Why do atheist deny that atheism is a relegion.
Popeye
case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the ￜreligionￜ of
secular humanism. The Court responded, ï¿œWe reject this claim because neither
the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
secular humanism are `religionsￜ for Establishment Clause purposes.ￜ The
Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
that secular humanism is not a religion.
In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never ruled
secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined ￜreligiousￜ in any
concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code ￜ for
a tax exemption ￜ religion is simply a firmly held belief:
The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating that ￜ[i]f an individual deeply and sincerely
holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but that
nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
life of that individual a place parallel to that filled byￜ God in the lives
of traditionally religious persons.ￜ Thus, religious beliefs include many
beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the conventional sense.ￜ
Uncle Vic
<a theist society's opinion>
Atheism is a religion as not collecting stamps is a hobby. It's
amazing to me how many times this has to be explained to idiot theists
who can't let go of religious ideals long enough to realize that there
are people who don't have religious ideals.
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
raven1
wrote:
>In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
>case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the �religion� of
>secular humanism. The Court responded, �We reject this claim because neither
>the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>secular humanism are `religions� for Establishment Clause purposes.� The
>Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
>that secular humanism is not a religion.
>
>In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never ruled
>secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined �religious� in any
>concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code � for
>a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
>398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating that �[i]f an individual deeply and sincerely
>holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but that
>nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
>life of that individual a place parallel to that filled by� God in the lives
>of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs include many
>beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the conventional sense.�
"Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
Because it isn't one.
It's no different TO THE ATHEIST than not watching sport or not
collecting stamps.
panam...@hotmail.com
snip
Because it ain't.
Or is *not* building model airplanes a "hobby" in your world?
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/Member, Knights of BAAWA!
IAAH
> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
> secular humanism. The Court responded, �We reject this claim because neither
> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>
> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never ruled
> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code � for
> a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
> of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs include many
>
>
Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is
a hair colour.
--
"I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
is no God. I equally cannot
prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
may exist; so may the gods of
Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
no one of these hypotheses is
more probable than any other: they lie outside the
region of even probable
knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
consider any of them."
-Bertrand Russell
BonyMaroney
> On 2/20/10 1:24 PM, * Popeye wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
> > case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
> > secular humanism. The Court responded, ³We reject this claim because neither
> > the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
> > Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
> > that secular humanism is not a religion.
>
> > In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never ruled
> > concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code for
> > a tax exemption religion is simply a firmly held belief:
> > The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
> > holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but that
> > nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
> > participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
> > of traditionally religious persons.¹ Thus, religious beliefs include many
> > beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>
> Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is
> a hair colour.
>
> --
> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
> is no God. I equally cannot
> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
> may exist; so may the gods of
> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
> no one of these hypotheses is
> more probable than any other: they lie outside the
> region of even probable
> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
> consider any of them."
>
> - Show quoted text -
wut uh hoo beleive, itz yoh religion, jerkz
Kevrob
Besides not believing in a god or gods, just how are their moral
systems similar in any way?
Neither of them is similar to the Buddha, either.
Yes, you can have an ethical system as strict as any religious sect
without belief in a deity, but a philosophical position does not a
religion make.
The problem is that many who are addicted to deolotry are
constitutionally incapable of imagining a contrary worldview. They
necessarily interpret other ways of thinking in the categories they
are comfortable with. So, a Marxist-Leninist is someone who "worships
the State like a god." A secularist free marketer is "a worshipper of
Mammon." I got many a lecture in my early religious education about
how the "sin of idolatry" in the modern day would rarely be committed
by worshipping Ba'al or Odin, but rather Money, Power, Sex, Drugs, the
Self, etc.
Me, I figure that, in order to worship a "false god," I'd actually
have to believe in a god or god of any sort, first.
Kevin
Kevin
Robibnikoff
Oh, and learn how to spell.
--
Robyn
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Sid9
"BonyMaroney" <Vegg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:78aec5c2-f7bb-4b67...@s17g2000vbs.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 20, 2:09 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exists> wrote:
>> On 2/20/10 1:24 PM, * Popeye wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of
>> > Appeals
>> > case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>> > of
>> > secular humanism. The Court responded, �We reject this claim because
>> > the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>> > Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a
>> > ruling
>> > that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>
>> > In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never
>> > ruled
>> > concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax
>> > a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>> > The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United
>> > States,
>> > holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content
>> > but that
>> > nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>> > participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in
>> > the
>> > lives
>> > of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs include
>> > beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do
>> > not
>>
>> Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is
>> a hair colour.
>>
>> --
>> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
>> is no God. I equally cannot
>> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
>> may exist; so may the gods of
>> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
>> no one of these hypotheses is
>> more probable than any other: they lie outside the
>> region of even probable
>> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
>> consider any of them."
>> -Bertrand Russell- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> wut uh hoo beleive, itz yoh religion, jerkz
What you believe is YOUR religion.
Popeye
(in article <m4b0o599r64qhpvee...@4ax.com>):
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:24:33 -0500, Popeye <pop...@westpac1964.org>
> wrote:
>
>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
>> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the ￜreligionￜ of
>> secular humanism. The Court responded, ï¿œWe reject this claim because
>> neither
>> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>> secular humanism are `religionsￜ for Establishment Clause purposes.ￜ The
>> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
>> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>
>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never
>> ruled
>> secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined ￜreligiousￜ in
>> any
>> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code ￜ
>> for
>> a tax exemption ￜ religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
>> 398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating that ￜ[i]f an individual deeply and sincerely
>> holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but
>> that
>> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
>> life of that individual a place parallel to that filled byￜ God in the
>> lives
>> of traditionally religious persons.ￜ Thus, religious beliefs include many
>> beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>> posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the conventional sense.ￜ
>
> "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
when making my point.
Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your knowledge
the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and distrusted minorities
in the US.
Consider this:
"Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
atheists. Research conducted a couple years ago at the University of
Minnesota in Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims
or homosexuals in the US.
Austin Cline from about.com writes, ï¿œEvery single study that has ever looked
at the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is the
least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential election.
Itï¿œs not just that atheists are hated, though, but also that atheists seem to
represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.
The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota, which
found that atheists ranked lower than ï¿œMuslims, recent immigrants, gays and
lesbians and other minority groups in ï¿œsharing their vision of American
society.ￜ Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least
willing to allow their children to marry.ￜ The results from two of the most
important questionsￜ
This group does not at all agree with my vision of American societyￜ
Atheist: 39.6%
Muslims: 26.3%
Homosexuals: 22.6%
Hispanics: 20%
Conservative Christians: 13.5%
Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
Jews: 7.6%
I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this groupￜ.
Atheist: 47.6%
Muslim: 33.5%
African-American 27.2%
Asian-Americans: 18.5%
Hispanics: 18.5%
Jews: 11.8%
Conservative Christians: 6.9%
Whites: 2.3% "
***************
HAND
thomas p.
> On Feb 20, 2:09 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exists> wrote:
>> On 2/20/10 1:24 PM, * Popeye wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth
>>> Circuit Court of Appeals case in 1994, a science
>>> teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>>> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach
>>> the �religion� of secular humanism. The Court
>>> responded, �We reject this claim because neither the
>>> Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that
>>> evolutionism or secular humanism are `religions� for
>>> Establishment Clause purposes.� The Supreme Court
>>> refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a
>>> ruling that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>
>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme
>>> Court have never ruled secular humanism is a religion
>>> nor have they even defined �religious� in any concrete
>>> terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS
>>> tax code � for a tax exemption � religion is simply a
>>> firmly held belief:
>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in
>>> Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating
>>> beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and
>>> content but that nevertheless impose upon him a duty of
>>> conscience to refrain from participating in any war at
>>> any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the life of
>>> in the lives of traditionally religious persons.� Thus,
>>> religious beliefs include many beliefs (for example,
>>> Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>>> posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the
>>> conventional sense.�
>>
>> Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is
>> a hair colour.
>>
>> --
>> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
>> is no God. I equally cannot
>> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
>> may exist; so may the gods of
>> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
>> no one of these hypotheses is
>> more probable than any other: they lie outside the
>> region of even probable
>> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
>> consider any of them."
>> -Bertrand Russell- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> wut uh hoo beleive, itz yoh religion, jerkz
I believe that water will freeze at 0 degrees celcius at sea level.
Is that my religion?
Robibnikoff
"Popeye" <pop...@westpac1964.org> wrote
> Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your
> knowledge
> the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and distrusted
> minorities
> in the US.
Oh wah. Go tell someone who gives a flying fuck, you stupid cocksucker.
raven1
wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:40:54 -0500, raven1 wrote
>(in article <m4b0o599r64qhpvee...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:24:33 -0500, Popeye <pop...@westpac1964.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
>>> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>>> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the �religion� of
>>> secular humanism. The Court responded, �We reject this claim because
>>> neither
>>> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>>> secular humanism are `religions� for Establishment Clause purposes.� The
>>> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
>>> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>>
>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never
>>> ruled
>>> secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined �religious� in
>>> any
>>> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code �
>>> for
>>> a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
>>> 398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating that �[i]f an individual deeply and sincerely
>>> holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but
>>> that
>>> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>>> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
>>> life of that individual a place parallel to that filled by� God in the
>>> lives
>>> of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs include many
>>> beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>>> posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the conventional sense.�
>>
>> "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
>
>No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
> when making my point.
Thanks for proving my point. Hint: I'm not Tim. Was your first post
above also your first Usenet post?
panam...@hotmail.com
Just because you have a tumor, it doesn't mean I have one.
Just because you have a religion, it doesn't mean I have one.
Richo
> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
> secular humanism. The Court responded, ³We reject this claim because neither
> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>
> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never ruled
> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code for
> a tax exemption religion is simply a firmly held belief:
> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
> holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but that
> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
> of traditionally religious persons.¹ Thus, religious beliefs include many
> beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
Yes all good.
So since atheism isnt "a set of beliefs deeply and sincerely held" it
obviously cannot be a religion.
Simple, eh?
Mark.
Richo
I believe many things - do I have many religions?
A Christian has many beliefs - does he have many religions?
Mark.
Olrik
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:40:54 -0500, raven1 wrote
> (in article<m4b0o599r64qhpvee...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:24:33 -0500, Popeye<pop...@westpac1964.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
>>> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>>> secular humanism. The Court responded, ³We reject this claim because
>>> neither
>>> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>>> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
>>> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>>
>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never
>>> ruled
>>> any
>>> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code
>>> for
>>> a tax exemption religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
>>> holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but
>>> that
>>> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>>> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
>>> lives
>>> of traditionally religious persons.¹ Thus, religious beliefs include many
>>> beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>>
>> "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
>
> No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
> when making my point.
>
> Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your knowledge
> the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and distrusted minorities
> in the US.
That says more about the majority than about us...
Olrik
Smiler
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:40:54 -0500, raven1 wrote
> (in article <m4b0o599r64qhpvee...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:24:33 -0500, Popeye <pop...@westpac1964.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of
>>> Appeals case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring
>>> him to teach evolution, his school district was forcing him to
>>> reject this claim because neither
>>> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that
>>> they refused to reverse a ruling that secular humanism is not a
>>> religion.
>>>
>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have
>>> never ruled
>>> secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined
>>> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax
>>> a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United
>>> and sincerely holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in
>>> source and content but that
>>> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>>> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly
>>> occupy in the life of that individual a place parallel to that
>>> of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs
>>> include many beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular
>>> Humanism) that do not posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the
>>
>> "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
>
> No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and
> "fucking" when making my point.
>
> Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your
> knowledge the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and
> distrusted minorities in the US.
>
> Consider this:
>
> "Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that
> are subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated
> than atheists. Research conducted a couple years ago at the
> University of Minnesota in Minneapolis found that atheists are more
> distrusted than muslims or homosexuals in the US.
>
> looked at the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and
> prejudice against atheists in America. The most recent data shows
> that atheists are more distrusted and despised than any other
> minority and that an atheist is the least likely person that
> that atheists are hated, though, but also that atheists seem to
> represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.
>
> The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota,
> immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in �sharing
> their vision of American society.� Atheists are also the minority
> group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to
>
> This group does not at all agree with my vision of American societyS
> Atheist: 39.6%
> Muslims: 26.3%
> Homosexuals: 22.6%
> Hispanics: 20%
> Conservative Christians: 13.5%
> Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
> Jews: 7.6%
>
> I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this
> Muslim: 33.5%
> African-American 27.2%
> Asian-Americans: 18.5%
> Hispanics: 18.5%
> Jews: 11.8%
> Conservative Christians: 6.9%
> Whites: 2.3% "
>
America isn't the whole world.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Jimbo
> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
> secular humanism. The Court responded, ³We reject this claim because neither
> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
Which is a fact. Secular humanism has no churches, no "holy writ", no
organized set of strictures or proclaimations, and has never met the
criteria for religion by either our Federal Laws, which includes the
criteria for a legitimate religion under our IRS code.
In short, it does not meet the definition of religion under the
establishment clause.
Spartakus
> raven1 wrote:>
> > "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
> No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
> when making my point.
I think you just invalidated your point.
Father Haskell
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's 32 degrees Fahrenheit at 1 atm.
Heretic.
SkyEyes
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:40:54 -0500, raven1 wrote
> > "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
>
> No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
> when making my point.
raven1 is a long-time member in good standing of this newsgroup, and s/
he can say (or quote) anything using any language s/he likes.
> Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your knowledge
> the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and distrusted minorities
> in the US.
<Yawn> Looks like you're working up to a good Argument from Numbers,
here.
>
> Consider this:
No, asswipe, you consider *this*: if 50 billion people all believe in
a silly thing, IT'S STILL A SILLY THING.
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Father Haskell
> I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this groupŠ.
> Atheist: 47.6%
You needn't worry about us wanting to fuck your child.
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
definition of "religion" is a belief in something _supernatural._ Care to
elaborate where the "supernatural" is in atheism, morontheist?
(And by all definitions that could be used to include atheism, stamp
collection or playing chess, or whatever other things and activities one
might pursue with "zeal", would be religions too. Funny how one never hears
morontheists rant against, say, the religion of football fandom...)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Bret Cahill
that evolution is a religion. We celebrate holidays just like other
religious folk. Our equivalent to Christmas is Darwin Day when we
swing from branches like monkeys.
We experience all the same modern controversies as any other religion,
i.e., should gays be allowed to swing from branches like monkeys on
Darwin Day?
Bret Cahill
Steve O
"Robibnikoff" <witc...@broomstick.com> wrote in message
news:7ub8kk...@mid.individual.net...
> --
Plus, this idiot fails to realize there are places where being an atheist
simply isn't an issue.
--
Steve O
aa #2240 BAAWA
Theological Noncognivatist
Convicted by Earthquack
Exempt from Purgatory by Papal Indulgence
Michael Gordge
Oh so what ewe are saying is, that you deny AGW is a hoax?
MG
Syd M.
> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the ³religion² of
> secular humanism. The Court responded, ³We reject this claim because neither
> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
> secular humanism are `religions¹ for Establishment Clause purposes.² The
> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>
You know, no matter how many times you repeat this lie, it's still a
lie.
PDW
Sir Frederick
Some crap.
>
>Bret Cahill
>
They deny that it is a religion, because that's part of the practiced
religion.
Chaos out of Order
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:12:05 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> Some crap.
>
> >Bret Cahill
>
> They deny that it is a religion, because that's part of the practiced
> religion.
Atheism isn't a religion. There is no worship of a god or
supernatural force. Beliefs aren't held on by faith. Most atheists
are such because of the lack of evidence for the existence of gods or
supernatural forces.
Sir Frederick
Atheists have the same structure and function of brain as non-atheists.
Same-o, same-o, nothing special, either way. The practice of situational
stories comes 'built' in, no matter what you call them, religion or not religion.
The function is the same. Different stories, but same brain functions.
There are differences culturally, but that draws on the same brain
structures and functions for all. Similar to languages.
bigfl...@gmail.com
Have you ever watched a lightening storm? Theres a lot of 'force' in
the universe, but I cant imagine any worship being involved, although
I can imagine a mantra ohmmmmmmmmmm being used :-)
BOfL
fasgnadh
>
> Atheism isn't a religion.
So why do atheists claim it is?
# It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
#
#
# "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
# of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
#
# "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
# we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
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"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
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http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
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JayPee Vee
> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
>
>
> > Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> So why do atheists claim it is?
No we don't, moron.
*You* claim it is, moron.
That's why we call you a moron, moron.
Dakota
If gays are allowed to swing from branches, it will destroy swinging from
branches for everyone else. If gays are allowed to swing from branches, the
next thing you know, gay monkeys will want to swing from branches. Where
will it end?!?!
Pink Freud
"fasgnadh" <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>
>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>
Fuck off, fasgnadh.
Adults are talking, here.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>>
>>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>>
>> So why do atheists claim it is?
>>
>>
>> #
>
Yes you do, and trying to snip the evidence and run away from
the truth merely shows you to be a
> moron.
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
>> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>>
> *You* claim it is, moron.
Perkins is the head of the Atheist Foundation, the Newspaper
is quoting him verbatim.. B^]
Why are atheists such ridiculous LIARS!?
Yap
> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
>
>
> > Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> So why do atheists claim it is?
>
> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> #
> #
> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> #
> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>
> --
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
You are not welcome to post your nonsense.
Maggsy
> On Feb 20, 11:40 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:12:05 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> > Some crap.
>
> > >Bret Cahill
>
> > They deny that it is a religion, because that's part of the practiced
> > religion.
>
> Atheism isn't a religion. There is no worship of a god or
> supernatural force.
Your definition of religion is not correct.
something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of
ethics or conscience
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
This is what atheists do with their atheistic beliefs.Some one should
tell Richard dawkins.
Beliefs aren't held on by faith. Most atheists
> are such because of the lack of evidence for the existence of gods or
> supernatural forces.
So they say.If you ignore,deny and dismiss the evidence then of course
there is no evidence for them. For those who are not prejudice against
the evidence there is evidence.
Maggsy
> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
>
>
> > Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> So why do atheists claim it is?
>
> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> #
> #
> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> #
> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>
> --
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
Great post.
Maggsy
Typical . Deny and ignore the evidence he has just posted and then
start name calling. Very callow.
JayPee Vee
> JayPee Vee demonstrates what feeble liars atheists are:> fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
> >>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> >> So why do atheists claim it is?
>
> >> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> >> #
>
> >
> > No we don't
>
> Yes you do, and trying to snip the evidence and run away from
> the truth merely shows you to be a
No we're not, moron.
Find one posting from us that says so, moron, and I'll believe you.
Maggsy
Why are you the moderator and please prove that it is nonsense. That
is just part of your religious belief that it is nonsense.
Maggsy
Who is us?Is Atheist Foundation of Australia not part of your
atheistic religion?
Maggsy
> JayPee Vee demonstrates what feeble liars atheists are:> fasgnadh wrote:
> >> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
> >>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> >> So why do atheists claim it is?
>
> >> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> >> #
>
> >
> > No we don't
>
> Yes you do, and trying to snip the evidence and run away from
> the truth merely shows you to be a
>
> > moron.
>
> >> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> >> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> >> #
> >> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
> >> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>
> > *You* claim it is, moron.
>
> Perkins is the head of the Atheist Foundation, the Newspaper
> is quoting him verbatim.. B^]
>
> Why are atheists such ridiculous LIARS!?
Because they can't handle the truth.They lie all the time. I've tried
talking to them for years.
>
> --
>
> alt.atheism FAQ:
>
> http://altatheismfaq.blogspot.com/
>
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.atheism/msg/7c0978c14fd4ed37?hl...
>
> "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> - Lenin
>
> http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-fa...
Jimbo
So... You actually believe that atheists sit around a campfire and
tell stories of not believing? I think your brain function just took
a dip.
Robibnikoff
"Maggsy" <davidma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Great post.
On that note - PLONK
We don't need any more asshole trolls in alt.atheism, thanks much.
--
Robyn
BAAWA Knight
#1557
Pink Freud
"Maggsy" <davidma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If you happen to be a mental retard.
Pink Freud
And your bullshit lies are just a part of YOUR belief.
<plonk>
John Stafford
I could be persuaded that atheism is a religion if I could build a
government tax-exempt organization. I'd call it VAT-free. Yeah, that's
the ticket!
Maggsy
> "Maggsy" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yes because you have got enough Atheistic trolls already.
> --
> Robyn
> BAAWA Knight
> #1557- Hide quoted text -
Maggsy
> "Maggsy" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Yep you just proved my point again.Atheist's can't debate so they have
to name call.
Maggsy
> "Maggsy" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
So you say. Please provide evidence of these lies that you say is part
of my belief?
>
> <plonk>- Hide quoted text -
Maggsy
And your point is what?
Kilmir
The "evidence" is that according to the quote atheism counts as a
religion for certain areas, probably legal.
But the fact of the matter is, atheism is not a religion in any kind
of definition of the word. Atheism is a lack of a property of someone,
which only has meaning in a world where other people have that
property.
The "evidence" is a falsehood due to omission and either way it's
useless because a definition is an agreed upon meaning of a word and
the one of atheism is simply "without theism", or in full "without a
belief in a god".
Kilmir
> On Feb 21, 8:13 am, Chaos out of Order <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 20, 11:40 pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:12:05 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> > > Some crap.
>
> > > >Bret Cahill
>
> > > They deny that it is a religion, because that's part of the practiced
> > > religion.
>
> > Atheism isn't a religion. There is no worship of a god or
> > supernatural force.
>
> Your definition of religion is not correct.
>
> something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of
>
> This is what atheists do with their atheistic beliefs.Some one should
> tell Richard dawkins.
>
> Beliefs aren't held on by faith. Most atheists
>
> > are such because of the lack of evidence for the existence of gods or
> > supernatural forces.
>
> So they say.If you ignore,deny and dismiss the evidence then of course
> there is no evidence for them. For those who are not prejudice against
> the evidence there is evidence.
What, you claim to have evidence of god(s) ?
Many here would love to see that.
Remember, objective evidence only so others could verify. There is no
point in "evidence" that can't be distinguished from a delusion.
Sir Frederick
No, they tell stories on what they believe. Such as that the fire is 'red'.
There is no 'red', out there. Only evolved brain structures that represent
that sensor stimulation as such. I think your brain function is normal
to the human condition, crazy.
Dhammd Idjit
What point? That you don't understand what you're saying? That seems
the mostly likely.
Dhammd Idjit
> On Feb 21, 3:37�pm, "Robibnikoff" <witchy...@broomstick.com> wrote:
>> "Maggsy" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> 476ee13b-2857-4089...@y33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> On Feb 21, 10:25 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> > Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>
>> > > Atheism isn't a religion.
>>
>> > So why do atheists claim it is?
Foolish of you.
a.a is for atheists, not for you. FOAD, now.
Dhammd Idjit
You certainly aren't us. There being no atheist religion, your question
is meaningless. Just like all of your other posts. Now, FOAD, like a
ghood widdle theist.
Dhammd Idjit
> On Feb 21, 4:13�pm, Chaos out of Order <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Feb 20, 11:40�pm, Sir Frederick <mmcne...@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 21:12:05 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill <BretCah...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Some crap.
>>
>> > >Bret Cahill
>>
>> > They deny that it is a religion, because that's part of the practiced
>> > religion.
>>
>> Atheism isn't a religion. �There is no worship of a god or
>> supernatural force. �Beliefs aren't held on by faith. �Most atheists
>> are such because of the lack of evidence for the existence of gods or
>> supernatural forces.
>
> Have you ever watched a lightening storm?
Have you ever watched a darkening storm?
> Theres a lot of 'force' in
> the universe, but I cant imagine any worship being involved, although
> I can imagine a mantra ohmmmmmmmmmm being used :-)
>
> BOfL
Dhammd Idjit
No red? Out where? You know you're talking crazy, too.
> Only evolved brain structures that represent that sensor stimulation as such.
> I think your brain function is normal to the human condition, crazy.
Watch it, bubba. Some of us really are crazy, like most xians and
other theists are crazy. We get help on that...and we really wish that
you would, too.
Dhammd Idjit
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:40:54 -0500, raven1 wrote
> (in article <m4b0o599r64qhpvee...@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:24:33 -0500, Popeye <pop...@westpac1964.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
>>> case in 1994, a science teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>>> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach the �religion� of
>>> secular humanism. The Court responded, �We reject this claim because
>>> neither
>>> the Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that evolutionism or
>>> secular humanism are `religions� for Establishment Clause purposes.� The
>>> Supreme Court refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a ruling
>>> that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>>
>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme Court have never
>>> ruled
>>> secular humanism is a religion nor have they even defined �religious� in
>>> any
>>> concrete terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS tax code �
>>> for
>>> a tax exemption � religion is simply a firmly held belief:
>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in Welsh v. United States,
>>> 398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating that �[i]f an individual deeply and sincerely
>>> holds beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and content but
>>> that
>>> nevertheless impose upon him a duty of conscience to refrain from
>>> participating in any war at any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the
>>> life of that individual a place parallel to that filled by� God in the
>>> lives
>>> of traditionally religious persons.� Thus, religious beliefs include many
>>> beliefs (for example, Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>>> posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the conventional sense.�
>>
>> "Wow, you're pretty fucking stupid, aren't you?" - Tim the Enchanter
>
> No, Tim, you are, because I don't have to use words like, "wow" and "fucking"
> when making my point.
You don't have to be a complete idiot, but still, there you are.
> Perhaps your fear and that of many other atheist is founded in your knowledge
> the as an atheist you are one of the most despised and distrusted minorities
> in the US.
What fear? You haven't a clue. Yes, it takes courage, to be an atheist
in a society overrun by theists. The fact that you fucking theists are
living in dread of losing your pitiful excuse for faith is driving your
hatred of atheists.
> Consider this:
>
> "Intolerance is a bitter beast. There are many groups in America that are
> subject to discrimination and prejudice, but none are more hated than
> atheists. Research conducted a couple years ago at the University of
> Minnesota in Minneapolis found that atheists are more distrusted than muslims
> or homosexuals in the US.
>
> Austin Cline from about.com writes, �Every single study that has ever looked
> at the issue has revealed massive amounts of bigotry and prejudice against
> atheists in America. The most recent data shows that atheists are more
> distrusted and despised than any other minority and that an atheist is the
> least likely person that Americans would vote for in a presidential election.
> It�s not just that atheists are hated, though, but also that atheists seem to
> represent everything about modernity which Americans dislike or fear.
>
> The most recent study was conducted by the University of Minnesota, which
> found that atheists ranked lower than �Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and
> lesbians and other minority groups in �sharing their vision of American
> society.� Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least
> willing to allow their children to marry.� The results from two of the most
> important questions�
>
> This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society�
> Atheist: 39.6%
> Muslims: 26.3%
> Homosexuals: 22.6%
> Hispanics: 20%
> Conservative Christians: 13.5%
> Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
> Jews: 7.6%
>
> I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group�.
> Atheist: 47.6%
> Muslim: 33.5%
> African-American 27.2%
> Asian-Americans: 18.5%
> Hispanics: 18.5%
> Jews: 11.8%
> Conservative Christians: 6.9%
> Whites: 2.3% "
You are proving nothing more than that your kind are filling with
unreasoning hatred. Fuck off, dipshit.
Syd M.
>
>
Why do you have to continue to lie about us, hysterical bigot?
PDW
Scott Campbell
> On Feb 21, 2:06 pm, JayPee Vee <jaypee1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 Feb., 13:24, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[...]
> Who is us?Is Atheist Foundation of Australia not part of your
> atheistic religion?
If some nitwit atheist in Australia claims atheism is a religion, then
he's every bit as painfully pig-ignorant and mistaken as you theists
who grunt forth this laughable assertion.
(It's likely some lame tax angle.)
It's as if the theist camp, unable to attack the concept of atheism
on logical grounds, frustrated at their inability to pigeon-hole it into
something they can understand - simply throw up their hands and
declare, "Oh yeah! Well...... well....... well, atheism is a religion
too!" The most damaging piece of invective they're capable of
producing is to accuse atheists of engaging in the same idiocy
as themselves. "Yeah, we may be gullible saps, but so are you!"
Feel free, Maggsy, to take a stab at demonstrating just how is it
that you think atheism is a religion. If one is going to classify it
as such, I should imagine a few basic criteria need to be met.
Otherwise, one can merely classify anything they wish as
anything else. I could assert that life is really death. Up is in
reality, down. 5 equals six.
Atheism has no system of "beliefs." No system of rewards and
punishments. No appeal to the supernatural. No gods. No
Popes. No priests. No holy places. No rituals. No ceremonies.
No magic beads. No magic water. No magic books. No doctrine.
No dogma. No miracles. No prayers. No magic idols. No
blessings. No baptisms. No trial by fire. No scripture. No
churches. No worship. No schemes of salvation.
There exists not one single element needed to define something
as a religion found anywhere in atheism. It has zero attributes
of a religion.
It seems impossible for those of you caught in the trap of your
religion to imagine that others exist who do not have such belief
systems and do not share your need for one. What you are
trying to do, Maggsy, is include us in your insanity. Therefore you
inform us that our positions, ideas and opinions are a "religion"
because your thinking is so limited that you find it difficult to
accept the fact that some folks reject not only _your_ particular
brand of silliness, but _all_ other brands of silliness.
Some will insist we "worship nothingness." Yet that is how we
see the Christian. As someone who worships nothing. An unseen,
unknown, unhearing, unresponding being which you label "god"
is supplicated constantly with no response. Nothing. But yet
you still worship it. Nothing hears you but you still speak to it.
Nothing responds but you still hear some message in the void.
Nothing-ever-fucking-happens - but you explain it away by
assuring folks that "something" may be occurring "somewhere."
--
Scott Campbell
"The Emperor Constantine, who lifted Christianity into power,
murdered his wife Fausta, and his eldest son Crispus, the same
year that he convened the Council of Nice to decide whether
Jesus Christ was a man or the Son of God. The council decided
that Christ was consubstantial with the Father. This was in the
year A.D. 325. We are thus indebted to a wife-murderer for
settling the vexed question of the divinity of the Savior.
Theodosius called a council at Constantinople in 381, and this
council decided that the Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father.
Theodosius, the younger, assembled another council at
Ephesus to ascertain who the Virgin Mary really was, and it was
solemnly decided in the year 431 that she was the Mother of
God. In 451 it was decided by a council held at Chalcedon, called
together by the Emperor Marcian, that Christ had two natures - the
human and divine. In 680, in another general council, held at
Constantinople, convened by order of Pognatius, it was also
declared that Christ had two wills, and in the year 1274 it was
decided at the council of Lyons that the Holy Ghost proceeded
not only from the Father, but from the Son as well.
Had it not been for these councils, we might have been without a
Trinity even to this day. When we take into consideration the fact
that a belief in the Trinity is absolutely essential to salvation, how
unfortunate it was for the world that this doctrine was not
established until the year 1274. Think of the millions that dropped
into hell while these questions were being discussed.
This, however, is a digression. Let us go back to Constantine.
This Emperor, stained with every crime, is supposed to have died
like a Christian. We hear nothing of fiends leering at him in the
shadows of death. He does not see the forms of his murdered
wife and son covered with the blood he shed. From his white and
shrivelled lips issued no shrieks of terror. He does not cover his
glazed eyes to shut out the visions of hell. His chamber is filled
with the rustle of wings - of wings waiting to bear his soul to the
thrilling realms of joy.
Against the Emperor Constantine the church has hurled no
anathema. She has accepted the story of his vision in the clouds,
and his holy memory has been guarded by priest and pope. All the
persecutors sleep in peace, and the ashes of those who burned
their brothers in the name of Christ, rest in consercrated ground."
- Robert Ingersoll
Free Lunch
<davidma...@yahoo.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Religions get subsidized by taxpayers.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
After snipping fasgadh's lies, all that is left is:
Free Lunch
<mmcn...@fuzzysys.com> wrote in alt.atheism:
Your ignorance would hurt if you knew how little you know.
John Stafford
<d29e0d90-b8f2-4993...@g28g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Maggsy <davidma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Religions get a free ride in the USA. Atheists don't. For the sake of
parity, I think religious organizations should pay the same taxes
everyone else does. Let 'em incorporate. Go public (stock offerings),
pay taxes. Separation of church and state. Get it?
Dhammd Idjit
Poor, poor little maggot. Someday, when you grow up, you'll look back
on your years of idiocy, and laugh.
Dhammd Idjit
I hope you didn't expect more.
Scott Campbell
Hell, I'd settle for a delusion at this point. All anyone ever gets is
blithe
assurances that such evidences do indeed exist, and that we only
ignore, deny and dismiss their material due to the extreme prejudice of
those examining the goods.
I wouldn't mind getting in on some of that action, but they refuse to
disclose the location where these things happen.
--
Scott Campbell
"All you L.A. wimmins
Man, you make me so doggoned tired
You got a hand
Full of, 'Gimme'
And a mouth
Full of, 'Much Obliged'..."
- Taj Mahal
Virgil
Dhammd Idjit <gh...@att.net> wrote:
Once, I might have, but I have since learnt better not to.
Smiler
> On Feb 20, 5:56 pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> BonyMaroney wrote:
>>> On Feb 20, 2:09 pm, IAAH <n...@email.exists> wrote:
>>>> On 2/20/10 1:24 PM, * Popeye wrote:
>>
>>>>> In Peloza v. Capistrano School District, a Ninth
>>>>> Circuit Court of Appeals case in 1994, a science
>>>>> teacher argued that, by requiring him to teach
>>>>> evolution, his school district was forcing him to teach
>>>>> responded, �ｿｽWe reject this claim because neither the
>>>>> Supreme Court, nor this circuit, has ever held that
>>>>> Establishment Clause purposes.�ｿｽ The Supreme Court
>>>>> refused to review the case; they refused to reverse a
>>>>> ruling that secular humanism is not a religion.
>>
>>>>> In fact the Federal Courts all the way up the Supreme
>>>>> Court have never ruled secular humanism is a religion
>>>>> terms. Most times when it is defined, like in the IRS
>>>>> firmly held belief:
>>>>> The Court elaborated upon the Seeger definition in
>>>>> Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 33 (1970), stating
>>>>> beliefs that are purely ethical or moral in source and
>>>>> content but that nevertheless impose upon him a duty of
>>>>> conscience to refrain from participating in any war at
>>>>> any time, those beliefs certainly occupy in the life of
>>>>> in the lives of traditionally religious persons.�ｿｽ Thus,
>>>>> religious beliefs include many beliefs (for example,
>>>>> Taoism, Buddhism, and Secular Humanism) that do not
>>>>> posit the existence of a Supreme Being in the
>>
>>>> Atheism is a religion in the same way that bald is
>>>> a hair colour.
>>
>>>> --
>>>> "I do not pretend to be able to prove that there
>>>> is no God. I equally cannot
>>>> prove that Satan is a fiction. The Christian god
>>>> may exist; so may the gods of
>>>> Olympus, or of ancient Egypt, or of Babylon. But
>>>> no one of these hypotheses is
>>>> more probable than any other: they lie outside the
>>>> region of even probable
>>>> knowledge, and therefore there is no reason to
>>>> consider any of them."
>>>> -Bertrand Russell- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>
>> I believe that water will freeze at 0 degrees celcius at sea level.
>> Is that my religion?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>
Nope. That's 273.16 degrees Kelvin at 760mm Hg.
> Heretic
Yep.
--
Smiler
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
All gods are bespoke. They're all made to
perfectly fit the prejudices of their believer
Michael Gordge
>
> Why are atheists such ridiculous LIARS!?
So what does that make the mystics?
MG
fasgnadh
>
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> #
>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>> #
>> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
>> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>>
>
Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
--
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"Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
-Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
"Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
- Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
"How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
- Lenin
http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01001/Tsar-family_1001874c.jpg
Father Haskell
>
> Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
> and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
Grow a fucking hide.
Unattractive Meatball #7
>Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
>and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
LOL. Some how your intellectual and moral superiors have managed to
hurt you a lot. "Stings a bit," does it? <smile>
By the way: Christians rape children as a matter of religious ideology.
---
Does belief in astrology cause insanity? http://www.skeptictank.org/edm.htm
Scientology is organized crime: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/la-megaraid-2010
No, gods and goddesses can't punish atheists, loon.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Fuck off, fasgnadh.
Fasgadh, the thug, is incapable of reason, he snips the evidence
and leaves nothing but witless abuse, revealing his irrationality.
Virgil
Perhaps if fasgadh were not himself an atheist wannabe (refusing to
admit belief in any gods), his attacks on atheism could be understood.
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Pink Fraud had nothing but witless ad hom to offer:
>> >
>>> fasgnadh wrote:
>>>> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>>>>
>>>> So why do atheists claim it is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>>>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>>>> #
>>>> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
>>>> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fuck off, fasgnadh.
>>
>> and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
>>
>
> Grow a fucking hide.
Thanks for confirming my point! B^]
fasgnadh
> fasgnadh wrote:
>> Pink Fraud had nothing but witless ad hom to offer:
>> >
>>>> Chaos out of Order wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Atheism isn't a religion.
>>>>
>>>> So why do atheists claim it is?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
>>>> #
>>>> #
>>>> # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
>>>> # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
>>>> #
>>>> # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
>>>> # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
>> and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
>
> LOL.
atheists are ridiculous.. aren't they! B^D Endless fun!
> "Stings a bit"
ask your boyfriend not to stick it in so hard. B^]
> <smile>
Ah well, if you enjoy being shafted you will make the perfect
atheist sheep;
http://www.thearchetypalconnection.com/images/RedGuardsLow.JPG
> By the way: Christians rape children as a matter of religious ideology.
Another weak minded atheist liar trying to snip the facts and change the
subject... pfffffft! They are all intellectual LIGHTWEIGHTS! B^D
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
> and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
Note that fasgadh is guilty of the same sort of witless abuse and
irrationality that he accuses others of committing.
Virgil
fasgnadh <fasg...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> atheists are ridiculous
Not nearly as ridiculous in their justifiable skepticism as theists are
in their unjustifiable faiths.
Until all theists can agree on one consistent version of godliness, they
are all much more foolish in their diverse and mutually contradictory
faiths that atheists in their catholic skepticism.
Seon Ferguson
rituals. There is no priests in atheism like in typical religions and there
is no single creed all atheists adhere to. So how exactly is atheism a
religion again?
Father Haskell
> Father Haskell snipped the facts and RAN, spewing atheist abuse:
>
>
> Thanks for confirming my point! B^]
Thanks for confirming mine.
Father Haskell
> In article <vQBgn.9290$pv.2...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
>
> fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> > Atheist thugs are incapable of reason, they snip the evidence
> > and leave nothing but witless abuse, revealing their irrationality.
>
> Note that fasgadh is guilty of the same sort of witless abuse and
> irrationality that he accuses others of committing.
He comes in *begging* for abuse. He has only
himself to blame.
Immortalist
> I'm a priest of the Evolutionist religion so I certainly don't deny
> that evolution is a religion. We celebrate holidays just like other
> religious folk. Our equivalent to Christmas is Darwin Day when we
> swing from branches like monkeys.
>
> We experience all the same modern controversies as any other religion,
> i.e., should gays be allowed to swing from branches like monkeys on
> Darwin Day?
>
> Bret Cahill
Compte came to the conclusion that the human being needed a creed, the
absence of which results in all kinds of social corruption. According
to him, past religion (Catholicism) is not adequate enough for modern
mankind.
...He said that Catholicism belonged to the human being's supernatural
thinking and this is not acceptable to the person of the scientific
age. His invented religion however, lacked an occult root, but he
accepted all the traditions and rites which existed before, and even
proposed having priests in this new creed, presenting himself as its
prophet, but a prophet without a god. They say about him that he got
his rites from Catholicism and he was criticized for this since he
disbelieved that religion but imitated and adopted its ceremonies and
traditions.
He was right in one thing, that the human being needs worship and
devotion as well as the performance of a number of rites.
The Religion of Humanity becomes in the author's intentions the true
Positive religion, the only one capable of replacing Catholicism. Like
the Catholic religion, Positivism will have its cult, its dogmas, its
ceremonies, its "consecrations" or "social sacraments" by which to
sanctify "all present phases of private life, systematically tying
them to public life" (Positive Catechism). Months will take the
meaningful names of Positive religion and the days of the week will be
consecrated each to one of the seven sciences. Lay temples will be
built (scientific institutes) and a Positive pope will exercise his
authority on those who will be committed to the development of
industries and to the practical use of discoveries. In Positive
society woman will become the guardian and the source of the
sentimental life of Humanity.
Humanity will be the Great Being, space will be the Great Environment,
and the earth the Great Fetish: this is the trinity of the Positive
religion....
http://www.najaf.org/english/book/8/2.htm
http://www.google.com/search?q=comte+%22religion+of+humanity%22
http://membres.lycos.fr/clotilde/etexts/harrison/religion.htm
Across the globe and throughout history, human beings have engaged in
a variety of religious practices and have held a diversity of
religious beliefs. These phenomena have been explained in a variety of
different ways by anthropologists, psychologists, and other scholars,
as well as by religious practitioners themselves, with varying degrees
of success. Perhaps more puzzling, and just in need of an explanation,
is the fact that human beings have religion in the first place.
...Religion is a by-product of the way our minds evolved to negotiate
the natural and, more importantly, the social world. Evolutionary
Psychology's naturalistic and cognitivist approach is at variance with
many established traditions in the study of the religion and his
approach may seem wrong-headed to many...
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Feb 21, 10:25 am, fasgnadh <fasgn...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Chaos out of Order wrote:
>
> > > Atheism isn't a religion.
>
> > So why do atheists claim it is?
>
> > # It's Official, Atheists claim to be a persecuted RELIGION: B^D
> > #
> > #
> > # "THE Atheist Foundation of Australia has lodged complaints
> > # of religious discrimination in Melbourne and Hobart
> > #
> > # "atheism counts as a religion, though we say
> > # we're not one, Perkins said." - The Age 29/1/2009Dr
>
>
> > "Atheism is the natural and inseparable part of Communism."
> > -Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> > http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8295?context=latest
>
> > http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:8290?context=latest
>
> > "Our program necessarily includes the propaganda of atheism."
> > - Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov (Lenin)
>
> > http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:6348?context=latest
>
> > http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17478?context=latest
>
> > "How can you make a revolution without firing squads?"
> > - Lenin
>
> > http://www.atheistnexus.org/photo/2182797:Photo:17475?context=latest
>
> > http://www.c96trading.com/Nagant_NKVD_300h.jpg
>
>
> Great post.
If you like trolls. He just reposts the same nonsense over
and over plus repeated attacks on those he doesn't like.
He says that he is an agnostic. He's merely a troll.
hypa...@comcast.net
> On Feb 21, 3:59 pm, "Pink Freud" <somewh...@here.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Maggsy" <davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1130a4c5-4ae2-4100...@j27g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Feb 21, 1:22 pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Why are you the moderator and please prove that it is nonsense. That
> > > is just part of your religious belief that it is nonsense.
>
> > And your bullshit lies are just a part of YOUR belief.
>
> So you say. Please provide evidence of these lies that you say is part
> of my belief?
>
What religion are you?
John Jones
Yap
What is wrong if Bret wishes to personally make evolution as his own
religion?
He has himself as a member, what is wrong with that since he does not
go out to get members?
Christopher A. Lee
wrote:
My member's bigger than yours.
Bret Cahill
> > that evolution is a religion. We celebrate holidays just like other
> > religious folk. Our equivalent to Christmas is Darwin Day when we
> > swing from branches like monkeys.
>
> > We experience all the same modern controversies as any other religion,
> > i.e., should gays be allowed to swing from branches like monkeys on
> > Darwin Day?
>
> > Bret Cahill
>
> branches for everyone else. If gays are allowed to swing from branches, the
> next thing you know, gay monkeys will want to swing from branches. Where
> will it end?!?!
The Conservative Evolutionists are already threatening to fracture the
Evolutionist Religion so maybe we Evolutionists need a Reformation.
Bret Cahill
Shrikeback
> that evolution is a religion. We celebrate holidays just like other
> religious folk. Our equivalent to Christmas is Darwin Day when we
> swing from branches like monkeys.
>
> We experience all the same modern controversies as any other religion,
> i.e., should gays be allowed to swing from branches like monkeys on
> Darwin Day?
What does evolution have to do with atheism,
is all I want to know.
Anonymous Infidel - the anti-political talking head
Atheist can't be pedophiles too???? [You're stupid]
Rightardia
Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM). This is the true church of atheists and
agnostics. The FSM will smite you.
The Church of Reality is another great atheist and agnostic church.
Bret Cahill
> > that evolution is a religion. We celebrate holidays just like other
> > religious folk. Our equivalent to Christmas is Darwin Day when we
> > swing from branches like monkeys.
>
> > We experience all the same modern controversies as any other religion,
> > i.e., should gays be allowed to swing from branches like monkeys on
> > Darwin Day?
>
> What does evolution have to do with atheism,
> is all I want to know.
Excellent idea! It's time to start a atheist - creationist religion!
Bret Cahill
Jimbo
head <messiah2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > You needn't worry about us wanting to fuck your child.
>
> Atheist can't be pedophiles too???? [You're stupid]
They can be, but I've never heard of one. Maybe it's just all the bad
press that pedophile christers are getting....