Modernism in its nascent state
Aidan Tynan
while Jameson and others have argued that the phenomena of
postmodernism are, in fact, related to the completed project of
modernity rather than modernisation, which related to the cultural
movements of modernism. The call to "make it new" is hardly relevant
if the dominant ideology is one of successful completion or attainment
or triumph, which is the ideology of America and the contemporary
west. Postmodern art and culture is obviously a reaction against the
neophilia of modernism, but is it also what we might call a modernist
reaction to modernism itself? Isn't the postmodern obsession with the
retro, with recycling old forms, simply a desire to make new again
what is now old? Or is it of a totally different order?
-Aidan
James Whitehead
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Surely a single 'definition' for post-modernity would fall into being a
modernist theory - 'of everything' etc. The apparent 'back tracking' in art
might be a result of the dead end on modernism- or the logic of 'making it
new' no longer being new. In theoretical terms though post-modern art has i
think pretty much abandoned theory- for sensation. Thus any theory is in the
eye of the beholder, there was if you like a meaning in modern art which is
no longer present, not even irony. I would question the idea then that
post-modernity has any programme at all, essentially philosophical discourse
is closed of from p.m. by its (modernity's) methodologies etc. Hence the
fashion for retro isn't always aware of its retro nature. The idea of
history and some kind of movement through it is also questioned - well
better - simply overwritten in post-modernity- by a multiplicity of
histories. I think ideas like new/old past/present good/bad etc - which
is typified in modernity is not as much present now, but there is almost too
much presence. There may well be in my generation a nostalgia for the past -
but the present has no nostalgia as there is no past- the past is afterall a
modern idea.
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so I quit the police department....
Ned Ludd
We can't see it. I imagine that an ancient Egyptian, living
toward the end of 1,500 years of continuous dynastic rule - the
son of a father whose previous 75 fathers had done EXACTLY the
same things in exactly the same way, with the same lore, science
and medicine throughout those generations, would see it.
Ned
James Whitehead
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historic past of the Romans and Greeks represented a golden age now lost-
where in was the truth, and so any study to find knowledge involved
rediscovery - a reading of the past, and any civilisation an attempt to
re-create the ancient world. And to be surrounded by the ruins of such
civilisations - buildings, roads aqueducts whose technologies had been lost.
So when the west established its universities the study of the past in order
to find the truth was the methodology, and not the idea of experiments and
progress in a creativity and novelty. Now in the 21st century can we look
forward in art to potential - or in literature - or even technology, or even
to the kind of phenomenon in mass culture of the 60s. we no longer even have
the fear of the apocalypse of WWIII. Todays world seems far more
fractionalised, less coherent... very similar to the dark ages?
James Whitehead
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