Terrorist Training 101 Pays Off Again
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after taking up arms against allied forces following their release.
They have been discovered mostly in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but not in
Iraq, a US Defence Department spokesman told The Age yesterday.
Commander Jeffrey Gordon said the detainees had, while in custody, falsely
claimed to be farmers, truck drivers, cooks, small-arms merchants, low-level
combatants or had offered other false explanations for being in Afghanistan.
"We are aware of dozens of cases where they have returned to militant
activities, participated in anti-US propaganda or engaged in other
activities," said Commander Gordon.
[...]
"These former detainees successfully lied to US officials, sometimes for
over three years," he said. "Common cover stories include going to
Afghanistan to buy medicines, to teach the Koran or to find a wife. Many of
these stories appear so often, and are subsequently proven false, that we
can only conclude that they are part of their terrorist training."
~ "Freed Guantanamo inmates take up arms", _The Age_, July 28, 2007
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Scratch
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> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
> release.
Well that does it. Now the left will be calling for more releases and
wanting to get them back to the war zone quicker. They certainly are
doing all they can for Americas enemies.
Sanders Kaufman
> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or recaptured
> after taking up arms against allied forces following their release.
Yeah - there's no better motivation for a man to become a terrorist
against the US but to lock him up in Gitmo for a few years - except
maybe to lock his family up there.
Alohacyberian
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> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
>> release.
>
> Well that does it. Now the left will be calling for more releases and
> wanting to get them back to the war zone quicker. They certainly are
>
Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning 30 of
the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism. Then again,
the 30 are probably a drop in the bucket compared to the actual number of
guilty terrorists who have been released and returned to terrorism. KM
Alohacyberian
Scratch
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> "Scratch" <Larry_...@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
> news:Xns997CE44A...@216.196.97.136...
>> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>
>>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following
>>> their release.
>>
>> Well that does it. Now the left will be calling for more releases and
>> wanting to get them back to the war zone quicker. They certainly are
>> doing all they can for America's enemies.
>>
>
> Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning 30
> of the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism.
> Then again, the 30 are probably a drop in the bucket compared to the
> actual number of guilty terrorists who have been released and returned
> to terrorism. KM
I love the part from the left, how they say I am against the war but
support the troops. Yet are doing everything they can to see that this
kind of thing happens. AQ must be very happy that there are idiots like
this working for the same things they are. Never know which side of a
leftist face to talk to
Scratch
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you ever watch the 1/2hr news hour on foxnews kaufman? You do everything
you can to make excuses in support of Americas enemies. You should watch it
sometime. It's hilarious.
SMITH29
You must have a burr under your blanket.
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Gattman
"Scratch" <Larry_...@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
> I love the part from the left, how they say I am against the war but
> support the troops.
Not all of them. The problem is when the message becomes sloganized.
If any of you have the courage to view this video I think you might agrree
that there's nothing the United States or anybody else could do to a human
being to turn them into the monsters capable of doing and glorifying things
such as this:
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
****WARNING! EXCEPTIONALLY VIOLENT! ****
This ain't the crap you see on Fox, CNN or , conversely, on whatever liberal
anti-war rag some of you people seem to think is telling you the truth about
terrorism.
There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
-c
Gattman
Scratch" <Larry_...@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
news:Xns997D41D3...@216.196.97.136...
> I love the part from the left, how they say I am against the war but
> support the troops.
Not all of them. The problem is when the message becomes sloganized so that
everybody's ideas end up lumped into a simple ideology.
If any of you have the courage to view this video I think you might agrree
that there's nothing the United States or anybody else could do to a human
being to turn them into the monsters capable of doing and glorifying things
such as this:
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
****WARNING! EXCEPTIONALLY VIOLENT! ****
This ain't the crap you see on Fox, CNN or , conversely, on whatever liberal
anti-war rag some of you people seem to think is telling you the truth about
terrorism. I found the link to this at a jihadist site with links about
making detonators, timers, explosives, bombs, etc.
hosted by a Palestinian jihadist and ex-convict who apparently taught
jihadists how to make and use
chemical weapons. (He's probably still getting hardcore gay porn spam,
btw.)
Sanders Kaufman
> If any of you have the courage to view this video I think you might agrree
> that there's nothing the United States or anybody else could do to a human
> being to turn them into the monsters capable of doing and glorifying things
> such as this:
>
> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
That statement of faith is contradicted by the facts.
In fact, the US has proved that it is QUITE capable of turning ordinary
people into terrorists.
Rain on the scarecrow, blood on the plow.
Sanders Kaufman
> This ain't the crap you see on Fox, CNN or , conversely, on whatever liberal
> anti-war rag some of you people seem to think is telling you the truth about
> terrorism.
>
> There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
> imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
That's called a "cycle of violence" and while it may make you feel
better to see humans treated as animals - it does nothing to quell the
violence.
Gattman
"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
news:tYori.42192$Um6....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>> There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
>> imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
>
> That's called a "cycle of violence" and while it may make you feel better
> to see humans treated as animals - it does nothing to quell the violence.
You didn't watch the video, smacktard. If you want to see "humans treated
as animals" try 40 minutes of bound, gagged civilians being hacked to pieces
in the street by masked goons while other citizens including children look
on.
Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known ties
to terrorism is worse than using machetes to sever the heads of bound
victims on a public road. Thanks for clearing that up, Kaufman. There's no
"cycle of violence" involved with executing hostages or butchering live,
screaming victims in the street on Planet Kaufman is there?
-c
Gattman
> In fact, the US has proved that it is QUITE capable of turning ordinary
> people into terrorists.
That's like saying Canadians or jews are responsible for turning ordinary
people into rapists.
It's fucking stupid.
-c
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> This ain't the crap you see on Fox, CNN or , conversely, on whatever liberal
> anti-war rag some of you people seem to think is telling you the truth about
> terrorism.
> There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
> imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
And, of course, we've got the dubya's word on it that all the people who
died or were imprisoned at Gitmo were just like that. Guess we'll just
have to trust 'im that these are the "worst of the worst".
But then one wonders why over 300 of the Guantanamo internees have been
released.
Or why not a single one has been even tried, much less convicted.
We don't, I suppose, need to address those who've been killed as
"collateral damage" or by misdirected "smart weapons" which, for
instance, blasted a wedding party rather than the "meeting of senior al
Qaeda operatatives" they thought they were targeting.
That the bad guys are bad guys is beyond dispute.
There remains some considerable question as to whether those folks we
are "getting" are, in fact, bad guys.
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
> news:tYori.42192$Um6....@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>>>There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
>>>imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
>>That's called a "cycle of violence" and while it may make you feel better
>>to see humans treated as animals - it does nothing to quell the violence.
> You didn't watch the video, smacktard. If you want to see "humans treated
> as animals" try 40 minutes of bound, gagged civilians being hacked to pieces
> in the street by masked goons while other citizens including children look
> on.
> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known ties
> to terrorism
"Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
> is worse than using machetes to sever the heads of bound
> victims on a public road. Thanks for clearing that up, Kaufman. There's no
> "cycle of violence" involved with executing hostages or butchering live,
> screaming victims in the street on Planet Kaufman is there?
So anything the dubya regime wants to do is just ok as long as we can
find at least one instance when the bad guys did something worse?
Jeezus, chris. You're much smarter than that.
Peace and justice,
Paul Mitchum
> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
> > AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
> > recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
> > release.
You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
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Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>>> There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
>>> imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
>> That's called a "cycle of violence" and while it may make you feel better
>> to see humans treated as animals - it does nothing to quell the violence.
>
> You didn't watch the video, smacktard. If you want to see "humans treated
> as animals" try 40 minutes of bound, gagged civilians being hacked to pieces
> in the street by masked goons while other citizens including children look
> on.
Gosh - I wonder what would drive a person to such a state. He's so
insanely violent - almost as if he had himself been beaten and tortured
to the point where any semblance of humanity was driven out of him.
> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known ties
> to terrorism is worse than using machetes to sever the heads of bound
> victims on a public road.
The US soldiers did far more than simply throw him in a cage to turn him
into such a monster.
Sanders Kaufman
> Gattman wrote:
>> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known
>> ties to terrorism
>
> "Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
No shit. We ALL have "possible" ties to terrorism - especially the
church-goers among us.
> Jeezus, chris. You're much smarter than that.
It's not a matter of intelligence, but rather of character.
SMITH29
>> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>
>>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
>>> release.
>
> You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
>
I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and shoot
'em".
Don't detain them at all.
We could close Gitmo and remove yet another whine from the terrorist
civil rights supporters.
Save money too.
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Gattman
"Bill Shatzer" <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>> There are no excuses. Every one of these so-called people who dies or is
>> imprisoned at someplace like Gitmo deserves worse.
>
> And, of course, we've got the dubya's word on it that all the people who
> died or were imprisoned at Gitmo were just like that.
I disagree with that entirely. I don't think that they were all justifiably
imprisoned. My point is that the world is filled with ex-POWs,
concentration camp survivors, etc who were mistreated and abused just as
hard or harder (Bataan Death March, for example).
They did not ever use it as an excuse--nor would one have been accepted--to
kidnap people, bind them, gag them and then hack their heads off in public
in the name of God.
Ever. Not Stalag XVII, not the Hanoi Hilton, or Dachau, not Andersonville.
> That the bad guys are bad guys is beyond dispute.
Apparently not. See, we have a whole bunch of people out here who think
that what happened at Guantanamo or even Abu Ghraib "caused" the kind of
diabolical violence that is demonstrated in abundance on the video at
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
-c
Gattman
>> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known
>> ties to terrorism
>
> "Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
Yep. And if I'm wrongly imprisoned for it I can't run out and murder
innocent people in the street while their kids watch and then blame the
government.
>>There's no "cycle of violence" involved with executing hostages or
>>butchering live, screaming victims in the street on Planet Kaufman is
>>there?
> So anything the dubya regime wants to do is just ok as long as we can find
> at least one instance when the bad guys did something worse?
Where in hell did I say that?! I'm looking at the subject, I'm looking at
a bunch of terrorist websites I just shut down, I'm preparing material for a
visit by the FBI scheduled for tomorrow, and I just don't see anything that
suggests that Gitmo is any more "terrorist training" than all of the
Jihadist how-to sites out there, even if you're wrongfully imprisoned there.
That's my point.
-c
Bokonon
"Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning 30 of
> the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism.
If they were guilty - then why were they released?
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> "Bill Shatzer" <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:U-KdnU4PzIlv0jPb...@comcast.com...
[..]
> > So anything the dubya regime wants to do is just ok as long as we can
> > find at least one instance when the bad guys did something worse?
>
> Where in hell did I say that?! I'm looking at the subject, I'm looking
> at a bunch of terrorist websites I just shut down, I'm preparing material
> for a visit by the FBI scheduled for tomorrow, and I just don't see
> anything that suggests that Gitmo is any more "terrorist training" than
> all of the Jihadist how-to sites out there, even if you're wrongfully
> imprisoned there. That's my point.
If you were wrongly imprisoned for three years by a country, you'd tend
to develop a hatred for that country, wouldn't you?
They finally release you, and you head back home, and guess what?
There's some guys who say they want to fight the country that imprisoned
you. You'd join up. It only makes sense.
And it only makes sense to say that, as long as we have
illegal/extralegal prisons and torture gulags, that the victims of these
institutions will fight us once they're freed.
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Gattman
>
>> Jeezus, chris. You're much smarter than that.
>
> It's not a matter of intelligence, but rather of character.
LOL! One significant difference between you and me, fathead, is that due to
my line of work I just brought down about a dozen jihadist websites and
instructional videos today, and the FBI is coming in tomorrow so I can help
them investigate the domestic source.
At this point, Kaufman, while you're trashtalking my "character", I'm
shutting down terrorist information sites. I suspect that bothers you
considerably. You're one of those jackasses who says "If you support the
war, go fight it."
Now, why don't you tell everybody here all about character?
-c
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"Gattman" <ga...@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bill Shatzer" <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:U-KdnU4PzIlv0jPb...@comcast.com...
>
>>> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or known
>>> ties to terrorism
>>
>> "Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
>
> Yep. And if I'm wrongly imprisoned for it I can't run out and murder
> innocent people in the street while their kids watch and then blame the
> government.
Nor can you get a hearing before a judge or even a lawyer to plead your case
that you are wrongly imprisoned. Or do you subscribe to the postition that
a thousand innocents should be imprisoned lest one guilty go free?
Sanders Kaufman
> And it only makes sense to say that, as long as we have
> illegal/extralegal prisons and torture gulags, that the victims of these
> institutions will fight us once they're freed.
And worse yet, we would deserve it... if we did those kinds of things.
Gattman
>> You didn't watch the video, smacktard. If you want to see "humans
>> treated as animals" try 40 minutes of bound, gagged civilians >>being
>> hacked to pieces in the street by masked goons while other citizens
>> including children look on.
>
> Gosh - I wonder what would drive a person to such a state. He's so
> insanely violent - almost as if he had himself been beaten and tortured to
> the point where any semblance of humanity was driven out of him.
Yeah, like all the survivors of Auschwitz, Dachau, Mauthausen, Bataan,
Stalag XVII, Andersonville. That's what the freed slaves did in Texas,
too, huh? After being dehumanized and beaten and tortured... why, they
went right out, kidnapped perfectly innocent people and then chopped them up
alive out on the street to terrorize the neighborhood. That's what they
did, huh, Kaufman? Oh...wait...no they didn't. I'd bet long odds that
all those holocaust survivors out there never abducted a civilian and sawed
his head off alive in front of his family and community.
> The US soldiers did far more than simply throw him in a cage to turn him
> into such a monster.
There it is, Shatzer. See? America is responsible.
Only in your fucked up fantasies, Kaufman. I've have to look at videos of
what terrorists do to men, women and children in the course of my job. I
goddamn guarantee you haven't, and you don't know jack shit about what
happens at Gitmo, either except what your terrorist heroes want you to
believe. You don't know what you're even talking about. You can
swiftboat my "character" all you want. It means nothing.
It's time to grow up and be a man, Bucky. I'm sure ALL of these people were
detained and tortured at Gitmo, which is why they're glorifying mass murder,
torture and terrorism:
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv At 13:27
you can watch them shoot a blindfolded man through the head and then watch
blood bubble from his lips as some fucking ghoul with a video camera leans
forward to catch his last words. Immediately after, you can watch another
beheading. And another. And another. And a few more. Oh, lookie! Mass
execution at 15:10. By Gitmo victims, no doubt.
Isn't the soundtrack beautiful, Kaufman? It's like all those Nazi
propaganda videos from that time when the Jews persecuted the Nazis so much
they had to go out and kill Anne Frank... you fucking nutjob.
-c
Gattman
"Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
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>> > AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>> > recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
>> > release.
>
> You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
Were all of these guys?
http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
Gattman
"SMITH29" <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and shoot
> 'em".
> Don't detain them at all.
They should definately be detained, and given comfortable rooms, furntiture,
reading material, great meals, plenty of room to grow gardens or undertake
hobbies.
...in case they're innocent. When we find out they're not, let the games
begin.
-c
Sanders Kaufman
> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:3Yfri.381459$p47.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>> Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning 30 of
>> the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism.
>
> If they were guilty - then why were they released?
Because it is not the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a crime.
Gattman
"Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>
> If you were wrongly imprisoned for three years by a country, you'd tend
> to develop a hatred for that country, wouldn't you?
My grandfather was tortured by the Gestapo, imprisoned, starved, forced
march near to death and left to die next to a shrivelled up jew who'd just
had his brains blown all over the snow.
Funny thing is, he didn't run home and saw people's heads off. Not even
actual GERMANS. Pappy Boyington was tortured by the Japanese, and guess
what... John McCain was tortured by the North Vietnamese and guess what...
Frederick Fucking Douglass was enslaved by white men, and guess what...
> They finally release you, and you head back home, and guess what?
What?
> There's some guys who say they want to fight the country that imprisoned
> you. You'd join up. It only makes sense.
Please see the video link I forwarded to you. If you want, you can skip to
about minute 12. It's pretty much rock and roll from there.
-c
Gattman
"Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:13astog...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Yep. And if I'm wrongly imprisoned for it I can't run out and murder
>> innocent people in the street while their kids watch and then blame the
>> government.
>
> Nor can you get a hearing before a judge or even a lawyer to plead your
> case that you are wrongly imprisoned. Or do you subscribe to the
> postition that a thousand innocents should be imprisoned lest one guilty
> go free?
Nope.
But my false imprisonment doesn't justify a single minute of the video I
can't seem to get people here to courage-up enough to watch. It's actual
jihadist video from self-proclaimed and verified jihadist sources, by the
way, and not friggin' Fox news.
-c
Al
Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> Alohacyberian wrote:
>
> > AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or recaptured
> > after taking up arms against allied forces following their release.
>
> Yeah - there's no better motivation for a man to become a terrorist
> against the US but to lock him up in Gitmo for a few years - except
> maybe to lock his family up there.
That would be to risky for the little boys.
Sanders Kaufman
> At this point, Kaufman, while you're trashtalking my "character", I'm
> shutting down terrorist information sites. I suspect that bothers you
> considerably. You're one of those jackasses who says "If you support the
> war, go fight it."
No - you're just harassing folks on the web - just like you always have.
You're just garden variety web-predator - impotent but with delusions of
granduer.
In your defense, there's a LOT of chicken-shits out there who want
desperately to feel a part of the War Against Islam, but too afraid to
take up arms. So you anonymously harass folks on the web to vent your
frustration.
It's a cowardly way to live - but then again, y'all anti-Muslim types
are a cowardly lot!
Paul Mitchum
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
> news:zatri.76$3x...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>
> >> You didn't watch the video, smacktard. If you want to see "humans
> >> treated as animals" try 40 minutes of bound, gagged civilians >>being
> >> hacked to pieces in the street by masked goons while other citizens
> >> including children look on.
> >
> > Gosh - I wonder what would drive a person to such a state. He's so
> > insanely violent - almost as if he had himself been beaten and tortured
> > to the point where any semblance of humanity was driven out of him.
>
> Yeah, like all the survivors of Auschwitz, Dachau, Mauthausen, Bataan,
> Stalag XVII, Andersonville. That's what the freed slaves did in Texas,
> too, huh? After being dehumanized and beaten and tortured... why, they
> went right out, kidnapped perfectly innocent people and then chopped them
> up alive out on the street to terrorize the neighborhood. That's what
> they did, huh, Kaufman? Oh...wait...no they didn't. I'd bet long odds
> that all those holocaust survivors out there never abducted a civilian and
> sawed his head off alive in front of his family and community. [..]
I can appreciate your passion about this, but you're really getting
wound up over this one video.
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Paul Mitchum
Sure it is. It's the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
crime. That's why Gatt's going to aid the FBI, and it's why Jose Padilla
was eventually charged with a crime.
It's pretty fucking stupid to say that terrorism isn't criminal, because
when you do, it means the charge is more important than the facts of the
matter.
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I don't know, and neither do you.
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Gattman
>> If they were guilty - then why were they released?
>
> Because it is not the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
> crime.
I could SWEAR this numbskull was just ranting about Gitmo.
I could SWEAR Timothy McVeigh was executed for terrorism.
-c
Paul Mitchum
Dude: The article that started this thread is about detainees released
and subsequently found fighting against the US. This thing about the
video is off base, unless you want to tell me that it was detainees.
The point here is not that it's right to do what's in that video. The
point is that it makes perfect sense that regardless how dangerous those
guys were when they were 'detained,' they'd be pissed and ready to do
damage when they got out. That's part of why it's wrong to 'detain'
hundreds of people for three years.
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Personally, I've seen enough maiming and killing for one day. Which is
to say: None.
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Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>> The US soldiers did far more than simply throw him in a cage to turn him
>> into such a monster.
>
> There it is, Shatzer. See? America is responsible.
Why do you keep referring to the uniformed terrorists as "America"?
Are you really so stupid as to think that Americans are of ONE mind
about this?
> I've have to look at videos of
> what terrorists do to men, women and children in the course of my job.
Yeah - we all saw the Abu Ghraib photos.
If you're working to stop that kind of thing, then GOD bless you.
Gattman
> No - you're just harassing folks on the web -
You have no idea what I do, what I've done or what I'm doing. Stop
pretending like you do.
> just like you always have.
See above and stop lying every single time you post something here.
> It's a cowardly way to live - but then again, y'all anti-Muslim types are
> a cowardly lot!
*yawn* You've been waving that dumb little flag for a long time,
shitstain, but you still aren't doing anything about anything yourself, are
you?
You're a usenet know-it-all just like anybody else here; the difference
is, exactly one of us has an appointment with the FBI tomorrow about
domestic terror activity that hasn't even been mentioned here. So I'm a
little curious how it is you think you know what it is you know. I'll be
glad to send them your way if you've got something, except you're a
do-nothing pissant and they have work to do.
-c
Sanders Kaufman
> Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> Because it is not the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
>> crime.
>
> Sure it is. It's the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
> crime. That's why Gatt's going to aid the FBI, and it's why Jose Padilla
> was eventually charged with a crime.
Over a thousand have been kidnapped and tortured, without trial or
counsel - and you can name only TWO who have faced criminal charges.
And on that, you base your incorrect assumption that the US treats
terrorism as a crime?
That particular form of dishonesty is called "citing the exception as
the rule". It's a great way of tricking people who are predisposed to
believing your lies, into believing your lies - but it really only works
on the stupid and the insane.
I see that kind of irrational thinking a lot from the emerging crop of
heroin junkies, here in Dallas.
One girl in particular comes to mind. She told me that shooting heroin
is OK, because sometimes the trip is good - although, for her, most
times it was not.
Like you - she cited the exception as the rule.
> It's pretty fucking stupid to say that terrorism isn't criminal, because
> when you do, it means the charge is more important than the facts of the
> matter.
I never said it wasn't criminal. I said that it's "not the US
government's policy to treat terrorism as a crime".
I wish to GOD that the US would treat terrorism as a crime - because
that's what it is, and that's the only way to deal with the criminals
effectively.
Wouldn't that be great - if instead of torturing them for a few years
and then releasing them, we were to lock them up for a couple of decades
or execute them?
Man - that would be soooo cool.
Sanders Kaufman
>
> My grandfather was tortured by the Gestapo, imprisoned, starved, forced
> march near to death and left to die next to a shrivelled up jew who'd just
> had his brains blown all over the snow.
And now - you support doing the same thing to Muslims.
It's a vicious cycle that you perpetuate.
> Funny thing is, he didn't run home and saw people's heads off.
No - he just raised his grandkids to believe in that kind of stuff.
Sanders Kaufman
> But my false imprisonment doesn't justify a single minute of the video I
> can't seem to get people here to courage-up enough to watch.
You haven't been imprisoned. I understand that impotent little web
predators such as yourself like to PLAY the victim - but it's just not so.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>> It's a cowardly way to live - but then again, y'all anti-Muslim types are
>> a cowardly lot!
>
> *yawn* You've been waving that dumb little flag for a long time,
> shitstain, but you still aren't doing anything about anything yourself, are
> you?
You mean - calling the cops on every Muslim that scares me?
No - but then again, Muslims don't really scare me.
I was raised better than that.
Gattman
"Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> I can appreciate your passion about this, but you're really getting wound
> up over this one video.
Sorry. No, it's not that one video, that's just the sample I've giving you.
It's not the stuff the Feds are calling about and I wouldn't send you to the
others right before a federal investigation.
(Well, I might send Kaufman. ;> )
Am I wound up? Yep. There's no justification in the world--let alone one
allegedly created by a peaceful and loving God--for the kind of things you
can see on that one video alone. The insinuation that somebody else is
responsible for their actions suggests that people who are wrongly
imprisoned or are tortured anywhere are justified in going out and
inflicting unspeakable cruelty on families who had absolutely NO
relationship to the issue at all.
It's impossible for me to look at an middle-eastern man sawing the head off
of an Iraqi boy, or shooting a bunch of teenagers, or declaring jihad
against Israel...and blame it on Gitmo, China, Russia, the Romans, the
Crusaders, God, Israel, Allah or anybody else. It's intolerable to suggest
that imprisonment is the cause of torture and murder of -completely-
innocent people in their own Iraq neighborhood.
-c
Gattman
>>> The US soldiers did far more than simply throw him in a cage to turn him
>>> into such a monster.
>>
>> There it is, Shatzer. See? America is responsible.
>
> Why do you keep referring to the uniformed terrorists as "America"?
There it is, Shatzer.
> Yeah - we all saw the Abu Ghraib photos.
Did you see any teenage boys bound, lined up and shot in the street in any
of your little Abu Ghraib fantasies, Kaufman? Or does some GI skank and
her boyfriend posing with naked prisoners equate to public mass murder?
Don't answer. You give the shreiking neocon redneck fundamentalists out
here credibility.
I knew you wouldn't watch the video. You lack the courage and intellectual
honesty.
*plonk*
-c
SMITH29
THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed and
we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and any other non
Muslim. We keep them because we don't feel right shooting them outright.
We are humanitarians dealing with heathens.
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Gattman
"Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> Dude: The article that started this thread is about detainees released
> and subsequently found fighting against the US. This thing about the
> video is off base, unless you want to tell me that it was detainees.
Well, who do people think we're fighting? The Peace Corps? The ones that
come out, pick up rifles and shoot at us...well...they're the enemy. That's
sort of what they do. If Japan had released a bunch of US GIs before 1945
I'd bet fair money that a bunch of 'em would salute the next B-29 to Tokyo.
But they sure wouldn't come home to murder other Americans in the street.
It's abundantly and unforgettably clear to anybody who bothers to look what
kind of assholes we're trying to exterminate.
Our enemy is the jihadists, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, the terrorists. That is
abundantly clear to anybody with enough balls to put down the goddamn Cindy
Sheehan rhetoric and figure out that they'll kill you for being not them,
not because they were sent to Gitmo.
> The point here is not that it's right to do what's in that video. The
> point is that it makes perfect sense that regardless how dangerous those
> guys were when they were 'detained,' they'd be pissed and ready to do
> damage when they got out. That's part of why it's wrong to 'detain'
> hundreds of people for three years.
If you're gonna put it that way, I'd say, rather, that it's wrong to let
them out. If they're dangerous when they're 'detained' then why the hell
aren't they being released in the first place. I'll tell you one thing:
It ain't the goddamn Republicans demanding that they be turned loose, is it?
-c
Gattman
"Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
>> But my false imprisonment doesn't justify a single minute of the video I
>> can't seem to get people here to courage-up enough to watch. It's actual
>> jihadist video from self-proclaimed and verified jihadist sources, by the
>> way, and not friggin' Fox news.
>
> Personally, I've seen enough maiming and killing for one day. Which is
> to say: None.
I don't fault you for that, but it's a startling useful sense of perspective
I guess the term armchair-terrorist-defenders might apply to some. (Not
all.)
If somebody is going to attempt to portray the enemy in some sort of light,
I think it's useful to see how the enemy chooses to portray itself. One way
to do that is to show hostages getting their heads hacked off by groups of
armed men in black masks or being executed in public like it's friggin'
Berlin in 1940. That's how the jihadists portray -themselves-, with flags,
beautifully-rendered musical scores and lots of images of guys proudly
hiding behind their masks and machine guns while executing innocent people.
Why are there people here trying to apologize for, justify or switch the
blame?
Why?
-c
Gattman
> THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed and we
> have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
Unfortunately, thanks to the "stunts at Abu Ghraib" (quoting a Marine
veteran of the Anbar province), the ROE are now such that if they're NOT
caught red-handed, a lot of times they'll never make it into the back of a
vehicle let alone a detention facility.
A friend of mine who is a commander of an M1A1 tank platoon says he's not
allowed to return fire from if they take small arms fire because of the ROE.
IE, they hear bullets pinging off the tank and they lose their head if they
poke it out, but they can't return fire with their main gun on a known
shooter position because the main gun is too powerful. Gotta send in the
grunts or Humvees to get shot at first.
Your war as conceived and conducted by the Pentagon. (The Marines, OTOH,
have a simply philosophy. If you threaten them at all they are authorized
to return with overwhelmingly superior firepower.)
> Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and any other non
> Muslim.
Oh, I disagree just a little: They're perfectly happy killing other
Muslims, too.
We need to end this war because, just like in 1970, our people can't win it
the way they're being told to fight it by people who aren't fighting it all.
-c
Don Homuth
wrote:
>THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed and
>we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
Most of them were Not caught in the act or red-handed by troops.
>Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and any other non
>Muslim.
After several years of incarceration incommunicado, I'd be a tad
fromaged as well.
>We keep them because we don't feel right shooting them outright.
If they are criminals, then try them.
>We are humanitarians dealing with heathens.
Console yourself as you will. But it only serves to make You feel
better. It doesn't really deal with anything else.
Scratch
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> "Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
>
>> is worse than using machetes to sever the heads of bound
>> victims on a public road. Thanks for clearing that up, Kaufman.
>> There's no "cycle of violence" involved with executing hostages or
>> butchering live, screaming victims in the street on Planet Kaufman is
>> there?
>
> So anything the dubya regime wants to do is just ok as long as we can
> find at least one instance when the bad guys did something worse?
>
> Jeezus, chris. You're much smarter than that.
>
> Peace and justice,
What happen? Gatt stray off the liberal funny farm again. Get him back
on another note, your right gatt and it's pure crap. To even treat these
butchers as human demans the very meaning. To this day I will never
forget how an amulance attendent in Israel was holing a little two year
old girl in his arms that had just been murdered by this kind of scum and
the butchers were laughing about it. Sick, really, really sick.
Sanders Kaufman
> "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
>> Yeah - we all saw the Abu Ghraib photos.
>
> Did you see any teenage boys bound, lined up and shot in the street in any
> of your little Abu Ghraib fantasies, Kaufman?
Do you *honestly* think the Abu Ghraib horrors were just my little fantasy?
No - of course you don't. That was just something you said in a fit of
hysteria.
I genuinely enjoy discussing the issues of the day with even the most
rabidly opposed to my point of view.
But when you just get hysterical and start throwing crap like that out,
it's not fun.
I remember back when you and your buddies downloaded my resume and
called all my past employers and told them I was a terrorist. You're a
psycho - and I'm done with you.
-PLONK-
Paul Mitchum
> Paul Mitchum wrote:
> > Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> >> Because it is not the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
> >> crime.
> >
> > Sure it is. It's the US government's policy to treat terrorism as a
> > crime. That's why Gatt's going to aid the FBI, and it's why Jose Padilla
> > was eventually charged with a crime.
>
> Over a thousand have been kidnapped and tortured, without trial or
> counsel - and you can name only TWO who have faced criminal charges.
>
> And on that, you base your incorrect assumption that the US treats
> terrorism as a crime?
>
> That particular form of dishonesty is called "citing the exception as
> the rule".
Sander, *your* particular form of dishonesty is called 'erecting a
strawman,' because that is not what I have done. It's what you imagine
I'd do if I held the opinion you seem to think I hold.
> It's a great way of tricking people who are predisposed to believing your
> lies, into believing your lies - but it really only works on the stupid
> and the insane. [..]
Whatever.
You really have no desire to talk about anything of substance, do you?
You just want to vent about the sorry state of affairs in our nation.
And that's fine. But just try not to make too much of an ass out of
yourself in the process, OK?
Here, I'll try to address the substance of what you're saying: It *is*
the US policy to treat terrorism as a crime. That's part of why BushCo
is an idiot for indefinitely imprisoning people -- even if they're
motherfuckers of the highest order -- in an offshore extralegal prison
without charge, in *CUBA* for fuck's sake.
Here in the US, terrorism is *criminal activity.* Bombing an abortion
clinic is criminal terrorism, for instance. You can be charged and sent
to prison for doing it.
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> "Gattman" <ga...@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Bill Shatzer" <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:U-KdnU4PzIlv0jPb...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>> Apparently throwing somebody in a cage with possible, likely or
>>>> known ties to terrorism
>>>
>>> "Possible ties"? Shit, son, YOU have "possible ties" to terrorism!
>>
>> Yep. And if I'm wrongly imprisoned for it I can't run out and murder
>> innocent people in the street while their kids watch and then blame
>> the government.
>
> Nor can you get a hearing before a judge or even a lawyer to plead
> your case that you are wrongly imprisoned. Or do you subscribe to the
> postition that a thousand innocents should be imprisoned lest one
> guilty go free?
>
>
>
yea, they are all innocent. Thats what the Marines did. Went and round up
a whole bunch of innocent muslims because it was eaiser then fighting
them.
Your a nut BS, a real friggin nut.
Scratch
this guy kaufaman really is whack! My lord to thing that Abu Ghraib in
anyway compares to what the monsters do.....
You really need to seek help BADLY kaufman.
Sanders Kaufman
> After several years of incarceration incommunicado, I'd be a tad
> fromaged as well.
Fromaged - hehehe.
> If they are criminals, then try them.
There is precedent for this kind of trial.
The Christians would torture the accused until they confessed or died.
If they died, it proved their innocence. But if they survived, it
proved they were guilty - so they were executed.
Of course - that was back before we fully understood the virtue of
separating church from state.
Scratch
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> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>>> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>>
>>>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>>>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
>>>> release.
>>
>> You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
>>
> xxxx
> I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and shoot
> 'em".
> Don't detain them at all.
> We could close Gitmo and remove yet another whine from the terrorist
> civil rights supporters.
> Save money too.
>
> 29
>
I propose shooting every single one of them so we don't have this bleeding
heart problem. Or, we could exchange prisoners with those in AQ prisons,
right?
Paul Mitchum
> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> news:1i22r4l.1gsl1xe1vw4lfgN%use...@mile23.c0m...
>
> >> But my false imprisonment doesn't justify a single minute of the video
> >> I can't seem to get people here to courage-up enough to watch. It's
> >> actual jihadist video from self-proclaimed and verified jihadist
> >> sources, by the way, and not friggin' Fox news.
> >
> > Personally, I've seen enough maiming and killing for one day. Which is
> > to say: None.
>
> I don't fault you for that, but it's a startling useful sense of
> perspective [..]
I don't want to be a jerk here, but judging by what you're saying, I'd
say it's not useful for that purpose at all.
Keep in mind: That video is agitprop. It's *supposed* to fill you with
rage. That's what it's there for.
You also seem a little rattled by whatever this thing is you're talking
about. My unsolicited advice: Stay away from usenet for a while. Talk to
real people about it.
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>
> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:3Yfri.381459$p47.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>> Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning
>> 30 of the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism.
>
> If they were guilty - then why were they released?
>
Ask the bleeding heart crybabies that want to blame America.
Paul Mitchum
> SMITH29 <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in news:UKedneNvyNNf-
> jPbnZ2dnU...@comcast.com:
>
> > Paul Mitchum wrote:
> >>> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
> >>> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> >>>
> >>>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
> >>>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
> >>>> release.
> >>
> >> You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
> >>
> > xxxx
> > I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and shoot
> > 'em".
> > Don't detain them at all.
> > We could close Gitmo and remove yet another whine from the terrorist
> > civil rights supporters.
> > Save money too.
>
> I propose shooting every single one of them so we don't have this bleeding
> heart problem. Or, we could exchange prisoners with those in AQ prisons,
> right?
H-yuck! Scratch got to talk about killin' peoples! Kewl!
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@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
> I see that kind of irrational thinking a lot from the emerging crop of
> heroin junkies, here in Dallas.
can't you move your camper to a diffent location?
Sanders Kaufman
> You really have no desire to talk about anything of substance, do you?
> You just want to vent about the sorry state of affairs in our nation.
> And that's fine. But just try not to make too much of an ass out of
> yourself in the process, OK?
>
> Here, I'll try to address the substance of what you're saying:
Now THAT was weird.
You *start* by saying I have nothing of substance to talk about.
But then you *end* by addressing "the substance of" what I was saying.
Are you drunk - or religious?
> Here, I'll try to address the substance of what you're saying: It *is*
> the US policy to treat terrorism as a crime. That's part of why BushCo
> is an idiot for indefinitely imprisoning people -- even if they're
> motherfuckers of the highest order -- in an offshore extralegal prison
> without charge, in *CUBA* for fuck's sake.
So - you think that NOT having trials, NOT having access to Counsel and
NOT having evidence presented - that's how one treats something as a crime?
> Here in the US, terrorism is *criminal activity.* Bombing an abortion
> clinic is criminal terrorism, for instance. You can be charged and sent
> to prison for doing it.
That's true... for white Christians.
They do indeed enjoy a such a *preferred* status.
Speaking of which - did you see that Dallas police chase today?
When the well-dressed white guy was finally stopped, they just pulled
him out of the truck and cuffed him. Then they sat him up and talked to
him all nice like.
Man - he's lucky he had white skin!
SMITH29
> On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:01:13 -0700, SMITH29 <smi...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>> We keep them because we don't feel right shooting them outright.
>
> If they are criminals, then try them.
When we get this right nobody will be transported to any internment.
>
>> We are humanitarians dealing with heathens.
>
> Console yourself as you will.
Not necessary. I was already consoled. Roast beef rules.
But it only serves to make You feel
> better.
xxxx
No, I was perfect prior the post.
It doesn't really deal with anything else.
xxxx
It was under no obligation to do anything so I won.
Thanks for playing, Don.
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Paul Mitchum
> Paul Mitchum wrote:
>
> > You really have no desire to talk about anything of substance, do you?
> > You just want to vent about the sorry state of affairs in our nation.
> > And that's fine. But just try not to make too much of an ass out of
> > yourself in the process, OK?
> >
> > Here, I'll try to address the substance of what you're saying:
>
> Now THAT was weird.
> You *start* by saying I have nothing of substance to talk about.
No. I started by noting that you didn't *want* to talk about anything of
substance.
> But then you *end* by addressing "the substance of" what I was saying.
>
> Are you drunk - or religious? [..]
See above.
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Yeah, Bokonon! Don't you know anything? It's America's liberals that
have stabbed America in the back! THEY're the ones who freed the
terrorists! It was a regular Freedom Train back to Jihadistan, enabled
by the A-C-L-godammn-U! If those liberals hadn't been around, Bush would
have kept those terrorists behind bars where they belong, but Bush was
POWERLESS AGAINST THEM! And what did those liberals do with this
LIMITLESS POWER over the ENTIRE GOVERNMENT including GEORGE W. BUSH by
insting on that rule-of-law thing?? They stabbed America in the back!
Just like the Jews in Germany... Er, wait, no, not like that at all.
Well, kinda like that. But not really. But kinda.
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It would seem there are those who no longer believe that along with
choice come cosequences. Be they good or bad consequences. In making a
choice it also involves responbsibility to make that choice. Can't have
one without the other.
SMITH29
Exchange? I don't think so.
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SMITH29
Let the Iraqi government deal with the bastards.
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Bill Shatzer
> Gattman wrote:
>> At this point, Kaufman, while you're trashtalking my "character", I'm
>> shutting down terrorist information sites. I suspect that bothers you
>> considerably. You're one of those jackasses who says "If you support
>> the war, go fight it."
> No - you're just harassing folks on the web - just like you always have.
> You're just garden variety web-predator - impotent but with delusions of
> granduer.
> In your defense, there's a LOT of chicken-shits out there who want
> desperately to feel a part of the War Against Islam, but too afraid to
> take up arms. So you anonymously harass folks on the web to vent your
> frustration.
> It's a cowardly way to live - but then again, y'all anti-Muslim types
> are a cowardly lot!
Chris has never made any secret of his identity and his real name is,
indeed, Gattman.
Given the address harvesters who sell email addresses to spammers, his
phonied up address is entirely understandable. I do that myself for
similar reasons.
Chris and I often disagree but he's neither anonymous nor a coward.
Peace and justice,
dangerman
You mean withdraw our soldiers? I agree!
Sanders Kaufman
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>> In your defense, there's a LOT of chicken-shits out there who want
>> desperately to feel a part of the War Against Islam, but too afraid to
>> take up arms. So you anonymously harass folks on the web to vent your
>> frustration.
>
>> It's a cowardly way to live - but then again, y'all anti-Muslim types
>> are a cowardly lot!
>
> Chris has never made any secret of his identity and his real name is,
> indeed, Gattman.
Yeah - sometimes when he posts here and is somewhat behaving, he posts
under his real name. And when he does things he should be ashamed of -
like trolling the web for folks to single out and harass, he has a whole
nother way of doing things.
I would have thought, after all these years, you'd have caught on to
that by now.
He says he hunts down web sites to take down - do you think he does that
under his own name? Of course not. He's a creep - but he's not an idiot.
I'd even venture to say he's probably been called "exceptionally bright"
by those who have had to evaluate him. All the best web predators are.
Sanders Kaufman
> Let the Iraqi government deal with the bastards.
Iraq doesn't have a government.
Bill Shatzer
> Gattman wrote:
>
>> "SMITH29" <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:UKedneNvyNNf-jPb...@comcast.com...
>>
>>> I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and
>>> shoot 'em".
>>> Don't detain them at all.
>>
>>
>> They should definately be detained, and given comfortable rooms,
>> furntiture, reading material, great meals, plenty of room to grow
>> gardens or undertake hobbies.
>>
>> ...in case they're innocent. When we find out they're not, let the
>> games begin.
> THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed
Or were sold to the Americans by tribal warlords eager for the reward or
just to settle old scores.
> and
> we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
Because, apparently, the dubya regime can't prove they are terrorists.
> Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and any other non
> Muslim.
'Bout three weeks of "aggresive interogation techniques" and you'd admit
to kidnapping Jimmy Hoffa. And would smile while you're doing so.
And "most" would imply that there is some significant number who don't
so admit. Why are THEY still interned?
> We keep them because we don't feel right shooting them outright.
Military courts martial certainly have the authority to impose the death
penalty in appropriate circumstances. Let's have the freakin' trials
and impose capital punishment on those found guilty of capital offenses.
Try the bastards and shoot 'em if they're convicted. But let's at least
dispense with this Through the Looking Glass procedure of, "Sentence
first, verdict afterwards!"
> We are humanitarians dealing with heathens.
Being a heathen has not been a criminal offense since the 14th century.
Although you seem intent on returning to those days of yesteryear.
Believe me, you'd not like it a bit.
Peace and justice,
dangerman
> Gattman wrote:
>> "SMITH29" <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:UKedneNvyNNf-jPb...@comcast.com...
>>
>>> I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and
>>> shoot 'em".
>>> Don't detain them at all.
>>
>> They should definately be detained, and given comfortable rooms,
>> furntiture, reading material, great meals, plenty of room to grow
>> gardens or undertake hobbies.
>>
>> ...in case they're innocent. When we find out they're not, let the
>> games begin.
>>
> xxxx
> THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed
Some are. Probably many, and these are the real prisoners of war. But
you well know the stories of people who were arrested because some
village elder said they were terrorists, or because they were simply in
Afghanistan.
> and
> we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
> Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and any other non
> Muslim.
The key phrase being "Most of them". The Constitution was designed to
protect the other people, outside your "most of them" set. That includes
you, but at the moment, you can, in violation of your rights and without
any recourse whatsoever, be sent to Guantanamo or sent to a foreign land
to be disappeared. Why do you think you won't be? Why do you think you
won't be seen as a terrorist? You are now on record advocating taking
people out and shooting them without trial. That's what terrorists do.
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> on another note, your right gatt and it's pure crap. To even treat these
> butchers as human demans the very meaning.
Shouldn't we have some evidence that they actually are "butchers" before
we start treating 'em as such?
Recall that Jose Padilla was the "dirty bomber" before he wasn't.
Peace and justice,
trippy
took the hamburger meat, threw it on the grill, and I said "Oh Wow"...
> Scratch wrote:
>
> -snip-
>
> > on another note, your right gatt and it's pure crap. To even treat these
> > butchers as human demans the very meaning.
>
> Shouldn't we have some evidence that they actually are "butchers" before
> we start treating 'em as such?
Yeah, but that hasn't stopped us at all.
>
> Recall that Jose Padilla was the "dirty bomber" before he wasn't.
>
> Peace and justice,
>
>
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> SMITH29 <smi...@comcast.net> wrote in news:UKedneNvyNNf-
> jPbnZ2dnU...@comcast.com:
>>Paul Mitchum wrote:
>>>>"Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>>>>news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>>>>AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>>>>>recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following their
>>>>>release.
>>>You would, too, if you'd been held for three years.
>>I think General Dreedle was right when he said " Take 'em out and shoot
>>'em".
>>Don't detain them at all.
>>We could close Gitmo and remove yet another whine from the terrorist
>>civil rights supporters.
>>Save money too.
> I propose shooting every single one of them so we don't have this bleeding
> heart problem. Or, we could exchange prisoners with those in AQ prisons,
> right?
Now on this one, you set the "reply to" button to only reply to
alt.politics - I had to add the or.politics by hand. The others I didn't
bother with on the theory that you're only reading or.politics.
Again, you're doing something funny with the "reply to" function on your
newsreader.
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
How would bleeding heart crybabies or anyone else know? It's classified
and the dubya regime won't tell anyone, not even United States
congressmen with full security clearances.
Better to ask the dubya regime. But they won't tell you either.
Peace and justice,
PS: This again was set by your newsreader as followups only to
alt.politics. I added or.politics and the other two by hand.
Scratch
Well drats, I don't know. maybe I'll go back to thunderbird in the
morning. I didn't have that probelem
In any case thanks for the help (Seriously)
Scratch
BOUTPbnZ2dn...@comcast.com:
ok, well I checked every box and then clicked on followup so if this
don't work I don't know what I have set wrong
Sanders Kaufman
> SMITH29 wrote:
>> and we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these terrorists.
>
> Because, apparently, the dubya regime can't prove they are terrorists.
Or don't want to.
Kennedy tried to use Cuban criminals to overthrow the legitimate
government of Cuba.
Bush and his fellow NeoChristians are trying to do the same with these
criminals and the Muslim nations.
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
Mon 30 Jul 2007 08:01:13p:
> THe internees are caught in the act by troops or caught red handed
> and we have no intention of trying to do a trial on these
> terrorists. Most of them admit they want to kill the Americans and
> any other non Muslim. We keep them because we don't feel right
> shooting them outright. We are humanitarians dealing with
> heathens. 29
Yeah, let's stop their religious bigotry by emphasizing our own.
That'll work.
Actually there's no "we" to it. You're just some anonymous little
right-wing coward posting on USENET.
If you're so strongly in favor of this administration's "war against
terror", and if you really are a man of principle and not some
bleating little self-important chickenhawk, enlist. Join the army and
fight them.
What's stopping you? "Other priorities"?
--
Rev. Bob "Bob" Crispen
revbob at crispen dot org
Ex Cathedra weblog: http://blog.crispen.org/
Scandinavia’s reign of terror was in trouble when people stopped
building thatched roof houses. It was over when somebody invented the
fire extinguisher. - Robert Michael Crispen
Alohacyberian
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I don't think the average Leftwing Liberal or pot-headed peacenik realizes
that the vast majority of people raped, tortured, maimed and slaughtered by
Muslim terrorists are other Muslims. American military losses have been a
tiny fraction of the casualties among Muslims. KM
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> SMITH29 wrote:
>> Gattman wrote:
>>> If you're gonna put it that way, I'd say, rather, that it's wrong to let
>>> them out. If they're dangerous when they're 'detained' then why the
>>> hell aren't they being released in the first place. I'll tell you one
>>> thing: It ain't the goddamn Republicans demanding that they be turned
>>> loose, is it?
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>> xxxx
>> Let the Iraqi government deal with the bastards.
>
> You mean withdraw our soldiers? I agree!
>
the Hussein Regime? Or are you naive enough to believe it won't happen
because Saddam has sailed to the big torture-chamber in the sky? KM
Alohacyberian
> "Scratch" <Larry_...@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
> news:Xns997D41D3...@216.196.97.136...
>
>> I love the part from the left, how they say I am against the war but
>> support the troops.
>
> Not all of them. The problem is when the message becomes sloganized.
>
> If any of you have the courage to view this video I think you might agrree
> that there's nothing the United States or anybody else could do to a human
> being to turn them into the monsters capable of doing and glorifying
> things such as this:
>
> http://ia331307.us.archive.org/2/items/tromenter/almoghad.wmv
>
> ****WARNING! EXCEPTIONALLY VIOLENT! ****
>
> This ain't the crap you see on Fox, CNN or , conversely, on whatever
> liberal anti-war rag some of you people seem to think is telling you the
> truth about terrorism.
>
I really wanted to watch this, but my security settings blocked the
download. KM
Alohacyberian
>
> Personally, I've seen enough maiming and killing for one day. Which is
> to say: None.
>
"Cowards die a thousand deaths...."
Alohacyberian
> Gattman <ga...@damnnearwiley00.com> wrote:
>>
>> Where in hell did I say that?! I'm looking at the subject, I'm looking
>> at a bunch of terrorist websites I just shut down, I'm preparing material
>> for a visit by the FBI scheduled for tomorrow, and I just don't see
>> anything that suggests that Gitmo is any more "terrorist training" than
>> all of the Jihadist how-to sites out there, even if you're wrongfully
>> imprisoned there. That's my point.
>
> If you were wrongly imprisoned for three years by a country, you'd tend
> to develop a hatred for that country, wouldn't you?
>
No, dearie, you're forgetting who we're talking about. A lot of these
detainees have never eaten so well, had such good medical attention, been so
well sheltered, slept on such comfortable beds, sat on such comfortable
furniture, had so many amenities at their disposal and learned such useful
exercises, etc. They hated the United States BEFORE they were rounded up.
Innocent angels don't hang around Al Qaeda training camps and they don't
carry flame-throwers and grenade launchers on their way to the dental
appointment they claim they were en route to. KM
Alohacyberian
news:Xns997D41D3...@216.196.97.136...
> news:3Yfri.381459$p47.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>> "Scratch" <Larry_...@lefites.aretraitors.nut> wrote in message
>>> "Alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>>> news:breri.9976$ax1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>>
>>>> AT LEAST 30 former Guantanamo Bay detainees have been killed or
>>>> recaptured after taking up arms against allied forces following
>>>> their release.
>>>
>>> wanting to get them back to the war zone quicker. They certainly are
>>> doing all they can for America's enemies.
>>
>> Yup. No doubt the Leftwingers were doing cartwheels after learning 30
>> of the guilty suspects were released to continue their terrorism.
>> actual number of guilty terrorists who have been released and returned
>> to terrorism. KM
>
> I love the part from the left, how they say I am against the war but
> kind of thing happens. AQ must be very happy that there are idiots like
> this working for the same things they are. Never know which side of a
> leftist face to talk to.
>
Well, both sides of a Leftists face are Left sides. Anyway, even more
common is for the Leftwing Liberal to spout, or should I say parrot the
phrase, "I'm against the war, but, I support the troops" and then in the
ensuing remarks, whether they be oral or written proceed to degrade,
denigrate, insult, criticize, slander and otherwise bad-mouth the very
troops they claim to support! Is this the height of dishonesty or are they
just plain nuts? KM
Alohacyberian
> "Baxter" <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote in
> news:13astog...@corp.supernews.com:
>> Or do you subscribe to the
>> postition that a thousand innocents should be imprisoned lest one
>> guilty go free?
>
> yea, they are all innocent. Thats what the Marines did. Went and round up
> a whole bunch of innocent muslims because it was eaiser then fighting
> them.
>
Yeah, innocent Muslims carrying Kalashnikov rifles, pipe bombs and other
explosives, flame throwers, grenade launchers and flame-throwers peacefully
sauntering to the market and enjoying a little target practice on human
beings (mostly Muslim) en route. KM
Alohacyberian
>
> It's impossible for me to look at an middle-eastern man sawing the head
> off of an Iraqi boy, or shooting a bunch of teenagers, or declaring jihad
> against Israel...and blame it on Gitmo, China, Russia, the Romans, the
> Crusaders, God, Israel, Allah or anybody else. It's intolerable to
> suggest that imprisonment is the cause of torture and murder
> of -completely- innocent people in their own Iraq neighborhood.
>
> -c
If a suicide bomber targeted and killed civilians in Oxford Street he would
be called a 'terrorist'; at a bus stop in Tel Aviv, a 'militant'; in
Baghdad, an 'insurgent'. Where is Orwell?
~ letter to _The Times_ [London], November, 2004
Alohacyberian
>
> It would seem there are those who no longer believe that along with
> choice come cosequences. Be they good or bad consequences. In making a
> choice it also involves responbsibility to make that choice. Can't have
> one without the other.
>
unphilosophy and its raison d'etre? To follow that path would make it
impossible to be amoral! What would happen to screeching victimhood? And
blaming anyone you don't like rather than those who are responsible? People
like Nancy Pelosi, Teddy Kennedy, Maureen Dowd, John Dean, Rosie O'Donnell,
John Kerry and Hillary Clinton would go up in a puff of smoke! No, on
second thought, smoke has substance, they'd go up in a puff of hot air. KM
Alohacyberian
> Sanders Kaufman <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in
> news:snvri.355$ox5...@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com:
>> Gattman wrote:
>>> I've have to look at videos of
>>> what terrorists do to men, women and children in the course of my
>>> job.
>>
>> Yeah - we all saw the Abu Ghraib photos.
>> If you're working to stop that kind of thing, then GOD bless you.
>
> this guy kaufaman really is whack! My lord to thing that Abu Ghraib in
> anyway compares to what the monsters do.....
>
> You really need to seek help BADLY kaufman.
>
One part of mental illness is the desire to remain insane and the
corresponding belief that it's everyone else who is unbalanced. KM
Alohacyberian
news:2lwri.53788$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>
> I genuinely enjoy discussing the issues of the day with even the most
> rabidly opposed to my point of view.
>
Bullshit. You're just a lonesome old crackpot who has no friends because of
his perennial pessimism and nattering negativity and you're willing to go to
any length and toss any type of bait just to get a tiny morsel of attention
by way of a response from anyone at any cost. You're just a monolithic,
tunnel-visioned, knee-jerk hate monger. You're a mentally deranged
America-hater who has not yet learned that there is only one kind of hatred
and that is self-hatred. Everything else is what psychiatrists and
psychologists call "projection". But, that's way too painful to face, isn't
it Sanders? Better to escape by bashing America until you become a
wild-eyed, breast-beating, teeth-gnashing, howling, obsessed fanatic. KM
"One wants to be loved; failing this, to be admired; failing this, to be
feared; failing even this, to be hated and despised. One wants to arouse
some sort of feeling in people. The soul shrinks from the void and wants
contact at any price."
~ Hjalmar Soderberg
Alohacyberian
news:2lwri.53788$5j1....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>> any of your little Abu Ghraib fantasies, Kaufman?
>
> Do you *honestly* think the Abu Ghraib horrors were just my little
> fantasy?
>
All of the Abu Graib "horrors" occurred while Saddam Hussein was still in
power. After the allied invasion, the so-called "horrors" were more
accurately portrayed as minor embarrassments, raucous razzing and attempts
to hurtums wittow feewings. KM
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
saying on Tue 31 Jul 2007 03:44:36a:
> All of the Abu Graib "horrors" occurred while Saddam Hussein was
> still in power. After the allied invasion, the so-called
> "horrors" were more accurately portrayed as minor embarrassments,
> raucous razzing and attempts to hurtums wittow feewings. KM
This is what the conservative right thinks about torture.
Remember that.
And remember that America's policy *against* torture started with
George Washington. And ended with this conservative Republican
President who was too weak and cowardly to dare to assert that
America still stands for something.
Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
> "Paul Mitchum" <use...@mile23.c0m> wrote in message
> news:1i22r4l.1gsl1xe1vw4lfgN%use...@mile23.c0m...
>>
>> Personally, I've seen enough maiming and killing for one day.
>> Which is to say: None.
>>
>
> "Cowards die a thousand deaths...."
Oh, now, you shouldn't go wishing bad things for the President (who
wandered off), the Vice-President (who had "other priorities"), and
the Young Republicans (none of whom are serving).
In fact, Alohacyberian, not to put too fine a point on it, are *you*
of military age?