Zelensky Signs Defense Deals with France and Germany

[68g.1509]

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-zelenskyy-inks-french-german-defense-pacts/live-68271771

Ukrainian President Volodmyr Zelenskyy signed off on
"ambitious" security deal Friday with French President
Emmanuel Macron in Paris.

The deal will last for 10 years and includes a French
promise of up to €3 billion ($3.2 billion) in aid for 2024.

Also on Friday, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz and Zelenskyy
signed a bilateral security agreement valued at €1.1 billion
($1.18 billion) to help in the fight against Russia's invasion.

. . .

Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
to proxies like France and Germany and others ?

Unfortunately, politics can go on forever, but the
Ukrainian military cannot - supplies run out and
then Putin gets his horrible way.

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:

> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?

Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.

In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.

Swill
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the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
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[pothead]

On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>
> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>
> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.
>
> Swill

So why can't Biden close the border?

--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[the late Mark Wieber]

On 2/17/2024 5:59 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>>
>> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>>
>> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.
>>
>> Swill
>
> So why can't Biden close the border?

Because the Republiscums/QAnon in Congress refuse to provided the necessary
resources to do it.

[da pickle]

Closing the border is easy with the current "resources" ... people are
being "helped" in ... just close the holes and have only the legitimate
borders open ... only people with documents can get in. Easy and does
not cost much at all. State national guards are ready and willing to
help. Even New York.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:38:21 -0500, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>
>Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>
>In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.

In another turn of events, NATO and EU states are giving Ukraine weapons out of their
stockpiles, then buying replacements from us. The EU has passed a guaranteed 54B euro
Ukraine aid guarantee.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>>
>> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>>
>> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.

>So why can't Biden close the border?

What's he supposed to do? Run up and down two thousand miles of desert and mountain with
a megaphone yelling, "Don't you dare"?

My turn to ask.

How can he close the border?

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:29:13 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Closing the border is easy with the current "resources" ... people are
>being "helped" in ... just close the holes and have only the legitimate
>borders open ...

How do you seal up the other 1,999 miles? River, mountain, desert, wildlife migration
routes?

> only people with documents can get in.

It's already like that - at the entry points. Papers don't matter when you're sneaking up
the river or climbing a fence.

>Easy and does
>not cost much at all. State national guards are ready and willing to
>help. Even New York.

There aren't enough of them even if it was their job.

Then tell us how to do it Mr Armchairquarterback.

Exactly what actions can he take?

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 4:01 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:29:13 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Closing the border is easy with the current "resources" ... people are
>> being "helped" in ... just close the holes and have only the legitimate
>> borders open ...
>
> How do you seal up the other 1,999 miles? River, mountain, desert, wildlife migration
> routes?
>
>> only people with documents can get in.
>
> It's already like that - at the entry points. Papers don't matter when you're sneaking up
> the river or climbing a fence.
>
>> Easy and does
>> not cost much at all. State national guards are ready and willing to
>> help. Even New York.
>
> There aren't enough of them even if it was their job.
>
> Then tell us how to do it Mr Armchairquarterback.
>
> Exactly what actions can he take?
>
> Swill

Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
to the big walls. They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
being released. Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?

[68g.1509]

On 2/17/24 8:59 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>>
>> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>>
>> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.
>>
>> Swill
>
> So why can't Biden close the border?

Too many Ex-Mex VOTES/DONATIONS involved. Impossible !!!

[Gronk]

pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>>
>> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>>
>> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.
>>
>> Swill
>
> So why can't Biden close the border?
>

Why didn't #DirtyDon?

[68g.1509]

Compare figures. Joe is much Much MUCH worse.

STILL wonder if this isn't related to the growing demographic
situation in the USA though - not enough 'native' babies to
become workers and TAXPAYERS. The Dem plan may not be to import
more future Dems (actually the 'hispanics' from down south are
a pretty conservative/Christian lot by and large) but to bring
in more workers. "Uncontrollable immigration surge" is a way
to do it without making it look deliberate.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
>to the big walls. They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
>being released.

So . . .<chuckle> You're claming that they're walking through the entry ports . . .
<giggle> . . . and being allowed to come right in? <guffaw>

>Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?

I've seen bullshit articles misrepresenting the images shown. Is that what you mean?

[Governor Swill]

They won't answer because he's not a Democrat.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmmmm ... while overt US funding is currently tied-up
>>>> due to politics, I wonder if the US can still fund
>>>> Ukraine kinda INdirectly - from another purse - via aid
>>>> to proxies like France and Germany and others ?
>>>
>>> Biden is using a little known executive prerogative to get weapons to Ukraine. The
>>> President is empowered to declare certain munitions obsolete and donate/sell them to
>>> another NATO nation for a price he determines, including zero dollars.
>>>
>>> In this case, he's sending such weapons to Greece, gratis and the Greeks will give their
>>> old Soviet weapons to Ukraine.
>
>>So why can't Biden close the border?
>
> What's he supposed to do? Run up and down two thousand miles of desert and mountain with
> a megaphone yelling, "Don't you dare"?
>
> My turn to ask.
>
> How can he close the border?
>
> Swill

Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the border. However by executive
order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to actually close the
border.

Bottom line that you keep avoiding is that the border was secure under Trump.
Biden rescinded the Trump policies and like magic the endless flow of illegal migrants started.
And you already know the list as it's been posted previously many times.

Bottom, bottom line, had Biden simply left things alone we would not be in this mess. But like
everything King Midas In Reverse touches, this one has also turned to shit.

And no amount of spin from the WH trying to blame it on the republicans is going to work because
like watching Biden fumble, mumble and fall, the people can see for themselves.

[John Doe]

One of the many things people can see for themselves is that congress
worked months to create a bill that would give more funding for the
border issues and then Trump told his minions to axe it because he
didn't want Biden to get a "win." That's Trump in a nutshell.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net>

wrote:https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/metro/nyc-spending-millions-to-clean-migrants-laundry/

Wrong.
The border crisis started under Biden and people know this.
All it takes is a little digging to discover that the democrat bill allows for 5k migrants per day.
And yes it is buried in rhetoric with conditions but take a look how the left wing media is
attempting to spin this.

Again, for the 100th time, all Biden has to do is restore the Trump
policies which were working.
Why is the left opposed to this?

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the border. However by executive
>order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to actually close the
>border.

No, he doesn't. He can declare it closed all he wants but that won't physically restrain
them from coming.

Put them to work contributing to the economy and paying taxes.

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Bottom line that you keep avoiding is that the border was secure under Trump.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so funny!

>Biden rescinded the Trump policies and like magic the endless flow of illegal migrants started.
>And you already know the list as it's been posted previously many times.

Ooooooh! Magic Democrats!

>Bottom, bottom line, had Biden simply left things alone we would not be in this mess.

You enjoy thinking so but you're deluding yourself.

Why was the flow less under Trump? Because the unemployment rate climbed to 13%

Why has the flow increased under Biden? Because unemployment is down to nearly 13 and a
half %.


Get this through your thick skull, please.

Migrant numbers are tied directly to employment rates. As unemployment goes down, migrant
numbers go up.

Now, explain why there were so few border crossers under Obama and why his deportation
numbers were twice Trump's?

>But like
>everything King Midas In Reverse touches, this one has also turned to shit.

Meanwhile, the GOP's business donors are giving money to the Democrats precisely *because*
they're letting in the cheap labor force business depends on. Ask Lara why so many state
parties are out of cash or bankrupt. The donors have closed their checkbooks because they
don't like MAGAs, and they don't like what Republicans are threatening to do about
immigration.

>And no amount of spin from the WH trying to blame it on the republicans is going to work because
>like watching Biden fumble, mumble and fall, the people can see for themselves.

And they also see the Republicans refusing to address the issue. They also know that if
they're put in power they STILL won't do anything about it.

Why didn't they fix it in the first six years of Bush's Presidency?

Why didn't they do something about it when they had both houses under Clinton? Under
Obama? For that matter, why didn't your team do something about it during Trump's first
two years when the GOP held EVERYTHING?

REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO FIX THE BORDER and they won't, even if they sweep
Washington in November.

They've had many, many opportunities to fix it over the past half century and they've
blown it every, single time!

I'm done watching the GOP fuck up illegal immigration. Time to give the Dems a chance to
fix it.

[Governor Swill]

What a crock of shit! The "border crisis" started in the nineteen fifties and has been
going on ever since. Washington has addressed the border only once since Eisenhower left.
That was in 1986 when Reagan granted blanket amnesty to millions of them and the
Republicans' immigration bill invited more millions to come in.

>All it takes is a little digging to discover that the democrat bill allows for 5k migrants per day.
>And yes it is buried in rhetoric with conditions but take a look how the left wing media is
>attempting to spin this.

As opposed to how right wing media is trying to spin it?

It's a BILL. Debate it. Get a BETTER BILL written, then PASS IT.

>Again, for the 100th time, all Biden has to do is restore the Trump
>policies which were working.

That's a political lie. No amount of talk from Washington is going to stop them from
coming in. Another five thousand are on their way from Panama as we speak.

>Why is the left opposed to this?

They aren't. The left is onboard to pass a comprehensive bill. They're also on board to
provide more resources to CBP.

Why aren't the Republicans willing to do both?

[John Doe]

Thanks for posting this. It's amazing how many of the Fox viewers are
either totally unaware of history, or they believe the Fox alternate
history version. If they truly understood that there was a months-long
bipartisan effort recently to at least put a bandaid on this and then
Trump shot it down to keep Biden from getting a "win" they would be
incensed.

>
> Swill
>

[da pickle]

As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will
go away. "Social welfare" is killing our country. It will not be long
now.

[da pickle]

On 2/20/2024 10:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the border. However by executive
>> order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to actually close the
>> border.
>
> No, he doesn't. He can declare it closed all he wants but that won't physically restrain
> them from coming.
>
> Put them to work contributing to the economy and paying taxes.
>
> Swill

Why not put those on welfare already "to work"???????

[da pickle]

Swill ... I really believe you are smarter than this. This is just swill.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 9:43 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
>> to the big walls. They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
>> being released.
>
> So . . .<chuckle> You're claming that they're walking through the entry ports . . .
> <giggle> . . . and being allowed to come right in? <guffaw>
>
>> Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?
>
> I've seen bullshit articles misrepresenting the images shown. Is that what you mean?
>
> Swill

Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"

There really are crowds ... there is really evidence ... you seem to be
unable to look and see the evidence. Even NBC shows the evidence that
you claim is bullshit.

Why? I do not want to believe you are than disingenuous.

[da pickle]

Well stated ... straight from MSMBC ... always good to get the truth the
whole truth and nothing but the truth.

All problems would be solved if only we listened to the truth and only
the truth.

[Ubiquitous]

No, but more money for border enforcement is definitely needed. And until Trump
ordered Republiscums/QAnon not to cooperate, the Republiscums/QAnon were about
to allocate it.

[Ubiquitous]

On 2/20/2024 10:18 AM, da pickle wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 9:43 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
>>> to the big walls.  They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
>>> being released.
>>
>> So . . .<chuckle>  You're claming that they're walking through the entry ports
>> . . .
>> <giggle> . . . and being allowed to come right in?  <guffaw>
>>
>>> Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?
>>
>> I've seen bullshit articles misrepresenting the images shown.  Is that what
>> you mean?
>>
>> Swill
>
> Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"

You've already been instructed on this. It's *your* job to supply the proof of
what you claim.

[Ubiquitous]

Can you prove that what they said is false? Didn't think so...

[da pickle]

Here is the first of over 700,000 hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfeeTFP3qco

It is easy to google stuff ... you should learn how to do it.

[da pickle]

Can you prove that what they said was the truth?

[Ubiquitous]

On 2/20/2024 2:54 PM, da pickle wrote:
> On 2/20/2024 2:55 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 10:18 AM, da pickle wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2024 9:43 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
>>>>> to the big walls.  They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
>>>>> being released.
>>>>
>>>> So . . .<chuckle>  You're claming that they're walking through the entry
>>>> ports . . .
>>>> <giggle> . . . and being allowed to come right in?  <guffaw>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?
>>>>
>>>> I've seen bullshit articles misrepresenting the images shown.  Is that what
>>>> you mean?
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"
>>
>> You've already been instructed on this. It's *your* job to supply the proof of
>> what you claim.
>
> Google

You've been instructed on this. *You* Google that and post any hits that show it
here. It's your claim. You support your claim, or fuck off.

[Ubiquitous]

You're saying what they said is false. It's your burden to prove it. Get busy.

[pothead]

Because they have no intention of working.
At least not on the books.
Many actually do better on the welfare roles than actually working at an entry level job and that
is a system that is broke and needs to get fixed.

[pothead]

You have lost the plot Swill.
I agree with you on some other topics but you are 100% wrong on the border crisis.
No point in going on with this one.

[da pickle]

How many responses is enough for you?

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

He is.
He is just parroting the left wing mantra.

[da pickle]

On 2/20/2024 5:02 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 10:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the border. However by executive
>>>> order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to actually close the
>>>> border.
>>>
>>> No, he doesn't. He can declare it closed all he wants but that won't physically restrain
>>> them from coming.
>>>
>>> Put them to work contributing to the economy and paying taxes.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Why not put those on welfare already "to work"???????
>>
>
> Because they have no intention of working.
> At least not on the books.
> Many actually do better on the welfare roles than actually working at an entry level job and that
> is a system that is broke and needs to get fixed.

Of course it is ... it is not likely to ever get "fixed". We are
kicking the can down the road ... but there is an end of the road.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/20/2024 11:45 AM, John Doe wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 9:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:
>>>>> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>>>>>>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:est anyone still believe
that the MSM isn't in the tank for Joe Biden then there is no hope for
you.

Amazing isn't it?
I don't even watch Foxnews except for Mark Levin had he rarely discusses the border.
His shows are mostly about the constitution and how Biden is violating it.

[da pickle]

You really are something. I "suspect" that anything Fox News says is
biased to the "right" ... I also suspect that anything MSNBC says is
biased to the "left". Therefore, I think there is a lot of "spin" in
the news ... that is why I would never say that something heard in the
news was the "truth" without more. YMMV (and I think it does)

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/20/2024 10:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:
>>>> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net>

>>> wrote:https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/metro/nyc-spending-millions-to-clean-migrants-laundry/est

anyone still believe that the MSM isn't in the tank for Joe Biden then there is no hope for
you.
>>>>>>>>

Tax and spend.
The motto of the Democrats.
We are going to end up like Germany where we will need a wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy a
loaf of bread.

[Ubiquitous]

We're waiting for you to support your claim. Looks like you have no intention of
doing so.

[Ubiquitous]

On 2/20/2024 3:06 PM, da pickle wrote:
> On 2/20/2024 5:02 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2024 10:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the
>>>>> border. However by executive
>>>>> order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to
>>>>> actually close the
>>>>> border.
>>>>
>>>> No, he doesn't.  He can declare it closed all he wants but that won't
>>>> physically restrain
>>>> them from coming.
>>>>
>>>> Put them to work contributing to the economy and paying taxes.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Why not put those on welfare already "to work"???????
>>>
>>
>> Because they have no intention of working.
>> At least not on the books.
>> Many actually do better on the welfare roles than actually working at an entry
>> level job and that
>> is a system that is broke and needs to get fixed.
>
> Of course it is

Of course it is not. Undocumented immigrants generally cannot get welfare.

[da pickle]

All empires fail

[da pickle]

https://www.google.com/search?q=video+of+migrants+being+helped+through+barbed+wire&sca_esv=6c80f814d6743ee4&sxsrf=ACQVn09HIU0dbjnZwuQhEVwwvzIg-fLlvA%3A1708470895048&source=hp&ei=bzLVZcoO1obQ8Q-27KbQBw&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZdVAfwcuWQv-hKQijpi2xbYnYUzu9S7u&oq=&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgAqAggAMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMg0QLhjHARivARjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnMgcQIxjqAhgnSJsTUABYAHABeACQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQHIAQCoAgo&sclient=gws-wiz

Van you click ... maybe not ... too bad

[Ubiquitous]

I am your intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical superior.

> I "suspect"

The quotation marks are wrong and indicative of your illiteracy.

> that anything Fox News says is biased to the "right"

You don't merely suspect it. You know it better than you know your own name.

> ... I also suspect that anything MSNBC says is biased to the "left".

Not nearly as far or as dishonestly as Fox is to the right.

[da pickle]

They do not get "help" like "stuff" ... is that what you think?

[da pickle]

You live in your world. Enjoy it.

[Ubiquitous]

I looked at the first three. The first one showed one migrant — a small child —
being helped through the last bit of barbed wire. The person helping the child
was...wait for it...a Texas National Guardsman <chortle>.

The second and third ones did not show any migrants being helped through the
barbed wire.

None of the three showed "crowds" [sic] as you put it above.

You are such a hopeless liar.

[Ubiquitous]

The quotation marks are wrong and indicative of your illiteracy.

Undocumented immigrants don't get welfare.

[Ubiquitous]

I live in reality. You live in a sick fever dream.

[da pickle]

you likely do not like NBC news

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6zM-NtrlU

[Ubiquitous]

< chortle> Well, at least there are some crowds there, but *not* crowds of
people being helped through barbed wire. They're already well past the border.

What causes a dope like you to begin posting to Usenet at age 79?

[Mitchell Holman]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:ur3b62$2nppb$6...@dont-email.me:

Actually he is right.

Republicans don't want to fix the border
they just want to whine about it.

They did nothing to fix the border while
Trump was president, they rejected his efforts
every time, which forced Trump to raid the
Pentagon budget to fund his "beautiful wall".

https://tinyurl.com/ueu7j37

They have done nothing to fix the border
while Biden was president, preferring to let
it fester as a campaign issue.

Republicans love illegals, they are cheap
exploitable labor that make profits for the
ranchers and and meat packers and farmers and
growers who give big money the GOP.



House Republicans Don’t Want to Fix the Border
January 20, 2024
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-01-20/house-gop-threats-
to-kill-immigration-deal-show-they-re-not-serious-about-border

[da pickle]

Went you cut what was posted ... you do an unethical thing.

[Ubiquitous]

I cut it because it's irrelevant bullshit. Relevant material remains; irrelevant
bullshit is cut. That's how it works, newbie.

[da pickle]

Folks like you ruin newsgroups.

Migrants who choose to go to NYC get a lot of "welfare" ... not the kind
others get ... just the kinds they get.

New York wants lots of money to give them that welfare.

Run away again and try to find another newsgroup to kill.

[da pickle]

On 2/20/2024 9:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
> Republicans love illegals, they are cheap
> exploitable labor that make profits for the
> ranchers and and meat packers and farmers and
> growers who give big money the GOP.

Sorry to cut all that other stuff.

So, all those illegals asking and getting to go to NYC are just going
for the cheap job available there?

Try to just answer this question without a diversion ...

[We will move to those others that seem to be lining the streets of
cities all over the USA at a later time.]

[Ubiquitous]

Nope.

>
> Migrants who choose to go to NYC get a lot of "welfare"

No.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/20/2024 5:09 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2024 10:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>>>>essage-ID: <hq8BN.153115$taff....@fx41.iad>

Indeed. And they all have many things in common that caused them to fail.
Humanity never seems to learn from it's mistakes.

[John Doe]

This summary is right on the nose. If Republicans genuinely wanted to
stop the flow, they would support penalties for companies (like Trump's)
who hire people here without work permits.

Since the majority of such people fly here and overstay their visas,
that would be far more effective than a stunningly expensive wall that
does nothing about the coasts or the other border and remains a hugely
expensive maintenance problem that is still defeatable with ropes and
ladders and digging.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:54:25 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 2:55 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 10:18 AM, da pickle wrote:
>>> On 2/19/2024 9:43 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:05:36 -0600, da pickle
>>>> <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Swill ... millions of people are NOT swimming the river or sneaking up
>>>>> to the big walls.  They are walking in and getting a piece of paper and
>>>>> being released.
>>>>
>>>> So . . .<chuckle>  You're claming that they're walking through the
>>>> entry ports . . .
>>>> <giggle> . . . and being allowed to come right in?  <guffaw>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't you see the news reports that show the crowds?
>>>>
>>>> I've seen bullshit articles misrepresenting the images shown.  Is
>>>> that what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"
>>
>> You've already been instructed on this. It's *your* job to supply the
>> proof of what you claim.
>
>Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"
>

>Here is the first of over 700,000 hits.
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfeeTFP3qco
>
>It is easy to google stuff ... you should learn how to do it.
>

They're being arrested! WTF is wrong with you guys? You gonna leave people turning to
hamburger under barbed wire or drowning in the river? Did you throw your babies down the
well when you'd had enough of them?

What kind of animals are you people?

Swill
--
Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

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Putin tse prezervatyv! Putin is a condom!

Go here to donate to Ukrainian relief.
<https://www2.deloitte.com/ua/uk/pages/registration-forms/help-cities.html>

[Governor Swill]

The problem is, your statement makes it sound like they're being helped to sneak in. That
is not the case. Every video I've seen is either an arrest in progress or someone having
enough compassion to help disentangle another human being from barbed wire. You ever been
caught in barbed wire?

Wtf is wrong with you animals?

Swill
NP: Mozart: Sinfonia Concertante In E Flat, K 364 - 1. Allegro Maestoso

[Governor Swill]

These are desperate people taking enormous risks to come to America and make a better life
for themselves and their kids.

ID them and let them find work.

Swill

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 10:45:50 -0700, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 9:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:

<snip>

>>>> One of the many things people can see for themselves is that congress
>>>> worked months to create a bill that would give more funding for the
>>>> border issues and then Trump told his minions to axe it because he
>>>> didn't want Biden to get a "win." That's Trump in a nutshell.
>>>>
>>> Wrong.
>>> The border crisis started under Biden and people know this.
>>
>> What a crock of shit! The "border crisis" started in the nineteen fifties and has been
>> going on ever since. Washington has addressed the border only once since Eisenhower left.
>> That was in 1986 when Reagan granted blanket amnesty to millions of them and the
>> Republicans' immigration bill invited more millions to come in.
>>
>>> All it takes is a little digging to discover that the democrat bill allows for 5k migrants per day.
>>> And yes it is buried in rhetoric with conditions but take a look how the left wing media is
>>> attempting to spin this.
>>
>> As opposed to how right wing media is trying to spin it?
>>
>> It's a BILL. Debate it. Get a BETTER BILL written, then PASS IT.
>>
>>> Again, for the 100th time, all Biden has to do is restore the Trump
>>> policies which were working.
>>
>> That's a political lie. No amount of talk from Washington is going to stop them from
>> coming in. Another five thousand are on their way from Panama as we speak.
>>
>>> Why is the left opposed to this?
>>
>> They aren't. The left is onboard to pass a comprehensive bill. They're also on board to
>> provide more resources to CBP.
>>
>> Why aren't the Republicans willing to do both?
>

>Thanks for posting this. It's amazing how many of the Fox viewers are
>either totally unaware of history, or they believe the Fox alternate
>history version. If they truly understood that there was a months-long
>bipartisan effort recently to at least put a bandaid on this and then
>Trump shot it down to keep Biden from getting a "win" they would be
>incensed.

Sadly, they would not. They would be too busy kissing their wall portrait of Trump and
thanking Him for warning them that Congress was trying to solve a problem that clearly
belongs to Him.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:36:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 11:45 AM, John Doe wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 9:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:

>>>>> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:

>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>>>>>>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net>
>>>> wrote:https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/metro/nyc-spending-millions-to-clean-migrants-laundry/
>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bottom line that you keep avoiding is that the border was secure
>>>>>> under Trump.

>>>>>> Biden rescinded the Trump policies and like magic the endless flow
>>>>>> of illegal migrants started.
>>>>>> And you already know the list as it's been posted previously many
>>>>>> times.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> Bottom, bottom line, had Biden simply left things alone we would

>>>>>> not be in this mess. But like

>>>>>> everything King Midas In Reverse touches, this one has also turned
>>>>>> to shit.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> And no amount of spin from the WH trying to blame it on the
>>>>>> republicans is going to work because
>>>>>> like watching Biden fumble, mumble and fall, the people can see for
>>>>>> themselves.
>>>>>>

>Well stated ... straight from MSMBC ... always good to get the truth the
>whole truth and nothing but the truth.
>

>All problems would be solved if only we listened to the truth and only
>the truth.
>

What did I say that was inaccurate?

I dare you.

Swill
NP: AC/DC - Thunderstruck (Live)

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:55:22 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 2:56 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

>> Can you prove that what they said is false? Didn't think so...
>
>Can you prove that what they said was the truth?
>

Eisenhower era:
Operation Wetback
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback>

"The Largest Mass Deportation in American History
As many as 1.3 million people may have been swept up in the Eisenhower-era campaign called
'Operation Wetback.'"
<https://www.history.com/news/operation-wetback-eisenhower-1954-deportation>

"1954 - 1955 Even as the Bracero program continued to recruit temporary workers from
Mexico, the Immigration Bureau led round ups of Mexican nationals. The Bureau claimed to
have deported one million Mexicans."
https://immigrationhistory.org/item/operation-wetback/

There was a revamp of US immigration policy in 1965 but it was not targeted at the
southern border or addressing those crossings.

Reagan describes the Immigration Act of 1986 as the most comprehensive immigration
overhaul since 1952.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvZ0QHpxmRs

"Ronald Reagan - "I Believe in Amnesty for Illegal Aliens""
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ednq_vKPdQE

Last fall:
The supplemental requests funding for border enforcement to reflect the evolving needs of
the Department and funds additional resources for CBP, ICE, and USCIS to cover projected
shortfalls and hire additional personnel to help right-size a system that was not built to
manage the level of encounters we are experiencing ...Oct 20, 2023

Biden-Harris Administration Supplemental Funding Request
https://www.dhs.gov/news/2023/10/20/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-supplemental-funding-request

Turned down by Republicans as was his request the previous year.

2 weeks ago:
"In Senate Floor Speech, Sinema Sends Message to Partisans Blocking Bipartisan Border
Security Bill"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELc3DAGk5o

Yesterday:
"Bipartisan House members unveil new border, foreign aid proposal
It's not yet clear if House GOP leadership would consider the proposal."
<https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bipartisan-house-members-unveil-new-border-foreign-aid/story?id=107348740>

Anything else you want to say I'm lying about?

Swill

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:08:40 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 5:01 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

>> You're saying what they said is false. It's your burden to prove it. Get
>> busy.
>

>You really are something. I "suspect" that anything Fox News says is
>biased to the "right" ... I also suspect that anything MSNBC says is
>biased to the "left". Therefore, I think there is a lot of "spin" in
>the news ... that is why I would never say that something heard in the
>news was the "truth" without more. YMMV (and I think it does)

"straight from MSMBC" was something YOU said. There was nothing above which was
attributed to MSNBC except by you.

The information I gave you came from multiple sources over time. If you'll check my post
backing up my claims with cites, you'll have great difficulty trying to lay all the blame
on MSNBC, leftists or make the charge stick that I was telling anything but the truth.

I have supported the claims I made in my post with multiple cites. Deal with it.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:23:13 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 5:16 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 3:08 PM, da pickle wrote:

<snip>

>>> ... I also suspect that anything MSNBC says is biased to the "left".
>>
>> Not nearly as far or as dishonestly as Fox is to the right.
>
>You live in your world. Enjoy it.

He's quite right and I can prove it. 787 million times.

I have caught Fox in MANY blatant lies. Worse, I have caught them doubling down on lies
they KNEW were lies. The last straw, and the reason I stopped watching Fox, was when Bill
O'Reilly insisted there were no homeless veterans. Next day, a group of homeless veterans
began picketing Faux. The backlash became loud enough that O'Reilly backtracked a bit
saying that while there were a few homeless vets, the problem wasn't serious. The VA had
been preparing a report and released it within days of this putting the number north of a
quarter million and noting that substance abuse and suicide rates among veterans were very
high as well.

Most of us will remember the VA scandals that broke out during Bush's Presidency. The
Walter Reed scandal was as disgusting an expose of government failure as there ever has
been yet Fox continued to downplay it.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal>

So don't aim your backpfeifengesicht at me and claim Fox News is honest, fair and
balanced, or even reliable.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:11:42 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will
>go away.

Unless a Republican is President in which case they can't print it fast enough.

Now, tell us how you're going to pay the border guards and processing clerks if not with
money?

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:09:45 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Tax and spend.
>The motto of the Democrats.
>We are going to end up like Germany where we will need a wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy a
>loaf of bread.

Borrow and spend.
The motto of the Republicans.
If we need to do something Republicans don't want to do, say, secure the border or pass
effective immigration legislation, Republicans will complain we don't have the money.

But when they want to pass trillion dollar tax breaks for the investor class - hold onto
your hats so they don't get sucked into the backwash of tax revenues blowing away!

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:14:21 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 5:09 PM, pothead wrote:

>> On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> On 2/20/2024 10:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net>

>>>>> wrote:https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/metro/nyc-spending-millions-to-clean-migrants-laundry/est
>> anyone still believe that the MSM isn't in the tank for Joe Biden then there is no hope for
>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>

>>>> Swill

>>>
>>> As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will

>>> go away. "Social welfare" is killing our country. It will not be long
>>> now.
>>

>> Tax and spend.
>> The motto of the Democrats.
>> We are going to end up like Germany where we will need a wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy a
>> loaf of bread.
>

>All empires fail
>

Yes they do.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:13:00 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 10:14 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Close the border is being used as a turn of phrase to mean secure the border. However by executive
>>> order, Biden can approve the border bill and yes, he also has the power to actually close the
>>> border.
>>

>> No, he doesn't. He can declare it closed all he wants but that won't physically restrain
>> them from coming.
>>
>> Put them to work contributing to the economy and paying taxes.
>>
>> Swill
>
>Why not put those on welfare already "to work"???????
>

Given our unemployment rate is flirting with 3.5%, I'd say we already have.

Swill
NP: AC/DC - Shoot To Thrill

[da pickle]

That is exactly what is happening ... but they are not finding work.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:02:55 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Because they have no intention of working.
>At least not on the books.
>Many actually do better on the welfare roles than actually working at an entry level job and that
>is a system that is broke and needs to get fixed.

More Reaganesque welfare mythology.

Swill

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:15:02 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 10:31 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bottom line that you keep avoiding is that the border was secure under Trump.
>>

>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so funny!

>>
>>> Biden rescinded the Trump policies and like magic the endless flow of illegal migrants started.
>>> And you already know the list as it's been posted previously many times.
>>

>> Ooooooh! Magic Democrats!

>>
>>> Bottom, bottom line, had Biden simply left things alone we would not be in this mess.
>>

>> You enjoy thinking so but you're deluding yourself.
>>
>> Why was the flow less under Trump? Because the unemployment rate climbed to 13%
>>
>> Why has the flow increased under Biden? Because unemployment is down to nearly 13 and a
>> half %.
>>
>>
>> Get this through your thick skull, please.
>>
>> Migrant numbers are tied directly to employment rates. As unemployment goes down, migrant
>> numbers go up.
>>
>> Now, explain why there were so few border crossers under Obama and why his deportation
>> numbers were twice Trump's?
>>

>>> But like
>>> everything King Midas In Reverse touches, this one has also turned to shit.
>>

>> Meanwhile, the GOP's business donors are giving money to the Democrats precisely *because*
>> they're letting in the cheap labor force business depends on. Ask Lara why so many state
>> parties are out of cash or bankrupt. The donors have closed their checkbooks because they
>> don't like MAGAs, and they don't like what Republicans are threatening to do about
>> immigration.
>>

>>> And no amount of spin from the WH trying to blame it on the republicans is going to work because
>>> like watching Biden fumble, mumble and fall, the people can see for themselves.
>>

>> And they also see the Republicans refusing to address the issue. They also know that if
>> they're put in power they STILL won't do anything about it.
>>
>> Why didn't they fix it in the first six years of Bush's Presidency?
>>
>> Why didn't they do something about it when they had both houses under Clinton? Under
>> Obama? For that matter, why didn't your team do something about it during Trump's first
>> two years when the GOP held EVERYTHING?
>>
>> REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO FIX THE BORDER and they won't, even if they sweep
>> Washington in November.
>>
>> They've had many, many opportunities to fix it over the past half century and they've
>> blown it every, single time!
>>
>> I'm done watching the GOP fuck up illegal immigration. Time to give the Dems a chance to
>> fix it.

>Swill ... I really believe you are smarter than this. This is just swill.

It's FACT. Embarrassed by the truth? You should be. The border has been a problem since
Eisenhower. Tell us when the GOP fixed it and then explain how they did it so effectively
that there's been no illegal immigration since.

Tell us what border legislation the GOP passed between 1995 and 2001. Between 2003 and
2007.

How about between 2015 and 2017?

Explain that I'm wrong because Trump and the GOP dealt with it between 2017 and 2019.

Tell us how Reagan's 1986 bill fixed the problem forever.

"Why were the employer restrictions so ineffective?

"During the debate in Congress, the bill's sponsors ended up watering down the sanctions
on employers to attract support from the business community, explains Wayne Cornelius of
the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at U.C. San Diego. "The end result was that
they essentially gutted the employer sanctions," he says."
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/>

Have I not said often that the US chamber of commerce and other business interests caused
the Republicans to dump the employer sanctions? What the hell good does it do to tell
business to not hire illegals if there aren't any penalties for doing it?

We need heavy fines and prison time for employers who hire these wetbacks. If they want
to import cheap labor, let it be legally done.

Swill
NP: AC/DC - Heatseeker (Live)

[da pickle]

On 2/21/2024 4:16 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 17:23:13 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/20/2024 5:16 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> On 2/20/2024 3:08 PM, da pickle wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> ... I also suspect that anything MSNBC says is biased to the "left".
>>>
>>> Not nearly as far or as dishonestly as Fox is to the right.
>>
>> You live in your world. Enjoy it.
>
> He's quite right and I can prove it. 787 million times.
>
> I have caught Fox in MANY blatant lies. Worse, I have caught them doubling down on lies
> they KNEW were lies. The last straw, and the reason I stopped watching Fox, was when Bill
> O'Reilly insisted there were no homeless veterans. Next day, a group of homeless veterans
> began picketing Faux. The backlash became loud enough that O'Reilly backtracked a bit
> saying that while there were a few homeless vets, the problem wasn't serious. The VA had
> been preparing a report and released it within days of this putting the number north of a
> quarter million and noting that substance abuse and suicide rates among veterans were very
> high as well.
>
> Most of us will remember the VA scandals that broke out during Bush's Presidency. The
> Walter Reed scandal was as disgusting an expose of government failure as there ever has
> been yet Fox continued to downplay it.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Reed_Army_Medical_Center_neglect_scandal>
>
> So don't aim your backpfeifengesicht at me and claim Fox News is honest, fair and
> balanced, or even reliable.
>
> Swill

As a veteran, I am not at all happy with the way the USA treats veterans
... but the problems have never stopped in ... well forever that I know
of. It is not a Democrat problem and it is not a Republican problem,
but it is a problem.

Fox News is biased strongly to the right ... whatever that means.
Unfortunately, there is not really another news source that is equal to
Fox. Most if not all of the available news media is biased to the left
with MSNBC the worst. It is not the lies ... it is the selection of
what to broadcast and how it is edited or praised or condemned. Bending
the truth is not that difficult in our current state of affairs.

I agree, Fox News is guilty. I do not agree that the others are free
from bias. Again, your mileage may vary.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:05:32 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>He is.
>He is just parroting the left wing mantra.

And you're lying. What's worse is, you KNOW you're lying. Nothing I've said above is
"left wing mantra". The left doesn't like my border solution. Neither does the right.
This tells me I'm on the right track. :)

Swill
NP: AC/DC - The Jack

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:04:34 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>You have lost the plot Swill.
>I agree with you on some other topics but you are 100% wrong on the border crisis.
>No point in going on with this one.

No, I'm not. You just don't have the balls to admit your party has screwed up immigration
for eighty years.

Actually, Eisenhower had it well in hand until some racists decided to initiate Operation
Wetback.

Swill

[da pickle]

What did you say that was accurate?

You accept as true what some source said ... I question your source, not
you. You believe what you believe to be true but it may not be totally
accurate. You reject (sometimes) an opposing view of the same
generalizations.

[da pickle]

We agree on that.

[da pickle]

On 2/21/2024 4:20 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 23:09:45 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> Tax and spend.
>> The motto of the Democrats.
>> We are going to end up like Germany where we will need a wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy a
>> loaf of bread.
>
> Borrow and spend.
> The motto of the Republicans.
> If we need to do something Republicans don't want to do, say, secure the border or pass
> effective immigration legislation, Republicans will complain we don't have the money.
>
> But when they want to pass trillion dollar tax breaks for the investor class - hold onto
> your hats so they don't get sucked into the backwash of tax revenues blowing away!
>
> Swill

Too much generalization ... those tax increases and those tax benefits
are supported by all sides of the aisle. The various compromises differ
from time to time, but nothing gets through without a lot of
compromises. It has been going on for a long long time and it will not
stop until the next cataclysm occurs.

[da pickle]

On 2/21/2024 4:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:11:42 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will
>> go away.
>
> Unless a Republican is President in which case they can't print it fast enough.
>
> Now, tell us how you're going to pay the border guards and processing clerks if not with
> money?
>
> Swill

Funny you seem to think the current administration is not printing it
right this minute. It may take a revolution to change the direction ...
but that might just make things worse.

We will kick the can down the road all the way to the end.

[da pickle]

I wish what you seem to think was true was indeed true.

Why do you think Canada will not take in all the migrants? They could
really take over the world with all that cheap labor.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 03:23:20 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:

>pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:ur3b62$2nppb$6...@dont-email.me:
>

>> You have lost the plot Swill.
>> I agree with you on some other topics but you are 100% wrong on the
>> border crisis. No point in going on with this one.
>
>

> Actually he is right.
>
> Republicans don't want to fix the border
>they just want to whine about it.

Further, Republicans in the House are refusing to consider any bipartisan effort at
resolution because Trump needs it as a campaign issue. This is common knowledge and has
been admitted by Congress Critters on both sides of the aisle.


" Senior Senate Republicans are furious that Donald Trump may have killed an emerging
bipartisan deal over the southern border, depriving them of a key legislative achievement
on a pressing national priority and offering a preview of what’s to come with Trump as
their likely presidential nominee.

"In recent weeks, Trump has been lobbying Republicans both in private conversations and in
public statements on social media to oppose the border compromise being delicately hashed
out in the Senate, according to GOP sources familiar with the conversations – in part
because he wants to campaign on the issue this November and doesn’t want President Joe
Biden to score a victory in an area where he is politically vulnerable. "
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/25/politics/gop-senators-angry-trump-immigration-deal/index.html

"'Immoral': Some Republicans rebuke efforts to kill immigration deal to help Trump
The fight over an emerging border and foreign aid bill grew tense Thursday as the GOP
split over whether to sink the deal to boost Donald Trump's presidential campaign."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/immoral-republicans-rebuke-efforts-kill-immigration-deal-help-trump-rcna135732

"Sen. Thom Tillis, R-N.C., urged his colleagues not to make it all about politics at the
behest of another candidate.

“I didn’t come here to have the president as a boss or a candidate as a boss. I came here
to pass good, solid policy," Tillis said. “It is immoral for me to think you looked the
other way because you think this is the linchpin for President Trump to win.”"

“I want a negotiation that will actually secure the border, where they can’t weasel out of
it, they can’t drive a semi-truck through loopholes that are created in it,” Sen. Ron
Johnson, R-Wis., told reporters.

But isn't that exactly what Republicans did in 1986 when they removed employer sanctions
for hiring illegals?

The GOP is refusing to consider any border solution for one reason only. Handing such a
victory to Biden would cripple Trump's campaign.

The Democrats have shown before they know how to take Republicans' core issues away and
neutralize them.

> They did nothing to fix the border while
>Trump was president, they rejected his efforts
>every time, which forced Trump to raid the
>Pentagon budget to fund his "beautiful wall".
>
>https://tinyurl.com/ueu7j37
>
> They have done nothing to fix the border
>while Biden was president, preferring to let
>it fester as a campaign issue.
>
> Republicans love illegals, they are cheap
>exploitable labor that make profits for the
>ranchers and and meat packers and farmers and
>growers who give big money the GOP.
>

>House Republicans Don’t Want to Fix the Border
>January 20, 2024
<https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-01-20/house-gop-threats-to-kill-immigration-deal-show-they-re-not-serious-about-border>

Swill
NP: AC/DC - Hell's Bells (Live)

[da pickle]

Your opinion is noted ... you think the overwhelming influx of migrants
is good and others disagree. It is not a lie.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> As a veteran, I am not at all happy with the way the USA treats
> veterans ... but the problems have never stopped in ... well
> forever that I know of.  It is not a Democrat problem and it is
> not a Republican problem, but it is a problem.
>

I blame Biden.

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[pothead]

So when did this border crisis begin?
Under Trump?
Or under Biden.



--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Governor Swill]

Not all of them. There are too many now. With Venezuela a failed state and most of
Central America crime ridden hell holes, there are just too many. We may already be too
late in building deep desert camps for the excess and returnees.

Jon Steward featured Tucker Carlson on The Daily Show Monday. Word is Tucker now has two
assholes.

[Governor Swill]

I don't care about bias. I can read through bias. What is harder to deal with is
outright lies. Such are common on Fox, less so in left and centrist media. They all have
their bias, but Fox is alone in its tendency to deliberately lie for profit.

[Governor Swill]

Then you still don't understand my view. This overwhelming influx is only overwhelming
because we have utterly failed to maintain immigration in a way that reflects the
realities of modern life because Congress has refused to appropriate resources and pass
legislation to do so. When the Dems are in power, the Republicans put a halt to any
attempts by the Dems to resolve it because they don't want them to get credit for fixing
it. When the GOP is in power, they won't do anything to resolve it because they don't
want it resolved.

As for 'the lie', John Doe and I made statements about the border issue and you seemed to
question their veracity. I have now successfully cited my statements.

We can't just wave our hands or pass a law and the whole problem goes away. We're going
to need discussion and resources. We can't deport them if it takes a year to get a date
for deportation. We can't process asylees if it takes a year to get a hearing.

Like it or not we are a nation of laws. If you don't like the laws, pressure your reps to
change them. Don't just break them.

Stewart's "Moment of zen" was Putin complaining that Tucker didn't ask him any of the
"hard questions".

[Governor Swill]

I have repeatedly cited sources for this in various posts on the subject. Basically, a
bipartisan attempt was made to get control of the border. Trump told the House caucus to
defeat any attempt to do so because he wants the issue to campaign on.

This is disingenuous at least, and it is fact.

The Democrats were willing to appropriate funds for the back end of border processing,
funds for the border itself and are in support of developing a more comprehensive package
such as the one the Republicans just shot down.

These also are facts.

Now in those two paragraphs, what did I say that was not accurate? And please, don't
dodge answering this time.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 17:34:07 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/20/2024 5:09 PM, pothead wrote:

>>> On 2024-02-20, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>> On 2/20/2024 10:36 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 04:04:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>>>>>essage-ID: <hq8BN.153115$taff....@fx41.iad>

>>>>>> On 2024-02-20, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/19/2024 4:52 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 01:59:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 17:19:46 -0500, "68g.1509" <68g....@exr3.net>

>>>>>> wrote:https://nypost.com/2023/10/26/metro/nyc-spending-millions-to-clean-migrants-laundry/est
>>> anyone still believe that the MSM isn't in the tank for Joe Biden then there is no hope for
>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>> Swill

>>>>
>>>> As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will

>>>> go away. "Social welfare" is killing our country. It will not be long
>>>> now.
>>>

>>> Tax and spend.
>>> The motto of the Democrats.
>>> We are going to end up like Germany where we will need a wheelbarrow to carry the money to buy a
>>> loaf of bread.
>>

>> All empires fail
>>
>
>Indeed. And they all have many things in common that caused them to fail.
>Humanity never seems to learn from it's mistakes.

*sigh* It's the cycle of life. It's entropy. Nothing lasts forever.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:53:36 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Too much generalization ... those tax increases and those tax benefits
>are supported by all sides of the aisle. The various compromises differ
>from time to time, but nothing gets through without a lot of
>compromises. It has been going on for a long long time and it will not
>stop until the next cataclysm occurs.

Really? Trumps Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 passed both Houses on party line votes.

"On November 9, 2017, the House Ways and Means Committee passed the bill on a party-line
vote, advancing the bill to the House floor. The House passed the bill on November 16,
2017, on a mostly-party line vote of 227–205. No Democrat voted for the bill, while 13
Republicans voted against it."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_Cuts_and_Jobs_Act>

"Republican Tax Bill Passes Senate in 51-48 Vote"
<https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/us/politics/tax-bill-vote-congress.html>

Not one House Democrat voted for it.
<https://publicintegrity.org/inequality-poverty-opportunity/taxes/trumps-tax-cuts/republicans-profit-congress/>

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:55:30 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/21/2024 4:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 12:11:42 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As always ... print more money and throw it at the "problem" and it will
>>> go away.
>>
>> Unless a Republican is President in which case they can't print it fast enough.
>>
>> Now, tell us how you're going to pay the border guards and processing clerks if not with
>> money?

>Funny you seem to think the current administration is not printing it
>right this minute. It may take a revolution to change the direction ...
>but that might just make things worse.

I said no such thing and you're trying to doge the question again.

Tell us how you're going to pay the border guards and processing clerks if not with money?

Swill

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 16:58:03 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Why do you think Canada will not take in all the migrants? They could
>really take over the world with all that cheap labor.

Canada isn't populous enough to absorb them. The vast majority of Canadians live within
fifty miles of the US border. The vastness of the interior is largely uninhabited and
frozen much, if not most of the year. Canada only accepts folks with money and specific
skills they're looking for. Canada has only recently had to deal with the low birth rates
so common today. With the fading of oil income and the population reduction they'll be
experiencing, expect them to change their immigration requirements.

Swill

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:20:39 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>So, all those illegals asking and getting to go to NYC are just going
>for the cheap job available there?

Why are you fixated on the migrants who were shipped to New York?

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:05:12 -0700, John Doe <No...@private.corp> wrote:

>On 2/20/2024 8:23 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:ur3b62$2nppb$6...@dont-email.me:
>>

>>> On 2024-02-20, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:52:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>>>> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bottom line that you keep avoiding is that the border was secure
>>>>> under Trump.
>>>>

>>>> BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so funny!

>>>>
>>>>> Biden rescinded the Trump policies and like magic the endless flow of
>>>>> illegal migrants started. And you already know the list as it's been
>>>>> posted previously many times.
>>>>

>>>> Ooooooh! Magic Democrats!

>>>>
>>>>> Bottom, bottom line, had Biden simply left things alone we would not
>>>>> be in this mess.
>>>>

>>>> You enjoy thinking so but you're deluding yourself.
>>>>
>>>> Why was the flow less under Trump? Because the unemployment rate
>>>> climbed to 13%
>>>>
>>>> Why has the flow increased under Biden? Because unemployment is down
>>>> to nearly 13 and a half %.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get this through your thick skull, please.
>>>>
>>>> Migrant numbers are tied directly to employment rates. As
>>>> unemployment goes down, migrant numbers go up.
>>>>
>>>> Now, explain why there were so few border crossers under Obama and
>>>> why his deportation numbers were twice Trump's?
>>>>

>>>>> But like
>>>>> everything King Midas In Reverse touches, this one has also turned to
>>>>> shit.
>>>>

>>>> Meanwhile, the GOP's business donors are giving money to the
>>>> Democrats precisely *because* they're letting in the cheap labor
>>>> force business depends on. Ask Lara why so many state parties are
>>>> out of cash or bankrupt. The donors have closed their checkbooks
>>>> because they don't like MAGAs, and they don't like what Republicans
>>>> are threatening to do about immigration.
>>>>

>>>>> And no amount of spin from the WH trying to blame it on the
>>>>> republicans is going to work because like watching Biden fumble,
>>>>> mumble and fall, the people can see for themselves.
>>>>

>>>> And they also see the Republicans refusing to address the issue.
>>>> They also know that if they're put in power they STILL won't do
>>>> anything about it.
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't they fix it in the first six years of Bush's Presidency?
>>>>
>>>> Why didn't they do something about it when they had both houses under
>>>> Clinton? Under Obama? For that matter, why didn't your team do
>>>> something about it during Trump's first two years when the GOP held
>>>> EVERYTHING?
>>>>
>>>> REPUBLICANS DON'T WANT TO FIX THE BORDER and they won't, even
>>>> if they sweep Washington in November.
>>>>
>>>> They've had many, many opportunities to fix it over the past half
>>>> century and they've blown it every, single time!
>>>>
>>>> I'm done watching the GOP fuck up illegal immigration. Time to give
>>>> the Dems a chance to fix it.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> You have lost the plot Swill.
>>> I agree with you on some other topics but you are 100% wrong on the
>>> border crisis. No point in going on with this one.
>>
>>

>> Actually he is right.
>>
>> Republicans don't want to fix the border
>> they just want to whine about it.
>>

>> They did nothing to fix the border while
>> Trump was president, they rejected his efforts
>> every time, which forced Trump to raid the
>> Pentagon budget to fund his "beautiful wall".
>>
>> https://tinyurl.com/ueu7j37
>>
>> They have done nothing to fix the border
>> while Biden was president, preferring to let
>> it fester as a campaign issue.
>>
>> Republicans love illegals, they are cheap
>> exploitable labor that make profits for the
>> ranchers and and meat packers and farmers and
>> growers who give big money the GOP.
>>
>>
>

>This summary is right on the nose. If Republicans genuinely wanted to
>stop the flow, they would support penalties for companies (like Trump's)
>who hire people here without work permits.
>
>Since the majority of such people fly here and overstay their visas,
>that would be far more effective than a stunningly expensive wall that
>does nothing about the coasts or the other border and remains a hugely
>expensive maintenance problem that is still defeatable with ropes and
>ladders and digging.

Well said. The GOP reveals its racism by fixating on the brown illegals crossing the
southern border. They completely disregard the majority of illegals, visa overstayers.

Swill

>
>>
>> House Republicans Don’t Want to Fix the Border
>> January 20, 2024
>> https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-01-20/house-gop-threats-
>> to-kill-immigration-deal-show-they-re-not-serious-about-border

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 01:51:31 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>So when did this border crisis begin?
>Under Trump?
>Or under Biden.

Under Eisenhower.

[Mr. B1ack]

On 2/21/2024 9:29 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 11:20:39 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So, all those illegals asking and getting to go to NYC are just going
>> for the cheap job available there?
>
> Why are you fixated on the migrants who were shipped to New York?

by right-wingnut knuckle-dragging shithole red-state governors?