Trump Candidate Crushed In NY Special Election

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| Dems flip seat as Suozzi wins crucial special congressional
| election in New York
|
| Democrats flip a GOP held House seat in a special
| congressional election in a key suburban district where
| immigration, crime, abortion key issues
| ...
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dems-flip-seat-as-suozzi-wins-cruical-special-congressional-election-in-new-york>

And a victory in PA House special election for the blue team.
Jim Prokopiak's win holds the one-seat majority.

--bks

[Governor Swill]

This election illustrates why Republicans do NOT want to resolve the border problem. They
got Roe overturned and now they've lost enough women voters that it's gotten tough for
them to keep incumbents in office, let alone flip a seat.

If the border gets resolved, they'll lose enough of those single issue voters to deprive
them of even more votes.

I ask again, why didn't Trump build the wall he promised?

Why didn't he stop the flow?

Swill
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[da pickle]

On 2/16/2024 4:07 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On 14 Feb 2024 03:52:20 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

>> And a victory in PA House special election for the blue team.
>> Jim Prokopiak's win holds the one-seat majority.
>>
>> --bks
>
> This election illustrates why Republicans do NOT want to resolve the border problem. They
> got Roe overturned and now they've lost enough women voters that it's gotten tough for
> them to keep incumbents in office, let alone flip a seat.

Republicans cannot resolve the border problem. The president can
resolve the border problem.

> If the border gets resolved, they'll lose enough of those single issue voters to deprive
> them of even more votes.

If the president resolved the border issue, he would get those single
issue voters.

> I ask again, why didn't Trump build the wall he promised?

You do not know? He built as much as he was allowed to build.

> Why didn't he stop the flow?
>
> Swill

The "orgasm" just started a few months ago. That is the only "problem"
that needs IMMEDIATE attention.

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:49:35 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/16/2024 4:07 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On 14 Feb 2024 03:52:20 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>>> And a victory in PA House special election for the blue team.
>>> Jim Prokopiak's win holds the one-seat majority.
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> This election illustrates why Republicans do NOT want to resolve the border problem. They
>> got Roe overturned and now they've lost enough women voters that it's gotten tough for
>> them to keep incumbents in office, let alone flip a seat.
>
>Republicans cannot resolve the border problem. The president can
>resolve the border problem.

That isn't true. The border problem is due to a seriously outdated and inadequate
immigration system. Fixing that takes an act of Congress. Such actions as the President
CAN take require money and THAT takes an act of Congress.

Biden has asked for money for admin and courts to speed up deportations and asylum
hearings.
Senate Republicans turned him down because he didn't ask for border security money.
Biden's next request was for border security money but Senate Republicans turned him down
because he didn't request more enforcement money!

Now a Republican has presented a bi partisan bill for debate and the House Republicans
won't even discuss it because candidate Trump told them not to because he needs to run on
the issue. He can't win without some major wedge issue that appeals to the right.

This mess is as much if not more the fault of Trump and GOP leadership as it is Biden's.

>> If the border gets resolved, they'll lose enough of those single issue voters to deprive
>> them of even more votes.
>
>If the president resolved the border issue, he would get those single
>issue voters.

Except he can't do it alone. At the very least he needs money to implement any such plans
and the Republicans won't give it to him.

>> I ask again, why didn't Trump build the wall he promised?
>
>You do not know? He built as much as he was allowed to build.

He wasn't "allowed" to build any. His own party denied his request for wall funding so he
ended up doing an end run and raiding the Pentagon budget for funds. What he built was so
shoddy Biden had to repair it despite his promise to stop the wall. In addition to
repairing Trump's broken wall, Biden has reinforced other sections *and* built new wall
all of which drew heat from his left.

>The "orgasm" just started a few months ago. That is the only "problem"
>that needs IMMEDIATE attention.

There are plenty issues that need immediate attention. Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine need
defense aid. Finalized appropriations bills need to be passed instead of kicking the can
down the road. The border problem is severe and can only be addressed by Congress either
in the form of major immigration legislation or loosening the purse strings so Biden can
work to get it under control. He's actually had to send down the military to help CBP
because they're overwhelmed.

Swill
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"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

[pothead]

On 2024-02-17, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:49:35 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2/16/2024 4:07 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On 14 Feb 2024 03:52:20 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>
>>>> And a victory in PA House special election for the blue team.
>>>> Jim Prokopiak's win holds the one-seat majority.
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> This election illustrates why Republicans do NOT want to resolve the border problem. They
>>> got Roe overturned and now they've lost enough women voters that it's gotten tough for
>>> them to keep incumbents in office, let alone flip a seat.
>>
>>Republicans cannot resolve the border problem. The president can
>>resolve the border problem.
>
> That isn't true. The border problem is due to a seriously outdated and inadequate
> immigration system. Fixing that takes an act of Congress. Such actions as the President
> CAN take require money and THAT takes an act of Congress.

The system has been screwed up for 50 years yet we have never witnessed the number of illegal
migrants that we have under Joe Biden.

> Biden has asked for money for admin and courts to speed up deportations and asylum
> hearings.
> Senate Republicans turned him down because he didn't ask for border security money.
> Biden's next request was for border security money but Senate Republicans turned him down
> because he didn't request more enforcement money!

So Biden rescinded the Trump policies, literally on day one of his presidency and now he wants
funds to make processing more efficient?
That will just allow even more illegal migrants into the country.
Come on man.

> Now a Republican has presented a bi partisan bill for debate and the House Republicans
> won't even discuss it because candidate Trump told them not to because he needs to run on
> the issue. He can't win without some major wedge issue that appeals to the right.

We wouldn't have this mess if Joe Biden has just left things alone.
But he didn't and now he owns it and he can cry all he wants about the big bad republicans not
approving his bill but the people know who caused this mess and it'a Joe Biden.

> This mess is as much if not more the fault of Trump and GOP leadership as it is Biden's.

Nope.
Not even close.
Biden's campaign in part was a "come one come all and the USA will accept you" and they did.
Trump had nothing to do with it.

>>> If the border gets resolved, they'll lose enough of those single issue voters to deprive
>>> them of even more votes.
>>
>>If the president resolved the border issue, he would get those single
>>issue voters.
>
> Except he can't do it alone. At the very least he needs money to implement any such plans
> and the Republicans won't give it to him.

He can reinstate the Trump policies. And if Biden is so pro border security why is he trying
everything to stop Texas from enforcing their border?
But he will never do that.

>>> I ask again, why didn't Trump build the wall he promised?
>>
>>You do not know? He built as much as he was allowed to build.
>
> He wasn't "allowed" to build any. His own party denied his request for wall funding so he
> ended up doing an end run and raiding the Pentagon budget for funds. What he built was so
> shoddy Biden had to repair it despite his promise to stop the wall. In addition to
> repairing Trump's broken wall, Biden has reinforced other sections *and* built new wall
> all of which drew heat from his left.

Biden sold what was already purchased to finish construction of the wall for pennies on the dollar.
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-quietly-auctions-trump-border-wall-parts-stunt-republican-
effort-restart-construction-report>

>>The "orgasm" just started a few months ago. That is the only "problem"
>>that needs IMMEDIATE attention.
>
> There are plenty issues that need immediate attention. Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine need
> defense aid. Finalized appropriations bills need to be passed instead of kicking the can
> down the road. The border problem is severe and can only be addressed by Congress either
> in the form of major immigration legislation or loosening the purse strings so Biden can
> work to get it under control. He's actually had to send down the military to help CBP
> because they're overwhelmed.

With Joe Biden at the helm you can be assured that things will turn to shit real fast.
And they are already.
Have we hit 10 million illegal migrants under Biden's watch yet?

Ask the progressives in so called sanctuary cities what they think about Biden's border policy
compared to Trump's.

> Swill


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Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[da pickle]

I usually understand what Swill is saying and sometimes he has
interesting views on current situations, but on the border issues, he is
off his game completely. The current mess is a complete disaster and he
could have prevented it and he could close the border completely to
anyone without proper admission papers.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 20:47:50 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-17, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:49:35 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/16/2024 4:07 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On 14 Feb 2024 03:52:20 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>>> And a victory in PA House special election for the blue team.
>>>>> Jim Prokopiak's win holds the one-seat majority.
>>>>>
>>>>> --bks
>>>>
>>>> This election illustrates why Republicans do NOT want to resolve the border problem. They
>>>> got Roe overturned and now they've lost enough women voters that it's gotten tough for
>>>> them to keep incumbents in office, let alone flip a seat.
>>>
>>>Republicans cannot resolve the border problem. The president can
>>>resolve the border problem.
>>
>> That isn't true. The border problem is due to a seriously outdated and inadequate
>> immigration system. Fixing that takes an act of Congress. Such actions as the President
>> CAN take require money and THAT takes an act of Congress.
>
>The system has been screwed up for 50 years yet we have never witnessed the number of illegal
>migrants that we have under Joe Biden.

Doesn't make it his fault. Unemployment is now 3.4%. It hasn't been that low since 1968.

Record numbers of migrants are coming because there are record numbers of jobs to fill.
Start putting employers in jail for hiring illegals and they'll not only stop coming,
they'll leave in droves.

>> Biden has asked for money for admin and courts to speed up deportations and asylum
>> hearings.
>> Senate Republicans turned him down because he didn't ask for border security money.
>> Biden's next request was for border security money but Senate Republicans turned him down
>> because he didn't request more enforcement money!
>
>So Biden rescinded the Trump policies, literally on day one of his presidency and now he wants
>funds to make processing more efficient?
>That will just allow even more illegal migrants into the country.
>Come on man.

ICE has announced they may have to release tens of thousands of detainees because of a
$700M budget shortfall. If they don't have the money to do what little they're already
doing, how do you expect them to do more?

How are you going to deport illegals if you don't give them due process? That takes
money. It also takes money to secure the border and build fence. Congress controls the
purse strings. If they won't cough up funding, Biden can't do anything.

>> Now a Republican has presented a bi partisan bill for debate and the House Republicans
>> won't even discuss it because candidate Trump told them not to because he needs to run on
>> the issue. He can't win without some major wedge issue that appeals to the right.
>
>We wouldn't have this mess if Joe Biden has just left things alone.

That's not true. Trump's policies weren't working as well as you think. Covid and Covid
shutdown job loss is what was keeping them home. Please tell me you're smart enough to
see the truth in that. Again, border flow greatly slowed not because Trump signed some
decree for them to stay home, but because there weren't any jobs here.

Stop the hiring. Put a few employers in jail for breaking the law for hiring illegals.
The jobs will dry up and so will the border flow.

>But he didn't and now he owns it and he can cry all he wants about the big bad republicans not
>approving his bill but the people know who caused this mess and it'a Joe Biden.

No, it's NOT. Why do you insist on blaming the "king" for everything you don't like? You
won't give him credit for the economy but you'll blame him for the border. This is called
hypocrisy. It is partisan driven. Stop claiming you're not partisan. Clearly you are.

>> This mess is as much if not more the fault of Trump and GOP leadership as it is Biden's.
>
>Nope.

Yep.

>Not even close.

It's right on target.

>Biden's campaign in part was a "come one come all and the USA will accept you" and they did.
>Trump had nothing to do with it.

He had nothing to do with the slow border flow in 2020 either.

>>>> If the border gets resolved, they'll lose enough of those single issue voters to deprive
>>>> them of even more votes.
>>>
>>>If the president resolved the border issue, he would get those single
>>>issue voters.

If BIDEN resolves it, HE will get those votes. WHOEVER resolves it will get the votes.
That's why Trump doesn't want the House to discuss the bill.

Trump would be perfectly happy giving Europe to Putin. That's why he's told the House to
hold up Ukraine funding. He opposes aid to Israel and Taiwan because Biden wants it. Iow,
Trump is opposing popular policies just to be opposing them. If Trump were President, the
House would already have passed funding for Israel.

Trump is also in China's pocket. This has been proved here over and over again with
multiple international references of Trump working FOR China. This means he would
continue to oppose Taiwan defense aid. The Republicans would claim they can't aid Taiwan
because it's a deficit buster and then proceed to pass a budget that vastly increases the
deficit.

2016 - $585B Obama (who inherited a deficit of $1500B)
2017 - $665B Trump
2018 - $779B Trump
2019 - $984M Trump
Covid is an outlier so I don't hold that against him but for the record it was $3,132B and
2021 was $2,775B.

Next time Republicans start lying to you about their dedication to balanced budgets and
deficit reduction, like they did last winter as an excuse to hold up appropriations, refer
to this info sourced from:
<https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit>

>> Except he can't do it alone. At the very least he needs money to implement any such plans
>> and the Republicans won't give it to him.
>
>He can reinstate the Trump policies.

What good would that do? Trump policies only worked because Covid shut everything down.

>And if Biden is so pro border security why is he trying
>everything to stop Texas from enforcing their border?

Because it's not state responsibility. It's an infringement on Federal power and you know
full well Texas will never follow due process.

>But he will never do that.

And he shouldn't. What he should do is start jailing employers who hire undocumented
workers.

>>>> I ask again, why didn't Trump build the wall he promised?
>>>
>>>You do not know? He built as much as he was allowed to build.
>>
>> He wasn't "allowed" to build any. His own party denied his request for wall funding so he
>> ended up doing an end run and raiding the Pentagon budget for funds. What he built was so
>> shoddy Biden had to repair it despite his promise to stop the wall. In addition to
>> repairing Trump's broken wall, Biden has reinforced other sections *and* built new wall
>> all of which drew heat from his left.
>
>Biden sold what was already purchased to finish construction of the wall for pennies on the dollar.
><https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-quietly-auctions-trump-border-wall-parts-stunt-republican-effort-restart-construction-report>

You think Fox is going to be honest about it? They've been certified as deliberate liars.

"Biden’s go-ahead for added border wall draws criticism from Democrats in Congress"
<https://missouriindependent.com/2023/10/16/bidens-go-ahead-for-added-border-wall-draws-criticism-from-democrats-in-congress/>

"News Wrap: Biden administration clears way for new border wall construction in Texas"
<https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/news-wrap-biden-administration-clears-way-for-new-border-wall-construction-in-texas>

"Biden admin approves $950 million in contracts for border wall repair, upgrades"
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-approves-950-million-contracts-border-wall-repair-upgrades>

"Biden admin to spend $950M on border wall repairs, upgrades after campaign promise to not
build ‘another foot’ "
<https://nypost.com/2023/11/03/news/biden-admin-to-spend-950m-on-border-wall-repairs-upgrades-after-campaign-promise-to-not-build-another-foot/>

>>>The "orgasm" just started a few months ago. That is the only "problem"
>>>that needs IMMEDIATE attention.
>>
>> There are plenty issues that need immediate attention. Taiwan, Israel and Ukraine need
>> defense aid. Finalized appropriations bills need to be passed instead of kicking the can
>> down the road. The border problem is severe and can only be addressed by Congress either
>> in the form of major immigration legislation or loosening the purse strings so Biden can
>> work to get it under control. He's actually had to send down the military to help CBP
>> because they're overwhelmed.
>
>
>With Joe Biden at the helm you can be assured that things will turn to shit real fast.
>And they are already.

Unemployment has dropped *again*
"News: Unemployment is at its Lowest Level in 54 years"
<https://www.commerce.gov/news/blog/2023/02/news-unemployment-its-lowest-level-54-years>

Cry, baby. Cry that the Democrats are actually managing the economy better than
Republicans. That shouldn't be a surprise. The GOP presided over three of the four worst
economic downturns in the history of the Republic - 2008-09, 1929-32, 1907. Andrew
Jackson and the Dems brought us the crash of 1837. The Democrats have presided over the
biggest growth periods since the Gilded Age.

>Have we hit 10 million illegal migrants under Biden's watch yet?

Where is Trump's wall? Why didn't Republicans authorize it when they had control of both
Houses? Why have they turned down all of Biden's requests for border funding and even
their own bill?

>Ask the progressives in so called sanctuary cities what they think about Biden's border policy
>compared to Trump's.

The problem isn't policy, it's funding the policy.

[da pickle]

You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW

[pothead]

<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/20/biden-immigration-reform-trump-executive-order>

<https://nypost.com/2021/02/02/biden-signs-3-executive-orders-reversing-trump-on-immigration/>

....and dozens more like the above.

Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.

[da pickle]

Correct

[Bradley K. Sherman]

da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2/18/2024 10:53 AM, pothead wrote:

> ...

>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>
>Correct

Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong:
|
| Cruz, Cornyn help sink border bill Republicans had long
| demanded
| ...
| But the politics around the issue began to shift in recent
| weeks as former President Donald Trump mounted a pressure
| campaign against the negotiations, arguing they could
| deliver President Joe Biden a victory months before the
| presidential election when the two are likely to face each
| other.
| ...
<https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/cruz-cornyn-border-bill-18653781.php>

--bks

[Ubiquitous]

What does this actually say that Biden reversed?

On Wednesday at the White House, Biden used executive actions to roll back
Trump’s attempt to exclude undocumented people from the census, end his
travel ban, roll back his policy that eliminated deportation priorities and
ended an emergency declaration the former president used to divert funds to
the wall on the US-Mexico border.

* Trump’s attempt to exclude undocumented people from the census

That attempt was *unconstitutional*, and it was proper to reverse it.

* travel ban

Racist bullshit that had zero impact on illegal entry.

* eliminated deportation priorities

*Of course* there should be priorities for determining whom to deport first.

* diverting funds in order to build wall

Illegal and unconstitutional.


So everything Biden did on "day one" to reverse Trump's policies was proper and
the right thing to do.

[da pickle]

Repeating the same bad example is not fixing anything.

Biden caused (and can un-cause) the current onslaught.

[Ubiquitous]

That's a lie.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

>> | Cruz, Cornyn help sink border bill Republicans had long
>> | demanded
>> | ...
>> | But the politics around the issue began to shift in recent
>> | weeks as former President Donald Trump mounted a pressure
>> | campaign against the negotiations, arguing they could
>> | deliver President Joe Biden a victory months before the
>> | presidential election when the two are likely to face each
>> | other.

On the floor of the Senate, James Lankford (R-OK):
|
| I had a popular commentator that told me flat out, if you
| try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during
| this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy
| you. Because I do not want you to solve this during the
| presidential election.
|
| [58-second C-SPAN video at URL]
|
<https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1755297920847429720>

--bks

[da pickle]

Biden does not need a "bill" to close the border.

[Ubiquitous]

The quotation marks are wrong, and are indicative of your pretentious, pompous
assholery. Stop using them.

Biden does need new legislation. The resource needed to close the border are not
there.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it
> and he could close the border completely to anyone without proper
> admission papers.

How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you
catch everyone without more money for a larger Border Guard.

Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out
Border Guard to surrender to them and request asylum. However the
ones not seeking asylum do their best to remain invisible until
they reach civilisation and hide amongst us. How can you
completely close the border to these?

The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited
deportation if they are caught within a hundred miles.

Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an
asylum hearing. The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's
refusal to amend the laws and pay for more judges.

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[Bradley K. Sherman]

>>>> | Cruz, Cornyn help sink border bill Republicans had long
>>>> | demanded

>> On the floor of the Senate, James Lankford (R-OK):
>> |
>> | I had a popular commentator that told me flat out, if you
>> | try to move a bill that solves the border crisis during
>> | this presidential year, I will do whatever I can to destroy
>> | you. Because I do not want you to solve this during the
>> | presidential election.

|

| Republicans in Congress who have spent months demanding
| that any aid to Ukraine be paired with a crackdown against
| migration into the United States got what they asked for
| when a bipartisan group of senators released a $118.3
| billion agreement that would provide both.
|
| On Monday, many of them rejected it anyway.
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/05/us/politics/republicans-border-deal.html>

--bks

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 07:49:00 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>I usually understand what Swill is saying and sometimes he has
>interesting views on current situations, but on the border issues, he is
>off his game completely. The current mess is a complete disaster and he
>could have prevented it and he could close the border completely to
>anyone without proper admission papers.

Bullshit.

Tell me how Biden is supposed to seal two thousand miles of border with no money. Run up
and down the Rio Grande with a megaphone yelling, "Don't you dare!"?

ICE has announced that due to a budget shortfall of $700m they may be forced to release
thousands of detainees.

The Republicans are blocking any border solution by blocking appropriations for border
management.

He's already done as much as he could do with the appropriations he's gotten and taken
heat from Democrats for even doing that.

"Biden admin to spend $950M on border wall repairs, upgrades after campaign promise to not
build ‘another foot’ "
<https://nypost.com/2023/11/03/news/biden-admin-to-spend-950m-on-border-wall-repairs-upgrades-after-campaign-promise-to-not-build-another-foot/>

"Biden admin approves $950 million in contracts for border wall repair, upgrades"
<https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-approves-950-million-contracts-border-wall-repair-upgrades>

"News Wrap: Biden administration clears way for new border wall construction in Texas"
<https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/news-wrap-biden-administration-clears-way-for-new-border-wall-construction-in-texas>

"Biden’s go-ahead for added border wall draws criticism from Democrats in Congress"
<https://missouriindependent.com/2023/10/16/bidens-go-ahead-for-added-border-wall-draws-criticism-from-democrats-in-congress/>

He's repaired wall, upgraded wall, built new wall and even sent in the military to help
CBP.

Twice.

September 21, 2023
"Biden administration sending 800 new troops to border amid migrant crisis "
<https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4215822-biden-administration-sending-800-new-troops-to-southern-border/>

May 2, 2023:
"The Biden administration will deploy 1,500 additional military personnel to augment
security at the southern border, U.S. officials said Tuesday, as the looming end of
pandemic-era immigration policies has officials bracing for a surge in illegal crossings."
<https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/02/border-troops-biden-title-42/>

"Hundreds of active-duty U.S. troops are descending on the Mexican border this week, but
they’re not authorized to make arrests, use their weapons or do much more than
administrative work.

"That’s making the military deployment — timed for the end of pandemic-era immigration
restrictions — a classic no-win political situation for the Biden administration, which is
getting hit from at least one prominent Democrat for perpetuating Trump-era militarization
of the border, and from Republicans who say the mission will be utterly ineffectual."
<https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/12/biden-trump-troops-us-mexico-border-00096439>

Got that? "No-win political situation"

Democrats say he's doing too much, Republicans that he's not doing enough. Biden himself
wants to do more but the money has run out. Or have you guys forgotten the House is only
passing *temporary* spending bills? When is the next shutdown due? Oh, yeah, first week
of March.

"1/19/24 Update: President Joe Biden signed into law a short-term funding extension on
Friday, the White House announced, averting a partial government shutdown. The short-term
funding extension sets up two new funding deadlines on March 1 and March 8."
<https://research.arizona.edu/administration/2023-federal-government-shutdown>

Without money, the President can do nothing.

If Republicans actually want the border mess fixed, they're going to have to cough up the
cash.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:33:52 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW

The border is already closed to anybody without papers - at its entry points. But what
about the other two thousand miles?

They climb the wall.
They tunnel under it.
They cross the desert on wildlife migration trails.

HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE ENTIRE BORDER?

[da pickle]

Biden is "letting them in" at all locations. He can stop "letting them
in" ... just stop.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:20 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:15 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> da pickle wrote:
>> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it and
>> he could close the border completely to anyone without proper
>> admission papers.
>
> How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you catch
> everyone without more money for a larger Border Guard.
>
> Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out Border
> Guard to surrender to them and request asylum. However the ones not
> seeking asylum do their best to remain invisible until they reach
> civilisation and hide amongst us. How can you completely close the
> border to these?
>
> The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited deportation if
> they are caught within a hundred miles.
>
> Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an asylum
> hearing. The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's refusal to amend
> the laws and pay for more judges.

You have not seen the videos of the border? They are waling in the main
gates and they are being "helped" through the barbed wire! Just stop
the ones that you are allowing in by the thousands. Yes, some other
will get in but hundreds not thousands. And the long lines will STOP.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:23 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:33:52 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>> but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>> not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW
>
> The border is already closed to anybody without papers - at its entry points. But what
> about the other two thousand miles?
>
> They climb the wall.
> They tunnel under it.
> They cross the desert on wildlife migration trails.
>
> HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE ENTIRE BORDER?
>
> Swill

They walk though into the arms of the border patrol ... do you not see
them all sitting quieting in long lines????????

Those you describe are not in the thousands a day. They are the few and
far between. You are smarter than that.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>

You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.

Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.

None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
Mexico is to be completely sealed.

So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
have to be released.

There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
Congress won't give it to him.

You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
political football to win elections.

[Governor Swill]

He's repaired wall, he's upgraded wall, he's built new wall, he's asked Congress for money
twice, he's sent the military down there then sent more military.

And all Congressional Republicans can do is pass temporary spending bills. Next shutdown?
First week of March.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:44 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:03:53 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 10:53 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-18, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/18/2024 9:28 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>
>>>>> The problem isn't policy, it's funding the policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>>>> but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>>>> not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW
>>>>
>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/20/biden-immigration-reform-trump-executive-order>
>>>
>>> <https://nypost.com/2021/02/02/biden-signs-3-executive-orders-reversing-trump-on-immigration/>
>>>
>>> ....and dozens more like the above.
>>>
>>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>
>> Correct
>>
>
> He's repaired wall, he's upgraded wall, he's built new wall, he's asked Congress for money
> twice, he's sent the military down there then sent more military.
>
> And all Congressional Republicans can do is pass temporary spending bills. Next shutdown?
> First week of March.
>
> Swill

All those border patrol agents and all the military are NOT stopping
anyone from entering the USA. They are letting them come in and giving
them a piece of paper and letting them go.

You have seen the masses. Even NY has had enough. We are talking about
millions of people ... not some folks swimming the river.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:42 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>
>
> You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
> Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.
>
> Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
> wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.
>
> None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
> Mexico is to be completely sealed.
>
> So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
> in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
> and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
> have to be released.
>
> There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
> install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
> Congress won't give it to him.
>
> You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
> political football to win elections.
>
> Swill

You said "They already know they can't come in but that doesn't stop them."

But they CAN COME IT ... no one is "stopping" them from coming in.

Close the border to those streaming in. I should not be saying this
because if Biden actually closed the border it might be the very thing
that gets him elected.

Spending MORE money is often everyone's solution to any problem. We are
running out of money.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 2:23 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:33:52 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>> but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>> not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW
>
> The border is already closed to anybody without papers - at its entry points. But what
> about the other two thousand miles?
>
> They climb the wall.
> They tunnel under it.
> They cross the desert on wildlife migration trails.
>
> HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE ENTIRE BORDER?
>
> Swill

You are incorrect about the need to close the "other" two thousand
miles. There is only capture and release going on ... with a piece of
paper of course.

You know this.

[Ubiquitous]

That's a lie.

But there aren't enough of them.

> You have seen the masses.  Even NY has had enough.  We are talking about
> millions of people

That's another lie.

[Ubiquitous]

On 2/18/2024 12:28 PM, da pickle wrote:
> On 2/18/2024 2:15 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>> da pickle wrote:
>>> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it and he
>>> could close the border completely to anyone without proper admission papers.
>>
>> How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you catch everyone
>> without more money for a larger Border Guard.
>>
>> Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out Border Guard to
>> surrender to them and request asylum. However the ones not seeking asylum do
>> their best to remain invisible until they reach civilisation and hide amongst
>> us. How can you completely close the border to these?
>>
>> The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited deportation if they
>> are caught within a hundred miles.
>>
>> Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an asylum hearing.
>> The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's refusal to amend the laws and
>> pay for more judges.
>
> You have not seen the videos of the border?  They are waling in the main gates

> and they are being "helped" [sic]

The quotation marks are stupid and wrong. Stop using them in that manner.

> through the barbed wire!

Bullshit. You have not seen that.

[Ubiquitous]

The quotation marks are stupid and are indicative of you pomposity and
pretentiousness. Stop using them in that manner.

Biden is not letting them in at all.

[Siri Cruise]

Under current law if they request asylum, they remain until
granted or denied. You want us to violate our own law.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> Biden is "letting them in" at all locations.  He can stop "letting
> them in" ... just stop.

How dare a president faithfully execute the laws and not use his
superman powers to fly along the border and capture all the
neer-do-wells.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced
> response, but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone
> right now if they do not have proper papers.  The illegal flow
> will stop. NOW
>

And you're stuck on demanding we violate our laws.

The Senate compromise did have a nasty provision that the border
could be temporarily closed after 5000 contacts in one day. But
House Magoos refused to vote on it, so there is no legal way to
close the border.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.

We don't want presidents that faithfully execute the law.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
>>
>> Wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong:
>>   |
>>   | Cruz, Cornyn help sink border bill Republicans had long
>>   | demanded
>>   | ...
>>   | But the politics around the issue began to shift in recent
>>   | weeks as former President Donald Trump mounted a pressure
>>   | campaign against the negotiations, arguing they could
>>   | deliver President Joe Biden a victory months before the
>>   | presidential election when the two are likely to face each
>>   | other.
>>   | ...
>> <https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/cruz-cornyn-border-bill-18653781.php>
>>
>>
>>      --bks
>
> Repeating the same bad example is not fixing anything.
>

The bill House Magoos rejected on Don Fatso's edict amended the
law to give a president the power to temporarily close the border.
Unless you want another plague, we have no law.

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> Close the border to those streaming in.  I should not be saying
> this because if Biden actually closed the border it might be the
> very thing that gets him elected.

How? You got over a thousand miles of the most desolate land on
the planet. So tell us how. Stop stinking up the place with your
farting.

<https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_immigration_summer-turns-deadly-us-bound-migrants-braving-scorching-desert-heat/6208914.html>

<https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/new-mexico-southern-border/>

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> They walk though into the arms of the border patrol ... do you not
> see them all sitting quieting in long lines????????

Are you congentially mal-brained?

[da pickle]

Tun on your television and watch it live.

[da pickle]

Not all are asylum seekers ... those few that are will have to wait.

[Governor Swill]

And inflation will prevail as farmers and other employers drastically increase wages in
their attempts to attract workers.

The fact is, we need, and have always needed, an unskilled low wage class of workers. It
was the slaves, then it was the vast immigrants pouring in from Europe. Now it's the
waves of immigrants pouring in from our own hemisphere.

We need more migrants, not less.

[Governor Swill]

How will they live? Should we issue them work visas? Green cards? Or should we just put
them on income support?

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:25:47 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Biden is "letting them in" at all locations. He can stop "letting them
>in" ... just stop.

How?

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:33:44 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Biden caused (and can un-cause) the current onslaught.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:00:09 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Biden does not need a "bill" to close the border.

Yes, he does.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:20:59 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>All those border patrol agents and all the military are NOT stopping
>anyone from entering the USA.

Not enough of them to do the job.

>They are letting them come in and giving
>them a piece of paper and letting them go.

That's the law. If you don't like it, repeal the 14th amendment.

>You have seen the masses. Even NY has had enough. We are talking about
>millions of people ... not some folks swimming the river.

Exaggerated numbers. That said, we need millions to do the work we don't want to do.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:25:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/18/2024 2:42 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>>
>>
>> You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
>> Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.
>>
>> Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
>> wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.
>>
>> None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
>> Mexico is to be completely sealed.
>>
>> So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
>> in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
>> and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
>> have to be released.
>>
>> There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
>> install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
>> Congress won't give it to him.
>>
>> You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
>> political football to win elections.
>>
>> Swill
>You said "They already know they can't come in but that doesn't stop them."
>
>But they CAN COME IT ... no one is "stopping" them from coming in.
>
>Close the border to those streaming in.

Again, how?

>I should not be saying this
>because if Biden actually closed the border it might be the very thing
>that gets him elected.

Again, HOW

>Spending MORE money is often everyone's solution to any problem. We are
>running out of money.

No we're not.

You still haven't explained how Biden is supposed to seal a thousand mile border tomorrow.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:30:49 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>They walk though into the arms of the border patrol ... do you not see
>them all sitting quieting in long lines????????

Those are the ones we catch, mostly because they're looking for asylum or have realized
the desert is going to kill them. They also know they're going to get a court date if
they're not sent back immediately.

What about the ones who *don't* look for border guards to surrender?

>Those you describe are not in the thousands a day. They are the few and
>far between. You are smarter than that.

I think it is you who is not smart.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:30:12 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/18/2024 2:23 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:33:52 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>>> but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>>> not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW
>>
>> The border is already closed to anybody without papers - at its entry points. But what
>> about the other two thousand miles?
>>
>> They climb the wall.
>> They tunnel under it.
>> They cross the desert on wildlife migration trails.
>>
>> HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE ENTIRE BORDER?
>>
>> Swill
>
>You are incorrect about the need to close the "other" two thousand
>miles.

But that's where the illegals are crossing.

>There is only capture and release going on ... with a piece of
>paper of course.

Due process. We are a nation of laws. If you don't like them, write your Congress
critters and ask them to repeal the fifth, sixth and fourteenth amendments.

>You know this.

"We must close the border."

"It isn't possible to close the border."

[da pickle]

Temporarily, they will wait in Mexico.

[da pickle]

An interesting theory ... any support for the millions that have come in
lately? Are they all happily employed somewhere? Where? You
information, please.

[Siri Cruise]

I don't trust the media. All lies and jest.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>
>
> You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
> Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.
>
> Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
> wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.
>
> None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
> Mexico is to be completely sealed.
>
> So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
> in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
> and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
> have to be released.
>
> There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
> install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
> Congress won't give it to him.
>
> You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
> political football to win elections.
>
> Swill

<https://www.cornyn.senate.gov/biden-border-crisis/>

<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/migrant-encounters-at-the-us-mexico-border-hit-a
-record-high-at-the-end-of-2023/>


"Since President Biden took office, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) has logged more than
5.4 million illegal border crossings, plus at least 1.5 million “gotaways” – that is, border
crossers who were detected by CBP technology, but who were never apprehended."

Political football?

You mean like Joe Biden finally visiting East Palestine OH?

--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Ubiquitous]

Many of them are, and by law, they get to wait *here*. Why do you want us to
violate the law?

[Ubiquitous]

It's your job to support your claim. You can't.

You have not seen anyone being "helped" [sic] through the barbed wire. Stop lying.

[Siri Cruise]

I see. So moving someone from the USA to another country like
Mexico is not a true deportation but a fake true deportation that
doesn't require any overdue process since there won't be any
library fines.

[Governor Swill]

So we pick up an illegal in Colorado. Under what pretext do we send a Venezuelan illegal
to Mexico and why should they accept them?

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:01:42 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>da pickle wrote:
>> On 2/19/2024 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>>> How will they live?  Should we issue them work visas?  Green
>>> cards?  Or should we just put
>>> them on income support?

>> Temporarily, they will wait in Mexico.

>I see. So moving someone from the USA to another country like
>Mexico is not a true deportation but a fake true deportation that
>doesn't require any overdue process since there won't be any
>library fines.

:)

[Governor Swill]

I don't watch television. I don't even own a televisi . . . oh, wait, there's an old one
in storage in the basement. Will it work without cable?

[Governor Swill]

I'm retired.

The millions already here are working. Most of them are using fake SS numbers and thus
paying SS, Medicare and income tax withholding.

USDA states about 41% of farm workers are undocumented illegals.
<https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/>

Florida alone has some 300,000.
"Florida’s New Anti-Immigration Law Spells Bad News for Agriculture"
<https://ambrook.com/research/labor/desantis-immigration-H-2A-farmworkers-florida>

Illegals work for low wages in unskilled positions in construction, landscaping,
restaurants, hotels, in just about any industry that needs cheap unskilled laborers.

Even where they aren't paying taxes, they are still supporting businesses and keeping
inflationary pressures at bay.

When the last major immigration bill was being negotiated in Washington, the Democrats
wanted to include employer penalties for illegally hiring. Their view was that if they
couldn't work, they wouldn't come here. But the US chamber of commerce and other business
groups pressured the GOP who killed the measure.

To this day Republicans are more terrified of going to jail for hiring illegals than they
are of letting illegals into the country.

I have no problem with somebody who wants to pick my lettuce or empty bedpans for minimum
wage or less if that's what they're willing to do. I have no problem importing laborers
to do jobs American citizens refuse to do.

A few years ago when Georgia passed an anti immigrant law the migrants left and the
farmers couldn't find anybody to do the work. Many of them offered double what they'd
been paying illegals and *still* couldn't get help. It cost the state millions in farm
revenue as perfectly good food rotted in the fields.

Let them in. ID them, fingerprints, DNA swabs, photo ID cards, then let them work the
shit jobs we don't want.

[Governor Swill]

Yes actually, although the border is a far more important issue.

[Ubiquitous]

Nope.

[pothead]

That's being done already.
At least in NYC.
Free housing.
Free refillable cash cards.
Free medical.
Free cell phone.
Free food.
Etc.

And what do our homeless veterans or citizens get?
SQUAT.

[pothead]

Restore the Trump policies one of which is remain in Mexico or their home country.
Submit proper paperwork and wait till it is approved or denied.
Trump actually had the Mexican military patrolling their side of the border. So while Mexico didn't
technically pay for the wall, they did contribute.

Under Biden?

All gone and Mexico is laughing at Joe Biden.

Make the message clear, that if you enter the US illegally and get caught you are being sent back
to your native country.
Put enough of them on planes and word will quickly spread.
Send the message that the days of Biden's come one come all are over.

Then, spend the money to revamp the arcahic immigration system as well as more high tech security
devices for the border.

Joe Biden will never do this.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:25:47 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Biden is "letting them in" at all locations. He can stop "letting them
>>in" ... just stop.
>
> How?
>
> Swill

Restore the Trump policies and let it be known that you will be sent back if you get caught.
Texas increased enforcement and border crossing numbers have tanked as they move the operation to
other places like AZ.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:33:44 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Biden caused (and can un-cause) the current onslaught.
>
> How?
>
> Swill

Restore the Trump policies.
Actually secure the border like Texas is doing.
It works.
And if Biden is so concerned about border security why is he fighting Texas with every tool he has?

<https://www.newsweek.com/texas-sees-huge-drop-border-crossings-greg-abbotts-fight-heats-1869904>

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:00:09 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Biden does not need a "bill" to close the border.
>
> Yes, he does.
>
> Swill

Actually he can but it's a legal quagmire.

<https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-immigration-executive-action-at-the-southern-
mexico-border/65-ec5306ee-b786-438e-9509-ddb485d815a7>

[pothead]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:20:59 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>All those border patrol agents and all the military are NOT stopping
>>anyone from entering the USA.
>
> Not enough of them to do the job.

Hmm.
There were enough under Trump and they weren't on TV nightly complaining about not having enough
people.

Why is that?

>>They are letting them come in and giving
>>them a piece of paper and letting them go.
>
> That's the law. If you don't like it, repeal the 14th amendment.

They shouldn't be in the country in the first place.
Apply for asylum, get fully vetted and if you qualify you are in.
If you are BS'ing like most are doing today via websites that actually instruct them how to fake
your way into the country, you don't gain entry.

>>You have seen the masses. Even NY has had enough. We are talking about
>>millions of people ... not some folks swimming the river.
>
> Exaggerated numbers. That said, we need millions to do the work we don't want to do.
>
> Swill

It's not exaggerated numbers.
That's just an excuse.

[Mike Colangelo]

No. Asylum seekers have a legal right in U.S. law to enter the U.S., present
their request for asylum here, and then wait until it is adjudicated. The law
says they wait *here*.

Obey the law.

[pothead]

The accusation was political football.
So anyway, how many times has Biden been to the border?
Answer = once.
And BTW he visited a relatively calm section of the border vs something like the epicenter of
illegal immigration like Eagle Pass.

Oh, and the place was all cleaned up before he arrived.

<https://nypost.com/2023/01/07/el-paso-cleans-up-migrant-camps-before-joe-biden-border-visit/>

Same for the 'border czar' Kamala Harris.
She visited an airplane hanger or similar for like an hour before running away.
At least AOC visited the actual epicenter although her fake tears and lack of information regarding
kids in cages tanked that visit.

Meanwhile republicans have been there many times right in the thick of the action.

[Lou Bricano]

On 2/19/2024 6:35 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:25:47 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Biden is "letting them in" at all locations. He can stop "letting them
>>> in" ... just stop.
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Swill
>
> Restore the Trump policies and

Fuck off with that. If you can't say what those policies are, *in their
entirety*, and also show precisely how they reduced unlawful entry, then fuck
off with it.

This is the key feature of "pothole"/"Sakran": he always bullshits in vague
generalities.

"Biden is a disaster."
"How so?"
<crickets>

"Biden is trying to destroy America."
"How so?"
<crickets>

"The Biden crime family..."
"What crimes? What evidence?"
<crickets>

"Restore the Trump policies..."
"What policies? How did they reduce unlawful entry?"
<crickets>

Nothing but vague generalities — in other words, empty bullshit.

[Lou Bricano]

On 2/19/2024 6:45 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:20:59 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All those border patrol agents and all the military are NOT stopping
>>> anyone from entering the USA.
>>
>> Not enough of them to do the job.
>
>
> Hmm.
> There were enough under Trump and

No, there weren't.

>
>>> They are letting them come in and giving
>>> them a piece of paper and letting them go.
>>
>> That's the law. If you don't like it, repeal the 14th amendment.
>
> They shouldn't be in the country in the first place.
> Apply for asylum, get fully vetted and if you qualify you are in.

By law, they have the right to enter the U.S. to apply for asylum and to remain
here while their application is being considered.

Why do right-wingnuts not believe in following the law?

[Lou Bricano]

On 2/19/2024 6:40 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:33:44 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Biden caused (and can un-cause) the current onslaught.
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Swill
>
> Restore the Trump policies.

[Governor Swill]

There's a ten year wait. We need workers NOW.

>Trump actually had the Mexican military patrolling their side of the border.

They still are. They just had a shootout on the border with some cartel members.
<https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/least-dozen-dead-northern-mexico-shootout-near-texas-border-2024-02-19/>

>So while Mexico didn't
>technically pay for the wall, they did contribute.
>
>Under Biden?
>
>All gone and Mexico is laughing at Joe Biden.

Mexico laughed at Trump for claiming he was going to make them pay for the wall and they
didn't did they?

>Make the message clear, that if you enter the US illegally and get caught you are being sent back
>to your native country.

Deporting illegals to Mexico is only deportation if they were Mexican.

>Put enough of them on planes and word will quickly spread.

"The walk up was shit but the plane ride back was nice."

>Send the message that the days of Biden's come one come all are over.

Finally someone with an intelligent idea!
<https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/denver-migrant-work-visa-clinics/>

>Then, spend the money to revamp the arcahic immigration system as well as more high tech security
>devices for the border.

How about we start that now instead of we deport *FIVE MILLION PEOPLE*?

>Joe Biden will never do this.

Neither will the Republicans. Biden called their bluff and they blinked.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:22:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>> How will they live? Should we issue them work visas? Green cards? Or should we just put
>> them on income support?
>>
>> Swill
>
>That's being done already.
>At least in NYC.
>Free housing.
>Free refillable cash cards.
>Free medical.
>Free cell phone.
>Free food.
>Etc.
>
>And what do our homeless veterans or citizens get?
>SQUAT.

Then how about we put the illegals to work and paying taxes like they're doing in Denver?

<https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/denver-migrant-work-visa-clinics/>

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:35:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:25:47 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Biden is "letting them in" at all locations. He can stop "letting them
>>>in" ... just stop.
>>
>> How?

>Restore the Trump policies and let it be known that you will be sent back if you get caught.

We're already telling them they can't come in but they're coming anyway.

So, I ask again, HOW are you going to seal the entire border?

>Texas increased enforcement and border crossing numbers have tanked as they move the operation to
>other places like AZ.

It isn't because of Abbot.

"Overall, arrests by U.S. Border Patrol dropped in January by 50% from 249,735 in
December, the highest monthly tally on record.

"Tucson, Arizona, was again the busiest sector for illegal crossings with 50,565 arrests,
down 37% from December, "

Not in Texas.

"followed by San Diego."

Not in Texas either.

"Arrests in the Border Patrol’s Del Rio sector plummeted 76% from December to 16,712, the
lowest since December 2021. Arrests in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley, dropped 60% to 7,340, the
lowest since July 2020."

Abbot is working Eagle Pass, not the Rio Grande valley or the rest of the Del Rio sector.

"A significant decrease was noted among Venezuelans whose arrests dropped by 91% to 4,422
from 46,920. But those numbers could change soon. Panama reported that 36,001 migrants
traversed the dangerous Darien Gap in January, up 46% from December. The vast majority who
cross the Panamanian jungle are Venezuelans headed to the United States, with considerable
numbers from Haiti, China, Ecuador and Colombia."

Wow! Abbot can control who's crossing into Panama!

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:42:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:00:09 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>>>Biden does not need a "bill" to close the border.
>>
>> Yes, he does.

>Actually he can but it's a legal quagmire.
>
><https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-immigration-executive-action-at-the-southern-mexico-border/65-ec5306ee-b786-438e-9509-ddb485d815a7>

It's a legal quagmire because the Republicans don't want the problem resolved.

In any case, no words coming out of Washington are going to keep Venezuelans from fording
the river overnight.

"You guys can't come in here!"

"Oh. Ok. We'll just walk back to Venezuela!"

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:40:13 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:33:44 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Biden caused (and can un-cause) the current onslaught.
>>
>> How?
>>
>> Swill
>
>Restore the Trump policies.
>Actually secure the border like Texas is doing.
>It works.
>And if Biden is so concerned about border security why is he fighting Texas with every tool he has?
>
><https://www.newsweek.com/texas-sees-huge-drop-border-crossings-greg-abbotts-fight-heats-1869904>

Because it's an infringement on Federal authority.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:45:54 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:20:59 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>All those border patrol agents and all the military are NOT stopping
>>>anyone from entering the USA.
>>
>> Not enough of them to do the job.
>
>
>Hmm.
>There were enough under Trump and they weren't on TV nightly complaining about not having enough
>people.
>
>Why is that?

Your premise is incorrect. What slowed them down under Trump was Covid.

>>>They are letting them come in and giving
>>>them a piece of paper and letting them go.
>>
>> That's the law. If you don't like it, repeal the 14th amendment.
>
>They shouldn't be in the country in the first place.

By law they can enter the country and request Asylum.

>Apply for asylum, get fully vetted and if you qualify you are in.

Yeah, that's gonna work for people in dictatorships. One trip to the US consulate to
submit your application and you're marked for death.

>If you are BS'ing like most are doing today via websites that actually instruct them how to fake
>your way into the country, you don't gain entry.

Unless you sneak across the border.

>>>You have seen the masses. Even NY has had enough.

Only because they're not as smart as Denver.
<https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/denver-migrant-work-visa-clinics/>

Put them to work. Get them off the public dole.

>>>We are talking about millions of people ...

. . . who aren't crossing at checkpoints.

>>>not some folks swimming the river.

Where are the millions coming from if not swimming the river and climbing fence?

>> Exaggerated numbers. That said, we need millions to do the work we don't want to do.

>It's not exaggerated numbers. That's just an excuse.

Call it what you want. I say, put them to work.

[Governor Swill]

>>>5.4 million illegal border crossings, plus at least 1.5 million ?gotaways? ? that is, border

>>>crossers who were detected by CBP technology, but who were never apprehended."
>>>
>>>Political football?
>>>
>>>You mean like Joe Biden finally visiting East Palestine OH?
>>
>> Yes actually, although the border is a far more important issue.
>>
>> Swill
>
>The accusation was political football.

Which is what the border is for Republicans. If they REALLY wanted to fix it, they would
take advantage of the current situation to leverage the White House to sign a bill they
like. But they won't because they need the political football to get votes in November.

>So anyway, how many times has Biden been to the border?
>Answer = once.
>And BTW he visited a relatively calm section of the border vs something like the epicenter of
>illegal immigration like Eagle Pass.

Why does he even need to go? He knows what's going on but the Republicans have now
rebuffed his efforts to fix it for a third time.

>Oh, and the place was all cleaned up before he arrived.
>
><https://nypost.com/2023/01/07/el-paso-cleans-up-migrant-camps-before-joe-biden-border-visit/>
>
>Same for the 'border czar' Kamala Harris.
>She visited an airplane hanger or similar for like an hour before running away.
>At least AOC visited the actual epicenter although her fake tears and lack of information regarding
>kids in cages tanked that visit.
>
>Meanwhile republicans have been there many times right in the thick of the action.

And done exactly squat about it.

[Alan Bond]

Other than play political football...

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:22:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>> How will they live? Should we issue them work visas? Green cards? Or should we just put
>>> them on income support?
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>>That's being done already.
>>At least in NYC.
>>Free housing.
>>Free refillable cash cards.
>>Free medical.
>>Free cell phone.
>>Free food.
>>Etc.
>>
>>And what do our homeless veterans or citizens get?
>>SQUAT.
>
> Then how about we put the illegals to work and paying taxes like they're doing in Denver?
>
><https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/immigration/denver-migrant-work-visa-clinics/>
>
> Swill

Denver has the right idea.....Kick them out of the shelters.
As soon as word spreads throughout the migrant community Denver will not be the place to go to.
I suspect they well head to NYC instead.

<https://denverite.com/2024/01/17/denver-to-resume-kicking-migrant-families-out-of-city-shelters-as-
it-faces-financial-crunch-for-support-services/>

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 12:33 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

> On 2/19/2024 5:39 AM, da pickle wrote:
>> On 2/18/2024 8:17 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

>>> On 2/18/2024 12:28 PM, da pickle wrote:
>>>> On 2/18/2024 2:15 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>> da pickle wrote:
>>>>>> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it
>>>>>> and he could close the border completely to anyone without proper
>>>>>> admission papers.
>>>>>
>>>>> How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you catch
>>>>> everyone without more money for a larger Border Guard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out Border
>>>>> Guard to surrender to them and request asylum. However the ones not
>>>>> seeking asylum do their best to remain invisible until they reach
>>>>> civilisation and hide amongst us. How can you completely close the
>>>>> border to these?
>>>>>
>>>>> The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited
>>>>> deportation if they are caught within a hundred miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an asylum
>>>>> hearing. The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's refusal to
>>>>> amend the laws and pay for more judges.
>>>>
>>>> You have not seen the videos of the border?  They are waling in the

>>>> main gates and they are being "helped" [sic]
>>>
>>> The quotation marks are stupid and wrong. Stop using them in that
>>> manner.
>>>
>>>> through the barbed wire!
>>>
>>> Bullshit. You have not seen that.
>>
>> Tun on your television and watch it live.
>

> It's your job to support your claim. You can't.
>
> You have not seen anyone being "helped" [sic] through the barbed wire.
> Stop lying.

Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire" and you get
almost a million hits.

This is the first one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfeeTFP3qco

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 4:04 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 11:01:42 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> da pickle wrote:

>>> On 2/19/2024 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>
>>>> How will they live?  Should we issue them work visas?  Green
>>>> cards?  Or should we just put
>>>> them on income support?
>

>>> Temporarily, they will wait in Mexico.
>

>> I see. So moving someone from the USA to another country like
>> Mexico is not a true deportation but a fake true deportation that
>> doesn't require any overdue process since there won't be any
>> library fines.
>
> :)
>
> Swill

They never leave Mexico. They are not deported, they never get in.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 4:03 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 09:23:23 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2024 8:39 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>>> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:41:00 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>

>>>> On 2/18/2024 11:07 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>> da pickle wrote:

>>>>>> On 2/18/2024 2:15 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>>>> da pickle wrote:
>>>>>>>> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it
>>>>>>>> and he could close the border completely to anyone without proper
>>>>>>>> admission papers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you catch
>>>>>>> everyone without more money for a larger Border Guard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out Border
>>>>>>> Guard to surrender to them and request asylum. However the ones not
>>>>>>> seeking asylum do their best to remain invisible until they reach
>>>>>>> civilisation and hide amongst us. How can you completely close the
>>>>>>> border to these?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited deportation
>>>>>>> if they are caught within a hundred miles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an asylum
>>>>>>> hearing. The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's refusal to
>>>>>>> amend the laws and pay for more judges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have not seen the videos of the border?  They are waling in the

>>>>>> main gates and they are being "helped" through the barbed wire!  Just
>>>>>> stop the ones that you are allowing in by the thousands.  Yes, some
>>>>>> other will get in but hundreds not thousands.  And the long lines will
>>>>>> STOP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Under current law if they request asylum, they remain until granted or
>>>>> denied. You want us to violate our own law.
>>>>
>>>> Not all are asylum seekers ... those few that are will have to wait.
>>>>
>>>

>>> How will they live? Should we issue them work visas? Green cards? Or should we just put
>>> them on income support?
>>>

>>> Swill

>>
>> Temporarily, they will wait in Mexico.
>

> So we pick up an illegal in Colorado. Under what pretext do we send a Venezuelan illegal
> to Mexico and why should they accept them?
>
> Swill

Those millions already in get whatever they are supposed to get when
Biden let them in. What do they do now with those folks?

If we close the border, they are in the same position that they are in
now. The thousands that would come in like they are coming in now will
NOT COME IN. Temporary close of the border. Many will still sneak in
but it will not be tens of thousands.

[da pickle]

Yep

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 4:21 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 09:24:58 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/19/2024 8:31 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:28:47 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/18/2024 2:15 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>>>> da pickle wrote:
>>>>>> current mess is a complete disaster and he could have prevented it and
>>>>>> he could close the border completely to anyone without proper
>>>>>> admission papers.
>>>>>
>>>>> How? A thousand miles of desolate, empty terrain. How did you catch
>>>>> everyone without more money for a larger Border Guard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of them are easy to see and count because they seek out Border
>>>>> Guard to surrender to them and request asylum. However the ones not
>>>>> seeking asylum do their best to remain invisible until they reach
>>>>> civilisation and hide amongst us. How can you completely close the
>>>>> border to these?
>>>>>
>>>>> The second kind can be quickly returned with an expedited deportation if
>>>>> they are caught within a hundred miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under current law the first kind get to remain here until an asylum
>>>>> hearing. The elapsed time is dominated by Republicans's refusal to amend
>>>>> the laws and pay for more judges.
>>>>
>>>> You have not seen the videos of the border? They are waling in the main
>>>> gates and they are being "helped" through the barbed wire! Just stop
>>>> the ones that you are allowing in by the thousands. Yes, some other
>>>> will get in but hundreds not thousands. And the long lines will STOP.
>>>>
>>>

>>> And inflation will prevail as farmers and other employers drastically increase wages in
>>> their attempts to attract workers.
>>>
>>> The fact is, we need, and have always needed, an unskilled low wage class of workers. It
>>> was the slaves, then it was the vast immigrants pouring in from Europe. Now it's the
>>> waves of immigrants pouring in from our own hemisphere.
>>>
>>> We need more migrants, not less.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> An interesting theory ... any support for the millions that have come in
>> lately? Are they all happily employed somewhere? Where? You
>> information, please.
>>
>
> I'm retired.
>
> The millions already here are working. Most of them are using fake SS numbers and thus
> paying SS, Medicare and income tax withholding.
>
> USDA states about 41% of farm workers are undocumented illegals.
> <https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor/>
>
> Florida alone has some 300,000.
> "Florida’s New Anti-Immigration Law Spells Bad News for Agriculture"
> <https://ambrook.com/research/labor/desantis-immigration-H-2A-farmworkers-florida>
>
> Illegals work for low wages in unskilled positions in construction, landscaping,
> restaurants, hotels, in just about any industry that needs cheap unskilled laborers.
>
> Even where they aren't paying taxes, they are still supporting businesses and keeping
> inflationary pressures at bay.
>
> When the last major immigration bill was being negotiated in Washington, the Democrats
> wanted to include employer penalties for illegally hiring. Their view was that if they
> couldn't work, they wouldn't come here. But the US chamber of commerce and other business
> groups pressured the GOP who killed the measure.
>
> To this day Republicans are more terrified of going to jail for hiring illegals than they
> are of letting illegals into the country.
>
> I have no problem with somebody who wants to pick my lettuce or empty bedpans for minimum
> wage or less if that's what they're willing to do. I have no problem importing laborers
> to do jobs American citizens refuse to do.
>
> A few years ago when Georgia passed an anti immigrant law the migrants left and the
> farmers couldn't find anybody to do the work. Many of them offered double what they'd
> been paying illegals and *still* couldn't get help. It cost the state millions in farm
> revenue as perfectly good food rotted in the fields.
>
> Let them in. ID them, fingerprints, DNA swabs, photo ID cards, then let them work the
> shit jobs we don't want.
>
> Swill

Tell that to NYC.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 8:56 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:25:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>> On 2/18/2024 2:42 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
>>> Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.
>>>
>>> Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
>>> wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.
>>>
>>> None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
>>> Mexico is to be completely sealed.
>>>
>>> So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
>>> in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
>>> and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
>>> have to be released.
>>>
>>> There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
>>> install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
>>> Congress won't give it to him.
>>>
>>> You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
>>> political football to win elections.
>>>
>>> Swill

>> You said "They already know they can't come in but that doesn't stop them."
>>
>> But they CAN COME IT ... no one is "stopping" them from coming in.
>>
>> Close the border to those streaming in.
>
> Again, how?
>
>> I should not be saying this
>> because if Biden actually closed the border it might be the very thing
>> that gets him elected.
>
> Again, HOW
>
>> Spending MORE money is often everyone's solution to any problem. We are
>> running out of money.
>
> No we're not.
>
> You still haven't explained how Biden is supposed to seal a thousand mile border tomorrow.
>
> Swill

Just stop helping them in ... just STOP IT.

Google "video of migrants being helped through barbed wire"

The first hit of the over 700,000 is just fine.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 9:07 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:30:12 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 2:23 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 09:33:52 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are off on this subject ... you usually have a balanced response,
>>>> but this is nonsense. Close the border for everyone right now if they do
>>>> not have proper papers. The illegal flow will stop. NOW
>>>
>>> The border is already closed to anybody without papers - at its entry points. But what
>>> about the other two thousand miles?
>>>
>>> They climb the wall.
>>> They tunnel under it.
>>> They cross the desert on wildlife migration trails.
>>>
>>> HOW DO YOU CLOSE THE ENTIRE BORDER?
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> You are incorrect about the need to close the "other" two thousand
>> miles.
>
> But that's where the illegals are crossing.
>
>> There is only capture and release going on ... with a piece of
>> paper of course.
>
> Due process. We are a nation of laws. If you don't like them, write your Congress
> critters and ask them to repeal the fifth, sixth and fourteenth amendments.
>
>> You know this.
>
> "We must close the border."
>
> "It isn't possible to close the border."
>
> Swill

Not with the current president.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 9:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:30:49 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They walk though into the arms of the border patrol ... do you not see
>> them all sitting quieting in long lines????????
>
> Those are the ones we catch, mostly because they're looking for asylum or have realized
> the desert is going to kill them. They also know they're going to get a court date if
> they're not sent back immediately.
>
> What about the ones who *don't* look for border guards to surrender?
>
>> Those you describe are not in the thousands a day. They are the few and
>> far between. You are smarter than that.
>
> I think it is you who is not smart.
>
> Swill

Do NOT LET ANYONE IN WITHOUT PAPERS ... period ... end of sentence.

Does not solve the problem at all. Put it all at rest.

Now, what are you going to do with the millions to be processed?

I know, you want them to become slaves. We have been there ... done that.

Did not work the last time. This is a real problem ... it is not going
away.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:42:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:00:09 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>Biden does not need a "bill" to close the border.
>>>
>>> Yes, he does.
>
>>Actually he can but it's a legal quagmire.
>>
>><https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-immigration-executive-action-at-the-southern-mexico-border/65-ec5306ee-b786-438e-9509-ddb485d815a7>
>
> It's a legal quagmire because the Republicans don't want the problem resolved.
>
> In any case, no words coming out of Washington are going to keep Venezuelans from fording
> the river overnight.
>
> "You guys can't come in here!"
>
> "Oh. Ok. We'll just walk back to Venezuela!"
>
> Swill

How many incidents of violence involving Venezuelan gangs did you read about under Trump's watch?
Biden owns this mess.
In fact Biden owns a lot of messes.

[pothead]

Same as East Palestine. To show he cares, realizes a problem and commit to fixing it.
Even though it's obvious to all that Biden doesn't give a shit about this country and it's LEGAL
citizens.
It's Biden's "America Last Program".

>>Oh, and the place was all cleaned up before he arrived.
>>
>><https://nypost.com/2023/01/07/el-paso-cleans-up-migrant-camps-before-joe-biden-border-visit/>
>>
>>Same for the 'border czar' Kamala Harris.
>>She visited an airplane hanger or similar for like an hour before running away.
>>At least AOC visited the actual epicenter although her fake tears and lack of information regarding
>>kids in cages tanked that visit.
>>
>>Meanwhile republicans have been there many times right in the thick of the action.
>
> And done exactly squat about it.

They didn't cause the mess.
Biden did and that bill is going to make things worse.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 4:06 PM, Governor Swill wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:39:44 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 8:17 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> On 2/18/2024 12:28 PM, da pickle wrote:
>

>>>> You have not seen the videos of the border?  They are waling in the

>>>> main gates and they are being "helped" [sic]
>>>
>>> The quotation marks are stupid and wrong. Stop using them in that manner.
>>>
>>>> through the barbed wire!
>>>
>>> Bullshit. You have not seen that.
>>
>> Tun on your television and watch it live.
>>
>

> I don't watch television. I don't even own a televisi . . . oh, wait, there's an old one
> in storage in the basement. Will it work without cable?
>
> Swill

Yes, it will. Try Google

[da pickle]

On 2/20/2024 9:44 AM, Governor Swill wrote:

not much

Closing the border does not "deport" anyone.

[da pickle]

You like the migrants ... you think Biden is doing great letting them in
... others disagree and think stopping the onslaught is a good idea.

You think it can go on just like it is ... others think you are
incorrect in your thoughts. We will see.

[da pickle]

We will see how it turns out.

[da pickle]

On 2/19/2024 8:56 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 15:25:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>

>> On 2/18/2024 2:42 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:53:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Biden caused the border crisis and he has no intention of fixing it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You've made too many false assumptions. First one is that Trump's rules stemmed the tide.
>>> Baloney. Covid and 13% unemployment did.
>>>
>>> Next, you seem to think that Biden can stop them from swimming the river, climbing the
>>> wall and tunneling under it by checking papers at the entry points.
>>>
>>> None of you xenophobes, not a single one, can say HOW our two thousand mile border with
>>> Mexico is to be completely sealed.
>>>
>>> So what if he makes a decree that they can't come in. They already know they can't come
>>> in but that doesn't stop them. He can't detain them in prison. There isn't enough space
>>> and ICE has already said it doesn't have the funds to keep the ones it's got. They'll
>>> have to be released.
>>>
>>> There is nothing Biden can do without money from Congress to build wall, post more guards,
>>> install more technology or process detainees and asylees faster. It all takes money and
>>> Congress won't give it to him.
>>>
>>> You guys aren't serious about border control, you're only serious about using it as a
>>> political football to win elections.
>>>
>>> Swill

>> You said "They already know they can't come in but that doesn't stop them."
>>
>> But they CAN COME IT ... no one is "stopping" them from coming in.
>>
>> Close the border to those streaming in.
>
> Again, how?
>
>> I should not be saying this
>> because if Biden actually closed the border it might be the very thing
>> that gets him elected.
>
> Again, HOW
>
>> Spending MORE money is often everyone's solution to any problem. We are
>> running out of money.
>
> No we're not.
>
> You still haven't explained how Biden is supposed to seal a thousand mile border tomorrow.
>
> Swill

Just stop them and do not let them in. It is not that hard. You seem
to think that "all" of the immigrants are "sneaking in" ... they are
not. They are getting a piece of paper and being released into the USA.

They get to go wherever they want to go ... unfortunately way too many
want to go and do go to NYC ... NYC has had enough.

Even if you do not watch TV ... you should know it is a "problem".

[Ubiquitous]

No, Dummy, *you* Google it and post a link to one of them here. It's not my job
to support your claim.