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Sunday, December 19, 2010
1. First the Gandhi surnames. It is Feroz Khan son of the grocer of
Allahabad supplying to Anand Bhavan, the Junagadhi Nawab Khan. So,
after marriage, Indira naturally would have been Indira Khan or
Maimunnah Khan after she converted to Islam before her nikkah with
Feroz Khan at London.
2. Ghandy is the name of the Parsi converted Muslim woman from
Bharuch, the mother of Feroz Khan and cannot be the surame for Feroz,
and has no relation to Vaishnavite Bania Gandhi.
3. Again Rajiv should have had the surname Rajiv Khan and later
changed to Roberto before his marriage to Antonia Maino or Sonia.
4. By no stretch of imagination, the surname Gandhi could be applied
either to Indira or Feroz or the later generations, but adopted only
to deceive the Indian illiterate voters of the Gandhi connection and
sacrifices for the freedom movement connected to this name.
5. It is the great Mahatma Gandhi who played the mischief of legally
adopting Feroz Khan as his son, to avoid the couple to be identified
as Muslims in the Hindu majority India and the dynasty invariably
pretending to be Hindu-s with large red tilaks sported on their
foreheads and the upstart sibling now denigrating Hindu-s as more
dangerous terrorists than LeT, an utterly foolish statement,
supported by mavericks like Digvijay, briefly reflected by
Chidambaran of Saffron Terror, all of them singing the Chorus for
Sonia's secret agenda to denigrate and destroy Hinduism from the
Country.
6. What you say about Ayodhya is commendable. If demolition is a
criminal act, breaking open of the locks of the area by Rajiv was an
equally criminal act, which started all these controversis with
cascading effects.
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Forwarded message from V. K.
Sunday, December 19, 2010
I am enclosing below a copy of letter writtten by Mahatma Gandhi to
Nehru about Indira's marriage. I wonder if Feroz was a Parsi the
marriage would have been such a closed affair. Make your own
judgment.
Gandhi's letter to Nehru regarding Indira's marriage
From -- Bunch of letters -- written mostly to and some from Nehru.
(These letters were selected to be included in the book by Nehru
himself) Oxford University Press, Delhi, 1988 (First Edition 1958.
Copyright is held by Sonia Gandhi 1986)
-From Mahatma Gandhi to Nehru -- Wardha, March 4, 1942
My dear Jawaharlal,
Received your letter yesterday . Hope you will not find it difficult
to read this letter.
About Indu's marriage, I hold a firm opinion that no one from outside
need be invited. A few persons who are at Allahbad may, however, be
called as witnesses. (Italics mine). You can send invitations (Lagna
Patrika) to as many people as you like. Ask the blessings from
everybody but make it clear that no one in particular need take the
trouble of coming. If any person is asked to come, no one can be left
out.
It has to be concluded whether Indu likes to go to this extent of
simplicity or not. If perhaps you also do not like to go to this
extent, you can rule out my suggestion..
I have seen your views about Indu. I liked it. I receive letters
concerning her marriage every day. Some are dreadful. I have
destroyed all of them. In reply to all these, I have sent a note in
the Harijan, a copy of which I am sending herewith. The note written
on Monday.
Since yesterday, letters from Muslims are pouring in, revealing their
intention to attack, which is an old story. This will go on.
(Rest is not relevant to this issue)
Blessings from Bapu
Note: It is not clear if the last para is continuation of the earlier
subject.
From Wikipedia: Indiria Gandhi's bio
"In her years in continental Europe and the UK, she met a man active
in politics, Feroze Khan who was later renamed to Feroze Gandhi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroze_Gandhi
to legalize the inter religion marriage.[8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi#cite_note-7
After returning to India, Feroze Gandhi grew close to the Nehru
family, especially to Indira's mother Kamala Nehru and Indira
herself."
Feroze's bio on Wikipedia claims Feroze's family was Parsi
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Forwarded message from J. J.
Sunday, December 19, 2010
Feroze Khan's (Gandhi's) father was a Muslim, mother a Parsi, was
legally adopted by M.K.Gandhi, so he was given the last name Gandhi.
Wether he actually converted to become a Parsi before marrying
Indira, there are two conflicting versions about this. One is, that
after MKG adopted him, he adopted his mother's religion (Parsi), the
other is that he remained a muslim, just changed his last name to
that of his adoptive father MKG. One thing is certain, his father was
a muslim and mother was a Parsi. If somebody has further info.,
please post it here.
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Forwarded message from R. C.
Sunday, December 19, 2010
What family did Feroze Gandhi have?
Mother, father, grandfather, siblings, cousins?
Is nothing known about his family at all?
No biography?
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
This is more reasonable!
- R. C.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroze_Gandhi
Feroze Gandhi
-From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Feroze Gandhi
Member of the Indian Parliament
for Pratapgarh District (west) cum Rae Bareli District (east)[1]
In office
1952-04-17?1957-04-04
Member of the Indian Parliament
for Rae Bareli[2]
In office
1957-05-05?1960-09-08
Succeeded by Baij Nath Kureel
Born 12 September 1912
Bombay, Bombay Presidency, British India
Died 8 September 1960 (aged 47)
New Delhi, Delhi, India
Resting place Parsi cemetery, Allahabad
Nationality Indian
Political party Indian National Congress
Spouse(s) Indira Gandhi
Children Sanjay Gandhi,
Rajiv Gandhi
Religion Zoroastrianism
Feroze Gandhi (12 September 1912 ? 8 September 1960) was an Indian
politician and journalist, and publisher of the The National Herald
and 'The Navjivan' newspapers from Lucknow.[3]
He became the member of the provincial parliament (1950?52), and
later a member of the Lok Sabha, the Lower House of India's
parliament. In 1942 he married Indira Nehru (later Prime Minister of
India) and they had two sons Rajiv Gandhi (also later a Prime
Minister) and Sanjay Gandhi, and thus became part of the Nehru
dynasty.[4]
Contents
1 Early life
2 Career
3 Death
4 See also
5 References
6 External links
Early life
Feroze Gandhi was born in Bombay, to a Parsi family from Gujarat. He
was the youngest child among four siblings, with father Jehangir
Faredoon , a marine engineer and mother Rattimai.[3] His family had
migrated to Bombay from Bharuch in South Gujarat, where his ancestral
home which belonged to his grandfather, still exists in Kotpariwad,
city's Parsi neighbourhood. His family was not related to that of
Mahatma Gandhi.[3]:p93
In early 1920s, with his father Jehangir Faredoon dead, he and his
mother Rattimai Faredoon moved to Allahabad to live with their
unmarried aunt, Dr. Shirin Commissariat, a well known surgeon at
city's Lady Dufferin Hospital. He attended the Vidya Mandir High
School, and then graduated from the British-staffed Ewing Christian
College.[3] Later, he was to study at the London School of Economics.
Career
Portrait of Feroze and Indira Gandhi.
In March 1930, the youth wing of Congress Freedom fighters, the Vanar
Sena was formed, subsequently Feroze first met Kamala Nehru and
Indira at women demonstrators picketing outside his college, Ewing
Christian College, Allahabad, it so happened that under the mid-day
sun Kamala fainted and young Feroze who was watching the
demonstrators along with his friends rushed to comfort her. The next
day, he abandoned his studies in 1930 to join the Indian independence
movement. He was imprisoned in 1930, along with Lal Bahadur Shastri,
head of Allahabad District Congress Committee, and lodged in Faizabad
Jail for nineteen months. Soon after his release, he going agrarian
no-rent campaign in the United Province (Uttar Pradesh) and thus was
imprisoned twice in 1932 and 1933, while working closely with
Nehru.[3]
The Hindu marriage ceremony of Feroze Gandhi and Indira Gandhi, 26
March 1942 at Anand Bhawan, Allahabad
Feroze grew close to the Nehru family, especially Indira's mother
Kamala Nehru and Indira herself. He even accompanied ailing Kamala
Nehru to the TB Sanatorium at Bhowali in 1934 and was visited by both
Indira and Nehru (from Almora Jail) in December, and seeing his
devotion to Kamala, Nehru was deeply impressed. Feroze stayed with
Kamala till she left Europe when her condition worsened in April
1935, never to return as she eventually died in 1936 in Laussane,
Switzerland.[3] In the following years, Indira and Feroze grew
further closer to each other while in England. They married in March
1942 according to Hindu rituals.[5]
Indira's father Jawaharlal Nehru strongly opposed her marriage to
Feroze and even approached Mahatma Gandhi to dissuade the young
couple, but to no avail. However, over the years, father-in-law and
son-in-law resolved their differences, especially with Feroze
adopting Gandhiji's ideology. The couple were arrested and jailed in
August 1942, during the Quit India Movement less than six months
after their marriage, he was imprisoned for a year in Allahabad's
Naini Central Prison. The coming five years were of comfortable
domestic life and the couple had two sons, Rajiv Gandhi and Sanjay
Gandhi, born in 1944 and 1946 respectively.
After independence, Jawaharlal became the first Prime Minister of
India. Feroze and Indira settled in Allahabad with their two young
children, and Feroze became Managing Director of The National Herald,
a newspaper founded by his father-in-law. He was also the first
chairman of Indian Oil Corporation Limited.
After remaining a member of the provincial parliament (1950-1952),
Feroze Gandhi contested independent India's first general elections
in 1952, from Rae Bareli constituency in Uttar Pradesh. Indira came
down from Delhi and worked as his campaign organizer, and he won.
Feroze soon became a prominent force in his own right, criticizing
the Government of his father-in-law and beginning a tirade against
corruption.
In the years after independence, many Indian business houses had
become close to the political leaders, and now some of them started
various financial irregularities. In a case exposed by Feroze in Dec
1955,[6] he revealed how Ram Kishan Dalmia, as chairman of a bank and
an insurance company, used these companies to fund his takeover of
Bennett and Coleman started transferring money illegally from
publicly-held companies for their own benefit.
In 1957, he was re-elected from Rae Bareli. In the parliament in
1958, he raised the Haridas Mundhra scandal involving the government
controlled LIC insurance company. This was a huge embarrassment to
the clean image of Nehru's government and eventually led to the
resignation of the Finance Minister T.T. Krishnamachari. His rift
with Indira had also become public knowledge by then, and added to
the media interest in the matter.
Feroze also initiated a number of nationalization drives, starting
with the Life Insurance Corporation. At one point he also suggested
that Telco be nationalized since they were charging nearly double the
price of a Japanese Railway engine. This raised a stir in the Parsi
community since the Tatas were also Parsi. He continued challenging
the government on a number of other issues, and emerged as a
parliamentarian well-respected on both sides of the bench.[6]
Death
Feroze suffered his first heart attack in 1958. Indira who stayed
with her father at Teen Murti House, the official Prime ministers
residence, was away with her father on state visit to Bhutan rushed
back and took him to recuperate in Kashmir, where with their young
boys, they were together again.[7] However, Feroze died in 1960 of a
second heart attack at the Willingdon Hospital, now Ram Manohar Lohia
Hospital, Delhi. He was later cremated and his ashes interred at the
Parsi cemetery in Allahabad, the town where his eldest brother
Fardiun's son, Rustom Gandhi's family still lives.[8] His Rae Bareli
Lok Sabha constituency seat, is now being held by his daughter-in-
law, and wife of Rajiv Gandhi, Sonia Gandhi. See also
Nehru-Gandhi family
References
"Biographical Sketch of First Lok Sabha". Parliament of India.
Retrieved 2009-04-16.
"Biographical Sketch of Second Lok Sabha". Parliament of India.
Retrieved 2009-04-16.
a b c d e f Frank, Katherine (2002). Indira: the life of Indira Nehru
Gandhi. Houghton Mifflin Co. ISBN 0-395-73097-X.
A forgotten patriot: Feroze Gandhi made a mark in politics at a
comparatively young age.. The Hindu, 20 October 2002.
"Mrs. Gandhi Not Hindu, Daughter-in-Law Says". New York Times. 2 May
1984. Retrieved 2009-03-29.
a b Shashi Bhushan, M.P. (1977). Feroze Gandhi: A political
Biography. Progressive People's Sector Publications, New
Delhi,.p.166, 179. See these excerpts
"Indira Gandhi's courage was an inspiration". Samay Live. 07 Nov
2009.
Kapoor, Comi (10 February 1998). "Dynasty keeps away from Feroze
Gandhi's neglected tombstone". The Indian Express. External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to: Feroze Gandhi Feroze Gandhi
Profile at Lok Sabha website.
Article in The Hindu
Indira Gandhi
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
Wikipedia information is not always correct as it is put in by
individuals -- not always well researched. The letter from Gandhi --
the Mahatma -- to Nehru taken froma collection of letters by Nehru
himself makes it clear that Feroze Gandhi was not a Hindu, not a
Parsi -- had he been one there would not have been any need for
witnesse. Gandhi's letter clearly states to have guests as witnesses
- it is as far as I know that only nikah in Muslim marriages require
witnesses. Gandhi wanted the whole kept low key and asked Nehru to
convey to few invitees they really need not come.
The information about Feroze's family is that his father - a Muslim -
- was grocer in Allahabad and it seems his mother was a Parsi. All
this may not be true either. There were some other relatives also --
there was a report that Rajiv had gone to attend some function in
some relatives family. I don't clearly recall all the details.
After some time Feroze had fallen out with Indira and Nehru and they
lives separately. Feroze didn't particularly like living in Nehru
household -- that is what I had gathered from stray sources -- no
guarantee of authenticity. Rumors cannot always be believed. So take
it with a handful of salt -- not just a pinch.
End of forwarded message from V. K.
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Forwarded message from M.
Sunday, December 19, 2010
New information, didn't see this one (Feroz's ancestry) before.
In any case appeasing muslims / Pakistan wasn't in Indira or Sanjay
Gandhi's priorities.
But Rajiv, Sonia & their children are Catholic.
They see VHP as a threat to conversion activities. So Rahul Gandhi
and his couriers like Pilot, Arjun, Digvijay plans to tie VHP with
terror tag and use the state machinery to restrict their activities
in the main theatres of conversion.
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Forwarded message from Kuru
Sunday, December 19, 2010
The whole account of his life seems to be expertly fabricated and
tailored to move the gullible Hindu Heart.
The reality is different. Feroze who seduced Indira was a Muslim
grocer's son and converted to Parsi Faith on Bapu Gandhi's
suggestion.
In the whole account we do not find the names of Feroze's FIRST
COUSINS, UNCLES, AUNTS AND GRANDPARENTS. The reason? They were all
MUSLIM.
Of course now these too will be fabricated to suit the politics of
the current BOGUS Gandhis. Surname "GANDHI" was, and is, deception
along the same way.
By the way, Koran too was said to be dictated by GOD Himself. Such
fraud, deception and lies have become the rigid BELIEF of all the
intellectually BLIND Muslims.
Similar lies and bluffs are common in Bharat, too, due to Ignorance
of the Hindus and the Islamic veneer over our entire native culture.
In all Islamic countries anyone doubting Allah's (God's) authorship
of Koran is KILLED immediately. Such fear also scares many a Hindu
into believing such sanitized accounts about Feroze and all the other
BOGUS Gandhis.
End of forwarded message from Kuru
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
INDEED, NEW INFORMATION.
(Created by Sarkar for the Slaves).
The whole account of his life seems to be expertly fabricated (re-
written) and tailored to move the gullible Hindu Heart.
The reality is different. Feroze who seduced Indira was a Muslim
grocer's son and converted to Parsi Faith on Bapu Gandhi's
suggestion.
In the whole account we do not find the names of Feroze's FIRST
COUSINS, UNCLES, AUNTS AND GRANDPARENTS. The reason? They were all
MUSLIM. Indira embraced ISLAM and did her nikah in a mosque. She went
to Mecca for pilgrimage at tax payer's expense. She looked at the
Sikhs through the eyes of Aurangzeb and at the Hindus through the
eyes of Hitler (her Emergency to seal everyone's lips.) The trouble
is that the Hindus do not with to handle any unpleasant truths. The
biggest one, PARTITION, has become unmentionable.
Of course now life of Feroze, too, will be fabricated to suit the
politics of the current BOGUS Gandhis. Surname "GANDHI" was, and is,
deception along the same way.
By the way, Koran too was said to be dictated by GOD Himself. Such
fraud, deception and lies have become the core BELIEF of all the
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I think he was not converted to Parsi faith on M. Gandhi's
suggestion. Only the surname Gandhi was adopted. Parsis do not accept
outsiders to Parsi religion. So also I don't know whether there are
Parsis with Gandhi surname.
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
When Rajiv Gandhi was the prime minister, during one of his visits to
Mumbai, he met up with the relatives of Feroze Gandhi, and they were
all Parsis.
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
1. I agree with "Kuru" that this is a total fabrication from the
start.
2. If he was a Parsi, he would not have been buried in a Cemetry but
thrown into the well to be devoured by the Eagles and kites and no
tomb would be there.
Under references "Kapoor, Comi (10 February 1998). "Dynasty keeps
away from Feroze Gandhi's neglected tombstone". The Indian Express.
http://www.indianexpress.com/old/ie/daily/19980210/04150074.html
The tomb stone exists only for Muslims and Christians.
3. If Kamla Nehru liked Feroz for saving her from the crowd after
fainting and looked after her, why was she objecting to the marriage
at all? Also Nehru was totally against the marriage with a "Muslim".
4. Indeed Feroz's mother was a Parsi from Bharuch with surname
Ghandy, whose relatives still live in Mumbai, migrating during the
1930-s or earlier. But she was married to Nawab Khan of Junagadh
after converting her to Islam and took her to Allahabad. It is still
uncertain whether he was born in Bombay or Allahabad as the son of a
poor grocer, meeting the needs of Anandbhavan including liquor.
5. Feroz too used to visit Anandbhavan for delivering the supplies
and got closer to Indira Priyadarshini who was staying alone with
Nehru mostly away imprisoned by British and Kamla too at Switzerland
Sanatorium for her TB treatments.
6. It might be true that Nehru Family helped him to be educated both
in Allahabad and later in London through Nehru's connections and
funding. It might also be true that Feroz Khan- why should Feroz use
his mother's surname?- had close affinity to Nehru family and the
marriage with Indira after converting her to Islam and changing her
name to Maimunnah Begum took place in London, in spite of objections
from Nehru and Kamla.
7. When they returned to India as Muslim couples, it is Mahatma
Gandhi who met them in the absence of Nehru and disapproved their
Muslim names that would block their rise in Indian Politics and
MAHATMA GANDHI FOUND THE SOLUTION BY LEGALLY ADOPTING FEROZ KHAN AS
HIS SON AND ALLOWED HIM TO USE HIS SURNAME GANDHI. That is how Feroz
Khan became Feroz Gandhi, and the dynasty continued the Gandhi name
to camouflage their real identities..
8. Nehru family is accustomed to fabricating their bio-data as all of
them -Rajiv, Sanjay, Sonia or even Rahul have faked up educational
qualifications emntioned in records without completing any recognized
educational courses in any University! Sonia's Lok Sabha Register
entry as a graduate in Eng.Litt. is a typical example how the dynasty
try to cheat the public and would not have been exposed but for
Dr.Subramanyaswamy's sustained attempts and written clarification
from Cambridge University of the lies.
Same applies to the Prince charming aspiring to be PM, whose
qualifications again are faked up.
9. Nehru dynasty never fail to observe their Hindu rites in
duplication for public consumption, be it the repeated marriage
ceremony of Feroz at the instance of Mahatma Gandhi in 1942 at
Anandbhavan, or the cremation of Rajiv under Hindu rites though he
was converted to Catholic Christianity and adopted the name Roberto,
or cremation of Sanjay Gandhi whose biological father was Muhammad
Yunus- who was wailing loudly at the site of the crash and took
possession of the body for the rites under Islam before handing over
the body to Indira for public display and cremation.
We see every day how the staunch Catholic Sonia sports red vermillion
on her forehead, and so does her son Raol- Rahul Gandhi when they
visit the different parts of the Country esp. villages to exhibit
themselves as Hindu-s!!
10. Let the authors of Wikipedia bring out supporting documents of
his birth certificate to confirm he was born in Mumbai as well as the
evidences that he was born a Parsi and not Muslim.
If he was a Hindu as the marriage photo at Anandbhavan as shown, he
should have been cremated and not buried as a Muslim with a tomb and
not thrown into the fire-temple well as Pasi-s dispose of their
bodies!!
11. References are also given of Parliament records to support the
contentions, but these need further clarification as even Lok Sabha
recorsd are tampered by Congress Party.
End of forwarded message from S. K.
Mirza Ghalib
Jai Maharaj) wrote:
> Forwarded message from S. K.
>
> Sunday, December 19, 2010
>
> 1. I agree with "Kuru" that this is a total fabrication from the
> start.
>
> 2. If he was a Parsi, he would not have been buried in a Cemetry but
> thrown into the well to be devoured by the Eagles and kites and no
> tomb would be there.
>
> Under references "Kapoor, Comi (10 February 1998). "Dynasty keeps
> away from Feroze Gandhi's neglected tombstone". The Indian Express.
>
> http://www.indianexpress.com/old/ie/daily/19980210/04150074.html
>
>
> by forgery by one or more net terrorists,
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Aaah-so !! So that 35-pound man whose last name
Feroze adopted had this skeleton buried in his
closet. Strange he, being a Satya-Ahinsa worshiper,
did not mention this very important episode in his
so-called "My Experiments with Truth", while he
writes in detail about his sexual encounter with
his wife while his father was dying in the next room.
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
The wikipedia says: "He was later cremated and his ashes interred at
the Parsi cemetery in Allahabad..."
Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feroze_Gandhi#Death
End of forwarded message from A. C.
Myself, Mallu. Yourself?
1. Maybe there is no 'truth' in the claim that Feroze Gandhi was
'adopted' as a son by MK Gandhi (aka the '35-pound' Mahatma) as an
experiment. And so, it does not show up in the MK Gandhi's book. Of
course, Seymour Hersh might have a source or two that would provide
evidence to the contrary.
2. Dunno what the '35-pound' man's sexual encounter has anything to do
with the argument, unless you're suggesting that F Gandhi was somehow
progeny and not adopted. Feroze Gandhi does not look anything like Ba or
the Mahatma. :-)
3. There are several Parsi 'cemeteries' - in Poona, Nagpur, Mussoorie,
... Heck, there is a Parsi 'cemetery' in Singapore. So what? Not all
Hindus cremate their dead either.
4. Thank god for small mercies that people keep away from F Gandhi's
'tomb'. Now to get Indians to keep away from tombs, memorials, *ghats,
statues ... and actually do some honest work.
--
VB, Just itchy
'ome=shanty
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Sunday, December 19, 2010
Our Great Satyavadi Mahatma had suggested that Feroze changes his
Family name only as GANDHI without any change of religion to fool the
Indian public.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
I remember having read Rajiv Gandhi's visit to Mumbai and meeting his
father's relatives. If indeed Feroze was a Parsi what was the need
for Mahatma Gandhi to keep the marriage such secret and asking
invitees to not really come to the marriage and witnesses. Why was
such hateful mails from the Muslims?
He wrote about it in Harijan. Is it possible to see what he wrote --
It was towards the end of March 1942. The letter to Nehru was written
on March 22, 1942
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Monday, December 20, 2010
RE "If indeed Feroze was a Parsi what was the need for Mahatma Gandhi
to keep the marriage such secret and asking invitees to not really
come to the marriage and witnesses."
The manner the above is put, gives an impression that perhaps, just
perhaps, Feroze-ji was not a Parsi. Could there have been other
reasons why the marriage was kept a 'secret' if at all that is what
the Mahatma intended? Perhaps, just perhaps, the Mahatma wanted the
wedding to be a small affair. In any case, such events cannot be
kept a secret.
RE hateful mails from the Muslims. I think these had nothing to do
with the marriage. The concerned letter from the Mahatma was posted
here, and, I think, the mails were on another topic.
I am not able to locate the letter.
End of forwarded message from A. C.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
What you say is correct. But why should we now worry about the
religion of Feroz Gandhi or Indira Gandhi. We should worry about the
faith of the present claiments of this Gandhi family which is
Christian which while camouflaging as Hindus are fooling the people
of India and helping conversion of Hindus to Christianity in large
scale.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
Instead of innuendo we should try and stay with facts.
Just like most other members I am not overjoyed with Rahul Gandhi's
comments,and o or with the antics of the Congress
Though if one is too start making accusations of parental religious
affiliations , then one must be a bit mindful of veracity.
It should not take much for a group of journalistic sleuths, to
verify Faredun Gandhi's family tree.
He his sons are being passed off as parsis, according to some(many?)
Do parsis accept converts?
Not as far as I know?
- R. C.
P.S. Yes, parsis do bury their dead, if a Towers or Silence facility
is not available. That is why there is a, now dilapidated, Parsi
cemetry in Allahabad. Unless the learned scribes on this list are
going to suggest it is actually a muslim cemetry, and this is all a
conspiracy of the congress party.
see also an article from the IE a few years ago.
10 Janpath silent, Gandhi nephew calls up ill aunt
By Sunanda Mehta
Posted: Oct 16, 2005 at 0121 hrs IST
Pune, October 15 - She may not have heard from her family directly,
but the Gandhi family in New Delhi seems to have begun low-key
efforts to bail out their forgotten relative, 86-year-old Shernaz
Gandhi, sister-in-law of the late Indira Gandhi and aunt to Rajiv
Gandhi.
A government official visited Shernaz Gandhi on September 27,
apparently on New Delhi's orders, at a Pune hospital. That was a day
after Express carried the story of the widow of Dorab Gandhi, elder
brother of Feroze Gandhi, fighting for pension that the UP government
had not paid for 30 years.
Five days ago, Rustom Gandhi, son of Faredun, eldest of the three
Gandhi brothers -- Faredun, Dorab and Feroze -- called up Dara
Supariwalla, at whose house Shernaz has been staying for 15 years.
"We had no idea that Shernaz was in Pune and in this condition," said
Rustom. Shernaz is recovering from a hip operation. "After she left
Allahabad, she went to stay with her brother in Mumbai and did not
keep in touch with the family." Rustom added: "I got enquiries from
10 Janpath about her and have since been in touch with them about her
condition."
Help is on way from the Gandhi family, said Rustom, whose father had
assisted Shernaz in selling off her Allahabad bungalow after his
younger brother Dorab, an agricultural engineer with the UP
government, passed away in 1976. "They will be extending help to her
very soon -- both medical and financial," he said.
http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/80153/
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Monday, December 20, 2010
There is no confusion at all.
Feroze's Father was a Muslim with family name KHAN.
Feroze's Mother was a Parsi , with a family name of "GHANDY" who
married Feroze's father by converting to Islam.
Feroze Khan never changed his religion and remained Muslim according
to accepted traditions of Muslims and most Indians that a person
adopts father's surname and religion unless he specifically changes
religion.
Nehru and Kamla Nehru were both against the marriage of their
daughter and were very worried that Indian public will not like this
marriage.
The Great Mahatma Gandhi came to the rescue of JL Nehru and suggested
that Feroze Khan changes his name to be Feroze Gandhi and that JL
Nehru should keep the marriage free of Guests and invite only
reliable friends who can act as witnesses to this doctored and
fabricated Marriage by Mahatma Mohanlal Ji Karamchand Ji Gandhi Ji.
End of forwarded message from H. K.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
It should be clear that right from the beginning this Nehru-Gandhi
family is fooling the people. Ther was no necessity of having another
marriage ceremony performed if it was already performed in London. At
the most a reception should have been held. If they wanted to re-
convert them to Hinduism a re-conversion ceremony should have been
held. Simply changing the name and having a fresh marriage ceremony
clearly shows their intention to fool the people with the connaivance
of Mahatma Gandhi. It appears that the same trend is being continued
by the family.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
Indira Gandhi was the Prime minister of India, and led the nation in
defeating Pakistan in 1971.
Imagine the situation today if Pakistan wasn't bifurcated in 1971.
She wasn't appeasing anyone.
Her biggest fault was her intolerance for dissent & democracy.
She wasn't the Aurangzeb killing Sikhs. This distinction goes to her
son Rajiv Gandhi.
Indira Gandhi was an autocrat, and tampered with the institutions
that safeguards democracy, killing Judges, enforcing emergency to
circumvent elections. In doing so she tampered the status quo, the
civilization moved towards the opposition while Congress held on to
the discontents.
Now, the Congress party fights with regional, caste, class and
religious satraps for the imagination of the discontents. while BJP
is perced above with the status quo Indian civilization.
The Congress of today is still in transition, trying to put a face
that better represents the discontents -- people who left Hinduism,
or people left out of civilization. A little help from BJP brushing
the Gandhi family with Islamic and Christian colors may help Congress
consolidate their new support base. But it will hurt BJP's youth face
in UP, Varun Gandhi.
End of forwarded message from M.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Monday, December 20, 2010
HK-ji is 100% right. Our great Mahatma Gandhi was in the business of
Harijan upliftment (good thing for all). On daily basis, he was
writing letters to parents of Harijan boys/girls when they were
planning to marry in upward direction. Mahatma had acquired a
Teflon coated matrimonial expertise that he was happy to offer Nehru
family on Indira marrying a Muslim boy (similar taboo existed those
days as today based on last name). The Last name changing is quite
common among Parsis (can you imagine last names like engineer,
contractor and also in telephone yellow book....). Choosing the
Gandhi name was clever "branding" by our master Mahatma to hide
Firoz's true Muslim identity.
If Mahatma was alive today, Osama would have been "renamed" as Om
Patel by Congress to make him feel civilized and welcome in
Bollywood.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
No one is interested in knowing the true historic facts. It is a
regular cynical feature that appears couple of times a year just to
maligning, surprisingly, only one side of the same family, the
height of objectivity, you would say.
They are two cousins who had a common grandmother (a Hindu) and
grandfather (a Parsee ?). Surprisingly one cousin who is a political
opponent, inherits all the Muslim traits and the other cousin who
joined the BJP becomes a whiter than white Hindu. Ironically, He
uses his name as Feroz Varun Gandhi as it appears in all the official
papers. but we Hindus love to call him as Varun Sanjay Gandhi
End of forwarded message from D. T.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
1. First the Gandhi surnames. It is Feroz Khan son of the grocer of
equally criminal act, which started all these controversies with
cascading effects.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
I will recommend that people start to read up and familiarize
themselves with Parsi (Zoroastrian) customs.
1. CONVERSION:
It is not possible to convert to Zoroastrianism.
Parsis as Zoroastrians are known do NOT marry outside their
community.
If a lady marries outside their community, she loses her Zoroastrian
stature, and her offspring will not be Zoroastrians...
This means that even if Firoze's father was a Muslim, he could NOT
have converted to Zoroastrianism He would have not been accepted.
His wife is Parsi. No one is suggesting that she was not.
They had three sons,
Dorab, Feroze, and Rustom.
Dorab married Shenaz.
Rustom has a son who live sin London
NO ONE is suggesting that they are not accepted by the Parsi
community as Parsi.
Since the Parsi community have a rule, that an offspring of Parsi
lady and non Parsi male, are not acceptable as Parsis, it stands to
reason that their father Jehangir Faredoon was also a Parsi, not a
Muslim.
What Paris websites have to say?
'Feroze Gandhi was born on September 12, 1912, in a Parsi family.
His mother was Ratimai and father Jehangir Faredoon.
Feroze Gandhi was born in Tehmulji Nariman Hospital situated in the
fashionable Fort area of Bombay, a city which had earned distinction
for its Parsi community's characteristics. His parents lived in
Nauroji Natakwala Bhawan in Khetwadi Mohalla, a locality of this
metropolis.
2. Funeral customs.
It is correct that the preferred Zoroastrian practice was to leave
the dead body to the elements, expose so that it could decay, be
eaten by vultures whatever.
The dead body ad no significance, just as in the Hindu custom where
it is cremated and the ashes disbursed.
Where and how the custom of burying bodes was started by the Parsis,
is unknown to me, but a fact is that was a Parsi cemetery in
Allahabad and there may well be such centres elsewhere,
At the same time cremating the body would not be outside of the
acceptable funeral rituals, nor would burial of the ashes either.
They just would have no significance in the Parsi Dharma. It was not
a ritual requirement as per Parsi canon.
It should be fairly simple to check his school records, his college
records, and see what names he used, and what religion he professed
to be of.
It should also be fairly simple to verify the records of his father,
from Gujarat.
Since no Parsi site is claiming otherwise, do we need to continue
believing and furthering this internet gossip?
End of forwarded message from R. C.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
This raises an important issue. As per your post Feroze Gandhi's
father's name was Ferdoon -- then how did Feroze's last name become
Gandhi?
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Monday, December 20, 2010
I am not sure it is very important.
We are talking about the early 20th century.
It was not a big deal to change one's surname.,and was not considered
a big deal either.
Parsis commonly used any name. they were not hung up on it.
I have a dear Parsi friend. His last name is Nicholson. Asked why? He
said his grandfather used to trade with a Scottish co called
"Nicholson and Co."
He changed his last name to that.
It has continued down the family line.
Some other parsi names -- Contractor, Daruwala, Rassiwala.
End of forwarded message from R. C.
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Om Shanti
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Monday, December 20, 2010
It is true that Parsis in most cases have taken the names of their
professions or after the city of residence. Many have adopted
Gujarati last names like Patel, Mehta -- even Gandhi is a Gujarati
(Indian) name. Parsi last name Ghandy is not necessarily Parsi -- it
is different spelling of the same name Gandhi -- Jehangir Ghandy who
used the Managing Director of Tisco in the fifties used that
spelling. It is like some Kansal writing it as Consul or a Kapoor
writing it as Capor.
In the North caste based last names were not very common till
recently like they were in some other parts. Even now many don't use
last names based on caste or community. In many cases what is part of
first name has become the last name.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
Okay, we all agree that innocent little Feroz changed his last name
from Ferdoon to Gandhi. It may or may not be a casual name picked
out of blue. However, knowing political savvy of little Feroz, it
was carefully chosen as a "brand" that would fool gullible Hindus.
Even today, Gandhi is a brand like Mother Teresa in the west. Just
like large RED bindis (brand) planted on Gandhi’s foreheads today -
not for fashion, obviously.
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Monday, December 20, 2010
The present diversity of the Indian leadership is quite amazing.
We had a Pandit and a Shastri for the first thirty years. - Congress
Then we had a Panditni married to a Parsi. Indira G- Congress
Then a Thakur. V.P Singh - JD
Then again a Pandit - Parsi offspring Rajiv G - Congress
Then a Telegu Brahmin Narasimha Rao- Congress
Then a Kannadiga H D Deva Gowda - JD
Then a UP Brahmin Bajpai - BJP
Then a Sikh - Manmohan Singh - Congress
The last one is from a Sant Sipahi community, but possibly the most
nonviolent and democratic of Indian PM's. The party really begin with
MMS, he democraticed corruption - small fries like Raja and Baalu
were looting billions while the PM was sending them emails asking for
restraint. This gentleman reminds me of the British cops (Joey) who
move around with a stick chasing snatchers. When he sees someone
snatching, he blows a whistle, the snatcher is supposed to stop once
the whistle is blown. If the snatcher doesn't stop he blows the
whistle one more time.
In US they say, "Stop or I'll shoot"
In UK the Joey says "Stop or I'll blow a whistle"
MMS was blowing his whistle while Raja was laughing his way to the
bank.
Nehru and Indira monopolized corruption. They were in the league of
Jayalalitha and Laloo Yadav. Narasimha Rao promoted corruption in the
cabinet, everyone was busy collecting the loot s/he is entitled to.
Bajpai was a clean man, outsourced looting to the regional satrap. As
the loot becomes a steady flow, it also establishes and stabilizes
the status quo of the day. The rulers and opposition are no longer at
war. They establish truce, and start becoming partners. In crime.
But politcal activity has to go on. If only at the lower levels.
They throw crumbs and sound bytes. hindu terrorism etc etc - the
lower level workers need something to argue and keep busy. This
generates political activity. Important for a mature democracy, that
has started taxing the bottom to feed the top.
End of forwarded message from M.
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Tuesday, December 21, 2010
> NO ONE is suggesting that they are not accepted by the Parsi
> community as Parsi.
An ambiguous statement. NO ONE also suggested that they were accepted
as Parsi-s as the Nikkah was held in London and the mock marriage as
per Hindu custom was enacted under the supervision of mahatma Gandhi
with very limited no. of invitees within the house, the photograph of
which was shown with the posting. It was a Political wedding for
public consumption.
Parsi is not a converting religion. They coalesced with Gujarati-s
around Surat and mostly adopted surnames related to their trade like
Vijay merchant or Topiwallah..etc. Ghandy in Gujarati means mentally
retarded or insane whereas Gandhi means a merchant keeping accounts.
The fact that Feroz was buried and even now people pay respects at
his grave shows the Islamic custom and not of Parsi-s. Parsi-s do not
go back to their dead and venerate them. To presume that in the
absence of the Fire Temple and disposal well for corposes to be eaten
away by vultures, the body was buried is unlikely, as his Hindu
marriage so brazenly enacted should have led to cremation!!
But, it should be remembered that he was a nuisance to Jawaharlal as
he was frequently asking for funds and favours and Nehru had
instructed nt to allow Feroz into his chambers. His later life was
miserable after divorce and Sanjiv Gandhi born of Muhammad Yunus and
his knowing about the fact< and had a miserable end, discarded by
most family members.
If he had blood relations at Bombay who were claimed to be affluent,
he would have migrated to Bombay rather than hanging around Nehru
family.
Read MO Mathai's book on Nehru family as he was the only one close to
the entire family right from the days of Nehru's younger days in the
jails and he has given all details about Feroz and all other members
of the family -- the book is proscribed by Nehru family.
End of forwarded message from S. K.