Strange Norway Shooting Details
ColdWarDinosaur
some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
Muslims, but killed Christians. Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it. Then,
allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
What the heck is going on???
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HW
The Todal
> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
> Muslims, but killed Christians.
Most of those he killed were (if I understand the reports correctly) members
of a centrist or Left wing political party. Maybe that was part of his
motive. To attack a party whose policies he disliked.
>Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan, which seems to be a
regular occurrence now. We don't seem to hear about any prosecutions or
courts-martial.
> Then,
> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
> What the heck is going on???
I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to preach
his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard. But why reward
him for killing so many people?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> > took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>
> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>
> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
<http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
Y.
--
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
'This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by G-d
Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its
legitimacy' (Golda Meir (1898 - 1978))
martin
> The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
>> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>>
>> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>>
>> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
>> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
>> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>
> <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
What's the point in posting that kind of biased shite? How about
stopping Israelis burning down farms and olive groves just because they
belong to palastinians? Even Israel's own generals are now starting to
complain about it
>
> Y.
>
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would be appreciated - thanks.
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Ishvara
> ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
>> Muslims, but killed Christians.
>
> Most of those he killed were (if I understand the reports correctly) members
> of a centrist or Left wing political party. Maybe that was part of his
> motive. To attack a party whose policies he disliked.
His "manifesto" gives a very long list of political parties which he
describes as part of a traitorous "multicultural alliance". He
considered the teenagers legitimate targets through their membership of
one of those parties.
It's curious to see som folk tying themselves in knots trying to
convince themselves that he was a muslim. He was a nationalist. He was a
capitalist. He was a zionist. He claimed to be a Christian. Clearly some
folk can't recognise that nationalists, capitalists and zionists are
immune from extremism, because they are themselves closer to those
extremes than they realise.
> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
More likely wishful thinking by nationalists, capitalists, and zionists.
>> Then,
>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>> What the heck is going on???
>
> I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to preach
> his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
> of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard. But why reward
> him for killing so many people?
His manifesto is essentially a declaration of war. Some folk would claim
this would mean he should be tried in a closed military court, though in
practice this only applies to people who are resisting US fascist
imperialism.
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Rupert Bear
> ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
> > Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>>some really weird things about this.
>
> his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
> of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard. But why reward
> him for killing so many people?
Indeed so..
Why let him have his platform
and add insult to injury...
But.
Rather oddly,, the Guardian now suggest
they will be adjusting the count of victims
downwards,,, ?
Here are a couple of links of
interest.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2011/07/terrorism-norway
http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/norwegian-campsite-utoya-was-socialist-and-anti-israel/
Seems they were on a week long anti-racisim seminar..
and that the Norwegian Foreign Minister had been on
the Island only the day before..
The guy appears to be a wack job who
dissagrees with their liberal imigration policy,,
..............................................................
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On 25/07/2011 12:49, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> > The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> >>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
> >>
> >> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
> >>
> >> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> >> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
> >> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
> >
> > <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>
> What's the point in posting that kind of biased shite?
Refute the figures.
> How about
> stopping Israelis burning down farms and olive groves
<http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/10/arabs-prune-olive-trees-claim-
settlers.html>
> just because they
> belong to palastinians?
There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
'belong' to them.
> Even Israel's own generals are now starting to
> complain about it
<http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
Next time, don't make it so easy, you fucking retard.
The Todal
> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
>> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>>
>> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>>
>> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
>> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
>> US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>
> <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>
Can't see the relevance. I expect you meant to cite some other links. This,
for instance:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14063056
I hope you don't rejoice when you see reports of this sort. After all, the
killing of innocent civilians doesn't improve Israel's security.
ColdWarDinosaur
> ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
>> Muslims, but killed Christians.
>
> Most of those he killed were (if I understand the reports correctly) members
> of a centrist or Left wing political party. Maybe that was part of his
> motive. To attack a party whose policies he disliked.
Still Christians though and probably mainly Protestant like he
probably is.
>
>
> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>
> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>
> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan, which seems to be a
> regular occurrence now. We don't seem to hear about any prosecutions or
> courts-martial.
>
>
>
>> Then,
>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>> What the heck is going on???
>
> I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to preach
> his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
> of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard. But why reward
> him for killing so many people?
The more he talks, the more we'll know and the more people that hear
it, the more chance there is that someone will say, "Hey that doesn't
make sense, or I know differently, whats going on here?"
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HW
ColdWarDinosaur
..but hates Muslims and didn't target them...
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HW
Basil Jet
> ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
>> Muslims, but killed Christians.
>
> Most of those he killed were (if I understand the reports correctly) members
> of a centrist or Left wing political party. Maybe that was part of his
> motive. To attack a party whose policies he disliked.
>
>
> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>
> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>
> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan, which seems to be a
> regular occurrence now. We don't seem to hear about any prosecutions or
> courts-martial.
It's all about looking like the top dog so you get all the ladies. With
no evidence linking them to the attack they won't be prosecuted, so it's
a pretty risk free way of attracting extra wives.
ColdWarDinosaur
petrified of modern ATGM and AAGM systems around their borders to
attack anyone but unarmed Palestinians now, and as for using nukes,
they cannot because the fallout will likely land on Israel too. They
need to negotiate a just peace with their neigbours and live in
harmony in a mutual co-prosperity sphere not create an Apartheid State
where genocidal maniacs like "Yitzhak" rule.
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~~
HW
pensive hamster
> His "manifesto" gives a very long list of political parties which he
> describes as part of a traitorous "multicultural alliance". He
> considered the teenagers legitimate targets through their membership of
> one of those parties.
>
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14274908
Live updates, 12:03, Mon 25 July 2011
The Norwegian anti-Islamic citizen journalist website Document.no, to
which Breivik himself was a frequent contributor, has said large parts
of his "compendium" are copied directly from US "Unabomber" Ted
Kaczynski's manifesto. Six of the references to the British National
Party are from a Melanie Phillips article in Britain's Daily Mail
about Labour, immigration and the BNP, which he appears to have cut
and pasted into the document.
--------------------------------
martin
> martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> 'belong' to them.
lolololol
Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and any
atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years ago.
>> Even Israel's own generals are now starting to
>> complain about it
>
> <http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
>
> Next time, don't make it so easy, you fucking retard.
Fascist. It's not an appeal to authority, it's stating the fucking facts
moron. When your own country's generals are starting to say something is
terrorism it's time to take notice.
Ray Fischer
>Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
>Muslims, but killed Christians.
He hates liberals and what "they" are doing to "his" country.
> Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
Extremists will take cedit for any violence that they like.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
rfis...@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
Ray Fischer
>ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>> Then,
>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>> What the heck is going on???
>
>I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to preach
>his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
>of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard.
When you murder 90+ people you forfeit your rights.
Marvin the Martian
> martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 25/07/2011 12:49, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> > The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> >>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>> >>
>> >> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>> >>
>> >> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
>> >> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
>> >> US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>> >
>> > <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>>
>> What's the point in posting that kind of biased shite?
>
> Refute the figures.
I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike; both
seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it as an
excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
>> How about
>> stopping Israelis burning down farms and olive groves
>
> <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/10/arabs-prune-olive-trees-claim-
> settlers.html>
>
>> just because they
>> belong to palastinians?
>
> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> 'belong' to them.
Whomever they are, they have rights. Yes, they are assholes, but that in
no way proves that the Israelis are not assholes as well.
For example, such silly rhetorical arguments as the one you made above as
an excuse for burning people out of their homes is a statement indicative
of an asshole.
True Blue
> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
> Muslims, but killed Christians.
And thus distinguished himself as having the brains to tackle the
leaking waterpipe, instead of leaving it running and just bailing the
house out. White leftists are the *cause* of Oslo's Muslim problem,
the Muslims are merely doing what Muslims do.
That this has happened is not a surprise - it's that it has taken so
long, that is the surprise. And if I were asked to take a bet on where
it was going to take place, I would have said Holland, not Norway.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> The Todal wrote:
> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> >>>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
> >>> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
> >>>
> >>> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> >>> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
> >>> US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
> >> <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
> >>
> >
> > Can't see the relevance. I expect you meant to cite some other links. This,
> > for instance:
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14063056
> >
> > I hope you don't rejoice when you see reports of this sort. After all, the
> > killing of innocent civilians doesn't improve Israel's security.
> >
> >
> Israel's security is a shadow of its former self. They are too
> petrified of modern ATGM and AAGM systems around their borders to
> attack anyone but unarmed Palestinians now,
<http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/hamas-mp-we-used-women-and-children-a
s-human-shields.html >
> and as for using nukes,
> they cannot because the fallout will likely land on Israel too. They
> need to negotiate a just peace with their neigbours
<http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/03/06/no-appeasement-11-reasons-why-is
raeli-concessions-will-not-bring-peace/>
> and live in
> harmony in a mutual co-prosperity sphere not create an Apartheid State
> where genocidal maniacs like "Yitzhak" rule.
<http://www.jcpa.org/text/apartheid.pdf>
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On 25/07/2011 13:05, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> > martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> > logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> > 'belong' to them.
>
> lolololol
>
> Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and any
> atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years ago.
1) Who was the leader of the Palestinians before Arafat?
2) What was the currency of Palestine before the Jews stole it?
3) Jerusalem was the capital of which Palestinian empire?
4) Which Palestinian kings are buried in Jerusalem?
5) What are some of the technological advances that the world
owes the
Palestinians?
6) What are some of the cultural gifts of Palestine?
> >> Even Israel's own generals are now starting to
> >> complain about it
> >
> > <http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
> >
> > Next time, don't make it so easy, you fucking retard.
>
> Fascist. It's not an appeal to authority, it's stating the fucking facts
> moron. When your own country's generals are starting to say something is
> terrorism it's time to take notice.
<http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_control_of_the_military>
Happy to have cleared things up for you.
Nigel Oldfield
He appears to be much like Pat Condell (who I do not dislike, at all and
is correct on many things), but went 'operational'.
WM
Nigel Oldfield
> The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>> ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>>> Then,
>>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>>> What the heck is going on???
>>
>> I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to preach
>> his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
>> of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard.
>
> When you murder 90+ people you forfeit your rights.
Legally not.
WM
Dave Smith
> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>
> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>
> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time US or
> UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan, which seems to be a
> regular occurrence now. We don't seem to hear about any prosecutions or
> courts-martial.
Perhaps is was government misinformation. Immediately after the attacks
on 9/11 the US was claiming that the terrorists had snuck into the US
the night before from Canada. It turned out that they had been in the
US for months. They had arrived with passports and they had visas. Every
once in a while that stupid little factoird raises its ugly head again,
with people in high level federal positions referring back to the
terrorists who snuck into the US from Canada. They use it to justify
their demands for passports for Canadians entering the US, even for
Americans returning to the land of the free.
Marvin the Martian
> On 25/07/2011 13:05, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
>> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
>> 'belong' to them.
>
> lolololol
>
> Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and any
> atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years ago.
Um... Jews and Muslims have been dehumanizing other people for thousands
and hundreds of years.
Bert Hyman
<wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Muslim extremists initially, allegedly took responsibility for the
> atrocity but subsequently denied it.
There�s a feverish debate going on in the Twittersphere and
blogosphere about why/how the Oslo massacre was initially linked
to what turned out to be a fraudulent AQ-related group.
http://jarretbrachman.net/?p=1568
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN be...@iphouse.com
Ariadne
The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians"
are a people. They are just ARABS.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
And they already have a state. Here it is ..
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan>
martin
> He appears to be much like Pat Condell (who I do not dislike, at all and
> is correct on many things), but went 'operational'.
It's happened before with YouTubers. Are we expecting Pat to "go postal"
anytime soon?
I know you said you don't dislike him, but he's a bit repetitive and
boring. I unsubbed a year or so ago I just couldn't stand him any more
with his rants. He's not even funny like The Amazing Atheist
Ariadne
> Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 1:47 pm, martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians"
> > are a people. They are just ARABS.
>
> And they already have a state. Here it is ..
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan>
>
> Y.
> --
And I forgot to say that they're just IMMIGRANT Arabs.
Nobody who knows the history could possible claim
indigenousness for these frauds.
Ariadne
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:47:47 +0100, martin wrote:
>
> > On 25/07/2011 13:05, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> >> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> >> 'belong' to them.
> >
> > lolololol
> >
> > Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and any
> > atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years ago.
>
> Um... Jews and Muslims have been dehumanizing other people for thousands
> and hundreds of years.
When have Jew... sorry, Joooooos, ever 'dehumaniz[ed]' anyone, Adolf ?
FACE
Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
>I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
>religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike; both
>seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it as an
>excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master" race.
I know that they say that they are God's chosen people, but I never ave
seen where they are commanded to rule the entire world such as the
mohammadans are in the koran -- that's sura 5, ayat 48 & 49.
FACE
Ariadne
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:47:47 +0100, martin wrote:
> > On 25/07/2011 13:05, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> >> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> >> 'belong' to them.
>
> > lolololol
>
> > Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and any
> > atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years ago.
It is you who learned nothing from that, naziboi.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Jul 25, 2:43 pm, yitz...@yahoo.fr (Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein) wrote:
> > Ariadne <ariadne....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 25, 1:47 pm, martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians"
> > > are a people. They are just ARABS.
> >
> > And they already have a state. Here it is ..
> >
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan>
> And I forgot to say that they're just IMMIGRANT Arabs.
>
> Nobody who knows the history could possible claim
> indigenousness for these frauds.
That's the thing, though. The anti-Semitic fuckheads like Paula,
Ishvara, 'ColdWarDinosaur', Earl Evleth, 'True Blue' [1] et al
constantly claim a 'Palestinian' (sic) presence 'since time immemorial'.
Funny how such a long-lived civilisation left no trace of its existence,
eh ..?
1) Who was the leader of the Palestinians before Arafat?
2) What was the currency of Palestine before the Jews stole it?
3) Jerusalem was the capital of which Palestinian empire?
4) Which Palestinian kings are buried in Jerusalem?
5) What are some of the technological advances that the world owes the
Palestinians?
6) What are some of the cultural gifts of Palestine?
The questions that they dodge. Each and every time.
Y.
[1] one notes in passing how many of them don't have the balls to post
using their real name...
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:10:59 -0500, in uk.politics.misc, Marvin the
> Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
>
> >I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
> >religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike; both
> >seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it as an
> >excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
>
>
> Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master" race.
Nowhere. It's a Nazi canard.
Y.
The Todal
Nobody pays much attention to the holy books that were written many
centuries ago. In today's world, everyone knows that the USA regards itself
as the top nation and gives itself the right to invade any country on any
pretext, and to extradite and put on trial people who have committed crimes
that affect the USA even if those crimes were committed in foreign countries
by foreigners.
Americans are the master race. It used to be the English, before the first
World War.
Obviously, it does not follow that each citizen is entitled to any
privileges by virtue of belonging to the master race. In the USA there is
far more poverty and homelessness than there is in less masterful nations.
Ariadne
> The Todal wrote:
> > Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> >>> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> >>>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>
> >>> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> >>> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
> >> <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>
> > Can't see the relevance. I expect you meant to cite some other links. This,
> > for instance:
> >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14063056
>
> > I hope you don't rejoice when you see reports of this sort. After all, the
> > killing of innocent civilians doesn't improve Israel's security.
>
> Israel's security is a shadow of its former self. They are too
> petrified of modern ATGM and AAGM systems around their borders to
> they cannot because the fallout will likely land on Israel too. They
> harmony in a mutual co-prosperity sphere not create an Apartheid State
> where genocidal maniacs like "Yitzhak" rule.
>
> ~~
> HW
You seem lobotomised.
Ariadne
> Ariadne wrote:
>
> [the usual zio-fascist crap]
> One of your own ran amok.
More like your own, Abdul.
Nazis and Islamists two peas in a pod.
Ariadne
> ColdWarDinosaur <wynnehen...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
> >some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
> >took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it. Then,
> >allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
> >his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
> >What the heck is going on???
>
>
> History is being re-written as fast as
> the interested parties are capable ...
> to gain political advantage and/or to
> dodge blame. The Labor Party will want to
> paint all its opponents as evil and justify
> going all Big Brother on their asses.
>
> So the facts will be 'adjusted', 're-colored',
> 're-arranged', 're-contexted' ... until they
> serve.
>
> And the prime suspect ? They don't want HIS
> version told. He'll be kept under wraps, maybe
> offered a deal IF he'll say what he's told ...
That's very much in keeping with what
Autonomous Mind had to say.
http://autonomousmind.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/what-the-norway-massacre-is-telling-us/
Marvin the Martian
> FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:10:59 -0500, in uk.politics.misc, Marvin the
>> Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
>>
>> >I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
>> >religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike;
>> >both seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it
>> >as an excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
>>
>>
>> Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master" race.
>
> Nowhere. It's a Nazi canard.
>
> Y.
Even Feynman felt that there were racist similarities between what he was
taught in synagogue and the racist beliefs of the Nazis.
Which isn't surprising, given that Hitler was 1/4 Jewish.
Nigel Oldfield
> On 25/07/2011 14:22, Nigel Oldfield wrote:
>
>> He appears to be much like Pat Condell (who I do not dislike, at all and
>> is correct on many things), but went 'operational'.
>
> It's happened before with YouTubers. Are we expecting Pat to "go postal"
> anytime soon?
>
> I know you said you don't dislike him, but he's a bit repetitive and
> boring. I unsubbed a year or so ago I just couldn't stand him any more
> with his rants. He's not even funny like The Amazing Atheist
>
Yup.
WM
Ariadne
Jews are not supremacist. The "chosenness"
involves keeping the 613 laws of Judaism as far
as that is possible. Some laws cannot be obeyed
in the absence of a temple.
Lv26-12a
"I will walk among you and be your God, and you
will be My people."
http://www.rashiyomi.com/rule1612.htm
Jews do not exclude. Any gentile (non-Jew) can
be exactly as righteous as an observant Jew by
obeying the 7 Noachide laws.
With explanation:
http://www.babylonforsaken.com/noahide.html
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:47:47 +0100, martin wrote:
>>
>> > On 25/07/2011 13:05, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> >> martin<use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
>> >> logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
>> >> 'belong' to them.
>> >
>> > lolololol
>> >
>> > Typical fascist. The fucking irony of that. Dehumanize a people and
>> > any atrocity becomes acceptable. You learnt nothing from 60 years
>> > ago.
>>
>> Um... Jews and Muslims have been dehumanizing other people for
>> thousands and hundreds of years.
>
> When have Jew... sorry, Joooooos, ever 'dehumaniz[ed]' anyone, Adolf ?
>
> Y.
You mean, starting when they slaughtered everyone who was living in THEIR
land before THEY got there, including dashing babies against the rocks?
And leading up to persecution of the Palestinians, including your own
denial of their right to own property and your justification for burning
them out?
Asshole.
The Doctor
Ray Fischer <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote:
>The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>>ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>>> Then,
>>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>>> What the heck is going on???
>>
>>his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say that freedom
>>of speech demands that he should have the right to be heard.
>
>
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Marvin the Martian
What a bunch of racist crap you post.
PEOPLE WERE LIVING THERE. Yes, it was part of the Ottoman Empire before
the British Imperialist (Literally, they claimed to be an empire)
conquered it and made it a colony. But PEOPLE WERE LIVING THERE, and THEY
HAVE BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS.
It is an idiots red herring argument to say that you can crap on them
because they didn't have a king, or that they didn't have coins of their
own, or they didn't have a capital, or you don't judge them to have
cultural "gifts". The same stupid arguments are true for the Jews who
live there.
Damned, you're not any better than a damned Nazi yourself!! It is
incredible how you dehumanize people. Sure, the people you're
dehumanizing are assholes, but damn it all, SO ARE YOU!
I can't believe you think you have a RIGHT to burn them out. Incredible!
Bert Hyman
Fischer) wrote:
> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>>ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>>> Then,
>>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative
>>> to his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is
>>> closed. What the heck is going on???
>>
>>I'm guessing that the judge doesn't want him to use this platform to
>>preach his wacky political beliefs to the entire world. Some will say
>>that freedom of speech demands that he should have the right to be
>>heard.
>
> When you murder 90+ people you forfeit your rights.
So there's no need for a trial?
The Todal
> Jews do not exclude. Any gentile (non-Jew) can
> be exactly as righteous as an observant Jew by
> obeying the 7 Noachide laws.
>
> With explanation:
> http://www.babylonforsaken.com/noahide.html
And to their credit, Jews do not try to "spread the gospel" or convert
others to judaism. Unlike the Christians in particular, who arrogantly
believed for many centuries that it was their role to bring civilisation to
the barbarians. And jews have been the main victims of pogroms.
Ariadne
You are so antisemitic you have to shout your lies.
Pathetic.
Israel is not a rotten Muslim state and has laws
which allow those with a claim to pursue their
claims in court.
The fact that land-grabbing, Jew-hating liars
need to recruit the likes of you to their fake
cause says an awful lot about you and nothing
good.
CheeseySock
> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate Muslims,
> but killed Christians. Muslim extremists initially, allegedly took
> responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it. Then,
> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
> What the heck is going on???
The details are probably best not aired in public. It is a very odd
event.
He (and those backing him) Should not get any further platform to preach
from, I hear he wants to wear his self-designed? uniform to the trial.
The problem STM too many people talking murder and killing on the
internet chatrooms blogs and websites etc.. Wrapping it up as
justifiable homicide or 'execution' or 'war'. Especially around the
muslim immigration and compatability thing as there appears a subset of a
foreign governments (racial nationalist ideology) PR operations who like
to amplify this, as it is their problem, seem to want to prove it is the
wests problem too.
(but, I'm not a fan of overcrowding or unfair-competition, so myself I'd
say immigration here has not been managed that well, but I'd say a
certain amount is fine, as long as not too much ghetto creation, slum
landlords, cheating, etc. and given enough well paid jobs to sustain
everyone so it is not a drain on the welfare state and peoples taxes)
Nigel Oldfield
> ColdWarDinosaur<wynnehenry!@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
>> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
>> Muslims, but killed Christians. Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it. Then,
>> allegedly, someone added the attributes Christian and Conservative to
>> his Facebook page. Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>> What the heck is going on???
>
>
>
> History is being re-written as fast as
> the interested parties are capable ...
> to gain political advantage and/or to
> dodge blame. The Labor Party will want to
> paint all its opponents as evil and justify
> going all Big Brother on their asses.
>
> So the facts will be 'adjusted', 're-colored',
> 're-arranged', 're-contexted' ... until they
> serve.
>
> And the prime suspect ? They don't want HIS
> version told. He'll be kept under wraps, maybe
> offered a deal IF he'll say what he's told ...
Survivor of The Oslo Bombings Speaks Out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K58TjYorsKA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4NohssAjDI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLrlU1B-kow&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KZnJyMqCBE&feature=related
WM
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:05:48 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> > FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:10:59 -0500, in uk.politics.misc, Marvin the
> >> Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
> >>
> >> >I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
> >> >religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike;
> >> >both seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it
> >> >as an excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
> >>
> >>
> >> Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master" race.
> >
> > Nowhere. It's a Nazi canard.
> Even Feynman felt
<http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
Marvin the Martian
> Ariadne <ariad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 25, 1:47 pm, martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinians" are a people. They are
>> just ARABS.
>
> And they already have a state. Here it is ..
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan>
>
> Y.
If that is the justification, then Israel should pull back to those
borders. Even I think that would be stupid. Clearly, the partition didn't
give the Jews enough space.
The stupid fucking Arabs were dumb enough to slaughter all the Jews and
take their tiny share. Which was all reason the stupid fucking Jews
needed to kill the Arabs and take their land.
Damn, what a miserable shit hole of humanity!
Marvin the Martian
I don't dispute that for the last century, (and probably before) the US
has behaved badly.
I also know that most of the world's religions have a preferred position
for the believers. In the Ojibwe-Ottawa religion, for example, if you're
not one of the "three fires", that is, one of the Ojibwe, Ottawa or
Potawatomi tribes. Jews think they're "God's chose people". The ancient
Greeks believed that there were Greeks, and barbarians. The Romans also
had this idea only they divided the world into Romans and barbarians. The
Muslims have names for those who are not Muslim and those are infidels
(who have no right to live) and dhimmis, who have the Muslims afford the
right to live - barely. The Japanese and Chinese were similar in their
beliefs.
So, it doesn't surprise me that there are ethnocentric cultures out there
who think they're superior to everyone else on the planet. When you get a
couple of them that are very ardent in this belief, like Muslims and
Jews, it means NOTHING BUT BLOODSHED.
Marvin the Martian
LOL! They don't spread it, because they believe it is a birthright and
conversion is really not possible.
So, I see a bit of that famous hate against Christians thing going on in
that post.
Proves the point.
Ariadne
Absolutely. Thank you for the addition.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:48:35 +0100, The Todal wrote:
>
> > Ariadne wrote:
> >> Jews do not exclude. Any gentile (non-Jew) can be exactly as righteous
> >> as an observant Jew by obeying the 7 Noachide laws.
> >>
> >> With explanation:
> >> http://www.babylonforsaken.com/noahide.html
> >
> > And to their credit, Jews do not try to "spread the gospel" or convert
> > others to judaism. Unlike the Christians in particular, who arrogantly
> > believed for many centuries that it was their role to bring civilisation
> > to the barbarians. And jews have been the main victims of pogroms.
>
> LOL! They don't spread it, because they believe it is a birthright and
> conversion is really not possible.
You fucking tool.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Jews think they're "God's chose people".
'It is not because you are numerous that God chose you, indeed you are
the smallest of people...'
<http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/jewsaschosenpeople.htm>
You fucking retarded cunt.
Marvin the Martian
What part was untrue? None of it. You're the liar. Yitz was trying to
justify burning these people out of their homes because he defined the
humanity right out of them. T
> Israel is not a rotten Muslim state and has laws which allow those with
> a claim to pursue their claims in court.
I agree Israel is not a rotten Muslim state. Indeed, most Muslim states
are rotten. Israel is a rotten Jewish state, where there are people who
are every bit a NAZI and racist who feel that they have a right to burn
people out of their houses and take their lands and property.
> The fact that land-grabbing, Jew-hating liars need to recruit the likes
> of you to their fake cause says an awful lot about you and nothing good.
I wasn't recruited, I just watched history for the last 50 years. Israel
started out with the moral high ground and proved they were every bit as
bad as the people they hate.
Idiots like you who think you can cry anti-semitism (you're not even
semitic!) when anyone points out the brutality of the Israeli government
are just stupid.
Marvin the Martian
Apparently not. All Ray needs to do is claim you murdered 90 people and
he then can just shoot you in the head.
Ray, of course, is an idiot.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> > Israel's security is a shadow of its former self. They are too
> > petrified of modern ATGM and AAGM systems around their borders to
> > attack anyone but unarmed Palestinians now, and as for using nukes,
> > they cannot because the fallout will likely land on Israel too. They
> > need to negotiate a just peace with their neigbours and live in
> > harmony in a mutual co-prosperity sphere not create an Apartheid State
> > where genocidal maniacs like "Yitzhak" rule.
> >
> > --
> > ~~
> > HW
>
> You seem lobotomised.
That would require one of these ..
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_brain>
Here, maybe we can give him one from those Fakie children we 'murder to
get blood for our seder'. And you can 'eat' the rest, just as Paula
claims you do.
Nightjar
> Based upon writings in Usenet and Brit Press, it seems that there are
> some really weird things about this. Firstly, he claims to hate
> Muslims, but killed Christians.
According to his manifesto, he was attacking cultural Marxists and
multiculturalist traitors.
> Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
It was a remand hearing. Keeping it closed made security a lot simpler.
Expect continuing heavy security to surround him. There are a lot of
angry people in Norway at the moment.
Colin Bignell
pensive hamster
(at the risk of wandering slightly off-topic ...)
According to Terry Jones' TV series, The Barbarians, the whole
Christianity bringing civilisation to the barbarians thing ultimately
derived from Ancient Rome's attempts to justify conquest. It was Roman
political spin.
-----------------------------------
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Jones%27_Barbarians
The popular view of Celtic society is that it was primitive and
uncivilized. Terry Jones sets out to challenge this view. Far from
being primitive compared to Rome, it was an advanced society that was
in some ways even more advanced than Rome. For example, many of the
roads in Gaul that were assumed to have been built by the Romans, turn
out to have been built by the Celts themselves.[1] However, Gaul was
rich and tempting to Rome. The Roman general, Julius Caesar, set out
to conquer Gaul with a professional army. The Celts stood no chance
against Caesar and the Romans, and so today what we have is Rome's
version of history.
[...]
Around 400 AD, two Barbarian babies were born. One would grow up to
become the most feared of all - Attila the Hun. The other, Geiseric,
led the Vandals whom history has cast as destroyers. Jones claims that
Roman civilization wasn't destroyed by the invasion of these tribes,
but by the loss of the North African tax base. He sees the common view
of Rome and "Barbarians" as a result of the Roman Catholic Church
popularizing the Roman version of the truth.
----------------------------------
And subsequently, British Victorian Protestants picked up the
'civilization' baton ...
And also from the above Wikipedia page:
'3. "The Brainy Barbarians"
Jones argues that the ancient Greeks and Persians were in reality far
from the Roman view of them as effeminate and addicted to luxury. The
Greeks valued science and mathematics, while the Persians had
initially allowed multiculturalism among the different ethnic groups
of its empire (until years of war with Rome).'
So maybe Islamic zealousness and intolerance towards non-Muslims (to
the extent that it exists) is partly the result of having been
brutalised by the Romans, and subsequent invading (sorry, civilising)
powers. A tradition which is nowadays continued by the West trying to
bomb those benighted nations into democracy.
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:05:48 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> > FACE <AFaceIn...@today.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:10:59 -0500, in uk.politics.misc, Marvin
>> >> the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
>> >>
>> >> >I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
>> >> >religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much
>> >> >alike; both seem to believe they are the master race, for example,
>> >> >and use it as an excuse to treat other people like they are
>> >> >subhuman.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master"
>> >> race.
>> >
>> > Nowhere. It's a Nazi canard.
>
>> Even Feynman felt
>
> <http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html>
>
> Y.
Fair enough to know his reasons and not just because of his name.
Feynman name was being used to make the case of Jewish superiority by
adding his name to a list of great jewish scientist. Feynman's reply is
here:
http://atheistjewingermany.blogspot.com/2008/10/richard-feynman-on-
judaism.html
In your letter you express the theory that people of Jewish origin have
inherited their valuable hereditary elements from their people. It is
quite certain that many things are inherited but it is evil and dangerous
to maintain, in these days of little knowledge of these matters, that
there is a true Jewish race or specific Jewish hereditary character. Many
races as well as cultural influences of men of all kinds have mixed into
any man. To select, for approbation the peculiar elements that come from
some supposedly Jewish heredity is to open the door to all kinds of
nonsense on racial theory.
*Such theoretical views were used by Hitler.* Surely you cannot maintain
on the one hand that certain valuable elements can be inherited from the
"Jewish people," and deny that other elements which other people may find
annoying or worse are not inherited by these same "people." Nor could you
then deny that elements that others would consider valuable could be the
main virtue of an "Aryan" inheritance.
= end quote.
Marvin the Martian
> You fucking retarded cunt.
Spoken like a true child of God.
Now, explain to me how you're not a racist hater? LOL!
Point proven. And no, I don't care if you call me anti-semitic when you
advocate and support dehumanizing another people so you can burn them out
of their homes and rob them and I won't support your racist hate.
pullgees
> Clearly some
> folk can't recognise that nationalists, capitalists and zionists are
> immune from extremism, because they are themselves closer to those
> extremes than they realise.
>
>
> --- Posted via news://freenews.netfront.net/ - Complaints to n...@netfront.net ---
That is just sort of deranged method of thinking that this fanatic
used.
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:48:35 +0100, The Todal wrote:
>>
>> > Ariadne wrote:
>> >> Jews do not exclude. Any gentile (non-Jew) can be exactly as
>> >> righteous as an observant Jew by obeying the 7 Noachide laws.
>> >>
>> >> With explanation:
>> >> http://www.babylonforsaken.com/noahide.html
>> >
>> > And to their credit, Jews do not try to "spread the gospel" or
>> > convert others to judaism. Unlike the Christians in particular, who
>> > arrogantly believed for many centuries that it was their role to
>> > bring civilisation to the barbarians. And jews have been the main
>> > victims of pogroms.
>>
>> LOL! They don't spread it, because they believe it is a birthright and
>> conversion is really not possible.
>
> <http://www.convert.org/>
>
> You fucking tool.
>
> Y.
I would feel soiled to belong to any religion that tolerated a racist
murdering thieving bigot like you.
That rules out Islam AND Judaism.
Ariadne
You are soiled but that has nothing to do with Judaism.
Ariadne
wrote:
> On Jul 25, 3:48 pm, "The Todal" <deadmail...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
> > Ariadne wrote:
> > > Jews do not exclude. Any gentile (non-Jew) can
> > > be exactly as righteous as an observant Jew by
> > > obeying the 7 Noachide laws.
>
> > > With explanation:
> > >http://www.babylonforsaken.com/noahide.html
>
> > And to their credit, Jews do not try to "spread the gospel" or convert
> > others to judaism. Unlike the Christians in particular, who arrogantly
> > believed for many centuries that it was their role to bring civilisation to
> > the barbarians. And jews have been the main victims of pogroms.
>
> (at the risk of wandering slightly off-topic ...)
>
> According to Terry Jones' TV series, The Barbarians, the whole
> Christianity bringing civilisation to the barbarians thing ultimately
> derived from Ancient Rome's attempts to justify conquest. It was Roman
> political spin.
>
Not a bad byeway but beware of dates in history.
Islam began in the seventh century by which time
the Roman Empire was long gone.
Mohamed acquired his "second holiest city" by
murdering all the Jewish men who lived in it and
taking their wives, children and businesses for
himself.
Mohamed was scum.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
Whereas you wrote ..
'conversion is really not possible'
Like I said - you fucking tool.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:20:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> > You fucking retarded cunt.
>
> Spoken like a true child of God.
>
> Now, explain to me how you're not a racist hater? LOL!
1. to which 'race' do you belong?
2. how was I expected to know that from your nym?
Ergo --
3. how was my response 'racist' ?
Marvin the Martian
Yes, things like secret trials and the destruction of rights always has
the best of reasons and the purest of intent.
Which is why the US is hiring child molesters and putting them in
airports so they can put their hands down the pants of 6 year old little
girls. All good reasons. Gotta keep that little girl safe!
Marvin the Martian
Who the hell am I to criticize the master race for a little genocide and
looting. You sure as hell find it justified.
Ariadne
All of it. More ignorance and hate showing that
you don't have a case.
FACE
<deadm...@beeb.net>, wrote
>FACE wrote:
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:10:59 -0500, in uk.politics.misc, Marvin the
>> Martian <mar...@ontomars.org>, wrote
>>
>>> I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
>>> religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike;
>>> both seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use
>>> it as an excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
>>
>>
>> Where is it again where the Jews say that they are the "Master" race.
>> I know that they say that they are God's chosen people, but I never
>> ave seen where they are commanded to rule the entire world such as the
>> mohammadans are in the koran -- that's sura 5, ayat 48 & 49.
>>
>
>Nobody pays much attention to the holy books that were written many
>centuries ago. In today's world, everyone knows that the USA regards itself
>as the top nation and gives itself the right to invade any country on any
>pretext, and to extradite and put on trial people who have committed crimes
>that affect the USA even if those crimes were committed in foreign countries
>by foreigners.
>
>Americans are the master race. It used to be the English, before the first
>World War.
>
>Obviously, it does not follow that each citizen is entitled to any
>privileges by virtue of belonging to the master race. In the USA there is
>far more poverty and homelessness than there is in less masterful nations.
>
And the US "poor" taken as a group have a greater standard of living than
the middle class of continental europe.
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:20:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> > You fucking retarded cunt.
>>
>> Spoken like a true child of God.
>>
>> Now, explain to me how you're not a racist hater? LOL!
>
> 1. to which 'race' do you belong?
> 2. how was I expected to know that from your nym?
>
> Ergo --
>
> 3. how was my response 'racist' ?
>
> Y.
Idiot. You revealed your racism when you justified burning out some Arab
out of his home because "Palestinian" people don't exist. You literally
reduced a whole people to non-human.
Your stupid fallacy here is that for someone to point out your racism,
you have to have said something racist against that person. No, you said
something very, very racist about ANOTHER people.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> > The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> >>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
> >>
> >> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
> >>
> >> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> >> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
> >> US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
> >
> > <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
> >
>
> Can't see the relevance. I expect you meant to cite some other links. This,
> for instance:
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14063056
>
> I hope you don't rejoice when you see reports of this sort. After all, the
> killing of innocent civilians doesn't improve Israel's security.
Let me guess.. the war in Afghanistan was done at Israel's behest, and
the Jooooos rule the US anyway, so it was all done for the Joooooos...
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:05:40 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> > martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> On 25/07/2011 12:49, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >> > The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
> >> >>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
> >> >>
> >> >> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
> >> >> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every time
> >> >> US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
> >> >
> >> > <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
> >>
> >> What's the point in posting that kind of biased shite?
> >
> > Refute the figures.
>
> I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
> religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike; both
> seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it as an
> excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
Translation: you're a useless cumstain who can't refute the figures.
> >> How about
> >> stopping Israelis burning down farms and olive groves
> >
> > <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/10/arabs-prune-olive-trees-claim-
> > settlers.html>
> >
> >> just because they
> >> belong to palastinians?
> >
> > There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
> > logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
> > 'belong' to them.
>
> Whomever they are, they have rights.
They have common law rights, but they do not include the right to kill
Jooooos and have filth like you applaud them for it. Nor do they
include the right to slaughter every Joooo in Israel and steal our land.
> Yes, they are assholes, but that in
> no way proves that the Israelis are not assholes as well.
There are assholes everywhere.
> For example, such silly rhetorical arguments as the one you made above as
> an excuse for burning people out of their homes is a statement indicative
> of an asshole.
Learn what 'rhetorical' means, idiot.
<fx: aside: fuck _me_, when do the schools go back ..?>
Marvin the Martian
Where did I say "convert"? Logic isn't your strong point.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:07:17 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> > Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:20:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
> >>
> >> > You fucking retarded cunt.
> >>
> >> Spoken like a true child of God.
> >>
> >> Now, explain to me how you're not a racist hater? LOL!
> >
> > 1. to which 'race' do you belong?
> > 2. how was I expected to know that from your nym?
> >
> > Ergo --
> >
> > 3. how was my response 'racist' ?
> Idiot.
How delicious, concerning the moronic bile that is to follow...
> You revealed your racism when you justified burning out some Arab
> out of his home because "Palestinian" people don't exist.
Note the (rather clever, granted) slipping in of 'Arab' and
'Palestinian' (sic) into the same phrase, folks? As if I'd even
mentioned 'Arabs'.
> You literally
> reduced a whole people to non-human.
There is no such people as 'Palestinians' (sic).
> Your stupid fallacy
Which 'fallacy' would that be?
> here is that for someone to point out your racism,
> you have to have said something racist against that person.
LMAO!!!!
> No, you said
> something very, very racist about ANOTHER people.
Oh fuckin' hell, I'm gonna bust a rib, here ...
Marvin the Martian
Agreed, Mohamed was scum.
Now, what happened to the people who were living in that area before
God's chosen people, the master race, got to their holy land?
Oh yeah. Killed 'em all. Dashed their babies against the rocks. That's
okay, huh?
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
LMAO!!
*wriggle*, *wriggle* ...
You wrote:
'conversion is really not possible'
A convert is someone who _converts_.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Dashed their babies against the rocks.
Why go back thousands of years? Here's one they prepared earlier..
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar#Shootout_and_killings>
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:07:17 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> > Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:20:07 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > You fucking retarded cunt.
>> >>
>> >> Spoken like a true child of God.
>> >>
>> >> Now, explain to me how you're not a racist hater? LOL!
>> >
>> > 1. to which 'race' do you belong?
>> > 2. how was I expected to know that from your nym?
>> >
>> > Ergo --
>> >
>> > 3. how was my response 'racist' ?
>
>> Idiot.
>
> How delicious, concerning the moronic bile that is to follow...
>
>> You revealed your racism when you justified burning out some Arab out
>> of his home because "Palestinian" people don't exist.
>
> Note the (rather clever, granted) slipping in of 'Arab' and
> 'Palestinian' (sic) into the same phrase, folks? As if I'd even
> mentioned 'Arabs'.
I don't buy into your idiot's semantic fallacy, if that's what you mean.
I could call them Palestinian, and you'd argue the point. The fact is
they're HUMAN, at least to me (even with all their hateful, racist
religious beliefs) ; maybe not YOU and your hateful, racist religious
beliefs but there it is. I thought we could agree on Arab, but NO.... not
you. If I call them Arabs you have to admit they're some sort of human.
>> You literally
>> reduced a whole people to non-human.
>
> There is no such people as 'Palestinians' (sic).
Which proves not only that you're racist, but that you're irrational.
>> Your stupid fallacy
>
> Which 'fallacy' would that be?
So, simple sentences are alien to you, and you want all the meaning of a
sentence in the subject.
Figures.
>> here is that for someone to point out your racism, you have to have
>> said something racist against that person.
>
> LMAO!!!!
>
>> No, you said
>> something very, very racist about ANOTHER people.
>
> Oh fuckin' hell, I'm gonna bust a rib, here ...
>
> Y.
Good excuse for being a racist bigot. You know what? You're an
embarrassment not just to the Jewish people, but to Israel itself.
Assholes like you give the whole country a bad name.
Ariadne
It's not OK and it's not even true.
You are becoming a byword for lying.
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 13:05:40 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> > martin <use...@etiqa.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 25/07/2011 12:49, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>> >> > The Todal<deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>> >> >>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such
>> >> >> a massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every
>> >> >> time US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>> >> >
>> >> > <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>> >>
>> >> What's the point in posting that kind of biased shite?
>> >
>> > Refute the figures.
>>
>> I have no problem with posting facts about a brutal and oppressive
>> religion, be it Islam or Judaism. In many ways, they are much alike;
>> both seem to believe they are the master race, for example, and use it
>> as an excuse to treat other people like they are subhuman.
>
> Translation: you're a useless cumstain who can't refute the figures.
I don't doubt the "figures" at all.
Your idiot's tu quoque argument is what what's laughable. That you can't
understand that only shows how irrational and hateful you are.
>> >> How about
>> >> stopping Israelis burning down farms and olive groves
>> >
>> > <http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2010/10/arabs-prune-olive-trees-
claim-
>> > settlers.html>
>> >
>> >> just because they
>> >> belong to palastinians?
>> >
>> > There is no such people as the 'Palestinians', and as such, legally,
>> > logically, morally, historically and etymologically, nothing can
>> > 'belong' to them.
>>
>> Whomever they are, they have rights.
>
> They have common law rights, but they do not include the right to kill
> Jooooos and have filth like you applaud them for it. Nor do they
> include the right to slaughter every Joooo in Israel and steal our land.
Now you're just a damned liar. Where did I applaud them for killing
"jooos". You truly are a God damned liar. Never did I applaud them. I
condemned them for being racist murdering assholes. I condemn YOU for
being a racist murdering asshole.
< snip stupid replies >
Not even amusing.
Marvin the Martian
Idiot. Did you convert? Are you Jewish? Figure it out! Come on...
It's simple logic, but of course, way above YOUR head.
The Todal
> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
>> Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>>> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >Muslim extremists initially, allegedly
>>>>> took responsibility for the atrocity but subsequently denied it.
>>>>
>>>> Did they, though? Or was it just a wild internet rumour?
>>>>
>>>> And what benefit can it be to the Muslims to take credit for such a
>>>> massacre? They get all the favourable publicity they need every
>>>> time US or UK troops kill innocent civilians in Afghanistan
>>>
>>> <http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/>
>>>
>>
>> Can't see the relevance. I expect you meant to cite some other
>> links. This, for instance:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-14063056
>>
>> I hope you don't rejoice when you see reports of this sort. After
>> all, the killing of innocent civilians doesn't improve Israel's
>> security.
>
> Let me guess.. the war in Afghanistan was done at Israel's behest, and
> the Jooooos rule the US anyway, so it was all done for the Joooooos...
>
You guessed wrong, but thanks for playing. The war in Afghanistan was done
at the behest of George Bush and the US neocons who wanted to hit out at
those who were responsible for 9/11 and couldn't find anyone else to fit the
bill.
However, why is it that when I mention "innocent civilians in Afghanistan"
you immediately post a link to tell me about murderous Muslims? Surely you
aren't one of those people who hates all Muslims because you see them all as
the enemy? No, I can't believe you are. So try to avoid giving that
impression. Jews and Muslims are capable of living in close proximity, in
peace and harmony.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> Jews and Muslims are capable of living in close proximity, in
> peace and harmony.
Is this in Pixie-pixie land, or somewhere here on earth ?
Marvin the Martian
> Jews and Muslims are capable of
> living in close proximity, in peace and harmony.
What do you base this on? History? Not much history to support that.
Both religions have made an ass of themselves where-ever they went with
whomever they encountered.
Between the two, peace only came when one side had the upper hand and
could slaughter the other.
Marvin the Martian
> Marvin the Martian <mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
>
>> Dashed their babies against the rocks.
>
> Why go back thousands of years? Here's one they prepared earlier..
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Kuntar#Shootout_and_killings>
>
> Y.
That's nice. Yes, they're evil. Does that prove you're not?
Marvin the Martian
Don't blame me, it's your history not mine. Isiah 13:6 and all that. Kill
'em all.
Marvin the Martian
> The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
>> Jews and Muslims are capable of living in close proximity, in peace and
>> harmony.
>
> Is this in Pixie-pixie land, or somewhere here on earth ?
>
> Y.
See? He even says so! We agree on this, peace is not possible with these
two peoples.
Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:43:53 +0100, Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein wrote:
>
> > The Todal <deadm...@beeb.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Jews and Muslims are capable of living in close proximity, in peace and
> >> harmony.
> >
> > Is this in Pixie-pixie land, or somewhere here on earth ?
> See? He even says so! We agree on this, peace is not possible with these
> two peoples.
<fx: laughing like a drain...>
martin
Neither, I suppose, does the Israeli general who described it as
terrorism. It's not anti-semitic or anti-jew, or anti-anything to point
out wrongs. Yet that's always the cry isn't it. Pathetic really.
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Yitzhak Isaac Goldstein
> On 25/07/2011 16:58, Ariadne wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 4:27 pm, Marvin the Martian<mar...@ontomars.org> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 07:51:16 -0700, Ariadne wrote:
>
> >>> You are so antisemitic you have to shout your lies. Pathetic.
> >>
> >> What part was untrue? None of it.
> >
> > All of it. More ignorance and hate showing that
> > you don't have a case.
>
> Neither, I suppose, does the Israeli general who described it as
> terrorism. It's not anti-semitic or anti-jew, or anti-anything to point
> out wrongs. Yet that's always the cry isn't it. Pathetic really.
Let's have a read of this 'Israeli General's' words, then.
Nightjar
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 16:42:34 +0100, Nightjar wrote:
>
>> On 25/07/2011 12:08, ColdWarDinosaur wrote:
>>> Now we hear that the court hearing today is closed.
>>
>> It was a remand hearing. Keeping it closed made security a lot simpler.
>> Expect continuing heavy security to surround him. There are a lot of
>> angry people in Norway at the moment.
>>
>> Colin Bignell
>
> Yes, things like secret trials and the destruction of rights always has
> the best of reasons and the purest of intent.
A remand hearing is not a trial.
Colin Bignell