Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

The Grits Has Landed

9 views
Skip to first unread message

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/12/00
to
Just as the message title says.

A whole kilogram of raw grits was delivered to my house this morning!

Wow.

All you grits-virgins: expect a report to be posted here sometime soon
within the next few days so that your fears can be reinforced or put to
rest.

--
johnF

"Trochee, I think. Don't quote me on that."
-- Ben Wolfson, APIHNA, 6 Jan 2000

c o jones

unread,
Feb 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/12/00
to
John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38A53A4C...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...

> Just as the message title says.
>
> A whole kilogram of raw grits was delivered to my house this morning!
>
> Wow.
>
> All you grits-virgins: expect a report to be posted here sometime soon
> within the next few days so that your fears can be reinforced or put to
> rest.

I resisted the chance for some free grits. However I should be in Maryland
and Virginia in April, will I be able to sample some in a restaurant then ?

coj


John Larkin

unread,
Feb 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/12/00
to

coj,

those states are on the northern fringes of the gritszone, but you should be
able to find some. Try an unpretentious diner-type* place for breakfast, or
any good truck stop. Apply lots of salt, pepper, and butter.

Happy hunting!

John

* that's 'dine-er', not 'dinner'. A diner is a small home-cooking type of
restaurant with seats by the counter and a few tables or booths along the
front window. Diners are often in the moderne style, looking like
stainless-steel, streamlined railroad cars. In San Francisco, we don't have
actual diners, just expensive fancy places that *pretend* to be diners.


Graybags

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to

John Flynn wrote in message <38A53A4C...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>...

>Just as the message title says.
>
>A whole kilogram of raw grits was delivered to my house this morning!
>
>Wow.
>
>All you grits-virgins: expect a report to be posted here sometime soon
>within the next few days so that your fears can be reinforced or put to
>rest.
>
>--
>johnF
>
>"Trochee, I think. Don't quote me on that."
> -- Ben Wolfson, APIHNA, 6 Jan 2000
>
>

I am likewise begritsed. I shall prepare them to "The Larkin Formula" in the
next few days and will also report.

Graybags - saddened to see Mr. Larkin refusing Marmieâ„¢ in exchange, but
fully understanding of this decision.

c o jones

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to

John Larkin <jjlarkin@highland_SnipThis_technology.com> wrote in message
news:dfmlONOrEZtFQr...@4ax.com...

> On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:53:40 -0000, "c o jones"
> <please_no_spa...@my-deja.com.no.spam> wrote:

> >I resisted the chance for some free grits. However I should be in
Maryland
> >and Virginia in April, will I be able to sample some in a restaurant then
?

> those states are on the northern fringes of the gritszone, but you should


be
> able to find some. Try an unpretentious diner-type* place for breakfast,
or
> any good truck stop. Apply lots of salt, pepper, and butter.
>
> Happy hunting!
>
> John
>
> * that's 'dine-er', not 'dinner'. A diner is a small home-cooking type of
> restaurant with seats by the counter and a few tables or booths along the
> front window. Diners are often in the moderne style, looking like
> stainless-steel, streamlined railroad cars. In San Francisco, we don't
have
> actual diners, just expensive fancy places that *pretend* to be diners.

Thanks for the advice John

I've been to those states before but only eaten breakfast in the hotels
there on my last visit

I have been to unpretentious dine-ers before in other states.

In Utah I ordered a $3.95 breakfast because I wasn't hungry and I was given
enough food to feed an African Village.

Every few minutes the room darkened, when I turned round it was because the
locals kept walking between me and the window.

At a Dennys in California (do these qualify as dine-ers ?) I went and asked
for breakfast and the waitress just shouted to her colleague "Hey, this guy
speaks exactly like you do". When the lady came to speak with me she said
she was South African but they said that about anyone who wasn't from
California (I'm GBoUKaNIish)

How can I get them stop giving me a pint of icy water for breakfast ? All I
want is coffee and hot food ...

Regards

coj


John Flynn

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
c o jones wrote, in part:

> How can I get them stop giving me a pint of icy water for breakfast ?
> All I want is coffee and hot food ...

Wear a sign that says "I am allergic to cold water and will explode
violently upon drinking it - BEWARE!"?

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
Graybags wrote:

> I am likewise begritsed. I shall prepare them to "The Larkin Formula"
> in the next few days and will also report.
>
> Graybags - saddened to see Mr. Larkin refusing Marmieâ„¢ in exchange,
> but fully understanding of this decision.

Marmie(tm)? Is this your pet name for that salty spread? I like it.[1]

[1] Marmite(tm) or the name? You choose...[2]
[2] I'm giving numbered feetnotes a try.

Ben Wolfson

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:29:10 -0000, "c o jones"
<please_no_spa...@my-deja.com.no.spam> wrote:

>At a Dennys in California (do these qualify as dine-ers ?) I went and asked

No. Dennys qualifies as a bad-foodery.

--
Barnabas T. Rumjuggler

...to understand to attention when I'm talking to you and stop laughing,
about human nature, man's psychological make-up some story the wife'll
believe and hence the very meaning of life itselfish bastard, I'll kick him
in the balls upon the road.
-- Monty Python, "Word Association Football"

John Larkin

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:29:10 -0000, "c o jones"
<please_no_spa...@my-deja.com.no.spam> wrote:

|At a Dennys in California (do these qualify as dine-ers ?) I went and asked

|for breakfast and the waitress just shouted to her colleague "Hey, this guy
|speaks exactly like you do". When the lady came to speak with me she said
|she was South African but they said that about anyone who wasn't from
|California (I'm GBoUKaNIish)
|

|How can I get them stop giving me a pint of icy water for breakfast ? All I
|want is coffee and hot food ...
|

|Regards
|
|coj
|
|

coj,

Today it's cold, rainy, and stormy, so rather than make our usual
Sunday morning outing to Tulley's for a pastry and latte, we decided
to stay in. Mo said (or went, or was like) 'Let's have grits!' so we
did. At breakfast, I mentioned the apihna grits thread and your
proposed trip. She said 'Tell him that in Virginia and Maryland, he
can get good grits at the Dixie Diner or Snow White'. Well, I was
fairly stunned; Mo, is after all, from Boston, and I thought she'd
never heard of grits till she happened upon me.

She also recommends the white beans ('white' being pronounced
something like 'whaht' down there) and cornbread. I suggest you also
try the biscuits and gravy if it's on the menu.

Just thought you should know.

John

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
Ben Wolfson wrote:

> On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:29:10 -0000, "c o jones"
> <please_no_spa...@my-deja.com.no.spam> wrote:
>
>> At a Dennys in California (do these qualify as dine-ers ?) I went
>

> No. Dennys qualifies as a bad-foodery.

Is that pronounced like "Denny" with an "s" at the end, or "Denis" the
man's name[1]?

Just interested.

[1] Not to be confused with "Dennis" of course, which is pronounced in
completely different way.[2]
[2] I would do the Larkin Maneouvre here, but I'm intrigued as to what
the outcome is going to be.

--
johnF

"Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
breakfast."
-- from _Alice Through the Looking-Glass_, Lewis Carroll

Sue

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes and I ruthlessly
snip

>
>Is that pronounced like "Denny" with an "s" at the end, or "Denis" the
>man's name[1]?
>
>[1] Not to be confused with "Dennis" of course, which is pronounced in
> completely different way.[2]
>[2] I would do the Larkin Maneouvre here, but I'm intrigued as to what
> the outcome is going to be.

Is the Larkin Maneouvre like a haircut that lets the light shine in
between the eyebrows? Or are you positioning yourself to give us a
chorus of 'De-knee, de-knee', a song title well known by our Ozzie
readers in their time of (k)need?

--
Sue


Ben Wolfson

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:52:14 +0000, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Ben Wolfson wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:29:10 -0000, "c o jones"
>> <please_no_spa...@my-deja.com.no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>> At a Dennys in California (do these qualify as dine-ers ?) I went
>>
>> No. Dennys qualifies as a bad-foodery.
>

>Is that pronounced like "Denny" with an "s" at the end, or "Denis" the
>man's name[1]?

The former.

--
tersely, Barnabas T. Rumjuggler

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to
Sue wrote:

> John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes and I ruthlessly
> snip
>

>> Is that pronounced like "Denny" with an "s" at the end, or "Denis"
>> the man's name[1]?
>>

>> [1] Not to be confused with "Dennis" of course, which is pronounced
>> in completely different way.[2]
>> [2] I would do the Larkin Maneouvre here, but I'm intrigued as to
>> what the outcome is going to be.
>
> Is the Larkin Maneouvre like a haircut that lets the light shine in
> between the eyebrows? Or are you positioning yourself to give us a
> chorus of 'De-knee, de-knee', a song title well known by our Ozzie
> readers in their time of (k)need?

Oops! I did actually mean to type "manoeuvre" but it didn't quite
turn out that way. I blame high spirits.

Oh wait, that's vodka from the top shelf, isn't it?

Ummm... don't worry -- I know where the exit is.

Dr Robin Bignall

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to

"John Flynn" <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38A687AE...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...

> c o jones wrote, in part:
>
> > How can I get them stop giving me a pint of icy water for breakfast ?
> > All I want is coffee and hot food ...
>
> Wear a sign that says "I am allergic to cold water and will explode
> violently upon drinking it - BEWARE!"?
>
> --
> johnF
>
> "Trochee, I think. Don't quote me on that."
> -- Ben Wolfson, APIHNA, 6 Jan 2000
>
>
.. and, to make sure, carry some pure sodium which you can drop into water
just to prove the point. Very spectacular.
--
Wrmst rgds,

RB... (docr...@cwcom.net)

Dr Robin Bignall

unread,
Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
to

"John Flynn" <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38A710CB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...
[slice, truncate and shorten, since we're fed up with snipping]

--
> johnF
>
> "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
> breakfast."
> -- from _Alice Through the Looking-Glass_, Lewis Carroll
>
I can do that any time of the day or night, as my posts prove.
--
Wrmst rgds,

The Mad Dr

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/14/00
to
In article <38A710CB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>,
John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> Ummm... don't worry -- I know where the exit is.

Damn it man! Have you tried the grits or not??? Some of us here are
dying to know about these thingies you got in the mail!

> --
> johnF
>
> "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
> breakfast."
> -- from _Alice Through the Looking-Glass_, Lewis Carroll

"If you've done six impossible things this morning, why not round it off
with breakfast at Milliways, the Restaurant at the End of the Universe?"
-- from "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", Douglas Adams.

Hmmm. I'm sure that place wouldn't be classed as a mere diner, no way!

--

Smilies!

Laury ;-> <who has never had the pleasure (?) of sampling grits
either...>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to

On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, John Flynn wrote:

<parsed snips>

> > Is the Larkin Maneouvre like a haircut that lets the light shine in
> > between the eyebrows? Or are you positioning yourself to give us a
> > chorus of 'De-knee, de-knee', a song title well known by our Ozzie
> > readers in their time of (k)need?
>
> Oops! I did actually mean to type "manoeuvre" but it didn't quite
> turn out that way. I blame high spirits.

<snipped parts>

Does "maneouvre" have something to do with the recent mention of "horse's
doovers"? (Or should that be "horses'"?)

jonathan (jc-e)
http://www.epix.net/~hce/jhumor.html


J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to

On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Dr Robin Bignall wrote:

>
> "John Flynn" <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:38A710CB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...
> [slice, truncate and shorten, since we're fed up with snipping]

> --
> > johnF
> >
> > "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
> > breakfast."
> > -- from _Alice Through the Looking-Glass_, Lewis Carroll
> >

> I can do that any time of the day or night, as my posts prove.

Yes, but if you're on Greenwich Time (are you?), you've got many hours'
head start before we in the Americas begin our breakfasts.

jonathan (jc-e)
http://www.epix.net/~hce/jhumor.html


Graybags

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to

J (& H) Caws-Elwitt wrote in message ...
Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.

Graybags

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to

Depends on how many horses donated their doovers for our use, I
suppose.

--
johnF

"I hope, one day, to feature in your sig....."
-- Rob Saville, APIHNA, 17 Feb 2000

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to
Graybags wrote:

> J (& H) Caws-Elwitt wrote in message ...


>
>> Yes, but if you're on Greenwich Time (are you?), you've got many
>> hours' head start before we in the Americas begin our breakfasts.
>
> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.

As in "Heinz meanz beanz" but "Greenwich mean time"?

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
to
Graybags wrote:
>
> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.

Except it's called Universal Standard Time these days. (I wonder what
the rest of the universe thinks of this?[1]


[1] I am reffering to any such parts of it as may be sentient, you understand.

--
Jens Ayton

Relieve guilt and hunger in one fell swoop: http://www.thehungersite.com

J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to


On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, Graybags wrote:

>
> J (& H) Caws-Elwitt wrote in message ...
> >

> >On Sun, 13 Feb 2000, Dr Robin Bignall wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> "John Flynn" <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:38A710CB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...
> >> [slice, truncate and shorten, since we're fed up with snipping]
> >> --
> >> > johnF
> >> >
> >> > "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before
> >> > breakfast."
> >> > -- from _Alice Through the Looking-Glass_, Lewis Carroll
> >> >
> >> I can do that any time of the day or night, as my posts prove.
> >

> >Yes, but if you're on Greenwich Time (are you?), you've got many hours'
> >head start before we in the Americas begin our breakfasts.
> >

> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.

As in "Greenwich mean Time like Mt. Palomar mean Space?"

Greenwich swings like a pendulum do,
jc-e


J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to

On Sat, 19 Feb 2000, John Flynn wrote:

> Graybags wrote:
>
> > J (& H) Caws-Elwitt wrote in message ...
> >

> >> Yes, but if you're on Greenwich Time (are you?), you've got many
> >> hours' head start before we in the Americas begin our breakfasts.
> >
> > Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>

> As in "Heinz meanz beanz" but "Greenwich mean time"?

Actually, my previous post should have been a reply to this one.[1]

jc-e

[1] A reply to the one I'm herein quoting, that is; not a reply to my
present post -- though that would be a neat trick.


J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to

As in "Greenwich mean Time like Mt. Palomar mean Space?"

Greenwich swings like a pendulum do,
jc-e

(;v>


John Flynn

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:

> I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
> in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
> witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."

You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
that pronounce it as "Green Witch."

Last year, I had a quite entertaining and infuriating time trying to
explain how to say the "-shire" part of UK country names to a
Maryland resident. I gave up, eventually.

--
johnF

"O dronke man, disfigured is thy face,
Sour is thy breath, foul artow to embrace."
-- _The Pardoner's Tale_, Geoffrey Chaucer

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
John Flynn wrote, incorrectly:

> explain how to say the "-shire" part of UK country names to a

County names. Yes... that's what I meant.

Thomas Rushton

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
John Flynn wrote:
> Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>
> > I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is
used
> > in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
> > witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>
> You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have
heard
> that pronounce it as "Green Witch."

We had some badly delivered post here a few weeks ago (two companies,
very similar name, both with addresses like Foo House). The address
had been written as "Grennidge House" instead of "Greenwich House".


--
Thomas Rushton
Leeds, UK

Ray Heindl

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
ne...@pembers.freeserve.co.uk (Alan Pemberton) wrote in
<1e6cxrn.1marj0tj29ueqN%spa...@Pembers.Freeserve.co.uk.invalid>:

>Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote:


>
>> Graybags wrote:
>> >
>> > Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>>

>> Except it's called Universal Standard Time these days. (I wonder
>> what the rest of the universe thinks of this?[1]
>

>It's actually called Universal Coordinated Time, with the initials
>UTC. They're in that particular order so that they don't correspond
>to the abbreviation of any of the major languages' translation of
>"Universal Coordinated Time".
>
>How's that for universal disharmony?
>

NIST[1] calls it "Coordinated Universal Time." I read somewhere that
the abbreviation UTC comes from the government-speak version:
"Universal Time, Coordinated" with the "C" used as a subscript. But
I've never seen it written that way. Maybe that's because ASCII
doesn't do subscripts? Or maybe what I read was just a lame
explanation from someone who didn't know the real reason.

I had always assumed the abbreviation came from the French version,
with the adjectives after the nouns as usual -- like CERN[2], for
example -- but apparently not.

[1] National Institute of Standards and Technology
[2] European Centre for Nuclear Research (I think)
--
Ray Heindl

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
In article <38B277F5...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes

>Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>
>> I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
>> in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
>> witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>
>You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
>that pronounce it as "Green Witch."

Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
Witch"...

--
James Farrar

Steven M. O'Neill

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
James Farrar <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
><joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>>
>>> I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
>>> in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
>>> witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>>
>>You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
>>that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>
>Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>Witch"...

Only in Dylan songs.
--
Steven O'Neill ste...@panix.com
Greenwich, Connecticut is gren-itch too.

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/22/00
to
Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:

[snip]

>You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have
>heard
>that pronounce it as "Green Witch."

And yet no one has trouble pronouncing Greenwich, CT.

>Last year, I had a quite entertaining and infuriating time
>trying to

>explain how to say the "-shire" part of UK country names to a

>Maryland resident. I gave up, eventually.

"Sh-y-r". Although I expect you will say "sure!"

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!


James Farrar

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
In article <88v6o2$5ak$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Steven M. O'Neill
<ste...@panix.com> writes
>>>Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>>>
>>>> I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
>>>> in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
>>>> witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>>>
>>>You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
>>>that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>>
>>Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>>Witch"...
>
>Only in Dylan songs.

and by every American I've ever asked.

--
James Farrar

Ben Wolfson

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to

Ask me! Ask me!

--
Barnabas T. Rumjuggler

Ibi nullus timet mortem
Sed pro Baccho mittunt sortem
-- Carmina Burana

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
In article <0ci6bsk3ugag8t04g...@4ax.com>, Ben Wolfson
<rumju...@home.com> writes

>On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:24:27 +0000, James Farrar
><ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In article <88v6o2$5ak$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Steven M. O'Neill
>><ste...@panix.com> writes
>>>James Farrar <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>><joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>>>>>Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
>>>>>> in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
>>>>>> witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>>>>>
>>>>>You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
>>>>>that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>>>>
>>>>Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>>>>Witch"...
>>>
>>>Only in Dylan songs.
>>
>>and by every American I've ever asked.
>
>Ask me! Ask me!
>

There is a large enough number that, if you disagree, you'll be in a
tiny minority.


--
James Farrar

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
Ben Wolfson wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:24:27 +0000, James Farrar
> <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <88v6o2$5ak$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Steven M. O'Neill
>> <ste...@panix.com> writes
>>
>>> James Farrar <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>

>>>> John Flynn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have
>>>>> heard that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>>>>
>>>> Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>>>> Witch"...
>>>
>>> Only in Dylan songs.
>>
>> and by every American I've ever asked.
>
> Ask me! Ask me!

May I ask you a question? I can? Okay...

How do you pronounce "Greenwich"?

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
Graybags wrote:

> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.

Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
reckon.

For example: England is currently running on GMT time.

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
In article <38B3A3C8...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes

>Ben Wolfson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:24:27 +0000, James Farrar
>> <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <88v6o2$5ak$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Steven M. O'Neill
>>> <ste...@panix.com> writes
>>>
>>>> James Farrar <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Flynn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have
>>>>>> heard that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>>>>> Witch"...
>>>>
>>>> Only in Dylan songs.
>>>
>>> and by every American I've ever asked.
>>
>> Ask me! Ask me!
>
>May I ask you a question? I can? Okay...
>
>How do you pronounce "Greenwich"?
>

The place in London?

Grennidge.

--
James Farrar

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
In article <38B3BFAD...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes

>Graybags wrote:
>
>> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>
>Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
>reckon.
>
>For example: England is currently running on GMT time.
>

Hmm... I'd never heard that one before...

Incidentally, can I take the credit for inventing the phrase "PNS
Syndrome"? :)

--
James Farrar

Ben Wolfson

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:09:28 +0000, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>Ben Wolfson wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:24:27 +0000, James Farrar
>> <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <88v6o2$5ak$1...@panix2.panix.com>, Steven M. O'Neill
>>> <ste...@panix.com> writes
>>>
>>>> James Farrar <ja...@sfgiants22.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John Flynn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have
>>>>>> heard that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably because Greenwich Village, New York is pronounced "Green
>>>>> Witch"...
>>>>
>>>> Only in Dylan songs.
>>>
>>> and by every American I've ever asked.
>>
>> Ask me! Ask me!
>
>May I ask you a question? I can? Okay...
>
>How do you pronounce "Greenwich"?

Grenitch.

--
Barnabas T. Rumjuggler

Irony, thy name is Usenet.
-- John S. Novak III, the Humblest Man on the Net.

c o jones

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to

John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38B277F5...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...

> Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:
>
> > I enjoy the clip of the rookie World Service announcer that is used
> > in the intro to a Radio Four quiz show: "It's twelve hours green
> > witch. Meantime, here is a summary of the news."
>
> You can laugh, but you'd be surprised at how many USians I have heard
> that pronounce it as "Green Witch."
>
> Last year, I had a quite entertaining and infuriating time trying to
> explain how to say the "-shire" part of UK country names to a
> Maryland resident. I gave up, eventually.

I was visiting our factory in Maryland and was talking with one of the
locals. They had one of these copied "You know you are ... if you know ... "
sheets (I can't remember what you were supposed to be) but you "were" if you
could pronounce "Worcestershire sauce" correctly

"That's easy" said my colleague "Woo sess-ter shy-err". All of his
companions nodded in agreement and couldn't believe how a brit didn't know
that

coj


c o jones

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to

Ray Heindl <rhe...@nccw.net> wrote in message
news:38b2aa2a$0$13...@news.en.com...

> NIST[1] calls it "Coordinated Universal Time." I read somewhere that
> the abbreviation UTC comes from the government-speak version:
> "Universal Time, Coordinated" with the "C" used as a subscript. But
> I've never seen it written that way. Maybe that's because ASCII
> doesn't do subscripts?

We could do UT<v>c</v> or say E=mc<^>2</^> ?

coj

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Graybags wrote:
>
>> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>
>Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
>reckon.

What does PMS have to do with this? Is the time zone feeling
cranky and it's suffering water-weight gain in its ankles?
Ummm, wait a second, I think I might have misread the above.
Forget what I just said...

>For example: England is currently running on GMT time.

England is RUNNING? Wowzers! I've never seen a whole country
run before! What's it look like when it's running? Is it
running *to* something or *away from* something? What kind of
speed can it attain?

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :-> <who is feeling a bit cheeky so early in the morning
and hasn't even had breakfast yet!>

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
Wolfson <rumju...@home.com> wrote:

[snip]

>Ask me! Ask me!

Ok, I'll ask you something. Here it goes...

"Why?"

Thank you kindly.

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->


Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/23/00
to
In article <1e6ffhl.or6w2u1flwd6gN%
spa...@Pembers.Freeserve.co.uk.invalid>,
spa...@Pembers.Freeserve.co.uk.invalid (Alan Pemberton) wrote:

[snip]

>The Home Counties might be more fun, as they mostly seem to end
>in sex,

Yes, that would keep the population up, wouldn't it?
Propogation is the way of the future it seems.

>As an aside, Radio Four has just finished a comedy series
>containing the
>most appalling American accents I've heard from professional
>actors.
>Every "aw" sound had the R pronounced so that "cause" came out
>as
>"cores" (homophonic in Britspeak). Perhaps it was part of the
>comedy
>intention; I don't know any more with Radio Four.

In nearly every television show I've ever seen where a British
person is trying to speak with an "American" accent, I *always*
notice that the "r" sound just doesn't sound right. However, I
suppose that a British person would say that any North American
who tries to speak with a British accent doesn't sound right
either.

The same situation occurs when someone from the East Coast of
Canada tries to speak without an accent - I can always tell
because they have a touch of the Irish way of pronouncing
that "r" sound.

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :-> <who doesn't consider herself to have an accent, but
probably does to someone else's ear! :-) >

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to

IME superscripts are generally prefixed with ^ (as in E = mc^2) and
subscripts (especially indices) with [] (UT[c], H[2]0). Then again, this
is mainly from discussing maths with programmers.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:

> Alan Pemberton wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> The Home Counties might be more fun, as they mostly seem to end in
>> sex,
>
> Yes, that would keep the population up, wouldn't it? Propogation
> is the way of the future it seems.
>
>> As an aside, Radio Four has just finished a comedy series containing
>> the most appalling American accents I've heard from professional
>> actors. Every "aw" sound had the R pronounced so that "cause" came
>> out as "cores" (homophonic in Britspeak). Perhaps it was part of
>> the comedy intention; I don't know any more with Radio Four.
>
> In nearly every television show I've ever seen where a British person
> is trying to speak with an "American" accent, I *always* notice that
> the "r" sound just doesn't sound right. However, I suppose that a
> British person would say that any North American who tries to speak
> with a British accent doesn't sound right either.

Take a look in your [Mr Flynn grimaces] neato book on English usage to
see if it has an entry for "rhotic/non-rhotic" and a lot of stuff
should be revealed.

> The same situation occurs when someone from the East Coast of Canada
> tries to speak without an accent - I can always tell because they
> have a touch of the Irish way of pronouncing that "r" sound.

I used to get teased at my last workplace because I have inherited the
Irish "rrrrr" sound from my dad (part nature, part nurture). I hope
I'm not mistaken for an "accentless" East Coast Canadian.

> Laury :-> <who doesn't consider herself to have an accent, but
> probably does to someone else's ear! :-) >

EVERYONE has an accent. You just can't escape it.

--
johnF

"He that will write well in any tongue must follow the counsel of
Aristotle: to speak as the common people do, to think as wise men do."
-- _Toxophilus_, Roger Ascham

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
James Farrar wrote:

> In article <38B3BFAD...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn

> <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes


>
>> Graybags wrote:
>>
>>> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>>
>> Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
>> reckon.
>>

>> For example: England is currently running on GMT time.
>

> Hmm... I'd never heard that one before...
>
> Incidentally, can I take the credit for inventing the phrase "PNS
> Syndrome"? :)

I think you should... perhaps you should start putting a TM mark after
it?*

* Okay -- not REALLY a PNS Syndrome example.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Alan Pemberton wrote, in part:

> John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Last year, I had a quite entertaining and infuriating time trying to
>> explain how to say the "-shire" part of UK country names to a
>> Maryland resident. I gave up, eventually.
>

> The problem is that there are so many different pronunciations within
> the UK itself. As a Yorkshireman I use the schwa ending - Yorkshuh,

I'm a schwa man myself, but when the person to whom you're attempting to
explain doesn't quite understand the concept of the schwa, it gets
rather difficult:

"But how's that spelled? What letters make up this... schwa thing?"
"Well, no standard letters. That's the whole point."

I then gave examples of "sailor", "baker", and "arena", but this too
failed to hit the mark. That was the precise point at which I gave up.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:

> In article <0ci6bsk3ugag8t04g...@4ax.com>, Ben
> Wolfson <rumju...@home.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Ask me! Ask me!
>
> Ok, I'll ask you something. Here it goes...
>
> "Why?"

I am surprised all the Douglas Adams froupies haven't responded with
the predictable answer here...

Ray Heindl

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
jAy...@nettaxi.com (Jens Ayton) wrote in
<38B4768C...@dev.null>:

>c o jones wrote:
>>
>> Ray Heindl <rhe...@nccw.net> wrote in message
>> news:38b2aa2a$0$13...@news.en.com...
>>
>> > NIST[1] calls it "Coordinated Universal Time." I read somewhere
>> > that the abbreviation UTC comes from the government-speak
>> > version: "Universal Time, Coordinated" with the "C" used as a
>> > subscript. But I've never seen it written that way. Maybe
>> > that's because ASCII doesn't do subscripts?
>>
>> We could do UT<v>c</v> or say E=mc<^>2</^> ?

Only if we're using HTML-enabled newsreaders. Otherwise it looks like
gibberish -- which fits in beautifully on Usenet, of course.

>IME superscripts are generally prefixed with ^ (as in E = mc^2) and
>subscripts (especially indices) with [] (UT[c], H[2]0). Then again,
>this is mainly from discussing maths with programmers.

By necessity, the programmers have worked out ways to indicate lots of
things in ASCII, but the only one I see more-or-less regularly is the
caret to indicate exponentiation. I've never before seen [] used to
indicate subscripts, although is does follow logically from their use
for indices. I don't think the average netter would understand,
though.

By the way, what is H2Zero? I make the same typo myself quite often.
I suppose it has to do with a desire to avoid switching between the
letter and number keys too often.
--
Ray Heindl

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Ray Heindl wrote:
> Jens Ayton) wrote:

> > c o jones wrote:
> > >
> > > We could do UT<v>c</v> or say E=mc<^>2</^> ?
>
> Only if we're using HTML-enabled newsreaders. Otherwise it looks like
> gibberish -- which fits in beautifully on Usenet, of course.

<hint>That ain't actual HTML.</hint>


> > IME superscripts are generally prefixed with ^ (as in E = mc^2) and
> > subscripts (especially indices) with [] (UT[c], H[2]0). Then again,
> > this is mainly from discussing maths with programmers.
>

> what is H2Zero?

Hmm... good question. I'd say that the 0 and O keys are pretty close
together, except that I've rearranged my keyboard latout so that the 0
key actually produces an =; I use the keypad for numbers. Ver' strange.
I'm not even a visual thinker.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Ray Heindl wrote, in part:

> By the way, what is H2Zero?

The Hindenburg in the "after" photograph, maybe?

John Larkin

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:52:55 -0800, Polgara The Sorceress
<laurelee...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

|In article <1e6ffhl.or6w2u1flwd6gN%
|spa...@Pembers.Freeserve.co.uk.invalid>,

|spa...@Pembers.Freeserve.co.uk.invalid (Alan Pemberton) wrote:
|
|[snip]
|
|>The Home Counties might be more fun, as they mostly seem to end
|>in sex,
|
|Yes, that would keep the population up, wouldn't it?
|Propogation is the way of the future it seems.
|
|>As an aside, Radio Four has just finished a comedy series
|>containing the
|>most appalling American accents I've heard from professional
|>actors.
|>Every "aw" sound had the R pronounced so that "cause" came out
|>as
|>"cores" (homophonic in Britspeak). Perhaps it was part of the
|>comedy
|>intention; I don't know any more with Radio Four.
|
|In nearly every television show I've ever seen where a British
|person is trying to speak with an "American" accent, I *always*
|notice that the "r" sound just doesn't sound right. However, I
|suppose that a British person would say that any North American
|who tries to speak with a British accent doesn't sound right
|either.
|

|The same situation occurs when someone from the East Coast of
|Canada tries to speak without an accent - I can always tell
|because they have a touch of the Irish way of pronouncing
|that "r" sound.
|

|**** [cut along the dotted line]
|
|Smilies!
|

|Laury :-> <who doesn't consider herself to have an accent, but
|probably does to someone else's ear! :-) >
|
|

Laury,

It's very difficult for me to spot a Canadian accent. The only real
giveaway is the pronunciation of 'about' as something slightly like
'aboot' (Peter Jennings does this, for example.) Even that tends to be
more east-Canadian, I think.

John

(whose New Orleans/New York/California Geek accent fools everybody)


John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
John Larkin wrote:

> It's very difficult for me to spot a Canadian accent. The only real
> giveaway is the pronunciation of 'about' as something slightly like
> 'aboot' (Peter Jennings does this, for example.) Even that tends to
> be more east-Canadian, I think.

By an amazing coincidence, there was a Canadian in the office today
where I work, and everyone thought he was a USian until he admitted
that he was actually Canadian. Perhaps we should have got him to
say "about."

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
In article <38B51F88...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John

Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
>> In article <0ci6bsk3ugag8t04g...@4ax.com>, Ben
>> Wolfson <rumju...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Ask me! Ask me!
>>
>> Ok, I'll ask you something. Here it goes...
>>
>> "Why?"
>
>I am surprised all the Douglas Adams froupies haven't responded
>with
>the predictable answer here...

<cue to Mr. Flynn for the answer...>

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
In article <Il61OLJKB7IzrKjIomRRo08W=z...@4ax.com>, John Larkin

<jjla...@highlandSnipSniptechnology.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 18:52:55 -0800, Polgara The Sorceress
><laurelee...@hotmail.com.invalid> wrote:

[snip]

>Laury,


>
>It's very difficult for me to spot a Canadian accent.

There's your problem! You can't actually *see* a Canadian
accent! V-e-r-y tricky to spot, especially in the dark with
your eyes closed. :-)

> The only real
>giveaway is the pronunciation of 'about' as something slightly
>like
>'aboot' (Peter Jennings does this, for example.)

We don't *all* speak like Peter Jennings. In fact, I don't
think even *he* speaks like Peter Jennings...

>Even that tends to be
>more east-Canadian, I think.

If you ever have occasion to watch "Royal Canadian Air Farce" or
even "This Hour Has 22 Minutes"[1] you will get an idea of the
East Coast accent.

>
>John
>
>(whose New Orleans/New York/California Geek accent fools
>everybody)

FEETNOTE:

[1] Not my fave show in the world, but with only 3 channels to
choose from, Canadian TV is the best I can do...

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
Alan Pemberton wrote:

> John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Graybags wrote:
>>
>>> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
>>
>> Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
>> reckon.
>>
>> For example: England is currently running on GMT time.
>

> I don't think it does, you know. Most people will say 'summer time'
> or 'winter time',

I don't! But then, I guess I'm just different.

> and they won't be able to tell you the offset of either one from
> GMT time.

You're probably meaning the average person. But, paradoxically, hardly
anyone is exactly average.

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
In article <38B51F7F...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes
>James Farrar wrote:

>> Incidentally, can I take the credit for inventing the phrase "PNS
>> Syndrome"? :)
>
>I think you should... perhaps you should start putting a TM mark after
>it?*
>
>* Okay -- not REALLY a PNS Syndrome example.
>

I dunno actually....it might be....

--
James Farrar

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to
In article <38B51F7E...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John
Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]

>I used to get teased at my last workplace because I have ?


>inherited the
>Irish "rrrrr" sound from my dad (part nature, part nurture). I
>hope
>I'm not mistaken for an "accentless" East Coast Canadian.

East Coasters *do* have accents. Try listening to a Newfie
sometime...

>> Laury :-> <who doesn't consider herself to have an accent, but
>> probably does to someone else's ear! :-) >
>

>EVERYONE has an accent. You just can't escape it.

I really wasn't running away fast enough, you see. I just
consider myself to have a more "neutral" accent, that's all.
Nothing spectacular, but it makes it easier to put one on!

c o jones

unread,
Feb 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/24/00
to

John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38B59FC3...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...

> Alan Pemberton wrote:
>
> > John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> Graybags wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greenwich MEAN Time, dear boy, Greenwich Mean Time.
> >>
> >> Greenwich Mean Time has a high PNS Syndrome occurrence factor, I
> >> reckon.
> >>
> >> For example: England is currently running on GMT time.
> >
> > I don't think it does, you know. Most people will say 'summer time'
> > or 'winter time',
>
> I don't! But then, I guess I'm just different.
>
> > and they won't be able to tell you the offset of either one from
> > GMT time.
>
> You're probably meaning the average person. But, paradoxically, hardly
> anyone is exactly average.

VIP persons aren't

coj


Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:

>
> John Flynn wrote:
> > Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
> >
> > > Ben Wolfson wrote:
> > >
> > > "Why?"
> >
> >I am surprised all the Douglas Adams froupies haven't responded
> >with
> >the predictable answer here...
>
> <cue to Mr. Flynn for the answer...>

42. Did you knot now this?


--
Jens Ayton
That's a deliberate cross-thread pune, or play on words; or, as the case
is, spelling.

Barry in Indy

unread,
Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
to
In article <38B51F7F...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>,

John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> * Okay -- not REALLY a PNS Syndrome example.
>
Is that related to PNS envy?

Barry in Indy


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
to
Jens Ayton wrote:

> Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
>> John Flynn wrote:
>>
>>> Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ben Wolfson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Why?"
>>>
>>> I am surprised all the Douglas Adams froupies haven't responded
>>> with the predictable answer here...
>>
>> <cue to Mr. Flynn for the answer...>
>
> 42. Did you knot now this?

"Deed yew knot no this?"

...if the Stupid & Pointless But Apparently Entertaining Spell
Checker(tm) is switched on.

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
to
In article <38B56496...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John
Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

[snip, eh]

>By an amazing coincidence, there was a Canadian in the office
>today
>where I work, and everyone thought he was a USian until he
>admitted
>that he was actually Canadian. Perhaps we should have got him
>to
>say "about."

I'm surprised no one has yet asked the question: Hey Laury!
Since you're Canadian, do you know this guy who stopped in where
John works???"

--


**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

Nothing is so strong as gentleness,
Nothing so gentle as real strength.
-- Billy Browne

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/25/00
to
In article <38B5D137...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton

<sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>>
>> John Flynn wrote:
>> > Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ben Wolfson wrote:
>> > >
>> > > "Why?"
>> >
>> >I am surprised all the Douglas Adams froupies haven't
>>>responded
>> >with
>> >the predictable answer here...
>>
>> <cue to Mr. Flynn for the answer...>
>
>42. Did you knot now this?

I thought that was the meaning of Life, The Universe,
Everything. Not necessarily the answer to 'Why?'

Butt, knot thee Ann sir eye want ad. Dam. :-)

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:

> I'm surprised no one has yet asked the question: Hey Laury! Since
> you're Canadian, do you know this guy who stopped in where John
> works???"

I asked him if he knew you, but he said that you belong to a different
caste or something, and you're forbidden to speak to each other.

--
johnF

"To eat well in England you should have breakfast three times a day."
-- Somerset Maugham

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
> >42. Did you knot now this?
>
> I thought that was the meaning of Life, The Universe,
> Everything. Not necessarily the answer to 'Why?'
>
> Butt, knot thee Ann sir eye want ad. Dam. :-)

Well, I can't remeber the axact wording, but I do know that it was then
decided that they needed to find out what the question was. (The
calculated question turned out not to be "Why?", but the calculator was
broken, so it may have been wrong.)</wibble>


--
Jens Ayton

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
In article <38B7B289...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John

Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised no one has yet asked the question: Hey Laury!
>>Since
>> you're Canadian, do you know this guy who stopped in where
>>John
>> works???"
>
>I asked him if he knew you, but he said that you belong to a
>different
>caste or something, and you're forbidden to speak to each other.

Ah. Aren't you glad I'm in a good mood, didn't take offence and
therefore won't turn you into a frog for that? I thought you
would be.

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
In article <38B7ECBE...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton

<sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>>
>> >42. Did you knot now this?
>>
>> I thought that was the meaning of Life, The Universe,
>> Everything. Not necessarily the answer to 'Why?'
>>
>> Butt, knot thee Ann sir eye want ad. Dam. :-)
>
>Well, I can't remeber the axact wording, but I do know that it
>was then
>decided that they needed to find out what the question was. (The
>calculated question turned out not to be "Why?", but the
>calculator was
>broken, so it may have been wrong.)</wibble>
>

You're wibbling again... You should look at getting that fixed,
Jens, before you start
wobbling as well. :-)

"What's six times seven?" [1]

FEETNOTE:

[1] It didn't take me over 7 million years to come up with that
question...

--


**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

Nothing is so strong as gentleness,


Nothing so gentle as real strength.
-- Billy Browne

* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
> You're wibbling again... You should look at getting that fixed,
> Jens, before you start
> wobbling as well. :-)

Oh, I already do _that_. I did that before I started wibbling, as it happens.

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/26/00
to
In article <38B838BE...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton

<sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>>
>> You're wibbling again... You should look at getting that
>>fixed,
>> Jens, before you start
>> wobbling as well. :-)
>
>Oh, I already do _that_. I did that before I started wibbling,
>as it happens.

So are you saying you start wibbling *as* you are wobbling or
you start wobbling *as* you are wibbling? And what happens
*after* you've wibbled and wobbled for a bit? A spot
of "wabbling" perhaps? Or "wubbling?" Or "wybbling?"

**** [cut along the dotted ling]

Smilies!

Laury :->

Ben Wolfson

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 16:09:51 +0100, Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote:

>Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>>
>> >42. Did you knot now this?
>>
>> I thought that was the meaning of Life, The Universe,
>> Everything. Not necessarily the answer to 'Why?'
>>
>> Butt, knot thee Ann sir eye want ad. Dam. :-)

<wibble>


>Well, I can't remeber the axact wording, but I do know that it was then
>decided that they needed to find out what the question was. (The
>calculated question turned out not to be "Why?", but the calculator was
>broken, so it may have been wrong.)</wibble>


You really ought to be more careful with your tags, you know.

--
Barnabas T. Rumjuggler

In the morning I came awake as I always do, like a man trapped in a car
going over a cliff.
-- Russell Hoban, _The Medusa Frequency_

Graybags

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to

>"What's six times seven?" [1]
>
>FEETNOTE:
>
>[1] It didn't take me over 7 million years to come up with that
>question...


But didn't Arthur find out that the question was really "What do you get if
you multiple nine by six?"

Ford : I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong with the
universe.

Graybags (who suspects it's all just a work of fiction, the universe that
is, never H2G2)

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
In article <89ap5h$pat$1...@gxsn.com>, "Graybags"

<nos...@anywhere.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>"What's six times seven?" [1]
>>
>>FEETNOTE:
>>
>>[1] It didn't take me over 7 million years to come up with
>that
>>question...
>
>
>But didn't Arthur find out that the question was really "What
do you get if
>you multiple nine by six?"
>
>Ford : I always knew there was something fundamentally wrong
>with the
>universe.

Oh no, 9 times 6 is 54. Nothing fundamentally wrong with that;
except that it doesn't qualify as the question for which the
answer is 42.


**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :-> <who hasn't read the read of the series and is hoping
that NO ONE will try and spoil the ending for her by revealing
what happens in the last three books!>

Nothing is so strong as gentleness,
Nothing so gentle as real strength.
-- Billy Browne

* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote, in part:

> Laury :-> <who hasn't read the read of the series and is hoping that
> NO ONE will try and spoil the ending for her by revealing what
> happens in the last three books!>

"We apologise for the inconvenience."

And don't forget to book your scooter from those guys with green wings,
okay?

--
johnF

"An heraud on a scaffold made an 'Oo!'
Til al the noyse of peple was ydo,"
-- _The Knight's Tale_, Geoffrey Chaucer


Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
James Farrar wrote:
>
> In article <89ap5h$pat$1...@gxsn.com>, Graybags <nos...@anywhere.co.uk>
> writes

> >
> >But didn't Arthur find out that the question was really "What do you get if
> >you multiple nine by six?"
>
> which is 42 base 13, IIRC.

9 * 6 = 54
4 * 13 + 2 = 54

::collapses of mental exhaustion::

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
> Oh no, 9 times 6 is 54. Nothing fundamentally wrong with that;
> except that it doesn't qualify as the question for which the
> answer is 42.

How observant of you. :-) However, if you happen to have thirteen
fingers[1], and thus have a base thirteen numeral system, 9 * 6 _is_
42[base 13]. Also, the not-actually-being-42-in-decimal is a subtle[2] joke.


[1] or twelve ann'a figgin
[2] ~ish. Assuming you don't know the basic rule of multiplying by 9.[3]
[3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was asked to
solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the time.)

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
Jens Ayton wrote, in part:

> However, if you happen to have thirteen fingers[1],

[...]

> [1] or twelve ann'a figgin

Ooooh! Saucy, sirs! We'll having none of that there ribaldry in The
Apihna Arms, I'll have you know! Not unless it's strippers' night, of
course, and then we'll all revel its bawdiness, yeah!

John Ward

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
In article <895n7f$eqh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Barry in Indy <sasc...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <38B51F7F...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>,

> John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > * Okay -- not REALLY a PNS Syndrome example.

> Is that related to PNS envy?

Or perhaps: PNSNV.

--
John M Ward
apihna : It's the only NG that truly knows where its roots lie


Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
In article <38B99F0B...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton
<sp...@dev.null> wrote:

[snip]

>How observant of you. :-)

Jens! I withdraw my comments about turning you into a frog! My
apologies. I hope I'm frog-given??? :->

>However, if you happen to have thirteen fingers[1],

I would check this point out, but I don't have enough fingers to
count on to see if I have thirteen fingers... [1]

[snip]

>[3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was
>asked to solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the
>time.)

Oh, absolutely. Me too. [2]

FEETNOTES:

[1] For which we can thank my Grade 1 school teacher, I'm sure.
It seems "counting on your fingers" to do math was, at one
point, considered a fabulous idea. It's only taken 20 years for
me to break the habit, and put aside its teachings. [3]
[2] Well, not really. As you can probably tell, I hate math...
[3] And no, I *don't* make a habit of wearing a habit. Thanks
for asking, though! :-o

**** [cut along the dotted line]

Smilies!

Laury :->

Nothing is so strong as gentleness,

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to
In article <38B984EB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John

Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Polgara The Sorceress wrote, in part:

[snip]

>"We apologise for the inconvenience."
>
>And don't forget to book your scooter from those guys with
>green wings, okay?

With a pained expression on her face, Laury said: "Mr. Flynn!
You're *doing* it... I said *DON'T* spoil the ending for
me!" :->

c o jones

unread,
Feb 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/27/00
to

Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:38B99F0B...@dev.null...

> [3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was asked to
> solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the time.)

There are four solutions to this ...

coj

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
John Flynn wrote:
>
> Jens Ayton wrote, in part:
>
> > However, if you happen to have thirteen fingers[1],
>
> [...]
>
> > [1] or twelve ann'a figgin
>
> Ooooh! Saucy, sirs! We'll having none of that there ribaldry in The
> Apihna Arms, I'll have you know! Not unless it's strippers' night, of
> course, and then we'll all revel its bawdiness, yeah!

"Figgin: a small short-crust pastry containing raisins." -- the
_Dictionary of Eye-Watering Words_, quoted in Terry Pratchett's _Guards! Guards!_.

(Cue discussion of why the word "short" is used as it is in baking.)

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:

> In article <38B984EB...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John
> Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "We apologise for the inconvenience."
>>
>> And don't forget to book your scooter from those guys with green
>> wings, okay?
>
> With a pained expression on her face, Laury said: "Mr. Flynn! You're
> *doing* it... I said *DON'T* spoil the ending for me!" :->

Ah-hah! That's actually the last-but-one book, see? I haven't quite
spoilt the ultimate ultimate ending. Much. Anyway, I didn't want you
to be late for the funeral of M... oh, I'm doing it again, aren't I?

--
johnF

"He that will write well in any tongue must follow the counsel of
Aristotle: to speak as the common people do, to think as wise men do."

-- _Toxophilus_ [1545], Roger Ascham

Thomas Rushton

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
c o jones wrote:


You're making it up -- two of them aren't real...

--
Thomas Rushton
Leeds, UK
Want a free ISP that gives out real tradable shares?
Try: http://www.totalise.net/go.htm?ref=ThomasRushton

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
c o jones wrote:
>
> Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote in message
> news:38B99F0B...@dev.null...
>
> > [3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was asked to
> > solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the time.)
>
> There are four solutions to this ...

I'm aware of that; but once you've got the hypercube root of 81, the
rest really come naturally.

Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
Polgara The Sorceress wrote:
>
> In article <38B99F0B...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton
> <sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> >How observant of you. :-)
>
> Jens! I withdraw my comments about turning you into a frog! My
> apologies. I hope I'm frog-given??? :->
>
> >However, if you happen to have thirteen fingers[1],
>
> I would check this point out, but I don't have enough fingers to
> count on to see if I have thirteen fingers... [1]

Well, yes, but the people doing those calculations weren't actually human.


> >[3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was
> >asked to solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the
> >time.)
>

> Oh, absolutely. Me too. [2]

...


> [2] Well, not really. As you can probably tell, I hate math...

Oh, it's very easy.
4
z = 81

2 2
(z ) = 81

2
(z ) = +/- sqare root (81)

2
(z ) = +/- 9

z = +/- square root (+/- 9)

so, as anyone can see, the answer is

3, -3, 3i or -3i. Obviously. :-)

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
Jens Ayton wrote, in part:

> Oh, it's very easy.


> 4
> z = 81
>
> 2 2
> (z ) = 81
>
> 2
> (z ) = +/- sqare root (81)
>
> 2
> (z ) = +/- 9
>
> z = +/- square root (+/- 9)
>
> so, as anyone can see, the answer is
>
> 3, -3, 3i or -3i. Obviously. :-)

Oh... I seem to have stumbled into alt.numbers.imaginary by mistake.
I can't stay though: I've got a complex about such numbers.

So, if you could just direct back me to apihna, please...

--
johnF

"He that will write well in any tongue must follow the counsel of
Aristotle: to speak as the common people do, to think as wise men do."

-- _Toxophilus_, Roger Ascham


Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
John Flynn wrote:
>
> Oh... I seem to have stumbled into alt.numbers.imaginary by mistake.
> I can't stay though: I've got a complex about such numbers.
>
> So, if you could just direct back me to apihna, please...

Slip past this atom and follow the yellow brick road.

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
John Flynn wrote, in part:

> So, if you could just direct back me to apihna, please...

"... direct back me to apihna ..." ???

I really ought to stay in an "English Language Grammar" frame of mind
when attempting to write in English. I even read that several times
before I realised the order not correct it was.

--
johnF

"He that will write well in any tongue must follow the counsel of
Aristotle: to speak as the common people do, to think as wise men do."

-- _Toxophilus_, Roger Ascham [1545]


c o jones

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to

Thomas Rushton <Thomas...@totalise.DONT.co.SPAM.uk> wrote in message
news:38ba6...@katana.legend.co.uk...

> c o jones wrote:
>
> >Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote in message
> >news:38B99F0B...@dev.null...
> >
> >> [3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was asked to
> >> solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the time.)
> >
> >There are four solutions to this ...
>
>
> You're making it up -- two of them aren't real...

They are still solutions though - remember, if you are not part of the
solution you are part of the precipitate.

coj


c o jones

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to

Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:38BA7A59...@dev.null...

> c o jones wrote:
> >
> > Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote in message
> > news:38B99F0B...@dev.null...
> >
> > > [3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was asked to
> > > solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the time.)
> >
> > There are four solutions to this ...
>
> I'm aware of that; but once you've got the hypercube root of 81, the
> rest really come naturally.

I thought naturally was real and positive ?

coj

c o jones

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to

John Flynn <joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:38BA9311...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk...

> John Flynn wrote, in part:
>
> > So, if you could just direct back me to apihna, please...
>
> "... direct back me to apihna ..." ???
>
> I really ought to stay in an "English Language Grammar" frame of mind
> when attempting to write in English. I even read that several times
> before I realised the order not correct it was.

Yoda the film Star Wars in who was now sounds you like

o j cones

James Farrar

unread,
Feb 28, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/28/00
to
In article <38BA80FD...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk>, John Flynn
<joh...@flynndins.freeserve.co.uk> writes

>Oh... I seem to have stumbled into alt.numbers.imaginary by mistake.
>I can't stay though: I've got a complex about such numbers.

*slap*

--
James Farrar

J (& H) Caws-Elwitt

unread,
Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
to

On Thu, 24 Feb 2000, John Flynn wrote:

> John Larkin wrote:
>
> > It's very difficult for me to spot a Canadian accent. The only real
> > giveaway is the pronunciation of 'about' as something slightly like
> > 'aboot' (Peter Jennings does this, for example.) Even that tends to
> > be more east-Canadian, I think.
>
> By an amazing coincidence, there was a Canadian in the office today
> where I work, and everyone thought he was a USian until he admitted
> that he was actually Canadian. Perhaps we should have got him to
> say "about."

I was born in (and have spent most of my life in) the U.S., but from age 5
to almost 8 I lived in an anglophone suburb of Montreal. There existed for
years a tape recording of me at 6 speaking with the heavy "Montreal Anglo
(/Jewish?)" accent I had picked up from my playmates. I lost that accent
entirely after we returned to the States -- by contrast, of course, with
my best friend of the Montreal days, whom I see (and hear) once a decade
or so.

In addition to "about", I note a distinct pronunciation of the greeting
"Hi". The Montreal version could perhaps be phonetically represented as
"Hoy", whereas I'd characterize the Northern U.S. version I speak as
"Hye".

hye bye,
jonathan (jc-e)


Jens Ayton

unread,
Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
to
c o jones wrote:
>
> I thought naturally was real and positive ?

Positive nonzero integer, shirley?

John Flynn

unread,
Feb 29, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/29/00
to
c o jones wrote:

> Thomas Rushton <Thomas...@totalise.DONT.co.SPAM.uk> wrote:
>
>> c o jones wrote:
>>

>>> Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [3] Which I do, which came very much in handy last time I was
>>>> asked to solve the equation z^4 = 81. (Happens to me all the
>>>> time.)
>>>
>>> There are four solutions to this ...
>>
>>

>> You're making it up -- two of them aren't real...
>
> They are still solutions though - remember, if you are not part of
> the solution you are part of the precipitate.

Hey! Stop raining on his parade!

--
johnF

"I hope, one day, to feature in your sig....."
-- Rob Saville, APIHNA, 17 Feb 2000

Jens Ayton

unread,
Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
to
Alan Pemberton wrote:
>
> Jens Ayton <sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>
> > so, as anyone can see, the answer is
> >
> > 3, -3, 3i or -3i. Obviously. :-)
>
> Iens, I think you meant 3, -3, 3j or -3j.

Only if I were an electrician, or some other form of loony...

Polgara The Sorceress

unread,
Mar 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM3/1/00
to
In article <38BD70AA...@dev.null>, Jens Ayton
<sp...@dev.null> wrote:
>Alan Pemberton wrote:

[snjp]

>Only if I were an electrician, or some other form of loony...

J've never met you, Iens, but J don't beljeve jou would resemble
the Canadjan dollar cojn[1] very much.

FEETNOTE: [1] Our Canadjan dollar cojn is known as the
loony/loonje because of the loon on the reverse side of the
Queen's pjcture. Aren't we quajnt, here jn Canada?

**** [cut along the dotted ljne]

Smjljes!

Laury :->

It is loading more messages.
0 new messages