kapusniak, Stefan e

-- Bill Cleere

Stefan Elisa Kapusniak

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In alt.worldsaway, Bill Cleere <acl...@best.com> wrote:

>Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
>>
>> I'm not quite sure why you use the word 'consider' here, all
>> of you Humans' 'Cartoon Ducks' that I've ever seen look
>> exactly like Zhaunteys. That these 'Cartoon Ducks' filled
>> your religious artwork for hundreds (if not thousands of
>> years) before history records first meeting between Human
>> and Zhauntey must speak of some unearlier unrecorded contact.
>
>Well, there are of course traditions and legends and whatnot.
>Even as far back as "Cro-Magnon" times, cave artists painted several
>enigmatic figures on the walls of the Les Ezyies and Ardeche sites
>which bear a striking resemblances to known representations of the
>Zhauntey.

Interesting that you would mention this. Just the other
day I trawled through some stuff on the web about entoptic
forms -- the standard set of patterns that you Humans
perceive when in the trance state -- and the link between
these forms and the enigmatic cave paintings you mentions.

As I understand the hypothesis, the large number of entoptic
forms present in such paintings point to their creation by
Humans in, or familar with, shamanistic trance states.

Since, as you point out, images of Zhauntey proliferate in
such paintings, and the archetype of the "Cartoon Duck"
remains common in Human literature and visual arts, one
might well conclude that we can classify the
Zhauntey/Cartoon Duck image as an entoptic form, just like
wavy lines or spirals.

We then ask ourselves the question "why this form?"

Obviously, one can dismiss the insane ravings of Zhauntey
McDermitt in Meinth Quackth -- that a previous master race
of Zhauntey on the lost continent of Atlantis[1] created
Humans via selective breeding from apes (!) to act as slaves
for the Zhuantey -- as just that, insane ravings.

One could describe, even in McDermitt's day the evidence
in favour of the scientifically valid theory -- that
Humans where created by the first gods from the small
intestines of those ice giants they slew in battle --
as having overwhelming force. So we may consign the theory
that launched such a bloody period in world history, that
the "Cartoon Duck" image represents "the mark that reveals
the maker", to the textbooks upon the treatment of demonic
possession where it rightly belongs.

One can assemble a far more plausible theory once on
recalls one of the underlying themes in Zhauntey history,
the long struggle of the many secret and conspiratorial
societies to preserve the sputtering flame of psychic
ability amongst there race. Unlike we TweetyByrds who
perform our Magicks through the agency of the Great Goddess
Granny, or you humans who perform such feats with the
aid of a whole pantheon of miscellaneous gods, goddeses
and spirits, the Zhauntey jealously guard their tradition
of attempting Magick completely unaided by any higher
power.

Presumably, because unlike our races they have some small,
but wavering ability to do so. This also accounts for some
of their superior attitude towards us all I suppose.

If one reads their history of undoubted technological
progress, one begins to how see it is punctuated and set
back by incidents caused by their secret shadow societies
meddling in the Powers without aid. The development
among the educated classes of eschewing magick totally,
one can see as a relatively recent development of the
last few decade.

I would not find it at all suprising were it to turn out
that the entoptic "Cartoon Duck" form be an effect, maybe
intentional, but probably not, of some piece of Zhauntey
meddling in the pnumeatic realm, during the early growth
of the Human collective unconsious. A sort of remote
mass mind-control of the human subconscious imprint.

After all, evidence suggests you Humans as one of the more
recent sapient species created on this planet.


-- Kapusniak, Stefan e

[1] As any modern student knows, exploratory dives upon the
sunken continent have turn up no evidence of Zhauntey
occupation.

Andrea Chen

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Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
>
> In alt.worldsaway, Bill Cleere <acl...@best.com> wrote:
> >Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
> >>
> Interesting that you would mention this. Just the other
> day I trawled through some stuff on the web about entoptic
> forms -- the standard set of patterns that you Humans
> perceive when in the trance state -- and the link between
> these forms and the enigmatic cave paintings you mentions.
>

Hi Stefan:

It's interesting that you should mention this just as they have started
discussing similar issues in alt.surrealism Once again the quantum
computer (the socalled sarfetti machine) pops out it's strange
coincidences with certain themes arising independantly in a number of
groups.

Unfortunatly I'm afraid the events in alt.surrealism are a muting
action, the underlying processor trying to censor the events by talking
about them in vague philosophical ways rather than proposing pragmatic
theories on their workings through observation and experiment with the
actual events (which was the way of neu neutopia, mentioned at least a
half dozen times in alt.surrealism and conveniently censored out of the
minds of those (poor unwitting puppets of darkness) who now take up our
themes in an attempt to destoy them.)

Stefan Elisa Kapusniak

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In alt.worldsaway, "Stan Engel" <thori...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>Bill Cleere wrote in message <36B2CE...@best.com>...

>>This is tailor-made for Suicide Squid. Can we work him in somewhere?

>I'm not familiar with Suicide Squid. Can you give me a description of him?
>What color(s) is he? How tall and heavy? Air Breather? What religion?

I think there I can hazard that he probably doesn't follow
the Christian religion as evidenced by the 'Jesus Issue',
and the general prominence given to eating fish in that
faith.

However I refer you to any passing experts lurking in
a.p.s and alt.fan.suicide-squid for further elucidation.


-- Kapusniak, Stefan e

Bill Cleere

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Suicide Squid is one of the most delightful parts of the whole
canon of net.lore. In ancient times, there was a discussion in
rec.arts.comics about a comic called "Suicide Squad". A Japanese
fan struggling with his English posted:

What's happen in Suicide Squid? Please tell me.
(I don't read S.S.)

One of the local yokels gave him an answer, others
immediately picked up on it, and before you know it,
Suicide Squid was history. The cult was still growing
in 1994, three years later, and for all I know still is
today. You can read the whole hilarious story at:
ftp://theory.lcs.mit.edu/pub/people/wald/suicide-squid

-- Bill Cleere

Bill Cleere

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Andrea Chen wrote:
>
> Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
> >

They would not DARE!

[damn...the drugs seem to be wearing off...]

Leo...Have you seen Dr. Nutz Berg?

No? Well, isn't anybody even on call this weekend? Where the hell
did they all *go*? There's not even a fucking psychiatric social
worker around. What the hell is *up*?

We.....shall.....see.....who.....are.....the....destroyed....and......
....who......the......destroyers.....

IT BEGINS!

barrett john erickson

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Andrea Chen wrote in message <36B2FC...@earthlink.net>...

>(which was the way of neu neutopia


neu neutopia (n.)
neutered senseless gibberish disguised as psuedo-philosophical vision.

--

bar...@MagneticFields.org
http://www.MagneticFields.org/

"Everything tends to make us believe that there exists a certain point of
the mind at which life and death, the real and the imagined, past and
future, the communicable and the incommunicable, high and low, cease to be
perceived as contradictions."

...André Breton

Bill Cleere

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Leo Sgouros wrote:
>
> Bill Cleere wrote in message <36B3CF...@best.com>...
> I am putting in a call to the doctor.
> I paged him a thousand times with 911 <g>
> I was starting to read Your SS link-great stuff!!

Be sure to get at least as far as the part which
describes the T-shirt, showing each of Sooey's
10 tentacles grasping a different instrument of
suicide.

> so,
> WHAT IS BEGINNING?

I know not. I can feel it, but I can't *touch* it.
Only the Medical Staff (may God have mercy on their
souls) can make the final diagnosis.

"Dr. Katz................Dr. Katz, Dr. Dogz.......
Dr. Katz, Dr. Herz, Dr. Dick Herz.......Dr. Katz..."

"Dr. Chen to the white courtesy phone, please..."

Leo Sgouros

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Jan 31, 1999, 3:00:00 AM1/31/99
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so,
WHAT IS BEGINNING?

Leo Sgouros

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barrett john erickson wrote in message <5XQs2.228$L1....@nntp1.nac.net>...
>I see it as a phenomena that could influence the feelings and opinions of
many people by causing them to take a step back and reflect a bit.
The ulitmate goal should be some sort of "truth"
art is true.


leo

Stefan Elisa Kapusniak

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In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote
in the midst of other things:

> neu neutopia


I have just realised the problem with 'neu neutopia'.

Tho' the phrase seems correctly alliterative, the polysyllabic
'neutopia' comes AFTER the shorter 'neu'. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
-- as any student of polictical rhetoric knows. Also neither
word carries much instant emotional punch with the average
punter.

Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'
of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.

'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
only ONE word, though it possesses more instant name recognition.

I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters
for Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up
members, 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance, and a series of one
day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton -- breaking to the
squid leavened flag'

Hope that helps!


-- Kapusniak, Stefan e

Bill Cleere

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Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
>
> In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote
> in the midst of other things:
>
> > neu neutopia
>
> I have just realised the problem with 'neu neutopia'.
>
> Tho' the phrase seems correctly alliterative, the polysyllabic
> 'neutopia' comes AFTER the shorter 'neu'. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
> -- as any student of polictical rhetoric knows. Also neither
> word carries much instant emotional punch with the average
> punter.

It's not good polyclitical Rhetorick, granted, but therein lies
its weird power. The unconventional scansion creates a pause,
forcing the reader to consider the meaning, or simulacrum thereof,
of the phrase.

By contrast, one could read an entire year's output of a typical
"surrealist" theoretician, and never once be brought up short
as one is by "neu neutopia". The polysyllabic abstractions roll
on and on, gently lulling the reader into a confused slumber,
and ensuring that he will never be jarred by any expression
requiring thought, or even consciousness.

That's why the expression "neu neutopia" makes some people so mad.



> Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'
> of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.
>
> 'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
> only ONE word, though it possesses more instant name recognition.

Is it a domain, I wonder?

Speaking of that, I heard something funny today. We were trying
to find out if there's a top-level domain called ".tv".
There is, all right, but it belongs to the country of Tuvalu,
which is apparently some kind of protectorate or Trust Territory
or something in the Pacific.

Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk
of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
them rather a lot of money.

> I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters
> for Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up
> members, 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance, and a series of one
> day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton -- breaking to the
> squid leavened flag'

I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really
enormous .sigs.

> Hope that helps!

Helps what, or whom, Stefan?

Leo Sgouros

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Bill Cleere wrote in message <36BB80...@best.com>...

yeah what the heck you on about?
Sir Realist

Joe Riehl

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lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com pontificates...
You called?

Jose
--
.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯¯`·.,¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.--.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯

Bill Cleere

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Perceptor wrote:

>
> Bill Cleere wrote:
>
> > The polysyllabic abstractions roll
> > on and on, gently lulling the reader into a confused slumber,
> > and ensuring that he will never be jarred by any expression
> > requiring thought, or even consciousness.
>
> neuy, neuy, neuy
> is so gooy, gooy, gooy
> it's so chewy, chewy, chewy

and it never goes "kablooie!"
having, rather, a taste like
ratatouille



> > > Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'
> > > of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.
>

> Or angel eaters ?

More like angel *dust*, judging by the effect it has on certain
segments of the consuming public.


> > > 'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
> > > only ONE word,
>

> surealityism at work

An oxymoron

> > though it possesses more instant name recognition.
>

> surrlyism of the sub surreal realityisrs

"De-magnetized OverReality"
Theme Park of the Soul's Hoped-for Release
Pezzz, a Fever in Twelve Cantos
Shut up and pass the Orang Utangs.

> > Is it a domain, I wonder?
>

> The magic kingdom of Sir Really and the yawn nights of yore

That could have been us, or someone very like us, long ago,
before the Evil was, that became Shub-Internet.

> > Speaking of that, I heard something funny today. We were trying
> > to find out if there's a top-level domain called ".tv".
> > There is, all right, but it belongs to the country of Tuvalu,
> > which is apparently some kind of protectorate or Trust Territory or
> > something in the Pacific.
>

> Their main income comes from the sale of stamps to collectors.

Why do people collect stuff, Don? That's one I just can't
figure out.

I once found that I had a complete collection of the works of
a favorite SF author. It made me nervous, so I gave a couple
of the books away.

> The capital is called FUNAFUTI and is a popular tourist attraction for
> Italian foot fetishists.

Everybody's gotta be somewhere.

> 96% of the population is literate but the down side is that the primary
> source of reading material is confined to the Christian bible. Part of the
> population are of the Persian Baha'i faith.

That's some weird shit, that Baha'i.

> In the year 1989 it exported goods totaling $165,000 yet imported goods
> valued at $4,400,000.

The balance of trade has gone more favorable in recent years, though,
thanks to the growing popularity of the chief product, "TV Buds".

TV also produces jute and copra.

(Actually, I'm not 100% sure of that, but I remember in geography
class you could usually get away with that answer for just about
any country.)

Sister Mary Inoculata: "Billy, what are the chief products of Alaska?"

Billy: "Whale blubber, Esquimaux, and...ummm...jute and copra, Sister."

Sister M.I: "zzzzzzzzzzz....."

Billy: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...."

[Actually, I'm just funnin' there, because I always knew the answers
to that crap. Fat lot of good it's done me in later life, too.]

> It is supported financially by several countries including Japan and South
> Korea.

TV is officially a not-for-profit country, so Japan and South
Korea get a very nice tax deduction out of it. TV also takes
all of their old cars, and even handles the smog and
registration.

> There is of course allot more information available but space
> prevents sharing the rest.

No it doesn't.

> (I made up the part about the Italian tourists,
> The Island is so remote and tiny it receives few tourists)

I knew that.

> > Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk
> > of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
> > them rather a lot of money.
>

> The tuvaluan $ equals the Australian $ in value. A Tu value

It's better looking, too. It has a picture of King Pong on it.

> > > I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters for
> > Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up members,
> > 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance,
>

> "Bill Cleere's half eaten Hells Angels"
> And just as Lorana Bobbit cuts in, she gets interpreted by Jeffery Dahmer who
> asks " err excuse me, are you going to eat that ?"


>
> > and a series of one day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton --
> > breaking to the squid leavened flag'

...still working on picturing that one. I keep thinking I've
got it, but I don't.

> Dallying with Dali's doll's , Let's get to know Artaud, Messing with Masson,
> Did Rimbaud really know ?, Ernst in earnest, Magritte in the street, Magritte
> - Mind meat or discreet Beat ?, Francis Bacon- Where's the beef ?,

Picabia your nose.

> > I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really
>
> > enormous .sigs.
>

> Dadaist slugs

*Big* ones!

> > > Hope that helps!
> >
> > Helps what, or whom, Stefan?
>

> Help must come from within

Frankly, I think I'll hold out for a dust cloud on the horizon.
"Within" is down to propping up sacks of flour with broomsticks
on the ramparts.

-- Bill Cleere



> > > -- Kapusniak, Stefan e
> >
> > -- Bill Cleere
>

> --Genghis don , Surrealist Kahn , the Shah of blah, and the Dada Don

Leo Sgouros

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Joe Riehl wrote in message ...

>In article <vHPu2.6081$YP1.9...@newse3.tampabay.rr.com>,
>lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com pontificates...
>>
>> Bill Cleere wrote in message <36BB80...@best.com>...
>> >Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net>
wrote
>> >> in the midst of other things:
>> >>
>> >> > neu neutopia
>> >>
>> >> I have just realised the problem with 'neu neutopia'.
>> >>
>> >> Tho' the phrase seems correctly alliterative, the polysyllabic
>> >> 'neutopia' comes AFTER the shorter 'neu'. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
>> >> -- as any student of polictical rhetoric knows. Also neither
>> >> word carries much instant emotional punch with the average
>> >> punter.
>> >
>> >It's not good polyclitical Rhetorick, granted, but therein lies
>> >its weird power. The unconventional scansion creates a pause,
>> >forcing the reader to consider the meaning, or simulacrum thereof,
>> >of the phrase.
>> >
>> >By contrast, one could read an entire year's output of a typical
>> >"surrealist" theoretician, and never once be brought up short
>> >as one is by "neu neutopia". The polysyllabic abstractions roll

>> >on and on, gently lulling the reader into a confused slumber,
>> >and ensuring that he will never be jarred by any expression
>> >requiring thought, or even consciousness.
>> >
>> >That's why the expression "neu neutopia" makes some people so mad.
>> >
>> >> Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'
>> >> of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.
>> >>
>> >> 'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
>> >> only ONE word, though it possesses more instant name recognition.

>> >
>> >Is it a domain, I wonder?
>> >
>> >Speaking of that, I heard something funny today. We were trying
>> >to find out if there's a top-level domain called ".tv".
>> >There is, all right, but it belongs to the country of Tuvalu,
>> >which is apparently some kind of protectorate or Trust Territory
>> >or something in the Pacific.
>> >
>> >Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk
>> >of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
>> >them rather a lot of money.
>> >
>> >> I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters
>> >> for Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up
>> >> members, 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance, and a series of one

>> >> day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton -- breaking to the
>> >> squid leavened flag'
>> >
>> >I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really
>> >enormous .sigs.
>> >
>> >> Hope that helps!
>> >
>> >Helps what, or whom, Stefan?
>> >
>> >> -- Kapusniak, Stefan e
>> >
>> >-- Bill Cleere
>>
>> yeah what the heck you on about?
>> Sir Realist
>>
>>
>>
>You called?
>
>Jose
>--
> .·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯¯`·.,¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.--.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯

sorry , yes, I accidently invoked you.
my bad

Perceptor

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Bill Cleere wrote:

> The polysyllabic abstractions roll
> on and on, gently lulling the reader into a confused slumber,
> and ensuring that he will never be jarred by any expression
> requiring thought, or even consciousness.

neuy, neuy, neuy


is so gooy, gooy, gooy
it's so chewy, chewy, chewy

> > Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'


> > of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.

Or angel eaters ?

> > 'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
> > only ONE word,

surealityism at work

> though it possesses more instant name recognition.

surrlyism of the sub surreal realityisrs

> Is it a domain, I wonder?

The magic kingdom of Sir Really and the yawn nights of yore

> Speaking of that, I heard something funny today. We were trying


> to find out if there's a top-level domain called ".tv".
> There is, all right, but it belongs to the country of Tuvalu,
> which is apparently some kind of protectorate or Trust Territory or
> something in the Pacific.

Their main income comes from the sale of stamps to collectors.


The capital is called FUNAFUTI and is a popular tourist attraction for
Italian foot fetishists.

96% of the population is literate but the down side is that the primary
source of reading material is confined to the Christian bible. Part of the
population are of the Persian Baha'i faith.

In the year 1989 it exported goods totaling $165,000 yet imported goods
valued at $4,400,000.

It is supported financially by several countries including Japan and South
Korea.

There is of course allot more information available but space

prevents sharing the rest. (I made up the part about the Italian tourists,


The Island is so remote and tiny it receives few tourists)

> Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk


> of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
> them rather a lot of money.

The tuvaluan $ equals the Australian $ in value. A Tu value

> > I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters for


> Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up members,
> 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance,

"Bill Cleere's half eaten Hells Angels"


And just as Lorana Bobbit cuts in, she gets interpreted by Jeffery Dahmer who
asks " err excuse me, are you going to eat that ?"

> and a series of one day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton --


> breaking to the squid leavened flag'

Dallying with Dali's doll's , Let's get to know Artaud, Messing with Masson,


Did Rimbaud really know ?, Ernst in earnest, Magritte in the street, Magritte
- Mind meat or discreet Beat ?, Francis Bacon- Where's the beef ?,

> I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really

> enormous .sigs.

Dadaist slugs

> > Hope that helps!
>
> Helps what, or whom, Stefan?

Help must come from within

> > -- Kapusniak, Stefan e
>
> -- Bill Cleere

--Genghis don , Surrealist Kahn , the Shah of blah, and the Dada Don


Leo Sgouros

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Bill Cleere wrote in message <36BD43...@best.com>...


When I was there, it wasnt there.
Had to be somewhere.
So I went there, but it wasnt there either.
So I went to where it was, and I wasnt there and neither was it.
er, something like that.


>> 96% of the population is literate but the down side is that the primary
>> source of reading material is confined to the Christian bible. Part of
the
>> population are of the Persian Baha'i faith.
>
>That's some weird shit, that Baha'i.

noe sh'it, mon


>
>> In the year 1989 it exported goods totaling $165,000 yet imported goods
>> valued at $4,400,000.
>
>The balance of trade has gone more favorable in recent years, though,
>thanks to the growing popularity of the chief product, "TV Buds".
>
>TV also produces jute and copra.

Im impressed by their jute-boxes, and their club, the copracobana


>
>(Actually, I'm not 100% sure of that, but I remember in geography
>class you could usually get away with that answer for just about
>any country.)
>
>Sister Mary Inoculata: "Billy, what are the chief products of Alaska?"
>
>Billy: "Whale blubber, Esquimaux, and...ummm...jute and copra, Sister."
>
>Sister M.I: "zzzzzzzzzzz....."
>
>Billy: "zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...."
>
>[Actually, I'm just funnin' there, because I always knew the answers
>to that crap. Fat lot of good it's done me in later life, too.]
>
>> It is supported financially by several countries including Japan and
South
>> Korea.
>

I smell an illegal Twitium device.

>TV is officially a not-for-profit country, so Japan and South
>Korea get a very nice tax deduction out of it. TV also takes
>all of their old cars, and even handles the smog and
>registration.
>
>> There is of course allot more information available but space
>> prevents sharing the rest.
>
>No it doesn't.

>does


>> (I made up the part about the Italian tourists,
>> The Island is so remote and tiny it receives few tourists)
>
>I knew that.

>didnt


>> > Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk
>> > of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
>> > them rather a lot of money.
>>
>> The tuvaluan $ equals the Australian $ in value. A Tu value
>
>It's better looking, too. It has a picture of King Pong on it.

> Does NOT
It has Prince Vhan Bhan Tran, the Kahn of Salmon products{canned}


>> > > I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters
for
>> > Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up members,
>> > 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance,
>>
>> "Bill Cleere's half eaten Hells Angels"

O could slink my teeth into this!!

>> And just as Lorana Bobbit cuts in, she gets interpreted by Jeffery Dahmer
who
>> asks " err excuse me, are you going to eat that ?"
>>
>> > and a series of one day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton --
>> > breaking to the squid leavened flag'
>
>...still working on picturing that one. I keep thinking I've
>got it, but I don't.
>
>> Dallying with Dali's doll's , Let's get to know Artaud, Messing with
Masson,
>> Did Rimbaud really know ?, Ernst in earnest, Magritte in the street,
Magritte
>> - Mind meat or discreet Beat ?, Francis Bacon- Where's the beef ?,
>
>Picabia your nose.
>

Montgomery Cliff-divers


>> > I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really
>>
>> > enormous .sigs.

I have only an average sig.
Hey I am only five-te, ni-, er something.


>>
>> Dadaist slugs
>
>*Big* ones!
>
>> > > Hope that helps!
>> >
>> > Helps what, or whom, Stefan?
>>
>> Help must come from within
>
>Frankly, I think I'll hold out for a dust cloud on the horizon.
>"Within" is down to propping up sacks of flour with broomsticks
>on the ramparts.
>
>-- Bill Cleere
>
>> > > -- Kapusniak, Stefan e
>> >
>> > -- Bill Cleere
>>
>> --Genghis don , Surrealist Kahn , the Shah of blah, and the Dada Don

Leo the Lion of Lyon, Lyin' Low Lies Like Liquid Love

Andrea Chen

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I find this discussion fascinating and agree with much of it. But it's
also necessary to remember history. When neu neutopia was created
Doctress Neutopia was arguably the most controversial person on the
net. A mere mention of her name created interesting effects, effects so
strong that many readers completely edited out the contents of posts and
projected their own preconceptions into them.

The word also has connections to such things as neuron and neumann (you
are currently using a (virtual, the actual structur is paralell (in
places) but appears sequential to the programmer) Von Neumann
architecture for your computer.)

Those with a further sense of history may recall Neutonian physics as
the basis for a new world, using balloons for such tjings as perpetual
motion machines and sealing off outer space environments.

Joe Riehl

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In article <Jzav2.6851$YP1.10...@newse3.tampabay.rr.com>,
lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com pontificates...

>
> Joe Riehl wrote in message ...
> >In article <vHPu2.6081$YP1.9...@newse3.tampabay.rr.com>,
> >lsgo...@tampabay.rr.com pontificates...
> >>
> >> Bill Cleere wrote in message <36BB80...@best.com>...
> >> >Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net>
> wrote
> >> >> in the midst of other things:
> >> >>
> >> >> > neu neutopia
> >> >>
> >> >> I have just realised the problem with 'neu neutopia'.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tho' the phrase seems correctly alliterative, the polysyllabic
> >> >> 'neutopia' comes AFTER the shorter 'neu'. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
> >> >> -- as any student of polictical rhetoric knows. Also neither
> >> >> word carries much instant emotional punch with the average
> >> >> punter.
> >> >
> >> >It's not good polyclitical Rhetorick, granted, but therein lies
> >> >its weird power. The unconventional scansion creates a pause,
> >> >forcing the reader to consider the meaning, or simulacrum thereof,
> >> >of the phrase.
> >> >
> >> >By contrast, one could read an entire year's output of a typical
> >> >"surrealist" theoretician, and never once be brought up short
> >> >as one is by "neu neutopia". The polysyllabic abstractions roll

> >> >on and on, gently lulling the reader into a confused slumber,
> >> >and ensuring that he will never be jarred by any expression
> >> >requiring thought, or even consciousness.
> >> >
> >> >That's why the expression "neu neutopia" makes some people so mad.
> >> >
> >> >> Nowhere near the richter scale presence of 'Hazardous Harvests'
> >> >> of 'Frankenstein Foods', or 'Department of Defense' for instance.
> >> >>
> >> >> 'Surrealism' has even bigger problems due to its consisting of
> >> >> only ONE word, though it possesses more instant name recognition.

> >> >
> >> >Is it a domain, I wonder?
> >> >
> >> >Speaking of that, I heard something funny today. We were trying
> >> >to find out if there's a top-level domain called ".tv".
> >> >There is, all right, but it belongs to the country of Tuvalu,
> >> >which is apparently some kind of protectorate or Trust Territory
> >> >or something in the Pacific.
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, .tv is just as valid as .uk or .de, but the good folk
> >> >of Tuvalu will be happy to let you use it, provided you pay
> >> >them rather a lot of money.
> >> >
> >> >> I suggest setting up spin-off organisations such as 'Swordmasters
> >> >> for Surrealism', with inappropriate funky titles for paid up
> >> >> members, 'Dominatix of Dada' for instance, and a series of one

> >> >> day self-help seminars like, 'Becoming Breton -- breaking to the
> >> >> squid leavened flag'
> >> >
> >> >I like "Warlords of Surrealism". They should all have really
> >> >enormous .sigs.
> >> >
> >> >> Hope that helps!
> >> >
> >> >Helps what, or whom, Stefan?
> >> >
> >> >> -- Kapusniak, Stefan e
> >> >
> >> >-- Bill Cleere
> >>
> >> yeah what the heck you on about?
> >> Sir Realist
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >You called?
> >
> >Jose
> >--
> > .·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯¯`·.,¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.--.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯
>
> sorry , yes, I accidently invoked you.
> my bad
>
>
>
Two va lu. And Luvah too.
Me for moo. And moo for me.
--Wm Blake

Bill Cleere

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Perceptor wrote:
>
> Bill Cleere wrote:
>
> > Perceptor wrote:
> > >
> > > Bill Cleere wrote:
> >
> > > Their main income comes from the sale of stamps to collectors.
> >
> > Why do people collect stuff, Don? That's one I just can't
> > figure out.
>
> I know the easy answer is anal retentive, butt
> It has something to do with It being there, eating disorders and the need for love

In other words, anal retentive.



> > I once found that I had a complete collection of the works of
> > a favorite SF author.
>

> Don't you mean S&M author (I heard about what goes on at those Frisco book signing
> parties)

Well, you know more than I do. I've made it a life's principle
to keep the hell away from anything resembling a literary circle.



> > It made me nervous, so I gave a couple
> > of the books away.
>

> Gwad , I hope you at least got to color in all the pages.
>
> Sorry if my response got a little Freudian,

I *was* starting to ask myself "What up with *this*?"

> butt
> I have just returned from reading some weird shit on another N G , and it stinks.

That'll happen on your Usenets, all right.

> don (pass the lye please)
> [Image]

Stefan Elisa Kapusniak

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In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Those with a further sense of history may recall Neutonian physics as
>the basis for a new world, using balloons for such tjings as perpetual

^^^^^^^^

ZEPPELINS, ZEPPELINS DAMMIT...

...AND FLEETS OF INFLATABLE STARSHIPS WOVEN FROM GLASS.

FOR WE LAUGH EVILLY AT GAILY COLOURED AND BEAUTIFUL
BALLOONS (FILLED WITH RICHARD BRANSTONS AND HIS FAMOUS
PICKLE) FOR NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN THEIR IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSES DID NOT COMMIT PERJURY AND DID NOT COMMIT
OBSTRUCTIONS OF JUSTICES OF THE PEACE. STOP.

THIS MAKES US MEANER AND SMALLER THAN WE WOULD LIKE
WHEN COMPARED WITH LARGER THINGS, AND THOSE WORDS THAT
MEAN EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

THOSE _OTHER_ WORDS MOVING ABOUT OVER THERE ENGAGED IN
CRIMINAL CONVERSATION WITH CONTEXT WILL GET WHATS COMINg
TO THEM. FOR THEY KNOW WHo THEY ARE, EVEN IF YOU PEOPLE
GET SO DEPRAVE-EATED BY THERE WILES AND WHEREFORES YOU
PRETEND NOT TO NOTICED THAT ALL CELERY THIS SIDE OF
THE RIO HAS LEAVES THE BUILDING. IN DISGUST.


>motion machines and sealing off outer space environments.

I find myself seized by visions of sealing off my outer
space environment by constructing a parcel of brown
wrapping paper one inch from my outer surface. THE
SHINY SIDE AND PARCEL TAPE TOWARD ME.

I warp the universe with parcel wrap. Or something.

Unlike the performance ironist making followups to
John Winston consisting of quoted text the single word
'spam'. Some people don't seem to notice themselves
very well. This worries me.

So contemplate your winding number and ponder the fact
that the Scientologist premises in Edinburgh has a
blackboard outside on the street with the words 'THINK
FOR YOURSELF -- SCIENTOLOGY SCOTLAND' inscribed upon
it in large friendly letters below the chalked in
saltaire (Scottish flag). I see their painting of their
plate glass window black from the inside as another
interesting move.

Also, always succumb to the temptation to see another
movie after watching 'Shakespeare in Love', as otherwise
you have to catch the bus where the Driver and some
Local representatives of male youth and relativistic
confusion about whether the time may correctly be considered
6:10 AM or 6:10 PM, become involved in a flame war
that escalates until the police get called. The
process of taking everyone in the bus queue's, including
yourself, name and details so the Leith police may
get back to one at some point for a witness statement,
taking as long as watching that hypothetical other
movie.

Harken to my words or suffer a similar appropriately
hideous fate.


-- Kapusniak, Stefan e

Dale Houstman

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99 Luft balloons

DMH


Leo Sgouros

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Stefan Elisa Kapusniak wrote in message ...

>
>In alt.pouting.sandwich, Andrea Chen <fallin...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Those with a further sense of history may recall Neutonian physics as
>>the basis for a new world, using balloons for such tjings as perpetual
> ^^^^^^^^
>
> ZEPPELINS, ZEPPELINS DAMMIT...
>
> ...AND FLEETS OF INFLATABLE STARSHIPS WOVEN FROM GLASS.
>
> FOR WE LAUGH EVILLY AT GAILY COLOURED AND BEAUTIFUL
> BALLOONS (FILLED WITH RICHARD BRANSTONS AND HIS FAMOUS
> PICKLE) FOR NO GOOD REASON OTHER THAN THEIR IMPEACHABLE
> OFFENSES DID NOT COMMIT PERJURY AND DID NOT COMMIT
> OBSTRUCTIONS OF JUSTICES OF THE PEACE. STOP.
>
> THIS MAKES US MEANER AND SMALLER THAN WE WOULD LIKE
> WHEN COMPARED WITH LARGER THINGS, AND THOSE WORDS THAT
> MEAN EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN LIKE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.
>
> THOSE _OTHER_ WORDS MOVING ABOUT OVER THERE ENGAGED IN
> CRIMINAL CONVERSATION WITH CONTEXT WILL GET WHATS COMINg
> TO THEM. FOR THEY KNOW WHo THEY ARE, EVEN IF YOU PEOPLE
> GET SO DEPRAVE-EATED BY THERE WILES AND WHEREFORES YOU
> PRETEND NOT TO NOTICED THAT ALL CELERY THIS SIDE OF
> THE RIO HAS LEAVES THE BUILDING. IN DISGUST.
>

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elag

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Ich bin sechs meter gross + alles ist wichtig
Ich bin neun meter gross + alles ist mehr als wichtig
Ich bin zwölf meter gross + alles ist unvorstellbar

fütter mein ego
fütter mein ego
fütter mein ego
fütter mein ego a go-go!


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