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rande...@rogers.com

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Jun 5, 2003, 5:44:15 PM6/5/03
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What a WORTHLESS effort! Those "toys" provide next to zero
power from the consumption of city's standpoint. But enviro-nuts
will pursue them the way they did the horrifically uneconomical
"solar cells" for rooftops. Try amortizing the cost of one of those
windmills in it's lifetime with the power it provides. It is a big
joke.
-Rich

From the New York Times:

June 5, 2003
Windmills Sow Dissent for Environmentalists
By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE


HOMAS, W.Va. — Vincent Collins, a lawyer from nearby Morgantown, has
been vacationing in this scenic area for 35 years. A few years ago, he
bought a 1.2-acre lot near here and planned to build a house on it.
But once he saw the windmills, and learned of plans for more, he
scrapped that dream.

Soaring above the treetops are 44 sleek white steel cylinders, 228
feet high. Churning on each tower are three glinting fiberglass
blades, 115 feet long. Like quills on a porcupine, they spike the
emerald spine of Backbone Mountain for six miles along the Allegheny
Front.

They have also generated huge turbulence within the environmental
movement. Proponents of wind farms view those who oppose them as
heretics, obstructing the promise of clean renewable energy, while
opponents decry them as producing insufficient power to warrant their
blight on the landscape.

For now, the wind farm here is the largest east of the Mississippi,
but the wind-energy industry, long a staple of the California
landscape, is blowing eastward. Unobstructed winds, favorable
economics and the absence of local zoning laws are attracting
developers, and soon more than 400 turbines could be sprouting across
40 square miles of West Virginia's most scenic mountaintops.

"I can't believe how large and hideous they are," Mr. Collins said.
"When you hear the word `windmill,' you think Holland and Don Quixote.
That's wrong. They look like alien monsters coming out of the ground."

The growing industry has caused a kind of identity crisis among people
who think of themselves as pro-environment, forcing them to choose
between the promise of clean, endlessly renewable energy and the
perils of imposing giant man-made structures on nature.

To some environmentalists, the opposition to wind power from within
their ranks not only stifles the growth of a new source of energy but
also calls into question the integrity of the environmental movement
itself.

Charles Komanoff, a longtime economic consultant to environmental
groups, said the opposition by "well-heeled environmentalists," stoked
the preconception that they were more concerned about their own
backyards than about the common good.

"They want to have it all and they won't brook any trade-off,
especially a trade-off that sacrifices their own comfort," said Mr.
Komanoff, who is based in New York.

At the same time, the wind farm developers appear to have the
environmental high ground.

"We believe in clean energy," said Steve Stingel, a spokesman for
Florida Power and Light, which bought the rights to the wind farm here
and then built it. The company is the largest generator of wind power
in the United States, with 30 wind farms in 10 states.

Wind now accounts for less than 1 percent of all electricity produced
in the United States. But the American Wind Energy Association, the
industry's trade group, predicts it will grow to 6 percent by 2020.

The case for wind has been fortified in recent years by advances in
technology that make it more efficient and a federal tax credit that
makes its financing more feasible.

But the reality for people like Mr. Collins is something else.
Windmill farms must be large to be financially viable. Critics worry
that beyond the blemish on the natural landscape, these
industrial-sized towers can chop up migratory birds. One farm in
California was dubbed the "condor Cuisinart," and the ornithologist
monitoring the wind farm here just reported that at least two dozen
song birds winging their way north had been killed.

Another complaint is that wind farms can do little to reduce overall
dependence on fossil fuels, because of the unreliability of constant
wind and the inability to store its power.

"They put out such a minuscule amount of electricity," Mr. Collins
said. "It's nuts."

Similar complaints, coming from prominent environmentalists like
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., have stalled installation of the nation's first
off-shore wind farm, proposed for the waters of Nantucket Sound off
Cape Cod. And they have forced the Long Island Power Authority to
scrap its plan for wind turbines off the eastern tip of Long Island.
But the utility has now proposed putting up to 50 turbines, each 488
feet high, off Long Island's south shore between Fire Island and Jones
Beach, two immensely popular summer resort areas.

Mr. Kennedy, for one, said he found "zero" irony in the fact that he
had devoted himself to environmental advocacy and yet opposed the wind
project on Cape Cod, his Kennedy grandparents' summer home.

"There are appropriate places for everything," he said in a telephone
interview. "You would not want a wind farm in Yosemite, and you
wouldn't want one in Central Park."

Mr. Kennedy added: "I love wind energy, but let's develop some rules
about how you divide up the commons. You're essentially giving the
commons over to a profit-making enterprise."

It is not only homeowners with nice views who object to wind farms,
but business owners as well. Indeed, it was Wayne Kurker, owner of the
Hyannis Marina, who first notified Mr. Kennedy about the proposed
project in Nantucket Sound.

"I didn't like the idea that what we consider our Grand Canyon was all
of a sudden going to be industrialized," Mr. Kurker said of the wind
farm, which would consist of 130 turbines over 24 square miles.

Mr. Kurker founded the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound and has
been joined by scores of local politicians, chambers of commerce
worried about the effect on tourism, and celebrities like Walter
Cronkite in opposition to the project.

The main reason wind is taking off now is the huge financial incentive
provided by government subsidies. While critics argue that these
subsidies are only making developers rich, supporters say they are
peanuts compared with subsidies for fossil fuels and they provide
much-needed revenue to ailing rural economies while also delivering
clean energy.

The main subsidy is the federal tax credit, which is set to expire at
the end of the year but is likely to be renewed by Congress. The
credit allows windmill companies to deduct 1.8 cents from their tax
liability for every kilowatt hour they produce for 10 years. The
savings are huge.

For example, Jerome Niessen, president of NedPower, which has received
permission from the West Virginia Public Service Commission for a
200-turbine wind farm near here in Grant County, said he expected to
generate 800 million kilowatt hours per year, for a tax savings of $16
million a year for 10 years, or $160 million — on a wind farm that
will cost $300 million to build.

NedPower is to pay $500,000 in local taxes, making it the
fifth-largest taxpayer in the county. (That is far less, however, than
the $3 million the company would have paid just two years ago, before
wind energy lobbyists persuaded the government to tax towers and
turbines at a lower rate.) The company has also developed a
public-private partnership with two local schools, which will earn
royalties from the wind farm of about $75,000 a year.

The company will pay local landowners $2,000 to $4,000 an acre to
lease the necessary 8,000 acres for the towers. And putting up the
towers, which will rise 330 feet high and extend across 10 to 12 miles
of mountain ridges, will provide 200 construction jobs for a year and
15 permanent technician jobs.

"Fifteen jobs might not sound like much," Mr. Niessen said. "But if
one coal mine after another has closed and if another
chicken-processing plant has closed, 15 jobs is a lot."


Pope Dilbert

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Jun 6, 2003, 1:31:54 AM6/6/03
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<rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> What a WORTHLESS effort! Those "toys" provide next to zero
> power from the consumption of city's standpoint. But enviro-nuts
> will pursue them the way they did the horrifically uneconomical
> "solar cells" for rooftops. Try amortizing the cost of one of those
> windmills in it's lifetime with the power it provides. It is a big
> joke.
> -Rich

Typical anti-environment moronic babble.

You're confusing environmentalists with the industries that benefit
financially from "environment friendly" face masks.

The main reason roof top solar cells did not make it big was because the
government gave milllions and millions to enegry companies who had no
interest in creating something that would make homes independent from those
same companies. As with these eyesores, it is still large energy companies
that are calling the shots, and getting the benefits. The conseumer, and the
environment, still lose ... and environmentalists are NOT to blame!


Graham Payne

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Jun 6, 2003, 4:47:45 PM6/6/03
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YAY Another ignorant oil slut. How original.

Marching in lockstep with the Halliburton Oil Pimp. God forbid we should
ever have indepenence from Shrubbies war powered oil machine.

Another member of the Bush-borg.

-gp


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Pope Dilbert

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Jun 6, 2003, 5:28:18 PM6/6/03
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"Graham Payne" <gpa...@NeOlSiP.nAeMt> wrote in message
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> YAY Another ignorant oil slut. How original.
>
> Marching in lockstep with the Halliburton Oil Pimp. God forbid we should
> ever have indepenence from Shrubbies war powered oil machine.
>
> Another member of the Bush-borg.
>
> -gp


You've been sniffing way too much of your own methane.
I never said anything that indicates I support an anti-environment position.

Perhaps you should get someone to explain the posts for you, before you
stick your foot in your mouth again!

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