United States as an Exporter of Freedom
Richard Alexander
the new form of government he was helping establish would be like a
"city upon a hill" that other people in the world might desire to
emulate. The US Founding Fathers also saw it as the role of government
to spread our form of government throughout the world. Several of the
leaders of the US since then have also expressed this idea.
I am collecting specific examples of the idea of the United States as
an exporter of freedom. If you know of any, please post them to this
message.
Thank you.
Joey
freedom.
***
After a US conflict, the only land the US asks for is to bury our dead.
Captain Compassion
wrote:
Germany and Japan come to mind. Maybe Russia and hopefully Cuba in the
not distant future.
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"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
"...observe that in all the propaganda of the ecologists amidst all
their appeals to nature and pleas for 'harmony with nature' there is
no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival.
Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot
survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision
i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears..." - AYN RAND
"The Anti-Industrial Revolution," The New Left, 136.
"In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us,
'Make us your slaves, but feed us.'" -- Dosteovsky
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WIlliam G. Moore
=> Long before the founding of the United States, John Winthrop said of
=> the new form of government he was helping establish would be like a
=> "city upon a hill" that other people in the world might desire to
=> emulate. The US Founding Fathers also saw it as the role of government
=> to spread our form of government throughout the world. Several of the
=> leaders of the US since then have also expressed this idea.
=>
=> I am collecting specific examples of the idea of the United States as
=> an exporter of freedom. If you know of any, please post them to this
=> message.
=>
=> Thank you.
The United States is the world's oldest democracy and has created, protected
or defended most all those that followed, often with blood. Americans recognize that
freedom is the natural state of human beings by virtue of their birth. Each is, as
Jefferson said, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
The philosophy that human rights exist by virtue of human birth, not granted by some
government, was uniquely American when the United States was founded in 1789 and has
spread widely since by virtue of American support. Besides the direct examples of US
military intervention leading to democracy (Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.) don't
overlook those that exist today by virtue of American protection.
Many northern European democracies might seem to have emerged on their own, proclaiming
their natural peaceful, relatively war-free nature, but there's no doubt they'd all be
speaking German or Russian now if "big brother" US wasn't glaring over their shoulders.
The Monroe Doctrine seeded freedom in this hemisphere and American influence and pressure
extended it to Africa.
-- Bill
Richard Alexander
How does this tie in with the Monroe Doctrine of 1823?
Todd Tamanend Clark
> Just about every military mission that the US has undertaken
> was for freedom.
You misspelled genocide.
> After a US conflict, the only land the US asks for is to bury
> our dead.
Five hundred displaced indigenous nations beg to differ.
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- - Winona LaDuke
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> The United States is the world's oldest democracy...
No, that would be the Haudenosaunee.
> ...and has created, protected, or defended most all those that
> followed, often with blood.
How about those that preceded?
> Americans recognize that freedom is the natural state of human
> beings by virtue of their birth.
Then why is there still the corrupt and oppressive Bureau of
Indian Affairs dominated reservation system?
> Each is, as Jefferson said...
Thomas Jefferson was a racist who owned slaves and swindled
Native Americans out of the Louisiana Purchase.
> ...endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
Apparently not when their concept of a higher spiritual power
differs greatly from the Judeo-christian version, or else so
many laws would not have been passed outlawing native religious
practices and kidnapping native children for compulsory
Eurocentric acculturation.
> The philosophy that human rights exist by virtue of human birth,
> not granted by some government, was uniquely American when the
> United States was founded in 1789...
You mean uniquely Native American since 1142.
> ...and has spread widely since by virtue of American support.
The dominant culture's idea of democracy is extremely restrictive
compared to the much more liberated autochthonal democracy.
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"I am indescribably thankful that our cultures turned out to be so
different, no matter how much abuse and sacrifice it has entailed.
I am proud to stand inside the heritage of native struggle. I am
proud to say that I am an unreconstructable indigenist. For me,
there is no other reasonable or realistic way to look at the world.
And I invite anyone who shares that viewpoint to come aboard,
regardless of your race, creed, or national origin."
- - Ward Churchill
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> The United States of America was the first democracy since
> ancient times.
The confederated league of the Haudenosaunee nations has existed
for 861 years and is still here now, with its own constitution
and its own passports.
> In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
> of the earth.
Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
and Tuscarora.
> I think the ideas of the Founding Fathers have been exported
> to willing importers throughout the world.
Yes, the contributions of Deganawidah and Hayenwatha to the
freedoms of the world are great, but don't forget to also
acknowledge the egalitarian role of the founding mothers as well:
the original nine clan mothers of the bear, beaver, deer, eel,
hawk, heron, snipe, turtle, and wolf clans.
> Their genius is overwhelming, the nation they created is viable,
> strong, and the envy of the world.
Thanks, I knew you'd come around to some truth eventually.
JQ Public
> Just about every military mission that the US has undertaken was for
> freedom.
>
Your absolutely right. Freedom of capital that is. And the
liberation of the indigenous from their miserable existance --- by
killing them
AB
Clark) wrote:
>> Lamarr Edwards erroneously pontificated:
>>
>> The United States of America was the first democracy since
>> ancient times.
>
>The confederated league of the Haudenosaunee nations has existed
>for 861 years and is still here now, with its own constitution
>and its own passports.
>
>> In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
>> of the earth.
>
>Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
>and Tuscarora.
>
Not to be a jerk...but didn't we conquer all them?
Mike Russell
...
> I am collecting specific examples of the idea of the United States as
> an exporter of freedom. If you know of any, please post them to this
> message.
Liberia.
--
Mike Russell
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net
AB
wrote:
>Richard Alexander wrote:
>...
>> I am collecting specific examples of the idea of the United States as
>> an exporter of freedom. If you know of any, please post them to this
>> message.
>
>Liberia.
Japan, Germany.
Todd Tamanend Clark
>>> In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
>>> of the earth.
>>
>> Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
>> and Tuscarora.
>
Even though their original land base has been greatly reduced by
colonization, all of the above still exist today as sovereign
treaty nations within a nation.
Richard Alexander
> > Lamarr Edwards erroneously pontificated:
> >
> > The United States of America was the first democracy since
> > ancient times.
>
> The confederated league of the Haudenosaunee nations has existed
> for 861 years and is still here now, with its own constitution
> and its own passports.
The Icelandic Althingi is about 1000 years old and is still with us,
today.
"Using a combination of documentary sources, solar eclipse data, and
Iroquois oral history, Mann and Fields assert that the Iroquois
Confederacy's body of law was adopted by the Senecas (the last of the
five nations to ratify it) August 31, 1142. The ratification council
convened at a site that is now a football field in Victor, New York.
The site is called Gonandaga by the Seneca.
"Mann and Fields are the first scholars to combine documentary history
with oral accounts and precise solar data in an attempt to date the
origin of the Iroquois League. Depending on how democracy is defined,
their date of 1142 A.D. would rank the Iroquois Confederacy with the
government of Iceland and the Swiss cantons as the oldest continuously
functioning democracy on earth. All three precedents have been cited
as forerunners of the United States system of representative
democracy. The Haudenosaunee Confederacy functions today in Upstate
New York; it even issues passports."
"Dating the Iroquois Confederacy"
http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/DatingIC.html
> > In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
> > of the earth.
>
> Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
> and Tuscarora.
The Tuscarora joined in 1714.
[snip]
WIlliam G. Moore
=> WIlliam G. Moore <willia...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:<t55m9v8ls2ngh3sia...@4ax.com>...
=> > On 14 Apr 2003 11:38:21 -0700, po...@aol.com (Richard Alexander) wrote:
=> >
=> > => Long before the founding of the United States, John Winthrop said of
=> > => the new form of government he was helping establish would be like a
=> > => "city upon a hill" that other people in the world might desire to
=> > => emulate. The US Founding Fathers also saw it as the role of government
=> > => to spread our form of government throughout the world. Several of the
=> > => leaders of the US since then have also expressed this idea.
=> > =>
=> > => I am collecting specific examples of the idea of the United States as
=> > => an exporter of freedom. If you know of any, please post them to this
=> > => message.
=> > =>
=> > => Thank you.
=> >
=> > The United States is the world's oldest democracy and has created, protected
=> > or defended most all those that followed, often with blood. Americans recognize that
=> > freedom is the natural state of human beings by virtue of their birth. Each is, as
=> > Jefferson said, endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.
=> >
=> > The philosophy that human rights exist by virtue of human birth, not granted by some
=> > government, was uniquely American when the United States was founded in 1789 and has
=> > spread widely since by virtue of American support. Besides the direct examples of US
=> > military intervention leading to democracy (Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.) don't
=> > overlook those that exist today by virtue of American protection.
=> >
=> > Many northern European democracies might seem to have emerged on their own,
proclaiming
=> > their natural peaceful, relatively war-free nature, but there's no doubt they'd all
be
=> > speaking German or Russian now if "big brother" US wasn't glaring over their
shoulders.
=> > The Monroe Doctrine seeded freedom in this hemisphere and American influence and
pressure
=> > extended it to Africa.
=>
=> How does this tie in with the Monroe Doctrine of 1823?
It seeded freedom in this hemisphere by declaring the Americas off limits to imperialist
powers, especially to Russia and England.
-- Bill
WIlliam G. Moore
=> On 14 Apr 2003 21:35:33 -0700, tama...@hotmail.com (Todd Tamanend
=> Clark) wrote:
=>
=> >> Lamarr Edwards erroneously pontificated:
=> >>
=> >> The United States of America was the first democracy since
=> >> ancient times.
=> >
=> >The confederated league of the Haudenosaunee nations has existed
=> >for 861 years and is still here now, with its own constitution
=> >and its own passports.
=> >
Pretty amazing when you consider they couldn't read or write before we taught them.
No Indians had written language or map making skills until Spanish missionaries began
teaching them. And then the teaching was in Spanish.
'
=> >> In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
=> >> of the earth.
=> >
True and the United States became the only democratic nation on the planet when it was
founded in 1789.
=> >Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
=> >and Tuscarora.
=> >
=>
=> Not to be a jerk...but didn't we conquer all them?
=>
=> >> I think the ideas of the Founding Fathers have been exported
=> >> to willing importers throughout the world.
=> >
=> >Yes, the contributions of Deganawidah and Hayenwatha to the
=> >freedoms of the world are great, but don't forget to also
=> >acknowledge the egalitarian role of the founding mothers as well:
=> >the original nine clan mothers of the bear, beaver, deer, eel,
=> >hawk, heron, snipe, turtle, and wolf clans.
=> >
Holy Whizzle, Batman, it's the founding mother of the turtle!
=> >> Their genius is overwhelming, the nation they created is viable,
=> >> strong, and the envy of the world.
=> >
Where can I read the Indian equivalent of the Federalist Papers?
=> >Thanks, I knew you'd come around to some truth eventually.
=> >
=> >- - - -
=> >TODD TAMANEND CLARK
=> >Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
=> >Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
=> >The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
=> >
=> >- - - -
=> >Now Available:
=> >Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
=> >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
=> >Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
=> >http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
=> >
=> >- - - -
=> >"I am indescribably thankful that our cultures turned out to be so
=> >different, no matter how much abuse and sacrifice it has entailed.
=> >I am proud to stand inside the heritage of native struggle. I am
=> >proud to say that I am an unreconstructable indigenist. For me,
=> >there is no other reasonable or realistic way to look at the world.
=> >And I invite anyone who shares that viewpoint to come aboard,
=> >regardless of your race, creed, or national origin."
=> > - - Ward Churchill
-- Bill
Todd Tamanend Clark
> "Using a combination of documentary sources, solar eclipse data,
> and Iroquois oral history, Mann and Fields assert that the
> Iroquois Confederacy's body of law was adopted by the Senecas
> (the last of the five nations to ratify it) August 31, 1142.
> The ratification council convened at a site that is now a
> football field in Victor, New York. The site is called Gonandaga
> by the Seneca.
>
> "Mann and Fields are the first scholars to combine documentary
> history with oral accounts and precise solar data in an attempt
> to date the origin of the Iroquois League. Depending on how
> democracy is defined, their date of 1142 A.D. would rank the
> Iroquois Confederacy with the government of Iceland and the
> Swiss cantons as the oldest continuously functioning democracy
> on earth. All three precedents have been cited as forerunners of
> the United States system of representative democracy. The
> Haudenosaunee Confederacy functions today in Upstate New York;
> it even issues passports."
>
> "Dating the Iroquois Confederacy"
> http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/DatingIC.html
>
> > > In 1776 not one other democratic nation existed on the face
> > > of the earth.
> >
> > Not one, but six: Onodowaga, Cayuga, Oneida, Onondaga, Mohawk,
> > and Tuscarora.
>
> The Tuscarora joined in 1714.
Correct. Which is still prior to 1776.
An additional point of clarification in regards to the terminology:
Onodowaga is the word for the Seneca Nation in our own language,
and Haudenosaunee is the word for Iroquois. My other relatives use
Lenape as the true name of their nation in place of the English
misnomer Delaware.
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> Kennewick man is older than any known N/A remains, and appears
> to be much more European than N/A, so your people stole the
> land from my European ancestors who were here first.
The Kennewick Man skeleton is neither of European origin nor
the oldest archaeological evidence of humans in the Western
Hemisphere. These are simply recent popular disinformation memes
that circulate like some contemporary urban legend.
Todd Tamanend Clark
> Pretty amazing when you consider they couldn't read or write
> before we taught them.
That only applies to a written alphabet system. There are
various other means of linguistic and conceptual communication.
> No Indians had written language or map making skills until
> Spanish missionaries began teaching them.
Hieroglyphics, petroglyphs, pictograms, sign language, sculpture,
weaving, beadwork, painting, music, poetry, drama, and oratory
were already highly developed prior to contact with European
invasionary imperialism.
And if there were no maps, how did the Incas build thousands of
miles of roadways? How did the Mound Builders, Mexica, and
Haudenosaunee maintain huge trade networks? How did the Maya
create their detailed star charts in their observatories from
which came a calendar more accurate that the one in use in Europe?
> And then the teaching was in Spanish.
Unfortunately.
Too bad the Spanish burnt down the Mesoamerican libraries. Maybe
the teaching could have gone the other way around linguistically,
as it most certainly did agriculturally and medicinally. Without
exploiting indigenous food and medicine, the Europeans would
never have survived in this hemisphere.
> Where can I read the Indian equivalent of the Federalist Papers?
You obviously need an entire academic course in Native Studies.
Try reading these two hundred plus books carefully culled from my
personal library of thousands:
A Basic Call To Consciousness
(Akwesasne Notes, 1977)
A Coyote Reader
(William Bright, 1993)
A Cry From The Earth: Music Of The North American Indians
(John Bierhorst, 1979)
A Little Matter Of Genocide: Holocaust And Denial In The Americas
1492 To The Present
(Ward Churchill, 1997)
A Native American Encyclopedia: History, Culture, And People
(Barry Pritzker, 2000)
A Sorrow In Our Heart: The Life Of Tecumseh
(Allan Eckert, 1992)
A To Z Of Native American Women
(Liz Sonneborn, 1998)
After Columbus: The Smithsonian Chronicle Of The North American
Indians
(Herman Viola, 1990)
Algonquians Of The East Coast
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
All Our Relations: Native Struggles For Land And Life
(Winona LaDuke, 1999)
Almanac Of The Dead
(Leslie Marmon Silko, 1991)
American Genesis: The American Indian And The Origins Of Modern
Man
(Jeffrey Goodman, 1981)
American Holocaust: Columbus And The Conquest Of The New World
(David Stannard, 1992)
American Indian Activism: Alcatraz To The Longest Walk
(Troy Johnson, 1997)
American Indian Ethnic Renewal: Red Power And The Resurgence Of
Identity And Culture
(Joane Nagel, 1997)
American Indian Lacrosse: Little Brother Of War
(Thomas Vennum, 1994)
American Indian Quotations
(Howard Langer, 1996)
American Indian Trickster Tales
(Richard Erdoes & Alfonso Ortiz, 1998)
An Illustrated Dictionary Of The Gods And Symbols Of Ancient
Mexico And The Maya
(Mary Miller & Karl Taube, 1997)
Anthropology Of Love And Anger: The Aesthetics Of Conviviality In
Native Amazonia
(Joanna Overing & Others, 2001)
Atlas Of Ancient America
(Michael Coe & Others, 1988)
Atlas Of The North American Indian
(Carl Waldman, 1985)
Aztec
(Gary Jennings, 1980)
Aztec Thought And Culture: A Study Of The Ancient Nahuatl Mind
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1963)
Aztecs: Reign Of Blood And Splendor
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
Beyond Death: The Chinchorro Mummies Of Ancient Chile
(Bernardo Arriaza, 1995)
Blue Jacket: Warrior Of The Shawnees
(John Sugden, 2000)
Breaking The Maya Code
(Michael Coe, 1992)
Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee: An Indian History Of The American
West
(Dee Brown, 1970)
Cantares Mexicanos: Songs Of The Aztecs
(John Bierhorst, 1985)
Chronicle Of The Maya Kings And Queens
(Simon Martin & Nikolai Grube, 2000)
Chroniclers Of Indian Life
(Time-Life Books, 1996)
Chronology Of American Indian History: The Trail Of The Wind
(Liz Sonneborn, 2001)
Cycles Of Life
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Crazy Horse: The Strange Man Of The Oglalas
[Fiftieth Anniversary Edition]
(Mari Sandoz, 1992)
Dictionary Of Native American Mythology
(Sam Gill & Irene Sullivan, 1992)
Encyclopedia Of American Indian Civil Rights
(James Stuart Olson & Others, 1997)
Encyclopedia Of American Indian Contributions To The World:
Fifteen Thousand Years Of Inventions And Innovations
(Emory Dean Keoke & Kay Marie Porterfield, 2001)
Encyclopedia Of Ancient Mesoamerica
(Margaret Bunson & Stephen Bunson, 1996)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Healing
(William Lyon, 1997)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Shamanism: Sacred Ceremonies Of
North America
(William Lyon, 1998)
Encyclopedia Of Native American Tribes [Revised Edition]
(Carl Waldman, 1999)
Encyclopedia Of North American Indians
(Frederick Hoxie & Others, 1996)
Encyclopedia Of The Haudenosaunee
(Bruce Johansen & Barbara Mann, 2000)
Exiled In The Land Of The Free: Democracy, Indian Nations, And
The United States Constitution (Oren Lyons & Others, 1992)
Exploring Mesoamerica
(John Pohl, 1999)
Exploring Native North America
(David Hurst Thomas, 2000)
Faces In The Forest: First Nations Art Carved On Living Trees
(Michael Blackstock, 2001)
Facing West: The Metaphysics Of Indian-Hating And Empire-Building
(Richard Drinnon, 1990)
Fifteen Poets Of The Aztec World
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1992)
First Fire: Central And South American Indian Poetry
(Hugh Fox, 1978)
Five Hundred Nations: An Illustrated History Of North American
Indians
(Alvin Josephy, 1994)
Flute Of The Smoking Mirror: A Portrait Of Nezahualcoyotl,
Poet-King Of The Aztecs
(Frances Gillmor, 1983)
From A Native Son: Selected Essays On Indigenism
(Ward Churchill, 1996)
Gender And Power In Prehispanic Mesoamerica
(Rosemary Joyce, 2001)
Ghost Dancing The Law: The Wounded Knee Trials
(John Sayer, 1997)
Gods Of Sun And Sacrifice: Aztec And Maya Myth
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Four: History Of
Indian-White Relations
(Smithsonian Instution, 1988)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Five: Arctic
(Smithsonian Institution, 1984)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Six: Subarctic
(Smithsonian Institution, 1981)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Seven: Northwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1990)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Eight: California
(Smithsonian Institution, 1978)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Nine: Southwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1979)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Ten: Southwest
(Smithsonian Institution, 1983)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Eleven: Great Basin
(Smithsonian Institution, 1986)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Twelve: Plateau
(Smithsonian Institution, 1998)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Thirteen: Plains
(Smithsonian Institution, 2001)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Fifteen: Northeast
(Smithsonian Institution, 1978)
Handbook Of North American Indians: Volume Seventeen: Languages
(Smithsonian Institution, 1996)
Harper's Anthology Of Twentieth Century Native American Poetry
(Duane Niatum & Others, 1988)
Hidden Cities: The Discovery And Loss Of Ancient North American
Civilization
(Roger Kennedy, 1994)
Hopi Katchina Dolls And Their Carvers
(Theda Bassman & Gene Balzer, 1991)
House Made Of Dawn
(N. Scott Momaday, 1968)
Hunters Of The Northern Forest
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
In The Spirit Of Crazy Horse
(Peter Matthiessen, 1983)
Incas: Lords Of Gold And Glory (Time-Life Books, 1992)
Indian Givers: How The Indians Of The Americas Transformed The
World
(Jack Weatherford, 1988)
Indians In Pennsylvania
(Paul Wallace, 1961)
Indians Of The Western Range
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
Indigenism: Ethnic Politics In Brazil
(Alcida Ramos, 1998)
Indigenous Aesthetics: Native Art Media And Identity
(Steven Leuthold, 1998)
Indigenous South Americans Of The Past And Present: An
Ecological Perspective
(David Wilson, 1998)
Indigenous Struggle At The Heart Of Brazil: State Policy,
Frontier Expansion, And The Xavante Indians, 1937-1988
(Seth Garfield, 2001)
Iroquois Music And Dance: Ceremonial Arts Of Two Seneca Longhouses
(Gertrude Kurath, 1964)
Keepers Of The Totem
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
Lakota Woman [Second Edition]
(Mary Crow Dog, 1994)
Learning To Be An Anthropologist And Remaining Native
(Beatrice Medicine & Others, 2001)
Like A Hurricane: The Indian Movement From Alcatraz To Wounded Knee
(Paul Chaat Smith & Robert Allen Warrior, 1996)
Llamas, Weavings, And Organic Chocolate: Multicultural Grassroots
Development In The Andes And Amazon Of Bolivia
(Kevin Healy, 2001)
Lost Kingdoms Of The Maya
(Gene Stuart & George Stuart, 1993)
Loud Hawk: The United States Versus The American Indian Movement
(Kenneth Stern, 1994)
Mankiller: A Chief And Her People [Trade Paperback Edition]
(Wilma Mankiller & Michael Wallis, 1999)
Manual For The Peacemaker: An Iroquois Legend To Heal Self And
Society
(Jean Houston, 1995)
Mexico: From The Olmecs To The Aztecs [Fourth Edition]
(Michael Coe, 1994)
Mother Earth, Father Sky: Native American Myth
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
Mound Builders And Cliff Dwellers
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
Mound Builders Of Ancient America: The Archaeology Of A Myth
(Robert Silverberg, 1968)
Mysteries Of The Hopewell: Astronomers, Geometers, And Magicians
Of The Eastern Woodlands
(William Romain, 2000)
National Museum Of Anthropology: Mexico City
(Newsweek, 1970)
Native America In The Twentieth Century: An Encyclopedia
(Mary Davis, 1994)
Native American Art
(William Ketchum, 1997)
Native American Art In The Twentieth Century
(W. Jack Rushing, 1999)
Native American History: A Chronology Of A Culture's Vast
Achievements And Their Links To World Events
(Judith Nies, 1996)
Native American Identities: From Stereotype To Archetype In Art
And Literature
(Scott Vickers, 1998)
Native American Literatures: An Encyclopedia Of Works, Characters,
Authors, And Themes
(Kathy Whitson, 1999)
Native American Postcolonial Psychology
(Eduardo Duran & Bonnie Duran, 1995)
Native American Religion
(Nancy Bonvillian, 1996)
Native American Women: A Biographical Dictionary [Second Edition]
(Gretchen Batielle & Laurie Lisa, 2001)
Native Mesoamerican Spirituality
(Miguel Leon-Portilla & Others, 1980)
Native Religions And Cultures Of North America: Anthropology Of
The Sacred
(Lawrence Sullivan & Others, 2000)
Native Roots: How The Indians Enriched America
(Jack Weatherford, 1991)
Native Time: A Historical Time Line Of Native America
(Lee Francis, 1996)
Natives And Academics: Researching And Writing About American
Indians
(Devon Mihesuah & Others, 1998)
North American Indian Jewelry And Adornment
(Lois Sherr Dubin & Others, 1999)
Our Word Is Our Weapon
(Subcomandante Marcos, 2001)
Painting The Maya Universe: Royal Ceramics Of The Classic Period
(Dorie Reents-Budet & Others, 1994)
Parker On The Iroquois
(Arthur Caswell Parker, 1968)
Peace, Power, Righteousness: An Indigenous Manifesto
(Taiaiake Alfred, 1999)
People Of The Dancing Sky: The Iroquois Way
(Myron Zabol & Others, 2000)
People Of The Desert
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
People Of The Ice And Snow
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
People Of The Lakes
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
People Of The Peyote: Huichol Indian History, Religion, And
Survival
(Stacy Schaefer & Peter Furst, 1996)
Popul Vuh: The Definitive Edition Of The Mayan Book Of The Dawn
Of Life And The Glories Of Gods And Kings
(Dennis Tedlock, 2001)
Prison Writings: My Life Is My Sundance
(Leonard Peltier, 1999)
Profiles In Wisdom: Native Elders Speak About The Earth
(Steven McFadden, 2000)
Racial Revolutions: Antiracism And Indian Resurgence In Brazil
(Jonathan Wartren, 2001)
Realm Of The Iroquois
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
Red Power: The American Indians' Fight For Freedom [Second Edition]
(Alvin Josephy & Others, 1999)
Reinventing The Enemy's Language: Contemporary Native Women's
Writings Of North America
(Joy Harjo & Others, 1997)
Reservation X
(Gerald McMaster, 1999)
Sacred Geography Of The American Mound Builders
(Maureen Korp, 1990)
Seneca Myths And Folk Tales
(Arthur Caswell Parker, 1923)
Shaking The Pumpkin: Traditional Poetry Of The Indian North
Americas
(Jerome Rothenberg & Others, 1986)
Shaking The Rattle: Healing The Trauma Of Colonization
(Barbara-Helen Hill, 1996)
Shawnee: The Ceremonialism Of A Native American Tribe And Its
Cultural Background
(James Howard, 1981)
Sisters In Spirit: Iroquois Influences On Early Feminists
(Sally Roesch Wagner, 2001)
Skywatchers: A Revised And Updated Version Of Skywatchers Of
Ancient Mexico
(Anthony Aveni, 2001)
Skywoman: Legends Of The Iroquois
(Joanne Shenandoah & Others, 1998)
Spider Woman's Grandaughters: Traditional Tales And Contemporary
Writing By Native American Women
(Paula Gunn Allen & Others, 1989)
Spirit And Reason: The Vine Deloria, Junior, Reader
(Vine Deloria, Junior, 1999)
Spirit Of The Earth: Native Cooking From Latin America
(Beverly Cox & Martin Jacobs, 2001)
Spirit Of The Harvest: North American Indian Cooking
(Beverly Cox & Martin Jacobs, 1991)
Spirit Wars: Native North American Religions In The Age Of
Nation Building
(Ronald Niezen & Others, 2000)
Spiritual Leaders
(Paul Robert Walker, 1994)
Star Gods Of The Maya: Astronomy In Art, Folklore, And Calendars
(Susan Milbrath, 1999)
Stars Of The First People: Native American Star Myths And
Constellations
(Dorcas Miller, 1997)
Stolen Continents: The Americas Through Indian Eyes Since 1492
(Ronald Wright, 1992)
Tales Of The Plumed Serpent: Aztec, Inca, And Mayan Myths
(Diana Ferguson, 2000)
Tecumseh: A Life
(John Sugen, 1997)
Teotihuacan: An Experiment In Living
(Esther Pasztory, 1997)
That Dark And Bloody River: Chronicles Of The Ohio River Valley
(Allan Eckert, 1995)
The Art Of The Native American Flute
(R. Carlos Nakai & James Demars, 1996)
The Aztecs
(Michael Smith, 1996)
The Biographical Directory Of Native American Painters
(Patrick Lester, 1995)
The Blood Of Kings: Dynasty And Ritual In Mayan Art
(Linda Schele & Others, 1992)
The Buffalo Hunters
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Cities Of The Ancient Andes
(Adriana Von Hagen & Craig Morris, 1998)
The Code Of Kings: The Language Of Seven Sacred Maya Temples
And Tombs
(Linda Schele & Others, 1998)
The Columbian Exchange: Biological And Cultural Consequences
Of 1492
(Alfred Crosby, 1973)
The Cosmos Of The Yucatec Maya: Cycles And Steps From The
Madrid Codex
(Merideth Paxton, 2001)
The Cultures Of Native North Americans
(Christian Feest & Others, 2000)
The Death And Rebirth Of The Seneca
(Anthony Wallace, 1969)
The Delaware Indians: A History
(C. A. Weslager, 1972)
The Encyclopedia Of Native American Biography: Six Hundred
Stories Of Important People, From Powhatan To Wilma Mankiller
(Bruce Johansen & Donald Grinde, 1998)
The Encyclopedia Of Native American Religions
(Arlene Hirschfelder & Paulette Molin, 1992)
The European Challenge
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The False Faces Of The Iroquois
(William Fenton, 1991)
The First Americans
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The Grandfathers Speak: Native American Folk Tales Of The Lenape
People
(Hitakonanu'Laxk, 1994)
The Heart As A Drum: Continuance And Resistance In American
Indian Poetry
(Robin Riley Fast, 1999)
The Indians Of California
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
The Iroquois
(Barbara Graymont, 1988)
The Iroquois
(Dean Snow, 1994)
The Lenape
(Robert Grumet, 1989)
The Lords Of Tikal: Rulers Of An Ancient Mayan City
(Peter Harrison, 1999)
The Magnificent Maya
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Maya [Fifth Edition]
(Michael Coe, 1993)
The Mighty Chieftains
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Native American Almanac: A Portrait Of Native America Today
(Arlene Hirschfelder & Martha Kreipe De Montano, 1993)
The Native Americans: An Illustrated History
(David Hurst Thomas & Others, 1993)
The Native North American Almanac
(Duane Champagne & Others, 1994)
The Natural History Of The Soul In Ancient Mexico
(Jill McKeever-Furst, 1995)
The Olmec World: Ritual And Rulership
(Michael Coe, 1996)
The Ordeal Of The Longhouse: The Peoples Of The Iroquois League
In The Era Of European Colonization
(Daniel Richter, 1992)
The Patriot Chiefs: A Chronicle Of American Indian Resistance
[Revised Edition]
(Alvin Josephy, 1994)
The Reservations
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
The Rights Of Indians And Tribes: The Basic ACLU Guide To Indian
Tribal Rights [Second Edition]
(Stephen Pevar, 1992)
The Sacred Hoop: Recovering The Feminine In American Indian
Traditions
(Paula Gunn Allen, 1986)
The Secret Of The Incas: Myth, Astronomy, And The War Against Time
(William Sullivan, 1996)
The Shawnee Prophet
(R. David Edmunds, 1983)
The Spirit World
(Time-Life Books, 1992)
The State Of Native America: Genocide, Colonization, And Resistance
(M. Annette Jaimes & Others, 1992)
The Telling Of The World: Native American Stories And Art
(W. S. Penn & Others, 1996)
The Trickster Shift: Humor And Irony In Contemporary Native Art
(Allan Ryan, 1999)
The Way Of The Spirit: Nature, Myth, And Magic In Native American
Life
(Time-Life Books, 1997)
The Way Of The Warrior
(Time-Life Books, 1993)
The Woman's Way
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
The World Of The American Indian [Revised Edition]
(National Geographic Society, 1993)
The World Of Tupac Amaru: Conflict, Community, And Identity In
Colonial Peru
(Ward Stavig, 1999)
Through Indian Eyes: The Untold Story Of Native American Peoples
(Reader's Digest, 1995)
Time And Reality In The Thought Of The Maya [Enlarged Edition]
(Miguel Leon-Portilla, 1988)
Timelines Of Native American History
(Carl Waldman, 1994)
Trail Of Tears: The Rise And Fall Of The Cherokee Nation
(John Ehle, 1988)
Tribes Of The Southern Plains
(Time-Life Books, 1995)
Tribes Of The Southern Woodlands
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Visions Of Sound: Musical Instruments Of First Nations Communities
In Northeastern America
(Beverly Diamond & Others, 1994)
Voices Of The Winds: Native American Legends
(Margot Edmonds & Ella Clark, 1989)
War For The Plains
(Time-Life Books, 1994)
Where The Gods Reign: Plants And Peoples Of The Columbian Amazon
(Richard Schultes, 1990)
Where White Men Fear To Tread: The Autobiography Of Russell Means
(Russell Means & Martin Wolf, 1995)
Who Was Who In Native American History: Indians And Non-Indians
From Early Contact Through 1900
(Carl Waldman, 1990)
Wilderness: The True Story Of Simon Girty
(Timothy Truman, 1990)
Winds Of Renewal
(Time-Life Books, 1996)
Word Dance: The Language Of Native American Culture
(Carl Waldman, 1994)
Year 501: The Conquest Continues
(Noam Chomsky, 1993)
After you're well on your way through this bibliography, I can
also recommend an equally lengthy filmography and discography.
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
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"I am indescribably thankful that our cultures turned out to be so
different, no matter how much abuse and sacrifice it has entailed.
I am proud to stand inside the heritage of native struggle. I am
proud to say that I am an unreconstructable indigenist. For me,
there is no other reasonable or realistic way to look at the world.
And I invite anyone who shares that viewpoint to come aboard,
regardless of your race, creed, or national origin."
- - Ward Churchill
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> Tribes of a few hundred, with no written language, or
> constitution do not a nation make.
>
> Rule by committee is not democracy.
Where do you continually come up with this blatantly bigoted
disinformation?
Don't tell me, the racist public governmental school system
combined with the media conspiracy of silence regarding native
issues? (History is usually controlled by the conquerors, and
it is in their vested interest to downplay the statistics of
their atrocities.)
Look, at the time of first interhemisphere contact in 1492,
there were approximately twenty million indigenous inhabitants
north of the Rio Grande and approximately eighty million south
of it. There were complex cities in the Americas at a time
when London and Paris were just a couple of mud streets.
Did you ever think of honoring your great grandmother's memory
instead of trashing it?
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"I'd rather die fighting on my feet than live the rest of my
life on my knees." - - Emiliano Zapata
Mike Russell
>> There Lamarr Edwards went again:
>>
>> Tribes of a few hundred, with no written language, or
>> constitution do not a nation make.
>>
>> Rule by committee is not democracy.
>
> Where do you continually come up with this blatantly bigoted
> disinformation?
There's nothing biggoted about it, IMHO. I would freely admit that some
Indian tribes had elements of democracy - every society does - but I
hesitate to apply that term to any primitive society for a variety of
reasons, not the least of which is illiteracy. Otherwise any two people who
discuss something and come to an agreement would create a democracy - this
is silly.
> Don't tell me, the racist public governmental school system
> combined with the media conspiracy of silence regarding native
> issues? (History is usually controlled by the conquerors, and
> it is in their vested interest to downplay the statistics of
> their atrocities.)
If you want to promote the virtues of Indiginous culture, be my guest by all
means, but that old liberal guilt thing is wearing very thin, and frankly
I'm getting sick of hearing it.
> Look, at the time of first interhemisphere contact in 1492,
> there were approximately twenty million indigenous inhabitants
> north of the Rio Grande and approximately eighty million south
> of it. There were complex cities in the Americas at a time
> when London and Paris were just a couple of mud streets.
Twenty million sounds way overblown to me. Do you have any basis for it?
> Did you ever think of honoring your great grandmother's memory
> instead of trashing it?
A little nitpicking over the definition of a democracy, and a society, does
not imply any disrespect for one's great grandmother.
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> Really, the anthropologist and anatomist that examined the
> skeleton, using all of the scientifically accepted critera
> for determining racial characteristics was spouting an urban
> myth when he said the skeleton had many more characteristics
> consistent with Europeans than with Native Americans?
No, HE was not "spouting an urban myth", HE was perpetrating a
hoax on the level of Piltdown Man in order to further his own
corrupt career. It's other people who have noncritically accepted
his spurious conclusions who have spread the myth.
> Wow, perhaps you should tell him about this, because he is
> writing this myth in journals and repeating it as fact, I have
> read what he says.
He has already been told, but he continues with his agenda anyhow.
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"The methodologies of the social sciences separate people from
the human spirit." - - Gerald Vizenor
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> Unfortunately, many in the Native American community choose,
> for whatever reason, to believe just as absurd things.
We think a lot of what the dominant culture believes is absurd.
> Please tell me, how do you KNOW that Kennewick Man was not of
> European origin?
This old chestnut has been debated ad nauseum over on alt.native
for years. Just go over there and do a Google search, and you
will find more than you will ever care to read on the subject.
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"We have a completely different value system than that of the
larger society. We've had to go underground in order to maintain
our traditional religion, our traditional philosophy."
- - Dennis Banks
Todd Tamanend Clark
>
> There's nothing bigoted about it, IMHO.
It's an insult to portray culturally sophisticated sovereign
nations as primitive tribes. Even the United States constitution
states that treaties are the supreme law of the land and that
treaties are made nation to nation.
> I would freely admit that some Indian tribes had elements of
> democracy - every society does - but I hesitate to apply that
> term to any primitive society for a variety of reasons, not the
> least of which is illiteracy.
As I explained to a previous poster, just because the communication
methods of precontact Native Americans did not include an alphabet,
does not mean that complex communication did not take place. There
were orators who had memorized large volumes of knowledge in
addition to the various forms of pictorial writing. The larger
indigenous cities had libraries, universities, theaters, zoos, and
observatories, not to mention sports arenas, botanical gardens,
palaces, pyramids, and thriving marketplaces.
In post contact time, there is also the amazing story of how the
dedicated scholar Sequoyah created the eighty-three character
Tsalagi alphabet which is still in use by the Cherokee Nation today.
> > Look, at the time of first interhemisphere contact in 1492,
> > there were approximately twenty million indigenous inhabitants
> > north of the Rio Grande and approximately eighty million south
> > of it. There were complex cities in the Americas at a time
> > when London and Paris were just a couple of mud streets.
>
> Twenty million sounds way overblown to me. Do you have any
> basis for it?
Granted that by the year 1700, a combination of genocide and
disease had reduced the number to approximately two million, but
yes, there are many sources for this data, three of which are:
A Little Matter Of Genocide: Holocaust And Denial In The Americas
1492 To The Present (Ward Churchill, 1997)
American Holocaust: Columbus And The Conquest Of The New World
(David Stannard, 1992)
Hidden Cities: The Discovery And Loss Of Ancient North American
Civilization (Roger Kennedy, 1994)
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
Poet/Composer/Multi-Instrumentalist/Cultural Historian
Primal Pulse (Label-Publisher-Studio)
The Monongahela River, Turtle Island
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Now Available:
Staff, Mask, Rattle (2-CD: Instrumental, 2002)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc2
Owls In Obsidian (CD: Instrumental, 2000)
http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/ttc
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"Racism in America against Indian people is so institutionalized and
pervasive as to be almost unrecognizable."
- - Russell Means