What would Jesus buy in Christmas?
TheTibetanMonkey
question of shopping being a major form of worshipping...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypgs2s3lEzs
As you may have noticed, there's a HUNGRY LION, which is a central
character of my jungle stories, that they are feeding.
I will go now back to watching the movie since there's not much else
to do, and RIDING A BIKE is out of the question when so many
Christians are out there driving in a rush and minding their own
materialistic world.
I do like to think that by riding a bike I'm feeding bananas to the
lion, and that gets us one step closer toward a frugal, vegetarian
world.
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"Bananas and peanuts are all you need, the rest you must do in
moderation"
Capt. TopKnot
wrote:
> I don't want to spoil Christmas for Christians, but there's this
> question of shopping being a major form of worshipping...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypgs2s3lEzs
>
> As you may have noticed, there's a HUNGRY LION, which is a central
> character of my jungle stories, that they are feeding.
>
> I will go now back to watching the movie since there's not much else
> to do, and RIDING A BIKE is out of the question when so many
> Christians are out there driving in a rush and minding their own
> materialistic world.
>
> I do like to think that by riding a bike I'm feeding bananas to the
> lion, and that gets us one step closer toward a frugal, vegetarian
> world.
>
>
> "Bananas and peanuts are all you need, the rest you must do in
> moderation"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
typing shit iz cheap now please remove yoh leather shoez b4 u eat that
banna,
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> typing shit iz cheap now please remove yoh leather shoez b4 u eat that
> banna,-
Shoes and bikes are good to buy. They don't pollute that much in their
manufacture. Leather is half moral or half immoral.
The bigger the vehicle you drive the more immoral.
I'm getting to this point in the movie: WHAT WOULD JESUS BUY?
What do you think?
Father Haskell
in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 4:49 pm, "Capt. TopKnot" <Veggy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > typing shit iz cheap now please remove yoh leather shoez b4 u eat that
> > banna,-
>
> Shoes and bikes are good to buy. They don't pollute that much in their
> manufacture. Leather is half moral or half immoral.
Not sure about bikes, but shoes, you can make from
hemp. We used to grow the world's finest in old
Kentucky, before it was outlawed.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
Outlawed? Probably part of the Christian zeal against "evil" things
like marijuana or similar plants.
You can't smoke the hemp, right?
Father Haskell
in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 5:06 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 25, 4:58 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
> > in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Dec 25, 4:49 pm, "Capt. TopKnot" <Veggy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > typing shit iz cheap now please remove yoh leather shoez b4 u eat that
> > > > banna,-
>
> > > Shoes and bikes are good to buy. They don't pollute that much in their
> > > manufacture. Leather is half moral or half immoral.
>
> > Not sure about bikes, but shoes, you can make from
> > hemp. We used to grow the world's finest in old
> > Kentucky, before it was outlawed.
>
> Outlawed? Probably part of the Christian zeal against "evil" things
> like marijuana or similar plants.
>
> You can't smoke the hemp, right?
Less than 1% THC, good to smoke only if you want a
splitting headache. Fiber hemp is a completely different strain
from the drug grade plant, bred for rapid growth and long
internodes to maximize fiber length.
jonnie
"Father Haskell" <father...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9676094b-cff2-4c5e...@t19g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
How u know that? you been smoking rope and everything else to get high?
Try Styrofoam next.
Or Carpet.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
So why the moralistic Christians picked on it? They have nothing else
to do?
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
You hate gays and marijuana too?
They are not related, you know.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
stupid and criminal...
'It is said that the Mexican word "marijuana" has a Christian origin.
"Maria" (Mary) and "Juan" (John) are the names of the mother and of
one disciple of Iesus. When he was crucified they were the only people
not to desert him. I think the idea behind this is that marijuana has
often been used by poor and disadvantaged people to make tolerable
what is otherwise hard to bear. In many countries marijuana was a drug
of the poor (e.g. Jamaica, South Africa, Egypt, USA before 1960s)
while rich people drank alcohol. Rich and powerful people have always
been suspicious of poor people and their habits.'
http://www.japanhemp.org/en/shinto.htm#other
Some Christian websites call for the lifting of the ban, but I think
the problem lies at the voting booth, where such lifting is not an
issue. The issues before the Christians are ABORTION, PROSTITUTION,
GAYS, WAR...
Often it's not the case that the Christians are evil, but that they
are instrument of evil.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
rest of their evil ways is that everything has to do with money, not
morals or Jesus...
QUESTION
Do you think police stings for drugs or prostitutes is Entrapment?
ANSWER
I knew someone who was in narcotics and he said the war on drugs is a
huge waste of time if the true goal is to wipe out drug use. One
reason it's done is because of the money that the prison industry
makes charging tax payers from 32-42,000 for EACH PRISONER
incarcarated per year. This is a huge amount of money. Prison is not
the Hilton, believe me. Most of the money is NOT spent on the
prisoners, but goes to the CEOs of the corporate prison system. The
more people in prison, the more money they make. Another issue is that
many human beings will use drugs to deal with spiritual pain no matter
what laws are passed.
jonnie
"TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle"
<nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:261253d7-b59d-4f84...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> OK, let me clear up my position:
<snip crap>
>
> QUESTION
> Do you think police stings for drugs or prostitutes is Entrapment?
>
> ANSWER
<snip crap>
you still here?
why dont you do something, like get a job, or ask you mommie to keep you
busy?
why you spend 24/7 on intenet ?
lack social skills?
must pay for Sex?
Stoner?
yep => a STONER !, still living with his Mommie, has to pay for sex, wants
Obama to legalize all drugs,
MEDICAL OPIUM !!
MEDICAL METH !!
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> yep => a STONER !, still living with his Mommie, has to pay for sex, wants
> Obama to legalize all drugs,
>
> MEDICAL OPIUM !!
>
> MEDICAL METH !!
See, I didn't say ALL drugs, just weed. You want to keep the prices
high and the crime and prison industries going, right?
You sound like the Christian SneakySnake, enforcing stupid laws and
living in hypocrisy while fighting every effort to fix things.
Father Haskell
Dessicated baby adrenals.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
Prophetic, truly prophetic...
"As you progress in the jungle, the hyenas will try to bite you"
Earle Jones
<a6cdb4f7-cc9b-4515...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
TheTibetanMonkey <comandan...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I don't want to spoil Christmas for Christians, but there's this
> question of shopping being a major form of worshipping...
*
I'll bet that Jesus would search for a copy of Ray Martinez' new book
proving that evolution could not have taken place.
He'll need God's help to find it!
earle
*
jonnie
"TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle"
<nolionn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
On Dec 25, 9:08 pm, "jonnie" <nos...@spamless.com> wrote:
>> yep => a STONER !, still living with his Mommie, has to pay for sex,
>> wants
>> Obama to legalize all drugs,
>>
>> MEDICAL OPIUM !!
>>
>> MEDICAL METH !!
>See, I didn't say ALL drugs, just weed. You want to keep the prices
>high and the crime and prison industries going, right?
why hold all that smoke in your lungs, when you can inject directly ?
>You sound like the Christian SneakySnake, enforcing stupid laws and
>living in hypocrisy while fighting every effort to fix things.
yep, a stoner u b
you sound like a flipping monkey too;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubl6lrpKMrs
Father Haskell
enlightenment-in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Dec 25, 10:15 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 5:35 pm, "jonnie" <nos...@spamless.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Father Haskell" <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:9676094b-cff2-4c5e...@t19g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Dec 25, 5:12 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
> > > in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 25, 5:06 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > Kentucky, before it was outlawed.
>
> > > >> Outlawed? Probably part of the Christian zeal against "evil" things
> > > >> like marijuana or similar plants.
>
> > > >> You can't smoke the hemp, right?
> > > >Less than 1% THC, good to smoke only if you want a
> > > >splitting headache. Fiber hemp is a completely different strain
> > > >from the drug grade plant, bred for rapid growth and long
> > > >internodes to maximize fiber length.
>
> > > How u know that? you been smoking rope and everything else to get high?
> > > Try Styrofoam next.
> > > Or Carpet.
>
> > Dessicated baby adrenals.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Prophetic, truly prophetic...
Imported from Pyongyang City, DPRK at *great*
expense. Kim Jong-Il's personal stash. Goes without
saying that it's primo quality.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> In article
> <a6cdb4f7-cc9b-4515-95f7-2ffc23c8c...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>
> TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I don't want to spoil Christmas for Christians, but there's this
> > question of shopping being a major form of worshipping...
>
> *
> I'll bet that Jesus would search for a copy of Ray Martinez' new book
> proving that evolution could not have taken place.
>
> He'll need God's help to find it!
>
> earle
> *
Nobody can convince them of evolution or anything rational. In that
sense, they have the brain of a dinosaur and the body of a mammal.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
But I bet they are very strict about marijuana like America. Only the
fat cats can have it all.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
cyclists as they wish, since they must stay off the roads in the first
place. Then drivers can keep burning gas and threatening others and
the planet without any opposition, even if it means denying the small
and moral cyclist to have a small share of the road.
This is the personification the HUNGRY LION displayed in the movie.
Some Christians though are not that stupid to openly admit their
predation... while others truly refuse to be part of the lie. The
movie ('What would Jesus buy?') is about the few moral Christians who
stand up to the lie-on.
NOTE: He encourages us to ride a bike path... which is the very thing
we are asking for. WE NEED OUR OWN SPACE IN THIS JUNGLE!
On Dec 26, 2:44 am, STB <Savingthefut...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> you must be insane to think it is the christians that drive bad when
> we know it is your kind that does not care and so by not caring also
> do not care about others on the road... your kind are VAIN and they
> are as VAIN AS YOU ARE... so point not to they given teaching to care
> for others but they that are not given such teachings and plain are so
> vain they might kill you and not even notice...facts are facts...you
> are flaky and no one see why you cry about bike for if you were not a
> bit inane.
> IT IS NOT THE RIDING OF BIKES BUT TO MIX THEM WITH OTHERS LIKE YOU DO
> THAT MAKES YOU LOOK SO INSANE...bikes were never made to be on the
> road with cars and only FOOLS do it and only idiots complain cars have
> more rights on roads than they as if they do not have more rights on
> BIKE PATHS on and off the road of the USA and CANADA in most major
> cities so you can cross countries and never share a road with a car.
> So if you ride a boke on roads of cars or sidewalks of people you sure
> don't have any rights of way or passage and steal that by putting
> yourself and others in dangers...most evil thing on a road for cars is
> a biker and most evil for bikers is a car on the bike path... so dummy
> complaiun you don't have bike path and not that you are dumb and try
> to foce cars off or that religions are linked to bad drivers for you
> are the fool and too dumb to see basics of basics...do not share then
> complain they have shares!!!! stay off the roads fool you are a danger
> to cars and the poor victims of you vanity. Do like most of the planet
> is doing...........USE A BIKE PATH!
Father Haskell
in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This fanatical Christian here defends the right of drivers to push
> cyclists as they wish, since they must stay off the roads in the first
> place. Then drivers can keep burning gas and threatening others and
> the planet without any opposition, even if it means denying the small
> and moral cyclist to have a small share of the road.
>
> This is the personification the HUNGRY LION displayed in the movie.
> Some Christians though are not that stupid to openly admit their
> predation... while others truly refuse to be part of the lie. The
> movie ('What would Jesus buy?') is about the few moral Christians who
> stand up to the lie-on.
>
> NOTE: He encourages us to ride a bike path... which is the very thing
> we are asking for. WE NEED OUR OWN SPACE IN THIS JUNGLE!
Bike paths create conflict points at intersections. It's not
bikes that should be segregated to narrow deathtrap lanes,
it's the cars.
whistler
>
> news:261253d7-b59d-4f84...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > OK, let me clear up my position:
>
> <snip crap>
>
>
>
> > QUESTION
> > Do you think police stings for drugs or prostitutes is Entrapment?
>
> > ANSWER
>
> <snip crap>
>
> you still here?
> why dont you do something, like get a job, or ask you mommie to keep you
> busy?
> why you spend 24/7 on intenet ?
> lack social skills?
> must pay for Sex?
> Stoner?
>
> yep => a STONER !, still living with his Mommie, has to pay for sex, wants
> Obama to legalize all drugs,
>
> MEDICAL OPIUM !!
>
> MEDICAL METH !!
He's Europeon, you must have missed that post.
Few can stomach reading more than a few lines of anything he posts.
Father Haskell
Putting peaceful drug users in jail makes politicians look
effective and cops look busy. It's all about the vote.
whistler
> > So why the moralistic Christians picked on it? They have nothing else
> > to do?
>
> Putting peaceful drug users in jail makes politicians look
> effective and cops look busy. It's all about the vote.
It's a job creator (upscale) , judges, jailers, cops, bondsmen,
lawyers, ........
It also creates international intrigue when USA shoves it's
moralizing meddling into the beaurocracies of nearly every other
nation on Earth. Then comes the real corruption and manipulation. A
few get rich, a great deal more get poor.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> On Dec 26, 6:15 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
> in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This fanatical Christian here defends the right of drivers to push
> > cyclists as they wish, since they must stay off the roads in the first
> > place. Then drivers can keep burning gas and threatening others and
> > the planet without any opposition, even if it means denying the small
> > and moral cyclist to have a small share of the road.
>
> > This is the personification the HUNGRY LION displayed in the movie.
> > Some Christians though are not that stupid to openly admit their
> > predation... while others truly refuse to be part of the lie. The
> > stand up to the lie-on.
>
> > NOTE: He encourages us to ride a bike path... which is the very thing
> > we are asking for. WE NEED OUR OWN SPACE IN THIS JUNGLE!
>
> Bike paths create conflict points at intersections. It's not
> bikes that should be segregated to narrow deathtrap lanes,
> it's the cars.
Having being a cyclist and having debated in the bike forums for
years, I can tell all the pros and cons of bike paths. They are good
in one sense though: BRING PEOPLE OUT... AND THERE'S SAFETY IN
NUMBERS. They are also good for families if they are separated from
traffic.
Being realistic in America, and knowing how the money is short, I have
another solution: GIVE THE LANE TO CYCLISTS AND LET CARS GO AROUND
THEM. No money invested, but that would also take bringing order to
our chaotic jungle.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> On Dec 25, 5:42 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
>
>
>
>
> in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 25, 5:20 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 25, 5:12 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
> > > in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Dec 25, 5:06 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Dec 25, 4:58 pm, TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-
>
> > > > > in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Dec 25, 4:49 pm, "Capt. TopKnot" <Veggy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > typing shit iz cheap now please remove yoh leather shoez b4 u eat that
> > > > > > > banna,-
>
> > > > > > manufacture. Leather is half moral or half immoral.
>
> > > > > Not sure about bikes, but shoes, you can make from
> > > > > hemp. We used to grow the world's finest in old
> > > > > Kentucky, before it was outlawed.
>
> > > > Outlawed? Probably part of the Christian zeal against "evil" things
> > > > like marijuana or similar plants.
>
> > > > You can't smoke the hemp, right?
>
> > > Less than 1% THC, good to smoke only if you want a
> > > splitting headache. Fiber hemp is a completely different strain
> > > from the drug grade plant, bred for rapid growth and long
> > > internodes to maximize fiber length.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > So why the moralistic Christians picked on it? They have nothing else
> > to do?
>
> Putting peaceful drug users in jail makes politicians look
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yep, yet another good business in this Christian jungle of hypocrisy
and hight profits.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
Wow, the Christian sheep is actually doing some actual thinking. Keep
it up... and don't talk about this issue with the other sheep.
Sanity
> -snip-
>
> Putting peaceful drug users in jail makes politicians look
> effective and cops look busy. It's all about the vote.
"They" count the ballots and tell "us" who won, unless that too
becomes inconvenient in which case they say “Stop counting those
ballots!” and injudiciously appoint a blithering treasonous moron ala
the 2000 election.
Elections are a farce and a pap for the masses. Elections aver the
public’s trust is and has been reposed, but, being an individual, I
know for certain that no number of people is capable of reposing my
trust in anyone; I require my trust to be earned, and have a mind of
my own.
ANY form of government is acceptable to me, as long as everyone is
accountable to the same set of laws. Such is not the case with United
Snake's Gummint. http://www.sentryhausgsd.com/joinordie.html 1)
Torture is a war crime, and the US prosecuted some Japanese for “War
Crimes” because they tortured people by water-boarding; 2) Outing
Valerie Plame’s covert CIA status was overt treason; 3) Ect. Ect.
Ect...... There is a ruling class that operates above the law in the
US, a feudal aristocracy no matter what euphemism they hide behind,
and it really sucks.
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero; and Rome died,
only to be reborn as the corporate state that has usurped the
sovereignty of the American People.
Speak truth to power. Wage Peace!
Peace, Sanity
Sanity
"jailers, cops, bondsmen" are upscale? News to me.
Father Haskell
Learn when to take control of a traffic lane, and when to yield.
> No money invested, but that would also take bringing order to
> our chaotic jungle.
The only authority worth a damn:
whistler
If you check their pay packages and benefits I think you'll see that
they are comfortably cared for (hence, upscale).
Sanity
Virtually anyone without a felony on their record can get a job
working at the jail. In my personal experience corrections officers
can show up drunk, and all they have to do keep their jobs is be on
time and not fall asleep. Okay, I'll buy your definition of "upscale"
but I say "no class."
TheTibetanMonkey
They are rather instrument of the powerful, though the bondsmen and
lawyers belong to another class altogether: THE VULTURES.
Whoever profits from the pain can't be expected to want to stop it.
TheTibetanMonkey
> > our chaotic jungle.
>
> The only authority worth a damn:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, then it comes to a point that you know you can fight more
effectively through the Internet without all the personal risk,
conflict and humiliation involved. The only way I will take the lane
head on is if it is part of a coordinated campaign. The sidewalk is
the worst and the edge of the road offers not much improvement. Taking
the lane sends a strong message though.
The solution is taking the lane similar to Critical Mass, but in an
orderly way and keeping the other lanes open. And then we can take the
lane every day like a vehicle, not like CM every three months. Any
conflict would be quickly reported to the world. We can't possibly
lose that one. The hungry lion will have to bite the banana. ;)
Father Haskell
wrote:
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yeah, then it comes to a point that you know you can fight more
> effectively through the Internet without all the personal risk,
> conflict and humiliation involved. The only way I will take the lane
> head on is if it is part of a coordinated campaign. The sidewalk is
> the worst and the edge of the road offers not much improvement. Taking
> the lane sends a strong message though.
Not trying to send a "message" of some sort. Just
trying to get somewhere. The only "control" I wish
for is defense of my small 6' piece of space.
When you're biking at or near traffic speed in a
busy urban area, what lane position do you take?
How do you ride through intersections? How do
you make a left turn? Why?
whistler
wrote:
> > "jailers, cops, bondsmen" are upscale? News to me.
>
> They are rather instrument of the powerful, though the bondsmen and
> lawyers belong to another class altogether: THE VULTURES.
>
> Whoever profits from the pain can't be expected to want to stop it.
Over-simplification won't solve anything. Much as you label me a
"Christian" when the Christians don't want me and likely you are
closer to their P.O.V. than I.
Blocking traffic (even only one lane), when what you do though just
and right, will exacerbate an already congested situation and devolve
sympathy for your cause and enrage others on the roadway and perhaps
cause real hardship to some, may not be advantageous or helpful to a
remedy.
Encouraging folks to NOT drive across town to work, car pool, use
smaller cheaper transport, live smaller, more efficient, DO less that
uses non-renewable resource.
TheTibetanMonkey
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Yeah, then it comes to a point that you know you can fight more
> > effectively through the Internet without all the personal risk,
> > conflict and humiliation involved. The only way I will take the lane
> > head on is if it is part of a coordinated campaign. The sidewalk is
> > the worst and the edge of the road offers not much improvement. Taking
> > the lane sends a strong message though.
>
> Not trying to send a "message" of some sort. Just
> trying to get somewhere. The only "control" I wish
> for is defense of my small 6' piece of space.
>
> When you're biking at or near traffic speed in a
> busy urban area, what lane position do you take?
> How do you ride through intersections? How do
> you make a left turn? Why?
You are there having no control over a small space that you can call
your own, so the drivers have the lion's share of the road --and you
don't even get the scraps. Even that edge of the road is often the
cause of conflict and they often blast the horn at me for no reason at
all.
I ride now on back streets to get to the supermarket and back, some 4
miles of stop and go. Riding the roads around here is suicidal, which
I leave for the fanatical believers. I must survive however I can, but
judge that the best chance of me riding the open road is by MAKING
NOISE. It's a survival strategy among the monkeys to alert of the
predator. ;)
Father Haskell
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Yeah, then it comes to a point that you know you can fight more
> > > effectively through the Internet without all the personal risk,
> > > conflict and humiliation involved. The only way I will take the lane
> > > head on is if it is part of a coordinated campaign. The sidewalk is
> > > the worst and the edge of the road offers not much improvement. Taking
> > > the lane sends a strong message though.
>
> > Not trying to send a "message" of some sort. Just
> > trying to get somewhere. The only "control" I wish
> > for is defense of my small 6' piece of space.
>
> > When you're biking at or near traffic speed in a
> > busy urban area, what lane position do you take?
> > How do you ride through intersections? How do
> > you make a left turn? Why?
>
> You are there having no control over a small space that you can call
> your own, so the drivers have the lion's share of the road --and you
> don't even get the scraps. Even that edge of the road is often the
> cause of conflict and they often blast the horn at me for no reason at
> all.
Cars travel in packs, with open road before and after.
Allow them to pass, then take the lane behind them.
Edge of the road is one of the worst conflict points. You
can get doored by a parked car -- you need to be at
3 feet out, best in the middle of the lane. Hug the curb
through an intersection, and right turning cars can take
you out. Take the center lane position when safe, and
let traffic pass once you're through.
> I ride now on back streets to get to the supermarket and back, some 4
> miles of stop and go. Riding the roads around here is suicidal, which
> I leave for the fanatical believers. I must survive however I can, but
> judge that the best chance of me riding the open road is by MAKING
> NOISE. It's a survival strategy among the monkeys to alert of the
> predator. ;)
Try not to get into fights, especially when your adversary
outweighs you by several thousand pounds and several
hundred hp.
TheTibetanMonkey
Well, I'm glad to have some intelligent dialogue. Let's assume it's a
3 lane road. The cars have two lanes all the time and a third one that
they leave for a few seconds. In what significant way that slows them
down, when even when you ride on the edge they must move partially to
the other lane? Some try to squeeze you and that's where the real
danger begins. TWO VEHICLES DO NOT FIT ON A LANE, even when one is a
bike.
Now may I remind our fellow drivers that one bike out there is one
fewer car? And now a question for the general public, Christian and
Atheist alike: How on Earth are we going to avoid Climate Change when
we can't even ride a bike?
Father Haskell
wrote:
That's a major reason why bike lanes are unsafe.
> Now may I remind our fellow drivers that one bike out there is one
> fewer car? And now a question for the general public, Christian and
> Atheist alike: How on Earth are we going to avoid Climate Change when
> we can't even ride a bike?
Some people are a lost cause. Ride defensively, ride
positively. Rising oil prices will thin out the auto herd,
be patient.
whistler
You do go on !
I have likely put more bike-miles on my card than you. When I was 12,
I rode 120mi's (60 out and 60 back) to go and visit Everglades
Natl.Park (Fla, USA), I've repaired bikes (and cars) for $ (and love)
and houses in my later years.
You yammer on about 3 lanes, round here - all 3 lanes (certain times
of day) are all full up. Auto-drivers are generally morons who would
rather be doing most anything other than "driving" (usually to work or
shop or do shuttle-chores for children or old people) and believe that
they can [spank the kids, text their friends, find a better radio
station, eat a snack, and clip their toe-nails] while driving. I am
alive today only because I realized early on that for me to depend on
unthinking-morons NOT to run over me (inadvertently, not
deliberately), was a fools choice. I've had multiple close friends
killed while cycling, and a few more merely damaged. Now, I don't bike
often (I'm over 60), nor do I drive often.
If you truly desire to have significant impact on environmental
concerns you should study city-planning or go into politics or
lobbying.
sagetea
wrote:
>
> Now may I remind our fellow drivers that one bike out there is one
> fewer car? And now a question for the general public, Christian and
> Atheist alike: How on Earth are we going to avoid Climate Change when
> we can't even ride a bike?-
There are options other than bikes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSKizZKN0Go&feature=fvw
sagetea
>
> There are options other than bikeshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSKizZKN0Go&feature=fvw
And these are the shizzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1x-LwjJtsQ&feature=related
sagetea
Father Haskell
Electrified, with regenerative braking. Maybe a solar
charger.
sagetea
>>
> Electrified, with regenerative braking. Maybe a solar
> charger.
these inside a building with you. No more worries about ripped off
bikes. Kryptonite bike locks can be picked with a bic pen.
Father Haskell
Cheap, 20 year old 10-speed with kickstand, reflectors, and
all other useless parts stripped off, reducing mass and resale
value. Remove the smaller chainring to further cut weight. Five
speeds are plenty to traverse the average city's streets if
you're in good condition.
sagetea
>
> Cheap, 20 year old 10-speed with kickstand, reflectors, and
> all other useless parts stripped off, reducing mass and resale
> value. Remove the smaller chainring to further cut weight. Five
> speeds are plenty to traverse the average city's streets if
> you're in good condition.
I have had cheap bikes ripped off before by crackheads. They would
steal someones shadow if they could.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
Lions and wolves hunt in packs too... ;)
>
> Edge of the road is one of the worst conflict points. You
> can get doored by a parked car -- you need to be at
> 3 feet out, best in the middle of the lane. Hug the curb
> through an intersection, and right turning cars can take
> you out. Take the center lane position when safe, and
> let traffic pass once you're through.
You are saying the same thing I propose: THE SAFEST POSITION IS THE
MIDDLE OF THE LINE. But I would stay there all the time as the only
natural and safe position. I can't possibly worry about cars behind
me, but they can easily pass me on another lane.
>
> > I ride now on back streets to get to the supermarket and back, some 4
> > miles of stop and go. Riding the roads around here is suicidal, which
> > I leave for the fanatical believers. I must survive however I can, but
> > judge that the best chance of me riding the open road is by MAKING
> > NOISE. It's a survival strategy among the monkeys to alert of the
> > predator. ;)
>
> Try not to get into fights, especially when your adversary
> outweighs you by several thousand pounds and several
> hundred hp.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Giving the finger to an obnoxious driver caused a violent attack from
him because he wanted me on the sidewalk. It's better to show who's
alpha male/female... the driver.
sagetea
enlightenment-in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Giving the finger to an obnoxious driver caused a violent attack from
> him because he wanted me on the sidewalk. It's better to show who's
> alpha male/female... the driver.- Hide quoted text -
Let em know you mean business.
http://www.philthyhoops.com/images/web_priest.jpg
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
I think it's all good advice except for the latter. While I'd
appreciate all the benefits one gets being part of the government
bureaucracy, I find it too corrupt and paralized to accomplish
anything serious. Even the money that they do spend goes into projects
that are a total waste. Such is the case with all the thousands of
broken bike lanes and paths that are not connected as to render them
useless.
Even my Quixotic revolutionary enterprise has a better chance of
success. ;)
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
We are all welcome in the revolution, including this man...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WZ4LXQrHSw
Yes, everyone fighting the HUNGRY LION.
I give you a preview of our own movie, which is a world premiere...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hwPl7e7OWU
Would you join the hunt? ;)
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
I found it boring.
Father Haskell
That spot-a-pot on a trailer looks very practical.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
"It's easy for me to criticize those idiots who buy things with money
that they don't have or blame the system that encourage excessive
consumption. But at the back of my mind, I know if not for those
idiots out there, I wouldn't get a well paid job. Our economy is
supported by those idiots.
I don't condone excessive consumption. I believe people should live
well within their means. But we also need a new economic system. The
current one is clearly not sustainable for long run."
***
"We should stop feeding the HUNGRY LION, whether we are Christian or
not. I support the Reverend, even though I propose a humanist
solution."
Sanity
LOL!
Sanity
wrote:
> -snip-
> Whoever profits from the pain can't be expected to want to stop it.
Juvenal said that rhetorically in the first century with: “Quis
custodiet ipsos custodies?” [Who will guard the guards themselves?]
“There is nothing new under the sun.” – Solomon
Sanity
Right on! I was riding my bike in the park a couple of months ago and
a guy with rollerblades on passed me, AND I COULDN'T CATCH HIM!
Sanity
http://yikebike.com/ but they ain't cheap, yet.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
I only try to catch up with them when she's wearing sexy tights.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> I believe in God, I'm just not illusional. All animals are animals
> and can be trained if caught early enough, there are only a finite
> amount of paths a person is able to take as time progresses.
>
> Like I said I'm not illusional and Global Warming isn't a question of
> God. The argument of God in GW is irrelevant and diverts attention
> from evidence and data which is part of the reason GW enthusiasts
> bring it up. The "going green" thing is hip and profitable which is
> why companies promote it. Toyota sells the Prius for a loss so they
> can abide by less strict laws on other vehicles. Coke could go to
> glass bottles and save a ton of energy considering the amount of
> energy needed to recycle plastic compared to sanitizing glass. The
> interest in industry is profits, the same industries selling a
> "greener tomorrow". It's not evil like whiny hipsterslike to tout,
> it's animalistic and the way things are meant to work.-
l'm sure religion is a much greater business than going green. Going
green would also hurt the sale of SUVs, motorboats and other
unnecessary stuff. The Prious is still half the price of a premium
Toyota SUV. This is the reality of the jungle...
"In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money
is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole
criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle'
And RELIGION IS GOING TO BED WITH THIS HUNGRY LION, unless he's
someone like...
whistler
>
> > Electrified, with regenerative braking. Maybe a solar
> > charger.
>
link in bottom right (not separate, ie, same link) to YikeBike on
Discovery Channel gives a better look.
sagetea
Perhaps technology such the yike bike might get fuel cell researchers
a reason to go even smaller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sncuy89bjCc
Geode
in-the-jungle <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Someone puts in a comment and then I put my own at bottom...
>
> "It's easy for me to criticize those idiots who buy things with money
> that they don't have or blame the system that encourage excessive
> consumption. But at the back of my mind, I know if not for those
> idiots out there, I wouldn't get a well paid job. Our economy is
> supported by those idiots.
>
> I don't condone excessive consumption. I believe people should live
> well within their means. But we also need a new economic system. The
> current one is clearly not sustainable for long run."
That is my thinking. I know the old theory that an investor in the
Stock Exchange is rational being. I do think that humans are not
rational either. Or at least they are only marginally rational. So,
as the system is working so far, with only minor crisis, we would
continue spending limited resources till the scarcity of oil would
explode in our face.
To change the way we are running goes counterintuitive. If so far all
is running so smoothly, why are we going to risk the present with a
change?
So, we are not rational beings. We are unable to change our course.
it like some of us were like Kassandra. Due to her extreme beauty,
she was gifted by Apollo to predict the future, but she rejected his
sexual advances. Then Apollo sent a course on humanity, for nobody
would believe her predictions.
Leopoldo
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thank you for that valuable insight. Of course we agree and yet I see
a light: GOD OR THE REVOLUTION. Yes, if you believe in God you are
waiting for him to show up, but if you don't you know there's people
smart enough to realize that dilemma and offer a way out of the wrong
path.
HUMANISM
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1
NOTE: I'm open to colaboration with Reverend Billy, who originated
that comment. We are both crazy enough to challenge the HUNGRY LION. ;)
Mavisbeacon
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"whistler" <azwhi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 27, 7:53 pm, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > "jailers, cops, bondsmen" are upscale? News to me.
>
> They are rather instrument of the powerful, though the bondsmen and
> lawyers belong to another class altogether: THE VULTURES.
>
> Whoever profits from the pain can't be expected to want to stop it.
Over-simplification won't solve anything. Much as you label me a
"Christian" when the Christians don't want me and likely you are
closer to their P.O.V. than I.
Blocking traffic (even only one lane), when what you do though just
and right, will exacerbate an already congested situation and devolve
sympathy for your cause and enrage others on the roadway and perhaps
cause real hardship to some, may not be advantageous or helpful to a
remedy.
Encouraging folks to NOT drive across town to work, car pool, use
smaller cheaper transport, live smaller, more efficient, DO less that
uses non-renewable resource.
...Well there is one surefire way to encourage people to carpool and reduce
car use.
Triple the price of fuel and have free bicycles in cities.
But what will the obese people do then? they cant cycle and they cant fit on
a bus.
Bt one has to draw lines somewhere. I mean while one could ban the
automobile entirely this does not seem feasible.
On the other hand why should people who do not waste as much have to cow tow
to rich obese lazy people who prop up an auto industry which makes
inefficient cars?
whistler
> alt.religion.christianity.hypocrisy
>
> ...Well there is one surefire way to encourage people to carpool and reduce
> car use.
> Triple the price of fuel and have free bicycles in cities.
> But what will the obese people do then? they cant cycle and they cant fit on
> a bus.
>
> Bt one has to draw lines somewhere. I mean while one could ban the
> automobile entirely this does not seem feasible.
> On the other hand why should people who do not waste as much have to cow tow
> to rich obese lazy people who prop up an auto industry which makes
> inefficient cars?
I agree, but it's a hard sell.
Just as a great deal of transport can be put to rail, the truckers
and folks in neighborhoods where increased train-traffic will impact
raise a ruckus but so much truck-traffic impacts health and roads,
etc.
Kucinich proposed a tax on fuel to raise the price to $3 and keep
it there, (fluctuating-tax) this was before Katrina, he was nearly
laughed out of Congress, after Katrina gas went $3.10 with NO
advantage to citizenry. Shortly after (within 2yrs, as I recall)
gasoline (petrol) bounced above $4.00 (still, only advantaging
WallSt./) the people MUST be the drivers of the economy but not by
being conned into buying useless crapp on a constant basis.
Why the people want to put so much stock in Harvard-Grad Assholes
with vested interests, little understanding of "real'life" and fully
invested in the contrarries to what the people actually need to go
for, be for, stand for.
Planes are super inefficient (fuel/ton-mile) and should be
exclusively for the rich, by virtue of being ultra-expensive.
The Spruce-goose concept has great appeal by it's capacity and
efficiency which would be well tolerated (imo) even though it would be
perhaps slower by half. It could land in a much shorter distance. The
ramped runways w/ the terminal on high ground which save on both
takeoff and landing would be more easily implemented. There are many
solutions but also many in place systems and interests which will
fight to maintain the status quo.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> alt.religion.christianity.hypocrisy
>
>
> news:b0c153b0-2674-4218...@o28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 7:53 pm, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > > "jailers, cops, bondsmen" are upscale? News to me.
>
> > They are rather instrument of the powerful, though the bondsmen and
> > lawyers belong to another class altogether: THE VULTURES.
>
> > Whoever profits from the pain can't be expected to want to stop it.
>
> Over-simplification won't solve anything. Much as you label me a
> "Christian" when the Christians don't want me and likely you are
> closer to their P.O.V. than I.
> Blocking traffic (even only one lane), when what you do though just
> and right, will exacerbate an already congested situation and devolve
> sympathy for your cause and enrage others on the roadway and perhaps
> cause real hardship to some, may not be advantageous or helpful to a
> remedy.
> Encouraging folks to NOT drive across town to work, car pool, use
> smaller cheaper transport, live smaller, more efficient, DO less that
> uses non-renewable resource.
>
> car use.
> Triple the price of fuel and have free bicycles in cities.
> But what will the obese people do then? they cant cycle and they cant fit on
> a bus.
>
> Bt one has to draw lines somewhere. I mean while one could ban the
> automobile entirely this does not seem feasible.
> On the other hand why should people who do not waste as much have to cow tow
> to rich obese lazy people who prop up an auto industry which makes
> inefficient cars?
OK, no monkeying around here. That I tease the Christians because of
their loyalty to the lion, doesn't make me anti-Christian. Perhaps
they are anti-Christian in the true sense of the world.
Anyways, I'm sure there are better ways around claiming territory, but
things won't happen unless there's a crisis of some sort. The
government won't come knocking at your door and tell you everything is
ready for you to ride a bike. They won't! Now, the happy drivers must
admit they have kept the lion's share of the road and then some, and
the cyclists have simply no place to be. This the law of the jungle
out there: THE MORE YOU GIVE THE DRIVER THE MORE THEY WANT. And riding
on the edge of the road won't encourage the average Joe out there to
come out. We need people, lots of people.
TAKING THE LANE won't slow down traffic anymore than they moving over
somewhat and still leaving you in harm's way. They simply pass you too
close for safety and comfort, and then they still blast the horn at
you. It happened to me more than once this past summer while riding
the edge with my girlfriend. We were simply intimidated out of the
roads...
whistler
I'm sorry you had bad experiences in traffic, especially with your
girlfriend. But you aren't proposing any remedies which haven't
already been tried.
It is what it is, we all need to advocate change, but what change
and how fast and how it gets done are complicated issues involving the
great bulk of population.
If you can't comfortably ride where you ARE then find a better place
where you can better do what you want.
Maybe come to America, everything's perfect here, no traffic, no
SUV's. the streets are paved with gold, it's better than Paradise.
TheTibetanMonkey showing-the-path-of-enlightenment-in-the-jungle
> On Dec 30, 4:00 pm, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@nospam.forme> wrote:
>
> > alt.religion.christianity.hypocrisy
>
> > car use.
> > Triple the price of fuel and have free bicycles in cities.
> > But what will the obese people do then? they cant cycle and they cant fit on
> > a bus.
>
> > Bt one has to draw lines somewhere. I mean while one could ban the
> > automobile entirely this does not seem feasible.
> > On the other hand why should people who do not waste as much have to cow tow
> > to rich obese lazy people who prop up an auto industry which makes
> > inefficient cars?
>
You are actually make some sense there, like if you thought about
things.
Well, I always thought of planes as wasteful but never knew for sure.
Another argument for not flying besides my natural fear of flying.
sagetea
> Maybe come to America, everything's perfect here, no traffic, no
> SUV's. the streets are paved with gold, it's better than Paradise.
A perfect paradise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeNiimZTkeo&feature=fvw
Mavisbeacon
[/quote]
In Europe people pay $7-$8 a gallon.
[quote]
Why the people want to put so much stock in Harvard-Grad Assholes
with vested interests, little understanding of "real'life" and fully
invested in the contrarries to what the people actually need to go
for, be for, stand for.
Planes are super inefficient (fuel/ton-mile) and should be
exclusively for the rich, by virtue of being ultra-expensive.
[/quote]
not really.
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/477/
Take this four seater which uses 20 gallons an hour but cruises at 330mph
for a 350 horsepower engine, 16 MPG isn't bad.
here is a 70mph electric aricraft which has a 1:30 hour battery range about
100 miles.
http://www.alatus.electravia.fr/ANGLAIS/ZAperformances.html
This company claims a flight recharge cost of 60 cents.
full kit cost $20,000 http://www.electraflyer.com/price_list.php
here is a 50 mpg two seater:
http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/887/
http://www.pipistrel.si/planes/1092 250 km on three gallons
This lot do a brand new 4 seater that cruises 150 miles in one hour on 5
gallons
http://www.dynaeromcr.com/
You can pick ui cheap microlights for under $10,000 new ones for $25,000 and
some of the above ones for say $75,000 tops
Here is a brand new for Canadian $20,000 and you vn take off about a third
for US dollars.
http://www.ultralightnews.ca/lilbuzzard/bareboneskit.html
whistler
> "whistler" <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> exclusively for the rich, by virtue of being ultra-expensive.
> [/quote]
>
>
> Take this four seater which uses 20 gallons an hour but cruises at 330mph
> for a 350 horsepower engine, 16 MPG isn't bad.
>
I'll take this one, how soon can you deliver? ..
You make a good point, however your standard pilot (ones that are
still alive at least) and your typical driver aren't even in the same
universe. Plus increase # of craft in sky by a factor of a thousand
and it would get scary. Perhaps technology can overcome but not
likely in time for an old reprobate like me. (plus the cost factor,
for me, is astronomical)
It was reminiscent to peruse the links though, thanks.
whistler
THIS was always my DreamBoat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY_Catalina
Mavisbeacon
On Jan 5, 11:42 pm, whistler <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 5, 10:11 pm, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@nospam.forme> wrote:
>
> > "whistler" <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
THIS was always my DreamBoat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY_Catalina
This is closer to mine:
http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=90
Sanity
> "whistler" <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0a531d08-48a4-4dcc...@s3g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 5, 11:42 pm, whistler <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jan 5, 10:11 pm, "Mavisbeacon" <Mavisbea...@nospam.forme> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <azwhist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> [snip]
>
> THIS was always my DreamBoat:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY_Catalina
>
> This is closer to mine:http://www.catalinayachts.com/yachts.cfm?act=model&id=90
Someone must've come up with a modern amphibious ultralight plane, but
I can't find it on the web.
whistler
I believe (just guessing) that a degree of calmness of the water would
be impracticle. ie, as mass decreases minor variances of surface would
have proportionately greater influence on craft (bounce)
Extreme density difference makes nigh impossible a super-light craft
to negotiate both mediums. (rough theorizing)
whistler
>
> THIS was always my DreamBoat:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PBY_Catalina
Still in use:
and a much better pic...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PBY_Catalina_NAS_Whidbey_Seaplane_Base.jpg
Sanity
Thje Wright Brothers sometimes put a canoe under their early planes to
make then amphibious. Fair dinkum.
whistler
I thought I lost this link, very interesting stuff (imo):
http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Consolidated_Aircraft_PBY_Catalina#About_the_aircraft
Earle Jones
"Mavisbeacon" <Mavis...@nospam.forme> wrote:
[...clipitall...]
My guess as what Jesus would buy at Christmas time is this: One Bible
and one blue pencil, to mark out all the hokum, the impossible events,
the miracles, and the downright lies.
earle
*
As Mark Twain said:
"It (the Bible) is full of interest. It has noble poetry in it; and
some clever fables; and some blood-drenched history; and some good
morals; and a wealth of obscenity; and upwards of a thousand lies."
--Samuel Langhorne Clemens (1835 - 1910) "Mark Twain"