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Lisa Geoffrion

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what graham
crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?

Lisa

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Work as if you aren't getting paid. Dance as if no one is watching. Love as
if you've never been hurt.


Owenbrau

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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Lisa wrote:

>I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what
>graham
>crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?
>

As a US invention, it may not have one. IIRC, they were invented as a bland
food, to prevent the "sin" of masturbation!
Owen

"May be going to Hell in a bucket,
but at least I'm enjoying the ride..."

Jim Roberts

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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See

http://cf-web.org/cystic-l/1998-07/0828.html

Now, try s'mores.

jimbat


Lisa Geoffrion wrote:

> I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what graham
> crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?
>

> Lisa
>
> ------------
> Work as if you aren't getting paid. Dance as if no one is watching. Love as
> if you've never been hurt.
>
>

Scare the horses.


David Matthewman

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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Quoth Lisa Geoffrion on 25 Sep 2000 21:41:43 GMT:

> I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what graham
> crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?

I don't know. What are they? ;-)

Seriously, though, it might help if you described them in a bit more
detail.

--
David Matthewman

Lou

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.
Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
their respective countries.

Lou

--
lou...@bayarea.net

"So enormous, ramifying, and consistent has the evidence for evolution
become that if anyone could now disprove it, I should have my
conception of the orderliness of universe so shaken as to lead me to
doubt even my own existence." - H. J. Muller

John Clark

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Sep 25, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/25/00
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Owenbrau wrote:

> Lisa wrote:
>
> >I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what
> >graham
> >crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?
> >
>

> As a US invention, it may not have one. IIRC, they were invented as a bland
>
> food, to prevent the "sin" of masturbation!
>

Sylvester Graham invented the cracker... Although, given the sugar content
of the modern variety, I'd doubt he would claim it as his own.

It is on the order of say zweiback(or is it zweibach...), with brown coloring
perhaps from molasas.

I think the orignal was intended not only for masturbation, but to contribute
to a diet that did not cause the raising of any 'passion'. (And of course
a plug, which denomination was Graham a minister in???)

John Harvey Kellogg a slightly later incarnation of the 'less sex through
proper diet' type, 'invented' the corn flake(*), which became Will Keith
Kellogg's product of world fame... (*Actually it was John Harvey's wife
that cooked and baked the corn flake tests... so I'd say that she really is
the inventor...)

Copyright 2000, John Clark all rights reserved, in particular
permission for use in reference to any commercial product
is denied.
Copyright 2000, John Clark alle Rechte vorbehalten,
insbesondere kommerzieller Gebrauch ist nicht gestattet.

Miche

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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In article <20000925174143...@ng-co1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:

> I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what graham
> crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?

Closest you'll probably find is Digestive biscuits. And even then I've
had it from authoritative sources (people who've tried both) that they are
Not The Same Thing.

Miche

Bitty

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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John Clark shared thoughts on:

> I think the orignal was intended not only for masturbation, but to contribute
> to a diet that did not cause the raising of any 'passion'. (And of course

Nononono, graham crackers were created to hold the chocolate and
marshmallows together. Otherwise it gets too gooey and you burn your
fingers.


-bitty, who personally prefers her graham crackers as peanut butter
vehicles

Bethany Ramirez http://www.amherst.edu/~bkramire/
bi...@homosexualmenace.com
"Tell me what you plan to do with your one wild and
precious life?" - Mary Oliver

LK

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On 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 GMT, Lou <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:


>They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
>UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.
>Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
>their respective countries.
>
>Lou

Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer? If so, they sound
the USA's like the high fiber of Metamucil (tm) 3.4 gm of psyillium
husk to provide roughage and aid bowel health (and nice for those with
irritable bowel syndrome). The wafers are pretty good, come in apple
spice and cinamon flavors and are best when eaten with water or
juice. (But I doubt using them for baking is advocated.)

Graham crackers are wonderful retangles that can be broken in half,
then in half again, along the dotted imprint, and are available in
honey-ish or cinamon flavor. They are best when dipped in milk and
you race to get the milk-dipped end into your mouth before it falls
back into the glass. Great for sound effects and thrills of timing
and graham fishing with a spoon.

The sweet crackers also come in teddy bear shapes which prompt the
carnivores to nip off paws and heads before devouring the plump body.


I guess means the UK doesn't have Barnum's Animal Crackers in the
circus wagon boxes, either.

At local stores of Asians foods, Japanesse imports of special foods
for children are fun to look at.

LK


Josh Jasper

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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LK wrote:
>
>

[snip]

> I guess means the UK doesn't have Barnum's Animal Crackers in the
> circus wagon boxes, either.
>

Oh, the humanity!

--
Now it is the time of night that the graves all gaping wide, every one
lets forth his sprite, in the church-way paths to glide: And we fairies,
that do run by the triple Hecate's team, from the presence of the sun
--
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Cochon of Delight

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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LK <founta...@yahoo.com>, in article <qgj1tsodekl04aco1...@4ax.com>, dixit:

>On 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 GMT, Lou <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
>>They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
>>UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.
>>Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
>>their respective countries.

>Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer? If so, they sound


>the USA's like the high fiber of Metamucil (tm) 3.4 gm of psyillium
>husk to provide roughage and aid bowel health (and nice for those with
>irritable bowel syndrome). The wafers are pretty good, come in apple
>spice and cinamon flavors and are best when eaten with water or
>juice. (But I doubt using them for baking is advocated.)

Nope, these are *much* closer to graham crackers than to Metamucil
wafers. Don't let the name confuse you; they're the tastiest cookies
(Am. sense) on the market.
--
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pig...@piglet.org Burlingham/Burlingham in 2000!

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Angi Long

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"LK" <founta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Graham crackers are wonderful retangles that can be broken in half,
> then in half again, along the dotted imprint, and are available in
> honey-ish or cinamon flavor.

And chocolate, too. Though I think purists would call only the
original or "honey" flavored ones "true" graham crackers. They
contain graham flour. I'm not sure what that is, exactly, ex-
cept that it's what makes graham crackers graham crackers. :)

-- Angi Long of House Windstalker


Lou

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Cochon of Delight <pig...@panix.com> wrote:
> LK <founta...@yahoo.com>, in article <qgj1tsodekl04aco1...@4ax.com>, dixit:

>>Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer? If so, they sound


>>the USA's like the high fiber of Metamucil

> Nope, these are *much* closer to graham crackers than to Metamucil


> wafers. Don't let the name confuse you; they're the tastiest cookies
> (Am. sense) on the market.

They are good! They are made with whole wheat flour and oats, so
I imagine they are somewhat higher in fibre than regular cookies,
but they not considered a dietary suppliment these days (I'm
assuming they originally were, and that's where the name came from).
They have a slightly sweet, slightly salty flavour. The plain ones
are often eaten with cheese, and they are also available with one
side coated with chocolate.

Here's a recipe I found:

http://www.cookierecipe.com/az/DigestiveBiscuits.asp

piranha

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"Angi Long" <angi...@home.com> writes:
>
> And chocolate, too. Though I think purists would call only the
> original or "honey" flavored ones "true" graham crackers. They
> contain graham flour. I'm not sure what that is, exactly, ex-
> cept that it's what makes graham crackers graham crackers. :)

*snicker*. "graham flour" is whole wheat flour. i suspect
that the crackers get their name from some person (my dvd is
swapped out, so i can't look it up right now; which gives
somebody else the chance to flex zir research muscle).
--
-piranha


~M~

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Sep 26, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/26/00
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piranha wrote in message ...

>"Angi Long" <angi...@home.com> writes:
>>
>> contain graham flour. I'm not sure what that is, exactly, ex-
>> cept that it's what makes graham crackers graham crackers. :)
>
> *snicker*. "graham flour" is whole wheat flour. i suspect
> that the crackers get their name from some person (my dvd is
> swapped out, so i can't look it up right now; which gives
> somebody else the chance to flex zir research muscle).

Indeed, whole wheat flour - coursely ground. It is named after Dr.
Sylvester Graham who developed the graham cracker in the 1800's,
according to an Oregon State University website called Food Resource.

A Nabisco press release dated 31-Jul-00 says:

"Nabisco, the nation’s largest manufacturer of cookies and crackers,
celebrates the 75th anniversary of Honey Maid Graham Crackers, the
world’s most popular graham cracker. For more than seven generations
Americans have topped them, crunched them and dunked them to the tune
of 74 million pounds a year. Today, their consumption is so widespread
that if all of the Honey Maid Graham Crackers consumed in just one
year were placed end to end they would circle the earth 42 times."

-m

Lynn Dobbs

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In article <8qqnm3$7vi$1...@panix3.panix.com>, Cochon of
Delight at pig...@panix.com says...
> >On 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 GMT, Lou <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
> >>They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
> >>UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.
> >>Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
> >>their respective countries.
>
> >Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer? If so, they sound
> >the USA's like the high fiber of Metamucil (tm) 3.4 gm of psyillium
> >husk to provide roughage and aid bowel health (and nice for those with
> >irritable bowel syndrome). The wafers are pretty good, come in apple
> >spice and cinamon flavors and are best when eaten with water or
> >juice. (But I doubt using them for baking is advocated.)
>
> Nope, these are *much* closer to graham crackers than to Metamucil
> wafers. Don't let the name confuse you; they're the tastiest cookies
> (Am. sense) on the market.

I fell in love with McVitty's digestive biscuits with plain
chocolate. Dipping these in my afternoon tea as the desert
to scones and clotted cream. Truly a great reason to visit
the UK. That and a good stout. :)

I love the fact that "plain chocolate" in Europe translates
to very rich, very dark, very chocolate in the US.

--
Peace, Love and Justice,
Lynn Dobbs

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www.lambdaletters.org | you wish to see in the
www.hai.org | world." M.K. Gandhi

Miche

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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In article <qgj1tsodekl04aco1...@4ax.com>, LK
<founta...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 GMT, Lou <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
>
>
> >They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are
about the closest
> >UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more
cookie-like.
> >Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make
cheesecake bases, in
> >their respective countries.
> >

> >Lou


>
> Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer?

Not specifically.

[snip]

> The sweet crackers also come in teddy bear shapes which prompt the
> carnivores to nip off paws and heads before devouring the plump body.

Naw, you bite the feet off so they can't run away.

> I guess means the UK doesn't have Barnum's Animal Crackers in the
> circus wagon boxes, either.

Nope. We in NZ have iced animal biscuits though.

Miche

Louise

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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In <qgj1tsodekl04aco1...@4ax.com>, LK
<founta...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 GMT, Lou <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
>
>
>>They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
>>UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.
>>Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
>>their respective countries.
>>
>>Lou
>

>Are these "digestive biscuits" a high fiber wafer? If so, they sound
>the USA's like the high fiber of Metamucil (tm) 3.4 gm of psyillium
>husk to provide roughage and aid bowel health (and nice for those with
>irritable bowel syndrome).

Nope, nothing like them. Maybe the closest thing to them on the
American market is the arrowroot biscuits marketed for babies. Both
arrowroot biscuits and disgestives are slightly sweet and good dipped
in coffee. Digestives crumble more easily (maybe that means they have
more butter in them?). In Canada they are sold by Peek Freans, both
plain and with one side dipped in chocolate. Graham wafers seem to be
more coarse in texture than digestive biscuits. They're okay dipped
in tea or coffee too.

>Graham crackers are wonderful retangles that can be broken in half,
>then in half again, along the dotted imprint, and are available in

>honey-ish or cinamon flavor. They are best when dipped in milk and
>you race to get the milk-dipped end into your mouth before it falls
>back into the glass. Great for sound effects and thrills of timing
>and graham fishing with a spoon.

I guess I'm not in the habit of dipping anything in my milk. (Maybe
that's because when I drink milk it's usually at meals and with other
people?) If I did dip something in milk, it would be Oreos.

Louise,
also recommending the dipping combination of grilled-cheese sandwiches
and Campbell's tomato soup.
* Louise lou...@cyberus.ca *
* http://www.cyberus.ca/~louise/books.htm *

Angi Long

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Sep 27, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/27/00
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"Lou" <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
> They are good! They are made with whole wheat flour and oats, so
> I imagine they are somewhat higher in fibre than regular cookies,
> but they not considered a dietary suppliment these days (I'm
> assuming they originally were, and that's where the name came from).
> They have a slightly sweet, slightly salty flavour. The plain ones
> are often eaten with cheese, and they are also available with one
> side coated with chocolate.

That doesn't sound too much like graham crackers. Graham crackers
are not salty at all, just sweet and mild, and I don't think they'd
be very good with cheese. The closest thing I can think of offhand,
if you've never had a graham cracker itself, is to think of thin
dry gingerbread, minus the ginger.

Lou

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Angi Long <angi...@home.com> wrote:

> "Lou" <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
>> They have a slightly sweet, slightly salty flavour. The plain ones
>> are often eaten with cheese, and they are also available with one
>> side coated with chocolate.

> That doesn't sound too much like graham crackers. Graham crackers
> are not salty at all, just sweet and mild, and I don't think they'd
> be very good with cheese.

I wouldn't eat graham crackers with cheese either, but even with the
digestive biscuits, it is a sweet/savoury contrast. They are similar
enough that in the UK digestive biscuits are used to make cheesecake
bases, whereas in the US graham crackers are used for that purpose.
It's more the slightly sweet, whole-wheat flavour that they have in
common, I guess. The texture is different though.

> The closest thing I can think of offhand,
> if you've never had a graham cracker itself, is to think of thin
> dry gingerbread, minus the ginger.

Yes, that's probably not a bad way to describe them, especially
texture-wise.

Jim Roberts

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Lou wrote:

> Angi Long <angi...@home.com> wrote:
> > "Lou" <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
> >> They have a slightly sweet, slightly salty flavour. The plain ones
> >> are often eaten with cheese, and they are also available with one
> >> side coated with chocolate.
>
> > That doesn't sound too much like graham crackers. Graham crackers
> > are not salty at all, just sweet and mild, and I don't think they'd
> > be very good with cheese.
>
> I wouldn't eat graham crackers with cheese either, but even with the
> digestive biscuits, it is a sweet/savoury contrast. They are similar
> enough that in the UK digestive biscuits are used to make cheesecake
> bases, whereas in the US graham crackers are used for that purpose.
> It's more the slightly sweet, whole-wheat flavour that they have in
> common, I guess. The texture is different though.

Woesomely wrong, all.

jimbat

LK

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:17:20 -0700, "~M~" <misch...@altavista.net>
wrote:

>A Nabisco press release dated 31-Jul-00 says:
>

[snip]


> Today, their consumption is so widespread
>that if all of the Honey Maid Graham Crackers consumed in just one

>year were placed end to end they would circle the earth 42 times."
>

After we spent all that money on launching satilities...

LK


Kris Dow

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Oct 7, 2000, 12:50:55 AM10/7/00
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:28:13 GMT, Angi Long <angi...@home.com> wrote:
>"Lou" <lou...@baygate.bayarea.net> wrote:
>> They are good! They are made with whole wheat flour and oats, so
>> I imagine they are somewhat higher in fibre than regular cookies,
>> but they not considered a dietary suppliment these days (I'm
>> assuming they originally were, and that's where the name came from).
>> They have a slightly sweet, slightly salty flavour. The plain ones
>> are often eaten with cheese, and they are also available with one
>> side coated with chocolate.
>
>That doesn't sound too much like graham crackers. Graham crackers
>are not salty at all, just sweet and mild, and I don't think they'd
>be very good with cheese. The closest thing I can think of offhand,

>if you've never had a graham cracker itself, is to think of thin
>dry gingerbread, minus the ginger.
>

Personally, I cannot imagine having a digestive biscuit with
cheese. Ew.

They make a passable "graham cracker" crust, but they aren't
identical. They do, however, share a lot of the same properties. It
may depend on which brand of digestives you get- I've had ones that
were more graham crackery than others.

-Kris

Lisa Geoffrion

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> kr...@vilnya.demon.co.uk (Kris Dow) in >Message-id:
<slrn8tt3sf...@vilnya.rings> wrote:

(about digestive biscuits)


>They do, however, share a lot of the same properties. It
>may depend on which brand of digestives you get- I've had ones that
>were more graham crackery than others.

When I was in first grade, in '67, we would be given graham crackers and little
pint cartons of whole milk, as a mid-morning snack. What would they give the
little kids as a snack like this in England (or any other place)?

Lisa



Miche

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Oct 8, 2000, 10:07:55 PM10/8/00
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In article <20001008202727...@ng-cp1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:

It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
phased out, then the milk.

Miche

Lisa Geoffrion

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>mi...@technologist.com (Miche) in >Message-id:
<miche-09100...@dialup084.albatross.co.nz> wrote:

(about snacks in grade school)


>It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
>phased out, then the milk.
>

What, no snacks? At all? Well, our school doesn't provide snacks, either.
The parents have to provide them. Some classes have parents provide individual
snacks to kids, and some classes ask parents to provide the snack for the whole
class, every so often.

Lisa (remembering how she looked forward to the graham crackers and warm-ish
milk)


Sandra

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Miche <mi...@technologist.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the
blood red wine, and cried:

>>
>> When I was in first grade, in '67, we would be given graham crackers and
>little
>> pint cartons of whole milk, as a mid-morning snack. What would they give the
>> little kids as a snack like this in England (or any other place)?
>
>It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
>phased out, then the milk.
>
We used to get milk too when I was little, but the then Minister of
Education, a certain Margaret Thatcher, abolished it. She earned the
nickname 'Thatcher the Milk Snatcher' as a result. The first of many
derogatory epithets...

Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a
thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?

Sandra
--
San...@get.fucked.org.uk: yes, it's a real address, I swear
PolyCode: G++* F+ k-- jw? q+++++ s--? l++> NPo A++
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LK

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On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:59:53 +0100, Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk>
wrote:

>
>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a
>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
>delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?
>
Chocolate cookies are welcome. Cheesecake will get you almost
anywhere with me...but you'll have drag my attention away from the
cheesecake first.

Usually you can say whatever you want as an intro provided it isn't a
proclaimation that you have the one, the only, best to conduct poly
relationsihps or that you are more highly evolved beyond insecurity or
jealousy. Or think R.A. Heinlien (sp) invented polyamory. Or
anything that sounds like a personal ad i.e., no measurements, or
coloration of body parts.

Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
or are jewelry laden? (I gave up my jewelry for early motherhood and
haven't gotten back into it yet.)

LK


Heather Anne Nicoll

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Oct 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/9/00
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LK <founta...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
> or are jewelry laden? (I gave up my jewelry for early motherhood and
> haven't gotten back into it yet.)

I gots no holes in me that the gods didn't put there.

On the other hand, I'm a jewelry nut. The actual things shift over
time, but currently it's four rings and two pendants, though the
pendants are on the same cord. (That's the rings from the latter two
proposals of marriage from the partner, my high school class ring, and
my fidget ring; the pendants are a pentacle and a triskelion.)

In the past the assortment of shiny things has included a dragon pendant
given to me by a past lover (currently in my lockbox with my paper
letters); a woven bracelet made by a friend as a charm to keep me sane
and in the Boston area when I was kicked out of school (it worked; I
wore it until it disintegrated and by then was past danger); a good luck
charm blessed by another friend; and the first engagement ring, which is
tucked into my storage space next to The Chair.

My jewelry tends to accrue resonances for me, depending on the
circumstances of its acquisition and what it means to me.

- Darkhawk, who feels -weird- when she takes her rings off


--
Heather Nicoll - Darkhawk - http://aelfhame.net/~darkhawk/
We can move with savage grace
To the rhythms of the night. . . .
- Rush, "Force Ten"

Vicki Rosenzweig

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Quoth Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> on Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:59:53
+0100:

>Miche <mi...@technologist.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the
>blood red wine, and cried:
>>>

>>> When I was in first grade, in '67, we would be given graham crackers and
>>little
>>> pint cartons of whole milk, as a mid-morning snack. What would they give the
>>> little kids as a snack like this in England (or any other place)?
>>
>>It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
>>phased out, then the milk.
>>

>We used to get milk too when I was little, but the then Minister of
>Education, a certain Margaret Thatcher, abolished it. She earned the
>nickname 'Thatcher the Milk Snatcher' as a result. The first of many
>derogatory epithets...
>

>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress).

Hi there! Nice to see you again!

>I'd give you a
>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
>delurk protocol in these parts?

You've done it.

>What would y'all like to know about me?

Well, I want to know how things are going in Wood Green; the rest
of these folks might want you to talk about your life and loves,
or just wave.

Let me be the first to say "Welcome to alt.poly."
>
>Sandra

--
Vicki Rosenzweig.
v...@redbird.org | http://www.redbird.org

Vicki Rosenzweig

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Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:

>
>Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
>or are jewelry laden?

No interesting piercings (just the earlobes, once each), but three
tattoos: a cardinal (the bird, not the church official) on one
arm, a tribal design on the other, and violets on my right shin.
Photos on my Web page.

Stef Maruch

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In article <Qt7fTJA5...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:

>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may

>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a


>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal

>delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?
>
>Sandra
>--
>San...@get.fucked.org.uk: yes, it's a real address, I swear
>PolyCode: G++* F+ k-- jw? q+++++ s--? l++> NPo A++

What's a PolyCode? Who did it? Where does one find it?
--
Stef ** rational/scientific/philosophical/mystical/magical/kitty **
** st...@cat-and-dragon.com <*> http://www.bayarea.net/~stef **
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"If we go back into the classroom, are you going to recite or are you
going to continue to be sullen and stubborn?"
"I'm going to be sullen and stubborn, I think, Mother."
"Why, Sarah?"
"I don't know, Mother, but I just bet that's what I'll do."
-- Cartoon at Bread & Ink Cafe, Portland, Oregon

piranha

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do...@spam.anyone (Trojan Horse) writes:

[*eeek*. a binary.]

don't spam anyone? don't use non-RFC-compliant email addresses,
and please, don't post binaries to discussion groups. it's just
as bad juju as spamming. put your pix on a website and post the
url, that is quite welcome, and it doesn't waste space on news
servers the world over.
--
-piranha

astral alice

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Sandra wrote:
>
> Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
> those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
> be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a
> thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
> delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?

Hi Sandra. Welcome to alt.poly!

alice, who knows Sandra in real life _and_ in other newsgroups...

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* alice on Surfers | telnet://surfers.org 4242 *
* --------------------------------------------------------------------- *
* What's the name of the word for things not being the same always? You *
* know... the thing that lets you know time is happening? - The Sandman *

Ben and Tara Cordes

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> Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:
>
> >
> >Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
> >or are jewelry laden?

only one interesting piercing - my tongue :) I've had it for almost six
months. ears have at least 3 holes each; going for the upper ear
cartilage soon.

scroll-esque design tattoo on my lower back.

:)

-tara

Carla

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Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
>
> Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:
>
> >
> >Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
> >or are jewelry laden?
>
> No interesting piercings (just the earlobes, once each), but three
> tattoos: a cardinal (the bird, not the church official) on one
> arm, a tribal design on the other, and violets on my right shin.
> Photos on my Web page.

Plain ol' ear piercings, three in right ear, two in the left; three
tattoos - bats on right calf, cowled vampire skull on right shoulder,
and red and black yin yang on right forearm. My partner's otherwife has
a matching yin yang tattoo.

Cheers,
Carla
----
http://home.earthlink.net/~sardonyx/

Trojan Horse

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Mine.

TH

On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:55 -0400, Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org>
wrote:

>Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:
>
>>
>>Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
>>or are jewelry laden?
>
>No interesting piercings (just the earlobes, once each), but three
>tattoos: a cardinal (the bird, not the church official) on one
>arm, a tribal design on the other, and violets on my right shin.
>Photos on my Web page.

Marc Wilson

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Lou wrote:

|David Matthewman <da...@matthewman.org> wrote:
|> Quoth Lisa Geoffrion on 25 Sep 2000 21:41:43 GMT:
|
|>> I'm writing this book, and one of my readers from England asked me what graham
|>> crackers were. Is there an English name for graham crackers?
|
|> I don't know. What are they? ;-)
|
|> Seriously, though, it might help if you described them in a bit more
|> detail.


|
|They're sweet and kind of whole-wheat tasting. Digestive biscuits are about the closest
|UK relative. Digestive biscuits are richer and more textured, more cookie-like.

|Graham crackers are kind of light and crisp. Both are used to make cheesecake bases, in
|their respective countries.

There are one or two wholewheat crackers about, but they'd just be called
"wholewheat crackers" - we don't use the eponym.
--
Marc

"Remember- two wrongs don't make a right...but three lefts do"

Angi Long

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One piercing only: gold septum (mid-nose) ring. No others
(yet). There are a couple more, er, concealed piercings I
want, but the professional won't pierce me while I'm breast-
feeding (because of the slight chance of an infection pass-
ing to the child), and I'm not about to wean just to get
pierced sooner.

I've had a couple brandings, but rather shallow ones, the
type that heal up in a year or so. I can't find a trace of
them any more.

Miche

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In article <20001009083104...@ng-cl1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:

> >mi...@technologist.com (Miche) in >Message-id:
> <miche-09100...@dialup084.albatross.co.nz> wrote:
>
> (about snacks in grade school)

> >It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
> >phased out, then the milk.
> >
>

> What, no snacks? At all?

Nope.

> Well, our school doesn't provide snacks, either.
> The parents have to provide them. Some classes have parents provide
individual
> snacks to kids, and some classes ask parents to provide the snack for
the whole
> class, every so often.

There is a program just started in my city to provide cheap ($1.50)
nutritious school lunches to kids in low-income areas. It's unusual for a
school to offer lunches as a matter of course. Many high schools have a
"tuck shop" where kids can buy treat food, lunch-type food etc but there
is not comprehensive school lunch program like in the US.

Miche

Miche

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> Miche <mi...@technologist.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the
> blood red wine, and cried:
> >>

> >> When I was in first grade, in '67, we would be given graham crackers and
> >little
> >> pint cartons of whole milk, as a mid-morning snack. What would they
give the
> >> little kids as a snack like this in England (or any other place)?
> >
> >It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
> >phased out, then the milk.
> >

> We used to get milk too when I was little, but the then Minister of
> Education, a certain Margaret Thatcher, abolished it. She earned the
> nickname 'Thatcher the Milk Snatcher' as a result. The first of many
> derogatory epithets...
>

> Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked.

Welcome to alt.poly!

Miche, channelling Aahz

Lisa Geoffrion

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>mi...@technologist.com (Miche) in >Message-id:
<miche-10100...@dialup086.albatross.co.nz> wrote:>In article(about snacks for kids in grade school)

>> What, no snacks? At all?
>
>Nope.
>

You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't get anything to
eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For my kids, that'd be a five hour
stretch.

Lisa


s...@bob.eecs.berkeley.edu

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Lisa Geoffrion <ljg...@aol.com> wrote:

> (about snacks for kids in grade school)

> You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't


> get anything to eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For
> my kids, that'd be a five hour stretch.

Memory may be fuzzy, but as I reall from grade school there
was an afternoon snack, but not a morning snack.

As school hours get shifted around these things may have
changed. Also there was less child obesity then than now.
Maybe snacks have fallen out of favor?

S.

LK

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On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 19:46:55 -0400, Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org>
wrote:

>Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:
>
>>
>>Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
>>or are jewelry laden?
>
>No interesting piercings (just the earlobes, once each), but three
>tattoos: a cardinal (the bird, not the church official) on one
>arm, a tribal design on the other, and violets on my right shin.
>Photos on my Web page.

I'm fond of cardinals. Easy to identify ibrds.

The idea of having a church official tattoo is hilarious. _If_ I were
to do such a thing it would be St. Nicholas. (In various
incarnations...perhaps like the "evolution" of Mickey Mouse.)

LK


~M~

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>Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000
15:31:49 -0700:
>
>
>Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other
than ears)
>or are jewelry laden?


I've got two tattoos and six piercings. I was recently
talking with a woman about our nose piercings. I mentioned it
didn't hurt as much as another I had. She looked at me wide
eyed and exclaimed "In yer coochie?!?!". Hehehe. That's one
way to phrase it.

m

Brooks Moses

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piranha wrote:
> do...@spam.anyone (Trojan Horse) writes:
>
> [*eeek*. a binary.]

Where? Where? I see no binary. :)



> don't spam anyone? don't use non-RFC-compliant email addresses,
> and please, don't post binaries to discussion groups. it's just
> as bad juju as spamming. put your pix on a website and post the
> url, that is quite welcome, and it doesn't waste space on news
> servers the world over.

They don't waste space on the news server I use. It filters such posts
out of discussion groups, even when I ask very nicely for it not to (in
a case where a newsgroup community had decided that binaries were ok in
their particular newsgroup, and posted them regularly...). Is, despite
that minor particular inconvenience, probably a Very Good Thing, granted
the several times that binary groups seem to have filled disks on it and
made it stop working right.

Moral: Posting binaries in newsgroups is not a particularly reliable way
of getting them to all the people in the newsgroup that might want to
see them!

- Brooks

Sandra

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LK <founta...@yahoo.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
red wine, and cried:
>On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:59:53 +0100, Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk>

>wrote:
>>
>>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a
>>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
>>delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?
>>
>Chocolate cookies are welcome. Cheesecake will get you almost
>anywhere with me...but you'll have drag my attention away from the
>cheesecake first.
>
Nothing like that in this household, boss. I'm dieting :(

>Usually you can say whatever you want as an intro provided it isn't a
>proclaimation that you have the one, the only, best to conduct poly
>relationsihps or that you are more highly evolved beyond insecurity or
>jealousy.

Oh, if only!

> Or think R.A. Heinlien (sp) invented polyamory. Or
>anything that sounds like a personal ad i.e., no measurements, or
>coloration of body parts.
>

>Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)

>or are jewelry laden? (I gave up my jewelry for early motherhood and
>haven't gotten back into it yet.)

Score 2 tattoos, 2 scarifications, 1 piercing current, 1 taken out, 1
grown out. More tattoos and pierces planned, but not for a few years.

Unlike some lucky people in here, I don't have a website with pix I can
point you at. I don't have a website at all in fact. Once I get that new
computer...

Sandra
--
San...@get.fucked.org.uk: yes, it's a real address, I swear
PolyCode: G++* F+ k-- jw? q+++++ s--? l++> NPo A++

Sandra

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Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the

blood red wine, and cried:
>Quoth Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> on Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:59:53
>+0100:

>
>>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress).
>
>Hi there! Nice to see you again!

Indeed so, if only virtually. I don't remember seeing a shin tattoo last
time we met IRL. Is that new, or am I just being unobservant again?

>
>>I'd give you a
>>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
>>delurk protocol in these parts?
>

>You've done it.


>
>>What would y'all like to know about me?
>

>Well, I want to know how things are going in Wood Green; the rest
>of these folks might want you to talk about your life and loves,
>or just wave.

99.999% of Wood Green continues as it has for many years; lower middle
class dreary. I assume you mean my household, which continues as it has
for 2.5 years, i.e. consisting of myself, one (male) partner and one
free radical of indeterminate gender. We're not quite a triad sexually
but definitely are emotionally. In other news I have a female sweetheart
again for the first time in way too long, which is probably part of the
reason I felt impelled to check out alt.poly. My job sucks (and neither
house-partner has a permanent one at all any more) but that apart, we
rock on, les vieux.

>
>Let me be the first to say "Welcome to alt.poly."

This may call for a photo-finish and a judge's adjudication between you
and astral alice...

Sandra

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Stef Maruch <st...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
red wine, and cried:
>>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress). I'd give you a

>>thumbnail sketch but my thumbnails are pretty boring. What is the normal
>>delurk protocol in these parts? What would y'all like to know about me?

>>
>>Sandra
>>--
>>San...@get.fucked.org.uk: yes, it's a real address, I swear
>>PolyCode: G++* F+ k-- jw? q+++++ s--? l++> NPo A++
>
>What's a PolyCode? Who did it? Where does one find it?

Hello again, stef.

If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
you. So I'm not telling you.

Vicki Rosenzweig

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Quoth Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> on Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:58:05
+0100:

>Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the


>blood red wine, and cried:

>>Quoth Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> on Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:59:53
>>+0100:
>>

>>>Oh my goodness, I seem to have delurked. Evening, all (and hello to
>>>those who know me in real life or other newsfroups -- some of whom may
>>>be fooled by my using this rather cool @ddress).
>>

>>Hi there! Nice to see you again!
>
>Indeed so, if only virtually. I don't remember seeing a shin tattoo last
>time we met IRL. Is that new, or am I just being unobservant again?

It's new. I wouldn't have let you overlook it :-)

>
>99.999% of Wood Green continues as it has for many years; lower middle
>class dreary. I assume you mean my household, which continues as it has
>for 2.5 years, i.e. consisting of myself, one (male) partner and one
>free radical of indeterminate gender.

Free radical is a good term for Sophia.

Russ Allbery

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Brooks Moses <bmo...@stanford.edu> writes:

> They don't waste space on the news server I use. It filters such posts
> out of discussion groups, even when I ask very nicely for it not to (in
> a case where a newsgroup community had decided that binaries were ok in
> their particular newsgroup, and posted them regularly...).

Hm. You should remind me about this one in e-mail again; I could probably
be talked around. I was likely just coming off of a bunch of annoying
arguments about it in nan-a.* when you asked.

--
Russ Allbery (r...@stanford.edu) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

Annette M. Stroud

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In article <uFriOTCaK3nx3w...@4ax.com>,

I thought, but I can't briefly find any backing on this, that graham flour
was whole wheat flour fortified with [soy flour,dry milk].

There do seem to be several recipes about for graham crackers.

Here's a link on the guy the crackers are named for:
http://hometown.aol.com/slygram/Sylvesters/SlyGraham.html

Graham crackers a sweetish; usually sweetened with honey.

Annette

Jim Roberts

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Lisa Geoffrion wrote:>(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:

> (about snacks for kids in grade school)

> >> What, no snacks? At all?
> >
> >Nope.
> >
>

Never mind what I got in my lunch. It was enough to delay the whole class for noon
recess.

>
> You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't get anything to
> eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For my kids, that'd be a five hour
> stretch.
>

> Lisa

Then there were the "meat loaf" sandwiches I prepared for my younger brother, which
were really moulded canned dog food. I have been through enough Yom Kippurs now,
and have atoned.

jimbat

Sandra

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Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the
blood red wine, and cried:
>>>Hi there! Nice to see you again!
>>
>>Indeed so, if only virtually. I don't remember seeing a shin tattoo last
>>time we met IRL. Is that new, or am I just being unobservant again?
>
>It's new. I wouldn't have let you overlook it :-)
>
Damn, and I can't check your website out at the moment; no web access.
Any chance of sending me a pic privmail?

But.. on your *shin*? Wouldn't that, like, er... hurt?

Miche

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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In article <20001010081805...@ng-fs1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:

> >(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:
> (about snacks for kids in grade school)
> >> What, no snacks? At all?
> >
> >Nope.
> >
>

> You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't get anything to
> eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For my kids, that'd be a
five hour
> stretch.

They have a morning break, but have to bring their own food from home.

Miche

Miche

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In article <8rv33i$jbo$1...@samba.rahul.net>, s...@bob.eecs.berkeley.edu wrote:

> Lisa Geoffrion <ljg...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > (about snacks for kids in grade school)
>

> > You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't
> > get anything to eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For
> > my kids, that'd be a five hour stretch.
>

> Memory may be fuzzy, but as I reall from grade school there
> was an afternoon snack, but not a morning snack.
>
> As school hours get shifted around these things may have
> changed. Also there was less child obesity then than now.
> Maybe snacks have fallen out of favor?

A morning snack is not going to make an active kid fat.

Miche

Stef Maruch

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In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:

>If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
>you. So I'm not telling you.

[cracking knuckles]
How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?


--
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** st...@cat-and-dragon.com <*> http://www.bayarea.net/~stef **
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draenog

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>Miche <mi...@technologist.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the

>blood red wine, and cried:
>>> When I was in first grade, in '67, we would be given graham crackers and
>>little
>>> pint cartons of whole milk, as a mid-morning snack. What would they give the
>>> little kids as a snack like this in England (or any other place)?
>>
>>It was apples in NZ -- apples and whole milk. First the apples were
>>phased out, then the milk.
>>
>We used to get milk too when I was little, but the then Minister of
>Education, a certain Margaret Thatcher, abolished it. She earned the
>nickname 'Thatcher the Milk Snatcher' as a result. The first of many
>derogatory epithets...

I remember that, little tiny third of a pint bottles.

There's also the dinner ticket system for poorer kids - if your
folks are unemployed or on a low-income, you get 5 dinner tickets
a week to use in the school canteen - enough to get a hot meal,
glass of pop, and a dessert when I was in school. Though there seem
to be noises about moving to a swipe-card system instead, so that
nobody can tell who the dinner ticket kids are. (Wasn't ever a
problem for me, but then such a large proportion of the kids at
my school were on dinner tickets that it wasn't exactly unusual).


draenog
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piranha

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st...@panix.com (Stef Maruch) writes:
> In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
> Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
> >you. So I'm not telling you.
>
> [cracking knuckles]
> How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?

don't read this post, heart-n-hand. really. stef's bluffing.
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Stef Maruch

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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In article <uu2ajf...@aegis.gooroos.com>,

I said I was nonthreatening to shy people, and that's true. I said
nothing about deliberate teases.


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Sandra

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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Stef Maruch <st...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
red wine, and cried:

>In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
>Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
>>you. So I'm not telling you.
>
>[cracking knuckles]
>How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?

Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

Bill Gawne

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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astral alice wrote:

>
> Sandra wrote:
> >
> > Stef Maruch <st...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
> > red wine, and cried:
> > >In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
> > >Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >>If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
> > >>you. So I'm not telling you.
> > >
> > >[cracking knuckles]
> > >How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?
> >
> > Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
>
> *alice starts selling tickets*

Bill buys some tickets, and inquires about placing bets, at whatever
the oddsmakers are offering, on Stef.

(Stef, that was said like a Marine, and that is high praise indeed
coming from me.)

-Bill Gawne

Lynn Dobbs

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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In article <8s2nn5$503$3...@news.panix.com>, Stef Maruch at
st...@panix.com says...

> In article <uu2ajf...@aegis.gooroos.com>,
> piranha <pir...@gooroos.com> wrote:
> >st...@panix.com (Stef Maruch) writes:
> >> In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
> >> Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
> >> >you. So I'm not telling you.
> >>
> >> [cracking knuckles]
> >> How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?
> >
> > don't read this post, heart-n-hand. really. stef's bluffing.
>
> I said I was nonthreatening to shy people, and that's true. I said
> nothing about deliberate teases.

Teasing Stef can be quite .... uh, deliberate.

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Lynn Dobbs

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Oct 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/11/00
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In article <39E4F238...@death.org.uk>, astral alice at
al...@death.org.uk says...

> Sandra wrote:
> >
> > Stef Maruch <st...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
> > red wine, and cried:
> > >In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
> > >Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >>If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
> > >>you. So I'm not telling you.
> > >
> > >[cracking knuckles]
> > >How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?
> >
> > Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
>
> *alice starts selling tickets*

Let's see. The challenge would require a trip to the UK.

Scones and clotted cream? check.
Really good stout? check.
Warm, flat piss? check.
Friends to visit? check.

It's a damn good thing I don't have a credit card. check!

astral alice

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Oct 11, 2000, 7:05:28 PM10/11/00
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Sandra wrote:
>
> Stef Maruch <st...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
> red wine, and cried:
> >In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
> >Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >>If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
> >>you. So I'm not telling you.
> >
> >[cracking knuckles]
> >How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?
>
> Come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.

*alice starts selling tickets*

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* alice on Surfers | telnet://surfers.org 4242 *
* --------------------------------------------------------------------- *
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* know... the thing that lets you know time is happening? - The Sandman *

Ruth Lawrence

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Oct 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/12/00
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"Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:miche-11100...@dialup071.albatross.co.nz...

> In article <20001010081805...@ng-fs1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
> (Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:
>
> > >mi...@technologist.com (Miche) in >Message-id:
> > <miche-10100...@dialup086.albatross.co.nz> wrote:>In article
> > <20001009083104...@ng-cl1.aol.com>, ljg...@aol.com
> > >(Lisa Geoffrion) wrote:
> > (about snacks for kids in grade school)
> > >> What, no snacks? At all?
> > >
> > >Nope.
> > >
> >
> > You mean that the real little kids, 5,6, and 7 year olds don't get
anything to
> > eat between breakfast and lunch? Holy Wah. For my kids, that'd be a
> five hour
> > stretch.
>
> They have a morning break, but have to bring their own food from home.

Same in Oz, it's called playlunch!

Ruth


Miche

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Oct 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/13/00
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In article <97135800...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
<ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> "Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
> news:miche-11100...@dialup071.albatross.co.nz...

> > They have a morning break, but have to bring their own food from home.


>
> Same in Oz, it's called playlunch!

Heh. That's what they call it here too.

Miche

Stef Maruch

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Oct 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/13/00
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In article <MPG.144ee62ce...@nntp.cts.com>,

Lynn Dobbs <ne...@bethechange.net> wrote:
>In article <8s2nn5$503$3...@news.panix.com>, Stef Maruch at
>st...@panix.com says...
>> In article <uu2ajf...@aegis.gooroos.com>,
>> piranha <pir...@gooroos.com> wrote:
>> >st...@panix.com (Stef Maruch) writes:
>> >> In article <d2hs1XAR...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
>> >> Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, and I wouldn't want to kill
>> >> >you. So I'm not telling you.
>> >>
>> >> [cracking knuckles]
>> >> How about you tell me and then you *try* to kill me?
>> >
>> > don't read this post, heart-n-hand. really. stef's bluffing.
>>
>> I said I was nonthreatening to shy people, and that's true. I said
>> nothing about deliberate teases.
>
>Teasing Stef can be quite .... uh, deliberate.

As long as you're not easily threatened...


--
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Stef Maruch

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Oct 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/13/00
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In article <39E516E9...@abs.net>, Bill Gawne <ga...@abs.net> wrote:

>(Stef, that was said like a Marine, and that is high praise indeed
>coming from me.)

Stef finds it hard to look menacing when she's blushing.


--
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Ruth Lawrence

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Oct 13, 2000, 11:30:49 AM10/13/00
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"Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:miche-13100...@dialup103.albatross.co.nz...

In some things, that ditch is pretty narrow, then.

Ruth

Miche

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Oct 13, 2000, 3:52:29 PM10/13/00
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In article <97145107...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
<ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> "Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
> news:miche-13100...@dialup103.albatross.co.nz...
> > In article <97135800...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
> > <ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
> > > Same in Oz, it's called playlunch!
> >
> > Heh. That's what they call it here too.
>
> In some things, that ditch is pretty narrow, then.

More things than both Aussies and Kiwis care to believe, I think. :)

Miche

Bob Wagner

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Oct 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/14/00
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Trojan Horse wrote:
> [Image]

Ok, old post. Sorry. Trojan, that is a very interesting
piece of work. Can I ask what its significance is? Me. I've
two (so far). Tribute piece to my deceased familiar over my
heart and another tribute piece of a white tail buck on my
leg. Gotta flip a coin to decide whether to go with
Chewbacca next or Yoda playing an accordion.

Vicki Rosenzweig

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Oct 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/15/00
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Quoth Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> on Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:59:12
+0100:

>Vicki Rosenzweig <v...@redbird.org> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the


>blood red wine, and cried:

>>>>Hi there! Nice to see you again!
>>>
>>>Indeed so, if only virtually. I don't remember seeing a shin tattoo last
>>>time we met IRL. Is that new, or am I just being unobservant again?
>>
>>It's new. I wouldn't have let you overlook it :-)
>>
>Damn, and I can't check your website out at the moment; no web access.
>Any chance of sending me a pic privmail?

This has been done.


>
>But.. on your *shin*? Wouldn't that, like, er... hurt?
>

<cliche>Of course it hurts.</cliche>

Aahz Maruch

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Oct 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/15/00
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In article <hfkzvKAA$A55...@grebbsy.org.uk>,

Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>
>But.. on your *shin*? Wouldn't that, like, er... hurt?

Hmmm... Ever heard of the White Rats Morris Dancers and the t-shirts
they wear when dancing?
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listen to weather forecasts and economists?" -- Kelvin Throop III

Sandra

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Oct 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/15/00
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Aahz Maruch <aa...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
red wine, and cried:

>In article <hfkzvKAA$A55...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
>Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>But.. on your *shin*? Wouldn't that, like, er... hurt?
>
>Hmmm... Ever heard of the White Rats Morris Dancers and the t-shirts
>they wear when dancing?

Are they the San Francisco side who sew their bells straight onto the
skin?

Oddly enough I'm a morris dancer too... for Miss Demeanour's, the UK's
best (well, only) queer side. Even more worryingly two other members are
past or present partners...

songbird

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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"Stef Maruch" <st...@panix.com> wrote:
...

> You can peep at me, but don't peep the theme from Jeopardy. -- SFJ

oh temptress? you peeped?


songbird *peep*


Aahz Maruch

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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In article <5GjbUBAC...@grebbsy.org.uk>,

Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>Aahz Maruch <aa...@panix.com> sat in Dunfermline town, drinking the blood
>red wine, and cried:
>>In article <hfkzvKAA$A55...@grebbsy.org.uk>,
>>Sandra <san...@get.fucked.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>But.. on your *shin*? Wouldn't that, like, er... hurt?
>>
>>Hmmm... Ever heard of the White Rats Morris Dancers and the t-shirts
>>they wear when dancing?
>
>Are they the San Francisco side who sew their bells straight onto the
>skin?

Yup. And on the back, the t-shirts say, "Yes, it hurts."

John Clark

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Oct 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/16/00
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Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:

> Quoth LK <founta...@yahoo.com> on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 15:31:49 -0700:
>
> >
> >Speaking of which --who all has tatoos or piercings (other than ears)
> >or are jewelry laden?
>
> No interesting piercings (just the earlobes, once each), but three
> tattoos: a cardinal (the bird, not the church official) on one
> arm, a tribal design on the other, and violets on my right shin.
> Photos on my Web page.

My wife was reading an article about Tattooing on the plane going from
Kaua`i to Honolulu. According to the writer, tahitian women would
have a tatoo on their rears which if shown was an indication of sexual
interest.

However, I'll take it that someone seeing your tattooed shin is not
a 'come hither' indication...


Owenbrau

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Oct 17, 2000, 1:52:27 AM10/17/00
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>John Clark wrote:

>My wife was reading an article about Tattooing on the plane going from
>Kaua`i to Honolulu. According to the writer, tahitian women would
>have a tatoo on their rears which if shown was an indication of sexual
>interest.

>However, I'll take it that someone seeing your tattooed shin is not
>a 'come hither' indication...

But someone showing me thier butt, tattooed or not, I can see as an expression
of interest (unless they are mooning me, of course)
Owen

"May be going to Hell in a bucket,
but at least I'm enjoying the ride..."

Teal

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Oct 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/19/00
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:51:55 +1000, "Ruth Lawrence"
<ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

>Ruth, greatly preferring your prime minister for instance although
> I wouldn't be cruel enough to suggest swapping

I would. Though not necessarily for another prime minister. I've got
one slightly-used prime minister up for trade... all offers
considered!

<wistfully>A train set would be nice. Anybody want to take Little
Johnny Howler off my hands in exchange for a train set?</wistful>

Teal, whose dog's favourite chewtoy is a John Howard effigy
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Oct 19, 2000, 11:51:55 AM10/19/00
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"Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:miche-14100...@dialup104.albatross.co.nz...

Well, not me! I believe it absurd that we don't amalgamate!

Miche

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Oct 19, 2000, 3:50:57 PM10/19/00
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In article <97197075...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
<ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> "Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
> news:miche-14100...@dialup104.albatross.co.nz...
> > In article <97145107...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
> > <ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
> > > In some things, that ditch is pretty narrow, then.
> >
> > More things than both Aussies and Kiwis care to believe, I think. :)
>
> Well, not me! I believe it absurd that we don't amalgamate!
>
> Ruth, greatly preferring your prime minister for instance although
> I wouldn't be cruel enough to suggest swapping

Heh. Helen Clark is kinda cool, but she's not perfect. :)

I personally think NZ and Aust will end up amalgamating but I can't see NZ
being happy as just another state. Your governmental structure and ours
are different enough that there would need to be a _lot_ of negotiation to
get a solution which is acceptable to both sides.

Miche

Ruth Lawrence

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Oct 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/21/00
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"Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
news:miche-20100...@dialup105.albatross.co.nz...

> In article <97197075...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
> <ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message
> > news:miche-14100...@dialup104.albatross.co.nz...
> > > In article <97145107...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
> > > <ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
> > > > In some things, that ditch is pretty narrow, then.
> > >
> > > More things than both Aussies and Kiwis care to believe, I think. :)
> >
> > Well, not me! I believe it absurd that we don't amalgamate!
> >
> > Ruth, greatly preferring your prime minister for instance although
> > I wouldn't be cruel enough to suggest swapping
>
> Heh. Helen Clark is kinda cool, but she's not perfect. :)

Of course not!


>
> I personally think NZ and Aust will end up amalgamating but I can't see NZ
> being happy as just another state. Your governmental structure and ours
> are different enough that there would need to be a _lot_ of negotiation to
> get a solution which is acceptable to both sides.

There isn't _that_ much difference, but here, for any constitutional
changes, we require not only a majority of people, but a majority of states,
which keeps us, er, in the past on issues.

I guess we'll just see an extension of the no-borders stuff we already have.

Ruth, certain Tassie and West Australia won't go along, and Victoria and New
South Wales being very populous, won't agree that NZ should be privileged
over them.


Ruth Lawrence

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Oct 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/21/00
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"Teal" <te...@asiaonline.net.au> wrote in message
news:39ef8106...@news.dove.net.au...

> On Fri, 20 Oct 2000 01:51:55 +1000, "Ruth Lawrence"
> <ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:
>
> >Ruth, greatly preferring your prime minister for instance although
> > I wouldn't be cruel enough to suggest swapping
>
> I would. Though not necessarily for another prime minister. I've got
> one slightly-used prime minister up for trade... all offers
> considered!
>
> <wistfully>A train set would be nice. Anybody want to take Little
> Johnny Howler off my hands in exchange for a train set?</wistful>

Reith seems to be down the gurgler , that has to help!

Ruth, who had to go to his electoral office, bleuchh.


Miche

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Oct 22, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/22/00
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In article <97213540...@mel.ihug.com.au>, "Ruth Lawrence"
<ro...@ihug.com.au> wrote:

> "Miche" <mi...@technologist.com> wrote in message

> news:miche-20100...@dialup105.albatross.co.nz...


> > I personally think NZ and Aust will end up amalgamating but I can't see NZ
> > being happy as just another state. Your governmental structure and ours
> > are different enough that there would need to be a _lot_ of negotiation to
> > get a solution which is acceptable to both sides.
>

> There isn't _that_ much difference, but here, for any constitutional
> changes, we require not only a majority of people, but a majority of states,
> which keeps us, er, in the past on issues.

We require a 2/3 majority of Parliament, but there lies a rub -- we only
have one Parliament, and you have eight or nine. :)

> I guess we'll just see an extension of the no-borders stuff we already have.

I'd be happy with that, and a common currency is fine by me (as long as
the Anzac's value is calibrated on the Aus ;).

> Ruth, certain Tassie and West Australia won't go along, and Victoria and New
> South Wales being very populous, won't agree that NZ should be privileged
> over them.

This is what I mean by there being a lot to sort out.

Miche

White Wolf

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Oct 23, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/23/00
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On 13 Oct 2000 18:52:44 GMT, st...@panix.com (Stef Maruch) wrote in
<8s7lls$dh8$5...@news.panix.com>:

[snip body]

>Do, or do not. There is no try. -- Yoda, STAR WARS

Correction: Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back

--
White Wolf

Andrea Merrell

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Oct 24, 2000, 3:00:00 AM10/24/00
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Ruth Lawrence wrote in alt.polyamory:

> "Teal" <te...@asiaonline.net.au> wrote in message
> > <wistfully>A train set would be nice. Anybody want to take Little
> > Johnny Howler off my hands in exchange for a train set?</wistful>
>
> Reith seems to be down the gurgler , that has to help!

The guy has the world's strongest finger tips, he's still hang
around. Yetch!

> Ruth, who had to go to his electoral office, bleuchh.

Not a nice thing.

Andi, who used to have to visit the Parliament House offices of more
than a few of the local pollies.
--
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a ratbag scruffy femme,
caffeine addict and known hater of mornings.

Ruth Lawrence

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Oct 28, 2000, 10:34:17 AM10/28/00
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"Andrea Merrell" <amer...@mpx.com.au> wrote in message
news:slrn8vaueg....@kitten.more.fluff...

> Ruth Lawrence wrote in alt.polyamory:
> > "Teal" <te...@asiaonline.net.au> wrote in message
> > > <wistfully>A train set would be nice. Anybody want to take Little
> > > Johnny Howler off my hands in exchange for a train set?</wistful>
> >
> > Reith seems to be down the gurgler , that has to help!
>
> The guy has the world's strongest finger tips, he's still hang
> around. Yetch!

Time to take up a rigorous style of tap dancing then.

> > Ruth, who had to go to his electoral office, bleuchh.
>
> Not a nice thing.
>
> Andi, who used to have to visit the Parliament House offices of more
> than a few of the local pollies.

Oooh, major cooties!

Ruth


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