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Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters by Michael
Green (posted April 20, 2009 at opednews.com)

John R. Moffett, the distinguished neuroscientist and managing editor of
OPEDNEWS, has brought his considerable prestige to bear on the issue of
whether the Twin Towers and WTC7 were destroyed by controlled demolition
using the incendiary and sometimes explosive thermite as a key
component. Unfortunately, he has done so with either malicious
incompetence, or worse, a cynical deliberate determination to distort,
conceal, and suppress the findings of a recently published scientific
article, "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11
World Trade Center Catastrophe," that dispositively proves the presence
of unignited explosives in the WTC dust. Neither motivation on Dr.
Moffett's part obviously recommends him for his post at OPEDNEWS. I will
first address Dr. Moffett's smear
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Was-it-Nanotech-Thermite--by-John-R-Moffett-090415-784.html
which was promoted to OPEDNEWS headline status on 4/15/2009, then the
importance of the thermitic dust. If you think that 911 isn't your
issue, you should pay close attention.

The evidence that first brought me around to considering 911 as a USG
covert operation was the National Aeronautics and Science
Administration's (NASA's) publication of a thermal survey taken
September 16, 2001, that showed ground temperature hot spots of 1,100
and 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit. Such temperatures are far too high to be
produced by an open-air hydrocarbon fire except in very short bursts,
but certainly not as an enduring after-effect. Students of 911 have
collected a vast array of evidence that temperatures at the WTC were
generated far in excess of what normal hydrocarbon fires could produce.
The evidence includes eyewitness testimony of molten iron or steel weeks
after the event, videos of orange molten metal pouring from the South
Tower minutes before its destruction, and microspheres of once-molten
iron in the dust examined by the United States Geological Survey
forensics team (without further comment or analysis!).

The importance of iron microspheres is simple. Iron melts around 2,800
Fahrenheit, which is about twice the highest temperature that an
open-air fire could produce. A microsphere can only be produced by first
melting iron, then dispersing the melted iron by some energetic means
(like explosion) into an aerosol whose particles, influenced by the
surface tension of the molten metal, form spheres as the smallest
surface area required to contain any specified volume of matter. Once
again, as with the NASA thermal survey, an intense source of energy
other than the WTC fires is required to melt iron or steel, as even the
National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) admitted in its
reports. The science is pretty simple; only its political consequences
are complicated, and troubling.

Thermite is simply a combination of aluminum and iron oxide, both in
powdered form. When heated to a certain temperature, the highly reactive
aluminum steals the oxygen atoms from the iron oxide. This chemical
reaction releases intense heat in excess of 4,500 degrees Fahrenheit,
hot enough to cut through steel, and produces molten iron as its
reaction product.

The first scientist to investigate thermite as a key component of the
WTC demolitions was Steven E. Jones, who was then in 2005 a tenured
professor of physics at Brigham Young University with a specialization
in muon-catalyzed fusion. Jones was subsequently forced to resign
because of his 911 research, but he continued his research
independently. Alas for Jones and the group of same-minded scientists
who were persuaded by the evidence that thermite was involved, the
thought that should have come first came considerably later: "No
incendiary or explosive is likely to combust completely in an
environment of massive collapse and disruption such as 911, so if we are
right, there ought to be both residue of and unexploded samples of
thermite in the WTC dust. We need to look at the dust." Jones first made
a request for the dust in an online paper in the fall of 2006 and
examined his first sample in June 2007. Better late than never.

Jones obtained five samples of the dust from concerned citizens who had
collected it on or shortly after 911. Four of these people signed
affidavits regarding the provenance of the dust. The fifth was unwilling
to do so, and though his sample contained the same materials as the
others, it was not included in the specimens examined for the article.
One of the samples was collected ten minutes after the collapse of the
first Tower, so was not possibly contaminated by the collapse of WTC7
later that afternoon, let alone the even later steel-cutting operations.
In another instance, Jones personally traveled to California to obtain
in the presence of other scientists a second sample from a woman who had
provided a sample by mail, thus assuring that no switch had occurred
between mailing and receipt. The provenance of the dust is not in doubt
and can if necessary be compared with dust samples collected by official
agencies that refused to analyze their contents.

All of the dust samples contained an abundance of iron-rich microspheres
as well as a collection of tiny chips that were red on one side, gray on
the other. These red-gray chips were put in a Differential Scanning
Calorimeter (DSC), a device that slowly heats the chips and measures how
much energy the chips emit or absorb at a given temperature. The chips
all ignited at 425 degrees Centigrade (+/- 10 degrees) and produced
microspheres of molten iron, which is the reaction product of a
thermitic reaction.

2Al + Fe2O3 ? Al2O3 + 2Fe (molten iron)

Just to make things clear, iron melts at 2,800 Fahrenheit, about 1538
oC, so the red-gray chips � as the paper itself makes abundantly clear �
generated intense temperatures and are a manufactured incendiary (with
explosive potential).

To confirm this finding, the authors measured the energy density of the
red-gray chips � the amount of energy generated per gram of material �
and compared it to the energy density of a variety of explosives and
incendiaries, including conventional thermite. The energy density of the
red-gray chips exceeds that of standard explosives like HMX and TNT. The
authors state:

It is striking that some of the red/gray chips release more energy in
kJ/g than does ordinary thermite, as shown in the blue bar graphs above.
[Their Figure 30]
That the energy density of the red-gray chips exceeded the energy
density of conventional thermite was especially striking because only
the red side of the chip contained the thermitic materials; the gray
material was essentially inert and did not contribute to the energy
density, but diminished it. This finding was one amongst many results
that lead the authors to conclude that the red-gray chips probably
contained nano-thermite, a kind of "super" thermite with ultra-fine
particles of aluminum and iron-oxide.

The authors then subjected the iron-rich microspherical residue of the
red-gray chips to X-ray energy dispersive spectroscopy (XEDS) to compare
it with the profile of microspherical residue from known thermite
combustions and found them to be virtually identical. Additionally, both
were virtually identical to the XEDS of microspheres found in the WTC
dust itself, as reported in a previous paper, Jones SE, Farrer J,
Jenkins GS, et al. "Extremely high temperatures during the World Trade
Center destruction." J 9/11 Studies 2008; 19: 1-11.
http://www.journalof911studies.com/articles/WTCHighTemp2

As the principal author, chemist Niels H. Harrit, remarked in a
10-minute appearance on Danish television, the paper is merely the
keystone in an already well-constructed arch of evidence that the Towers
and WTC7 were taken down by controlled demolition. Unfortunately, Dr.
Moffett has only pretended to review even the findings in this paper.
Not a single one of the facts that I have presented in this review of
the "Active Thermitic Material" paper was presented in his review, and
there are many more compelling findings that support the same conclusion
with which this popular essay will not burden the reader. Instead, Dr.
Moffett has actively suppressed them and maligned them by comparing them
to the wildly speculative and false claims of Judy Wood in both his
title, "Was it Nanotech-Thermite or Phasers that took down the WTC?" and
his conclusions. Ms. Wood has tried to peddle an entirely speculative
and contrary-to-evidence fantasy of high-energy beams, phasers,
destroying the Towers.

I am going to focus on the central deceit of Dr. Moffett's article. Dr.
Moffett dismisses the notion of thermite as absurd and writes, "Before I
get into details about why this work is so poorly done, and why the
interpretations of the researchers are so suspect, it is important to
state that the thermite argument was put forward by these same
researchers years ago, and the idea was fully debunked years ago." See
for example here: http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf

A central point of the paper referenced by Moffett is that the presence
of ingredients of thermite (e.g., aluminum and iron oxide) is easily
explained by, for example, the aluminum cladding on the Towers and the
presence of rust (iron oxide). Dr. Moffett's article elaborates on this
simple theme:

It is no small coincidence that the major components that the
researchers detected in the red and gray chips include iron, aluminum,
oxygen, silica, and carbon, since these relate to the primary building
materials that the WTC was constructed from. The girders were steel,
which rusts to iron oxide, the fa�ade was aluminum, and the floors were
concrete. The traces of calcium and sulfur could easily be from
wallboard (calcium sulfate), as the authors themselves conclude. ...

X-ray dispersive spectroscopy can tell you what elements are in a
sample, but not what molecules those elements are incorporated into. Any
sample of dust from the WTC collapse would contain similar amounts of
these elements because those are the primary elements that made up the
steel superstructure, concrete flooring, aluminum facade and other
building materials (not to mention the aluminum fuselage of the aircraft).

Thus, Dr. Moffett represents the nine authors of the paper as bumbling
idiots who confuse the presence of elements of thermite in the debris
with evidence for thermite itself. Yet, on p.13 the authors state:

"The existence of elemental aluminum and iron oxide [in the red portion
of the red-gray chips] leads to the obvious hypothesis that the material
may contain thermite. However, before concluding that the red material
found in the WTC dust is thermitic, further testing would be required.
For example, how does the material behave when heated in a sensitive
calorimeter? If the material does not react vigorously it may be argued
that although ingredients of thermite are present, the material may not
really be thermitic."

Because the authors understood the issue, they performed the relevant
tests that Dr. Moffett suppressed. Instead, Moffett distorted and
trivialized the complex case they made with the following aside:

"The researchers also showed that the chips could be ignited, and that
they burned at a lower temperature than normal thermite. This is of
course not surprising since metals such as aluminum do burn if they are
complexed with oxidizing agents, and are heated enough."

But of course what the researchers did was to show not merely that the
chips could be ignited at a lower temperature than a known
nano-composite thermite, but also that the chips were fiercely
exothermic, generated iron microspheres with the XEDS of thermite, and
released more energy per gram than known samples of conventional
thermite possibly could. Thus, curiously, for some reason, the estimable
Dr. Moffett writes as though there were one and only one kind of
thermite, even though the paper he pretends to review emphasizes that
there are many kinds, including thermitic materials researched by the
military for both incendiary and explosive purposes, and it provides
citations from mainstream journals to support this claim. Instead,
Moffett writes, "It is also important to note that thermite is not
explosive, and it is difficult to ignite." I hope that willful ignorance
or deliberate deceit will not become a standard at OPEDNEWS.

Couldn't the Rubble Make the Thermite?

Let us return to Dr. Moffett's favorite article that "fully debunked"
thermite as the key incendiary/explosive in the destruction of the World
Trade Center. Remarkably, that article ultimately attributed the
destruction of the Towers to thermite, but claimed that the thermite was
manufactured on site by the crash, the fire that melted the aluminum
from the planes, and various elements of lime, gypsum, water, and rust
from the materials of the buildings with which the aluminum combined to
produce intense thermitic reactions that destroyed the Towers. The
author, Frank Greening, Ph.D., also speculated that the building
materials had kept the ground fires burning for months after the
collapses because hot aluminum combined with high pH water -- made high
pH by the aluminum grouting! � to produce combustible hydrogen. The
author did this without any direct evidence that such was the case.
Fascinating!

An essay I wrote on the Kennedy assassination lays out the general
strategy and tactic taken by the USG assets and agents assigned to the
media cover-up of major domestic covert operations. Instead of following
the evidence and pursuing its obvious implications, the agents -- and
the voluntarily self-deceived -- ignore or distort the natural
implications of the evidence and in its place present an entirely
speculative account of what the evidence "conceivably" might mean that
is consistent with the official story. Crucially, the import of any
piece of evidence is usually isolated from the rich body of other
evidence so that the "conceivable" interpretation may seem plausible.
The defenders of the official story then demand that the "conspiracy
theorists" refute their speculation, usually when there is no means of
doing so.

In the case of 911, Dr. Moffett's intellectual compatriot, Frank
Greening, offers up a witches brew in which:

"The molten aluminum [that Greening hypothesizes from airliners melted
by fire] re-ignites some of the smoldering fires and rapidly burns
through other combustible materials that survived the initial
conflagration. Molten aluminum also falls onto fractured concrete,
gypsum and rusted steel surfaces inducing violent thermite explosions,
dispersing globules of molten metal and igniting new fires."

Steven Jones already rebutted the witches brew �hypothesis,� by directly
combining molten aluminum alternately with crushed gypsum, wet and dry
concrete, and rusted steel. See pp. 8-13 of his paper, �Why, Indeed, did
the World Trade Center Buildings Completely Collapse?� at the Journal of
911 Studies site, www.journalof911studies.com. Jones states therein:

"Nor were violent reactions observed when we dropped molten aluminum
onto crushed gypsum and concrete (wet or dry) and rusty steel. [Jones,
2006; available at http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/ExptAlMelt.doc]
These experiments lend no support whatever to the notion [see Greening,
2006] that molten aluminum in the WTC Towers could have destroyed the
enormous steel columns in the cores of the buildings, even if those
columns were rusty and somehow subjected to direct contact with liquid
aluminum."

In those same pages Jones also puts to rest Greening�s hope � echoing
both FEMA and NIST reports on 911 -- that the orange molten metal
pouring from the 81st floor of the South Tower might be the melted
aluminum from the airliner rather than molten iron from the thermite
reaction. This complex rebuttal should be read in Jones's original paper.

Greening�s �witches brew� production of thermite is a non-starter for
other obvious reasons. As noted, two of the red/gray chip samples
generated more energy per gram than the theoretical limit for
conventional thermite, and did so from the red layer alone. Further
details of Greening�s fascinating speculation need not concern us for
another very simple reason: the red/gray chips are patently cutting-edge
manufactured materials. Random blends of building materials cannot form
uniform chips of red/gray layers with precisely identical composition.
Red layers for each of the four samples had XEDS spectra that were
identical to each other and contained the ingredients of thermite; so
were the XEDS spectra of each of the gray layers identical to each
other, and were inert materials. Such identical composition is not
consistent with a variety of random mixtures scattered to the winds by
the buildings' collapses.

Direct inspection of the red/gray chips, as well as their
microstructure, reveals a solid compact gray layer to which the highly
granular thermitic red layer adheres. A nanometer is one billionth of a
meter, about 4 hundred millionths of an inch (1 nanometer = 3.93700787 �
10-8 inch). Magnification of the red layer reveals highly engineered
plate-like aluminum particles 40 nm in thickness (40 billionths of a
meters) mixed in a solidified matrix with remarkably uniform iron-rich
rhomboid particles. (The aluminum particle in the image below looks like
a flying saucer.) The highly uniform nano-metric particle sizes are
found in engineered explosives, but not in normal building materials.
The dense uniform mixture of nano-sized particles is what allows the
product to ignite below the temperature of even commercial
nano-thermite, and to generate the intense energy output per gram that
exceeds the theoretical limits for optimally prepared conventional thermite.

The pictures, especially combined with the nano-thermite performance of
the red/gray chips, should persuade any reasonable reader that chips
present in all the dust samples are manufactured and engineered. Thus, I
suggest that the only witches brew you need to be aware of is the
calculated disinformation that replaces the evidence and its face value
with a supposedly "conceivable" interpretation of a portion of the
evidence -- that must also blind you to much of the actual evidence --
in order to maintain your devotion to a fictitious Official Story of 911.

Why The Dust Matters

I will be brief here from necessity. If the Towers and Building 7 were
destroyed by controlled demolition, then these vastly complicated acts
were coordinated through the security apparatus of the World Trade
Center in conjunction with high-ranking members of the U.S. military,
especially the Air Force, whose cooperation was required to assure that
the commercial airplanes hit their targets, and with the media whose job
it was to disseminate the fiction of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda from
the mouths of the intelligence agencies that coordinated this grand act
of political theater. The cover-up was managed by control of the crime
scene and subsequent "investigations", destruction of the evidence, and
was anticipated through a variety of legislation and executive orders
that are well known to 911 researchers. The USG, in cooperation with
elements of private industry and finance capital, brought us 911. The
911 Commission, like the Warren Commission before it, remains a cruel
hoax to euthanize critical public thinking. Not all of the actors who
served the cover-up were aware of their roles, but they were ultimately
set into motion by those who were.

Behind, and parallel to, the visible and overt political power structure
lies the fundamental source of political power and action in the United
States. It is known well only to those who participate regularly in it,
and to a small number of persons, who for one reason or another have
stumbled into it, have refused to look aside, and have pursued it to its
bottom. I don't wish to dramatize the "invisible government" but these
are the persons who control domestic covert action to effect profound
changes in political power and political climate in extra-legal ways and
who also own and control much of Congress. The motivation and sense of
entitlement to do so is an old story, and keeping within the bounds of
U.S. history there is John Jay, who would become the first Chief Justice
of the United States, who said in arguing against popular suffrage,
''The people who own the country ought to govern it.'' Covert action is
one amongst many means that allow those who own this country to rule it
without ostensibly violating the spirit of democracy.

These persons are united in keeping their deeds secret from the vast
number of Americans even when they strongly disagree amongst themselves
about the wisdom of a particular covert action like 911. Providing the
details for this political perspective would take us too far afield, but
it is this perspective that is entailed by the thermitic dust in the
World Trade Center, one that would mobilize the American people could
they only grasp it and comes to terms with it. That is what people like
Steven Jones, Niels Harrit, Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, David Ray Griffin,
Richard Gage & friends are trying to promulgate, and people like Dr.
Moffett are trying to suppress.

The "Thermitic Dust" paper is a scientific paper produced by scientists
using their expertise to illuminate the mechanism of 911 as a covert
operation. It presents an extraordinary piece of 911 evidence that
allows no wiggle room, that cannot be explained away in any other
fashion. Underscoring the evidentiary significance of the thermitic dust
does nothing to scant the larger geopolitical picture nor the abundance
of non-scientific evidence that others have laboriously, and often very
courageously, assembled. As Michael Ruppert emphasized, the world is
running out of irreplaceable oil. Others have noted that United States
capitalism has been in a long arc of decline since the Vietnam war, and
has declined more rapidly in the wake of decisions to deindustrialize
and to allow "finance capital" -- parasitic practices that produce
fictitious profits at the expense of the real economy -- to become an
ever greater part of the U.S. economy.

The ruling class of the United States responded to threats to the U.S.
dollar and U.S. global hegemony by generating a pretext for war in the
Middle East in an attempt to shore up both the dollar and the hegemony
by obtaining a stranglehold on the oil in that area that constitutes
roughly 60% of the world's known reserves. To the rulers of the United
States, the sacrifice of 3,000 civilians means nothing more than a form
of involuntary conscription that they feel fully entitled to impose. The
"endless war on terror" was a pronouncement by the neocons and their
allies of their confidence that military might sufficed to intervene
against "terrorism" wherever they felt seizure of scarce resources and
geopolitical gain were to be found. The need to defend ourselves against
an existential enemy of the rulers' own creation served as the pretext
to build a domestic police state for use against its own citizens should
they mobilize against the rulers' preferred allocation of resources when
oil and other scarcities could no longer be profitably found to preserve
the standard of living to which the people of the United States, and the
advanced western democracies generally, had become accustomed.

The importance of the thermitic dust is complementary to all the other
evidence assembled by others. A short non-exhaustive list of such
evidence includes 1) the world-wide insider puts that used foreknowledge
of 911 to make investments to rake in small fortunes; 2) the many
ignored and suppressed warnings derailed from the top of the USG
intelligence chain of command; 3) the well-planned and well-concealed
War Games running simultaneously with the 911 operation to prevent NORAD
from intercepting the airliners and -- only if necessary -- to provide
an excuse why no interception occurred; 4) Dick Cheney's "the order
still stands" command not to shoot down the airliner that was
approaching the Pentagon, that was suppressed by the 911 Commission; 5)
the stories of the brave whistleblowers, including Coleen Rowley, Indira
Singh, Robert Wright, and Sibel Edmonds all of whom have been sidelined
and marginalized into political insignificance; 6) the background of
Mohammed Atta & friends (from Daniel Hopsicker) that reveals them as
well trained and protected USG intelligence operatives, not Islamic
terrorists; 7) the cover-up conspiracy too vast even to adumbrate.

I should say in closing that many if not most of even the very good 911
researchers do not understand the nature of this power nor the forces of
psychological resistance to reaching an understanding of it. For
example, David Ray Griffin has urged Congress to investigate 911 anew in
light of this dramatic evidence, in my view apparently having failed to
learn the palpable lesson from his own book, The 911 Commission Report:
Omissions and Distortions, i.e., that key members Congress were actively
complicit in the cover-up and that the others knew their proper role to
be to stand aside in mute silence. Similarly, in his Danish TV
interview, Niels Harrit said that now that this paper has revealed not
merely the smoking gun, but the "loaded gun," i.e., the unignited
thermite, that he expects the authorities to start an investigation and
bring the criminals to justice.

I have no such expectations. Between the hard facts of the matter and
organized political actions stand both the self-deceived guardians of
the psychological status quo and the deliberate agents of the invisible
government. Would that the truth were simple, plain, and self-evident.
Instead, we face the problem articulated by my friend Vincent Salandria,
the father of the first generation of the John F. Kennedy researchers,
in a 1971 address. Referring to the JFK assassination, Salandria argued
that when a major covert action takes place, the truth about it is revealed:

"...at differing levels of certainty to diverse people and at different
times. In this way, they [the plotters] could avert a concerted counter
thrust to their illegitimate seizure of power. Democratic forces could
not unite against the new illegitimate governmental apparatus because of
timing. The insights of what had occurred dawned in the minds of the
decent citizens at different times and with different degrees of
clarity." (Vincent Salandria, False Mystery, p. 103)

Salandria believes that often in the Kennedy case, "The new rulers
carefully and selectively orchestrated revelations of their bloody work,
so as to gain therefrom the deference to which they felt they were
entitled by their ascendancy to absolute power." For 911, a possible
example of an orchestrated revelation would be the NASA thermal survey
showing ground temperatures days and weeks after 911 that were
inconsistent with a normal hydrocarbon fire, boasting of their sins
rather than confessing them. I don't waste much time wondering whether
there was such intent behind the NASA survey, or whether the bureaucracy
unwittingly produced this early revelatory finding. The NASA survey
failed to produce a collective epiphany because of how slowly
information spreads, how ill-equipped most people are to use it, and
because even those best equipped to understand it also know the vagaries
of research and look for further evidence to confirm or disconfirm it,
as have the authors of "Active Thermitic Material." Sly boast or
bureacratic release, the effect is the same.

Only now, the facts that matter politically are in, and if I expect the
mainstream media to do everything in its power to ignore and distort the
findings of unignited thermitic material in the WTC dust � and I do � I
was still a little surprised to find the Managing Editor of OPEDNEWS
doing the same thing. Perhaps I should not have been.

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Neolibertarian

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May 3, 2009, 6:22:31 PM5/3/09
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In article <OrSdnQgsWMhFnWPU...@giganews.com>,
J Morgan <John...@email.non> wrote:

> See original for pics and additional hyperlinks:
> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pardon-Our-Dust-or-Why-t-by-Michael-Green-090
> 417-989.html
>
> Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters by Michael
> Green (posted April 20, 2009 at opednews.com)
>
> John R. Moffett, the distinguished neuroscientist and managing editor of
> OPEDNEWS,

One would think an actual neuroscientist would know better than to
pretend to be a forensic detective.

As a managing editor of "OpEdNews," one would presume him a lunatic
statist, or an anarchist, or worse.

http://www.opednews.com/

> has brought his considerable prestige

Heh.

> to bear on the issue of
> whether the Twin Towers and WTC7 were destroyed by controlled demolition
> using the incendiary and sometimes explosive thermite as a key
> component. Unfortunately, he has done so with either malicious
> incompetence, or worse, a cynical deliberate determination to distort,
> conceal, and suppress the findings

Motive, means and opportunity.

All three are lacking.

Conflation of facts and circumstantial evidence are irrelevant without
motive, means and opportunity.

Not being a "neuroscientist," I'm aware that "extraordinary claims
require extraordinary proof."

--
Neolibertarian

"Global Warming: It ain't the heat, it's the stupidity."

MEG

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May 3, 2009, 7:26:44 PM5/3/09
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On May 3, 1:39 pm, J Morgan <JohnM...@email.non> wrote:

Piss off, Muzzi

J Morgan

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Freewhilin Franklin wrote:

> On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:39:02 -0500, J Morgan <John...@email.non> wrote:
>
>> See original for pics and additional hyperlinks:
>> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pardon-Our-Dust-or-Why-t-by-Michael-Green-090417-989.html
>>
>> Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters by Michael
>> Green (posted April 20, 2009 at opednews.com)
>>
>> John R. Moffett, the distinguished neuroscientist and managing editor of
>> OPEDNEWS, has brought his considerable prestige to bear on the issue of
>
>
> Neuroscientist? Oh sure he know lots about explosives, building demolition,
> and analytical chemistry. Try again kooker.

The Anti-Muslim Nazi thugs call those who question 9/11 kooks while
their aim is to conceal the truth.

Here is what Wiki says:
"Neuroscientist is sometimes used synonymously with neurobiologist."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscientist


The evidence that first brought me around to considering 911 as a USG
covert operation was the National Aeronautics and Science
Administration's (NASA's) publication of a thermal survey taken
September 16, 2001, that showed ground temperature hot spots of 1,100
and 1,400 degrees Fahrenheit. Such temperatures are far too high to be
produced by an open-air hydrocarbon fire except in very short bursts,
but certainly not as an enduring after-effect. Students of 911 have
collected a vast array of evidence that temperatures at the WTC were
generated far in excess of what normal hydrocarbon fires could produce.
The evidence includes eyewitness testimony of molten iron or steel weeks
after the event, videos of orange molten metal pouring from the South
Tower minutes before its destruction, and microspheres of once-molten
iron in the dust examined by the United States Geological Survey
forensics team (without further comment or analysis!).

Images of the World Trade Center Site Show Thermal Hot Spots on
September 16 and 23, 2001.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0405/ofr-01-0405.html

>> Snip massive fraud by Kooker Kon artists. You know what being on the grift means?

The fraud was commited on 9/11 by anti-Muslim terrorist, 9/11 is an
anti-Muslim hate crime.
>
> Thermite IS NOT USED for demo moron.

It is possible that thermite wasused to melt sections of the WTC steel
beams.
http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/small/thermite.htm

>
> Give it up already, this stupid shit has been debunked innumberable times yet
> you loons keep dragging it up like it means something.

It is a major crime that some people don't wanted investigated.

MEG

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May 4, 2009, 1:42:40 PM5/4/09
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On May 4, 8:02 am, J Morgan <JohnM...@email.non> wrote:

Morgan the Muslim..Elif air ab dinikh

Muslim goal is to stir up any kind of shit in hopes of causing
discontent and possibly destabilize the government.
Muslims have one goal, A Muslim world.
It doesn't matter how stupid and barbaric their idiotic religion is,
these are people of weak minds and no will and they see Islam and
their fairy spook allah as their savior.

Rape in Iran is punishable by death. . . for the victim, that is.

Saudi prince Waleed bin Talal – Americas’s foreign policy was
responsible for the attacks on 9-11.

The symbol of the veil is so important that in 2002 in Mecca,
religious officials allowed fifteen schoolgirls perish in a fire
rather than let them seek refuge outside without their head coverings.

Devout Muslims have made no secret of their intentions to Islamize the
United States. Abdurahaman Alamoudi, former head of the American
Muslim Council has observed, whether it takes “ten years or a hundred
years,” the United States will become a Muslim country.

In reference to a march 2002 attack against American churchgoers in
Pakistan journalist Stephan McDonald wrote: “as, ‘moderate’ Muslims
rolled 6 grenades down the aisle of a church packed with worshipers in
the diplomatic enclave of Karachi, the message is clear.

100% of the most dangerous terrorists are Muslims:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm

Tears of Jihad: http://www.politicalislam.com/tears/pages/tears-of-jihad

American Muslim leader Khalid Abdul Muhammad speaks about whites (2
minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJh_mNXPw-E

Hate preaching in Western mosques (2 min. video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tWTtveFL8

Elif air ab dinikh

Adam Whyte-Settlar

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May 5, 2009, 7:20:55 AM5/5/09
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"J Morgan" <John...@email.non> wrote in message
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> Freewhilin Franklin wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 May 2009 15:39:02 -0500, J Morgan <John...@email.non> wrote:
>>
>>> See original for pics and additional hyperlinks:
>>> http://www.opednews.com/articles/Pardon-Our-Dust-or-Why-t-by-Michael-Green-090417-989.html
>>>
>>> Pardon Our Dust, or, Why the World Trade Center Dust Matters by Michael
>>> Green (posted April 20, 2009 at opednews.com)
>>>
>>> John R. Moffett, the distinguished neuroscientist and managing editor of
>>> OPEDNEWS, has brought his considerable prestige to bear on the issue of
>>
>>
>> Neuroscientist? Oh sure he know lots about explosives, building
>> demolition,
>> and analytical chemistry. Try again kooker.
>
> The Anti-Muslim Nazi thugs call those who question 9/11 kooks while their
> aim is to conceal the truth.

I'm not an 'Anti-Muslim Nazi thug' - most insults I get are along the lines
of 'socialist', (not an insult anywhere except parts of the US) 'loony
left', Saddam-lover' and all the other pathetic crap that these neo-nazi
scum spew.
And I'm calling you an idiot and a kook too.
Allow me to draw your attention to the video of two fucking great jets
crashing into the Towers and exploding in a huge fireball!
Sheesh. I think that's a clue as to why they collapsed (from the TOP DOWN)
don't you.
You stupid unwittinging shills only function is to detract attention from
the *important* questions about the Trade Tower attacks.
Every single so-called 'point' you shills have raised has been
comprehensively and repeatedly debunked from one side of the planet to the
other.
You idiots are even an embarrassment to conspiracy theorists for fuck's
sake.

(plonk)


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