IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM
Discourser
The war in Vietnam, much like Iraq, no one had a clear idea what we are
doing.
When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to the
occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a mistake in
getting us into the war in the first place.
Jim Wilson
"Discourser" <disco...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM
>
> The war in Vietnam, much like Iraq, no one had a clear idea what we are
> doing.
Actually, no, the War in Vietnam was very dissimilar to the war in Iraq,
which is but one battleground of a larger war, the War on Terror. There are
only two kinds of people pushing this idea of Iraq as another Vietnam. One
are war protesters from the Vietnam era who haven't changed a single thing
they believe or disbelieve since 1970. The other are Generation X
youngsters who don't understand the first thing about Vietnam because they
were too young when it was over to know that it had even been going on. If
you want to place your trust in the thinking of those two groups, then you
go right ahead. Just don't expect reasonable, seasoned adults to join you
in your folly.
> When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to the
> occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a mistake in
> getting us into the war in the first place.
He was referring to the policy of taking over the country in the shortest
period of time while allowing most of the infrastructure to remain standing
as the army of Saddam simply doffed their uniforms and melted back into the
populace to fight a guerilla war against coalition forces. Had the country
been half-leveled and Saddam's army completely destroyed, we wouldn't be
having so many problems with Iraq today.
skye
> "Discourser" <disco...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:UHWXc.38279$4o.2534@fed1read01...
> > IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM
> >
> > The war in Vietnam, much like Iraq, no one had a clear idea what we are
> > doing.
>
> Actually, no, the War in Vietnam was very dissimilar to the war in Iraq,
> which is but one battleground of a larger war, the War on Terror. There are
> only two kinds of people pushing this idea of Iraq as another Vietnam. One
> are war protesters from the Vietnam era who haven't changed a single thing
> they believe or disbelieve since 1970. The other are Generation X
> youngsters who don't understand the first thing about Vietnam because they
> were too young when it was over to know that it had even been going on. If
> you want to place your trust in the thinking of those two groups, then you
> go right ahead. Just don't expect reasonable, seasoned adults to join you
> in your folly.
Jeez, great example of absolutely clueless, distorted thinking; It's
because of deluded dolts like you that this nation is facing the
greatest crisis of neo-fascist subversion of democracy, endemic
corruption, malfeasance, systemic fraud and abuse of authority
constituting the most serious war crimes and crimes against peace
through the incredibly hypocritical, duplicious and mismanaged 'war on
terror'; Top Bush Cabinet officials and leading members of the US
Security State Intelligence services have been intimately involved in
large-scale diversion of funds (ie., three trillion dollars of
unaccountable Pentagon expenses!), money-laundering tied to intricate
equity-skimming frauds, and arms-and-drug smuggling, and unprecedented
volume of insider-deals, market manipulation, and associated
corruption and financial fraud -- which is directly tied with the
White House/Pentagon's strategy to perpetuate the current status-quo
and power-elite's hold on money-and-wealth, deflecting and
discrediting all critical-debate and public discussion (not only
coercing mass-media to play-along by promoting the 'official'version
of reality, avoiding reportage that is embarrassing to or that
contradicts the White House/neocon party-line, but by demonizing
dissent --all the while paying lip-service to 'free speech') on
central issues of the illegal and criminal war, the floundering
economy, unfunded social programs, erosion of public trust and
well-being, massive governmental and corporate/business
lack-of-accountability, etc., through disinfo/propagandizing
(hammering out The Big Lie ad nauseum) of a self-righteous 'Crusade'
aka Perpetual War -- in the 'best' tradition of Orwellian doublethink.
It's self-absorbed dupes like you who make the whole fraud possible by
meekly accepting the pre-digested nonsense cranked-out for public
consumption by legions of mass-media spin-doctors, PR experts, policy
engineers, and other manufacturers of public opinion, precisely to
tell the sheeple what to believe -- who are cognitively and
psychologically incapable of any kind of determined critical thinking
for themselves, and who don't have a clue when it comes to objectively
analyzing the news or current events;
Even a mental light-weight should be able to see-through the
sham-autonomy and US-business self-serving laws Bremer et al.
authorized before the facade of the US 'returning' Iraq's sovereignty
(headed by a US hand-picked dictator!), rules and laws intended to
facilitate the wholescale domination-by-proxy of Iraq and theft of
Iraqi equity and resources by the US-and-its-selected-cronies/allies,
leaving it's people even more impoverished and destitute -- at direct
odds to the White House/State Dept. BS about 'restoring' and
rebuilding Iraq's political and economic infrastructure; No amount of
spin can change the facts of a completely illegal war based on the
most spurious and decietful of lies and distortions, and policy from
the very top that is responsible for massive civilian deaths and
widespread suffering, systemic abuse and mistreatment and torture that
is in direct contravention to well-established International laws
including the Geneva and Nuremburg conventions re: acceptable
treatment of prisoners, intentional/deliberate/careless infliction of
harm on civilians by indiscriminate use of firepower and/or banned
weapons and weapons of indiscriminate effect (ie., Depleted Uranium,
mines, napalm-type weapons, cluster-munitions, bomblets, fuel-air
bombs), and targetting/destruction of civilian-critical infrastructure
(which the US has done consistently and persistently in many/most of
its conflicts during the last 40-50 years, but most specifically
during the first Gulf War, with Pentagon studies predicting massive
water-borne epidemics resulting from the wholescale bombing of
water-treatment and electric-generation plants)-- as well as the
12-year policy of economic sanctions that were deliberately used to
prevent the maintenance and repair of critical civil infrastructure,
resulting in 1 - 2 million deaths, half children under 5; Your willful
ignorance/denial of these facts constituting war crimes is a measure
of your witless support for and at the very least circumstantial
complicity in endorsing the policies leading to these despicable acts.
By your affected prattle, you demonstrate a functional ignorance of
history and contemporary events, indicating you aquire the
predominantly one-sided information you base your beliefs and opinions
on from (an) extremely biased, pro-White House source(s): ie.,
Newsmax, FOX (faux) news, Washington Post, WSJ, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn
Hannity, David Corn, and other semi-official right-wing/neocon disinfo
channels;
Debating facts with you is like arguing with a toad;
You're too far-gone for me to even try;
Starman
>
>
> > When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to the
> > occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a mistake in
> > getting us into the war in the first place.
>
> He was referring to the policy of taking over the country in the shortest
> period of time while allowing most of the infrastructure to remain standing
> as the army of Saddam simply doffed their uniforms and melted back into the
> populace to fight a guerilla war against coalition forces. Had the country
> been half-leveled and Saddam's army completely destroyed, we wouldn't be
> having so many problems with Iraq today.
Oh Bullshit; The whole project is a major illegal and immoral balls-up
miscalculation, which the White House/Pentagon 'sold' to Congress and
the American public with lies, distortions, and by fraud; If Rule of
Law meant anything today, key members of the RNC (and their so-called
'Democratic' cronies) would be facing impeachment, recalls, and
criminal prosecution -- many for their part in sanctioning and hiding
the evidence of shameless war-profiteering, graft, and war-crimes.
Again-- Logic and truth is just wasted on you;
****
The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love
stop at the border? ~ Pablo Casals
I destroy my enemies when I make them my friends. ~ Abraham Lincoln
If you want to make peace with your enemy, you have to work with your
enemy. Then he becomes your partner. ~ Nelson Mandela
Jive-Ass Johnny
"skye" <westx...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Oh Bullshit; The whole project is a major illegal and immoral balls-up
> miscalculation, which the White House/Pentagon 'sold' to Congress and
> the American public with lies, distortions, and by fraud;
Oddly, demmies such as Kerry have NEVER been able to identify even ONE "lie"
or "distortion" or "fraud" from this White House/Pentagon.
Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did when they
voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this very
day!
So you and John Kerry are totally f*cked!
Vietnam is turning out to be Kerry's Vietnam. The icing on the cake for us
GOP-type guys is that it was KERRY who decided to make Vietnam the very
centerpiece of his presidential campaign!! What a hoot!!!!
Hanoi Johnny wanted to fight the Vietnam War all over again, and so now that
he is, he's getting his socialist, anti-American ass kicked!!!
qwerty
"Jive-Ass Johnny" <KerryT...@JohnKerry.com> wrote in message
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>
> Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did when
they
> voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this very
> day!
Hmmm, was it Kerry who made the decision to go to War? No, that was Bush's
decision.
Here's what Kerry said at the time he voted to give Bush the authority to
use force as an OPTIONAL , IF NECESSARY, with UN Security Council approval,
only if an IMMINENT threat is real and as a LAST RESORT:
"Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason
and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we
cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in
joint concert with our allies. "
"In giving the President this authority, I expect him to fulfill the
commitments he has made to the American people in recent days - to work with
the United Nations Security Council to adopt a new resolution setting out
tough and immediate inspection requirements, and to act with our allies at
our side if we have to disarm Saddam Hussein by force. If he fails to do so,
I will be among the first to speak out. "
"If we do wind up going to war with Iraq, it is imperative that we do so
with others in the international community, unless there is a showing of a
grave, imminent - and I emphasize "imminent" - threat to this country which
requires the President to respond in a way that protects our immediate
national security needs. "
"Let there be no doubt or confusion about where we stand on this. I will
support a multilateral effort to disarm him by force, if we ever exhaust
those other options, as the President has promised, but I will not support a
unilateral U.S. war against Iraq unless that threat is imminent and the
multilateral effort has not proven possible under any circumstances. "
"In voting to grant the President the authority, I am not giving him carte
blanche to run roughshod over every country that poses or may pose some kind
of potential threat to the United States. Every nation has the right to act
preemptively, if it faces an imminent and grave threat, for its self-defense
under the standards of law. The threat we face today with Iraq does not meet
that test yet. I emphasize "yet." Yes, it is grave because of the deadliness
of Saddam Hussein's arsenal and the very high probability that he might use
these weapons one day if not disarmed. But it is not imminent, and no one in
the CIA, no intelligence briefing we have had suggests it is imminent. None
of our intelligence reports suggest that he is about to launch an attack. "
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
Captain Compassion
wrote:
Hopefully Bush will stay the course and get it right.
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North Viet Nam prison camps took torture to avoid saying." -- Paul
Galanti POW Jan. 1966 - Feb. 1973
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Liar Kerry
"qwerty" <nos...@all.noway.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jive-Ass Johnny" <KerryT...@JohnKerry.com> wrote in message
> news:V24Yc.3137$6o3....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
>
> > Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did when
> they
> > voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this
very
> > day!
>
> Hmmm, was it Kerry who made the decision to go to War?
Yes. He was the one. The Senate issues declarations of war, as you may
know. Not the President.
Kerry voted to authorize the war. He made the decision. Furthermore, he
says he still stands by that decision.
But that's an entirely separate issue from Kerry's decision (some say
foolish) to make his 4 months in Vietnam the centerpiece of his presidential
campaign. Thus Vietnam has now become Kerry's Vietnam.
He can't escape it. And frankly, I think his political career is doomed at
this point. It's no longer just the presidential race that he is going to
lose. He's ALREADY lost what little respect he may have had. But not only
is he going to lose the presidential race, he's probably going to totally
destroy ANY political future he may have once had.
Sid9
> On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 00:42:54 -0700, "Discourser" <disco...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>> IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM
>>
>> The war in Vietnam, much like Iraq, no one had a clear idea what we
>> are doing.
>>
>> When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to
>> the occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a
>> mistake in getting us into the war in the first place.
>>
> Hopefully Bush will stay the course and get it right.
>
Bush didn't "miscalculate"
Bush knew exactly what he wanted to do.
Bush simply has poor judgment.
Poor judgment such that he's NOT QUALIFIED to be president
qwerty
"Liar Kerry" <Kerry?NoThankYou!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote in message
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>
> "qwerty" <nos...@all.noway.com> wrote in message
> news:0r5Yc.9079$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> >
> > "Jive-Ass Johnny" <KerryT...@JohnKerry.com> wrote in message
> > news:V24Yc.3137$6o3....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > >
> >
> > > Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did
when
> > they
> > > voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this
> very
> > > day!
> >
> > Hmmm, was it Kerry who made the decision to go to War?
>
>
> Yes. He was the one. The Senate issues declarations of war, as you may
> know. Not the President.
What declaration of War?
> Kerry voted to authorize the war. He made the decision. Furthermore, he
> says he still stands by that decision.
Sorry, but Kerry did NOT order Bush to go to War. Bush made that decision.
> But that's an entirely separate issue from Kerry's decision (some say
> foolish) to make his 4 months in Vietnam the centerpiece of his
presidential
> campaign. Thus Vietnam has now become Kerry's Vietnam.
Ah, and where was Bush when Kerry was serving in Vietnam?
> He can't escape it.
Why would he? Even Bush says his Vietnam service is "Honorable" and one of
which Kerry should be proud.
> And frankly, I think his political career is doomed at
> this point.
You're talking about Bush, right?
> It's no longer just the presidential race that he is going to
> lose. He's ALREADY lost what little respect he may have had.
Bush again, right?
> But not only
> is he going to lose the presidential race, he's probably going to totally
> destroy ANY political future he may have once had.
You're predicting that Kerry's political career is over? LOL!
ausstu
> news:UHWXc.38279$4o.2534@fed1read01...
> > IRAQ IS BUSH'S VIETNAM
> >
> > The war in Vietnam, much like Iraq, no one had a clear idea what we are
> > doing.
>
> Actually, no, the War in Vietnam was very dissimilar to the war in Iraq,
> which is but one battleground of a larger war, the War on Terror. There are
> only two kinds of people pushing this idea of Iraq as another Vietnam. One
> are war protesters from the Vietnam era who haven't changed a single thing
> they believe or disbelieve since 1970. The other are Generation X
> youngsters who don't understand the first thing about Vietnam because they
> were too young when it was over to know that it had even been going on. If
> you want to place your trust in the thinking of those two groups, then you
> go right ahead. Just don't expect reasonable, seasoned adults to join you
> in your folly.
No, it is those of us who remember the Vietnam folly that understand
Iraq is no different. If you were truly an adult during Vietnam you
would have remembered that it was eventually proven to be an
unecessary war where the people of Vietnam did not want American
troops there and fought a long an protracted guerrilla war until
American opinion swayed against the war.
Just like Iraq the American people were lied to about why we went to
war in Vietnam. The war divided the country. Like Vietnam Iraq is
not going to get any better, get over it the longer the war in Iraq
goes on and the more body bags come back, American's will tire of the
Iraq war and the Neo Cons who got them into this mess.
>
>
> > When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to the
> > occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a mistake in
> > getting us into the war in the first place.
>
> He was referring to the policy of taking over the country in the shortest
> period of time while allowing most of the infrastructure to remain standing
> as the army of Saddam simply doffed their uniforms and melted back into the
> populace to fight a guerilla war against coalition forces. Had the country
> been half-leveled and Saddam's army completely destroyed, we wouldn't be
> having so many problems with Iraq today.
Yeah right, what your saying we should have nuked em.
Liar Johnny
>
> "Liar Kerry" <Kerry?NoThankYou!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "qwerty" <nos...@all.noway.com> wrote in message
> > news:0r5Yc.9079$QJ3....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> > >
> > > "Jive-Ass Johnny" <KerryT...@JohnKerry.com> wrote in message
> > > news:V24Yc.3137$6o3....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did
> when
> > > they
> > > > voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this
> > very
> > > > day!
> > >
> > > Hmmm, was it Kerry who made the decision to go to War?
> >
> >
> > Yes. He was the one. The Senate issues declarations of war, as you
may
> > know. Not the President.
>
> What declaration of War?
Stop playing stupid, qwerty. Demmie idiots like you are wasting our time.
qwerty
"Liar Johnny" <NoKerryNoWay!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote in message
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Stop claiming something that doesn't exist! There was NO DECLARATION OF WAR
against Iraq.
Liar Johnny
Au contraire, Kerry's rapid plunge in the polls DOES exist, queery!
Bush Kerry
August 10 46 49
August 18 46 48
August 23 46 47
August 27 46 46
August 28 47 46
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm
qwerty
"Liar Johnny" <NoKerryNoWay!@KeepAmericaStrong.com> wrote in message
Nice try at diverting attention from your claim of an official Declaration
of War by Congress.
Jim Wilson
> > Actually, no, the War in Vietnam was very dissimilar to the war in Iraq,
> > which is but one battleground of a larger war, the War on Terror. There
are
> > only two kinds of people pushing this idea of Iraq as another Vietnam.
One
> > are war protesters from the Vietnam era who haven't changed a single
thing
> > they believe or disbelieve since 1970. The other are Generation X
> > youngsters who don't understand the first thing about Vietnam because
they
> > were too young when it was over to know that it had even been going on.
If
> > you want to place your trust in the thinking of those two groups, then
you
> > go right ahead. Just don't expect reasonable, seasoned adults to join
you
> > in your folly.
>
> Jeez, great example of absolutely clueless, distorted thinking;
Ha ha, so says some born yesterday little mama's boy or some silly little
girl who thinks of herself as some sort of intellectual? What you lack,
besides a disciplined mind, is EXPERIENCE. That you have no respect for
your elders speaks volumes about what a misguided little brat you must be.
It's
> because of deluded dolts like you
that this nation is facing the
> greatest crisis of neo-fascist subversion of democracy, endemic
> corruption, malfeasance, systemic fraud and abuse of authority
> constituting the most serious war crimes and crimes against peace
> through the incredibly hypocritical, duplicious and mismanaged 'war on
> terror';
Try focusing on the most important matters to discuss if you don't want to
vomit out nonsense.
> It's self-absorbed dupes like you who make the whole fraud possible by
> meekly accepting the pre-digested nonsense cranked-out for public
> consumption by legions of mass-media spin-doctors, PR experts, policy
> engineers, and other manufacturers of public opinion, precisely to
> tell the sheeple what to believe -- who are cognitively and
> psychologically incapable of any kind of determined critical thinking
> for themselves,
Dear, don't quit your day job. You are a terrible writer and your thinking
is way subpar, at best.
and who don't have a clue when it comes to objectively
> analyzing the news or current events;
>
> Even a mental light-weight should be able to see-through the
> sham-autonomy
I guess that's why you "see through it," being such a mental lightweight by
your own admission.
The rest of your drug-induced nonsense is thankfully deleted. This may be a
fucked-up country, but it's fucked-up just as much by your presence as by
the presence of anyone else. You've got a good deal of work to do on your
own act before you become half-qualified to vote, let alone to direct
society more to your liking.
Jim Wilson
"ausstu" <aus...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
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> No, it is those of us who remember the Vietnam folly that understand
> Iraq is no different. If you were truly an adult during Vietnam you
> would have remembered that it was eventually proven to be an
> unecessary war where the people of Vietnam did not want American
> troops there and fought a long an protracted guerrilla war until
> American opinion swayed against the war.
I WAS an adult during the Vietnam War and I remember it very well, indeed.
If you read other things I've written about the period, such as the thread
entitled "Avoid Vietnam Combat -- Join the Navy," you will get a better
handle on my perspective. You assume I was pro-war then. You are mistaken.
But I have grown in my thinking and learned from our mistakes. I suppose
you are going to overlook the fact that the North Vietnamese swarmed down in
our absence and exterminated thousands of southerners, "re-educating"
millions more. We weren't as wrong about what we did there than you or I
may have thought.
>
> Just like Iraq the American people were lied to about why we went to
> war in Vietnam. The war divided the country. Like Vietnam Iraq is
> not going to get any better, get over it the longer the war in Iraq
> goes on and the more body bags come back, American's will tire of the
> Iraq war and the Neo Cons who got them into this mess.
It's not "the neocons" who got us into "this mess." It was Usama bin Laden
and al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas, and Saddam Hussein. Iraq is but the
current battleground in the war against Islamist extremists. What you are
objecting to is Bush's decision to make Iraq that next battleground after
the Taliban. Were I president, based on what I know, I would have invaded
Syria first, then Iran. Syria is primarily responsible for terrorism in
Israel and Iran has been causing serious problems for years. Both countries
deserve to be invaded if they won't cease and desist with their
terrorist-aided ambitions. If we'd gone into Syria instead of Iraq, you
probably would have objected strenuously, and had we invaded populous Iran,
you'd no doubt be shitting apples.
> > > When President Bush comments that he "miscalculated" with regard to
the
> > > occupation of Iraq, most people question whether he made a mistake in
> > > getting us into the war in the first place.
> >
> > He was referring to the policy of taking over the country in the
shortest
> > period of time while allowing most of the infrastructure to remain
standing
> > as the army of Saddam simply doffed their uniforms and melted back into
the
> > populace to fight a guerilla war against coalition forces. Had the
country
> > been half-leveled and Saddam's army completely destroyed, we wouldn't be
> > having so many problems with Iraq today.
>
> Yeah right, what your saying we should have nuked em.
Wrong, we should have knocked down much of their infrastructure, decimated
their army, and destroyed their will to fight. We needn't have nuked them
to accomplish that. Brushing them aside with kid gloves is essentially what
we did and we have been paying for it ever since. By the way, Syria and
Iran have been supplying the insurgency with troops and arms. Would you do
anything about that but excuse it?
Michael Ejercito
> "Jive-Ass Johnny" <KerryT...@JohnKerry.com> wrote in message
> news:V24Yc.3137$6o3....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> >
>
> > Furthermore, demmies such as Kerry SUPPORT the Iraq War. They did when
> they
> > voted FOR it 2 years ago, and those demmies STILL support it to this very
> > day!
>
> Hmmm, was it Kerry who made the decision to go to War? No, that was Bush's
> decision.
his vote.
>
> Here's what Kerry said at the time he voted to give Bush the authority to
> use force as an OPTIONAL , IF NECESSARY, with UN Security Council approval,
> only if an IMMINENT threat is real and as a LAST RESORT:
>
> "Let me be clear, the vote I will give to the President is for one reason
> and one reason only: To disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction, if we
> cannot accomplish that objective through new, tough weapons inspections in
> joint concert with our allies. "
new inspections.
June 2003
Kerry Said "It Would Be Irresponsible . To Draw Conclusions" That
Suggest
President Misled On WMD. ABC'S GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: "I know you
said you
're agnostic about whether or not he misled the public on weapons of
mass
destruction. But do you have a hunch on whether you think they hyped
the
intelligence?" KERRY: "George, again, I think it would be
irresponsible
of me at this point to draw conclusions prior to all the evidence
being on
the table." (ABC's "This Week," 6/15/03)
March 2003
As War Began, Kerry Said Saddam Chose "To Make Military Force The
Ultimate
Weapons Inspections Enforcement Mechanism." "Senator John F. Kerry .
had
lambasted Bush's diplomatic efforts, despite voting last fall in
support of
a congressional resolution authorizing military action to disarm Iraq
of any
weapons of mass destruction. 'It appears that with the deadline for
exile
come and gone, Saddam Hussein has chosen to make military force the
ultimate
weapons inspections enforcement mechanism,' Kerry said." (Glen
Johnson,
"Critics Of Bush Voice Support For The Troops," The Boston Globe,
3/20/03)
Kerry Said Saddam Hussein's WMD "Are A Threat." "I think Saddam
Hussein's
weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted to
hold him
accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we need to
."
(NPR's "All Things Considered," 3/19/03)
February 2003
Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein "Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or
Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable." (Jill Lawrence, "War
Issue
Challenges Democratic Candidates," USA Today, 2/12/03)
Kerry Described Secretary Of State Colin Powell's Evidence Of WMD In
Iraq As
"Real And Compelling." "[Kerry] said the Bush administration has
taken too
long to make its case for military action, 'but nonetheless I am glad
we've
reached this moment in our diplomacy.' Kerry added: 'Convincing
evidence of
Saddam Hussein's possession of weapons of mass destruction should
trigger, I
believe, a final ultimatum from the United Nations for a full,
complete,
immediate disarmament of those weapons by Iraq. Over the next hours, I
will
work with my colleagues in the Senate to fully examine the evidence
offered
by the secretary for a complete and close reading. But, on its face,
the
evidence against Saddam Hussein appears real and compelling.'" (Wayne
Washington, "Kennedy, Others Question Timing Of Attack But
Presidential
Hopefuls Back War With Iraq," The Boston Globe, 2/6/03)
January 2003
Kerry Said, "If You Don't Believe Saddam Hussein Is A Threat With
Nuclear
Weapons, Then You Shouldn't Vote For Me." (Ronald Brownstein, "On
Iraq,
Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd," Los Angeles Times, 1/31/03)
Kerry Described Threat Of Saddam Hussein With WMD As Real, But Not
New.
"[W]e need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous
dictator,
leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses.
He
presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently
prone
to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He
miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's
response to
that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting
oil
rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel
and
trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own
military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his
misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued
deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That
is why
the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken
with one
voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm."
(Sen.
John Kerry, Remarks At Georgetown University, Washington, DC, 1/23/03)
October 2002
"Mr. Kerry . Said Iraq's Weapons Of Mass Destruction Posed 'A Real And
Grave
Threat' To The United States." (Dave Boyer, "Key Senators Of Both
Parties
Back Bush On Iraq War," The Washington Times, 10/10/02)
Kerry Questioned Saddam's Actions With Respect To His WMD Capability.
"Why
is Saddam Hussein pursuing weapons that most nations have agreed to
limit or
give up? Why is Saddam Hussein guilty of breaking his own cease-fire
agreement with the international community? Why is Saddam Hussein
attempting
to develop nuclear weapons when most nations don't even try, and
responsible
nations that have them attempt to limit their potential for disaster?
Why
did Saddam Hussein threaten and provoke? Why does he develop missiles
that
exceed allowable limits? Why did Saddam Hussein lie and deceive the
inspection teams previously? Why did Saddam Hussein not account for
all of
the weapons of mass destruction which UNSCOM identified? Why is he
seeking
to develop unmanned airborne vehicles for delivery of biological
agents?
Does he do all of these things because he wants to live by
international
standards of behavior? Because he respects international law? Because
he is
a nice guy underneath it all and the world should trust him?" (Sen.
John
Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)
Kerry Called It "Naive To The Point Of Grave Danger" To Leave Saddam
"To His
Own Devices." "It would be naive to the point of grave danger not to
believe that, left to his own devices, Saddam Hussein will provoke,
misjudge, or stumble into a future, more dangerous confrontation with
the
civilized world." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p.
S10171)
Kerry Said "Threat Of Saddam Hussein With Weapons Of Mass Destruction
Is
Real." "The threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction
is
real, but as I said, it is not new. It has been with us since the end
of
that war, and particularly in the last 4 years we know after Operation
Desert Fox failed to force him to reaccept them, that he has continued
to
build those weapons. He has had a free hand for 4 years to
reconstitute
these weapons, allowing the world, during the interval, to lose the
focus we
had on weapons of mass destruction and the issue of proliferation."
(Sen.
John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10171)
Kerry: "I Am Prepared To Hold Saddam Hussein Accountable And Destroy
His
Weapons Of Mass Destruction." (Ronald Brownstein, "Democratic
Presidential
Hopefuls Differ On War In Iraq," Los Angeles Times, 10/6/02)
September 2000
Kerry Said "There Is Nothing More Destabilizing Or Threatening [To The
World] Than Weapons Of Mass Destruction." "I think all of us are
deeply
concerned about the degree to which certain countries seem to be
contributing to the potential of instability in the world. Obviously,
there
is nothing more destabilizing or threatening than weapons of mass
destruction. We have spent an enormous amount of time and energy
focused on
Iraq, on Iran, on Russia, on loose nukes, on nuclear materials, and of
course on China and on the issue of the transfer of technology to
Pakistan."
(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 9/11/00, p. S8321)
December 1998
Kerry Defended Clinton's 1998 Attacks Because Saddam "Is Pursuing .
Weapons
Of Mass Destruction." "Americans need to really understand the gravity
and
legitimacy of what is happening with Saddam Hussein. He has been given
every
opportunity in the world to comply. The president does not control the
schedule of UNSCOM. The president did not withdraw the UNSCOM
inspectors.
And the president did not, obviously, cut a deal with Saddam Hussein
to do
this at this moment. Saddam Hussein has not complied. Saddam Hussein
is
pursuing a program to build weapons of mass destruction."(Sen. John
Kerry,
Press Conference, 12/16/98)
September 1998
Kerry Said, "'We're Going To Have To Make Some Fundamental Decisions
About
Whether To Follow A Policy Of Containment Or Deprive Iraq Of Its
Weapons Of
Mass Destruction." (Eric Schmitt, "U.N. Arms Inspector Who Quit Is
Told He
Can't Make Policy," The New York Times, 9/4/98)
February 1998
Kerry Said Saddam Had Already Used WMD And Had Intent "To Do So"
Again.
"[T]here are set of principles here that are very large, larger in
some
measure than I think has been adequately conveyed, both
internationally and
certainly to the American people. Saddam Hussein has already used
these
weapons and has made it clear that he has the intent to continue to
try, by
virtue of his duplicity and secrecy, to continue to do so. That is a
threat
to the stability of the Middle East. It is a threat with respect to
the
potential of terrorist activities on a global basis. It is a threat
even to
regions near but not exactly in the Middle East." (Sen. John Kerry,
Press
Conference, 2/23/98)
Kerry Said That If Saddam's Weapon Capability Was Not Eliminated "We
Will Be
Called On To Send Our Ships And Our Troops At One Point In The Future
Back
To The Middle East." "Saddam Hussein has violated . that standard
[against
using weapons of mass destruction] on several occasions previously and
by
most people's expectation, no matter what agreement we come up with,
may
well do so again. The greater likelihood is that we will be called on
to
send our ships and our troops at one point in the future back to the
Middle
East to stand up to the next crisis." (Sen. John Kerry, Press
Conference,
2/23/98)
December 1997
Kerry Urged U.N. To Eliminate Iraq's "Suspected Infrastructure For
Developing And Manufacturing Weapons Of Mass Destruction."
"Democratic
Senator John Kerry has said: 'The Security Council should authorize a
strong
UN military response that will materially damage, if not totally
destroy, as
much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and
manufacturing weapons of mass destruction.' He added that 'Saddam
Hussein
has intentionally or inadvertently set up a test which the entire
world will
be watching, and if he gets away with this arrogant ploy, he will have
terminated the most important multilateral effort to defuse a
legitimate
threat to global security.'" ("US Lawmakers Threaten Military Action
Against Iraq," Agence France Presse, 12/12/97)
November 1997
Kerry Warned U.S. Senate Of Saddam's WMD Capabilities. "It is not
possible
to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam
were to
develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological
weapons. We
can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of
several
known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire
population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be
delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by
much
more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily
could
suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic
weapons,
the same holds true." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97,
pp.
S12254 -S12255)
January 1991
Kerry Acknowledged Saddam Working Toward Development Of WMD "For
Years."
"If we go to war in the next few days, it will not be because our
immediate
vital interests are so threatened and we have no other choice. It is
not
because of nuclear, chemical, biological weapons when, after all,
Saddam
Hussein had all those abilities or was working toward them for years
...."
(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 1/12/91, p. S369)
October 1990
Kerry Said "Iraq Has Developed A Chemical Weapons Capability."
"Today, we
are confronted by a regional power, Iraq, which has attacked a weaker
state,
Kuwait. ... The crisis is even more threatening by virtue of the fact
that
Iraq has developed a chemical weapons capability, and is pursuing a
nuclear
weapons development program. And Saddam Hussein has demonstrated a
willingness to use such weapons of mass destruction in the past,
whether in
his war against Iran or against his own Kurdish population." (Sen.
John
Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/2/90, p. S14330
qwerty
"Michael Ejercito" <meje...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6930a3c6.04082...@posting.google.com...
Perhaps you should include your source for these quotes? You know a link to
where we can read them in their FULL Context? You see I provided a link and
everyone can read the quotes in their proper context. Where's yours? Did
you pull these out of your ass?
r wiley
>
No it isn't. The draft was in effect during the war in Viet Nam.
That meant that George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton,
Howard Dean, Rush Limbaugh, Saxby Chambliss et. al. had to
take affirmative action to avoid serving in Viet Nam . The war in
Iraq is easy to dodge.
rw
r wiley
"Jim Wilson" <cir...@citlink.net> wrote in message news:nJaYc.4160$m82....@news02.roc.ny...
> I WAS an adult during the Vietnam War and I remember it very well, indeed.
> If you read other things I've written about the period, such as the thread
> entitled "Avoid Vietnam Combat -- Join the Navy," you will get a better
> handle on my perspective.
The subject line seems to lump John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, John McCain, and
Jesse Ventura in the same pile with the likes of George W. Bush and Dan Quayle.
That's quite a stretch.
rw