Screw Kwanzaa...Screw Hanukah...MERRY CHRISTMAS
Siegfriedson
I recently picked up a newspaper and saw George Bush lighting a Jewish
Menorah erected in the White House. I stopped for a moment and said to
myself, "Somethings wrong with this picture. Isn’t this the same White
house forbidden to erect a cross or even the traditional manger scene
at Christmas time?
Perhaps nothing is more indicative of the double-standards that exist
for Jews and Gentiles than to contrast the government and media
treatment of Christmas and Hanukkah. The American Jewish Committee,
the ADL and many other groups have been at the forefront to ban any
mention of Christmas from our public life. No groups have worked
harder to take Christ out of Christmas.
As a result of their litigation and bullying, the Christian part of
Christmas has been stripped away from much of our national life. Not
only are Christmas carols banned from public schools, but now even the
mention of breaks such as the Christmas Holidays is being quietly
phased out in favor of politically correct terms such as "winter
holidays."
Continued:
http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=164
Listen to this broadcast (streaming MP3):
http://www.davidduke.com:8000/content/dd/christmas&hannukkah11-30.pls
Weapons Of Christmas Destruction
Though my wife and I now home school our children, still they attend
public school to participate in band, choir and physical activities.
My son came home the other day and mentioned that a Jewish classmate
objected to the use of the word "Christmas" in signs posted in the
hallways, saying they "offended" her and made her feel "excluded." She
told him that the signs violated the Constitutional mandate that
Church and State be separated.
Today, the Founders' intent has been distorted beyond recognition and
carried to ludicrous extremes:
An Oregon kindergarten child was barred from giving his Christmas card
to fellow students last Christmas merely because it mentioned Jesus
Christ. (Christmas Card with 'Jesus' Banned, WorldNet Daily, 2/10/04.
In Seattle just recently, a King County administrative directive
instructed county employees not to say "Merry Christmas." (Santa is
Appalled, Bill O'Reilly, 12/22/04) It is unclear to me whether that
ban extends to their personal lives and homes.
A New Jersey high school band was precluded from playing Christmas
carols, even instrumentals, at its annual concert this year.
Continued:
http://www.rense.com/general60/weap.htm
Christmas is "Taboo" In America:
EnemyOfTheLeft
have HUGE power. Hence, a @#$!@ Menorah in the White House.
Meanwhile, Kwanzza (sp?) is just a pagan piece of African crap.
tooly
"EnemyOfTheLeft" <rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> They comprise (the Jews) less than 2% of the U.S population but they
> have HUGE power. Hence, a @#$!@ Menorah in the White House.
> Meanwhile, Kwanzza (sp?) is just a pagan piece of African crap.
>
Ha, it's funny that so many would stand up for Christ's symbols when they
present a cultural value upon which we are all raised...but would sell Him
out thrice "before the cock crowed" as an internal grace.
I know...I am torn. I know of Christ's value...and a spirit that would
'welcome' all things, even to 'give' away the 'treasured' silverware of our
home to humble street dwellers. America was once 'our' HOME. And we do
today, in fact, hand over the silverware...and the honor of the house to new
would be propreitors [Asians, Negroes, Hispanics, Indians...you name it
under multiculturism, or code for 'deconstruction of the white euro
world' ].
This is a tough call; and I imagine many will not be up to the measure
[myself surely not]. AS I see it, it was our very 'Christian' foundations
that now give us the magnanimous quality to be so 'welcoming' to the once
third world that is now 'rising' to usurp us. In some way, I wonder if the
Christian virtue is always about 'dying'...succumbing in self sacrifice for
those others who will survive on to remake and make again the world? But
for black men who only hate ME and my ancestors? What sort of Denmark stink
is this anyway?
But this kind of dying when one's entire culture is to vanish, be remade,
changed into some rappo stage show; to go extinct as a kind; wow...now that
IS truly being nailed to the cross. If we were but meaner, grouchier, more
animal and less Christian, we'd have put this all down under the little
neo-gods like Hitler long ago; no questions asked. Instead, we now exist
upon the precipice looking down upon our own long decline in the world
leading ultimately to our demise as a kind. Up is raised the Black man, the
Asian, the Hispanic...down is trodden the once noble white man.
And yet, my ancestors deserved better; for they were men who tried to enoble
themselves under Christian virtue to bring to these shores a system of
governance that was more than worthwhile, but of a higher 'ideal' the world
had not known before. America has become synonymous to the idea of FREEDOM
in the world. Except now, the grand experiment may be threatened by the
onslaught of so many who no longer really share the enobling ideas of our
forefathers, but come here more so to 'strangle' the land for sake of their
own forebears, far different than our own.
I just don't know. To be Christian? Or to be a Patriot ready to fight a
new enemy, now within?
Could the devil, for once in human history, have the moral high ground? Why
would God do this to us? Just hand it over; our women included? I just
don't understand.
A test of FAith no doubt. or of stupidity?
Jude Cooper
"EnemyOfTheLeft" <rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
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> have HUGE power. Hence, a @#$!@ Menorah in the White House.
> Meanwhile, Kwanzza (sp?) is just a pagan piece of African crap.
>
Christmas has pagan origins. Apparently you do no know the history of
Christmas. The 25th of December is not believed to be the correct date for
Christ's birth and that this date is actually the time when pagans
worshipped Saturnalia the sun god. That is the reason why Jehovah Witnesses
do not celebrate Christmas.
The origin of the Christmas tree comes from a pagan Babylonian ritual
practice. The christmas tree ritual is also an ancient Satan custom
associated with the Greek demigod Cronos his Roman counterpart being Saturn.
In Scripture, he's better known under his Babylonian name of Tammuz.
The birth of Tammuz was Dec. 25th and to commemorate his death, the people
would cut down a young evergreen tree and decorate it with bright ornaments
and candles. The star placed at the top of the tree is related to
Ashtaroth - the star goddess mother of Tammuz. The practice goes back at
least 2,500 years before Christ was born. Needless to say, Jesus was not
born in December.
So what elements of Kwanza make think it is a piece crap? I assume you are
not enlightened enough to have attended a Kwanza celebration. Do even know
the tenets of Kwanza are?
Pennsylvania Dutch
> "EnemyOfTheLeft" <rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1103519831.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>They comprise (the Jews) less than 2% of the U.S population but they
>>have HUGE power. Hence, a @#$!@ Menorah in the White House.
>>Meanwhile, Kwanzza (sp?) is just a pagan piece of African crap.
>>
I'm pretty sure if you research it that "Kwanza" was invented by a few
jew college professors as a joke(?) back in the 1960's...
Pennsylvania Dutch
> Christmas and Hanukkah: Double Standards for America
>
> I recently picked up a newspaper and saw George Bush lighting a Jewish
> Menorah erected in the White House. I stopped for a moment and said to
> myself, "Somethings wrong with this picture. Isn’t this the same White
> house forbidden to erect a cross or even the traditional manger scene
> at Christmas time?
>
> Perhaps nothing is more indicative of the double-standards that exist
> for Jews and Gentiles than to contrast the government and media
> treatment of Christmas and Hanukkah. The American Jewish Committee,
> the ADL and many other groups have been at the forefront to ban any
> mention of Christmas from our public life. No groups have worked
> harder to take Christ out of Christmas.
>
> As a result of their litigation and bullying, the Christian part of
> Christmas has been stripped away from much of our national life. Not
> only are Christmas carols banned from public schools, but now even the
> mention of breaks such as the Christmas Holidays is being quietly
> phased out in favor of politically correct terms such as "winter
> holidays."
If you research it, you will find that "Kwanza" was invented by a few
jew college professors back in the 1960's as a joke(?)...this jew joke
has been written on before in academic literature if you research it...
Pennsylvania Dutch
> Christmas and Hanukkah: Double Standards for America
>
> I recently picked up a newspaper and saw George Bush lighting a Jewish
> Menorah erected in the White House. I stopped for a moment and said to
> myself, "Somethings wrong with this picture. Isn’t this the same White
> house forbidden to erect a cross or even the traditional manger scene
> at Christmas time?
>
> Perhaps nothing is more indicative of the double-standards that exist
> for Jews and Gentiles than to contrast the government and media
> treatment of Christmas and Hanukkah. The American Jewish Committee,
> the ADL and many other groups have been at the forefront to ban any
> mention of Christmas from our public life. No groups have worked
> harder to take Christ out of Christmas.
>
> As a result of their litigation and bullying, the Christian part of
> Christmas has been stripped away from much of our national life. Not
> only are Christmas carols banned from public schools, but now even the
> mention of breaks such as the Christmas Holidays is being quietly
> phased out in favor of politically correct terms such as "winter
> holidays."
If you do the research, you will find that "Kwanzaa" was invented by a
few jew college professors back in the 1960's as a joke(?)...this jew
invention of Kwanzaa has been written about in academic
literature...possibly the jews were looking for another way to enrich
their fellow jews who are merchants?
Bert Hyman
news:4tmcs051lhrrudi88...@4ax.com:
> I recently picked up a newspaper and saw George Bush lighting a
> Jewish Menorah erected in the White House. I stopped for a moment
> and said to myself, "Somethings wrong with this picture. Isn't this
> the same White house forbidden to erect a cross or even the
> traditional manger scene at Christmas time?
No.
It's the same White House which has the National Christmas Tree
standing in its front yard.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/12/20041202-18.html
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@visi.com
Tiny
Many people think Kwanza is an ancient African celebration. In reality,
Kwanza was established in the 1966 to provide an opportunity for the African
American community to celebrate their heritage and reinforce positive
community values.
Kwanza is celebrated for 7 days beginning on December 26th and ending on
January 1st. On December 31st a feast is prepared for family and friends
Excerpt from http://www.kidspartyfun.com/pages/themes/kwanza.html
--
Tiny
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NerdRevenge
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>
> "EnemyOfTheLeft" <rande...@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1103519831.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> They comprise (the Jews) less than 2% of the U.S population but they
>> have HUGE power. Hence, a @#$!@ Menorah in the White House.
>> Meanwhile, Kwanzza (sp?) is just a pagan piece of African crap.
>>
> Why are criticizing Kwanza about being pagan when the celebration of
> Christmas has pagan origins. Apparently you do no know the history of
> Christmas. The 25th of December is not believed to be the correct date for
> Christ's birth and that this date is actually the time when pagans
> worshipped Saturnalia the sun god. That is the reason why Jehovah
> Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas.
>
> The origin of the Christmas tree comes from a pagan Babylonian ritual
> practice. The christmas tree ritual is also an ancient Satan custom
> associated with the Greek demigod Cronos his Roman counterpart being
> Saturn. In Scripture, he's better known under his Babylonian name of
> Tammuz.
>
Uhh...Satan is only a part of the Judeo/Christian beliefs.
> The birth of Tammuz was Dec. 25th and to commemorate his death, the people
> would cut down a young evergreen tree and decorate it with bright
> ornaments and candles. The star placed at the top of the tree is related
> to Ashtaroth - the star goddess mother of Tammuz. The practice goes back
> at least 2,500 years before Christ was born. Needless to say, Jesus was
> not born in December.
There are hundreds of stories of how a christmas tree came to being.
>
> So what elements of Kwanza make think it is a piece crap? I assume you
> are not enlightened enough to have attended a Kwanza celebration. Do even
> know the tenets of Kwanza are?
>
"Kwanza" was made up recently (circa 1960s)in the US by a Black man Ph.D.
Something for the black folks to celebrate.
Sir Cumference
> Christmas and Hanukkah: Double Standards for America
>
>>
> As a result of their litigation and bullying, the Christian part of
> Christmas has been stripped away from much of our national life. Not
> only are Christmas carols banned from public schools, but now even the
> mention of breaks such as the Christmas Holidays is being quietly
> phased out in favor of politically correct terms such as "winter
> holidays."
>
> Continued:
>
> http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=164
>
> Listen to this broadcast (streaming MP3):
>
> http://www.davidduke.com:8000/content/dd/christmas&hannukkah11-30.pls
>
>
> Weapons Of Christmas Destruction
>
> Though my wife and I now home school our children, still they attend
> public school to participate in band, choir and physical activities.
> My son came home the other day and mentioned that a Jewish classmate
> objected to the use of the word "Christmas" in signs posted in the
> hallways, saying they "offended" her and made her feel "excluded." She
> told him that the signs violated the Constitutional mandate that
> Church and State be separated.
>
> Today, the Founders' intent has been distorted beyond recognition and
> carried to ludicrous extremes:
It certainly has.
>
> An Oregon kindergarten child was barred from giving his Christmas card
> to fellow students last Christmas merely because it mentioned Jesus
> Christ. (Christmas Card with 'Jesus' Banned, WorldNet Daily, 2/10/04.
>
> In Seattle just recently, a King County administrative directive
> instructed county employees not to say "Merry Christmas." (Santa is
> Appalled, Bill O'Reilly, 12/22/04) It is unclear to me whether that
> ban extends to their personal lives and homes.
>
> A New Jersey high school band was precluded from playing Christmas
> carols, even instrumentals, at its annual concert this year.
Nothing stopped the Air Force Acadamy band from playing Christmas carols
at their CHRISTmas concert. Their attitude was, "to hell with the ACLU".
>
> Continued:
>
> http://www.rense.com/general60/weap.htm
>
>
> Christmas is "Taboo" In America:
I heard that in Plano Texas they won't let the colors red and green be
used for any decorations because that represents Christmas. Idioticy at
it's highests.
My wife asked our first grade granddaughter what they told her about
Thanksgiving in school. She said the teacher told the students that
Thanksgiving was so the Pilgrams could thank the Indians for helping
them throught the winter. Well that is partly true, but it was also to
thank the God they believed in for helping them as well. Wheather you
believe in God or not, or in seperation of church and state or not,
leaving that part out is re-writing history. The Pilgrams DID thank God
and held a feast and invited the Indians as part of that thanksgiving.
When asked what they were doing for Christmas in her first grade class,
our granddaughter said someone had told them about Hanukkah and Kwanza,
but nothing about the christrian christmas. My daughter asked the
teacher why were they telling the children about Hanukkah and Kwanza but
not presenting the christmas story as well. The teacher explaind that no
one had volunteered for the christmas story and being the teacher he
could not do it. So my daughter volunteered.
OrangeSFO
church funds that might have gone to feed, cloth, and buy medicine for
the needy than to buy a full page newspaper ad calling for a boycott of
retailers who wish their customers "Happy Holidays" rather than "Merry
Christmas."
After all...
CHRISTIANITY IN AMERICA IS UNDER ATTACK!!!
Created by the Roman Catholic church in the 4th century, the
celebration of the nativity coincided with pre-Christian feasts,
allowing observant Christians to "then go out the door and participate
in Saturnalia," Restad said. In pre-Colonial days, English authorities
looked on the holiday as a riot of drunkenness and hooliganism.
American Puritans rejected it completely, preferring to get up and go
to work.
Not until the 1820s and '30s, with the holiday "getting rowdier and
rowdier and more destructive," did Americans redefine it as a safe and
private family time, Restad said - the stereotypical old-fashioned
Christmas celebrated in carols and Currier & Ives prints. Karal Ann
Marling, author of "Merry Christmas! Celebrating America's Greatest
Holiday," called complaints about secularization "complete and utter
bunk."
"If you think Christmas meant the baby Jesus in the past, it didn't,"
said Marling, a professor of art history at the University of
Minnesota.
Docky Wocky
"If you think Christmas meant the baby Jesus in the past, it didn't," said
Perfessor Marling.
________________________________
A perfessor.
A perfessor of art history...from the University of Minnesota, you say?
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Sir Cumference" <m...@this.ten> wrote in message
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Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
> Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
> principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
Wrong. The pilgrims were not our founding fathers. Most of our founding
fathers were Deists, not Christians. I know you conservatives desperately
wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
--
Peter: Let's not deny our heritages. You're Jewish, you're good with money.
I'm Irish, I drink and I ban homosexuals from marching in my parade.
--Family Guy, "When You Wish Upon A Weinstein"
Lars Eighner
<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
alt.politics.homosexuality:
> Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
Liar.
> and was founded on Christian
> principles.
The fundamental law of the United States says otherwise.
> The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
The Pilgrims were not the founders of America. There is a lot
of history between Plymouth Rock and Independence Hall.
There were 12 colonies, other than Massachusetts, and even
Massachusetts was no longer Puritan by 1776. Almost all of the
colonies were founded as commercial ventures, and by 1776 the
witch trials and sectarian persecutions had convinced Americans
that a religion was a stupid thing to base a country on.
--
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"Do you have blacks, too?"
--George W. Bush, to Brazilian President Fernando Henrique Cardoso
Mindless Drooling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>
>
>
>>Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
>
>
> Liar.
Asshole. The Pilgrims were Christians.
>>and was founded on Christian
>>principles.
>
>>The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>
>
> The Pilgrims were not the founders of America. There is a lot
> of history between Plymouth Rock and Independence Hall.
There's also a lot of history between Independence Hall and the Vietnam
War, but that doesn't change the fact that the Pilgrims founded this
country.
Mindless Drooling Libruls
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 +0000, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
> news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
>
>>Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>>principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>
>
> Wrong. The pilgrims were not our founding fathers.
Yes they were. In fact, they are the creators of our first founding
document, the Mayflower Compact.
And they clearly founded our country on Christian principles, as their
writings show.
Most of our founding
> fathers were Deists, not Christians.
I assume now you're referring to those who signed the Declaration of
Independence? Even if they had been our founding fathers (that honor
goes to the Pilgrims) the other thing you need to become aware of is
that most of the signers (almost every one, in fact) were Christians,
not "deists".
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
> I know you conservatives desperately
> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
> point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
> mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
The Mayflower Compact
1620
"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the
Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God,
of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant
the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents,
solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant
and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
which we promise all due submission and obedience.
In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape
Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James
of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the
fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."
http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/mayflow.html
That's clear enough - "for the glory of God and the advancement of the
Christian Faith".
So, once again, you're wrong, Bill.
Lars Eighner
<utWxd.7639$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
the lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls
broadcast on alt.politics:
Liar.
--
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"With a heavy dose of fear and violence, and a lot of money for projects,
I think we can convince these people that we are here to help them"
-- Lt. Col. Nathan Sassaman
Lars Eighner
<5JWxd.7685$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>> I know you conservatives desperately
>> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>> point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>> mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
> The Mayflower Compact
Has nothing to do with the United States of America.
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the
merger of state and corporate power."-Benito Mussolini * When you write the
check to pay your taxes, remember there are two l's in "Halliburton."
Mindless Drooling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <5JWxd.7685$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> the lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls
> broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
>
>
>
>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>
>>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>
>
>
>
>>The Mayflower Compact
>
>
> Has nothing to do with the United States of America.
Wrong again. It's our nation's first founding document.
Mindless Drooling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <utWxd.7639$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> the lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls
> broadcast on alt.politics:
>
>
>>Lars Eighner wrote:
>>
>>>In our last episode,
>>><nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>>>lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>>>alt.politics.homosexuality:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
>>>
>>>
>>>Liar.
>
>
>
>>Asshole. The Pilgrims were Christians.
>
>
>
>>>>and was founded on Christian
>>>>principles.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>>>
>>>
>>>The Pilgrims were not the founders of America. There is a lot
>>>of history between Plymouth Rock and Independence Hall.
>
>
>
>>There's also a lot of history between Independence Hall and the Vietnam
>>War, but that doesn't change the fact that the Pilgrims founded this
>>country.
>
>
> Liar.
And our nation's first founding document is the Mayflower Compact.
Lars Eighner
<xPWxd.7706$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
broadcast on alt.politics:
> Lars Eighner wrote:
Bullshit. It has nothing to do with the United States of
America. It isn't even the founding document of the State of
Massachusetts.
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Mindless Drooling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <xPWxd.7706$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
> the lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls
> broadcast on alt.politics:
>
>
>>Lars Eighner wrote:
>>
>>>In our last episode,
>>><5JWxd.7685$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>>>the lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls
>>>broadcast on alt.politics.homosexuality:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I know you conservatives desperately
>>>>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>>>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>>>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>
>>>
>>>Has nothing to do with the United States of America.
>
>
>
>>Wrong again. It's our nation's first founding document.
>
>
>
> Bullshit. It has nothing to do with the United States of
> America.
Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers. From
their humble colonies grew our great Christian nation. The first
founding document is the one they drew up, upon landing at these shores
- the Mayflower Compact.
And that important founding document clearly spells out that they were
creating a Christian nation, to the glory of God.
Your attempts to revise history are duly noted, however. We understand
your frustration and deep disappointment over having just learned that
ours is a Christian nation, founded on an overtly Christian founding
document, Lars!
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,492 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
"Mindless [RRR cultists] wrote:
> Our nation was founded...
...primarily, but not entirely...
> ... by Christians, and was founded...
...primarily, but not entirely...
> ...on Christian principles.
And the Christians who were involved in that generally were
nothing like the hateful PSEUDO-Christians and deluded Christians
of the RRR cult that contaminates America today just as surely as
a 5% arsenic solution would contaminate a glass of drinking water.
America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people
who valued personal liberties. And who wouldn't have allowed slavery
to persevere at that time, had it not been for the fact that the South
otherwise wouldn't have joined in the formation of the United States.
Today's America gives EQUAL rights to people of ALL religions,
ALL ethnicities, and ALL races.
To any mindless and hateful lout who says "Scre Hanukah" and
"Screw Kwanzaa," tha answer is very easy. Move to Russia. The
way Putin's been acting, he's probably going to louse it up again, so
you should be right at home there.
RRR cultists: DUMBER that a sack of rusty hammers!
-- Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
Lars Eighner
<ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
alt.politics:
> Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
No, they weren't. But they did oppose Christmas (just to remind
you of what started this thread). One of the reasons they left
Europe was that they could not force other people to stop
celebrating Christmas.
> From their humble colonies grew our great Christian nation.
Not so. They were a small part of one of thirteen colonies,
most of which were founded as commercial enterprises. They
ruined themselves with witch hunts and sectarian infighting, and
by 1776, most Americans were sick of them.
> The first founding document is the one they drew up, upon
> landing at these shores - the Mayflower Compact.
Which might as well be a laundry list for all it has to do with
the United States of America.
> And that important founding document clearly spells out that
> they were creating a Christian nation, to the glory of God.
No, in fact it says nothing about nationhood. They were
attempting to cheat the investors who had put up the money for
the colony. That is all they did.
> Your attempts to revise history are duly noted, however.
I'm not the one revising history. Were you home schooled or
something? Surely you don't have the imagination to make up all
this crap by yourself.
> We understand your frustration and deep disappointment over
> having just learned that ours is a Christian nation, founded
> on an overtly Christian founding document, Lars!
The supreme law of the land states this quite clearly:
"the Government of the United States of America
is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion."
--the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, Article XI
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
War On Terrorism: Joe McCarthy Brigade
"The decadent left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead -- and may well
mount a fifth column." Andrew Sullivan, _The New Republic_
Mindless Drooling Libruls
Forever!! wrote:
> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people
> who valued personal liberties.
Just like today's Christians. But remarkably UNLIKE today's pagans and
Atheists and Homosexual Propagandists, we should also add.
America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
L. Michael Roberts
> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>
>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>
>
> The Mayflower Compact
>
> 1620
> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the
> Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God,
> of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian
nation"... are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
monarchy of England as it says above?
<snip>
--
+==================== L. Michael Roberts ======================+
This represents my personal opinion and NOT Company policy
Goderich, Ont, Canada. To reply, post a request for my valid E-mail
"Life is a sexually transmitted, terminal, condition"
+================================================================+
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
> In our last episode,
> <ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
> lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
> alt.politics:
>
>> Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>
> No, they weren't.
Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
settle here than the Pilgrims? Got a name for this imaginary group of
yours? Got the date your imaginary group landed on our shores?
Poor Lars - blowing blue smoke out his ass again....
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>
>> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>
>>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>>
>>
>> The Mayflower Compact
>>
>> 1620
>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>> the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace
>> of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>
> So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian nation"...
I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
> monarchy of England as it says above?
No, because later arrivals to this nation they founded came from various
countries besides England. Most of our citizens are of German ancestry.
That is the most common ancestry of our country's citizens. English
ancestry is further down the list.
But those founders of our nation were definitely Christians, and they
clearly founded our nation on Christian principles, as that first founding
document (the Mayflower Compact) proves.
Lars Eighner
<JRZxd.6427$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
alt.politics:
> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
>> In our last episode,
>> <ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>> lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>> alt.politics:
>>
>>> Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>>
>> No, they weren't.
> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
> settle here than the Pilgrims?
The Asian people, formerly known as Indians.
The Pilgrims settled a tiny part of the present state of
Massachusetts. Their sectarian persecution of other settlers
made them a small minority, even in Massachusetts, by the time
the United States became a nation. And there were twelve other
colonies. You don't really think the Pilgrims bred and spread
out from Maine to Carolina in the approximately 150 they were on
this continent before the United States became a nation?
> Got a name for this imaginary group of
> yours? Got the date your imaginary group landed on our shores?
The Indians were here before the Pilgrims by several thousand
years. The Spanish had outposts in what is now the United
States at least a few years before Plymouth Rock. The Indians,
at least, had some influence on our Constitution, but "first"
doesn't mean "founder." The Pilgrims had nothing to do with
most of the colonies that became The United States, were not
especially influential even in the colonies in which they
resided.
And to remind of the subject of this thread, the Pilgrims were
opposed to the celebration of Christmas.
> Poor Lars - blowing blue smoke out his ass again....
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Lars Eighner
<jWZxd.6441$Z47...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
broadcast on alt.politics:
> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>
>>> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>>
>>>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>>>
>>>
>>> The Mayflower Compact
>>>
>>> 1620
>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>>> the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace
>>> of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>>
>> So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian nation"...
> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
No. They clearly were not founding a nation. They were clearly
pledging their allegiance to the British King.
And PS: if the Pilgrims founded this nation, why is there a
Christmas, the celebration of which the Pilgrims opposed?
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
We used to wonder where war lived, what it was that made it so vile.
And now we realize that we know where it lives, that it is inside ourselves.
- Albert Camus
Mindless Drewling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <JRZxd.6427$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
> alt.politics:
>
>> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
>>> In our last episode,
>>> <ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>>> lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>>> alt.politics:
>>>
>>>> Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>>>
>>> No, they weren't.
>
>
>> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
>> settle here than the Pilgrims?
>
> The Asian people, formerly known as Indians.
I've never heard the Asians referred to as the founders of America.
Instead, I have always seen them referred to as nomads and tribes, with no
national aspirations whatsoever, no founding documents, no principles upon
which they were identifiable as a distinct nation in any way whatsoever.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
On the contrary, they FLED from Britain and the King.
Lars Eighner
<yv_xd.8012$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
Bullshit. They left Britain and went to the Netherlands because
the British would not allow them to persecute others, and they
wore out their welcome with the Dutch the same way.
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Matty
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> said:
Actually, the found fathers were deists and free masons, so if
anything, if you wanted to return to your "roots", join the local free
mansons society and learn their charter of morality.
Matty
L. Michael Roberts
> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
>
>>In our last episode,
>><ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>>lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>>alt.politics:
>>
>>>Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>>
>>No, they weren't.
>
> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
> settle here
The native americans and aboriginal peoples.... our forefathers stole
the land from them while destroying their centuries old culture with
"christian missionaries".
L. Michael Roberts
> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>
>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
<snip>
>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>
>>> 1620
>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>>>the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace
>>>of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>>
>>So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian nation"...
>
> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>
> are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
>
>>monarchy of England as it says above?
>
> No, because later arrivals to this nation they founded came from various
> countries besides England. Most of our citizens are of German ancestry.
> That is the most common ancestry of our country's citizens. English
> ancestry is further down the list.
That does not change what was written in the Mayflower Compact.
>
> But those founders of our nation were definitely Christians, and they
> clearly founded our nation on Christian principles, as that first founding
> document (the Mayflower Compact) proves.
But it also says they are "the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign
Lord, King James" so if the christian part is true, then this part is
also true as you don't get to pick and choose like the "cafeteria
christians" do with scriptures.
Besides... just what weight does the Mayflower Compact have in the
legal system of the USA where the supreme law of the land states "the
Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
on the Christian religion." ?
Dave Thompson
news:ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
The document was written to give the Pilgrims a basis of authority over
"outsiders" who were not following their doctrine, namely the puritans who
did not want a seperation from the Anglican church. After the King asserted
his authority over the colonies the document essentially meant nothing. The
same can be said of the AoC which superceded the authority of the King and
then the Constitution which superceded the authority of the AoC. That's how
contracts work. Get with the ticket.
> And that important founding document clearly spells out that they were
> creating a Christian nation, to the glory of God.
So what? They were also spelling out the authority of their Christian
beliefs over other Christian beliefs. The last I checked we were not a
nation of Pilgrims or even Puritans. So much for living up to their wishes.
>
> Your attempts to revise history are duly noted, however.
And you distortion of the truth and plain old ignorance is noted.
We understand
> your frustration and deep disappointment over having just learned that
> ours is a Christian nation, founded on an overtly Christian founding
> document, Lars!
The only person frustrated here is you, as demonstrated in your constant
posting and trolling. We are merely correcting you lies.
Dave Thompson
"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <DemPar...@Nowhere.com> wrote in message
Explain why this matters.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
>>>> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated
>>>> their
>>>> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>>>
>>> No. They clearly were not founding a nation. They were clearly
>>> pledging their allegiance to the British King.
>
>
>> On the contrary, they FLED from Britain and the King.
>
> Bullshit. They left Britain and went to the Netherlands because
> the British would not allow them to persecute others, and they
> wore out their welcome with the Dutch the same way.
Your geographical ignorance is showing again, Lars! Plymouth,
Massachusetts is NOT "the Netherlands"!
The Pilgrims fled from Britain and the King and founded a nation, starting
in what is now Plymouth, Massachusetts.
That's not "the Netherlands", Lars.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Matty" <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2004122208254750878%kaiwainz@yahoocomau...
Actually, founding fathers were Christians.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>
>> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
>> news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
>>
>>>In our last episode,
>>><ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>>>lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>>>alt.politics:
>>>
>>>>Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>>>
>>>No, they weren't.
>>
>> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
>> settle here
>
> The native americans and aboriginal peoples....
Nope. "native" means "already lived here". So obviously THEY didn't come
to our shores to found America. But the Pilgrim Christians did. And THE
founding document is the Mayflower Compact. Your so-called "native
americans" couldn't even write. Didn't even know about "complicated"
machines such as The Wheel. Bunch of backwards barbarians. Tribal
savages fighting with each other, brutally attacking neighboring indian
tribes. They didn't found a damn thing.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>
>> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>
>>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>>
>>>> 1620
>>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>>>> the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the
>>>> Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the
>>>> Faith, e&.
>>>
>>>So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian nation"...
>>
>> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
>> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>>
>> are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
>>
>>>monarchy of England as it says above?
>>
>> No, because later arrivals to this nation they founded came from various
>> countries besides England. Most of our citizens are of German ancestry.
>> That is the most common ancestry of our country's citizens. English
>> ancestry is further down the list.
>
> That does not change what was written in the Mayflower Compact.
Correct. What it DOES mean is that the USA doesn't owe allegiance to the
monarchy of England, as someone tried to suggest above.
Lars Eighner
<vc%xd.6703$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>> Bullshit. They left Britain and went to the Netherlands because
>> the British would not allow them to persecute others, and they
>> wore out their welcome with the Dutch the same way.
> Your geographical ignorance is showing again, Lars! Plymouth,
> Massachusetts is NOT "the Netherlands"!
You ignorance of history is appalling. The Pilgrims spent
eleven years in the Netherlands before they came to America.
They seem so important to you, how is it you know so little
about them?
> The Pilgrims fled from Britain and the King and founded a
> nation, starting in what is now Plymouth, Massachusetts.
They did not flee Britain. They left because they could not
persecute others in Britain. They did not have much luck in the
Netherlands either. Then they struck a deal with a group of
British investors to attempt a commercial expedition to America.
> That's not "the Netherlands", Lars.
You were home schooled, weren't you?
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Hand me down my love beads, babe. The generals are at it again.
They see the light at the end of the tunnel. This time it's in Afghanistan.
When they make a Vietnam of Iraq, who knows what next they will want to attack.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Dave Thompson" <Da...@kissmybigfatwhitehairyass.com> wrote in message
news:10sgvar...@corp.supernews.com...
No, the document was written to give glory to God and to underline and
highlight His Divine sovereignty over the nation they were founding.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
Read back through this thread and you'll realize why.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
> In our last episode,
> <vc%xd.6703$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>
>>> Bullshit. They left Britain and went to the Netherlands because
>>> the British would not allow them to persecute others, and they
>>> wore out their welcome with the Dutch the same way.
>
>
>> Your geographical ignorance is showing again, Lars! Plymouth,
>> Massachusetts is NOT "the Netherlands"!
>
> You ignorance of history is appalling. The Pilgrims spent
> eleven years in the Netherlands before they came to America.
So they came from England, and went to America.
As has been already pointed out to you.
Try to keep up, Lars.
They founded our Christian nation, and the founding document is the
Mayflower Compact.
Dave Thompson
message news:vc%xd.6703$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
The Pilgrims fled Britain for Amsterdam and lived there for over a decade
before picking up a few other religious separatists and heading the
Americas.
With such an ignorance of history, why don't you bother to check your facts
before you post?
Dave Thompson
"Mindless Drewling Libruls" <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in
But not of the flavor you suggest, and we all know how much certain
Christians hate other Christians.
Dave Thompson
I know you want to ignore the circumstances under which the document was
written because it undermines you lie, but it is well documented why it was
written. It was written to give them authority over the dissenters and to
give them a basis for owning land. All of the glory to god stuff is
irrelevant.
Dave Thompson
I've read the thread and haven't seen anything showing the relevance of the
document to our lives or our government today. You keep asserting that it
does, but provide nothing to explain why. The document is historical, not
legal, and you have no evidence to show otherwise.
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<5JWxd.7685$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>> I know you conservatives desperately
>> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>> point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>> mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>
>
>
> The Mayflower Compact
>
> 1620
> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the
> Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God,
> of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>
> Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
> Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant
> the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents,
> solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant
> and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
> Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
> Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
> Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
> thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
> which we promise all due submission and obedience.
>
> In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape
> Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James
> of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the
> fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."
>
>
> http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/mayflow.html
>
>
> That's clear enough - "for the glory of God and the advancement of the
> Christian Faith".
>
> So, once again, you're wrong, Bill.
Nope, you are. The Mayflower Compact is not one of our founding
documents. Care to try again?
--
Funny Lurlean quote #34:
"I hope a piece of the sun falls directly on Baghdad and burns it all up."
--Lurlean provides her own commentary to the lyrics "Re, a drop of golden sun"
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<ou_xd.8011$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
The pilgrims have never been referred to as the founding fathers of
America, either, except by you.
--
Lurlean Lie #27:
"In the dictionary of psychology your picture is prominently featured in the
'repressed memory's' section."
news:1dcee589.04090...@posting.google.com
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<uf%xd.6729$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:SS_xd.86647$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>
>>> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
>>> news:slrncsgi1t....@goodwill.io.com...
>>>
>>>>In our last episode,
>>>><ivXxd.5763$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>>>>lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>>>>alt.politics:
>>>>
>>>>>Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers.
>>>>
>>>>No, they weren't.
>>>
>>> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores to
>>> settle here
>>
>> The native americans and aboriginal peoples....
>
>
> Nope. "native" means "already lived here". So obviously THEY didn't come
> to our shores to found America. But the Pilgrim Christians did.
No they didn't.
> And THE founding document is the Mayflower Compact.
No it isn't.
> Your so-called "native americans" couldn't even write. Didn't even
> know about "complicated" machines such as The Wheel. Bunch of
> backwards barbarians. Tribal savages fighting with each other,
> brutally attacking neighboring indian tribes. They didn't found a damn
> thing.
Just like the pilgrims didn't found America.
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Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<bj%xd.6754$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
Too bad they didn't found a nation, huh?
--
Funny Lurlean quote #7:
"...it's easier for us to purify your charge account if you don't got no
pre-set spending limit to impede us." --Lurlean's attempt to explain why
her cult isn't a big scam falls flat on its face.
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<Wm%xd.6775$Z47....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
Prove that the Mayflower Compact is in any way a founding document of our
nation.
--
Funny Lurlean quote #17:
"But be warned all ye homo's and sodomites and sapphites - God's got you in the
cross hairs and His vessel of wrath is a brimming over with deadly plagues from
the Spiral Nebula Ganna all ready to start consuming your proud, vain,
rebellious flesh!"
Bill Baker
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
news:<Ng%xd.6738$Z47...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
That's right. It also doesn't mean that the Mayflower Compact was one of
our founding documents.
--
Bill Baker
<DemPar...@Nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:<lRXxd.7857$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
> Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,492 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
> Forever!! wrote:
>
>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people
>> who valued personal liberties.
>
>
> Just like today's Christians. But remarkably UNLIKE today's pagans and
> Atheists and Homosexual Propagandists, we should also add.
>
> America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
> Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
> Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
Wrong again.
--
Oh, geez, my duodenum's acting up!
L. Michael Roberts
>
>>In our last episode,
>><jWZxd.6441$Z47...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
>>the lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls
>>
>>>"L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>>
>>>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
<snip>
>>>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>>>
>>>>> 1620
>>>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>>>>>the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the
>>>>>Grace
>>>>>of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith,
>>>>>e&.
>>>>
>>>>So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian
>>>>nation"...
>>
>>>I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
>>>intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>>
>>No. They clearly were not founding a nation. They were clearly
>>pledging their allegiance to the British King.
>
> On the contrary, they FLED from Britain and the King.
...But acknowledged the sovereignty of King James in the mayflower
compact you tout so highly.
However, yo have not answered the most important question.... what
relevance does the Mayflower Compact have in the USA when the law of the
land states that the USA is NOT a christian nation?
L. Michael Roberts
You claimed you were here to debate yet you constantly snip [without
marking] some of the most relevant points and questions. Why is that?
Are they too difficult for you to answer or do you just prefer to ignore
them because they don't fit in with your agenda? You may think this
tactic makes you look good but others reading these threads can see you
avoid being honest.
I will restore the question which you snipped in the hopes that the
remaining shreds of honesty you may possess will prompt you to answer:
Andrealphus
> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> In our last episode,
>> the lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>>
>>>> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you
>>>> to point out any document that this nation was founded on that
>>>> specifically mentions the Christian God, not just a God in
>>>> general, or a "Creator."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The Mayflower Compact
>>
>>
>> Has nothing to do with the United States of America.
>
>
> Wrong again. It's our nation's first founding document.
Bullshit.
--
"Only Buddhism is compatible with science. It covers the smallest
particles to the largest creations of the cosmos. It is the only
religion capable of scientific truth."
Albert Einstein
Andrealphus
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 +0000, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
> news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>
>> Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>> principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>
> founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. I know you
> conservatives desperately wish that this country was founded on
> Christianity, but I dare you to point out any document that this
> nation was founded on that specifically mentions the Christian God,
> not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
Hahahaha! The guy thinks the Pilgrims were founding fathers? LOL!
Andrealphus
>
>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 +0000, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
>> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
>> news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>>
>>
>>> Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>>> principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>>
>>
>> Wrong. The pilgrims were not our founding fathers.
>
>
No, they weren't, not even remotely.
Andrealphus
> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
>> In our last episode,
>> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>>>> In our last episode,
>>>> lovely and talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on
>>>> alt.politics:
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>> Oh? So who does someone like you think came earlier to our shores
>>
>> The Asian people, formerly known as Indians.
>
>
> I've never heard the Asians referred to as the founders of America.
> Instead, I have always seen them referred to as nomads and tribes,
> with no national aspirations whatsoever, no founding documents, no
> principles upon which they were identifiable as a distinct nation in
> any way whatsoever.
Never heard of the Iroquois Nation? The Cherokee Nation?
Andrealphus
> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>> Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>
>>> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>>
>>>> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you
>>>> to point out any document that this nation was founded on that
>>>> specifically mentions the Christian God, not just a God in
>>>> general, or a "Creator."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1620
>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are
>>> underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King
>>> James, by the Grace of God, of England, France and Ireland, King,
>>> Defender of the Faith, e&.
>>
>> So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian
>> nation"...
>
>
> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated
> their intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>
>
Then they set about murdering or converting the Natives, Quakers, "Witches",
and pretty much anyone else that happened to cross their path. All in the
name of God.
They didn't found crap but a petty Theocratic tyranny.
Andrealphus
>> In our last episode,
>> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>>
>>
>>
>>> Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
>>
>>
>> Liar.
>
>
> Asshole. The Pilgrims were Christians.
>
Asshole. The Pilgrims did not found the United States.
Adam H.
neighing and braying of farmyard animals:
>On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:36:59 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
><L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>
>>> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michae...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>>
>>>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>>>
>>>>> 1620
>>>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten,
>>>>>the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace
>>>>>of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>>>>
>>>>So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian nation"...
>>>
>>> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
>>> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>>>
>>> are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
>>>
>>>>monarchy of England as it says above?
>>>
>>> No, because later arrivals to this nation they founded came from various
>>> countries besides England. Most of our citizens are of German ancestry.
>>> That is the most common ancestry of our country's citizens. English
>>> ancestry is further down the list.
>>
>> That does not change what was written in the Mayflower Compact.
>>
>>>
>>> But those founders of our nation were definitely Christians, and they
>>> clearly founded our nation on Christian principles, as that first founding
>>> document (the Mayflower Compact) proves.
>>
>> But it also says they are "the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign
>>Lord, King James" so if the christian part is true, then this part is
>>also true as you don't get to pick and choose like the "cafeteria
>>christians" do with scriptures.
>> Besides... just what weight does the Mayflower Compact have in the
>>legal system of the USA where the supreme law of the land states "the
>>Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
>>on the Christian religion." ?
>
>That's a stupid conclusion. But then you are a stupid canadian who
>wishes so that he was an American. Our founding father had strong
>religious convictions and an even a stronger advocacy of rectitude of
>conduct. Conduct based on morality. All of which are elements of
>character that is despised by homosexuals of all sorts. Moral behavior
>of any sort be it religion based or rectitudal is seen by homosexuals
>to be the major obstacle on their pink brick road to fairyland aka
>acceptance by society in general. Let me give you a clue to help you
>understand...MORALITY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE WITH IT HAND IN
>YOUR FACE!
Now, if only grammar and spelling had their hands in your face...you
might want to try again - but be coherent this time.
---
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be
adorned by a downright moron."
H. L. Mencken
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,492 days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
"Mindless Drooling [RRR cult lemmings]" wrote:
> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> "Mindless Drooling [RRR cult lemmings] wrote:
>>> Our nation was founded...
>> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>>> ... by Christians, and was founded...
>> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>>> ...on Christian principles.
>> And the Christians who were involved in that generally were
>> nothing like the hateful PSEUDO-Christians and deluded Christians
>> of the RRR cult that contaminates America today just as surely as
>> a 5% arsenic solution would contaminate a glass of drinking water.
>>
>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people
>> who valued personal liberties. And who wouldn't have allowed slavery
>> to persevere at that time, had it not been for the fact that the South
>> otherwise wouldn't have joined in the formation of the United States.
> Just like today's Christians.
Today's **CHRISTIANS**, yes. 94% of America's professing
Christians BEHAVE like Christians, and generally are sensible and
tolerant people. UNlike the above-mentioned hateful and/or
bone-ignorant 6% of the USA's professing Christians who embrace
the loathsome and unconscionable agendas of the RRR cult. The
biggest identifiable collection of sociopathic losers that America has
contained since the segregationists.
> But remarkably UNLIKE today's pagans and Atheists and
> Homosexual Propagandists,
Wrong. The people you call "pagans" (which in reality are, no
doubt, are comprised of all non-Christians, to your way of warped
thinking) and atheists tend to be EVERY BIT as compassionate
and fair-minded as the 94% of professing Christians who are DECENT
people.
And there's no such thing as a "homosexual propagandist," since
the homosexual community seeks nothing more than the very same
EQUALITY that the blacks sought in Civil Rights Movement I, 40+
years ago. (Of course, it is very possible that your profound ignor-
ance and outright stupidity would have had you referring to MLK, Jr.,
as a "black propagandist," back then. Except that, if so, as hateful
and bigoted as you are, you probably would have used the "N" word,
instead.)
<redundancy from previous post, flushed>
>> Today's America gives EQUAL rights to people of ALL religions,
>> ALL ethnicities, and ALL races.
>>
>> To any mindless and hateful lout who says "Scre Hanukah" and
>> "Screw Kwanzaa," tha answer is very easy. Move to Russia. The
>> way Putin's been acting, he's probably going to louse it up again, so
>> you should be right at home there.
>>
>> RRR cultists: DUMBER that a sack of rusty hammers!
-- Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com>
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Every time a person supports bigotry in public, and presents NO
relevant FACTS to back his/her stance in behalf of a loathsome
agenda against individual liberties and human rights, that person
has -- ironically -- further **damaged** the cause he/she supports.
And every time a fair-minded and sensible egalitarian opposes
such a bigot, publicly, and **presents** relevant FACTS that are
damaging to the bigot's agenda, that TOO is an additional nail in
the coffin lid of the agenda, and a push of that casket CLOSER
to the Drain of Extinction -- its well-deserved ultimate destination.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
(E-Mail address is valid when removing _ from it.)
Sir Cumference
> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>
>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>
>
>
>
> The Mayflower Compact
>
> 1620
> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the
> Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God,
> of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
>
> Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
> Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a voyage to plant
> the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia; do by these presents,
> solemnly and mutually in the Presence of God and one of another, covenant
> and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better
> Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid; And by
> Virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws,
> Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be
> thought most meet and convenient for the General good of the Colony; unto
> which we promise all due submission and obedience.
>
> In Witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape
> Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord, King James
> of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the
> fifty-fourth. Anno Domini, 1620."
>
>
> http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/mayflow.html
>
>
> That's clear enough - "for the glory of God and the advancement of the
> Christian Faith".
>
> So, once again, you're wrong, Bill.
>
>
Opps, you just ruined his/her/it's day.
Sir Cumference
Forever!! wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 GMT,
> "Mindless [RRR cultists] wrote:
>
>
>
>> Our nation was founded...
>
>
> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>
>
>> ... by Christians, and was founded...
>
>
> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>
>
>> ...on Christian principles.
>
>
> And the Christians who were involved in that generally were
> nothing like the hateful PSEUDO-Christians and deluded Christians
> of the RRR cult that contaminates America today just as surely as
> a 5% arsenic solution would contaminate a glass of drinking water.
You must be kidding, you should study up on the Puritans sometime. You
would really scream if you lived under the restrictions they imposed.
Sir Cumference
>
> I'm not the one revising history. Were you home schooled or
> something?
If he was he had a better chance of learning true history than what you
got in public school.
Bill Baker
<OHNOL...@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message
news:<ar1yd.6775$RH4....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
> Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 +0000, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
>> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
>> news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>>
>>> Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>>> principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>>
>> Wrong. The pilgrims were not our founding fathers. Most of our
>> founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. I know you
>> conservatives desperately wish that this country was founded on
>> Christianity, but I dare you to point out any document that this
>> nation was founded on that specifically mentions the Christian God,
>> not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>
> Hahahaha! The guy thinks the Pilgrims were founding fathers? LOL!
Yep. Even though the Mayflower hasn't been around for almost 500 years,
he somehow thinks the Mayflower Compact is legally binding. Typical
uneducated conservative.
--
Funny Sister Lurlean quote #7:
"Still a praying for SCUM like you"
Andrealphus
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:27:18 +0000, "Andrealphus"
> <OHNOL...@NARNIA.WHOCARES> wrote in message
> news:<ar1yd.6775$RH4....@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>:
>
>> Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 +0000, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
>>> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:<nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>:
>>>
>>>> Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>>>> principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>>>
>>> Wrong. The pilgrims were not our founding fathers. Most of our
>>> founding fathers were Deists, not Christians. I know you
>>> conservatives desperately wish that this country was founded on
>>> Christianity, but I dare you to point out any document that this
>>> nation was founded on that specifically mentions the Christian God,
>>> not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>>
>> Hahahaha! The guy thinks the Pilgrims were founding fathers? LOL!
>
> Yep. Even though the Mayflower hasn't been around for almost 500
> years, he somehow thinks the Mayflower Compact is legally binding.
> Typical uneducated conservative.
That's so off the wall and ignorant I can scarcely believe he/she can be
serious.
Captain Sensible
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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 14:36:59 -0500, "L. Michael Roberts"
<L_Michael_Robe...@nospam.com> wrote:
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>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>> "L. Michael Roberts" <L_Michael_Robe...@nospam.com> wrote in message
>> news:9RYxd.86639$vO1.5...@nnrp1.uunet.ca...
>>>Mindless Drewling Libruls wrote:
>>>>"Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
><snip>
>>>>The Mayflower Compact
>>>> 1620
>>>> "In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are
underwritten,
>>>>the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the
Grace
>>>>of God, of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the
Faith, e&.
>>>So if you are claiming this document made the USA a "christian
nation"...
>> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated
their
>> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>> are you also claiming that the USA owes allegiance to the
>>>monarchy of England as it says above?
>> No, because later arrivals to this nation they founded came from
various
>> countries besides England. Most of our citizens are of German
ancestry.
>> That is the most common ancestry of our country's citizens.
English
>> ancestry is further down the list.
> That does not change what was written in the Mayflower
Compact.
>> But those founders of our nation were definitely Christians, and
they
>> clearly founded our nation on Christian principles, as that first
founding
>> document (the Mayflower Compact) proves.
> But it also says they are "the Loyal Subjects of our dread
Sovereign
>Lord, King James" so if the christian part is true, then this part is
>also true as you don't get to pick and choose like the "cafeteria
>christians" do with scriptures.
> Besides... just what weight does the Mayflower Compact have in
the
>legal system of the USA where the supreme law of the land states "the
>Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded
>on the Christian religion." ?
That's a stupid conclusion. But then you are a stupid canadian who
wishes so that he was an American. Our founding father had strong
religious convictions and an even a stronger advocacy of rectitude of
conduct. Conduct based on morality. All of which are elements of
character that is despised by homosexuals of all sorts. Moral behavior
of any sort be it religion based or rectitudal is seen by homosexuals
to be the major obstacle on their pink brick road to fairyland aka
acceptance by society in general. Let me give you a clue to help you
understand...MORALITY WILL ALWAYS BE THERE WITH IT HAND IN
YOUR FACE!
Oh. I'm sorry. I guess my re-printing your post in its entirety here
sort of screws up your request not to archive, huh.
My bad.
I'm sensible
Jude Cooper
"Mindless Drooling Libruls" <DemPar...@Nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:utWxd.7639$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> In our last episode,
>> <nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
>> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
>>
>>
>> Liar.
>
>
> Asshole. The Pilgrims were Christians.
>
>
>>
>>>The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>>
>>
>> of history between Plymouth Rock and Independence Hall.
>
>
> There's also a lot of history between Independence Hall and the Vietnam
> War, but that doesn't change the fact that the Pilgrims founded this
> country.
How could the Pilgrims found this country when their were Spanaird already
here as were Native American indians. If the indians didn't settle the
U.S., why do they call them American. I am from SC and know a little about
the state history. As early as 1514, over of century before the Pilgrims,
Spaniards were exploring the SC coast. Even the French Huguenot attempted
settlement in the state.in 1562 The Spaniards built Fort San Felipe on
Parris Island in 1566 and made a new settlement there know as Santa Elena.
SC was one of the 13 colonies and the Mayflower Compact was never applicable
to the state and other regions other than the Pilgrims themselves. The
document was significant because it was the first example of an independent
civil government in the English realms of the New World but our current
government did not evolve from it because England claimed the land and
established the 13 colonies almost 50 years after the compact was written.
Many of the new settlers migrating to the New World were Christians who came
to America to seek religious freedoms. Based on their own experience, the
country was founded as a nation that respected all religions and sought
protection in the nation's Constitution from the government establishing a
religion like the Church of England. SC was one the first states to
establish freedom of religion in its the state constitution so many Jewish
immigrants settled in the state where Charleston had the largest Jewish
communities in the South. Therefore we see that freedom of religion
welcomes faiths other than Christianity.
.
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,491days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
Sir Cumference <m...@this.ten> wrote:
> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> Our nation was founded...
>> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>>> ... by Christians, and was founded...
>> ...primarily, but not entirely...
>>> ...on Christian principles.
>> And the Christians who were involved in that generally were
>> nothing like the hateful PSEUDO-Christians and deluded Christians
>> of the RRR cult that contaminates America today just as surely as
>> a 5% arsenic solution would contaminate a glass of drinking water.
> You must be kidding, you should study up on the Puritans sometime.
> You would really scream if you lived under the restrictions they imposed.
The Puritans were long gone by the time America got started, over
100 years later. But if the RRR cult of today were ever to have its
way, we would see a RETURN of all or most of those asinine, hateful,
and ignorant restrictions. They have the *same* warped and control-
freakish mindset.
Matty
> In our last episode,
> <nXUxd.7416$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the
> lovely and talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>
>
>> Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians,
>
> Liar.
>
>> and was founded on Christian principles.
>
> The fundamental law of the United States says otherwise.
>
>> The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves it.
>
> The Pilgrims were not the founders of America. There is a lot
> of history between Plymouth Rock and Independence Hall.
>
> There were 12 colonies, other than Massachusetts, and even
> Massachusetts was no longer Puritan by 1776. Almost all of the
> colonies were founded as commercial ventures, and by 1776 the
> witch trials and sectarian persecutions had convinced Americans
> that a religion was a stupid thing to base a country on.
Kinda reminds me of the romantic notions that Australians have about
Australias beginnings.
Matty
Matty
<DemPar...@Nowhere.com> said:
> Lars Eighner wrote:
>> In our last episode,
>> <xPWxd.7706$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the lovely and
>> talented Mindless Drooling Libruls broadcast on alt.politics:
>>
>>
>>> Lars Eighner wrote:
>>>
>>>> In our last episode,
>>>> <5JWxd.7685$yK....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, the lovely and
>>>> talented Mindless Drewling Libruls broadcast on
>>>> alt.politics.homosexuality:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Bill Baker" <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:pan.2004.12.21....@postini.spamcon.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know you conservatives desperately
>>>>>> wish that this country was founded on Christianity, but I dare you to
>>>>>> point out any document that this nation was founded on that specifically
>>>>>> mentions the Christian God, not just a God in general, or a "Creator."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The Mayflower Compact
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has nothing to do with the United States of America.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Wrong again. It's our nation's first founding document.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bullshit. It has nothing to do with the United States of
>> America.
>
>
> Wrong again. The Pilgrims are our earliest Founding Fathers. From
> their humble colonies grew our great Christian nation. The first
> founding document is the one they drew up, upon landing at these shores
> - the Mayflower Compact.
>
> And that important founding document clearly spells out that they were
> creating a Christian nation, to the glory of God.
>
> Your attempts to revise history are duly noted, however. We
> understand your frustration and deep disappointment over having just
> learned that ours is a Christian nation, founded on an overtly
> Christian founding document, Lars!
But they were not nation states, they were colonies under the
protectorate of the Crown thus making it nothing to do with the fouding
of the US.
Matty
Matty
<DemPar...@Nowhere.com> said:
> Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,492 days to BYE-BYE Bushie!
> Forever!! wrote:
>
>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people
>> who valued personal liberties.
>
>
> Just like today's Christians. But remarkably UNLIKE today's pagans and
> Atheists and Homosexual Propagandists, we should also add.
>
> America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
> Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
> Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
How can it be a founding document when it wasn't a nation until later on.
Matty
Matty
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> said:
>
> "Matty" <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2004122208254750878%kaiwainz@yahoocomau...
>> On 2004-12-22 01:47:15 +1300, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
>> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> said:
>>
>>>
>>> "Sir Cumference" <m...@this.ten> wrote in message
>>> news:r9GdnXyNJLO...@gbronline.com...
>>>> Siegfriedson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Christmas and Hanukkah: Double Standards for America
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> As a result of their litigation and bullying, the Christian part of
>>>>> Christmas has been stripped away from much of our national life. Not
>>>>> only are Christmas carols banned from public schools, but now even the
>>>>> mention of breaks such as the Christmas Holidays is being quietly
>>>>> phased out in favor of politically correct terms such as "winter
>>>>> holidays."
>>>>>
>>>>> Continued:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=164
>>>>>
>>>>> Listen to this broadcast (streaming MP3):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.davidduke.com:8000/content/dd/christmas&hannukkah11-30.pls
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Weapons Of Christmas Destruction
>>>>>
>>>>> Though my wife and I now home school our children, still they attend
>>>>> public school to participate in band, choir and physical activities.
>>>>> My son came home the other day and mentioned that a Jewish classmate
>>>>> objected to the use of the word "Christmas" in signs posted in the
>>>>> hallways, saying they "offended" her and made her feel "excluded." She
>>>>> told him that the signs violated the Constitutional mandate that
>>>>> Church and State be separated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Today, the Founders' intent has been distorted beyond recognition and
>>>>> carried to ludicrous extremes:
>>>>
>>>> It certainly has.
>>>>> An Oregon kindergarten child was barred from giving his Christmas card
>>>>> to fellow students last Christmas merely because it mentioned Jesus
>>>>> Christ. (Christmas Card with 'Jesus' Banned, WorldNet Daily, 2/10/04.
>>>>> In Seattle just recently, a King County administrative directive
>>>>> instructed county employees not to say "Merry Christmas." (Santa is
>>>>> Appalled, Bill O'Reilly, 12/22/04) It is unclear to me whether that
>>>>> ban extends to their personal lives and homes.
>>>>> A New Jersey high school band was precluded from playing Christmas
>>>>> carols, even instrumentals, at its annual concert this year.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing stopped the Air Force Acadamy band from playing Christmas
>>>> carols at their CHRISTmas concert. Their attitude was, "to hell with
>>>> the ACLU".
>>>>>
>>>>> Continued:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.rense.com/general60/weap.htm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Christmas is "Taboo" In America:
>>>>
>>>> I heard that in Plano Texas they won't let the colors red and green be
>>>> used for any decorations because that represents Christmas. Idioticy at
>>>> it's highests.
>>>>
>>>> My wife asked our first grade granddaughter what they told her about
>>>> Thanksgiving in school. She said the teacher told the students that
>>>> Thanksgiving was so the Pilgrams could thank the Indians for helping
>>>> them throught the winter. Well that is partly true, but it was also to
>>>> thank the God they believed in for helping them as well. Wheather you
>>>> believe in God or not, or in seperation of church and state or not,
>>>> leaving that part out is re-writing history. The Pilgrams DID thank God
>>>> and held a feast and invited the Indians as part of that thanksgiving.
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly. Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on
>>> Christian principles. The writings and the acts of the Pilgrims proves
>>> it.
>>
>> Actually, the found fathers were deists and free masons, so if
>
>
> Actually, founding fathers were Christians.
No they were. Explain the "all seeing eye" on the bank notes.
Matty
Matty
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> said:
>
> "Lars Eighner" <eig...@io.com> wrote in message
> news:slrncsgtor....@goodwill.io.com...
>>>>> I am saying they FOUNDED this Christian nation, and CLEARLY stated their
>>>>> intended goal of doing so for the glory of God.
>>>>
>>>> No. They clearly were not founding a nation. They were clearly
>>>> pledging their allegiance to the British King.
>>
>>
>>> On the contrary, they FLED from Britain and the King.
>>
>> Bullshit. They left Britain and went to the Netherlands because
>> the British would not allow them to persecute others, and they
>> wore out their welcome with the Dutch the same way.
>
>
> Your geographical ignorance is showing again, Lars! Plymouth,
> Massachusetts is NOT "the Netherlands"!
>
> The Pilgrims fled from Britain and the King and founded a nation,
> starting in what is now Plymouth, Massachusetts.
>
> That's not "the Netherlands", Lars.
Darling, maybe you should read the post again. No where does the
original poster say that they stayed in the netherlands indefinately.
Matty
Lars Eighner
the lovely and talented Matty broadcast on alt.politics:
> Kinda reminds me of the romantic notions that Australians have about
> Australias beginnings.
What's romantic about English prisons?
--
Lars Eighner eig...@io.com http://www.io.com/~eighner/
Nonviolence doesn't always work -- but violence never does.
- Madge Michaels-Cyrus
Matty
> In our last episode, <2004122220074184492%kaiwainz@yahoocomau>,
> the lovely and talented Matty broadcast on alt.politics:
>
>> Kinda reminds me of the romantic notions that Australians have about
>> Australias beginnings.
>
> What's romantic about English prisons?
Good question, maybe an Australia "historian" can answer that. Studying
Australian history is about as boring as learning New Zealand history,
and quite frankly, lacks the meat that Europe has.
Matty
Bonnie Bitch
<LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote:
>Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>principles.
Note how the following quotes from the Founding Fathers support your
opinion --- NOT!
The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the
Christian Religion. --George Washington
In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to
Liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
During almost fifteen centuries the legal establishment of
Christianity has been upon trial. What has been its fruits? More or
less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and
servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and
persecution. --James Madison
Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the
worst. --Thomas Paine
The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the
Supreme Being as his Father, in the womb of a virgin will be
classified with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of
Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of
thought in these United States will do away with this artificial
scaffolding and restore to use the primitive and genuine doctrines of
this most venerated Reformer of human errors. --Thomas Jefferson
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity.
Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions,
Oaths, Doctrines, and whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we
find in Christianity. --John Adams
I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the
world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity]
one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and
mythology. --Thomas Jefferson
Happy Hospice, whore --
Bonnie Bitch
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,491days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Mindless Drooling [RRR-cult lemmings] wrote:
>> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible
>>> people who valued personal liberties.
[ ... ]
>> America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
>> Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
>> Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
> How can it be a founding document when it wasn't a nation
> until later on.
Right. It was a "founding document " for that group of people's
original COLONY, and nothing more.
Mindless and desperate RRR-cult lemmings clutch at every
straw they can, no matter how flimsy -- or, as we saw in this case --
nonexistent they may be.
They have NO relevant FACTS on their side.
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,491days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
Bonnie Bitch <mrkj...@isAWOL.where> wrote:
NICE work, Bonnie!!
THIS one's a KEEPER!!
Matty
> On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:21:52 +1300, Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Mindless Drooling [RRR-cult lemmings] wrote:
>>> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible people who
>>>> valued personal liberties.
>
> [ ... ]
>
>>> America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
>>> Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
>>> Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
>
>> How can it be a founding document when it wasn't a nation until later on.
>
> Right. It was a "founding document " for that group of people's
> original COLONY, and nothing more.
And a colony that still recognised the soveignty of the crown over the
land, and thus, were still subjects to King James.
>
> Mindless and desperate RRR-cult lemmings clutch at every straw they
> can, no matter how flimsy -- or, as we saw in this case --
> nonexistent they may be.
>
> They have NO relevant FACTS on their side.
But hey, that doesn't stop them from having a damn good rant 'n blame
for all the problems they create for themselves in their lives.
Matty
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,491days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>> Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> Mindless Drooling [RRR-cult lemmings] wrote:
>>>> Craig Chilton <xanad...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>>>>> America's founders were generally fair-minded and sensible
>>>>> people who valued personal liberties.
[ ... ]
>>>> America's founders were Christians, and they founded this great
>>>> Christian nation of ours on Christian principles, as the Mayflower
>>>> Compact (the first founding document) clearly proves.
>>> How can it be a founding document when it wasn't a nation
>>> until later on.
>> Right. It was a "founding document " for that group of people's
>> original COLONY, and nothing more.
> And a colony that still recognised the soveignty of the crown
> over the land, and thus, were still subjects to King James.
Very true!
>> Mindless and desperate RRR-cult lemmings clutch at every
>> straw they can, no matter how flimsy -- or, as we saw in this case --
>> nonexistent they may be.
>>
>> They have NO relevant FACTS on their side.
> But hey, that doesn't stop them from having a damn good
> rant 'n blame for all the problems they create for themselves in
> their lives.
Bigots have to live in a fantasy world of their own devising,
since most of the REAL world wants nothing to do with those
mindless sociopaths and their loathsome agendas.
Mindless Drewling Libruls
"Bonnie Bitch" <mrkj...@isAWOL.where> wrote in message
news:u3qis0l7sq61pal3t...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:47:15 GMT, "Mindless Drewling Libruls"
> <LibF...@WhackjobDemmieLeft.com> wrote:
>
>>Our nation was founded by Christians, and was founded on Christian
>>principles.
That's exactly correct. In fact, here's the first founding document,
written by our founding fathers:
The Mayflower Compact 1620
"In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the
Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by the Grace of God,
of England, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, e&.
Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the
Matty
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 02:01:37 +1300, Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> But hey, that doesn't stop them from having a damn good rant 'n blame
>> for all the problems they create for themselves in their lives.
>
> Bigots have to live in a fantasy world of their own devising,
> since most of the REAL world wants nothing to do with those mindless
> sociopaths and their loathsome agendas.
Yeap, but here is something that I noticed; not to sound sexist, but
why is it that the vast majority of racism, sexism and homophobia comes
from males? are males *SO* insecure about themselves, that the see the
need to go around imposing their views and will onto other persons
simply to justify their own position in life?
Matty
Craig Chilton -- Countdown to 1/20/09: 1,491days to BYE-BYE Bushie! Forever!!
Matty <kaiw...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>> But hey, that doesn't stop them from having a damn good
>>> rant 'n blame for all the problems they create for themselves in
>>> their lives.
>> Bigots have to live in a fantasy world of their own devising,
>> since most of the REAL world wants nothing to do with those
>> mindless sociopaths and their loathsome agendas.
> Yeap, but here is something that I noticed; not to sound sexist,
> but why is it that the vast majority of racism, sexism and homophobia
> comes from males? Are males *SO* insecure about themselves,
> that the see the need to go around imposing their views and will
> onto other persons simply to justify their own position in life?
>
>Matty
Consider the volume of water per second that can flow
through a garden hose, compared to that possible with a fire
hose. Then apply that analogy to the amount of data transfer
per (millisecond?) from one hemisphere of the brain to the other
through the corpus callosum (the tissue containing the axons
that join the two hemispheres and permit them to share and
compare data) -- in females and males, where the corpus
callosum in females is roughly TWICE the size of that as males.
Thus limiting males in their ability to reason rationally using
BOTH sides of their brains simultaneously.
Ever heard of males having one-track minds? Well, when it
comes to something that one hemisphere or the other of the brain
has developed a "mindset" about -- it is probably the case that
far more men than women are thus afflicted and limited. And
thus are more subject to uncompromising bigotry.
Maturity also is probably largely a function directly proportional
ability for the two himspheres (the literal left half and the abstract
right half) to communicate well, in real time.
Thus, at least a probable partial explanation for the "insecurity"
you mentioned.
Finally, individual differences must always be taken into
considration. So there are exceptions on a case-by-case
basis to the above generalization. Pussibly due to differen-
ces in hormonal activity from obne person to another.