antiamerican manifesto
galathaea
it's an insiders game
whether you call that team
corporation or count
it has always been that interplay
of favor and power
that ruins the healthy state
if you have never read
the decline and fall of the roman empire
by edward gibbon
and you want to be a responsible suffragist
you should
the founders of the american empire
were very learned of history
many had a good eye towards the practical
and a number were as brilliant engineers
as they were politicians
they knew it was an insider's game
many of them were the insiders
and although they made sure
to rig things up a bit for themselves
and set their investors up handily
they also constructed some interesting safeguards
that have helped the machine
maintain a semblance of health over these many years
they left warnings too
benjamin franklin once said:
any society that would give up a little liberty
to gain a little security
will deserve neither
and lose both
he also said:
all mankind is divided into three classes
those that are immovable
those that are movable
and those that move
the antiamerican
recognises these as deep warnings for the revolutionary
the antiamerican
also recognises that there is a gluttonous rot in places
that abuses have grown in parts of the
american government machine
and these harmful structures must be revised
america needs a revolution
it needs a reawakening
to the constant revolution
that is vigilance for freedom
we must be antiamerican
to preserve america
so
in order to secure a more healthy nation
eased of the rot of insider fortune
here then are the planks
of the antiamerican party
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1 + representative government
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the danger has never been the campaign contributions
that is just a red herring
to the real heart of the sickness:
the power of the two parties
the dichotmisation and package deal disease
where choices are brokered by
the "lesser of two evils"
and "evil" allowed to grow
it doesn't matter whose choice of "evil" it is
when everyone is forced to broker in the broken
a fixin' ain't about to come
the house of representatives must be reformed
to use a proportionment system
where seats are alotted to parties
based on percentage vote across the country
each party attains
the house should not have state or regional proportionment
that is the province of the senate
where we should entrust the spirit of our region
in equal representation win-or-lose
as we currently do
parties need to be the place to entrust
beliefs and positions
but recent history has shown an entrapment of many
people
who had often voted for republicans
because they respected fiscal conservativism
when faced with their party being controlled
by the economically irresponsible southern republicans
had no real options to make their vote count
voting libertarian really is throwing your vote away
people
who had voted democratic
because they felt the government should take strong measures
to protect the health of the environment and its citizens
but were strongly antiwar
when faced with john kerry
who could not renounce the war
were voiceless
voting green really is throwing your vote away
voting is how our debaters are chosen
by polling the populace
that has always been its purpose
that polling must allow for trichotomisation
or furthur
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2 + the money triangle
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the real check and balance is money
if each branch of government
funds its cyclic partner
judicial funds congress
congress funds executive
executive funds judicial
in that order
(and only that order)
then true checks and balances will stabilise
conflicts will tend to cut funding
growing the treasury
and the elected officials will be pressured to compromise
in order to feed the machine
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3 + military industrial reform
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war powers
have been abused for years in america
in the indochine
south america
and now the middle east
arms sales
covert training
america has fomented war abroad
here is why:
- if the american military suppliers
are to function as businesses
they need their product consumed
- if the american military is to be the strongest
its suppliers need to be the most desired
the best selling
it is quality through quantity
the root of industrial transaction
america wants to maintain
its strongest power status
and if it can use this
to strongarm access to resources in the process
then it can maintain energy superiority
these are things that
are not supposed to be discussed in the open
but every good voter should know
however
the destructive influence
the hatred that is sown
and insecurity bred
is how empires fall
we need to ensure
our military defends america's long term interest
which are stability
and peace
we must reorganise the complex to defense
it has been shown
that challenges stimulate competion and innovation
setting prizes and government contracts
as contingent on observable criteria and challenges
for defensive capabilities for america and its allies
will help remove insider favor
and ensure our money is spent on real defensive value
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4 + health metrics
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scientific metrics of health
exist for most engineering practices
we have inspection lists for building safety
deduction systems for diagnosing human illness
ecological measurements on the stability of ecosystems
economic measures of the health of macroeconomic systems
the government must make explicit
the metrics it uses to interpret its lawful action
its environmental protection
its drug approval and rating
its actions against potential monopolies
must answer:
against what metric?
this must be done
so that these metrics may be debated
in the caucus of the sciences
and the citizenry can more finely adjust
the function of their government
our commitment to our environment
must be drawn explicit
for this veil of ignorance
erected by the current administration
for the favor of the energy insiders
must be revealed to the light of scrutiny
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5 + online education
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an educated nation
is a engineering powerhouse
and a brilliant financial success
it breeds innovation and dominance in world affairs
but what we have
is a nation of mediocre educators
and a flailing international presence
outside of our colleges
with computer-based education
we can have interactivity far beyond
the teacher-with-blackboard paradigm
videos
interactive games
specialisations for individual students
if students become freed from the confinements of location
the best of teachers' lessons can be shared by all
parents and students
gain more control over their study path
and practice can be oriented
to the specific difficulties of the student
students can take the time they need for a topic
employers can get more specific information
on topics mastered
a map of the students progress
quick students can present quicker credentials
of course
the babysitting duty for those households that require it
will still be needed
but the benefits of an online education are orthogonal
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6 + a secure and open machine
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voting machines have been making many headlines
there is a general distrust in their operation
and it is outrageous their integrity
is not taken as seriously as a video poker machine
or an atm
we must make voting machines
open to inspection of both source and design
security through obscurity
is always a snake-oil solution
the citizen must have confidence that real security measures
the ones that are not afraid to hide from scrutiny
exist when handling the most important of ciizen powers
the vote
but voting machines are not the only machinery
citizens must trust
it is possible and necessary
to open all software used by the government
up to the same inspection standards
this need not interfere with security classifications
if we allow for calls to classified subroutines
(for algorithms we desire kept secret)
which the citizen then knows will do the bidding
of those in power
the data flowing through the programs
will maintain its classification status
as this is not a call to runtime inspection
citizens need to know though
whether the irs algorithm to choose audits
is truly random (and securely so)
and whether their phone communications secure
or whether there are people that can abuse those decisions
because the citizens own
whether that should be possible or not
in a true democratic republic
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7 + continuous refactoring
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agile business theory
has shown that organisations which remain flexible
to a changing environment
can provide better responsiveness as new needs arise
the customer of government is the citizen
we must optimise the supply chain of government action
constantly vigilant to bloat and beauracracy
models
simulations
and test metrics
are how we measure and predict
a lean government
we must be willing to regularly inspect
the functioning of our government
expand the government accounting office powers
and reorganise when our models and metrics indicate
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8 + stable monetary policy
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we must federalise control of our currency
we must codify a fixed reference to value
into the law of our land
silver
gold
even molybdenum or ytterbium
are acceptable federal foundations for money
it does not matter the durable good
only that its value is stable
and that our government does not pay interest
to third-party banks
as fealty
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all of these positions
are based on model dynamics of government growth
the antiamerican party
is dedicated to the construction
of models of the american government
using the ontology of
departments and powers
simulating structural dynamics
and applying metrics of health on them
we are not infallible
but unlike other parties
the antiamerican party admits it openly
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brought to you by the antiamerican party
the revolution never ends
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galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
George
"galathaea" <gala...@veawb.coop> wrote in message
news:galathaea-251...@10.0.1.2...
>
> it's an insiders game
Irrelevant to any of the newsgroups on which you posted it.
George
galathaea
"George" <geo...@yourservice.com> wrote:
!! "galathaea" <gala...@veawb.coop> wrote in message
!! news:galathaea-251...@10.0.1.2...
!! >
!! > it's an insiders game
!!
!! Irrelevant to any of the newsgroups on which you posted it.
not at all irrelevant
take the first plank of the manifesto
proportional representation
this is a theorem in mathematics
you have multiple positions
you wish to broker
call them Position(individual) :=
( p1(individual), p2(individual), p3(individual), ... )
an ordered set
now define a voting session V
as a snapshot of the positions of all individuals
give it the data structure of a vector (computer science)
we can define a statistics over the session
and calculate frequency percentages of positions
result mappings are transformations of a voting system
that takes a voting session to a set of representatives
Result: V -> R
the current american house system
maps results
by partitioning the voting population
into subcollections { c1, c2, c3, ... } by state regions
where the positions voted for
are the representatives
and then taking a substatistic frequency
assigning the greatest percentage winner
the region collection process already creates skew
from a base per-position vote of the populace
now look at the dynamics this process acquires
so the voter must evaluate candidates
in some internal logical evaluation of positions
and include the candidate that best represents their view
but
since these representatives themselves vote
and positions won by majority (or other)
if the citizen desires their position
respected in government actions
they must look to the party structures
and the party's own positions
this is where party power plays
an n-party system quickly evolves to a 2-party system
through the "lesser of two evils" (l2e) gambit
choosing 3 parties as the kernel of the proof
you may order your preferences a > b > c
in terms of current party actions
but you may be faced with a natural popular favoring
c > b > a
if those who prefer a were to vote for a
c will likely win
if those who prefer a were to vote for b
b will likely win
so when positions vary in importance
an individual can become trapped in their choices
they may not be able to vote for someone
that represents their important position
without enabling decisions they disagree with
quickly the dynamics dichotomise
so plank 1 is actually
a calculated blow to power structures
it removes power from the two parties
and restores it to the citizens
allowing the important ability of
"position factioning"
if a majority of the populace
is against segregation
the parties that are against segregation
can faction for this important decision
and people can vote for the parties
without the l2e gambit interfering
this actually places selective forces on the parties
to best represent the platforms they propose
and a lot of the rot of influence
is naturally selected away
are you doing something important here?
this netcopping?
is that "signal-to-noise ratio" god of yours so important
that you must attack posts
that want real mathematical results for living?
that you not even consider the post
in the terms of the groups it was posted?
you see
we are quite serious
this is real human blood being spilt today
this hour
right now
and fat rich families
getting fatter and richer
the treasury is being robbed
privacy is being derided
torture is being debated
the antiamerican party
is an anarchist movement
for securing the health of the citizenry
and their collective property in government
we don't need scientists for jihad
they are a dime a dozen
what we need are logicians for jihad
a nonviolent jihad
of ideas
and mathematical results
free lev landau!
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reinsert for context
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it's an insiders game
whether you call that team
Tonico
Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
idiots are funnier than this one, though that
"Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
get funnier in the future!
Tonio
galathaea
Tonico wrote:
[...]
> ***********************************************************************
> Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
> Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
> mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
> says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
> I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
> post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
> idiots are funnier than this one, though that
> "Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
> get funnier in the future!
ok
since you seem to consider yourself
speaker of the group
lay it on the line
show everyone what a great mathematician you are
and answer for everyone to see:
do you claim the method used to choose representatives
the regional exclusive model of america
or
the european proportional representative version
makes no difference to the statistical representation of positions?
it makes a difference
or it doesn't
is this a mathematical result or not?
i eagerly await your smug response
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George
"Tonico" <Toni...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> galathaea wrote:
>> In article <Sy2ah.15059$T6....@bignews5.bellsouth.net>,
>> "George" <geo...@yourservice.com> wrote:
>>
>> !! "galathaea" <gala...@veawb.coop> wrote in message
>> !! news:galathaea-251...@10.0.1.2...
>> !! >
>> !! > it's an insiders game
>> !!
>> !! Irrelevant to any of the newsgroups on which you posted it.
>>
>> not at all irrelevant
<snip> Learn to snip, will ya? TIA.
> Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
> Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
> mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
> says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
> I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
> post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
> idiots are funnier than this one, though that
> "Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
> get funnier in the future!
> Tonio
George
George
"galathaea" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164529595.5...@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
What the hell does your post have to do with sci.physics?
George
Roger
If it won't work for the hardest science, it won't for one of the softest
social sciences.
"galathaea" <gala...@veawb.coop> wrote in message
news:galathaea-251...@10.0.1.2...
Tonico
galathaea wrote:
> Tonico wrote:
> [...]
> > ***********************************************************************
> > Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
> > Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
> > mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
> > says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
> > I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
> > post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
> > idiots are funnier than this one, though that
> > "Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
> > get funnier in the future!
>
>
> ok
> since you seem to consider yourself
> speaker of the group
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I do? What d'ya know...!
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> lay it on the line
>
> show everyone what a great mathematician you are
> and answer for everyone to see:
> do you claim the method used to choose representatives
> the regional exclusive model of america
> or
> the european proportional representative version
> makes no difference to the statistical representation of positions?
>
> it makes a difference
> or it doesn't
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Who cares? How can I claim such a thing if I don't give a damn!? :)
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> is this a mathematical result or not?
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Also paying $3.00 dls. to buy a pacifier is...
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> i eagerly await your smug response
********************************************
How eagerly?...
So now your rather idiotic, feverish rantings about the hell knows what
in political affairs in America are....mathematical? What an
idiot...LOL!
Ok, at least my last wish in my last post begins to come true: this
crank is getting funnier. Good!
Tonio
galathaea
"George" <geo...@yourservice.com> ecrit:
!! "galathaea" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote in message
!! news:1164529595.5...@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
!!
!! <snip>
!!
!! What the hell does your post have to do with sci.physics?
i am glad you have accepted relevancy for the other groups
and i hope your irritation is consequently relieved some
your new question
strikes at the root of the acceptance
of a physical basis for ethics
as nicolis and prigogine write
in the introduction to their classic
"self-organisation in nonequilibrium systems"
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" Classical physics has emphasised stability and permanence.
We now see that, at best, such a qualification applies
only to very limited aspects. Wherever we look, we
discover evolutionary processes leading to diversification
and increasing complexity. This shift in our vision of
the physical world leads us to investigate branches of
physics and mathematics that are likely to be of interst
in this new context. "
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if one is to set about
and develop a theory of ethics
amenable to the physical sciences
one must provide the foundations of a physical theory
ethics concern entities and decisions they make
what are these entities?
modern physical models of biogenesis show
biological systems as localisations of geochemical cycles
through heterotrophic hypercycles and autocatalysis
abstracting the models
gives us a working model of life
as a chemical information structure
whose reaction evolution over a reactant source
provides as products
the components of the information structure
social structures are also physical structures of information
and their properties similarly measurable
decisions are abstracted into
the physical evolution of these systems
which become contingent on sensory structures
and long-term potentiation
what does it mean to propose an ethical decision structure
for this model of biology?
the antiamerican party takes this to mean
physical metrics of health
sustainable consumption of resources
growth
diversity for hybrid vigor
and robustness to external environmental stresses
in the physics department where i graduated
physical exobiology had just started
as an active research branch of astrophysics
and a separate team was working on tunable lasers
to detect parts per billion and beyond
of environmental contaminants
the convergence should be apparent
if there are physical metrics of health
applied to physical systems
ethics can become a politic
economics is an energy structure
every metric is a metric to a chosen structure
there can be conflicts of metrics
and conflicts of the ethics thus derived
how do we engineer our environment to these metrics?
what is the physical basis of conflict resolution?
this is not a revolution for the interests of its organisers
this is a revolution in the foundations of ideas
for it takes the position that
information really is power
it gives us the ability to manipulate our reality
in ways that can change our every-day
the days of our waking life
that we observe with our senses
and trouble over in the depths of our limbics
as people are murdered
in darfur
iraq
responsible physicists must be political
this is our world
the world of life
showing signs of instability
the ghosts of akademgorodok march on...
they left warnings too
he also said:
so
arms sales
covert training
here is why:
the vote
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we are not infallible
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the revolution never ends
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galathaea
Tonico wrote:
> galathaea wrote:
> > Tonico wrote:
> > [...]
> > > ***********************************************************************
> > > Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
> > > Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
> > > mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
> > > says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
> > > I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
> > > post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
> > > idiots are funnier than this one, though that
> > > "Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
> > > get funnier in the future!
> >
> >
> > ok
> > since you seem to consider yourself
> > speaker of the group
>
> **********************************************************
> I do? What d'ya know...!
you used the political "we"
funny that nervous laughter...
take the humorous tale of lord kelvin
protecter of the beacon of truth in thermodynamics
in the 1864 royal society of edinburgh transactions
he published
" the secular cooling of the earth "
developed the popular notion of heat death
from limit behavior of solutions
in fourier's mathematical theory of conduction
with the detach of the intellect
the haughtiness and smug
he argued:
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The fact that the temperature increases with the depth
implies a continual loss of heat from the interior, by
conduction outwards through or into the upper crust.
Hence, since the upper crust does not become hotter
from year to year, there must be a secular loss of heat
from the whole earth. It is possible that no cooling may
result from this loss of heat, but only an exhaustion of
potential energy, which in this case could scarcely be
other than chemical affinity between substances forming
part of the earth's mass. But it is certain that either the
earth is becoming on the whole cooler from age to age,
or the heat conducted out is generated in the interior by
temporary dynamical (that is, in this case, chemical) action.
[5] To suppose, as Lyell, adopting the chemical hypothesis,
has done, [6] that the substances, combining together,
may be again separated electrolytically by thermo-electric
currents, due to the heat generated by their combination,
and thus the chemical action and its heat continued in
an endless cycle, violates the principles of natural
philosophy in exactly the same manner, and to the
same degree, as to believe that a clock constructed
with a self-winding movement may fulfil the expectations
of its ingenious inventor by going for ever.
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all the impeccable
solid reasoning of the standards of the era
quite the proper troll-bustin'
one could hope from such an ancient usenet
in the grace of mathematics
he then proceeds to cast a spell in symbols
solving the basic differential equations
of undergrad thermo-d
graphing thermoclines
demonstrating his ontology
of vulcanism and refrigeration
states of matter in rock
and the evolution of heat
building a structure of support for his conclusions
1 degree per 50 british feet descent
which he had insisted was
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For eighteen years it has pressed on my mind, that
essential principles of Thermo-dynamics have been
overlooked by those geologists who uncompromisingly
oppose all paroxysmal hypostheses, and maintain not
only that we have examples now before us, on the earth,
of all the different actions by which its crust has been
modified in geological history, but that these actions
have never, or have not on the whole, been more violent
in past time than they are at present.
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this paper shows 98,000,000 years as being a sound upper limit
for the age of the earth
and gives reasons why lower estimates are even better supported
later papers expand upon this work
stating
among other claims
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To form a closer estimate of the time which has passed since
the consolidation of the earth ... experimental investigation has
supplied much of the knowledge then wanting regarding the
thermal properties of rocks to form a closer estimate of the time
which has passed since the consolidation of the earth, we have
now good reason for judging that it was more than 20,000,000
and less than 40,000,000 years ago, and probably much nearer
20 than 40.
.....................................................
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he eventually settled on estimates of
24,000,000 in 1897
brushing on some tight error bounds
as is the wont of the rational physicist
darwin and lyell had proposed much larger estimates
which at their minimum were 200,000,000 years
and which darwin preferred to extend at least to
340,000,000 years to match assumed rates of evolution
there was an unbridgeable gap
which kelvin vocally attacked
demeaning the clocks as evidenced
biology and geology
huxley noted:
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Mathematics may be compared to a mill of exquisite
workmanship, which grinds you stuff of any degree of fineness;
but, nevertheless, what you get out depends upon what you
put in; and as the grandest mill in the world will not extract
wheat-flour from peascods, so pages of formulæ will not
get a definite result out of loose data.
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but it of course took more evidence
as is always necessary in physical claims
eventually
as is well known
a new internal energy source
radioactivity
was discovered
and the ages pushed back beyond 4 billion
other quotable kelvin includes
" Radio has no future "
" I can state flatly that heavier than air
flying machines are impossible "
the problem was
he was too limited to consider
his world view as limited
and limiting
there are many strange and wondrous ontologies
mathematics allows us to model
you are the one who does not understand what mathematics _is_
tonio
mathematics is a tool of technology
if mathematics does not get its meaning
from what it helps us model from our experience
it does not get any meaning
you see
you are the troll here
you are the one trying to stop
a valid mathematical debate here
using agressive alpha male behavior
(with awkward laughs)
you pretend i am not earnest
when i have been most emphatically so
you dirty rational discussion
with your appeals to derision
and other fallacious goading
you are the crank
like kelvin
you cannot believe it possible
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galathaea
> galathaea wrote:
> > Tonico wrote:
> > [...]
> > > ***********************************************************************
> > > Oh, well: seems like we're gonna have to get used to this idiot
> > > Galaethea posting nonsenses without any relation at all with
> > > mathematics, and when somebody nicely points this out to him, the idiot
> > > says his nonsenses are mathematical stuff...
> > > I wonder how many kinds of different and idiotic cranks / trolls can
> > > post in our group. Apparently, a lot. Let's just hope that the other
> > > idiots are funnier than this one, though that
> > > "Antiamerican Party" thing has a rather comical twist...hopefully it'll
> > > get funnier in the future!
> >
> >
> > ok
> > since you seem to consider yourself
> > speaker of the group
>
> **********************************************************
> I do? What d'ya know...!
you used the political "we"
> **********************************************************
funny that nervous laughter...
stating
among other claims
huxley noted:
other quotable kelvin includes
" Radio has no future "
tonio
you are the crank
like kelvin
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galathaea
gödel has nothing to do with science
in fact
his results in incompleteness are anti science
in that they apply only to those areas of mathematics
that do not correspond to real model effects
i will not be enticed
to enter the realm of hopelessness so easily
when correspondence is as easy as bayes...
Tonico
galathaea wrote:
(Pretty incoherent nonsense erased)
> there are many strange and wondrous ontologies
> mathematics allows us to model
>
> you are the one who does not understand what mathematics _is_
>
> tonio
>
> mathematics is a tool of technology
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No. It MAY be a tool for some people in whatever: technology,
economics, buying diapers in a grocery store, etc. It is NOT
intrinsically, as you seem to imply, a tool of whatever.
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> if mathematics does not get its meaning
> from what it helps us model from our experience
> it does not get any meaning
************************************************************************
No. The ancient greeks (Pythagoras, Plato & al.) showed to all that it
is possible to do maths without any further "real-world application"
but....to have pleasure: it is beautiful, intellectually challenging,
increidibly pleasant to do maths.
For YOU it may have no meaning if it doesn't serve YOU to make a
machine or to calculate some interests: that's your problem, your
limitations, not maths'.
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> you see
> you are the troll here
>
> you are the one trying to stop
> a valid mathematical debate here
> using agressive alpha male behavior
> (with awkward laughs)
*************************************************************************
"Valid mathematical debate here"?!? Are you that false, hypocrite and
liar (Hey! That's how you call yourself at the end of your posts....I
should have guessed) that you try to convince intelligent people, at
least as intelligent as yourself and very possibly much more, that your
socio-political whinning is?? Common....I thought better of
you....ts,ts,ts.
And "aggresive alpha male"....pssst! What a language..
************************************************************************
> you pretend i am not earnest
> when i have been most emphatically so
>
> you dirty rational discussion
> with your appeals to derision
> and other fallacious goading
>
> you are the crank
>
> like kelvin
>
> you cannot believe it possible
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> galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
****************************************************************
Here it is! You call yourself a liar: well done. I still insist tho
that you should add "idiot" and/or even "dishonest, demagogic and
haughty blockhead"
Regards
Tonio
Phineas T Puddleduck
"galathaea" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you are the crank
>
> like kelvin
>
> you cannot believe it possible
I cannot believe its possible you can walk and talk at the same time as
posting your obvious nonsense. Perhaps you may wish to spend some time
learning what the "shift" key does for a start.
--
Just \int_0^\infty du it!
--
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Phineas T Puddleduck
> you see
> you are the troll here
>
> you are the one trying to stop
> a valid mathematical debate here
> using agressive alpha male behavior
> (with awkward laughs)
"Help Help I'm being repressed!!"
Roger
"galathaea" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164608226.1...@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Jeff…Relf
The only real ballot is the U.S. dollar.
You lose your voting power with every dollar that's taxed away.
Besides... no real choices exist.
Living faster just means dying faster... it's not a real choice.
Each is imprisoned in a virtual casino, and the house always wins in the end.
Nothing is truly random; so all changes, all choices, are virtual.
galathaea
"Tonico" <Toni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
!! galathaea wrote:
[...]
!! > you see
!! > you are the troll here
!! >
!! > you are the one trying to stop
!! > a valid mathematical debate here
!! > using agressive alpha male behavior
!! > (with awkward laughs)
!!
!! *************************************************************************
!! "Valid mathematical debate here"?!? Are you that false, hypocrite and
!! liar (Hey! That's how you call yourself at the end of your posts....I
!! should have guessed) that you try to convince intelligent people, at
!! least as intelligent as yourself and very possibly much more, that your
!! socio-political whinning is?? Common....I thought better of
!! you....ts,ts,ts.
!! And "aggresive alpha male"....pssst! What a language..
!! ************************************************************************
!!
!! > you pretend i am not earnest
!! > when i have been most emphatically so
!! >
!! > you dirty rational discussion
!! > with your appeals to derision
!! > and other fallacious goading
!! >
!! > you are the crank
!! >
!! > like kelvin
!! >
!! > you cannot believe it possible
!! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
!! > galathaea: prankster, fablist, magician, liar
!!
!! ****************************************************************
!! Here it is! You call yourself a liar: well done. I still insist tho
!! that you should add "idiot" and/or even "dishonest, demagogic and
!! haughty blockhead"
Listen, Tonio. I am sorry you have made up your mind about
the topic and cannot accept that I am earnest. I am sorry
that you cannot see what I believe is obvious mathematical
content. I am sorry that you continue to add nothing to the
thread, despite having been shown that same mathematics.
You are impotent, and that makes you angry.
You see, I chose to post in sci.math for a reason. I chose
to post in sci.logic for a reason, and so on. From every group,
I desired an approach to the issues presented that follows the
guidelines of that group. Not only do I merely say this, but I
back it up in ways quite consistent with my past posts and my
life experience.
But this angers your impotency so.
You could choose to respond to my mathematical claims, that
the choice of result evaluation methods in elections determines
the dynamics of party politics and the types of voting choices
a responsible citizen should make. Or you could choose to
counter any of the other model claims in the planks. Or, if
as you claim, you are not interested in the thread, you could
just ignore it. Hell, you don't even need to approach these
issues from a mathematical point of view. That is why it is
cross-posted, so that the thread is free to approach the topics
in any manner seen suitable across the various groups.
But instead, you troll around.
Reread the initial post, Tonio. See where I specifically mention:
all of these positions
are based on model dynamics of government growth
the antiamerican party
is dedicated to the construction
of models of the american government
using the ontology of
departments and powers
If these are words you do not understand, or you cannot see the
importance of mathematics to this whole debate, that is okay.
You do not see a lot of things.
If I had said:
======================================
V = x^3 + y^3 + wxy - ux - vy
Consider the set C of critical points of V(x, y), when
(u, v, w) are constant; this set is a three-dimensional
manifold defined by V_x = V_y = 0, that is
u = 3x^2 + wy
v = 3y^2 + wx
======================================
would you see I was talking about ocean waves? If I then
brought up hyperbolic umbilics, could you see the sparkle
of caustic refractions in glass?
Of course not, impotent troll.
I hope at least I have made this easier for you to read.
It will be the last time I sacrifice time for you.
====================
reinsert for context
====================
> to preserve america
>
> so
>
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Tonico
galathaea ha escrito:
> In article <1164614511.0...@l12g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>,
> "Tonico" <Toni...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
.....................................................
>
> Listen, Tonio. I am sorry you have made up your mind about
> the topic and cannot accept that I am earnest. I am sorry
> that you cannot see what I believe is obvious mathematical
> content. I am sorry that you continue to add nothing to the
> thread, despite having been shown that same mathematics.
>
> You are impotent, and that makes you angry.
>
> You see, I chose to post in sci.math for a reason. I chose
> to post in sci.logic for a reason, and so on. From every group,
> I desired an approach to the issues presented that follows the
> guidelines of that group. Not only do I merely say this, but I
> back it up in ways quite consistent with my past posts and my
> life experience.
>
> But this angers your impotency so
.....[usual stupidities with some partial derivatives this time
snipped....]
*******************************************************************
Good Gala, good! At least you wrote the above message, FINALLY!!, using
capital letters at the beginning of sentences, and without the
annoying, rather stupid and absurd "a la rotten poetry from the early
1920's" style of your first posts...good, girl!
About being impotent: nah, you're wrong, again, in that. But it if
makes you feel better to believe I'm impotent so be it: I really don't
care, and it makes you feel good...
You cross-posted your nonsense in several groups because you wanted to
reach as many people as possible with your rantings. So far so good.
Now trying to show some imagined, fantastic relation between your
political/economical/social/whatever points of view and maths, or
physics , is deeply dishonest and stupid: it does NOT exists. Period.
Want a REALLY, really mathematical discussion on the elections' system
in the USA or wherever? Fine then: post a message without ANY further
and LEEEEEENGTHY rantings on antiamercian parties and bozoian (=from
Bozo the Clown. You're welcome) stupidities.
Alpha-Male-laughing regards
Tonio
Phineas T Puddleduck
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
Jeff, thats a real sad indictment of your own lack of control over your
life. The rest of us choose our fate, its only you who is unable to see
that.
T Wake
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...
> Hi Galathaea, The ballot box is a ruse...
> The only real ballot is the U.S. dollar.
> You lose your voting power with every dollar that's taxed away.
Blimey, you just cant stop saying this can you?
> Besides... no real choices exist.
Really? Prove it.
> Living faster just means dying faster... it's not a real choice.
Nonsense.
> Each is imprisoned in a virtual casino, and the house always wins in the
> end.
Nonsense.
> Nothing is truly random; so all changes, all choices, are virtual.
Nonsense.
Well done Jeff, another meaningless word salad.
George
> <jjcah.10096$k6....@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
> "George" <geo...@yourservice.com> ecrit:
>
> !! "galathaea" <gala...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> !! news:1164529595.5...@l39g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> !!
> !! <snip>
> !!
> !! What the hell does your post have to do with sci.physics?
>
> i am glad you have accepted relevancy for the other groups
> and i hope your irritation is consequently relieved some
<snipped 500 line non-answer>
Ugh! A troll. Bye.
George
galathaea
Jeff Relf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
!! Hi Galathaea, The ballot box is a ruse...
!! The only real ballot is the U.S. dollar.
!! You lose your voting power with every dollar that's taxed away.
!!
!! Besides... no real choices exist.
!! Living faster just means dying faster... it's not a real choice.
!! Each is imprisoned in a virtual casino, and the house always wins in the end.
!!
!! Nothing is truly random; so all changes, all choices, are virtual.
!!
Hi Jeff, What Role do you play???
The theater is full of Actors and Actresses.
We hold Our Scripts as dirty Secrets.
What is your Teleology?
...The Final Purpose?
The Heat Death?
I Say:: =)
There is a hopeful Path.
I Say::
The Apocalyse is not nigh.
We are nowhere near the End,,
Yet..
There is still quite an Entropic cascade to enjoy on our Stage.
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Galathaea: Prankster, Fablist, Magician, Liar
Jeff…Relf
its name was Caesar... Caesar of what ? I thought.
The cosmos is infinie in extent and depth. All I want is
domain over my little chunk of time, space and Gibbs_Free_Energy.
As programmers, no one understands that better than you and I.
Eric Gisse
Jeff...Relf wrote:
> Hi Galathaea, I met a girl walking her 5 pound dog the other day...
> its name was Caesar... Caesar of what ? I thought.
>
> The cosmos is infinie in extent and depth. All I want is
> domain over my little chunk of time, space and Gibbs_Free_Energy.
Without referencing Wikipedia, can you explain what Gibb's Free Energy
is?
Jeff…Relf
Without referencing Wikipedia,
can you explain what Gibb's Free Energy is ?
Strike a match and you'll witness the consumption of Gibbs_Free_Energy
as the heat rises and the match dissipates...
just like our _Observable_ cosmos has always, will always, do.
The five spatial dimensions are, in order of a priori knowability:
Time, Space and Gibbs_Free_Energy.
That's life... and it's purely virtual, not real because
the nothing is truly random... the cosmos " just is ".
Gibb's Free Energy is Enthalpy ( the net energy of a closed system, in joules )
minus " Temperature * Entropy " ( again, in joules ).
Eric Gisse
Jeff...Relf wrote:
> Hi Eric_Gisse, You asked me:
>
> Without referencing Wikipedia,
> can you explain what Gibb's Free Energy is ?
>
> Strike a match and you'll witness the consumption of Gibbs_Free_Energy
> as the heat rises and the match dissipates...
> just like our _Observable_ cosmos has always, will always, do.
Oh look, you completely failed to explain what Gibbs Free Energy is.
There is a precise definition from thermodynamics, of which you are
completely ignorant.
>
> The five spatial dimensions are, in order of a priori knowability:
>
> Time, Space and Gibbs_Free_Energy.
Why Gibbs Free Energy? Why not Helmholtz Free Energy?
>
> That's life... and it's purely virtual, not real because
> the nothing is truly random... the cosmos " just is ".
>
> Gibb's Free Energy is Enthalpy ( the net energy of a closed system, in joules )
> minus " Temperature * Entropy " ( again, in joules ).
No, it fucking isn't.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/helmholtz.html#c2
Phineas T Puddleduck
JeffŠRelf <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote:
We have a new dimension - thanks to Relf's Insane Physics.
T Wake
"Jeff.Relf" <Jeff...@Yahoo.COM> wrote in message
news:Jeff_Relf_20...@Cotse.NET...
>
> Without referencing Wikipedia,
> can you explain what Gibb's Free Energy is ?
>
> Strike a match and you'll witness the consumption of Gibbs_Free_Energy
> as the heat rises and the match dissipates...
> just like our _Observable_ cosmos has always, will always, do.
No, Eric asked you to explain what Gibb's Free Energy is. All you have done
here is posit meaningless nonsense.
> The five spatial dimensions are, in order of a priori knowability:
>
> Time, Space and Gibbs_Free_Energy.
Incorrect. Do you know what "spatial" means?
Please, explain to me the gravitational force if there are any number of
spatial dimensions _other_ than three.
I am still waiting.
> That's life... and it's purely virtual, not real because
> the nothing is truly random... the cosmos " just is ".
More pointless words.
> Gibb's Free Energy is Enthalpy ( the net energy of a closed system, in
> joules )
> minus " Temperature * Entropy " ( again, in joules ).
Incorrect again.