Arlington Topography, Obstacles Make American Flight 77 Final Leg Impossible

[Nomen Nescio]

http://911blogger.com/node/14354

By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth

03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
"final leg" to the Pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will
demonstrate.

According to the government, American 77 final approach to the pentagon is depicted
below.

(Picture Courtesy Citizen Investigation Team, Click to Enlarge)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/VDOTAntennaAerial.jpg

You'll notice the Virginia Department Of Transportation (VDOT) Antenna rising from
the ground in the reported flight path of American 77. This antenna has been
determined to be 169 ft above the ground with a ground elevation of 135 feet (FCC
Registration Number 1016111).

(Picture Courtesy Citizen Investigation Team, Click to Enlarge)

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/VDOTAntennaDescentAngle2.jpg

For those who have seen Pandora's Black Box - Chapter Two - Flight American 77, you
will recall the government claims American 77 struck down light poles on Washington
Blvd of which the first pole is 2400 feet east of the above antenna. The topography
in this area slopes down significantly once east of the Navy Annex/VDOT Antenna on
its way to the Pentagon. The ground elevation of the pentagon is 33 feet according
to USGS.

Based on this topography combined with the height of the VDOT Antenna protruding
into the reported flight path of American 77, it is aerodynamically and physically
impossible for this aircraft to have performed the way the government would have us
believe.

Top of VDOT Height = 304 MSL (above sea level)
Top of Pole 1 height = 80 MSL

Difference = 224 feet descent required.

Distance between VDOT - Pole 1 = 2400 feet

2400/Speed 781 feet per second (according to Flight Data Recorder) = 3 seconds

224/3 seconds = 75 fps descent rate x 60 = 4480 fpm descent rate needed to reach top
of pole 1 from top of VDOT Antenna.

Pole 1 distance to Pentagon = 1016 feet

1016 feet/781 fps = 1.3 seconds

4480 fpm descent needs to be arrested within 1.3 seconds.

75 * 1.3 = 97.5 foot descent within 1.3 seconds.

97.5/32 fps accel due to gravity = 3.0 G's + 1 G = 4.0 G's needed to arrest descent
within 1.3 seconds and 97.5 feet vertically. However, 97.5 feet vertically is not
available.

Top of pole 1 height = 80 MSL
"Impact hole" height = 33 (pentagon ground level) + 12 feet (center of pentagon hole
height) = 45 MSL

80 feet (top of pole 1) - 45 (height of "impact hole") = 35 feet vertically
available to arrest descent rate of 4480 fpm.

97.5/35 = 280% (G Load required to arrest 4480 fpm descent rate within 1.3 seconds
and 97.5 feet vertically needs to be increased by 280%.)

280% x 4.0 G's = 11.2 G's needed to arrest descent.

Conclusion = Impossible for any transport category aircraft to descend from top of
VDOT Antenna to top of pole 1 and pull level to "impact hole" as reported by the
government story and seen in the DoD "5 Frames Video". 11.2 G's was never recorded
in the FDR. 11.2 G's would rip the aircraft apart.

This does not account for response time to initiate the arrest. Increased time is
needed or higher altitude at pentagon in order to be within aircraft structural
limits, or higher peak G loads. The VDOT Antenna was present on September 11, 2001,
and was not struck by any object.

Transport Category aircraft are limited to 2.5 G's positive and 1.0 negative.
Although there is a margin of error built into these limits, it is not anywhere near
448% or 11.2 G's positive. Aerobatic Category Aircraft have a positive G load limit
of 6.0 G's. Some may argue that the flight path "just missed" the VDOT Antenna, in
which case we also worked out the numbers if the aircraft were at ground level at
the antenna. The G loads required would be ~4.3 G's. Still excessive for a transport
category aircraft. Not to mention the aircraft certainly was not at ground level
abeam the Navy Annex and such G loads were never recorded in the Flight Data
provided by the NTSB. Feel free to input the numbers yourself using above
calculations as a guide and ground elevation of antenna.

Pilots For 9/11 Truth is an organization of aviation professionals from around the
globe. The organization has analyzed Flight Data provided by the National
Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). The data does not support the government story.
The NTSB/FBI refuse to comment.

[Jude Outta Your Mind]

Nomen Nescio wrote:

This is a load of horseshit.
--
However much I may worship personality-powerful individual personality in
statesmen, inventors, artists, philosophers, or leaders, as well as the
collective personality of a historic group of human beings, which we call a
nation--however much I may worship personality, I do not regret its
disappearance. Whoever can, will, and must perish, let him perish. But the
distinctive nationality of Jews neither can, will, nor must be destroyed ~
Theodor Herzl, Father of Political Zionism

[Jude Outta Your Mind]

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> http://911blogger.com/node/14354

http://911blogger.com is an intellectual outhouse.

Here's a real clue to 9/11:

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[Nebuchadnezzar II]

4.3 Gs would not immediately break up an airliner. As mentioned, the
airliner is designed for a maximum of 2.5 Gs, but this is a sustained rate.
It would take some time for 4.3 Gs to cause a structural failure in a 757.

The author also ignores the fact that there were numerous witnesses who saw
a 757 crash into the Pentagon and nobody who saw a missile as the foil
hatters would have you believe.

But these are the tactics of the foil hatters. They think that if they
throw enough bullshit at the wall, eventually some of it will stick, so they
keep repeating the same debunked bullshit over and over and over.

Same bullshit, different day.

"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:61d734225d725abd...@dizum.com...

[Vandar]

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>
> By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>
> 03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
> to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
> pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
> Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
> flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
> aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
> "final leg" to the Pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will
> demonstrate.
>
> According to the government, American 77 final approach to the pentagon is depicted
> below.
>
> (Picture Courtesy Citizen Investigation Team, Click to Enlarge)
>
> http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/VDOTAntennaAerial.jpg
>
> You'll notice the Virginia Department Of Transportation (VDOT) Antenna rising from
> the ground in the reported flight path of American 77.

VDOT eyewitnesses reported that the plane barely missed the antenna.

> This antenna has been
> determined to be 169 ft above the ground with a ground elevation of 135 feet (FCC
> Registration Number 1016111).

The antenna with that FCC registration number is 100 miles away in
Richmond, VA.

There goes CIT's attempt to gain credibility... again.

[Al Dykes]

In article <61d734225d725abd...@dizum.com>,

Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>
>By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>
>03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
>to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
>pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
>Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
>flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
>aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77

That's nice. How does he explain all the evidence and eyewitnesses we
have for a 575 hitting the Pentagon.

The evidence; We have crash scene DNA that matches all passengers and
crew that boarded Flt77 earlier that day. We have airplane parts
specific to a 757, airplane part serial numbers specific to FLt77 and
that has never been seen, since. black boxes, Black box data that is
consistant with the path of Ftl77, luggage and jewelry identification,
radar tapes, FAA records and phone calls, all consistent with American
Airlines Boeing 757-223, registered N644AA causing all the damage on
9/11.

Boeing 757-223, registered N644AA has never been since 9/11.

The passengers and crew have never been seen since.

Mike Walters

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1177892305

"It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html

105 eyewitnesses
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/PentWitnesses.xls

Statements from 100 (est) eye witnesses, all cited too full text
sources
http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html

Details of engine parts found at Pentagon
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml

Black boxes recovered and analyzed
http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf
Discussed : http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=102924

Info on the tapes
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_6068.shtml

More eye witnesses same-day reporting
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html

Transcript of CNN broadcast of 1PM 9-11, eyewitness
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html

Perdue simulation of 757 impact
http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html

DNA matches with family members matches all but one of Pax on Flt77
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61202-2001Nov20?language=printer

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/9.11/index.html

--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

[SgtMinor]

Vandar wrote:

No, it isn't. It is registered to the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the
antenna itself is located in Arlington, VA, just West of the Pentagon at
38-52-00.0N, 077-04-08.0W, according to:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrResults.jsp;JSESSIONID_ASRSEARCH=ny5PHZySGxY3k62jvKZ68JMhC17nzyWgYcKtrTN1K2QgpDPryTG1!-1414904908!-1477871168?searchType=TRB

or http://tinyurl.com/2ksngu

You can find the antenna using Google Earth. BTW, the center of the
Pentagon is at 38-52-15-60N,77-03-21-49W.

[Nomen Nescio]

In article <gqydnZRWoZiwcUTa...@comcast.com>

You really should bother Vandar the alt.conspiracy shill because you will get
nothing but endless straw man arguements like
they are trained to spew.

[Nebuchadnezzar II]

"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message

news:eae2084bce5f29fd...@dizum.com...

Pot/Kettle.

[cmdr buzz corey]

On Mar 13, 8:10 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>
> By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>
> 03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
> to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
> pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
> Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
> flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
> aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
> "final leg" to the Pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will
> demonstrate.

More absolute BS, the only thing you have demonstrated is just how
ignorant you are.

[cmdr buzz corey]

On Mar 13, 8:54 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
> In article <61d734225d725abd9c5e0a9324c33...@dizum.com>,

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> >http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>
> >By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>
> >03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
> >to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
> >pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
> >Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
> >flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
> >aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
>
> That's nice. How does he explain all the evidence and eyewitnesses we
> have for a 575 hitting the Pentagon.
>
> The evidence; We have crash scene DNA that matches all passengers and
> crew that boarded Flt77 earlier that day. We have airplane parts
> specific to a 757, airplane part serial numbers specific to FLt77 and
> that has never been seen, since. black boxes, Black box data that is
> consistant with the path of Ftl77, luggage and jewelry identification,
> radar tapes, FAA records and phone calls, all consistent with American
> Airlines Boeing 757-223, registered N644AA causing all the damage on
> 9/11.
>

O my, there you go spitting forth facts. Don't you know that the loony
conspiracy nuts can't handle facts?

[George Orwell]

In article <pAlCj.5993$Sa1....@news02.roc.ny>

How much does KPMG or one of its clients pay you to shill on the Usenet?

Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this
non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real
reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an
di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system
Per maggiori informazioni |For more info
https://www.mixmaster.it

[Cyberiade.it Anonymous Remailer]

In article <fd60c6e6-150a-47d0...@y77g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>

Translation: I, cmdr buzz corey, have nothing to add but ad hominem attacks.

Bravo!

[Nomen Nescio]

In article <pAlCj.5993$Sa1....@news02.roc.ny>
Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

How much does KPMG or its clients pay you to shill on the Usenet?

[Nomen Nescio]

In article <ds1kt3hpgq0kqcmv7...@4ax.com>
orio...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:10:11 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> <snip much nonsense>
>
> Moron. Flight 77 struck the ground in front of the Pentagon and
> bounced up, striking it between the 1st and 2nd floors. The plane can
> be seen clearly in the far background in this series of pictures.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:757_pentagon.gif
>
> --
> The Stone Age did not end
> because we ran out of stones.

Thanks for the ad hominem attack. I love when others feel obligated to unleash these
attacks as way of showing
superior intellect. Please continue.

A Raytheon owned A-3 Skywarrior in American Airline paint scheme hit the Pentagon.
And it just so happens that five Raytheon employees tied to Global Hawk technology
coincidently perished on 9/11.

[Nebuchadnezzar II]

"Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message

news:daa3747d4c90be1c...@dizum.com...

An A-3?

You're shitting us, right?

Please tell me this is a joke and you're really not that fucking stupid.

I'll tell you one thing, you foil-hatters sure are good for comic relief if
nothing else.

That was a good one.

Please continue, if only for the entertainment value.

[This is your brain on Fox News.]

After extensively studying the facts laid out by the 9-11 truthers and
considering this latest image, I have come to one inescapable
conclusion: 9-11 truthers need to have more sex. Perhaps then you
people will calm down.

[This is your brain on Fox News.]

You might consider that the wormhole was used to get the plane past
the radio tower.

[BDK]

In article <daa3747d4c90be1c...@dizum.com>,
nob...@dizum.com says...

Where do you kooks come up with this crazy ass shit? A whole lot of
people saw it, yet you kooks invent all kinds of nonsensical kookery
like the above, or the one where a plane just missed, and flew overhead
and a missile hit instead, or whatever other Kook-Aid induced nonsense
you've dreamed up this week.

BDK

[BDK]

In article <VrpCj.22382$Ls6.13224@trnddc01>,
nebucha...@microsoft.com says...

They really have no idea how damn funny they are.

I love it.

BDK

[BDK]

In article <aa43a8615fd96d2f...@mixmaster.it>,
nob...@mixmaster.it says...

We do it for the love of laughter.

Why you do it is a matter your doctors probably could answer.

BDK

[BDK]

In article <79c63a9a60695744...@dizum.com>,
nob...@dizum.com says...
> KPMG
>

OK, so we sane people can understand your kook logic a little better,
explain the KPMG stuff, please?

I would have assumed you would have claimed CIA, NSA, etc, paid us, you
know, the usual kookish claims, or maybe the jews.

But you even thinking someone pays us to mine the comedy gold in this
group is the funniest shit you guys have come up with.

BDK

[Vandar]

My mistake. I saw a safety violation report for that structure and the
report was filed in Richmond.

[Vandar]

Nomen Nescio wrote:

Unlike the "truth" movement, I'm not afraid to admit a mistake, correct
it, and move on.

[Nebuchadnezzar II]

"BDK" <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.22444d0f7...@news.buckeye-express.com...

The A-3 nonsense was truly a jewel of hilarity. Anyone who has seen or
heard an A-3 in flight would never mistake it for an airliner.

The A-3 is about 1/3rd the size of a 757. It has almost half the wingspan
and far less than half the length. It looks and sounds like a big
fighter/bomber. A 757 looks and sounds like...an airliner. Imagine that.

This is an A-3:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/KA-3B_VAH-4_CVA-19_1967.jpeg/750px-KA-3B_VAH-4_CVA-19_1967.jpeg

This is a 757:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Air_Italy_B752_I-AIGA.jpg

It wouldn't matter if it had an "American Airline paint scheme" or not.
Nobody capable of putting a round peg in a round hole is going to confuse
the two. Even if they had almost no knowledge of aviation. Even if the
plane was going 600 kts.

It's just another case of the foil-hatters throwing as much bullshit at they
can at the wall in desperate hopes that something will stick.

[Jude Outta Your Mind]

Nebuchadnezzar II wrote:

The idea that a 757 didn't hit the Pentagon seem pretty ludicrous. I will
grant that it would be nice to have more confirmation of what happened.
Nonetheless, all the pieces fit together for a 757 threading the
needle "like a cruise missile with wings", and hitting the building with a
horizontal trajectory.

The argument appears to be that something other than an 757 was used to
spare the lives of passengers. But that is not consistent with the larger
crime. And it is not consistent with the doctrine of the perpetrators.
See the sig.

[Al Dykes]

In article <FSzCj.23$Nr1.20@trnddc01>,

An A-3 carries, at most, 12,000 pounds (6 tons) of bombs. Add the
kinetic energy of the plane, about 20 tons. The kinetic energy of a
757 at 500MPH is a equal to a 100 tons of TNT or more. Maybe 7x the
energy of the A-3.

[george]

On Mar 14, 7:30 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the ad hominem attack. I love when others feel obligated to unleash these
> attacks as way of showing
> superior intellect. Please continue.

He called a kook a kook and your posts do little to bring his opinion
of you into doubt

>
> A Raytheon owned A-3 Skywarrior in American Airline paint scheme hit the Pentagon.
> And it just so happens that five Raytheon employees tied to Global Hawk technology
> coincidently perished on 9/11.

No.
There are literally hundreds of eye witnesses who saw the aircraft
diving at the Pentagon.
Including many pilots who would have identified the aircraft as
anything other than what it was...

[Docky Wocky]

Well, after looking at the pictures, I can sure see why a cave man would
confuse the two.

[cmdr buzz corey]

On Mar 14, 12:30 am, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> In article <ds1kt3hpgq0kqcmv7p1uisbqif47qjf...@4ax.com>

Good grief, you ignorance knows no bounds.

[cmdr buzz corey]

On Mar 14, 12:55 pm, "Nebuchadnezzar II"
<nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> The A-3 nonsense was truly a jewel of hilarity. Anyone who has seen or
> heard an A-3 in flight would never mistake it for an airliner.
>
> The A-3 is about 1/3rd the size of a 757. It has almost half the wingspan
> and far less than half the length. It looks and sounds like a big
> fighter/bomber. A 757 looks and sounds like...an airliner. Imagine that.
>

> This is an A-3:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/KA-3B_VAH-4_...
>
> This is a 757:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Air_Italy_B752_I-A...

[cmdr buzz corey]

On Mar 14, 12:55 pm, "Nebuchadnezzar II"
<nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com> wrote:

> "BDK" <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.22444d0f7...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>
>
>

> > In article <daa3747d4c90be1c57aa5ab7178d1...@dizum.com>,
> > nob...@dizum.com says...
> >> In article <ds1kt3hpgq0kqcmv7p1uisbqif47qjf...@4ax.com>

> This is an A-3:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/KA-3B_VAH-4_...
>
> This is a 757:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Air_Italy_B752_I-A...

>
> It wouldn't matter if it had an "American Airline paint scheme" or not.
> Nobody capable of putting a round peg in a round hole is going to confuse
> the two. Even if they had almost no knowledge of aviation. Even if the
> plane was going 600 kts.
>
> It's just another case of the foil-hatters throwing as much bullshit at they
> can at the wall in desperate hopes that something will stick.

The tin-foil hat morons obviously think that all the eye-witnesses who
actually saw the AA 757 hit the Pentagon are as stupid as they are.

[El Tico]

On Mar 14, 3:18 pm, "Docky Wocky" <mrch...@lst.net> wrote:
> Well, after looking at the pictures, I can sure see why a cave man would
> confuse the two.

Confused, are you?

[BDK]

In article <FSzCj.23$Nr1.20@trnddc01>, nebucha...@microsoft.com
says...

The A-3 is the thing that kills me. How far gone do you have to be to
mix an A-3 and a 757 up? I don't know how they can possibly be that far
gone, and still be able to type their own posts!

I knew many of the kooks were seriously ill, but DAYUMMM!!

They still crack me up.

BDK

[BDK]

In article <8aSdnfuKle16UEfa...@speakeasy.net>, Theodor-
He...@judenstaat.il says...

It seems like you might be having a coherent thought or two...

>
> The argument appears to be that something other than an 757 was used to
> spare the lives of passengers. But that is not consistent with the larger
> crime. And it is not consistent with the doctrine of the perpetrators.
> See the sig.
>

Oops, there you go again.

BDK

I told you not to be stupid, you moron! - Ben Stern.

[John P.]

"This is your brain on Fox News." <goof...@gmail.com> wrote in a message

Reminds me of a line from the song "Flagpole Sitta"

~... Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding.
The Cretans cloning and feeding...~

You don *not* want to promote breeding among the kooks.

[John P.]

"Nebuchadnezzar II" <nebucha...@microsoft.com> wrote in a message

> The A-3 is about 1/3rd the size of a 757. It has almost half the wingspan
> and far less than half the length. It looks and sounds like a big
> fighter/bomber. A 757 looks and sounds like...an airliner. Imagine that.

If you paint it right, no one could possibly tell the difference. I'm almost
afraid to publicize this link because I'm afraid Prof Jones will just then
add this to his overwhelming amount of irrefutable proof. He'll probably
claim this evidence is easily as valid as the metal samples he received from
an authentic anonymous source.

Throwing caution to the wind - if you check this link, you'll see a properly
painted A3 can be made to look exactly like and AA 757!

http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/JPPics/9-11/?action=view&current=KookPlane.jpg

[BDK]

In article <z6OdnXqj-fg24Eba...@comcast.com>,
Jo...@nospam.com says...

Well, it has wings, and a tail, so it has to be the same thing!- Kook.

BDK

[Government Shill #2]

A kOOKer on a Chemtrail Yahoo Group once asked what the canoe shaped objects
were on the rear sides of an airliner. They were, of course, the engines. Isn't
ignorance bliss?

Shill #2
--
Law of Logical Argument: Anything is possible
if you don't know what you are talking about.

[Cardinal Chunder]

George Orwell wrote:
> In article <pAlCj.5993$Sa1....@news02.roc.ny>

> Vandar <vanda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>>>
>>> By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>>>
>>> 03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
>>> to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
>>> pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
>>> Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
>>> flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
>>> aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
>>> "final leg" to the Pentagon make this approach completely impossible as we will
>>> demonstrate.
>>>
>>> According to the government, American 77 final approach to the pentagon is depicted
>>> below.
>>>
>>> (Picture Courtesy Citizen Investigation Team, Click to Enlarge)
>>>
>>> http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/VDOTAntennaAerial.jpg
>>>
>>> You'll notice the Virginia Department Of Transportation (VDOT) Antenna rising from
>>> the ground in the reported flight path of American 77.
>> VDOT eyewitnesses reported that the plane barely missed the antenna.
>>
>>> This antenna has been
>>> determined to be 169 ft above the ground with a ground elevation of 135 feet (FCC
>>> Registration Number 1016111).
>> The antenna with that FCC registration number is 100 miles away in
>> Richmond, VA.
>>
>>

>> There goes CIT's attempt to gain credibility... again.
>
>
>

> How much does KPMG or one of its clients pay you to shill on the Usenet?
>

Yeah, because people have to be paid to laugh at "truth seekers" and
their nutball assertions. There is no other possibility right?

[Cardinal Chunder]

Al Dykes wrote:
> In article <61d734225d725abd...@dizum.com>,

> Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>> http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>>
>> By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>>
>> 03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate introduction
>> to this article as it appears the government story regarding the events at the
>> pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the hard work done by Citizen Investigation
>> Team, they alerted us to review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the
>> flight path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
>> aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along American 77
>
>
>
>

> That's nice. How does he explain all the evidence and eyewitnesses we
> have for a 575 hitting the Pentagon.

It's an exercise in kook logic -

1. Exaggerate, distort or grossly misinterpret some point.
2. Handwave everything every other piece of evidence that says
different, no matter how well supported or overwhelming that evidence
may be.
3. Proclaim conspiracy
4. Get laughed at
5. Go back to 1)

>
> The evidence; We have crash scene DNA that matches all passengers and
> crew that boarded Flt77 earlier that day. We have airplane parts
> specific to a 757, airplane part serial numbers specific to FLt77 and
> that has never been seen, since. black boxes, Black box data that is
> consistant with the path of Ftl77, luggage and jewelry identification,
> radar tapes, FAA records and phone calls, all consistent with American
> Airlines Boeing 757-223, registered N644AA causing all the damage on
> 9/11.
>
> Boeing 757-223, registered N644AA has never been since 9/11.
>
> The passengers and crew have never been seen since.
>
>
> Mike Walters
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1dd_1177892305
>
>
> "It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question."
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html
>
> 105 eyewitnesses
> http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/PentWitnesses.xls
>
> Statements from 100 (est) eye witnesses, all cited too full text
> sources
> http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/witness.html
>
> Details of engine parts found at Pentagon
> http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/conspiracy/q0265.shtml
>
> Black boxes recovered and analyzed
> http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf
> Discussed : http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=102924
>
> Info on the tapes
> http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_6068.shtml
>
> More eye witnesses same-day reporting
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/metro/daily/sep01/attack.html
>
> Transcript of CNN broadcast of 1PM 9-11, eyewitness
> http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html
>
> Perdue simulation of 757 impact
> http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/020910.Sozen.Pentagon.html
>
> DNA matches with family members matches all but one of Pax on Flt77
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61202-2001Nov20?language=printer
>
> http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/9.11/index.html
>

[BDK]

In article <hgont3tj61nv7rkim...@4ax.com>,
gov....@gmail.com says...

It's staggering that someone could be so clueless, but at this point,
it's not surprising, after reading the whacked out shit posted by the
kooktards in this group, and others.

And it's still funny as hell.

BDK

[george]

On Mar 16, 2:40 am, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:
> In article <z6OdnXqj-fg24EbanZ2dnUVZ_tCrn...@comcast.com>,
> Jo...@nospam.com says...

> > Throwing caution to the wind - if you check this link, you'll see a properly
> > painted A3 can be made to look exactly like and AA 757!
>

> >http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c23/JPPics/9-11/?action=view&curren...

>
> Well, it has wings, and a tail, so it has to be the same thing!- Kook.
>

Not to mention that they both have two engines and are airborne ......

here kook here kook

[BDK]

In article <frh00...@news2.newsguy.com>,
c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com says...

The kooks seem to be totally clueless that they are comedy GOLD.

I wonder if they truly believe we get paid for this? They really don't
get it at all. Like what happened on 911, and probably pretty much
everything else in their lives.

BDK

[Iarnrod]

On Mar 15, 4:31 pm, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:
> In article <frh00r0...@news2.newsguy.com>,

> c...@foo.no.spam.xyzabcfghllaa.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > George Orwell wrote:

> > > In article <pAlCj.5993$Sa1.2...@news02.roc.ny>

True. I don't understand how they can even function in everyday
society when they show absolute craziness like this.

[george]

On Mar 16, 11:05 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> True. I don't understand how they can even function in everyday
> society when they show absolute craziness like this.

They don't. Their parents do it all for them...

[BDK]

In article <e09c3231-d543-4a28-aa87-
eda038...@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, gbl...@hnpl.net says...

I feel sorry for the kook's parents and families, but not the kooks.

BDK

[harry k]

On Mar 13, 9:10 pm, Nomen Nescio <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
> In article <gqydnZRWoZiwcUTanZ2dnUVZ_rqln...@comcast.com>
>
>
>
>
>
> SgtMinor <Sa...@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:

>
> > Vandar wrote:
>
> > > Nomen Nescio wrote:
>
> > >>http://911blogger.com/node/14354
>
> > >> By Rob Balsamo, Pilots For 9/11 Truth
>
> > >> 03/13/08 - "Beware The Ides Of March" could not be a more appropriate
> > >> introduction to this article as it appears the government story
> > >> regarding the events at the pentagon is officially dead. Thanks to the
> > >> hard work done by Citizen Investigation Team, they alerted us to
> > >> review figures regarding topography and obstacles along the flight
> > >> path of American 77 according to the government story. Physically and
> > >> aerodynamically, Arlington's unique topography and obstacles along
> > >> American 77 "final leg" to the Pentagon make this approach completely
> > >> impossible as we will demonstrate.
>
> > >> According to the government, American 77 final approach to the
> > >> pentagon is depicted below.
>
> > >> (Picture Courtesy Citizen Investigation Team, Click to Enlarge)
>
> > >>http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/merc_mercy_/VDOTAntennaAerial.jpg
>
> > >> You'll notice the Virginia Department Of Transportation (VDOT) Antenna
> > >> rising from the ground in the reported flight path of American 77.
>
> > > VDOT eyewitnesses reported that the plane barely missed the antenna.
>
> > >> This antenna has been determined to be 169 ft above the ground with a
> > >> ground elevation of 135 feet (FCC Registration Number 1016111).
>
> > > The antenna with that FCC registration number is 100 miles away in
> > > Richmond, VA.
>

> > No, it isn't.  It is registered to the Commonwealth of Virginia, and the
> > antenna itself is located in Arlington, VA, just West of the Pentagon at
> > 38-52-00.0N, 077-04-08.0W, according to:

> >http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrResults.jsp;JSESSIONID_A...
>
> > orhttp://tinyurl.com/2ksngu

>
> > You can find the antenna using Google Earth.  BTW, the center of the
> > Pentagon is at 38-52-15-60N,77-03-21-49W.
>

> > > There goes CIT's attempt to gain credibility... again.
>

> You really should bother Vandar the alt.conspiracy shill because you will get
> nothing but endless straw man arguements like

> they are trained to spew.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You really shouldn't post such obvious BS. The evidence shows that
_that particular_ airplane crashed there proven by parts traceble to
_that_ airframe, passenger remains identified to _that_ flight, black
boxes belonging to _that_ aircraft, thousands of witnesses beginning
with ones who saw the crash and ending with all the rescue/fire people
there immediately after.

Harry K

[harry k]

On Mar 14, 6:53 am, BDK <B...@magicsteel.com> wrote:
> In article <VrpCj.22382$Ls6.13224@trnddc01>,
> nebuchadnez...@microsoft.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> >news:daa3747d4c90be1c...@dizum.com...
> > > In article <ds1kt3hpgq0kqcmv7p1uisbqif47qjf...@4ax.com>

> > > orio...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > >> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 03:10:11 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
> > >> <nob...@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> > >> <snip much nonsense>
>
> > >> Moron.  Flight 77 struck the ground in front of the Pentagon and
> > >> bounced up, striking it between the 1st and 2nd floors.  The plane can
> > >> be seen clearly in the far background in this series of pictures.
>
> > >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:757_pentagon.gif
>
> > >> --
> > >> The Stone Age did not end
> > >> because we ran out of stones.
>
> > > Thanks for the ad hominem attack. I love when others feel obligated to
> > > unleash these
> > > attacks as way of showing
> > > superior intellect. Please continue.
>
> > > A Raytheon owned A-3 Skywarrior in American Airline paint scheme hit the
> > > Pentagon.
> > > And it just so happens that five Raytheon employees tied to Global Hawk
> > > technology
> > > coincidently perished on 9/11.
>

> > An A-3?
>
> > You're shitting us, right?
>
> > Please tell me this is a joke and you're really not that fucking stupid.
>
> > I'll tell you one thing, you foil-hatters sure are good for comic relief if
> > nothing else.
>
> > That was a good one.
>
> > Please continue, if only for the entertainment value.
>
> They really have no idea how damn funny they are.
>
> I love it.
>
> BDK- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

They must be smoking something that I want some of. An A3? My god!

Harry K

[BDK]

In article <c45e0c84-7daa-4019-bedf-d02d58beb403
@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, turnk...@hotmail.com says...

If it's not drugs of some kind, well, that's just scary.

And even funnier.

BDK