TARP - Obama's black hole at Treasury
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
A discussion here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614557/posts
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
>
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/TARP_-Obama_s-black-hole-at-Treasury-1329673-105724328.html
>
> A discussion here:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614557/posts
Forwarded post:
It's overdue for tax cheat Geithner to get off the stage, and take a
part time tax season job at H&R Block: that is, if it wouldn't be
above his pay-grade!
Posted on Monday, October 25, 2010 by Noob1999
(Where's Meg Whitman when we need her?)
End of forwarded post from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614557/posts
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
o Not for commercial use. Solely to be fairly used for the educational
purposes of research and open discussion. The contents of this post may not
have been authored by, and do not necessarily represent the opinion of the
poster. The contents are protected by copyright law and the exemption for
fair use of copyrighted works.
o If you send private e-mail to me, it will likely not be read,
considered or answered if it does not contain your full legal name, current
e-mail and postal addresses, and live-voice telephone number.
o Posted for information and discussion. Views expressed by others are
not necessarily those of the poster who may or may not have read the article.
FAIR USE NOTICE: This article may contain copyrighted material the use of
which may or may not have been specifically authorized by the copyright
owner. This material is being made available in efforts to advance the
understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic,
democratic, scientific, social, and cultural, etc., issues. It is believed
that this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title
17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without
profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included
information for research, comment, discussion and educational purposes by
subscribing to USENET newsgroups or visiting web sites. For more information
go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml
If you wish to use copyrighted material from this article for purposes of
your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the
copyright owner.
Since newsgroup posts are being removed
by forgery by one or more net terrorists,
this post may be reposted several times.
hari....@indero.com
Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
No
*********
"inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
Dionysus
Beam Me Up Scotty
Obama didn't have to spend it.... he could have put all of TARP back
into the treasury to pay down that debt.
Beam Me Up Scotty
We tax inheritance.... Was Obama taxed on the Money he was given....
Art Sowers
You rightard freeloaders just want no taxes, period.
Just wait till you go out on the street and pass tollbooths every block
where all roads, sidewalks are privately owned.
Cost you $50 bucks to get to work, one way, every day.
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
And, if AIG, etc., went under, we wouldn have 20-30% unemployment or
worse.
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
Anyone knows he meant "inherited".
Idiot!
Sid9
"Art Sowers" <arth...@mv.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.BSF.4.61.10...@osmium.mv.net...
.
Take it from me - every vote matters
(Sen. Al Franken)
Here's Al's Daily Kos post:
I think most of you know me. I'm the poster boy for close elections.
As you may remember, I won my 2008 Senate campaign after a long recount by
just 312 votes out of 2.9 million cast. That's a margin of about 1/100th of
one percent. So I can tell you from personal experience that every vote
counts.
And every vote in Congress counts, too. I'm proud of the vote I cast for
health care reform that expands access to medical care while reducing the
deficit. That's right: health care reform will reduce the national debt by
over a hundred billion dollars over the next ten years, and by 1.5 trillion
dollars over the following ten.
But, voters wouldn't know that health care reform reduces the deficit from
the campaign ads the conservatives are airing, or from those shady third
party ads. I call them shady, because they're shady. They operate in the
dark.
Those ads tell you that the stimulus package has been a total failure. That's
interesting. Because none other than John McCain's presidential campaign
economic advisor, Mark Zandi, has done a comprehensive study of the recovery
package and determined that it has created or saved three million jobs and,
get this, averted a depression. Averted a depression.
Now, I don't know about our opponents in this election, but I'd say that
averting a second Great Depression is, on balance, a very good thing.
Look, people are hurting. Millions of Americans are without jobs. Still
struggling, still losing their homes, still anxious about the future.
But let's remember how we got here. The month Barack Obama was sworn in we
lost 750,000 jobs in this country. With all due respect to the President, I
think his analogy that the economy was a car in a ditch when he took office
is just a little too static. Here's my analogy, which, in my opinion, is
both more kinetic and, frankly, far more accurate.
When the President took office, not only had the car gone into a ditch, the
car had flipped over and was rolling down a steep embankment. We, the
American people, were in the back seat, and the Bush Administration had
removed all the seat belts, so we were all flying around the interior of
this car as it was rolling and flipping and careening down this steep
embankment, headed to a 2,000 foot cliff. And at the bottom of that cliff
were jagged rocks. And alligators.
Now, at noon on January 20th, 2009, as the car was careening toward the
cliff, George W. Bush jumped out of the car.
President Obama somehow managed to dive in through the window, take the
wheel and get control of the thing just inches before it went over the
precipice. Then, he and Congress starting pushing this wreck back up the
embankment. Now you can't push a car up an embankment as fast as it careens
down the embankment, especially if some people are trying to push against
you. But we got it going in the right direction. And slowly we've gotten
ourselves up the embankment, out of the ditch and onto the shoulder of the
road.
There. That's what happened.
But you wouldn't know that from all these ads. All these smear ads, all
these deliberately misleading ads - all of these ads that are paid for by
organizations led by people like Karl Rove.
And we don't know exactly where the money's coming from. But I can guess. I'd
guess from big coal companies, big oil companies, big multi-nationals that
want to continue outsourcing our jobs, big banks that want to roll back Wall
Street reform, big insurance companies that want to roll back health care
reform - that don't want to cover kids with pre-existing conditions, or,
adults with pre-existing conditions, and who want to drop you if you get
sick, or who want to continue to impose annual and lifetime caps so that
medical crises will continue to be by far the number one cause of bankruptcy
in this country.
Well, they may have the powerful corporations on their side. But we've got
you.
And that's why I brought up my recount. I know that if just a few volunteers
had decided to sit that election out, I might not be a Senator today. And
that's why we need all of you, all of you to work your hearts out for the
next few days. I want you phone-banking and door-knocking.
Now, many of you have families. Ignore them. Get on the phones. Get on the
doors. Talk to your neighbors. Tell them the truth.
Steve
>
>"Art Sowers" <arth...@mv.com> wrote in message
>news:Pine.BSF.4.61.10...@osmium.mv.net...
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
>>>> ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>> *********
>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>
>>> Dionysus
>>>
>>
>> Anyone knows he meant "inherited".
>>
>> Idiot!
>.
>.
>Take it from me - every vote matters
>
>(Sen. Al Franken)
>
>Here's Al's Daily Kos post:
>
>I think most of you know me. I'm the poster boy for close elections.
>
Franken is the poster loon for stolen elections.
Beam Me Up Scotty
That's Al "elected by Felons" Franken....
Beam Me Up Scotty
hint... we do have 17% unemployment.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Cool good idea..... I can sell on the internet, and stay home more.
The thief's will have to pay $50 to come rob my house.... great?
No more subsidizing the criminals on the travel to their burglaries.
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
A discussion here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614557/posts
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> posted:
> . . .
>
> hint... we do have 17% unemployment.
[ Subject: 60 Minutes Shock Report - U.S. National Unemployed and
[ Underemployed 17.5%; California 22%
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ Date: Monday, October 25, 2010
60 Minutes Shock Report: National Unemployed and Underemployed 17.5%;
California 22%
A discussion here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2613852/posts
> TARP: Obama's black hole at Treasury
>
> http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/TARP_-Obama_s-black-hole-at-Treasury-1329673-105724328.html
>
> A discussion here:
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2614557/posts
>
No
**********
Now that's funny. Good on you.
Dionysus
No
**********
Well, unschooled fool, ya mess up the little stuff through a lack of discipline, ya fuck up the big. Just ask Braack, The
Magic Negro.
Dionysus
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
Yeah, great, and how long will it take for each privately owned road
segment owner to realize he has a monopoly on your access. Tommorrow:
$100, Day after $200.
You're real smart, aren't you?
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:09:08 -0400, Art Sowers <arth...@mv.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
>>>> ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>> *********
>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>
>>> Dionysus
>>>
>>
>> Anyone knows he meant "inherited".
>>
>> Idiot!
> **********
> Well, unschooled fool, ya mess up the little stuff through a lack of discipline, ya fuck up the big. Just ask Braack, The
> Magic Negro.
You're pretty messed up, too.
> Dionysus
>
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
> On 10/26/2010 4:05 PM, Art Sowers wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2010 2:17 PM, No Surr...@never.net wrote:
>>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
>>>>> ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>>> *********
>>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>>
>>>> Dionysus
>>>
>>> We tax inheritance.... Was Obama taxed on the Money he was given....
>>>
>>
>> You rightard freeloaders just want no taxes, period.
>>
>> Just wait till you go out on the street and pass tollbooths every block
>> where all roads, sidewalks are privately owned.
>>
>> Cost you $50 bucks to get to work, one way, every day.
>
>
> Cool good idea..... I can sell on the internet, and stay home more.
> The thief's will have to pay $50 to come rob my house.... great?
Real smart you, eh. Wait till the owners of all those segments realize
they have monopolies on supply. Tommorrow, it will be $100, day after, it
will be $200.
Real smart, aren't you.
> No more subsidizing the criminals on the travel to their burglaries.
Next bright absent idea of YOURS: since the police force is gone (no
taxes, right?), all you can do is hire your own personal police force --
guess what that's going to cost you per person?
Yeah, I'd be expecting a lot of theives to be happy to be the thief to rob
you.
>
Art Sowers
That's a lot less than 20-30%.
Art Sowers
Aw, you're just a sad loser!
I'd like to see what the guys does; might even be more honest than the
professional politicians!
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
Shucks, if YOUR guy won, then you'd be a hypocrit!
Art Sowers
Good.
> But, voters wouldn't know that health care reform reduces the deficit from
> the campaign ads the conservatives are airing, or from those shady third
> party ads. I call them shady, because they're shady. They operate in the
> dark.
Conservatives? Propagandists!
> Those ads tell you that the stimulus package has been a total failure. That's
> interesting. Because none other than John McCain's presidential campaign
> economic advisor, Mark Zandi, has done a comprehensive study of the recovery
> package and determined that it has created or saved three million jobs and,
> get this, averted a depression. Averted a depression.
Good.
Plus the fact that every other major economy in the world floated a
bailout, too.
> Now, I don't know about our opponents in this election, but I'd say that
> averting a second Great Depression is, on balance, a very good thing.
Or a worser depression.
> Look, people are hurting. Millions of Americans are without jobs. Still
> struggling, still losing their homes, still anxious about the future.
>
> But let's remember how we got here. The month Barack Obama was sworn in we
> lost 750,000 jobs in this country. With all due respect to the President, I
> think his analogy that the economy was a car in a ditch when he took office
> is just a little too static. Here's my analogy, which, in my opinion, is both
> more kinetic and, frankly, far more accurate.
Nah, it was all Bush's fault.
> When the President took office, not only had the car gone into a ditch, the
> car had flipped over and was rolling down a steep embankment. We, the
> American people, were in the back seat, and the Bush Administration had
> removed all the seat belts, so we were all flying around the interior of this
> car as it was rolling and flipping and careening down this steep embankment,
> headed to a 2,000 foot cliff. And at the bottom of that cliff were jagged
> rocks. And alligators.
Bush was in cahoots with the Big corporations, Dick Chenney and his no-bid
contracts, etc.
> Now, at noon on January 20th, 2009, as the car was careening toward the
> cliff, George W. Bush jumped out of the car.
>
> President Obama somehow managed to dive in through the window, take the wheel
> and get control of the thing just inches before it went over the precipice.
> Then, he and Congress starting pushing this wreck back up the embankment. Now
> you can't push a car up an embankment as fast as it careens down the
> embankment, especially if some people are trying to push against you. But we
> got it going in the right direction. And slowly we've gotten ourselves up the
> embankment, out of the ditch and onto the shoulder of the road.
>
> There. That's what happened.
>
> But you wouldn't know that from all these ads. All these smear ads, all these
> deliberately misleading ads - all of these ads that are paid for by
> organizations led by people like Karl Rove.
He's a rightard, too.
> And we don't know exactly where the money's coming from. But I can guess. I'd
> guess from big coal companies, big oil companies, big multi-nationals that
> want to continue outsourcing our jobs, big banks that want to roll back Wall
> Street reform, big insurance companies that want to roll back health care
> reform - that don't want to cover kids with pre-existing conditions, or,
> adults with pre-existing conditions, and who want to drop you if you get
> sick, or who want to continue to impose annual and lifetime caps so that
> medical crises will continue to be by far the number one cause of bankruptcy
> in this country.
>
> Well, they may have the powerful corporations on their side. But we've got
> you.
>
> And that's why I brought up my recount. I know that if just a few volunteers
> had decided to sit that election out, I might not be a Senator today. And
> that's why we need all of you, all of you to work your hearts out for the
> next few days. I want you phone-banking and door-knocking.
>
> Now, many of you have families. Ignore them. Get on the phones. Get on the
> doors. Talk to your neighbors. Tell them the truth.
Re-regulate the financial industry, its all mostly their fault.
>
>
>
>
>
Kotcha Notzov
He's worse than an idiot. He's a self appointed know it all. I had him
KFd under his other nic and I guess I have to whack this mole too.
Beam Me Up Scotty
How many Felons voted for the Republican?
Beam Me Up Scotty
> professional politicians!
>
Franken is the perfect Representative for the Liberals..... his life a
joke too...
Beam Me Up Scotty
Yes it is.
Higher unemployment short term has to be weighed against long term
Depression and government stringing it out for decades while they learn
that they will not create jobs by sending money around in a circle.
There is no Magic bullet. But there is a way to shorten the pain
instead of making it last and last for decades.
CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND REGULATIONS AND TAXES and sit back and watch
the people in the private market fix the economy fast.
Beam Me Up Scotty
I'll hire "Smith and Wesson" and or ADT home security.... thanks.
Beam Me Up Scotty
> professional politicians!
>
Franken is the perfect Representative for the Liberals..... his life is
a joke too...
Steve
wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Steve wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:17:55 -0400, "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Art Sowers" <arth...@mv.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Pine.BSF.4.61.10...@osmium.mv.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
>>>>>> ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>>>> *********
>>>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dionysus
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone knows he meant "inherited".
>>>>
>>>> Idiot!
>>> .
>>> .
>>> Take it from me - every vote matters
>>>
>>> (Sen. Al Franken)
>>>
>>> Here's Al's Daily Kos post:
>>>
>>> I think most of you know me. I'm the poster boy for close elections.
>>>
>>
>> Franken is the poster loon for stolen elections.
>
>Aw, you're just a sad loser!
That's not possible. I've never lived in Minnesota. Been there a few
times, but never wanted to stay.
Art Sowers
All the ones who voted more than once, or were paid to vote a certain way,
or the ones who used a dead person's name to register.
(In the public interest, a different FAQ [First Asked Question])
Does JAI MAHARAJ, himself, a self-proclaimed Hindu, violate Hindu ethics?
Who will deny that he hates, demonizes Christianity, Jesus Christ?
Who will deny that he hates, demonizes Islam? (see footnote)
Who will deny that he prosyletizes for Hinduism?
Who will deny that he is blind to almost anything bad being done
in India, anything bad done by Hindus?
(other issues involving Mr. Maharaj are beyond the scope of this piece)
A Google search on "Hindu ethics" showed many links; below are excepts
of several sources, including two which are nominally Hindu in nature,
serious in content and meaning, and should be valid. By many elements
shown below (see underlinings by row of ^^^^), and if these quotes
really are representative of Hindu ideology, then Mr Jai Maharaj, a
self-claimed Hindu who proselytizes for Hinduism, is
showing much bad Hindu behavior. For all of this underlining, I see a
serious need for improvement on Mr. Maharaj's part if he is serious about
being a Hindu. Otherwise, he is a hypocrit.
As a side note, unless the Hindu mechanism of reincarnation somehow
prevents Hindus from reincarnating into Christian and/or Muslim beings,
then Mr. Maharaj could be facing, in the next life, threats and
deep-seated ill will from himself in a prior life.
On a personal note, I have no problem embracing all of these
elements of Hindu ethics as they are explained below. They are all
beneficial to society and the individual in society.
==================================
===================================
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_in_religion
---------------------------------
Ethics in religion
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Most religions have an ethical component, often derived from purported
supernatural revelation or guidance. Ethics, which is a major branch of
philosophy, encompasses right conduct and good life. It is significantly
broader than the common conception of analyzing right and wrong. A central
aspect of ethics is "the good life", the life worth living or life that
is simply satisfying, which is held by many philosophers to be more
important than traditional moral conduct.[1]"
Hindu ethics
"Hindu ethics are related to reincarnation, which is a way of expressing
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
the need for reciprocity, as one may end up in someone else's shoes
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in their next incarnation. Intention is seen as very important, and thus
selfless action for the benefit of others without thought for oneself
is an important rule in Hinduism, known as the doctrine of karma yoga.
This aspect of service is combined with an understanding that someone
else's unfortunate situation, while of their own doing, is one's own
situation since the soul within is the soul shared by all. The greeting
namaskar is founded on the principle that one salutes the spark of the
divine in the other. Kindness and hospitality are key Hindu values."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"More emphasis is placed on empathy than in other traditions, and women
are sometimes upheld not only as great moral examples but also as great
gurus. Beyond that, the Mother is a Divine Figure, the Devi, and the
aspect of the creative female energy plays a major role in the Hindu ethos."
=============================================================
http://www.boloji.com/hinduism/032.htm
------------------------------------------
Hinduism
Ethics of Hinduism
by Neria Harish Hebbar, MD
"Three documents, namely the Upanishads, Bhagavad-Gita and Brahma
Sutra form the basis of Vedanta (called Prasthana-traya). From these
scriptures are drawn Hindu ethics that help in guiding the Hindu through
his daily as well as spiritual journey. Though Vedanta currently is the
favorite of English-speaking Hindu intellectuals, it was from the wisdom
of the Upanishads and Bhagavad-Gita that the ancient Hindus set forth
their ethics in a practical way, expected to be followed by all Hindus.
The Laws of Manu (Dharmashastra or Manuva Shastra) gave details of
societal rules and Artha-shastra of Kautilya detailed the politics
and economics."
Hindu Ethics and Conduct
***
"Other texts that that give insight into Hindu ethics also shaped
the life of a Hindu. There is the Manasollasa written by 12th Century
Deccan king Someshvara III Chalukya that illustrates Hindu morals.
Hospitality, charity and honesty are extolled. Piety, performance
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
of religious worship and pilgrimage are also important. Eight virtues
of the soul were mentioned in the law book of Gautama, namely compassion,
^^^^^^^^^^
patience, contentedness, purity, earnest endeavor, pure thoughts,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
freedom from greed, and freedom from envy. Tamil texts of Tiukkural
and Naladiyar also stress on the moral codes."
"Earnest kindliness and tolerance to all human relations along with
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
non-violence had real effect on Hindu life. Desire for the well
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
being of all beings and benevolence in the form of almsgiving were
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
encouraged especially when done with no expectation of rewards at
least in this life."
***
"A Hindu is advised to contain and restrain all the emotions that may
lead to a sinful existence. Thus he is asked to control such emotions
as Kama (lust), Krodha (anger), Mada (ego, pride) and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Matsara (jealousy)."
"There are nine basic requirements that a Hindu should be aware of
and follow. Personal discipline, good conduct, self-inquiry and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
meditation are important. Here briefly are the nine beliefs of Hinduism."
[1-7 are skipped.]
"8.All forms of life are sacred and are to be loved and revered.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
All must follow the practice of 'non-injury' or ahimsa."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"9.No one particular religion teaches the 'only pathway' to
salvation. All genuine religious paths are facets of God's Light
and Love, deserving tolerance and understanding."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=================================================
http://www.hinduism.co.za/ethics.htm
-------------------------
Ethics
An Essay on Hindu Ethics
By Swami Nikhilananda
Ramakrishna ~V Vivekananda Center, New York
***
Hindu Ethics is Mainly Subjective or Personal
***
"Objective ethics, according to the Hindu view, is a means to an
end, its purpose being to help the members of society to rid
themselves of self-centredness, cruelty, greed, and other vices,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
and thus to create an environment helpful to the pursuit of the
highest good, which transcends society. Hinduism further speaks
of certain universal ethical principles which apply to all human
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
beings irrespective of their position in society or stage in life."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Social welfare
***
"Among the social virtues are included ~Qhospitality, courtesy, and
duties to wife, children, and grandchildren.~R In one of the
Upanishads, a king, in answer to a question by a Rishi regarding
the state of affairs in his country, says: "In my kingdom there is
no thief, no miser, no drunkard, no man without an altar in his
home, no ignorant person, no adulterer, much less an adulteress.""
***
"The average man, in spite of his many human qualities, is often
greedy; he wants to take what belongs to others. Liberality or
charity is his discipline for self-improvement. The demoniacal
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
person takes delight in treating others with cruelty and ruthlessness,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
which can be suppressed through the practice of compassion."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
======================================
http://www.hindubooks.org/essence_of_hinduism/hindu_ethics/index.htm
----------------------------------------
HINDU ETHICS
[from page 5]
***
"Therefore the cardinal virtues of Hinduism may be regarded as the
distinctive marks of the religious spirit in India. They are-purity
(Saucam), self-control (Samyama), detachment (Asanga or Vairagya),
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
truth (Satyam) and non-violence (Ahimsa). Let us now consider the
^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^
scope of each of these as conceived by the Hindu sages...
[from page 6]
"According to Hinduism cleanliness is not exactly next to godliness,
it is, a part of godliness. When the two are made independent, they
sustain great loss. There fore purity should comprise both external
purity and internal purity. It should comprise cleanliness, straight
forward- ness, frankness, innocence and absence of all sinful thoughts.
The cultivation of purity thus naturally leads to the second cardinal
virtue, namely, self-control."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[page 7}
"But the sins of the mind put on the guise of virtue before they
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
attack us. Hypocrisy, pride and bigotry are easily mistaken for
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
virtues. Generally the masses in our country are a prey to the
sins of the flesh, and our classes are a prey to the sins of
the mind. Self-control means the control of both body and mind.
The Gita points out how desire ha [typos here] for its seat the senses,
the mind and the under standing."
[many pages follow about truth]
[page 13]
"We pretend to believe that retaliation is the law of our being,
whereas in every scripture we And that retaliation are nowhere
obligatory but only permissible. It is restraint that is obligatory.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Retaliation is indulgence requiring elaborate regulating. Restraint
^^^^^^^^^^
is the law of our being. For the highest perfection is unattainable
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
without the highest restraint. Suffering is thus the badge of the
human tribe.""
=====================================
http://www.safne.com/hinduethics.htm
----------------------
ETHICS OF HINDUISM IN THE LIGHT OF CHRISTIANITY
Rev. Paul S. Biswas
"Some western thinkers have concluded that there is no ethical and
moral teaching in Hinduism because there are no Ten Commandments
which are code of life and the basic foundation of ethical teachings
of Christianity. But although there is no Ten Commandments, yet ethics
^^^^^^^^^^
are the vital part of life of the Hindu people in India. ~SThe whole of
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
religion is concerned with conduct, because it is more a way of life
than a doctrine about the divine or a system of ritual.~T1 Hindu
morality is not a matter of principle alone; it is primarily a
matter of practical conduct, largely determined by the social environment."
"The purpose of the paper is to show a comparative study between
the Hindu and Christian ethics in a apologetic way. The paper is
not dealing with present reform movements within the Hinduism but
with classical Hinduism which today continues to be a major force
in Hindu life. The study Hindu ethics can follow either the historical
or the synthetic method. The historical method consists in analyzing
the fundamental positions of Hindu morality in the successive periods
and according to the various schools of Hindu thought. The synthetic
method consists in retaining the fundamental principles common to all
schools and indicating briefly their diverse interpretations in the
various schools."
***
In the Bhagavad Gita
"If we read the sixteenth chapter of the Bhagavad Gita we can see
lists of moral behavior and a large number of virtues such as purity
of mind, non-violence, freedom from anger, renunciation, liberty from
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
covetousness, gentleness, modesty, truth and uprightness. ~SThe Blessed
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lord Krisna said: Fearless and pure in heart, steadfast in the
exercise of wisdom, openhanded and restrained, performing sacrifice,
intent on studying Holy writ, ascetic and upright.~T 3"
***
"The ethical thought of karmayoga teaches that a man must perform
his duties as a member of society without any thought of personal gain."
***
In the Upanishads
Dharma
"It connotes the general ideas of honesty, decency, respect, and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
care for others, responsibility and duty which are incumbent upon
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
all persons regardless of their position in society."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
========================== end ============================
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
And, you think Bush's WMD in Iraq was a joke, or did you think they really
had WMD in Iraq?
>
>
>
>
Art Sowers
Yeah, we'll get more monopoly formation, more Enrons, more AIGs, more
crappy unsafe cars from Detroit, etc. etc., and more corporate crime.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Art Sowers
here, read this.....
Item #1:
Wall Street Journal, Dec 15, 2009, page A18:
title: "Bank CEOs Pledge to Push for Re-Regulation"
subtitle:"At White House Session, Executives Acknowledge 'Disconnect' With
Their Lobbyists Working to Gut New Rules"
Quotes:
"Some of the CEOs said their lobbyists had taken stronger stands than they
would have wanted, an assertion met with raised eyebrows on Capitol Hill."
"National Economic Council Director, Lawrence Summers, appearing on CNN,
called a $300 million industry lobbying push 'to gut' financial market
re-regulation 'frankly a bit rich'."
--------------------------
Item #2:
Wall Street Journal, Dec 15, page C1:
title:"For Executives, Sure-Thing Retirement Plans"
Basically reported that executives got guaranteed interest rates for their
retirement plans, but underling employees got negative-performing 401ks
for their retirement plans.
Graphic showed eight major corporations, including Comcast and Wall-Mart,
where the executives got from 6.1 to 12% contributions to their
2008 retirement bundles, but underlings got 401k losses from a minimum of
negative 18 % to a maximum of negative 31% at the same places.
Kinda looks like robbing the employees' cookie jar to load up the
executive's cookie jar.
Art Sowers
On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
I think Sarah Palin and Christine O'donnel are even bigger jokes.
>
>
>
>
>
Sid9
.
Private industry has had years to create jobs....they failed.
They created the unemployment.
They fail this very day to create jobs.
hari....@indero.com
president. The current president, the one of jay stevens;aka dr. jai
etc.; entered office with the program already in place and active as
designed by the previous president.
Michael Coburn
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:17:55 -0400, "Sid9" <si...@belsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"Art Sowers" <arth...@mv.com> wrote in message
>>news:Pine.BSF.4.61.10...@osmium.mv.net...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
>>>
>>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented
>>>>> an ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>>> *********
>>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>>
>>>> Dionysus
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Anyone knows he meant "inherited".
>>>
>>> Idiot!
>>.
>>.
>>Take it from me - every vote matters
>>
>>(Sen. Al Franken)
>>
>>Here's Al's Daily Kos post:
>>
>>I think most of you know me. I'm the poster boy for close elections.
>>
>>
> Franken is the poster loon for stolen elections.
Notice how the rightarded moron moves away from the actual issues and
focuses on denigrating the messenger. sooooooooooo very Republican.
The FACTS speak for themselves in that Republicans have fought every move
to rescue and improve the American economy for the last 2 years. And if
not for that Senate blockade we would be much farther along the path of
recovery than we are.
--
"Senate rules don't trump the Constitution" -- http://GreaterVoice.org/60
Sid9
"Michael Coburn" <mik...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ia9n5...@news2.newsguy.com...
.The Republican theme song for obstruction:
[Groucho] (with apologies to Groucho)
I don't know what Obama has to say,
It makes no difference anyway,
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
No matter what it is or who commenced it,
I'm against it.
Obama’s proposition may be good,
But let's have one thing understood,
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
And even when Obama’s changed it or condensed it,
I'm against it.
I'm opposed to it,
On general principle, I'm opposed to it.
[chorus] He's opposed to it.
In fact, indeed, that he's opposed to it!
Whatever it is, I'm against it.
And I've kept yelling since I first commenced it,
I'm against it!
See the original performance here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtMV44yoXZ0
Beam Me Up Scotty
That was government that created the housing collapse.....
http://outsourcenews.net/j-news/content/view/179/126/
> They fail this very day to create jobs.
Not fail, the word is "choose" because they can't use the people to do
anything, thanks to government interference.
Beam Me Up Scotty
You are a Liberal and laugh at "I wish Bush would die jokes" so you have
no real concept of funny.
Beam Me Up Scotty
Wiki Leaks just released proof that the military found WMD "Thank you
wiki leaks" you Liberal idiots.
Wikileaks proved the liberals were liars.... The Secret documents say
that WMD were found.
I'm just sad that the military didn't plant tons of disinformation to
get Taliban leaders killed by their own people....
Art Sowers
oooOOOoooooOOOO....that's a really really dirty cussword, you know.
Even worse than "communist".
and laugh at "I wish Bush would die jokes" so you have
> no real concept of funny.
Well, aren't you laughing at "I wish nObama would die jokes"?
>
>
>
Art Sowers
Where?
"Thank you
> wiki leaks" you Liberal idiots.
Oh, you preferred that these idiots did not prove what you wanted them to
prove?
> Wikileaks proved the liberals were liars.... The Secret documents say
> that WMD were found.
How come they were never used?
> I'm just sad that the military didn't plant tons of disinformation to
> get Taliban leaders killed by their own people....
They probably did anyway.
I think your brain is wiki-leaky. Or, maybe I should say Scotty-leaky?
>
>
Beam Me Up Scotty
They were secret? DDDDdddddduuuuuuuuhhhhhhh!!!!!
Beam Me Up Scotty
NO... I laugh at the "Obama is a graduate of Harvard" JOKES.
I make sure that people know I want Obama to be safe from harm. Obama
alive and blurting out his Socialist Message is way too valuable, we
can't allow anything to harm Obama and that message.
Hurting the messenger would accomplish no gains for his opposition, it
will be his own Leftists and his people he chose to be around him that
he needs to fear, not his opposition.
Look at the failure he has led you into....
kim
wrote:
>
>
>On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, it was written:
>
>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010 17:07:12 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty <Then-Destro...@Blackhole.NebulaX.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/26/2010 4:05 PM, Art Sowers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Beam Me Up Scotty wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/26/2010 2:17 PM, No Surr...@never.net wrote:
>>>>>> On 26 Oct 2010 18:07:15 GMT, hari....@indero.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tarp was invented and put in place by george w. bush. The current
>>>>>>> president, the president of jay stevens,aka dr. jai etc., inherented an
>>>>>>> ongoing program underway for some months when he entered office.
>>>>>> *********
>>>>>> "inherented"? Whew, now that's some nonsensical neologism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dionysus
>>>>>
>>>>> We tax inheritance.... Was Obama taxed on the Money he was given....
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You rightard freeloaders just want no taxes, period.
>>>>
>>>> Just wait till you go out on the street and pass tollbooths every block
>>>> where all roads, sidewalks are privately owned.
>>>>
>>>> Cost you $50 bucks to get to work, one way, every day.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cool good idea..... I can sell on the internet, and stay home more.
>>> The thief's will have to pay $50 to come rob my house.... great?
>
>Yeah, great, and how long will it take for each privately owned road
>segment owner to realize he has a monopoly on your access. Tommorrow:
>$100, Day after $200.
>
>You're real smart, aren't you?
You're dealing with a couple of extremists here. Just because they
are not under Bin Laden or Kim Jong Il does not make them any less
dangerous.