Muslims here decry religious extremism
Roger
July 30, 2005
BY EMILY NGO Staff Reporter
In light of bomb attacks in London and Egypt, Muslim interest groups in
Chicago on Friday joined Muslims nationwide in publicly decrying acts of
violence performed for religion's sake.
Several Muslim interest groups here officially endorsed the fatwa, or
religious decree, issued by the Fiqh Council of North America against
religious extremism.
According to the teachings of the Quran, acts of terrorism targeting
innocents are forbidden in Islam, the fatwa reads. The decree seeks to
remind Muslims that Islam condemns violence and to assure non-Muslims that
not all of the Islamic world resorts to violent means.
"We believe suicide bombing is criminal and sinful," said Imam Abdul Malik
Mujahid, chairman of the Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater
Chicago. "Killing civilians, for whatever cause, will result in God's utter
displeasure."
Ahmed Rehab, of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Mohammed
Kaiseruddin, president of the Muslim Community Center, and other area
leaders joined Mujahid at the Downtown Islamic Center, 231 S. State, to
announce their support of the fatwa.
'Educational process' to all
"If we knew any terrorists, we wouldn't be holding a press conference, we'd
be calling 911," Mujahid said, adding that Islamic residents are a "clean
community."
To dispel misconceptions of the Islamic community, energies should be
focused on educating young Muslims, said Sheikh Kifah Mustapha, of the
Mosque Foundation.
"Misinterpretation of the texts by youths [can lead to] blowing up people
worldwide," said Mustapha, who heads education efforts in Bridgeview.
The Council of Islamic Organizations of Greater Chicago will host a youth
summit this weekend in Villa Park to help "young people leading the
community" contribute to a more positive Muslim image, said council director
Muneer Aliuddin.
"You cannot take the lives of human beings at any cost," Mujahid said. "The
fatwa is an educational process to Muslims and non-Muslims."
http://www.suntimes.com/output/terror/cst-nws-fatwa30.html
Topaz
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"The Jews were very influential in Germany after the First World War.
They were strongly entrenched in the legal profession, in banking, in
advertising and merchandising, in show business, in organized vice, in
publishing and other media. They were trying hard to change the spirit
of Germany. They were pushing modernism in art, music, and literature.
They were pushing for "diversity" and "tolerance." They were
ridiculing German tradition and culture and morality and the German
sense of personal honor, trying hard to make young Germans believe
that it was "cool" to be rootless and cosmopolitan. They were
promoting the same culture of lies that they have been promoting here.
That was the so-called "Weimar" period, because right after the First
World War some important government business, including the
ratification of a new German constitution, took place in the city of
Weimar. The Jews loved the Weimar period, but it was, in fact, the
most degenerate period in Germany's history. The Jews, of course,
didn't think of it as
degenerate. They thought of it as "modern" and "progressive" and
"cool." Really, it was a very Jewish period, where lying was
considered a virtue. The Jews were riding high. Many books have been
written by Jews in America about Weimar Germany, all praising it to
the skies and looking back on it with nostalgia. Even without the
so-called
"Holocaust," they never have forgiven the Nazis for bringing an end to
the Weimar period.
There was a Hollywood film made 30 years ago, in 1972, about Weimar
Germany. The film was called Cabaret, and it starred Liza Minelli. It
depicted Berlin night life, with all its degeneracy, including the
flourishing of homosexuality, and also depicted the fight between the
communists and the Jews and the other proponents of modernism on the
one
hand and the Nazis on the other hand. The Hollywood filmmakers, of
course, were solidly on the side of the degenerates and portrayed the
Nazis as the bad guys, but this film is another example of the Jews
outsmarting themselves. The Jews who made the film saw everything from
their viewpoint, through their own eyes, and the degenerate Gentiles
under their spell also saw things from the Jewish viewpoint, but the
Jews apparently didn't stop to think -- or didn't care -- that a
normal, healthy White person would view things differently. Check it
out for yourself. Cabaret is still available in video stores.
The point I am making is this: In the 1920s, after the First World
War, the Jews were trying to do to Germany what they began doing to
America after the Second World War, in the 1960s. Many Germans, the
healthiest elements in Germany, resisted the Jews' efforts, just as
many Americans have resisted the Jews' efforts in America. In Germany
the Jews were a bit premature. Although they had much of the media
under their control,
they didn't control all of the media. They tried to move too fast. The
healthiest Germans resisted and beat them.
In America, in the 1960s, the Jews had almost total media control
before they began their big push, and they proceeded more carefully.
In America they are winning. The culture of lies has prevailed in
America. It's still possible for Americans to win, but it's going to
be a lot tougher this time. We'd better get started. The first step is
to regain at least partial control of our media, so that we can begin
contradicting the lies. This American Dissident Voices broadcast is a
part of that first step."
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old hoodoo
Roger wrote:
But are the american muslims true muslims or corrupted with the disease
of capitlaism, prosperity, and African-American sports stars?
A true muslim follows the Koran strictly and gives his loyalty to other
muslims worldwide, not a secular country. When our watered down Muslims
visit Mecca, the women cover their faces....immediately backsliding into
true Islam, but while they are in the States, they lose that connection
with the old ways due to fitting in with secular interests.
Comparing our watered-down Muslims with secular interests in the United
States to the Muslims of other nations is comparing apples and oranges.
We like our watered down Muslims. We like our watered down Christians.
We like our watered down Jews...and our watered down atheists. They
are us and we are them. Being a both a dejure and defacto secular nation
with protection of individual rights has allowed America to prosper both
economically and socially in many ways, but we cannot compare ourselves
to anywhere else in the world.
Our secular values don't fit in regions that live socioeconomically and
culturally speaking, hundreds of years in the past. You have to bring
economic improvements to individual people (not just fat cat dictators
and Kings) in order for them to shed their outdated and culturally crude
old ways. Extremist religions tone down their rhetoric and control when
secular issues are at stake. Which is why extremists like Osama Bin
Laden want to take the world back hundreds of years.
That is the dilemna. You can't bring democracy to tribal mentalities
unless you establish secular control over all aspects of life.
Democracies are lousy in terms of establishing control. Dictatorships
and monarchies establish control but most dictators and monarchs are
selfish bastards.
It takes a lot of patience, planning, selflessness, and good will to
raise people out of the muck... which are concepts that radicals, be
they Islamic Fundamentalists, left winger Democrats. or right wing
Republicans don't want to embrace.
Scotius
wrote:
> By Dr. William Pierce
>http://www.natvan.com
Cool e-mail name Topaz. "mar...@hotmail.com". That's
interesting. William Pierce always claimed to NOT be running a group
of neo nazis, but I guess he was lying after all. You're "mars33" name
is clearly a reference to "mars" the "god of war", and "33" is a
reference to Hitler's first year in power in Germany. I guess your
whole name would mean something like "war against the Jews", right?
Do a quick check and see how many Jews live in Germany. Check
and see how many lived there in the 1980s. Then, go check and see
about the "nightlife" in the German cities in the 1980s.
Fact is, after WW II very few Jews live in Germany, yet the
Germany of the 1990s was permissiveness personified, and the 1990s
were more of the same. It's been said that there is not a big
difference between some German cities and Holland's Amsterdam, where
apparently just about anything goes.
Topaz
>
> Cool e-mail name Topaz. "mar...@hotmail.com". That's
It's 1933
>interesting. William Pierce always claimed to NOT be running a group
>of neo nazis, but I guess he was lying after all.
If by "neo nazis" you mean Hollywood Nazis, he certainly wasn't
lying. We don't call our selves "neo nazis" anyway. That is a term
someone from the Jewish controlled media invented.
> You're "mars33" name
>is clearly a reference to "mars" the "god of war", and "33" is a
>reference to Hitler's first year in power in Germany. I guess your
>whole name would mean something like "war against the Jews", right?
I don't speak for Pierce. I am not a spokesman for any group in
particular. But what I am saying is Heil Hitler.
>
> Do a quick check and see how many Jews live in Germany. Check
>and see how many lived there in the 1980s. Then, go check and see
>about the "nightlife" in the German cities in the 1980s.
> Fact is, after WW II very few Jews live in Germany, yet the
>Germany of the 1990s was permissiveness personified,
> and the 1990s
>were more of the same. It's been said that there is not a big
>difference between some German cities and Holland's Amsterdam, where
>apparently just about anything goes.
The leftists won the war.
john fernbach
violence.
As for Muslims being "backward" vis a vis our secular society -
personally, I partly
agree, partly disagree.
One real strength of Muslim traditions and Muslim religious beliefs,
from what I've read,
is that the Koran and mullahs and imams emphasize the obligation of the
rich to practice charity towards the poor. Islam is not "socialistic"
in the sense of calling for the state to own all the oil wells and
farms and factories. But those who are well off are thought to have a
deep ethical obligation to help those who are less well off.
The same thinking can be found in the Jewish and Christian scriptures,
of course. But in our secular US society, all too many of us ignore
the teachings. Maybe that explains some of the attractions of Muslim
tradition and Muslim religious belief.
I write this a confirmed secularist who was more or less raised as a
Christian, by the way. And I don't want my nieces to have to wear head
scarves or burkas, or to be subject to instant divorce upon the whims
of their husbands. I don't intend to convert to Islam. But let's give
credit to the religion and the tradition where credit is due.