Most Muslims Hate The U.S. This Has Been True For Many Decades
Clint Hunter
increasing anti-U.S. Muslim
feelings. But this has nothing to do with Muslim Western hatred which
was rekindled by Ayatollah Khomeini's fundamentalist revolution way
back in 1979 under the Carter administration.
GoMavs
selective memory on supreme court judges who they have chose who have gone
against their wishes.. and the political wheel keeps spinning.
"Clint Hunter" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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GoMavs
"Ray Deletoro" <RayDe...@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:47:02 +0000, GoMavs wrote:
> Oh wait.....don't they hate us for our "freedoms"? Lol. Someome ought
> the plaster the capital with pictures of the VICTIMS of American foreign
> policy over the last 50 years.
>
"Victims." Allende was a victim much like OJ was a victim.
> Somebody has to remind our political assholes - "They" hate us because of
> the murders, theft, terror and overthrown democracies. They hate us
> because of bomb-mangled bodies and the sheer volume of never ending lies
> and propaganda. They hate us because......
>
> Fuck this government.
They hate us because they feel Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
If you want to fuck the government then why not move to Venezuela? After-all
it is better in Venezuela. You can release some of your information to the
Venezuela government since youre so educated and let them know how we
victimized Castro, and others.
Roger
Bet you don't even know the country with the most Muslims.
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Roger
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Matti Partonen
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There are some 1300 million muslims in the world. Are you saying that more
than 650 million of them hate the US? Your source?
It does appear that what you call "Muslim Western hatred" has roots that
extend beyond Islam.
For example, the people of Iran - formerly Persia - still do not quite
understand why Western history books call "Alexander the Great" the
Macedonian king who invaded their country some 300 BC. To them Alexander was
an invader who came to disturb their life. There was no Islam back then.
My take on this is that the politics of power, employed by Western countries
for a long time, are pretty much at the root of this "hatred".
Matti P.
Ramon F Herrera
wrote:
> "Clint Hunter" <cicer...@rogers.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1172147175.8...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Liberals blame the Bush invasions if Afghanistan and Iraq for
> > increasing anti-U.S. Muslim
> > feelings. But this has nothing to do with Muslim Western hatred which
> > was rekindled by Ayatollah Khomeini's fundamentalist revolution way
> > back in 1979 under the Carter administration.
>
> >http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/Print.do?articleId=1415550
>
> There are some 1300 million muslims in the world. Are you saying that more
> than 650 million of them hate the US? Your source?
>
Well, maybe not all Muslims hate the USA or support/are terrorists per
se, but...
Not a single Muslim organization in the USA (or elsewhere) has
repudiated the Coran's teaching where it says that it is ok to kill
infidels and you will get 100 virgins if you do so.
-Ramon
GoMavs
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> Silly fuck.
good rebuttal.. I will take that as admittance.
Captain Compassion
wrote:
Even before that. Remember the Arab oil embargo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Oil_Embargo
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
dar...@NOSPAMverizon.net
Ron O'Neal
"Clint Hunter" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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The current mistrust of the US by Middle Eastern Muslim nations has many of
its roots in 1948 when the modern state of Israel was created.
Among the Middle Eastern nations, only Jordan and Egypt have officially
recognized Israel as legitimate.
RO
Winston Smith, American Patriot
What a moron!
I live in a city of 3-4 million Muslims right now, and perhaps 50 of them
would probably believe that load you just shoveled here...and of those,
they would not have described such a belief until you described it for
them the first time!
There is no teaching in the Koran of killing the "infidel" any more than
there is a passage in the Bible that permits extermination of the
unbeliever.
It's the Pat Robertsons, the George W. Bushes, and the Osama bin Ladens
that pervert religious doctrine to serve their own ends, you pinhead.
Baldin Lee Pramer
<FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
> There is no teaching in the Koran of killing the "infidel" any more than
> there is a passage in the Bible that permits extermination of the
> unbeliever.
"And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods
with God wherever you shall find them; and seize them, besiege them,
and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall
convert,
and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go
their
way." Sura 9:5
Baldin Lee Pramer
Winston Smith, American Patriot
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones,
and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying
with him, keep alive for yourselves.
===Numbers 31: 17-18
Allegedly "God's" instructions to Moses and Israelites to kill
Midianite boys and make the girls (sex) slaves
When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD
thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken
them captive,
And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire
unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave
her head, and pare her nails;
And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and
shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a
full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her
husband, and she shall be thy wife.
=== Deuteronomy 21:10-13
God conveniently again provides the Israelites the ability to kill
the infidel, enslave (sexually?) their captive women, and the rest
is obvious
Yes, I guess there are countless examples of the Chosen Ones---Muslims,
Jews, or Christians----having their god give them a license to work
their will.
And I guess the Muslims around me denying they have the license to kill
infidels are just as much liars as the Christians around me who too deny
they have a license to kill heretics.
Which explains why I renounce any affiliation with Abraham or his
homicidal and genocidal descendants.
C J Nelson
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:47:02 +0000, GoMavs wrote:
> > selective memory on supreme court judges who they have chose who have gone
> > against their wishes.. and the political wheel keeps spinning.
>
> the plaster the capital with pictures of the VICTIMS of American foreign
> policy over the last 50 years.
>
> the murders, theft, terror and overthrown democracies. They hate us
> because of bomb-mangled bodies and the sheer volume of never ending lies
> and propaganda. They hate us because......
>
> Fuck this government.
Hey SH%$ for brains, if you don't like it here you can always leave.
No one is making you stay.
Perhaps you find life more accomadating in the wonderland Chavez is
going to build.
Or perhaps help Cuba's communist help pick up the pieces when Fidel
drops dead.
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"Clint Hunter" <cice...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> Liberals blame the Bush invasions if Afghanistan and Iraq for
> increasing anti-U.S. Muslim
> feelings. But this has nothing to do with Muslim Western hatred which
> was rekindled by Ayatollah Khomeini's fundamentalist revolution way
> back in 1979 under the Carter administration.
rofl Doesn't get much stupider than this.
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>
> "Ray Deletoro" <RayDe...@spamtrap.net> wrote in message
> news:12tr56k...@news.supernews.com...
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 12:47:02 +0000, GoMavs wrote:
>> Oh wait.....don't they hate us for our "freedoms"? Lol. Someome ought
>> the plaster the capital with pictures of the VICTIMS of American foreign
>> policy over the last 50 years.
>>
>
> "Victims." Allende was a victim much like OJ was a victim.
>
>
>
>> Somebody has to remind our political assholes - "They" hate us because of
>> the murders, theft, terror and overthrown democracies. They hate us
>> because of bomb-mangled bodies and the sheer volume of never ending lies
>> and propaganda. They hate us because......
>>
>> Fuck this government.
>
> They hate us because they feel Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
Sure, our burning 100,000 of their kids alive? No problem. lol
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You forget - none of that drool you wrote is worthy of attention in the
first place.
Baldin Lee Pramer
<FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
> "Baldin Lee Pramer" <BaldinPra...@msn.com> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
Prezactly.
BLP
carmen...@hotmail.com
You have YOU stay here in police state America! YOU LIKE being a
slave on the globalist plantation. Anyone in their right mind would
not trust government. You are a moron. Our troops are being used for
imperial hegemony. Our rights have been destroyed (yes you have no
more rights). Our sovereignty erased (the SPP), it's over for America,
blind fool.
It's now the North American Union.
http://www.spp.gov/ Bow down to your NEW masters, the ones who HIDE
behind the curtain. Real Americans open their own eyes.
Ramon F Herrera
<FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
> "RamonF Herrera" <r...@conexus.net> wrote in alt.politics.bush:
If you go and ask the Vatican, they will tell you that it is not OK to
kill people. They will also tell you that you can reach heaven even if
you are not Catholic. The protestant church will tell you the same.
The Jewish religion will tell you the same. The Buddhist religion will
tell you the same. Any religion will tell you the same. I am talking
about organization, you are talking about individual cases.
The only religion which is officially intolerant of others (meaning:
"you are going to fry in hell if don't join mine") is the Muslin
religion.
-Ramon
mg
. . .
-> They hate us because they feel
-> Israel doesn't have a right to exist.
They hate us because we are not an honest broker in the Isreali-
Palestinian conflict.
This entire issue of our problems with Muslims was studied a couple of
years ago by a panel of experts, but the Rightards managed to bury the
report. Here's a copy of an old post:
In September 2004, a Defense department task force did a study that
included an analysis of Muslim attitudes towards the U.S. It's
entitled, "Report of the Defense Science Board Task Force on
Strategic
Communication" and it can be found at:
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2004-09-Strategic_Communication.pdf
Here are some of the report's conclusions:
*U.S. policies on Isreali-Palestinian issues and Iraq in 2003-2004
have damaged America's credibility and power to persuade. What was a
marginal terrorist network has now been expanded to a broad movement
of fighting groups which have been elevated to a point where they have
broad public support among the entire Muslim community.
*Muslims believe we are self-serving hypocrites. They believe we have
ulterior motives that serve American interests at the expense of truly
Muslim self-determination.
*There is widespread animosity toward the United States and its
policies. The war has increased mistruct of America in Europe,
weakened support for the war on terrorism, and undermined U.S.
credibility worldwide. The negative opinion of the U.S., in Arab
countries has not yet bottomed out but is in fact continuing to move
dynamically.
*The U.S. Government does not understand the problem. The problem
isn't one of disseminating information or crafting the right message.
It's a problem of credibility and we don't have any.
*There is no yearning among Muslim "masses" to be liberated by the US.
Their desire is to be liberated from what they see as the tyrannies
that the U.S. promotes and defends.
*Muslims don't hate our freedom. They hate our policies. Policies
matter. Mistakes dismay our friends and provide enemies with
unintentional assistance. Islamists want the overthrow of the
"apostate" regimes of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Jordan, and the
Gulf States. Islamists see the U.S. as a longstanding prop and
alliance partner of these authoritarian regimes.
In short what could very well happen is that countries like France,
Germany, China and Iran could wind up as the beneficiaries of regime
change while we wind up with nothing but a lot dead bodies and an
empty treasury.
As for the attitude of Democrats, we support the troops, but believe
the war is totally insane and we believe Bush deliberately mislead the
public to get us into it. Our attitude towards Iraq is bad but even so
it's probably better than the attitude the Republicans had towards the
war in Kosovo. Here's some Republican quotes regarding that war:
Senator Richard Lugar (R-IN): "This is President Clinton's war, and
when he falls flat on his face, that's his problem." [New York Times,
5/4/99]
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the president to
explain to us what the exit strategy is.
--George Bush [Houston Chronicle, 4/9/99]
"The President should also lay out a timetable for how long American
troops will be involved and when they will be removed."
-- George Bush, 2000 Campaign, June 4, 1999
Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): "America needs to quickly
change directions and leave behind this chilling comedy of errors that
has defined our foreign policy." [Copley News Service, 3/22/99]
Senator James Inhofe (R-OK): "(P)resident [Clinton] has decimated our
ability to defend ourselves." [USA Today, 4/5/99]
Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham (R-CA): "This is the most inept
foreign policy in the history of the United States." [Washington
Times, 4/29/99]
Then-GOP Presidential candidate Dan Quayle: "What has happened is we
have taken a political crisis and a humanitarian crisis and escalated
it into a full military crisis. The handling of the situation in the
Balkans reflects the inattention of the Clinton Administration to
foreign policy. . You have the same situation [as Vietnam]. Ambiguity,
no stated, clear cut mission and then you are going to have to be
there quite some time." [Omaha World Herald, 3/28/99]
Then-GOP Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan: "And what are we doing
bombing and attacking this tiny country that has never attacked the
United States to rip away from them a province that does not belong to
us? I believe it is an unjust war. I think we have failed in our
strategic objectives, and it is now becoming basically no longer a war
for Kosovo but a war to save NATO's credibility and NATO's face. And
that does not justify sending in an army of 100,000 American ground
troops into the Balkans." [NBC, "Meet the Press," 4/25/99]
Then-GOP Presidential candidate Gary Bauer: "The President has not
demonstrated he's got a way to solve a crisis or conflict that
literally has been raging since 1350. . They treated each other with
an incredible amount of inhumanity. That's a terrible thing. It
offends our conscience. But how in the world are American boys flying
over Kosovo dropping bombs going to somehow stop something that's been
going on for 600 years?" [Des Moines Register, 4/17/99]
GOP House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL): "Many may question the path
that has taken us to this point. I have my own questions about the
long term strategy of this campaign." [Dallas Morning News,3/25/99]
Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): "Mr. Speaker, this is a
very difficult speech for me to give, because I normally, and I still
do, support our military and the fine work that they are doing. But I
cannot support a failed foreign policy. . But before we get deeper
embroiled into this Balkan quagmire, I think that an assessment has to
be made of the Kosovo policy so far. President Clinton has never
explained to the American people why he was involving the U.S.
military in a civil war in a sovereign nation, other than to say it is
for humanitarian reasons, a new military/foreign policy precedent. .
Was it worth it to stay in Vietnam to save face? What good has been
accomplished so far? Absolutely nothing." [Congressional Record,
"Removal of United States Armed Forces from the Federal Republic of
Yugoslavia," 4/28/99]
Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): The deployment of U.S.
military forces in Kosovo is "just another bad idea in a foreign
policy without a focus." [Editorial, Saint Paul Pioneer Press
(Minnesota), 3/17/99]
Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): "First of all, it's using
NATO for the first time to attack a sovereign nation. . Its also one
more adventure in a whole line of adventures of failed foreign
policy."
["Fox News Sunday," 3/14/99]
Then-House Majority Whip Tom Delay (R-TX): "I had the utmost
confidence in President Bush. He had laid the groundwork, and our
national interest in the Middle East was clear. In the gulf we had a
country that was invaded [Kuwait], and an oil interest to defend. .
[In the Balkans] we have a president I don't trust, who has proven my
reason for not trusting him: had no plan. We have a civil war that was
falsely described as a huge humanitarian problem, when in comparison
to other places, it was nothing." [Washington Post, 5/4/99]
Then-Senate Assistant Majority Leader Don Nickles (R-OK): "I think
he's [Clinton] gotten us into a mess. I don't think you can bomb a
country into signing a peace agreement." [Washington Post, 4/13/99]
Then-Senate Assistant Majority Leader Don Nickles (R-OK): "The
Administration, and NATO as a whole, greatly miscalculated the
response Slobodan Milosevic would have to a bombing campaign. As I
predicted, the Administration has escalated what was guerilla warfare
into a much more serious conflict. The bombings have unleashed an evil
reign and resulted in a humanitarian disaster." [Senator Don Nickles,
Press Release, 4/21/99]
Then-Senate Assistant Majority Leader Don Nickles (R-OK): "I want NATO
to be credible, but for crying out loud, when you are so arrogant to
say here is our wisdom, here is this accord, we determined this is in
your best interest and you must sign it or else we are going to bomb
you-I stated in my speech on the bombing resolution that I don't think
you can bomb a country into submission or into signing an agreement."
[Congressional Record, Senator Don Nickles, 5/3/99
Senator Judd Gregg (R-NH): "I don't believe that a ground war in
Kosovo using American troops is going to be very successful." [NBC,
"Meet the
Press," 4/18/99]
mg
This entire issue of our problems with Muslims was studied a couple of
C J Nelson
> behind the curtain. Real Americans open their own eyes.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I am sure that leadership under some benovance of your chosing would
be oh so much better.
I have a 10 dollar bill that says any kind of government you would
support would mean re-education camps at the very least, and secret
police.
BROTHER!!
Winston Smith, American Patriot
And I suppose they tell you that you will see heaven this very second as a
heretic and/or blasphemer just before the Grand Inquisitor burns you at
the stake.
> The protestant church will tell you the same.
I guess the Crusades----you know, the adventure to remove the "infidel"
Saracen (a/k/a Muslim) from the holy lands by disemboweling him----did
pre-date Martin Luther's self-flagellation.
> The Jewish religion will tell you the same.
Wow! A religion that "officially" says that if you are not Jewish---a
condition that you cannot convert to, by the way, but must be born to----
you are destined for some place less than heaven...which must be hell.
> The Buddhist religion will
> tell you the same.
And the Buddhists may be pretty much the only ones who practice what they
preach.
> Any religion will tell you the same. I am talking
> about organization, you are talking about individual cases.
The only religion truly having a centralized "organization" would be the
Roman Catholics.
> The only religion which is officially intolerant of others (meaning:
> "you are going to fry in hell if don't join mine") is the Muslin
> religion.
And who, pray tell, speaks "officially" for the Muslims?
Every Muslim I talk to here---individually, and think they speak for the
whole...you know, the "organization"----says that anyone who believes
Islam "officially" is about killing the infidel is full of shit. They
appear to have no idea whatsoever that some "official" Muslim
"organization"----of which there is none, in fact----has issued some
official rule or edict to kill the infidel.
> -Ramon
Docky Wocky
Talk apparently has no lasting effect on moslem diplomates, especially the
ones from the ayatollah's Iranian Califate.
Interestingly, they seem intent on offering themselves up as the test of
whether an entire culture can be wiped-out by determined nuclear bombsters
who they have succeeded in pissing-off.
Actually, when has talk, of any kind, ever had any effect on folks who are
best described in a single word, i.e., black-hearted, furry-faced,
closed-minded, funny-hatted, blockheads?
Maybe some of the other high-fallutin diplomatic types could take some of
the lower-level moslems aside and inform them that in spite of their wishes
to keep their culture firmly rooted in their holy Stone Age, and because
they behave like over-chauvanistic troglodytes, and since they no longer
inhabit isolated medieval-age countries where troglodytic displays of tribal
hate, name-calling, and non-stop rioting can go on to their heart's content,
and because nobody in the civilized world actually gives a hoot, that there
are folks with big, bad, bombs out here in the real world that would make a
complete mockery of their best bluster and threats in a blink of Mohammed's
eye.
What do you think their answer would be?
wby...@ireland.com
Of course the roots of hatred extend well before Islam but your cite
works both ways. If you're going to cite Alexander and Persia then you
must also realize that the Greek-Persian hatred extended back to both
Darius and Xerxes seeking to conquer the West. But most of the
conflict arose after the rise of Islam - crusades, etc; and after WWI
when the entire Mideast and the remnants of the Ottoman Empire were
carved up by Western powers.
WB Yeats
CYBERHINWA
A muslim whose ancestors was terrorised and slaughtered then
they were ultimately forced to become Muslim has written a
book were he critically analyses the terror handbook "QURAN".
No other religion can match the ferocity and the violence which
is advocated in this book , Violence against Jews , Christians
and any other religions is explained in detailed . It is a
monstorous
creation of a perverted mind .
Major parts are mentioned for all those to see and understand the
facade behind the religion of peace [ uuugggggghh] .I have digitised
the book and i have uploaded to the link wherein you can download
if you are not afraid being called a MURTAD [ apostate] .
http://rapidshare.com/files/16716007/The_Islamic_Jehad.pdf.html
I particularly recommend the reading of verses to verses explanation
which no muslim will deny it is not written . If you like it tell
your
friends
about it and email it to as many people as possible.
Comments and responses awaited at cyberhi...@gmail.com ,
CYBERHINWA
Question for all Muslims : If PISSLAM is about peace why do Muslims
justify to other religions that PISSLAM is religion of peace
instead of telling their own Muslims and stop KILLING
innocents ????????
WAIT THE DAY IS NOT FAR WHEN MECCA AND MEDINA SHALL GO UP IN THE
MUSHROOM CLOUD ..................
Baldin Lee Pramer
> A muslim whose ancestors was terrorised and slaughtered then
> they were ultimately forced to become Muslim has written a
> book were he critically analyses the terror handbook "QURAN".
> No other religion can match the ferocity and the violence which
> is advocated in this book , Violence against Jews , Christians
> and any other religions is explained in detailed . It is a
> monstorous
> creation of a perverted mind .
>
> Major parts are mentioned for all those to see and understand the
> facade behind the religion of peace [ uuugggggghh] .I have digitised
> the book and i have uploaded to the link wherein you can download
> if you are not afraid being called a MURTAD [ apostate] .
>
> http://rapidshare.com/files/16716007/The_Islamic_Jehad.pdf.html
>
> I particularly recommend the reading of verses to verses explanation
> which no muslim will deny it is not written . If you like it tell
> your
> friends
> about it and email it to as many people as possible.
The Bible has as many exhortations to slaughter innocent people and
commit grotesque acts. You have read it, haven't you?
Baldin Lee Pramer
Coffee in Madrid
Indeed.
And don't forget the British and US gang-rape of the meddle-east scince
the 1850's. About the same time when the coal plants spewed CO2 and
global temperatures were first being measured.
Coffee in The Groin Zone
Harold Burton
"Baldin Lee Pramer" <Baldin...@msn.com> wrote:
Irrelevant. We outgrew that about 350 years ago, after the Thirty years
war. Problem is the towelheads haven't outgrown the koran. They're
retards, they're development is at least 400 years behind ours.