Re: my name is tom potter, and i am a moron
Tom Potter
the point I was making in my previous post,
** considering that a banned poster can
set up a new account and even use his former handle, **
what Google achieves by banning a poster are:
1. They shut off access to the totality
of the views expressed in the poster's banned account
thus isolating a set of information
that the Google Management does not
want the public exposed to.
2. Google's smears the poster by implying that
they are flawed in some way, perhaps vulgar,
perhaps nuts, perhaps a terrorist, etc.
and makes it easy for the poster's opponents
to gang bang and smear the poster.
3. They deny the banned poster access to
information that is available to his opponents,
and make it impossible for the banned poster
to access data that supports his positions,
and negates the positions and smears
of the poster's opponents.
The bottom line is:
Google makes it easy for you to get the information
they want you to see,
and hard for you to get information
that opposes their race/religion/money/power agenda.
Google's actions remind me of the
Pig People in the science fiction story:
"To serve man".
--
Tom Potter
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Klaus Schadenfreude
>Just in case some folks don't comprehend
>the point I was making in my previous post,
>
>** considering that a banned poster can
>set up a new account and even use his former handle, **
>
>what Google achieves by banning a poster are:
>
>1. They shut off access to the totality
>of the views expressed in the poster's banned account
Which in your case, is a good thing.
Tom Potter
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:rjrjj5ljgsp3h9d18...@4ax.com...
It is interesting to see that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
believes that it is desirable for large organizations
such as Google, and governments to
"shut off access to the totality of the views expressed"
of folks who express facts and opinions
that the organizations and governments
do not want the public exposed to.
It appears that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
who seems to be a gun nut
does not comprehend that America's Founding Fathers
made FREE SPEECH the FIRST AMENDMENT
and the right to bear arms the SECOND AMENDMENT
because they understood that if free speech was honored
and maintained, it would not be necessary to
resort to ARMS to dispose of Governments
and organizations like Google
in order to impose the agenda of a few selfish people
upon the larger society.
--
Tom Potter
--
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http://tdp1001.wordpress.com/
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:rjrjj5ljgsp3h9d18...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Just in case some folks don't comprehend
>>>the point I was making in my previous post,
>>>
>>>** considering that a banned poster can
>>>set up a new account and even use his former handle, **
>>>
>>>what Google achieves by banning a poster are:
>>>
>>>1. They shut off access to the totality
>>>of the views expressed in the poster's banned account
>>
>> Which in your case, is a good thing.
>
>It is interesting to see that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
>believes that it is desirable for large organizations
>such as Google, and governments to
>"shut off access to the totality of the views expressed"
It is a good thing "Tom Potter" remembers that he agreed to abide by
Google's rules BEFORE he made a single posting, and that he realizes
that by breaking those rules, Google had every right to discontinue
his use of their system.
It is a good thing that Tom Potter realizes that he is still posting
his lies to usenet, without any interference from Google, and that he
was always free to do so.
>of folks who express facts and opinions
>that the organizations and governments
>do not want the public exposed to.
>
>It appears that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
>who seems to be a gun nut
>does not comprehend that America's Founding Fathers
>made FREE SPEECH the FIRST AMENDMENT
It would appear that "Tom Potter" does not understand the basic
concepts of freedom.
It would appear that "Tom Potter's" grasp of said concepts are so
child-like that he thinks that the Bill of Rights gives him the right
to lie, cheat, and steal.
It would appear "Tom Potter" would make a good leftist thug, if only
he knew enough to position himself into a position of power. Luckily,
his ignorance and naivety ensure that his demented voice will be lost
in a sea of noise.
Tom Potter
I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
who is a "center of influence"
and allows me to piggyback on his
world wide following,
as this will get my ideas and opinions
out of the "noise level".
--
Tom Potter
--
http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com/
http://tdp1001.wordpress.com/
http://tdp1001.spaces.live.com
http://www.tompotter.us/misc.html
http://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001
http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
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Klaus Schadenfreude
>I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
>who is a "center of influence"
>and allows me to piggyback on his
>world wide following,
>as this will get my ideas and opinions
>out of the "noise level".
Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
and pity.
_______
"...I don't like lying..."
-Tom Potter,
lying, as usual,
July 2009
tankfixer
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...
>
> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
> >who is a "center of influence"
> >and allows me to piggyback on his
> >world wide following,
> >as this will get my ideas and opinions
> >out of the "noise level".
>
> Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
> just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
> and pity.
Put Tom's ideas to good use..
Wipe your ass with them...
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I wonder of any psychologist has run across
a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
so that he could laugh at and pity them,
and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
that he tried to **create** misfortune,
and if he couldn't create misfortune,
he **fantasized** misfortune?
No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
I dare say that such a "schadenfreude"
would be all bent out of shape,
and it would drive him even more insane.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:kodpj5ppug918s5n2...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
>>>who is a "center of influence"
>>>and allows me to piggyback on his
>>>world wide following,
>>>as this will get my ideas and opinions
>>>out of the "noise level".
>>
>> Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
>> just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
>> and pity.
>> _______
>>
>> "...I don't like lying..."
>> -Tom Potter,
>> lying, as usual,
>> July 2009
>
>Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
>"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
>it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
>I wonder of any psychologist has run across
>a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
>so that he could laugh at and pity them,
I doubt it. But if they had, I'm sure they'd get a good laugh.
>and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
>where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
>that he tried to **create** misfortune,
>and if he couldn't create misfortune,
>he **fantasized** misfortune?
Are you trying to blame your psychoses on *me* now?
>No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
I think the person who imagines Jews everywhere out to get him would
be more likely suffering from a psychosis of some sort. Have you ever
talked to a professional about your paranoia and feelings of
inadequacy?
>I dare say that such a "schadenfreude"
>would be all bent out of shape,
>and it would drive him even more insane.
I dare say you don't have to be driven insane. You arrived quite some
time ago.
___________
"One of the Jews who bought an ambassadorship from Clinton,
also bought the grave site next to John Kennedy's at Arlington,"
-Tom Potter, ignoring the
fact that they don't sell
or prearrange grave sites
at the National Cemetery
Tom Potter
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25a6f6e...@news.bytemine.net...
I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
and in order to provide them with
"healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter, and pity"
I am attaching a URL that shows a video of my wife and I
at a New Years Eve party in Paris.
http://envoi3.cybercartes.com/envoivideoperso/16/31745633_31745634/////cvp/email/cartes-de-voeux
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.25a6f6e...@news.bytemine.net...
>> In article <kodpj5ppug918s5n2...@4ax.com>,
>> klausscha...@yahoo.com says...
>>>
>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
>>> >who is a "center of influence"
>>> >and allows me to piggyback on his
>>> >world wide following,
>>> >as this will get my ideas and opinions
>>> >out of the "noise level".
>>>
>>> Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
>>> just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
>>> and pity.
>>
>> Put Tom's ideas to good use..
>> Wipe your ass with them...
>
>I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
>and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
It pleases you?
Scout
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kodpj5ppug918s5n2...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
>>> who is a "center of influence"
>>> and allows me to piggyback on his
>>> world wide following,
>>> as this will get my ideas and opinions
>>> out of the "noise level".
>>
>> Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
>> just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
>> and pity.
>> _______
>>
>> "...I don't like lying..."
>> -Tom Potter,
>> lying, as usual,
>> July 2009
>
> Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
> "A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
> it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
Where as the definition of "Potter" is someone who plays with mud.
Seems you are another poster who is true to his name.
Particularly in your ability to throw mud.
tankfixer
xpriv...@mailinator.com says...> > [quoted text muted]
> >> and pity.
> >
> > Put Tom's ideas to good use..
> > Wipe your ass with them...
>
> I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
> and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
Some people have regular movements
>
> and in order to provide them with
> "healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter, and pity"
>
Actually all you provide is toilet paper..
Tom Potter
"Scout" <me4...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:NUp%m.577$ap2...@newsfe18.iad...
It is interesting to see that "Scout",
does not comprehend that a "potter"
transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
and even when fools and vandals
break the beautiful and useful things,
shards remain to tell the true stories
about the vandals and the "potters".
Perhaps that's why "potters' put their real names on their works,
and fools and vandals that destroy, do not.
It also appears that "Scout"
does not comprehend that "mudding" implies obscuring,
and posting historical facts from the Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta,
old newspapers. and first hand historical accounts
is clearing away the mud ( Spin ) that has been put on history
by the Mass Media and people who deceive for power and wealth.
Tom Potter
> In article <hhl2ni$v8m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>>
>> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25a6f6e...@news.bytemine.net...
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >> and pity.
>> >
>> > Put Tom's ideas to good use..
>> > Wipe your ass with them...
>>
>> I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
>> and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
>
> Some people have regular movements
Of course.
But exercise a little restraint
and try not have bowel movements in my threads,
as the stink tends to divert attention
away from matters of great concern to folks,
like the fact that Google has a race/religion bias,
and "cooks the books" on searches,
collects person information on users,
censors posters and posts that the Google Management
does not want the public exposed to,
is hijacking Usenet the last refuge of free speech on the planet, etc.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>like the fact that Google has a race/religion bias,
>and "cooks the books" on searches,
Everyone is still waiting for your facts backing up this accusation.
>collects person information on users,
As per the agreement. You agreed to it, dipshit.
>censors posters
You broke your agreement. You're not much of a man if you break your
word, are you?
Face it, you're just a whiney little child.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>It is interesting to see that "Scout",
>does not comprehend that a "potter"
>transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
cite one instance of this ever happening.
tankfixer
>
> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25a7d2a...@news.bytemine.net...
> > In article <hhl2ni$v8m$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
> >>
> >> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.25a6f6e...@news.bytemine.net...
> >> > [quoted text muted]
> >> >> and pity.
> >> >
> >> > Put Tom's ideas to good use..
> >> > Wipe your ass with them...
> >>
> >> I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
> >> and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
> >
> > Some people have regular movements
>
> Of course.
>
> But exercise a little restraint
> and try not have bowel movements in my threads,
Not in, on, your posts
>
> as the stink tends to divert attention
> away from matters of great concern to folks,
I do agree the stink of your pposts tends to cause folks great concern..
>
> like the fact that Google has a race/religion bias,
I've never seen any evidence of such.
> and "cooks the books" on searches,
Is that code for, it wont find the "truth" according to Tommy ?
> collects person information on users,
And probably gives it to the NSA ...
Notice any non-descript dark colored sedans hanging about the
neighborhood lately Tommy ?
> censors posters and posts that the Google Management
> does not want the public exposed to,
If you mean it won't allow you little Brown Shits to post all over the
landscape on what is their system you mught be right...
Did you know that since they own it they can decide who gets to use it ?
Don't like that fact ?
Start your own internet company..
> is hijacking Usenet the last refuge of free speech on the planet, etc.
Were that true then you should hide before the Google agents in the
white van come to take you away.. haha hoho hehe haha
Klaus Schadenfreude
>In article <hhnjv4$m09$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>> collects person information on users,
Google comes right out and tells everyone what they collect. Tom
agreed to this and now is trying to make us think that Google was
doing it without his express permission.
Privacy Center
Transparency and Choice
At Google, we are keenly aware of the trust you place in us and our
responsibility to protect your privacy. As part of this
responsibility, we let you know what information we collect when you
use our products and services, why we collect it and how we use it to
improve your experience.
It goes on to give great detail. I wonder if Tommy "forgot" that he,
as an adult, agreed to this?
>And probably gives it to the NSA ...
>Notice any non-descript dark colored sedans hanging about the
>neighborhood lately Tommy ?
He should be more worried about Simon Wiesenthal's boys.....
tankfixer
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...
Who is to say they arn't in those cars....
Kunt100
> "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.25a6f6e...@news.bytemine.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <kodpj5ppug918s5n2pcgqb6md2b2kic...@4ax.com>,
> > klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com says...
>
> >> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >> >I would like to thank my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude",
> >> >who is a "center of influence"
> >> >and allows me to piggyback on his
> >> >world wide following,
> >> >as this will get my ideas and opinions
> >> >out of the "noise level".
>
> >> Everyone needs a laugh, "Tom." Your ideas and opinions are treated
> >> just as they should be, with healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter,
> >> and pity.
>
> > Put Tom's ideas to good use..
> > Wipe your ass with them...
>
> I am pleased to see that my pals Paul Carrier, Justin Lewis,
> and klausschadenfreude are faithful readers of my posts,
>
> and in order to provide them with
> "healthy amounts of skepticism, laughter, and pity"
>
> I am attaching a URL that shows a video of my wife and I
> at a New Years Eve party in Paris.
>
>
> --
> Tom Potter
> --http://tdp1001.wiki.zoho.com/http://tdp1001.wordpress.com/http://tdp1001.spaces.live.comhttp://www.tompotter.us/misc.htmlhttp://webspace.webring.com/people/st/tdp1001http://notsocrazyideas.blogspot.com
> -----------------------------------------------
One of the people named had not even posted in this thread before the
time of your posting, you lying bigotted moronic hypocrite.
Scout
No, a craftsman can do that. You on the other hand just make pies and throw
it about.
Kind of like a 3 year old in a mud hole.
Tom Potter
for calling attention to how greedy, crooked people
bribe and use our politicians.
For details visit the following web sites.
Note that he likely got his money from dope running.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/ARLINGTON+SCANDAL%3B+SALE+OF+HALLOWED+GROUND+IS+VILE-a083895171
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/l/m_larry_lawrence/index.html
"Ambassador's Widow Sues Tabloid
Sheila Lawrence files suit against political columnist Ariana Huffington,
the column's distributor, Creators Syndicate Inc, and the National Enquirer
over articles claiming she had sex with Pres Clinton; Lawrence is widow of M
Larry Lawrence, former US ambassador whose body was exhumed from Arlington
National Cemetery "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Lawrence
Before his death Lawrence asked the White House and US State Department to
be buried in Arlington National Cemetery. The Army checked for World War II
service and found no record of him, he did not appear in the Coast Guard's
records of merchant seamen and did not appear on any documents of the 1945
voyage of the Horace Bushnell, including the ship's list of passengers. The
State Department told the Army to check again. The second check came back
the same. Richard Holbrooke, an assistant secretary of state, wrote a letter
to the White House praising Lawrence, and saying that a burial for him at
Arlington National Cemetery would be appropriate. This position was
political not military, but was approved. On September 15, 1998 Richard
Holbrooke disclosed that he failed to report on his financial disclosure
statement a gift worth more than $12,000 in lodgings from Larry Lawrence.
Lawrence died at age 69 in Switzerland on January 10, 1996. He had suffered
from leukemia and dyscrasia, a blood disorder that may have suppressed his
immune system and made him susceptible to infections.[5] He was buried at
Arlington National Cemetery. Bill Clinton presided over Lawrence's burial at
Arlington and delivered the eulogy. In 1997 his body was disinterred and
brought to California after congressional investigators searched military
records and found no evidence that Lawrence was ever in the Merchant Marine.
Bill Clinton's praise after Lawrence died.
"I was deeply saddened to learn of the death today of our Ambassador to
Switzerland, M. Larry Lawrence. Larry was a good friend and a valued
colleague who brought his abundant energy and fresh vision to every task he
undertook. As Ambassador in Switzerland, he was a tireless and effective
advocate of U.S. interests, especially the promotion of U.S. exports and
commercial ties. Larry's service to his country did not begin with his
diplomatic assignment. During World War II, at the age of 18, he volunteered
for the merchant marines. He was wounded when his ship was sunk by enemy
torpedoes in arctic waters. Many years later, Larry was decorated with the
Medal of Valor by the Government of the Russian Federation."
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/abuse35.htm
At 10:30 on Thursday morning at Arlington National Cemetery, a team of
gravediggers quietly dug up the remains of Larry Lawrence and carted away
his granite tombstone, which was engraved with lies.
Chiseled in stone were claims that Lawrence, the late millionaire
businessman who became an ambassador, had served in the U.S. merchant marine
and had earned the designation of "S1C," the Navy abbreviation for seaman,
first class, which would not have been given to a merchant mariner anyway.
Neither claim was true.
During his 69-year lifetime, Lawrence fabricated his World War II heroics,
his education, how he made his fortune before buying and restoring the Hotel
del Coronado near San Diego, one of America's most beautiful hotels, even
the history of the hotel itself.
His fantastic war story symbolized the love-hate relationship that he had
with the military, say people who know him well. He bristled when Navy jets
roared over his hotel, demanding more than once that the Navy change its
flight paths.
Lawrence's second wife, Michala, insists that he was in the merchant marine
because she said she had seen a scar he described as a war wound. But a
former aide to Lawrence said in an interview that years ago, he had asked
her to research the merchant marine and its role in World War II.
Before he died of a blood disease in January 1996, Lawrence's
misrepresentations went undetected by almost everyone, including President
Clinton, who considered him a friend. The president rewarded Lawrence -- who
gave $200,000 to the Democrats in 1992 and raised millions more -- with an
ambassadorship to Switzerland and eulogized him at his funeral service at
Arlington, the nation's hallowed resting place for its most cherished
heroes.
Clinton told the mourners how Lawrence had suffered a serious head injury
when he was thrown overboard from his ship, the S.S. Horace Bushnell, after
it was hit by a German torpedo in the last days of World War II. The
president said Lawrence had "showed the same courage and resolve he had
shown as a young merchant marine during World War II."
It was not until last weekend that it became known that on the day the
Bushnell was torpedoed, Lawrence was in his native Chicago, attending
classes at Wilbur Wright College.
Now there are regrets and soul-searching. The White House and Army wish that
Lawrence had never been given a waiver to be buried at Arlington. The State
Department has begun an investigation into how it overlooked discrepancies
in his background during its vetting process. Congressional critics say
Lawrence is an extreme example in the abusive tradition of rewarding
financial supporters with ambassadorships.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/jones030598c.htm
Clinton was also asked about a prominent friend, Shelia Davis Lawrence, the
widow of M. Larry Lawrence, whom Clinton had made ambassador to Switzerland.
Larry Lawrence, owner of the luxurious Hotel del Coronado near San Diego,
was a major contributor to the Democratic Party and generated national
controversy last December when it was discovered that he fabricated a hero's
service record in World War II. Lawrence's body was exhumed from Arlington
National Cemetery and moved to California.
http://www.rusbasan.com/Working/Clinton_Scandals.html
Arlington National Cemetary
In exchange for political donations, President Clinton issued a record
number of waivers into Arlington National Cemetary, a place supposedly
reserved for national heroes. The memory of the true heroes was dishonored
by such frauds as Larry Lawrence, all so Clinton could pump up campaign
funds.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/06/us/new-questions-about-envoy-who-is-buried-at-arlington.html
New Questions About Envoy Who Is Buried at Arlington
By DON VAN NATTA Jr.
Published: Saturday, December 6, 1997
As new questions emerged about the life of the late United States Ambassador
to Switzerland, M. Larry Lawrence, President Clinton ordered an
investigation into whether Mr. Lawrence had lied about his service in the
merchant marine in World War II and was inappropriately granted a waiver to
be buried at Arlington National Cemetery.
At the same time, the President defended the Army's decision to grant the
waiver, saying officials who recommended the burial ''acted on the facts as
they knew them.''
The White House spokesman, Michael D. McCurry, said Arlington was ''a place
of sacred honor to all Americans, and no one should be buried there who has
falsified records.'' But Mr. McCurry declined to say whether someone's
remains should be removed if it turned out he lied about his record.
On Thursday, the chairman of a House panel investigating the Arlington
waivers said Mr. Lawrence's claims of wartime service could not be
corroborated by official records.
As officials struggled to learn the truth of Mr. Lawrence's war record,
officials at the University of Arizona said today that Mr. Lawrence had not
earned a degree there a half a century ago, despite the fact that the
achievement was listed, along with the now-disputed merchant marine service,
in a published biography. The 1977-78 edition of Who's Who in American
Politics said Mr. Lawrence graduated from the university in 1947.A
university spokesman, Jeff Harrison, said Mr. Lawrence attended Arizona from
the autumn of 1945 until the summer of 1947, but did not graduate.
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/06/opinion/liberties-dig-him-up.html
Liberties; Dig Him Up
By MAUREEN DOWD
Published: Saturday, December 6, 1997
It almost makes me feel sorry for the Clinton folks.
They were having such a good time clinging to their sliver of high ground.
For once they had successfully refuted a nasty allegation, spread on
right-wing talk radio. This one was Grave-gate, that President Clinton had
given big donors who were not veterans eternal resting places in Arlington
National Cemetery.
But the cigars keep exploding.
By the time snippy letters of recrimination from gloating Clinton aides
landed on the desks of reporters who had written about Arlington, the White
House was back in the soup.
It turns out, as it almost always does, that there were a few sticky facts
lying in wait. A Clinton pal, Larry Lawrence, the owner of the lush Del
Coronado Hotel in San Diego and a lavish Democratic contributor -- who
stayed in the Lincoln Bedroom, flew on Air Force One, snagged an
ambassadorship to Switzerland and now sleeps in prime hallowed ground at
Arlington, near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier -- may have reinvented
himself.
He did not, as he contended in Who's Who, graduate from the University of
Arizona. He is not in the Coast Guard's data base of merchant marine seamen,
and he is not on the manifest of crewmen for the S.S. Horace Bushnell, a
ship that was torpedoed by the Nazis off the Russian coast in 1945. Although
some of the seamen had cramps and bruises after the attack, no record has
yet surfaced that anyone on that ship suffered a head injury of the sort the
hotelier talked about so emotionally when he got an award from the Russian
Government in 1993 for his ''heroism'' taking war supplies on the suicide
run to Russia.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n5_v14/ai_20204512/
Arlington rules revival: qualification for burial at the cemetery is being
questioned and Congress is set to restrict access to war heroes who have
earned their place in history
Insight on the News , Feb 9, 1998 by Paul M. Rodriguez, Jennifer G.
Hickey
Qualification for burial at the cemetery is being questioned and Congress is
set to restrict access to war heroes who have earned their place in history.
Inside the sprawling complex of the Pentagon, nothing has been as
controversial in recent years as the furor that erupted after news stories
questioned the process for granting burial waivers at Arlington National
Cemetery. From the beginning, a small cadre of military lawyers warned that
the likelihood of a "scandal" was predictable but avoidable if authorities
would resist political pressure, real or imagined, and just follow the
rules.
The explosive case of Larry Lawrence, the former Clinton ambassador to
Switzerland and a big-time contributor to Clinton and the Democratic Party,
has overshadowed the deeper controversy about the burial waivers. Discovery
that he had fabricated a World War II Merchant Marine service record -- a
record used by the White House and West to argue that the waiver was
justified-fixated both ordinary Americans and the press, overwhelming some
of the larger questions raised by Insight.
So why were some who did not qualify waived and others not? If, as West
suggested, some waivers were not based "merely on political considerations,"
then what other considerations entered the mix? And were the political
considerations only in play at Arlington or at other military burial grounds
as well?
http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=688
Down and Dirty Work
In 1967, due to projected overcrowding, Arlington burials were limited by
Army regs to combat wounded or KIA, highly decorated veterans, retirees with
20 years of service, high government officials with military service, and
immediate family members of eligible vets. Soon after these hard and fast
rules were implemented, the use of waivers began. Partial records indicate
that until 1994, less than a dozen exceptions a year were made. However,
during the 90s, investigations by the Army Inspector General and the House
Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations revealed numerous cases of
political favoritism. For the most part the press ignored the story. However
the 1996 case of a former US Ambassador to Switzerland made national head
lines. A major Clinton campaign funder, Larry Lawrence had lied about his
military service, claiming to have been wounded in combat as a Merchant
Marine in W.W.II. His widow, Sheila Davis (alleged by Arianna Huffington to
have dallied with Clinton), was compelled to remove the body and bury it
elsewhere, at her expense. But rule exceptions continued the odd or
arbitrary admittance to Arlington by non military, unqualified military, or
apparently undeserving military personnel.
http://www.buyingofthepresident.org/index.php/stories/checkbook_diplomacy_part_two/
Perhaps the most egregious offender among President Clinton's diplomatic
roster was M. Larry Lawrence, the millionaire businessman whose fabricated
stories of World War II service got him buried in - and later dug up from -
Arlington National Cemetery.
http://us.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1997/12/08/arlington/
Lawrence's Body To Be Removed From Arlington
Cemetery chief: Envoy to Switzerland probably qualified anyway
lawrence
WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Dec. 8) -- The body of M. Larry Lawrence will be
exhumed from his gravesite at Arlington National Cemetery, according to the
wishes of his widow.
Shelia Davis Lawrence today requested the removal following a political
uproar over the waiver that allowed him to be buried in the national
cemetery reserved for veterans of the military.
White House aides now acknowledge that Lawrence, who died while serving as
U.S. ambassador to Switzerland, apparently never served in the U.S. Merchant
Marines during World War II -- let alone was wounded aboard a ship in the
North Atlantic -- reasons cited for the waiver allowing him to be bured at
Arlington.
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/breindel122297.html
How did Lawrence slip through?
WITH LAST WEEK's ghoulish disinterment of M. Larry Lawrence's remains (at
the ostensible request of his widow), the uproar over the waiver that
allowed his burial at Arlington National Cemetery is over.
All but ignored, however, has been the question of how the San Diego
real-estate titan and noted Clinton donor made his way through the State
Department's vetting process -- an enterprise often described as grueling
and, if anything, too thorough. Lawrence was named U.S. ambassador to
Switzerland early in President Clinton's first term.
For several years, Lawrence had been telling virtually anyone who would
listen that he'd been an underage volunteer on the Horace Bushnell, a
Merchant Marine Liberty ship that -- loaded with Soviet-bound war supplies
as well as food -- was torpedoed in the Arctic Ocean in early 1945.
In fact, he never got anywhere near the ship or the Merchant Marine (or, for
that matter, the armed forces). Lawrence's "survival" is attributable to the
fact that he was taking courses at a Chicago junior college -- a decidedly
less hazardous occupation -- when the Bushnell was torpedoed.
(Interestingly, few living Bushnell seamen deem it feasible that anyone
tossed overboard into the freezing Arctic could have survived.)
http://www.americanpolitics.com/120597FreehArlGiul.html
Franken, someone I usually admire, reports yesterday on the new dustup
surrounding the White House "Fire Sale of Arlington Grave Sites" -- a story
originally pushed by INSIGHT MAGAZINE for the insane, which has not since
back-peddled on its total fabrication that Bill Clinton is selling burial
plots at national cemeteries in exchange for political donations.
In his piece, Franken, who at least quotes the widow of former U.S.
Ambassador to Switzerland Larry Lawrence, tries desperately to find more
scandal in this blowhole.
Here's the press at it's worst. Digging up bodies in search of "scandal"
which is another word for "money" in the news business. Because American
tastes for dirty laundry is getting stronger every minute, news
organizations cast about for garbage in a frenzy to attract more and more
K-Mart shoppers to their advertisers who, in turn, pay huge fees for
commercials that allow them to put on this trash.
Ambassador Lawrence
We have a dead man, Ambassador Lawrence, who allegedly was injured in
W.W.II. But maybe he wasn't, says House Member Terry Everett, pandering to
every shit-kicking surviving GI in the country. Everett, the Chairman of the
House Veteran's Affairs Committee, is a former newspaper publisher in the
great backwoods state of Alabama.
Everett, by all accounts, wants to dig up Lawrence and put him somewhere
else.
http://www.libertylobby.org/articles/1997/19971229clinton_crony.html
Clinton Crony Dishonored in Death
* You know about the gold and drug connection, you haven't heard the whole
story of M. Larry Lawrence.
By Fred Blahut
In Washington, the discredited M. Larry Lawrence was one of many well-heeled
"Friends of Bill," Reportedly he gave $10 million to the Democratic Party
and various Democratic entities.
In the hinterlands, Lawrence is known as the man kicked out of Arlington
National Cemetery, having faked Merchant Marine service during World War II.
But in San Diego, California, the ex-ambassador (and non-Merchant Mariner)
was the man with enough clout to avoid prosecution -- even investigation --
in a mob-linked gold and drugs operation that stretches back some 30 years.
Said one SPOTLIGHT source: "The story around town [San Diego] is that Mrs
Lawrence was advised to dig him [Lawrence] up and move him quickly, before
the investigation went any further. His connections with politicians and
mobsters is well known here, but I don't see any mention of that on the TV
news.'
Tom Potter
"Kunt100" <kun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ad999f17-13c3-45eb...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> time of your posting, you lying bigotted moronic hypocrite.
It appears that "Kunt100"
is all bent out of shape because
I did not include him on my list of regular followers.
I must point out that the reason
I did not include "Kunt100" on my list
is because his low class, vulgar, anonymous handle
is offensive to many folks,
and I did not want to use a vulgar word
that might get me banned by Google.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that my pals
Paul Carrier and "Klaus Schadenfreude"
suggest that Simon Wiesenthal is a Jewish hit man,
who assassinates folks who express facts and opinions
that he does not want the public to be exposed to.
Apparently these guys don't know
that Jews are "virtuous victims"
who have come into conflict with all of their neighbors
throughout history, because they always had the misfortune
of having evil neighbors like the Romans, Spanish, English,
Germans, Russians, Palestinians, Iraqis, Iranians,
Lebonese, Syrians, Americans, etc.
No doubt Jews have used assassinations and attempted assassinations
to intimidate high political figures,
but as Jews are "virtuous victims"
rather than evil people who would eliminate free speech,
and use the Mass Media and Google to brainwash the masses,
I doubt that they would assassinate an old guy for
posting facts from the Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta,
old newspapers and first hand historical accounts.
Tom Potter
I am pleased to see that Paul Carrier
continues to be a faithful reader of my posts,
and that they touch him emotionally.
One has to wonder though,
why Paul Carrier would stalk a poster,
and try to discredit the poster,
when the poster simply posted facts from
the Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta, old newspapers,
first hand historical accounts,
facts about Google and the Mass Media, etc.
One would think that an honest, intelligent, moral person
would focus his attention upon facts that make his case,
or discredit his opponents case,
rather than try to discredit the messenger.
As the old saying goes,
if the facts favor your position, use them,
if the facts do not favor your position
attack the people who use the facts.
No doubt, some people would do anything to
obscure reality and promote their agenda,
but as my agenda is honesty and free speech and
life, liberty and equity for all people,
I could never try to obscure facts and destroy free speech,
nor oppose the principles that America was founded on,
as some posters seem to be intent on doing.
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that three posters,
06vuj5pmvjog7c63v...@4ax.com
klausscha...@yahoo.com
and paul.c...@gmail.com
not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
but they imply that Jews are out to do
physical harm to me,
simply because I repeated the message constantly expressed by Jews,
that they are "virtuous victims"
and have come into conflict with all of their neighbors through history.
Apparently these three posters do not think that
Jews are "virtuous victims"
who believe in honesty, free speech and fair play,
but do think
that Simon Wiesenthal is Jewish hit man.
Tom Potter
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
equates asking for justice,
and a fair and public hearing to
"whining" like a "little child".
and that he asserts that I "broke my word" with Google.
I see many people in the newsgroups,
like "Klaus Schadenfreude" who use vulgarity,
and who attack individuals and groups,
who post using Google,
but as far as I can see,
Google only bans, censors, and smears
posters who make posts that the Google Management
does not want the public to have access to.
I suggest that Google has broken their word to
"Do no evil.",
and that they have an obvious race/religion bias,
"cook the books" on searches,
collect information on users,
censor and smear folks who express facts and opinions
that the Google Management does not want the public
exposed to.
It appears to me that Goggle's agenda is
"To serve man."
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that my anonymous pal "Scout"
defined "potter" as "someone who plays with mud.",
and when it was pointed out to him that potters
transform clay into useful and beautiful things,
"Scout" makes the assertion:
"You on the other hand just make pies and throw it about.
Kind of like a 3 year old in a mud hole."
As can be seen, it is "Scout"
that is throwing the mud around like a three year old,
as he stalks me, follows me around, throws a fit,
and throws mud at me using his anonymous handle,
simply because I use quotes from the Jewish Torah,
the Magna Carta, old newspapers and historical accounts,
and the words of Jews themselves to point out
that Jews have come into conflict with
all of their neighbors through history.
Hopefully "Scout" come out from under the woodwork
and use his real name to address messages
that seriously affect the lives of folks.
rather than throw mud at messengers
who express FACTS and opinions
that he does not want folks exposed to.
tankfixer
xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
> try to discredit the poster
I need do nothing to discredit you Tommy
tankfixer
xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>
> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
>
Laughs at Tommy's gross misunderstanding of what free speech is...
eric gisse
Clearly tommyboy does not understand that if he does not want to deal with
Google, he can opt out. I did him a favor by reducing his hypocracy
footprint.
Relf's site is still down, too.
Kunt100
> "Scout" <me4g...@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
>
> news:fsR%m.13839$DY5....@newsfe08.iad...
>
>
>
> > Tom Potter wrote:
> >>news:NUp%m.577$ap2...@newsfe18.iad...
> >>> Tom Potter wrote:
> >>>> messagenews:kodpj5ppug918s5n2...@4ax.com...
> >>>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com>
> -----------------------------------------------
For the record, you were exposed as lying about the Magna Carta. You
failed to reveal the whole passage in an attempt to add cogency to
your perverted and academically discredited interpretation. Idiot.
Liar.
Billie Gates
> "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:MPG.25a93e0...@news.bytemine.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <06vuj5pmvjog7c63vrknclj3vi2rr8p...@4ax.com>,
> > klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com says...
>
> >> In talk.politics.guns tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <hhnjv4$m0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >> >xprivatn...@mailinator.com says...
>
> >> >> collects person information on users,
>
> >> Google comes right out and tells everyone what they collect. Tom
> >> agreed to this and now is trying to make us think that Google was
> >> doing it without his express permission.
>
> >> Privacy Center
> >> Transparency and Choice
>
> >> At Google, we are keenly aware of the trust you place in us and our
> >> responsibility to protect your privacy. As part of this
> >> responsibility, we let you know what information we collect when you
> >> use our products and services, why we collect it and how we use it to
> >> improve your experience.
>
> >> It goes on to give great detail. I wonder if Tommy "forgot" that he,
> >> as an adult, agreed to this?
>
> >> >And probably gives it to the NSA ...
> >> >Notice any non-descript dark colored sedans hanging about the
> >> >neighborhood lately Tommy ?
>
> >> He should be more worried about Simon Wiesenthal's boys.....
>
> > Who is to say they arn't in those cars....
>
> It is interesting to see that three posters,
> klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com
> and paul.carr...@gmail.com
>
> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
>
> but they imply that Jews are out to do
> physical harm to me,
>
> simply because I repeated the message constantly expressed by Jews,
> that they are "virtuous victims"
> and have come into conflict with all of their neighbors through history.
>
> Apparently these three posters do not think that
> Jews are "virtuous victims"
> who believe in honesty, free speech and fair play,
>
> but do think
> that Simon Wiesenthal is Jewish hit man.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
> -----------------------------------------------
I have been following this from the sidelines. That Potter chap has,
on a number of occasions, explicitly stated that fellow posters
(SendMe, for example) were inciting people to use violence against
him. He now names three more posters who "imply" that parties are
intent upon harming him.
He failed to provide any evidence of Sendme's incitement to use
violence - he categorically ignored the request for substantiation.
That really will not do - such poor debating etiquette.
I ask him to substantiate the claim regarding the three posters he has
just named. Thanks ever so much in advance, Potter, old boy for doing
so.
Regards,
Billie
Billie Gates
>
> news:MPG.25a93e0...@news.bytemine.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <06vuj5pmvjog7c63vrknclj3vi2rr8p...@4ax.com>,
> > klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com says...
>
> >> In talk.politics.guns tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >In article <hhnjv4$m0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> >> >> collects person information on users,
>
> >> Google comes right out and tells everyone what they collect. Tom
> >> agreed to this and now is trying to make us think that Google was
> >> doing it without his express permission.
>
> >> Privacy Center
> >> Transparency and Choice
>
> >> At Google, we are keenly aware of the trust you place in us and our
> >> responsibility to protect your privacy. As part of this
> >> responsibility, we let you know what information we collect when you
> >> use our products and services, why we collect it and how we use it to
> >> improve your experience.
>
> >> It goes on to give great detail. I wonder if Tommy "forgot" that he,
> >> as an adult, agreed to this?
>
> >> >And probably gives it to the NSA ...
> >> >Notice any non-descript dark colored sedans hanging about the
> >> >neighborhood lately Tommy ?
>
> >> He should be more worried about Simon Wiesenthal's boys.....
>
> > Who is to say they arn't in those cars....
>
> It is interesting to see that three posters,
> klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com
> and paul.carr...@gmail.com
>
> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
>
> but they imply that Jews are out to do
> physical harm to me,
>
> simply because I repeated the message constantly expressed by Jews,
> that they are "virtuous victims"
> and have come into conflict with all of their neighbors through history.
>
> Apparently these three posters do not think that
> Jews are "virtuous victims"
> who believe in honesty, free speech and fair play,
>
> but do think
> that Simon Wiesenthal is Jewish hit man.
>
> --
> Tom Potter
> -----------------------------------------------
That Potter chappie seems to be a bit short on comprehension - this
was obviously a humurous and non-serious remark.
His powers of recollection appear to be failing: he has not repeated
the message that Jews are "virtuous victims" but has repeatedly
refferred to Jews as a cancer.
We would love to see where Potter has refferred to Jews as "virtuous
victims".
Billie
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:nukuj5te9pkurjvaq...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>like the fact that Google has a race/religion bias,
>>>and "cooks the books" on searches,
>>
>> Everyone is still waiting for your facts backing up this accusation.
>>
>>>collects person information on users,
>>
>> As per the agreement. You agreed to it, dipshit.
>>
>>>censors posters
>>
>> You broke your agreement. You're not much of a man if you break your
>> word, are you?
>>
>> Face it, you're just a whiney little child.
>
>It is interesting to see that "Klaus Schadenfreude"
>equates asking for justice,
You're not asking for justice. You're just whining.
>and that he asserts that I "broke my word" with Google.
That's right, and you know it.
>I see many people in the newsgroups,
>like "Klaus Schadenfreude" who use vulgarity,
>and who attack individuals and groups,
>who post using Google,
Everyone knows you're a liar. That's just stating a fact.
>but as far as I can see,
There is your problem. You're just a crazy blind old man.
Repeating the same thing over and over again. Afraid to address the
issues.
Klaus Schadenfreude
He wasn't. He hunted nazi war criminals.
>I doubt that they would assassinate an old guy for
>posting facts from the Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta,
>old newspapers and first hand historical accounts.
If only there was such an old guy... you just post bullshit and lies.
Here's one that absolutely paralyzes you with fear:
___________________
"The cops in China are unarmed, do not wear dark sunglasses
and do not spend most of their time operating speed traps. It is
interesting to see that there are about 40,000 policemen in New York
and about 800 in Beijing"
- Delirious China "expert" Tom Potter
Klaus Schadenfreude
I would like to thank Tom Potter for not admitting that he's a liar,
for failing to address any of his lies I mentioned.
His failure to do so has left him appearing weak and impotent.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:r1luj5df9lh9j3d2k...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It is interesting to see that "Scout",
>>>does not comprehend that a "potter"
>>>transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
>>
>> cite one instance of this ever happening.
And URL is not a cite. If you really were a member of the teaching
community, you'd know that.
tankfixer
@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, bigbill...@gmail.com says...
Tom's paranoia is legend...
>
> He failed to provide any evidence of Sendme's incitement to use
> violence - he categorically ignored the request for substantiation.
> That really will not do - such poor debating etiquette.
>
> I ask him to substantiate the claim regarding the three posters he has
> just named. Thanks ever so much in advance, Potter, old boy for doing
> so.
Tom won't comply, for to do so he would have to creep up the basement
stairs of his mothers house and look out upon the real world..
The real world scares Tommy...
Gro...@jeffrelf.f-m.fm
You ( Eric Gisse, “would be” net·cop ) imagined: “ Relf's site is still down, too. ”. No, YOU LOST and FastMail.FM* won. ( *: running nginx on Linux ) Thanks for the promotion; I'd return the favor but... you don't have a web·site... LOSER ! WORSE, you can't read { much less (re)POST }: “ Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=UTF-8 ”
Gregory Hall
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2010_Jan3.0.13pm.VX...
> You ( Eric Gisse, "would be" net�cop ) imagined:
> " Relf's site is still down, too. ".
>
> No, YOU LOST and FastMail.FM* won. ( *: running nginx on Linux )
>
> Thanks for the promotion; I'd return the favor but...
> you don't have a web�site... LOSER !
>
> WORSE, you can't read { much less (re)POST }:
> " Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset=UTF-8 "
>
>
Jeff, you undoubtedly have the oddest web site I've ever seen in the
present. You might as well be living back in the 80's when the best people
could do was run a Radio Shack TRS80.
--
Gregory Hall
Gro...@jeffrelf.f-m.fm
My website* is like a walk in the park, not a moon·shot.
Do we give up walking now that we have rockets ? no.
*: www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM
Eternal·Sep* users can't read my HTML posts**;
ya got to give me that, no ?
*: www.Eternal-September.ORG
**: www.google.com/group/alt.free.newsservers/msg/cd034697302cb631
Gregory Hall
news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2010_Jan3.3.10pm.NF...
>
> My website* is like a walk in the park, not a moon�shot.
> Do we give up walking now that we have rockets ? no.
> *: www.JeffRelf.F-M.FM
I agree, your website is like a walk in Jurassic Park.
---
Gregory Hall
General Disaster
No one wants to read *any* of yer posts, HTML or otherwise.
Gregory Hall
news:hhr8qe$pps$2...@news.eternal-september.org..
> No one wants to read *any* of yer posts, HTML or otherwise.
Wrong! I enjoy reading his posts.
--
Gregory Hall
eric gisse
> <Gro...@JeffRelf.F-M.FM> wrote in message
> news:_@Jeff_Relf.Seattle.2010_Jan3.0.13pm.VX...
>> You ( Eric Gisse, "would be" net�cop ) imagined:
>> " Relf's site is still down, too. ".
>>
>> No, YOU LOST and FastMail.FM* won. ( *: running nginx on Linux )
Looks like it is still down, Relf.
As a curiosity, how much free bandwidth has fastmail given you? I'm guessing
north of 50 gigs.
[...]
General Disaster
Okay... no one *with any brains* or who *isn't a sock puppet* wants to
read *any* of his posts, HTML or otherwise.
Tom Potter
My pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" makes a good point
when he points out that some people are so dense
that you have to keep
"repeating the same thing over and over again"
in order to get through their thick skulls.
For example, some people seem to worship Google
because they have built up a good database
and provide a few services that are a little better
than their competition,
but these people don't comprehend the danger
to the economy and society
of having a company that has a race/religion bias and
"cooks the books" on searches,
collects all kinds of personal information on users,
censors folks who express facts and opinions
that the Google Management does not want the
public to be exposed to,
and is hijacking Usenet, the last refuge
of free speech on the planet,
so one has to keep
"repeating the same thing over and over again"
in order to get through their thick skulls.
It does not take a system engineer
to comprehend that Google operates
much like perverts that lure children with candy.
Tom Potter
"Kunt100" <kun...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:40f737c2-b9d2-40eb...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
>failed to reveal the whole passage in an attempt to add cogency to
>your perverted and academically discredited interpretation. Idiot.
>Liar.
As "Kunt100", who uses a vulgar and offensive handle,
claims that I have been "exposed as lying"
for simply posting excerpts from the Magna Carta,
I am reposting the articles in question below.
The following excerpts are from the Magna Carta,
the document that made the point that human beings
were entitled to life, liberty, and decency,
and were not things to be owned or exploited,.
Article 1:
We have also granted to all freemen of our kingdom,
for us and our heirs for ever, all the underwritten liberties,
to be had and held by them and their heirs, of us and our heirs for ever:
Article 10:
"If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small,
dies before that loan can be repaid,
his heir shall pay no interest on the debt for so long as he remains under
age, irrespective from whom he holds his lands.
If such a debt falls into our hands,
we will take nothing except the principal sum mentioned in the bond. "
Article 11:
"And if any one die indebted to the Jews,
his wife shall have her dower and pay nothing of that debt;
and if any children of the deceased are left underage,
necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of the
deceased. The debt shall be paid out of the residue ,
save the service due to feudal lords.
Let debts due to others than Jews be dealt with in similar manner."
Klaus Schadenfreude
It's true. Time and time again I've asked "Potter" simple questions.
But, he is an old and feeble man now, and he has the attention span of
a cocker spaniel, and can't seem to remember things from one minute to
the next.
>For example, some people seem to worship Google
>because they have built up a good database
>and provide a few services that are a little better
>than their competition,
>
>but these people don't comprehend the danger
>to the economy and society
That's because there is no danger except to those- like you- who do
not read agreements before signing them. Don't you have a guardian
appointed to you?
Phukwit
> "Kunt100" <kunt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
You failed to read the last line of article 11.
http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/themes/debt.html
You display your stupidity with great aplomb. Idiot.
tankfixer
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...
How dare you slander Cocker Spaniels sir !
Call your second and prepare yourself !
Kunt100
vulgar?
Tom Potter
"tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25aa6e3...@news.bytemine.net...
>> on a number of occasions, explicitly stated that fellow posters
>> (SendMe, for example) were inciting people to use violence against
>> him. He now names three more posters who "imply" that parties are
>> intent upon harming him.
>
> Tom's paranoia is legend...
>
>> He failed to provide any evidence of Sendme's incitement to use
>> violence - he categorically ignored the request for substantiation.
>> That really will not do - such poor debating etiquette.
>>
>> I ask him to substantiate the claim regarding the three posters he has
>> just named. Thanks ever so much in advance, Potter, old boy for doing
>> so.
>
> Tom won't comply, for to do so he would have to creep up the basement
> stairs of his mothers house and look out upon the real world..
>
> The real world scares Tommy...
It is interesting to see
that my pal Paul Carrier
seems to be projecting his paranoia onto me.
As can be seen from my many years of posting,
I welcome, rather than fear,
intense debate on important issues.
People who gang bang, use anonymous handles, and
get all bent out of shape and attack messengers,
rather than address messages in an honest, intelligent,
rational, moral way, are the paranoiacs.
Dishonest, greedy, and fearful (Paranoiac) people
attack messengers, whereas honest, brave folks
address messages, even when they know they
will be targeted by dishonest people.
( Honest cowards avoid the fray.)
I call attention to the tactics used by evil people
who work to impose their agenda upon the larger society,
in order to show how evil people will do anything
to silence messengers that expose their evil agenda
and dishonest methods.
Tom Potter
"Phukwit" <phu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:136644bb-482b-4c58...@k17g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.bl.uk/treasures/magnacarta/themes/debt.html
>
> You display your stupidity with great aplomb. Idiot.
Although "Phukwit",
like "kunt100" uses a vulgar and offensive handle,
I am pleased to see that he finds no fault with
the framers of the Magna Carta
for prohibiting Jews from taking advantage
of widows and orphans.
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I wonder of any psychologist has run across
a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
that he tried to **create** misfortune,
and if he couldn't create misfortune,
he **fantasized** misfortune?
No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
--
Tom Potter
--
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
Klaus Schadenfreude
Note Potter begins with personal attacks instead of addressing the
issues at hand, to divert your attention away from the fact that he
plans to ignore each and every one of them
>is:
>"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
>it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I *am* enjoying your misfortune here, Potter. You came here thinking
your could spread your bullshit and everyone would think it was the
finest marmalade, and it didn't work.
>I wonder of any psychologist has run across
>a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
I wonder if any psychologist has asked you why responding to posts in
a public forum would be "stalking." After all, you post here HOPING to
get a response, and when you DO you accuse them of stalking. That's
aberrant behavior, "Potter."
>and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
>where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
>that he tried to **create** misfortune,
>and if he couldn't create misfortune,
>he **fantasized** misfortune?
Your misfortune is that you, once upon a time, lied to me, and to this
day you've never been man enough to admit that you lied. We both know
you'll never be man enough to admit it, and since that fateful day, I
have caught you in several more lies. In fact, it would seem you lie
in almost every post you make.
You're a serial liar. You can no longer post WITHOUT lying. Your
pseudologia fantastica is no longer under control.
It may be time for you to deal with your problems in the only way
left. You know what that is.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:3f61k5p2snh2s3bi7...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:r1luj5df9lh9j3d2k...@4ax.com...
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>It is interesting to see that "Scout",
>>>>>does not comprehend that a "potter"
>>>>>transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
>>>>
>>>> cite one instance of this ever happening.
>>
>> And URL is not a cite. If you really were a member of the teaching
>> community, you'd know that.
>
>Considering that the definition of [..]
Another cut and paste duplicate response. Poor Tommy can't even craft
a reply any more. His psychosis must be deepening.......
Kunt100
> "Phukwit" <phuk...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
That is not how it is written: the whole document must be read and the
historical context understood. You have done neither. Idiot.
Klaus Schadenfreude
>> I would like to thank Tom Potter for not admitting that he's a liar,
>> for failing to address any of his lies I mentioned.
>>
>> His failure to do so has left him appearing weak and impotent.
>>
>
>Considering that the definition
This is a "cut and paste" response to another post. I will not reply
to this lazy endeavor here. You may read my hand-crafted response
here:
Message-ID: <8fi6k5h3ceh930kle...@4ax.com>
tankfixer
says...
> I call attention to the tactics used by evil people
> who work to impose their agenda upon the larger society,
> in order to show how evil people will do anything
> to silence messengers that expose their evil agenda
> and dishonest methods.
>
The Real world scares Tommy
Tom Potter
It is interesting to see that Paul Carrier
thinks that he knows what "scares" me.
I'll tell you what "scares" me.
The fact that a small group of greedy people
bribe, con, or intimidate a few American politicians
and use those few politicians to
steal the work product of most Americas,
and to support their instigation of conflicts and wars
they profit from.
As Philip, Alexander the Great's father, said:
"No city walls are so strong
that they cannot be breached
if you can get a donkey load of gold
up to the city gates."
Now that "scares" me.
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I wonder of any psychologist has run across
a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
that he tried to **create** misfortune,
and if he couldn't create misfortune,
he **fantasized** misfortune?
No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
Tom Potter
> historical context understood. You have done neither. Idiot.
It is interesting to see that "Kunt100"
asserts that one has to read all of the Magna Carta and
study the history of the times,
in order to understand the following quote
from the Magna Carta.
Magna Carte quote:
=======================================================
If one who has borrowed from the Jews any sum, great or small, die before
that loan be repaid, the debt shall not bear interest while the heir is
under age, of whomsoever he may hold; and if the debt fall into our hands,
we will not take anything except the principal sum contained in the bond.
And if anyone die indebted to the Jews, his wife shall have her dower and
pay nothing of that debt; and if any children of the deceased are left under
age, necessaries shall be provided for them in keeping with the holding of
the deceased; and out of the residue the debt shall be paid, reserving,
however, service due to feudal lords; in like manner let it be done touching
debts due to others than Jews.
======================
Un quote:
It is interesting to see that the Lords prohibited themselves and Jews
from collecting interest from young orphans.
I wonder why folks 800 years ago were so concerned
about young orphans and widows owing money to people???
Tom Potter
> In article <hhpbib$5ic$4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>
>> try to discredit the poster
>
> I need do nothing to discredit you Tommy
It is interesting to see that Paul Carrier
implies that a person
who taught at the high school, college, military school
and seminar levels,
and one who held responsible positions with four Fortune 500 Companies,
( Bendix, Burroughs, Philco/Ford and Hewlett-Packard)
and one who had a Top Secret Crypto clearance
and one who posts facts from the Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta,
newspaper and first accounts,
and a person who has a long history of defending free speech
and the rights of ALL people to life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness,
has a bad reputation,
and is not to be trusted,
whereas people like Paul Carrier, Uncle Al, Eric Gisse,
and other Paul Carrier buddies like
Klaus Schadenfreude, Kunt100, Justin Lewis, etc.
have good reputations
and can be trusted.
I will be looking forward to hearing what a person has to
be and do, to be considered trustworthy and have a good reputation,
in the eyes of someone like Paul Carrier.
Tom Potter
"Billie Gates" <bigbill...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:594d3b02-f2e1-4b66...@e27g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 jan, 06:24, "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>> "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:MPG.25a93e0...@news.bytemine.net...
>>
>>
>>
>> > In article <06vuj5pmvjog7c63vrknclj3vi2rr8p...@4ax.com>,
>> > klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com says...
>>
>> >> In talk.politics.guns tankfixer <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >In article <hhnjv4$m0...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>
>> >> >> collects person information on users,
>>
>> >> Google comes right out and tells everyone what they collect. Tom
>> >> agreed to this and now is trying to make us think that Google was
>> >> doing it without his express permission.
>>
>> >> Privacy Center
>> >> Transparency and Choice
>>
>> >> At Google, we are keenly aware of the trust you place in us and our
>> >> responsibility to protect your privacy. As part of this
>> >> responsibility, we let you know what information we collect when you
>> >> use our products and services, why we collect it and how we use it to
>> >> improve your experience.
>>
>> >> It goes on to give great detail. I wonder if Tommy "forgot" that he,
>> >> as an adult, agreed to this?
>>
>> >> >And probably gives it to the NSA ...
>> >> >Notice any non-descript dark colored sedans hanging about the
>> >> >neighborhood lately Tommy ?
>>
>> >> He should be more worried about Simon Wiesenthal's boys.....
>>
>>
>> It is interesting to see that three posters,
>> 06vuj5pmvjog7c63vrknclj3vi2rr8p...@4ax.com
>> klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com
>> and paul.carr...@gmail.com
>>
>> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
>>
>> but they imply that Jews are out to do
>> physical harm to me,
>>
>> simply because I repeated the message constantly expressed by Jews,
>> that they are "virtuous victims"
>>
>> Apparently these three posters do not think that
>> Jews are "virtuous victims"
>> who believe in honesty, free speech and fair play,
>>
>> but do think
>> that Simon Wiesenthal is Jewish hit man.
>>
>> --
>> Tom Potter
>
> was obviously a humurous and non-serious remark.
> His powers of recollection appear to be failing: he has not repeated
> the message that Jews are "virtuous victims" but has repeatedly
> refferred to Jews as a cancer.
> We would love to see where Potter has refferred to Jews as "virtuous
> victims".
>
> Billie
It is interesting to see that "Billie Gates"
who fantasizes himself as
the Internet "unfavourable descriptions" policeman,
yet comes to aid of bigots who
persistently fabricate and post "unfavourable descriptions"
of folks who post facts and opinions
critical of Jews and Israel,
also rushes to the aid of bigots
who made physical threats to a poster
over the Internet.
I must point out to Billie Gates,
that by coming to the aid of people making
and trying to instigate physical threats to
folks on the Internet, that he is an accomplice,
and is no less guilty than the people who do the deeds.
accomplice:
"At law, an accomplice is a person
who actively participates in the commission of a crime,
even though they take no part in the actual criminal offense."
Perhaps Billie thinks he will look good
in an orange jump suit.
Tom Potter
> In article <hhpbig$5ic$7...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>>
>> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
>
Hopefully Paul Carrier will explain to folks
what "free speech" is according to him.
The best I can tell from the way he operates
is that Paul Carrier thinks free speech is:
1. Gang Banging messengers who express facts and opinions
that he does not want the public exposed to.
2. Attacking messengers, rather than addressing messages
in a rational, intelligent, moral, civil way.
3. Getting Usenet providers to cancel the accounts of folks
who express facts and opinions
that he does not want the public exposed to.
4. Getting Google to censor,
and cancel the accounts of folks
who express facts and opinions
that he and Google do not want the public exposed to.
5. Encouraging high school delinquents, like Eric Gisse,
to trash the resources of folks
who express facts and opinions
that he and Eric do not want the public exposed to.
6. Trying to intimidate folks
who express facts and opinions
that he and Jews do not want the public exposed to
by implying that he will be a target of Jewish assassins.
Now I may be wrong about what Paul Carrier thinks is
"Free Speech" and hopefully he will explain what
he thinks "Free speech" is.
For example, should anyone be able to use "Free Speech"
to smear individuals and groups like
Palestinians, Muslims, Latinos, Blacks, Asians and Iranians,
and
should anyone be able to use "Free Speech"
to express facts about Jews, Bush, Sharon, Google, etc.
that they do not want the public to be exposed to?
Klaus Schadenfreude
>Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is: [..]
Why bother posting if you can't think of anything original to say,
"Tom?"
Or have you simply run out of lies?
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:uhj6k5d8ev0vhj449...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I would like to thank Tom Potter for not admitting that he's a liar,
>>>> for failing to address any of his lies I mentioned.
>>>>
>>>> His failure to do so has left him appearing weak and impotent.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Considering that the definition
>>
>> This is a "cut and paste" response to another post. I will not reply
>> to this lazy endeavor here. You may read my hand-crafted response
>> here:
>>
>> Message-ID: <8fi6k5h3ceh930kle...@4ax.com>
>
>Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
[..]
Message-ID: <8fi6k5h3ceh930kle...@4ax.com>
Klaus Schadenfreude
>
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:46j6k5l7dfrhuhhba...@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3f61k5p2snh2s3bi7...@4ax.com...
>>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausscha...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:r1luj5df9lh9j3d2k...@4ax.com...
>>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xpriv...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is interesting to see that "Scout",
>>>>>>>does not comprehend that a "potter"
>>>>>>>transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cite one instance of this ever happening.
>>>>
>>>> And URL is not a cite. If you really were a member of the teaching
>>>> community, you'd know that.
>>>
>>>Considering that the definition of [..]
>>
>> Another cut and paste duplicate response. Poor Tommy can't even craft
>> a reply any more. His psychosis must be deepening.......
>
>Considering that [..]
..."Tom Potter" is a known and proven liar and social deviant, and
considering that "Tom Potter" is so shook up by my recent statements
that he has now limited himself to repeating a dreary post on my nom
de plume, and considering that "Tom Potter" can on longer address the
issues at hand in a direct and factual way, it would appear that I
broke "Tom Potter."
Oops.
Kunt100
> "Billie Gates" <bigbilliega...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
Show us the treat, you lying hypocrite. Your postings about Jews
contarvene the laws of many developed countries - even Germany, the
land that you so eulogise.
Kunt100
wrote:> >"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:46j6k5l7dfrhuhhba...@4ax.com...
> >> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:3f61k5p2snh2s3bi7...@4ax.com...
> >>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschadenfre...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:r1luj5df9lh9j3d2k...@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> In talk.politics.guns "Tom Potter" <xprivatn...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>It is interesting to see that "Scout",
> >>>>>>>does not comprehend that a "potter"
> >>>>>>>transforms "mud" into beautiful and useful things,
>
> >>>>>> cite one instance of this ever happening.
>
> >>>> And URL is not a cite. If you really were a member of the teaching
> >>>> community, you'd know that.
>
> >>>Considering that the definition of [..]
>
> >> Another cut and paste duplicate response. Poor Tommy can't even craft
> >> a reply any more. His psychosis must be deepening.......
>
> >Considering that [..]
>
> ..."Tom Potter" is a known and proven liar and social deviant, and
> considering that "Tom Potter" is so shook up by my recent statements
> that he has now limited himself to repeating a dreary post on my nom
> de plume, and considering that "Tom Potter" can on longer address the
> issues at hand in a direct and factual way, it would appear that I
> broke "Tom Potter."
>
> Oops.
He has long been broken but you allowed him to dispaly that fact. Good
work.
Kunt100
> -----------------------------------------------
Show us the physical threats, you lying hypocrite.
The "virtuous victim" message that you repeatedly post is a deliberate
misinterpretation of other peoples' postings that you use a
springboard from which to launch an appalling generalised anti-semitic
attack on that person and all Jews. Show us a posting from a jewish
poster inwhich he/she refers to jews as "virtuous victims". You are
lying again.
You are therefore attempting to repeat something that never happened.
IDIOT.
tankfixer
xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>
> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25a9d4f...@news.bytemine.net...
> > In article <hhpbib$5ic$4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
> >
> >> try to discredit the poster
> >
> > I need do nothing to discredit you Tommy
>
> It is interesting to see that Paul Carrier
> implies that a person
>
> who taught at the high school, college, military school
> and seminar levels,
>
> and one who held responsible positions with four Fortune 500 Companies,
> ( Bendix, Burroughs, Philco/Ford and Hewlett-Packard)
>
> and one who had a Top Secret Crypto clearance
Sure you did...
>
> has a bad reputation,
> and is not to be trusted,
>
Your own posts speak for themselves..
tankfixer
xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>
> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25a9d52...@news.bytemine.net...
> > In article <hhpbig$5ic$7...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
> >>
> >> not only defend Google's abuse of free speech,
> >
> > Laughs at Tommy's gross misunderstanding of what free speech is...
>
> Hopefully Paul Carrier will explain to folks
> what "free speech" is according to him.
>
> The best I can tell from the way he operates
> is that Paul Carrier thinks free speech is:
>
> 1. Gang Banging messengers who express facts and opinions
> that he does not want the public exposed to.
Your homo-erotic fantisies notwithstanding I've not nor I will have sex
with you Tom, sorry..
>
> 2. Attacking messengers, rather than addressing messages
> in a rational, intelligent, moral, civil way.
When I see such a message from you I might reply in that manner..
>
> 3. Getting Usenet providers to cancel the accounts of folks
> who express facts and opinions
> that he does not want the public exposed to.
USENET providers are not the government..
>
> 4. Getting Google to censor,
> and cancel the accounts of folks
> who express facts and opinions
> that he and Google do not want the public exposed to.
Google, is not the government..
You DO know why the 1st ammendment was written, don't you Tom ?
> 5. Encouraging high school delinquents, like Eric Gisse,
> to trash the resources of folks
> who express facts and opinions
> that he and Eric do not want the public exposed to.
Since I don't know this Eric person how can i encourage him ?
>
> 6. Trying to intimidate folks
> who express facts and opinions
> that he and Jews do not want the public exposed to
> by implying that he will be a target of Jewish assassins.
Why would anyone want to kill you ?
More to the point, if you are worried about it why do you flaunt
yourself ?
>
> Now I may be wrong about what Paul Carrier thinks is
> "Free Speech" and hopefully he will explain what
> he thinks "Free speech" is.
>
> For example, should anyone be able to use "Free Speech"
> to smear individuals and groups like
> Palestinians, Muslims, Latinos, Blacks, Asians and Iranians,
You should contact whatever university that gave you that diploma and
ask for your money back.
>
> and
>
> should anyone be able to use "Free Speech"
> to express facts about Jews, Bush, Sharon, Google, etc.
> that they do not want the public to be exposed to?
Tell me again when the government restricted your right to be a moron in
public.
Kunt100
> In article <hi1t8d$7pf...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xprivatn...@mailinator.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "tankfixer" <paul.carr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:MPG.25a9d52...@news.bytemine.net...
> > > In article <hhpbig$5i...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > xprivatn...@mailinator.com says...
statements "sow hate". Geert Wilders is being privately prosecuted
under this law (Wilders is an anti-islam member of parliament) for
statements about Muslims. He is also adopts a pro-Israel stance.
Potter would have been prosecuted long ago for the statements he makes
about Jews - the generalised negative set of characteristics he
attributes to all Jews incite hatred, as does the comparison to
hatred.
I applaud both limitations to free speech - that imposed on Wilders
and that which ought to be imposed on Potter.
Kunt100
> In article <hi1t8d$7pf...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xprivatn...@mailinator.com says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >news:MPG.25a9d52...@news.bytemine.net...
> > > In article <hhpbig$5i...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > xprivatn...@mailinator.com says...
>
> - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
In Holland we have a limit to free speech that is applied when the
statements "sow hate". This is surely the civilised way to give a
freedom yet ensure it is not misused in a way which restricts other
freedoms. Many developed countries have such constitutions - no
complete freedom of speech, thus. Germany, for example, has similar
laws.
Geert Wilders is being privately prosecuted
under this law (Wilders is an anti-islam member of parliament) for
statements about Muslims. He also adopts a pro-Israel stance.
Potter would have been prosecuted long ago for the statements he
makes
about Jews - the generalised negative set of characteristics he
attributes to all Jews incite hatred, as does the comparison to
cancer.
Tom Potter
>
> The "virtuous victim" message that you repeatedly post is a deliberate
> misinterpretation of other peoples' postings that you use a
> springboard from which to launch an appalling generalised anti-semitic
> attack on that person and all Jews. Show us a posting from a jewish
> poster inwhich he/she refers to jews as "virtuous victims". You are
> lying again.
>
> You are therefore attempting to repeat something that never happened.
> IDIOT.
It is interesting to see that "Kunt100"
is all bent out of shape because I pointed out that
as Jews have come into conflict with all of their neighbors
throughout history,
that they try to rationalize this
by trying to brainwash the masses that they are ""virtuous victims",
and that the neighbors they came into conflict with
must be flawed in some way to come into conflict
with such "virtuous" people.
Tom Potter
"Kunt100" and his buddy Klaus Schadenfreude
make a good point when they call attention
to the fact that more factual history
has been gleaned from "broken pottery"
than from bigots, fools, and the Mass Media.
Tom Potter
It is sad that people like "Kunt100"
oppose free speech,
and personally attack folks who try to use free speech
to express facts and opinions that they, as unit computers,
have computed to be worthy of sharing.
I hope he is not an American,
and does not try to impose his sickness upon Americans.
It appears that people like "Kunt100"
think that it is right and proper to target ONE member of
an opposing class like, Saddam, Arafat, Hitler, etc.
and pound on the ONE target, and incite the masses
to wage war on the set of folks associated with
their target, but it is wrong to point out
large scale correlations between larger sets of people
such as races, religions, nations, companies, etc.
The "Kunt100" philosophy:
Let's kill a few hundred thousand Iraqis
because I assert that Saddam is an evil man.
Let's deprive hundreds of thousands of Palestinians
of life, limbs, body parts, liberty, water, land, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness
because I assert that Arafat is an evil man.
Let's make it a crime to express large
correlations associated with certain races, religions, etc.
if the correlations make the race or religion look bad,
and let's make it a crime to repeat historical facts gleaned from the
Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta, newspapers and first hand historical
accounts,
if it makes Jews look bad
Tom Potter
> In article <hi1t8b$7pf$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>>
>> "tankfixer" <paul.c...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25a9d4f...@news.bytemine.net...
>> > In article <hhpbib$5ic$4...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> > xpriv...@mailinator.com says...
>> >
>> >> try to discredit the poster
>> >
>> > I need do nothing to discredit you Tommy
>>
>> It is interesting to see that Paul Carrier
>> implies that a person
>>
>> who taught at the high school, college, military school
>> and seminar levels,
>>
>> and one who held responsible positions with four Fortune 500 Companies,
>> ( Bendix, Burroughs, Philco/Ford and Hewlett-Packard)
>>
>> and one who had a Top Secret Crypto clearance
>
> Sure you did...
It is interesting to see that Paul Carrier makes the assertion
that individuals who worked on the
Top Secret "Interlock" program for the Burroughs Corporation ,
and were assigned the job of trying to determine
if unencoded messages could be determined
by intercepting conducted and radiate signals,
did not have Top Secret Crypto security clearances.
I suggest that this shows how much Paul Carrier
knows about security clearances, and
makes a strong statement about
the credibility of Paul Carrier's assertions and implications.
Kunt100
> "Kunt100" <kunt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
You fail to show us a posting in which a Jewish poster refers to him/
herself or Jews in general as "virtuous victims". The rest of your
pathetic post is an attempt to disguise the fact that you cannot do
so. You have been lying, Potter.
Kunt100
> "Kunt100" <kunt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -----------------------------------------------
No content to which one cam react: pure unsubstantiated insults.
Pathetic.
Kunt100
> "Kunt100" <kunt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> The "Kunt100" philosophy:
> Let's kill a few hundred thousand Iraqis
> because I assert that Saddam is an evil man.
Please quote me doing this.
> Let's deprive hundreds of thousands of Palestinians
> of life, limbs, body parts, liberty, water, land, liberty,
> and the pursuit of happiness
> because I assert that Arafat is an evil man.
Show me asserting this please.
> Let's make it a crime to express large
> correlations associated with certain races, religions, etc.
> if the correlations make the race or religion look bad,
Show us such a correlation.
> and let's make it a crime to repeat historical facts gleaned from the
> Jewish Torah, the Magna Carta, newspapers and first hand historical
> accounts,
> if it makes Jews look bad
The part of Magna Carta you have chosen to highlight applies to all
debts whether incurred in favour of Jews or "debts due to others than
Jews". Since at the time most Christians were discouraged from lending
money at interest it is not unreasonable to believe that most loans in
the 13th century in England had been contracted with Jews.
Accordingly, reference to Jews in this context is entirely
understandable. Furthermore, the rule as set out is by no means
unreasonable even today. Modern estate and bankruptcy law protect
vital assets from creditors and would also (cf Chapter 11 of the US
bankruptcy laws) act to prevent continuation of payment or accrual of
interest.
Kunt100
> -----------------------------------------------
This is a fundamentally incorrect ineterpretation of the law. To be
convicted of aiding and abbetting, conspiracy to commit a crime or
being an accomplice (dependent upon the legal system chosen) one has
to have undertaken clear definable steps towards the commission of a
crime (active participation, if you will).
Potter can provide no evidence of the crime or its attempt. The only
suggested activity in his posting is aiding people who are making and
trying to instigate physical threats (although the threats cannot be
cited by Potter). No country knows of such a crime: how can one assist
or be an accomplice to making a threat or be an accomplice to an
attempt (trying) to instigate a physical threat? Ludicrous. Unsound.
You either threaten someone or you do not: Billie has never threatened
Potter.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Hmmmm. Top Secret Crypto.
Now where have I heard THAT before? [chuckle]
Klaus Schadenfreude
Repeating yourself over and over again like a brain-damaged drone is
not allowing anyone to glean much of anything.
Face it, you're just a liar, "Potter." I proved it.
tankfixer
klausscha...@yahoo.com says...
What that fool doesn't realize is I have conducted interviews for
clearences.....
And I'd down check his..if it crossed my desk..
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I wonder of any psychologist has run across
a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
that he tried to **create** misfortune,
and if he couldn't create misfortune,
he **fantasized** misfortune?
No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
Tom Potter
It seems to me that a guy who
"conducted interviews for clearences"
would know how to spell "clearances".
Tom Potter
Considering that the definition of "schadenfreude" is:
"A malicious satisfaction obtained from the misfortunes of others.",
it appears that my pal "Klaus Schadenfreude" is true to his name.
I wonder of any psychologist has run across
a "schadenfreude" that stalked folks and followed them around,
and one that if he couldn't find misfortune
where he **hoped** to find misfortune,
that he tried to **create** misfortune,
and if he couldn't create misfortune,
he **fantasized** misfortune?
No doubt such a person would be a psycho.
--
Klaus Schadenfreude
"liar" is:
: a person who tells lies
it would seem that "Tom Potter" fits the description.
Klaus Schadenfreude
I accept your surrender, "Potter." You don't have to continue to
embarrass yourself.
[chuckle]