Will Mormonism become the State Religion if Mitt Romney is elected?

[Too_Many_Tools]

Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today...says
he WILL NOT VOTE for Romney because Romney will make Mormonism the
State Religion if elected....and would vote for Obama to keep America
a Christian Nation.

Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.

Like many subjects, we do not know what stand Flip Flop Mitt has on
most things.

But we do know that he gets his orders from Salt Lake City and the
LDS.

TMT

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today

No you didn't.

[weheard...@aol.com]

Tool, did you really put a $1 million bounty on Rosie O'Donnell?

[Fred E Brown]

"Too_Many_Tools" <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:adae3f90-370a-4d84...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

Neither the president or government can sponsor a state religion.
It's prohibited by the Constitution.
Knock off the bullshit.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>"Fred E Brown" <frede...@nowhere.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

But then he can't post at all.

[Mexican Born Polygamist is another lying Mormon]

Real Americans won't vote for a lying cultists mormon who is an anchor baby.

[John Putnam]

What an idiot.

[Padraigh ProAmerica]

Will Mormonism become the State Religion if Mitt Romney is elected?

Group: alt.politics Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012, 7:52pm (EDT-3) From:
too_man...@yahoo.com (Too_Many_Tools)

==================================

Every time you sit in front of a keyboard you expose your bigotry for
all to see.

There's this little thing called the First Amendment to the Constitution
that bars a state religion.

You sound like those rednecks in WV during the 1960 campaign who
wouldn;t vote for Kennedy- he was a Cat'lick and would invite that pope
feller in Rome to come take over.

Yoiu really are a dumbass,

--
"There are good men everywhere. I only wish they had louder voices."--

Louis L'Amour

[Too_Many_Fools]

Code Pink Anti-War Protesters: Obozo Is WORSE than George W. Bush!
LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/10/05/american-women-marching-into-tribal-pakistan-obama-worse-than-bush?vwo=5bd53
LOL…Code Pink Anti-War Protesters: Obozo Is WORSE than George W.
Bush!
Alli McCracken, who said she was one of the 24 American women in the
contingent, said via an E-mail that Obama is "worse than Bush in some
respects; he uses drones significantly more than Bush ever did,
allowing him to carry out covert wars all over the world with zero
accountability to Congress or the American public."
Obama, according to McCracken, has shown "total disregard for
international law" when authorizing these strikes. Asked if Obama had
authorized "murder," McCracken said, "Yes, as far as we know - and we
know very little, since the drone program in Pakistan is operated by
the CIA, and therefore cloaked in secrecy."
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LAUGH..LAUGH..LAUGH

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>John Putnam <shemph...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

That seems to be the general consensus.

[Gray Guest]

Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:adae3f90-370a-4d84-
84b5-e77...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:

Of course it will. And then every man will be able to marry multiple wives
rendering society back tp it's proper level.

I can't wait for the auditions. And my first wife can't wait to have the
extra help around the house.

--
Refusenik #1

[George Plimpton]

Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
best to get Obama re-elected:


"U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"

By Matt Pearce
October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.

Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of
mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they
are “lies straight from the pit of hell.”

Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in
a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist
Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.

Here are his remarks:

“God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was
taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
straight from the pit of hell. It’s lies to try to keep me and all the
folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
There’s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
bullshit snipped]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evolution-hell-20121007,0,4628858.story


If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
they could easily dislodge Obama. When they start doing this kind of
shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 6, 9:52 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:

It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
candidate.

TMT

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>candidate.

It's even more interesting that you can't find Obama's military
records.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>>It is interesting that the Republican Party would run a nonChristian
>>candidate.
>

>"Non Christian" puts it mildly
>
>Mountain Meadows massacre
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854

The Massacre of Verden, Bloodbath of Verden, or Bloody Verdict of
Verden (German Blutgericht von Verden) was a massacre of 4,500 captive
rebel Saxons in 782. During the Saxon Wars, the Saxons rebelled
against Charlemagne's invasion and subsequent attempts to Christianize
them from their native Germanic paganism. The massacre is recorded as
having occurred in what is now Verden in Lower Saxony, Germany.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>Nice try Klaus but 782?

Christianity is over 2000 years old, you know. What's the difference
between going back to 782 or 1840's?

Hmmmmmmm?

>Charlemagne was not the founder of Christianity but an emperor dealing
>with rebels.

Goal post move!

>A far cry from the modern billion dollar corporation that is
>Mormonism founded on such murderous principles as

I have some sad news for you. Smith is dead. They haven't murdered any
settlers in years.

>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>better let the matter alone"

How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
twenty years?

>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");

This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement


Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
Mormons.

[Harold Burton]

In article
<adae3f90-370a-4d84...@o7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

Ah, the stupidity of leftards.


snicker.

[Harold Burton]

In article
<4656b254-96e8-40b3...@u19g2000yqo.googlegroups.com>,

It is intreresting that leftards are stupid enough to believe the above.


snicker

[Harold Burton]

In article <8n54785s5m302ju4b...@4ax.com>,
Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote:

> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>
> Mountain Meadows massacre
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre#CITEREFGrant1854
>

> The Mountain Meadows massacre was a series of attacks on the
> Baker�Fancher emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows in southern
> Utah. The attacks culminated on September 11, 1857, with the mass
> slaughter of the emigrant party by the Iron County district of the
> Utah Territorial Militia and some local Native Americans.
>
> The wagon train�composed almost entirely of families from Arkansas�was
> bound for California on a route that passed through the Utah Territory
> during a turbulent period later known as the Utah War. After arriving
> in Salt Lake City, the Baker�Fancher party made their way south,
> eventually stopping to rest at Mountain Meadows. While the emigrants
> were camped at the meadow, nearby militia leaders, including Isaac C.
> Haight and John D. Lee, made plans to attack the wagon train.
>
> The militia, officially called the Nauvoo Legion, was composed of
> Utah's Mormon settlers (members of The Church of Jesus Christ of
> Latter-day Saints or LDS Church). Intending to give the appearance of
> Native American aggression, their plan was to arm some Southern Paiute
> Native Americans and persuade them to join with a larger party of
> their own militiamen�disguised as Native Americans�in an attack.
>
> During the initial assault on the wagon train, the emigrants fought
> back and a five-day siege ensued. Eventually fear spread among the
> militia's leaders that some emigrants had caught sight of white men,
> and had probably discovered who their attackers really were.
>
> This resulted in an order by militia commander William H. Dame for the
> emigrants' annihilation. Running low on water and provisions, the
> emigrants allowed a party of militiamen to enter their camp, who
> assured them of their safety and escorted them out of their hasty
> fortification. After walking a distance from the camp, the militiamen,
> with the help of auxiliary forces hiding nearby, attacked the
> emigrants.
>
> Intending to leave no witnesses of complicity by Mormons in the
> attacks, and to prevent reprisals that would further complicate the
> Utah War, the perpetrators killed all the adults and older children
> (totaling about 120 men, women, and children). Seventeen children, all
> younger than seven, were spared.
>
> Following the massacre the perpetrators hastily buried the victims,
> leaving their bodies vulnerable to wild animals and the climate. Local
> families took in the surviving children, and many of the victims'
> possessions were auctioned off.
>
> Investigations, temporarily interrupted by the American Civil War,
> resulted in nine indictments during 1874. Of the men indicted, only
> John D. Lee was tried in a court of law. After two trials in the Utah
> Territory, Lee was convicted by a jury and executed.
>
> Today historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors
> including both war hysteria and strident Mormon teachings. Scholars
> still debate whether senior Mormon leadership, including Brigham
> Young, directly instigated the massacre or if responsibility lies with
> the local leaders of southern Utah.
>
> the LDS archives, as quoted in Quinn 1997, p. 247 (A Mormon who
> listened to a sermon by Young in 1849 recorded that Young said "if any
> one was catched stealing to shoot them dead on the spot and they
> should not be hurt for it.");
>
> Young 1856b, p. 247 (stating that a man would be justified in putting

> a javelin through his plural wife caught in the act of adultery, but
> anyone intending to "execute judgment�has got to have clean hands and

> a pure heart,�else they had better let the matter alone");
>
> Young 1857, p. 219 ("[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and

> if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
> earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>

> I will tell you how it could be done, we could take the same law they
> have taken, viz., mobocracy, and if any miserable scounderels come
> here, cut their throats. (All the people said, Amen)."); Quinn 1997
>
> Mormons in Cedar City were taught that members should ignore dead
> bodies and go about their business. See Letter from Mary L. Campbell
> to Andrew Jenson

Yeah, and? Does that compare to Democrat Andrew Jackson's treatment of
the Cherokees? How many of them died on the Trail of Tears.


Leftards, batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.


snicker

[Gunner]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:15:34 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
<klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Then we have the other Verdun...where nearly a million men died in
less than a year, chopped or choked to death

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7712419.stm

http://www.wereldoorlog1418.nl/battleverdun/getuigen.htm




Btw...some original color photographs of the French at Verdun.
http://www.greatwardifferent.com/Great_War/Verdun_Color/Verdun_Color_00.htm

Check em out...color puts a far different face on the times.


--
Adde cruorem stultitiae, atque ignem gladio scrutare:
To your folly add bloodshed, and stir the fire with the sword (Horace)

[Too_Many_Tools]

On Oct 7, 11:02 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
> On 10/7/2012 5:39 PM, Hawke wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> > On 10/7/2012 3:02 PM, George Plimpton wrote:
> >> Here's a stupid fucking credulous Southern Baptist fuckwit doing his
> >> best to get Obama re-elected:
>
> >> "U.S. Rep. Paul Broun: Evolution a lie 'from the pit of hell'"
>
> >> By Matt Pearce
> >> October 7, 2012, 1:57 p.m.
>
> >> Evolution, embryology and the Big Bang theory are major underpinnings of
> >> mainstream science. And Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun, a physician
> >> who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, says they
> >> are lies straight from the pit of hell.
>
> >> Broun, who is unopposed for reelection in November, made the comments in
> >> a videotaped Sept. 27 speech at a sportsman's banquet at Liberty Baptist
> >> Church in Hartwell, Ga., according to the Associated Press.
>
> >> Here are his remarks:
>
> >> God s word is true. I ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was
> >> taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory, all that is lies
> >> straight from the pit of hell. It s lies to try to keep me and all the
> >> folks who are taught that from understanding that they need a savior.
> >> There s a lot of scientific data that I found out as a scientist that
> >> actually show that this is really a young Earth. I believe that the
> >> Earth is about 9,000 years old. I believe that [remaining christstain
> >> bullshit snipped]
>

> >>http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-paul-broun-evol...

>
> >> If the fucking Republicans could stick to tax policy, getting rid of
> >> business-destroying regulation, and being tough on national security,
> >> they could easily dislodge Obama.  When they start doing this kind of
> >> shit, they tell the American electorate they are not fit to govern.
>

> > No kidding they aren't fit to govern.
>
> Only because of this.  If this religious crap weren't part of the party,
> they would be the natural governing party.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Only because....shit stinks?

Laugh..laugh..laugh...

TMT

[George Plimpton]

Only because swing voters in the center won't go for that religious
dogma. Throw that out, and the Republicans rule.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 17:49:45 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

>It's the general principle of the theology of "cutting throats " not
>the specific instance in question.

LOL Ah, it's general principles. I see. And these "general principles
are enumerated where?"

Are they similar to the general principles of the Old Testament?

>>>"a man would be justified in putting a javelin through his plural wife
>>>caught in the act of adultery, but anyone intending to "execute
>>>judgment…has got to have clean hands and a pure heart,…else they had
>>>better let the matter alone"
>>
>>How many plural wife spearings have there been in the last, oh, say,
>>twenty years?
>

>Who knows?

Well you obviously have no fucking clue.

>Violence against women is endemic in Utah

>http://www.lifeafter.org/mormonsuicide.asp
>
>According to the Utah Domestic Violence Council, “in 2001, the
>national homicide rate among female victims murdered by males in
>single victim/single perpetrator incidents in the United States was
>1.4 per 100,000. Utah’s rate was 23% higher than the national rate.

How many were Mormons?

>I compared Salt Lake City with four other metropolitan cities in the
>nation and their percentages of forcible rape. They are: Los
>Angeles, Seattle, New York City and Miami. The rates are based on a
>population per 100,000.

And you got these figures where? It's customary to provide a cite.


>Los Angeles: 36.9
>
>Miami: 25.3
>
>New York: 20.9
>
>Seattle 26.2
>
>Salt Lake City: 58.4
>
> No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most ‘holy’
>lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then
>why are the statistics showing otherwise?

Looks like it is a misprint. SLC isn't listed here
http://galleries.forbes.com/gallery/The_Most_Dangerous_U.S._Cities_For_Women#image=0dJs5kD5RJei0&view=filmstrip

Nor here
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-6

So are you intentionally lying, or just so consumed by your hate and
fear of Mormons that you'll believe anything anyone tells you?


Yet you can't show ANY of the rapists were Mormon. Not a single one.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Meanwhile.....

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
Lifetime Prevalence of Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator by State of
Residence

Utah- Average

>>>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>>
>>This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
>>Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
>

>Nevertheless it's what the cult was founded on

ROFLMAO

No worse than some of the stuff in the Old Testament.

Moving on..........

>>Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
>>Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
>>Mormons.
>

>Actually their corporate activities should be of more concern given
>they feel poised to take over the world and usher in their prophesies
>with a Mormon US President.

WHAT prophesies?

Give me details.

> If the LDS Church were a U.S. corporation, by revenues it
>would rank around the midpoint number 243 on the Fortune 500 list.
>(Ibid. p. 127)

Good for them. They have their shit together.

[deep]

On Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:44:42 -0700, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not>

And the middle class and poor would suffer while the Republicans to
over total control.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lho278phijuf8kic1...@4ax.com...

>>Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>

>>Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today
>

> No you didn't.

Actually, he was talking to a baggie
Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.

[Oglethorpe]

"Fair Play" <us...@example.com> wrote in message
news:8n54785s5m302ju4b...@4ax.com...

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 16:32:24 -0700 (PDT), Too_Many_Tools
> <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> "Non Christian" puts it mildly
>

Mormons are Christians.

[Tom Gardner]

Was the baggie full of pot?

[pyotr filipivich]

"Oglethorpe" <anti...@go.com> on Mon, 8 Oct 2012 13:32:44 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:

More Christian than the Democrat Party, but ... that still isn't
saying much.

I'm going to leave the theologizing out of this.

tschus
pyotr

>
--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.

[pyotr filipivich]

Tom Gardner <Mars@Tacks> on Mon, 08 Oct 2012 19:39:59 -0400 typed in
misc.survivalism the following:

>On 10/8/2012 10:11 AM, SaPeIsMa wrote:

>> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_man...@yahoo.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :
>>>> Had an interesting conversaion with a strict conservative today
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>
>> Actually, he was talking to a baggie
>> Funny thing, the actually baggie answered back.
>>
>Was the baggie full of pot?

That's what he thought.

Actually he was sold a baggie containing the Sacred Medicinal Herb
of the Native Americans. He thought it was pot.


tschus
pyotr

Had a friend who took advantage of her Native American genes, to sell
the Sacred Medicinal Herb of the Native Americans to frat boys. It
wasn't their job to educate the frat boys how the Natives considered
Tobacco to be the Sacred Herb.

[Mike Lovell]

On 10/6/2012 7:52 PM, Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> Well I couldn't deny his opinion since Mitt Romney has not said that
> he wouldn't make Mormonism the required religion for Americans.

It is vastly more likely that Obama will try to force all Americans to
convert to his Muslim faith if he's re-elected.

[SaPeIsMa]

"Gunner" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:j6e4789ijvandltgl...@4ax.com...

And then ther were the more recent killings by Socialists (pushing
atheism/agnosticism) of various shades, in the Soviet, China, Cambodia Cuba,
etc., which totaled over 140,000,000 victims in less than a century

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

>Fair Play <us...@example.com> wrote in talk.politics.guns :

>On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 05:13:44 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

>and neither do you

I'm guessing none.

>>>Los Angeles: 36.9
>>>
>>>Miami: 25.3
>>>
>>>New York: 20.9
>>>
>>>Seattle 26.2
>>>
>>>Salt Lake City: 58.4
>>>
>>> No folks, 58.4% is not a misprint! If living in the most ‘holy’
>>>lands of Salt Lake Valley means being under mighty hand of God, then
>>>why are the statistics showing otherwise?
>>
>>Looks like it is a misprint. SLC isn't listed here
>>http://galleries.forbes.com/gallery/The_Most_Dangerous_U.S._Cities_For_Women#image=0dJs5kD5RJei0&view=filmstrip
>
>

[crickets.wav]
>
>
>>Nor here
>>http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-6
>
>
[crickets.wav]

>
>
>>So are you intentionally lying, or just so consumed by your hate and
>>fear of Mormons that you'll believe anything anyone tells you?
>>
>>
>>Yet you can't show ANY of the rapists were Mormon. Not a single one.
>
>

[crickets.wav]

>
>
>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>
>>Meanwhile.....
>>
>>http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf
>>Lifetime Prevalence of Sexual Violence by Any Perpetrator by State of
>>Residence
>>
>>Utah- Average
>>
>>>>>"[I]f [your neighbor] needs help, help him; and
>>>>>if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the
>>>>>earth in order that he may be saved, spill it");
>>>>
>>>>This doctrine is no longer accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of
>>>>Latter-day Saints (LDS Church).
>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_atonement
>>>
>>>Nevertheless it's what the cult was founded on
>>
>>ROFLMAO
>>
>>No worse than some of the stuff in the Old Testament.
>
>

[crickets.wav]

>
>
>>Moving on..........
>>
>>
>>>>Hey, if you want to REALLY look like an idiot by picking on the
>>>>Mormons, ask Deep Dudu. He's full of all KINDS of lies about the
>>>>Mormons.
>>>
>>>Actually their corporate activities should be of more concern given
>>>they feel poised to take over the world and usher in their prophesies
>>>with a Mormon US President.
>>
>>WHAT prophesies?
>
>

[crickets.wav]

[SaPeIsMa]

"Tom Gardner" <Mars@Tacks> wrote in message
news:kq6dndSq7sPM-e7N...@giganews.com...

Probably "choom"..