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Bob
May 24, 2013, 8:13:22 AM5/24/13
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The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
"I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
"It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
the modern age�smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
think they'd get away with it.
So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
in mind?
We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
were abused.
We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
was overwhelmed with requests�the targeting began before a surge in
applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
2012�the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
comes from the top."
We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
and then took the Fifth.
And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
story of Catherine Engelbrecht�a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
and her husband live in Richmond, Texas. They have a small manufacturing
business. In the past few years she became interested in public policy
and founded two groups, King Street Patriots, and True the Vote.
In July 2010 she sent applications to the IRS for tax-exempt status.
What followed was not the harassment, intrusiveness and delay we're now
used to hearing of. The US government came down on her with full force.
In December 2010 the FBI came to ask about a person who'd attended a
King Street Patriots function. In January 2011 the FBI had more
questions. The same month the IRS audited her business tax returns. In
May 2011 the FBI called again for a general inquiry about King Street
Patriots. In June 2011 Engelbrecht's personal tax returns were audited
and the FBI called again. In October 2011 a round of questions on True
the Vote. In November 2011 another call from the FBI. The next month,
more questions from the FBI. In February 2012 a third round of IRS
questions on True the Vote. In February 2012 a first round of questions
on King Street Patriots. The same month the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms did an unscheduled audit of her business. (It had a license
to make firearms but didn't make them.) In July 2012 the Occupational
Safety and Health Administration did an unscheduled audit. In November
2012 more IRS questions on True the Vote. In March 2013, more questions.
In April 2013 a second ATF audit.
All this because she requested tax-exempt status for a local
conservative group and for one that registers voters and tries to get
dead people off the rolls. Her attorney, Cleta Mitchell, who provided
the timeline above, told me: "These people, they are just regular
Americans. They try to get dead people off the voter rolls, you would
think that they are serial killers."
This week Ms. Engelbrecht, who still hasn't received her exemptions,
sued the IRS.
With all the talk and the hearings and the news reports, it is important
to keep the essentials of this story in mind.
First, only conservative groups were targeted in this scandal by the
IRS. Liberal or progressive groups were not targeted. The IRS leaked
conservative groups' confidential applications and donor lists to
liberal groups, never the other way around.
This was a political operation. If it had not been, then the statistics
tell us left-wing groups would have been harassed and abused, and seen
their applications leaked to the press. There would be a left-wing
equivalent to Catherine Engelbrecht.
And all of this apparently took place in the years leading up to the
2012 election. Meaning that before that election, groups that were
anti-Obamacare, or pro-life, or pro-Second Amendment or
constitutionalist, or had words like 'tea party' or 'patriot' in their
name�groups that is that would support Republicans, not Democrats�were
suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
fully operating.
That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
service."
IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
how they operated.
A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
wants the FBI�which answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department�to
investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
not be trustworthy.
An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now�if the internal
corruption within it is not broken�it will never stop, and never be
broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
And that, actually, would be tragic.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
--
Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
"I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
"It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
the modern age�smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
think they'd get away with it.
So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
in mind?
We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
were abused.
We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
was overwhelmed with requests�the targeting began before a surge in
applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
2012�the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
comes from the top."
We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
and then took the Fifth.
And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
story of Catherine Engelbrecht�a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
and her husband live in Richmond, Texas. They have a small manufacturing
business. In the past few years she became interested in public policy
and founded two groups, King Street Patriots, and True the Vote.
In July 2010 she sent applications to the IRS for tax-exempt status.
What followed was not the harassment, intrusiveness and delay we're now
used to hearing of. The US government came down on her with full force.
In December 2010 the FBI came to ask about a person who'd attended a
King Street Patriots function. In January 2011 the FBI had more
questions. The same month the IRS audited her business tax returns. In
May 2011 the FBI called again for a general inquiry about King Street
Patriots. In June 2011 Engelbrecht's personal tax returns were audited
and the FBI called again. In October 2011 a round of questions on True
the Vote. In November 2011 another call from the FBI. The next month,
more questions from the FBI. In February 2012 a third round of IRS
questions on True the Vote. In February 2012 a first round of questions
on King Street Patriots. The same month the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms did an unscheduled audit of her business. (It had a license
to make firearms but didn't make them.) In July 2012 the Occupational
Safety and Health Administration did an unscheduled audit. In November
2012 more IRS questions on True the Vote. In March 2013, more questions.
In April 2013 a second ATF audit.
All this because she requested tax-exempt status for a local
conservative group and for one that registers voters and tries to get
dead people off the rolls. Her attorney, Cleta Mitchell, who provided
the timeline above, told me: "These people, they are just regular
Americans. They try to get dead people off the voter rolls, you would
think that they are serial killers."
This week Ms. Engelbrecht, who still hasn't received her exemptions,
sued the IRS.
With all the talk and the hearings and the news reports, it is important
to keep the essentials of this story in mind.
First, only conservative groups were targeted in this scandal by the
IRS. Liberal or progressive groups were not targeted. The IRS leaked
conservative groups' confidential applications and donor lists to
liberal groups, never the other way around.
This was a political operation. If it had not been, then the statistics
tell us left-wing groups would have been harassed and abused, and seen
their applications leaked to the press. There would be a left-wing
equivalent to Catherine Engelbrecht.
And all of this apparently took place in the years leading up to the
2012 election. Meaning that before that election, groups that were
anti-Obamacare, or pro-life, or pro-Second Amendment or
constitutionalist, or had words like 'tea party' or 'patriot' in their
name�groups that is that would support Republicans, not Democrats�were
suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
fully operating.
That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
service."
IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
how they operated.
A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
wants the FBI�which answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department�to
investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
not be trustworthy.
An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now�if the internal
corruption within it is not broken�it will never stop, and never be
broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
And that, actually, would be tragic.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
--
Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 8:22:48 AM5/24/13
to
On May 24, 7:13 am, Bob <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:
> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> the modern age smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> think they'd get away with it.
>
> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> in mind?
>
> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> were abused.
>
> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> was overwhelmed with requests the targeting began before a surge in
> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> think they'd get away with it.
>
> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> in mind?
>
> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> were abused.
>
> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
> 2012 the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
> the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> comes from the top."
>
> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> and then took the Fifth.
>
> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> story of Catherine Engelbrecht a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> comes from the top."
>
> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> and then took the Fifth.
>
> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
> fully operating.
>
> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> service."
>
> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> how they operated.
>
> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> wants the FBI which answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department to
> fully operating.
>
> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> service."
>
> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> how they operated.
>
> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> not be trustworthy.
>
> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
>
> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now if the internal
> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> not be trustworthy.
>
> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
>
> corruption within it is not broken it will never stop, and never be
> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732347530457850158199110...
> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
>
> --
>
> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
When Lerner is fitted for an orange jumpsuit, shackles and shuffled
> --
>
> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
off to a federal prison perhaps it will jog a few IRS thug's memories.
But, the prosecuters will have to get past Eric"Witholder"Holder.
Jorge
May 24, 2013, 8:38:48 AM5/24/13
to
In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> name吉roups that is that would support Republicans, not Democrats仇ere
> corruption within it is not broken喫t will never stop, and never be
and you're not thankful.
--
Karma ; what a concept!
Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> the modern age虐mooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> think they'd get away with it.
>
> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> in mind?
>
> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> were abused.
>
> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> was overwhelmed with requests逆he targeting began before a surge in
> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> think they'd get away with it.
>
> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> in mind?
>
> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> were abused.
>
> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
> 2012逆he IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
> the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> comes from the top."
>
> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> and then took the Fifth.
>
> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> story of Catherine Engelbrecht蟻 nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> comes from the top."
>
> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> and then took the Fifth.
>
> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
> fully operating.
>
> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> service."
>
> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> how they operated.
>
> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> wants the FBI仇hich answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department逆o
> fully operating.
>
> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> service."
>
> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> how they operated.
>
> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> not be trustworthy.
>
> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
>
> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now喫f the internal
> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> not be trustworthy.
>
> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we need.
>
> corruption within it is not broken喫t will never stop, and never be
> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html
> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>
> --
>
> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html
> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>
> --
>
> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
and you're not thankful.
--
Karma ; what a concept!
Sid9
May 24, 2013, 8:50:35 AM5/24/13
to
"Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
> In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
>> abuse.
>>
>> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
>> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>>
>> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
>> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
>> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
>> the modern age�smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
> Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
>> abuse.
>>
>> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
>> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>>
>> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
>> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
>> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
>> surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
>> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
>> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
>> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
>> think they'd get away with it.
>>
>> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
>> in mind?
>>
>> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
>> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
>> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
>> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
>> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
>> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
>> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
>> were abused.
>>
>> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
>> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
>> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
>> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
>> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
>> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
>> was overwhelmed with requests�the targeting began before a surge in
>> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
>> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
>> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
>> think they'd get away with it.
>>
>> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
>> in mind?
>>
>> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
>> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
>> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
>> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
>> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
>> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
>> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
>> were abused.
>>
>> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
>> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
>> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
>> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
>> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
>> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
>> applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
>> 2012�the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
>> the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
>> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
>> comes from the top."
>>
>> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
>> and then took the Fifth.
>>
>> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
>> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
>> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>>
>> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
>> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
>> story of Catherine Engelbrecht�a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
>> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
>> comes from the top."
>>
>> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
>> and then took the Fifth.
>>
>> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
>> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
>> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>>
>> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
>> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
>> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
>> fully operating.
>>
>> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
>> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
>> service."
>>
>> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
>> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
>> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>>
>> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
>> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
>> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
>> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
>> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
>> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
>> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
>> how they operated.
>>
>> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
>> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
>> wants the FBI�which answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department�to
>> fully operating.
>>
>> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
>> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
>> service."
>>
>> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
>> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
>> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>>
>> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
>> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
>> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
>> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
>> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
>> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
>> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
>> how they operated.
>>
>> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
>> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
>> investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
>> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
>> not be trustworthy.
>>
>> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
>> need.
>>
>> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now�if the internal
>> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
>> not be trustworthy.
>>
>> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
>> need.
>>
>> corruption within it is not broken�it will never stop, and never be
>> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
>> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
>> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html
>> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> and you're not thankful.
> --
> Karma ; what a concept!
.
>> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
>> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>>
>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html
>> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> and you're not thankful.
> --
> Karma ; what a concept!
.
.
Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the deep
end.
Obama is clean!
Message has been deleted
Enraged Apostate, World Citizen
May 24, 2013, 9:23:11 AM5/24/13
to
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote on Fri 24 May 2013 06:01:43a
> In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
>
> jail. However that could mess up criminal prosecution, so Congress has
> to decide whether to wait for DoJ to investigate and decide what they
> will do, or proceed immediately.
The Oversight Committee chaired by the felon Issa does not give a shit about
oversight and reform.
It's all about the grandstanding you saw particularly with Lerner.
Proof?
When that idiot thug of Issa, Gowdy, unwittingly humiliated himself by
saying he had been a working attorney before becoming a member of Congress
declared that Lerner had "waived" her 5th Amendment right by making a
prepared statement and reading it---how goddamned ludicrous!!----there was
applause from the gallery after that statement.
Any decent and proper chair in a Congressional hearing room would have
gaveled the room to silence and warned that disruptive and possibly all
members of the gallery would be asked to leave if order was not maintained.
But Issa is neither decent nor proper: the applause advanced the cause of
grandstanders in the witch hunt.
(What was shocking about that was Democrats sitting there in silence without
protest or objection: they are so fucking kow-towed by the right-wing thugs
running the show in the House that they actually believe the people want
that kind of representative government---thuggishness. I was particularly
shocked that Cummings, Maloney, and Speier would not object to Issa's
failure to gavel the room to order.)
More proof of grandstanding is Issa's dismissing Lerner from the witness
table. The committee usually recesses briefly for witnesses to be
changed---EN MASSE---at the table, and does not make a show of one witness
being dismissed.
Lerner will NEVER see the inside of a courtroom because as she said, there
is no legal wrongdoing here. There is no proof that the list was
politically ONE-SIDED. Both left and right groups were selected for whether
they violated the 501(c)(4) rule, when they pretty much absolutely did do
so.
When we start enforcing the 501(c)(4) rule as it is written in law, then we
start seeing Tea Party orgs paying taxes as they should.
--
The Enraged Apostate
Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
> In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
>
>> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
>> abuse.
>
> Congress has the option to give them immunity and force testimony or
>> abuse.
>
> jail. However that could mess up criminal prosecution, so Congress has
> to decide whether to wait for DoJ to investigate and decide what they
> will do, or proceed immediately.
The Oversight Committee chaired by the felon Issa does not give a shit about
oversight and reform.
It's all about the grandstanding you saw particularly with Lerner.
Proof?
When that idiot thug of Issa, Gowdy, unwittingly humiliated himself by
saying he had been a working attorney before becoming a member of Congress
declared that Lerner had "waived" her 5th Amendment right by making a
prepared statement and reading it---how goddamned ludicrous!!----there was
applause from the gallery after that statement.
Any decent and proper chair in a Congressional hearing room would have
gaveled the room to silence and warned that disruptive and possibly all
members of the gallery would be asked to leave if order was not maintained.
But Issa is neither decent nor proper: the applause advanced the cause of
grandstanders in the witch hunt.
(What was shocking about that was Democrats sitting there in silence without
protest or objection: they are so fucking kow-towed by the right-wing thugs
running the show in the House that they actually believe the people want
that kind of representative government---thuggishness. I was particularly
shocked that Cummings, Maloney, and Speier would not object to Issa's
failure to gavel the room to order.)
More proof of grandstanding is Issa's dismissing Lerner from the witness
table. The committee usually recesses briefly for witnesses to be
changed---EN MASSE---at the table, and does not make a show of one witness
being dismissed.
Lerner will NEVER see the inside of a courtroom because as she said, there
is no legal wrongdoing here. There is no proof that the list was
politically ONE-SIDED. Both left and right groups were selected for whether
they violated the 501(c)(4) rule, when they pretty much absolutely did do
so.
When we start enforcing the 501(c)(4) rule as it is written in law, then we
start seeing Tea Party orgs paying taxes as they should.
--
The Enraged Apostate
Right-wing talking points show a popular appeal in
the same way that trainwrecks are morbidly fascinating.
But soon after the desire to be horrified at the spectacle passes,
the realization soon follows that it is all an ugly, bloody mess,
and it will only be cleaned up with leftist methods and a liberal in charge.
Busch Lite spent 720 days on vacation reading "Billy the Goat" at his dude ranch
May 24, 2013, 9:36:42 AM5/24/13
to
On 5/24/2013 7:13 AM, Bob wrote:
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
They must have studied the Ronny Raygun, Ollie North, Tricky Dick,
> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
and of course Busch Lite, Condi Rice, and Rummmy, clips to come up with
those neat replies.
Message has been deleted
Enraged Apostate, World Citizen
May 24, 2013, 9:54:51 AM5/24/13
to
Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote on Fri 24 May 2013 06:55:44a
> In article <XnsA1CA41A6AC...@78.46.70.116>,
> "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
> chairmanship to destroy Obama.
From the twisted view of this felon, he considers that oversight and reform.
> In article <XnsA1CA41A6AC...@78.46.70.116>,
> "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
> <Finding...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The Oversight Committee chaired by the felon Issa does not give a shit
>> about oversight and reform.
>
> I think I remember Issa boasting he was going to use his new
>
>> The Oversight Committee chaired by the felon Issa does not give a shit
>> about oversight and reform.
>
> chairmanship to destroy Obama.
From the twisted view of this felon, he considers that oversight and reform.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 10:17:15 AM5/24/13
to
On May 24, 7:50 am, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Jorge" <georgew...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> >> name groups that is that would support Republicans, not Democrats were
> >> corruption within it is not broken it will never stop, and never be
>
> - Show quoted text -
And you know that how? Because he told you so or because he's "black"??
> "Jorge" <georgew...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
>
>
>
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> > Bob <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:
>
> >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> >> abuse.
>
> >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> >> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> >> the modern age smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
>
> >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> >> abuse.
>
> >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> >> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
> >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> >> surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
> >> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> >> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> >> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> >> think they'd get away with it.
>
> >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> >> in mind?
>
> >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> >> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> >> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> >> were abused.
>
> >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> >> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> >> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> >> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> >> was overwhelmed with requests the targeting began before a surge in
> >> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> >> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> >> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> >> think they'd get away with it.
>
> >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> >> in mind?
>
> >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> >> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> >> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> >> were abused.
>
> >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> >> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> >> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> >> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> >> applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
> >> 2012 the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
> >> the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
> >> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> >> comes from the top."
>
> >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> >> and then took the Fifth.
>
> >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> >> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> >> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> >> story of Catherine Engelbrecht a nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
> >> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> >> comes from the top."
>
> >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> >> and then took the Fifth.
>
> >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> >> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> >> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> >> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
> >> fully operating.
>
> >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> >> service."
>
> >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> >> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> >> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> >> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> >> how they operated.
>
> >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> >> wants the FBI which answers to Eric Holder's Justice Department to
> >> fully operating.
>
> >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> >> service."
>
> >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> >> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> >> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> >> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> >> how they operated.
>
> >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> >> investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
> >> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> >> not be trustworthy.
>
> >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> >> need.
>
> >> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now if the internal
> >> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> >> not be trustworthy.
>
> >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> >> need.
>
> >> corruption within it is not broken it will never stop, and never be
> >> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
> >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732347530457850158199110...
> >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> >> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>
> >> --
>
> >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > and you're not thankful.
> > --
> > Karma ; what a concept!
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the deep
> end.
> Obama is clean!- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> --
>
> >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > and you're not thankful.
> > --
> > Karma ; what a concept!
>
> .
> .
> .
>
> Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the deep
> end.
>
> - Show quoted text -
And you know that how? Because he told you so or because he's "black"??
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 10:21:33 AM5/24/13
to
On May 24, 8:23 am, "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen"
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote on Fri 24 May 2013 06:01:43a
>
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
OK, so you have no interest whatsoever and getting to the truth. I'm
sure you'd feel the same way if Bush had used his IRS to target his
"enemies" and influence an election in his favor. Besides, what
difference does it make? Btw, there's only two ways to look at the IRS
scandal. Either Obama is asshole deep in the scandal or he's totally
clueless about what goes on around him. Either way he's too dangerous
to have so much power as POTUS.
<Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid> wrote:
> Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote on Fri 24 May 2013 06:01:43a
>
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
sure you'd feel the same way if Bush had used his IRS to target his
"enemies" and influence an election in his favor. Besides, what
difference does it make? Btw, there's only two ways to look at the IRS
scandal. Either Obama is asshole deep in the scandal or he's totally
clueless about what goes on around him. Either way he's too dangerous
to have so much power as POTUS.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 10:23:30 AM5/24/13
to
On May 24, 8:55 am, Siri Cruise <chine.b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsA1CA41A6AC3AAFREOinva...@78.46.70.116>,
You're not equipped for the task of thinking. You're what normal
people call an LIV OboDrone.
> --
> Pscyhlos do not explode when the sunlight hits them. I don't care how
> crazy they are.
> :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
> In article <XnsA1CA41A6AC3AAFREOinva...@78.46.70.116>,
> "Enraged Apostate, World Citizen" <Finding.Rea...@Every.Opportunity.invalid>
>
> wrote:
>
> wrote:
> > The Oversight Committee chaired by the felon Issa does not give a shit about
> > oversight and reform.
>
> > oversight and reform.
>
> I think I remember Issa boasting he was going to use his new chairmanship to
> destroy Obama.
Well fuckslop. That was your first mistake. Trying to "think".
> destroy Obama.
You're not equipped for the task of thinking. You're what normal
people call an LIV OboDrone.
> --
> Pscyhlos do not explode when the sunlight hits them. I don't care how
> crazy they are.
> :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.
Sid9
May 24, 2013, 10:52:00 AM5/24/13
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"Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burto...@gmail.com>
wrote in message
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PS...He's on C-Span giving a commencement address at the Naval Academy
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 11:25:27 AM5/24/13
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On May 24, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:56ed673d-0492-428b...@20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> PS...He's on C-Span giving a commencement address at the Naval Academy- Hide quoted text -
fucking idiot is asshole deep in these scandals or he has no fucking
clue about what is going on around him. Either way he doesn't deserve
the job of POTUS.
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:56ed673d-0492-428b...@20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
WTF does that prove?? He gives two or three speeches a day. Either the
> - Show quoted text -
fucking idiot is asshole deep in these scandals or he has no fucking
clue about what is going on around him. Either way he doesn't deserve
the job of POTUS.
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Sid9
May 24, 2013, 1:12:11 PM5/24/13
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Surprise! He was elected by the American people twice.
If a third term were permitted he would beat ANY of the potential Republican
contenders.
If a third term were permitted he would beat ANY of the potential Republican
contenders.
Orval Fairbairn
May 24, 2013, 2:14:08 PM5/24/13
to
In article <knnnf7$fdb$1...@dont-email.me>, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> "Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> > Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> >> abuse.
> >>
> >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> >> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
> >>
> >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> >> the modern ageŠsmooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable. They're
> >> nameŠgroups that is that would support Republicans, not DemocratsŠwere
> >> corruption within it is not brokenŠit will never stop, and never be
wrote:
> "Jorge" <georg...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
> > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$46...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> > Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
> >
> >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> >> abuse.
> >>
> >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
> >> "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
> >>
> >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington in
> >> surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how to parse a
> >> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> >> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> >> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> >> think they'd get away with it.
> >>
> >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> >> in mind?
> >>
> >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> >> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> >> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> >> were abused.
> >>
> >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> >> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> >> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> >> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> >> was overwhelmed with requestsŠthe targeting began before a surge in
> >> careful response, they know how to blur the essential point of a
> >> question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across as
> >> people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment and
> >> think they'd get away with it.
> >>
> >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to keep
> >> in mind?
> >>
> >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the orders
> >> or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the scandal.
> >> We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for tax-exempt status
> >> were abused.
> >>
> >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted the
> >> targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a spin
> >> operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We know the
> >> tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes because it
> >> applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the targeting in
> >> 2012Šthe IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June 2011. She said
> >> the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the Cincinnati office. But
> >> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> >> comes from the top."
> >>
> >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> >> and then took the Fifth.
> >>
> >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> >> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> >> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
> >>
> >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> >> story of Catherine EngelbrechtŠa nice woman, a citizen, an American. She
> >> the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker there, who said: "Everything
> >> comes from the top."
> >>
> >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> >> and then took the Fifth.
> >>
> >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new IRS
> >> commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you have to
> >> act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
> >>
> >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told the
> >> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
> >> fully operating.
> >>
> >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> >> service."
> >>
> >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> >> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
> >>
> >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> >> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> >> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> >> how they operated.
> >>
> >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> >> wants the FBIŠwhich answers to Eric Holder's Justice DepartmentŠto
> >> fully operating.
> >>
> >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor customer
> >> service."
> >>
> >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have any
> >> problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
> >>
> >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there had
> >> been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out exactly
> >> why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was involved, and
> >> how they operated.
> >>
> >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama administration
> >> investigate, but that would not be credible. The investigators of the
> >> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> >> not be trustworthy.
> >>
> >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> >> need.
> >>
> >> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped nowŠif the internal
> >> IRS must be independent of the administration, or their conclusions will
> >> not be trustworthy.
> >>
> >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> >> need.
> >>
> >> corruption within it is not brokenŠit will never stop, and never be
> >> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
> >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
> >>
> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.h
> >> tml
> >> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
> >
> > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > and you're not thankful.
> > --
> > Karma ; what a concept!
> .
> .
> .
>
> Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the deep
> end.
> Obama is clean!
... but is Valerie Jarrett clean?
> >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
> >>
> >> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.h
> >> tml
> >> ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
> >
> > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > and you're not thankful.
> > --
> > Karma ; what a concept!
> .
> .
> .
>
> Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the deep
> end.
> Obama is clean!
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 2:51:34 PM5/24/13
to
> > "Jorge" <georgew...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
> > > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> > >> name groups that is that would support Republicans, not Democrats were
> > >> Department to investigate, but that would not be credible. The
> > >> corruption within it is not broken it will never stop, and never be
corrupt assholes being questioned by Congress. We'll see how many of
them still have that smirk on their face after Issa gets through with
them. Btw, please explain how all this could be going on and Obama
know absolutely nothing about it? Either he's up to his asshole in the
scandals or he's totally clueless about whats going on around him.
Either way he's not fit for the job of POTUS.
> >news:georgewk10-8375A...@news.toast.net...
> > > In article <bc4c$519f5969$7f000001$4...@news.flashnewsgroups.com>,
> > > Bob <dalnet...@att.net> wrote:
>
> > >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> > >> abuse.
>
> > >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that
> > >> detail." "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that
> > >> letter."
>
> > >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> > >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> > >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington
> > >> in the modern age smooth, highly credentialed and unaccountable.
>
> > >> The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and
> > >> abuse.
>
> > >> "I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that
> > >> detail." "It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that
> > >> letter."
>
> > >> These are quotes from the Internal Revenue Service officials who
> > >> testified this week before the House and Senate. That is the authentic
> > >> sound of stonewalling, and from the kind of people who run Washington
> > >> They're surrounded by legal and employment protections, they know how
> > >> to parse a careful response, they know how to blur the essential point
> > >> of a question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across
> > >> as people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment
> > >> and think they'd get away with it.
>
> > >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to
> > >> keep in mind?
>
> > >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> > >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> > >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> > >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> > >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the
> > >> orders or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the
> > >> scandal. We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for
> > >> tax-exempt status were abused.
>
> > >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> > >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> > >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted
> > >> the targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a
> > >> spin operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We
> > >> know the tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes
> > >> because it was overwhelmed with requests the targeting began before a
> > >> to parse a careful response, they know how to blur the essential point
> > >> of a question in a blizzard of unconnected factoids. They came across
> > >> as people arrogant enough to target Americans for abuse and harassment
> > >> and think they'd get away with it.
>
> > >> So what did we learn the past week, and what are the essentials to
> > >> keep in mind?
>
> > >> We learned the people who ran and run the IRS are not going to help
> > >> Congress find out what happened in the IRS. We know we haven't gotten
> > >> near the bottom of the political corruption of that agency. We do not
> > >> know who ordered the targeting of conservative groups and individuals,
> > >> or why, or exactly when it began. We don't know who executed the
> > >> orders or directives. We do not know the full scope or extent of the
> > >> scandal. We don't know, for instance, how many applicants for
> > >> tax-exempt status were abused.
>
> > >> We know the IRS commissioner wasn't telling the truth in March 2012,
> > >> when he testified: "There's absolutely no targeting." We have learned
> > >> the Lois Lerner lied when she claimed she had spontaneously admitted
> > >> the targeting in a Q-and-A at a Washington meeting. It was part of a
> > >> spin operation in which she'd planted the question with a friend. We
> > >> know the tax-exempt bureau Ms. Lerner ran did not simply make mistakes
> > >> surge in applications. And Ms. Lerner did not learn about the
> > >> targeting in 2012 the IRS audit timeline shows she was briefed in June
> > >> 2011. She said the targeting was the work of rogue agents in the
> > >> Cincinnati office. But the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker
> > >> there, who said: "Everything comes from the top."
>
> > >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> > >> and then took the Fifth.
>
> > >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new
> > >> IRS commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you
> > >> have to act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> > >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> > >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told
> > >> the story of Catherine Engelbrecht a nice woman, a citizen, an
> > >> Cincinnati office. But the Washington Post spoke to an IRS worker
> > >> there, who said: "Everything comes from the top."
>
> > >> We know that Lois Lerner this week announced she'd done nothing wrong,
> > >> and then took the Fifth.
>
> > >> And we know Jay Leno, grown interestingly fearless, said of the new
> > >> IRS commissioner, "They're called 'acting commissioner' because you
> > >> have to act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House."
>
> > >> But the most important IRS story came not from the hearings but from
> > >> Mike Huckabee's program on Fox News Channel. He interviewed and told
> > >> suppressed, thwarted, kept from raising money and therefore kept from
> > >> fully operating.
>
> > >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> > >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor
> > >> customer service."
>
> > >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> > >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have
> > >> any problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> > >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> > >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> > >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> > >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> > >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there
> > >> had been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out
> > >> exactly why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was
> > >> involved, and how they operated.
>
> > >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> > >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama
> > >> administration wants the FBI which answers to Eric Holder's Justice
> > >> fully operating.
>
> > >> That is some kind of coincidence. That is some kind of strangely
> > >> political, strangely partisan, and strangely ideological "poor
> > >> customer service."
>
> > >> IRS officials have complained that the law is murky, it's difficult to
> > >> define what the tax exemption law really means. But they don't have
> > >> any problem defining it. They defined it with a vengeance.
>
> > >> Second, it is important to remember that there has never been an
> > >> investigation of what happened in the IRS. There was an internal IRS
> > >> audit, not an investigation, carried out by an inspector general, who
> > >> was careful this week to note to the House what he'd done was not an
> > >> investigation. He was tasked to come to conclusions on whether there
> > >> had been wrongdoing at the agency. It was not his job to find out
> > >> exactly why it happened, how and when the scandal began, who was
> > >> involved, and how they operated.
>
> > >> A dead serious investigation is needed. The IRS has colorfully
> > >> demonstrated that it cannot investigate itself. The Obama
> > >> Department to investigate, but that would not be credible. The
> > >> investigators of the IRS must be independent of the administration, or
> > >> their conclusions will not be trustworthy.
>
> > >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> > >> need.
>
> > >> Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now if the internal
> > >> their conclusions will not be trustworthy.
>
> > >> An independent counsel, with all the powers of that office, is what we
> > >> need.
>
> > >> corruption within it is not broken it will never stop, and never be
> > >> broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
> > >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> > >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> > >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103
> > >> 070.html ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>
> > >> --
>
> > >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> > > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > > and you're not thankful.
> > > --
> > > Karma ; what a concept!
> > .
> > .
> > .
>
> > Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the
> > deep end.
> > Obama is clean!
>
> It's so amusing to watch them stumble and fumble. Cheap thrills.- Hide quoted text -
> > >> slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
> > >> And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
> > >>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103
> > >> 070.html ?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
>
> > >> --
>
> > >> Mr. President, you are a disgusting human being.
>
> > > but he and his IRS are going to "give" you health care.
> > > and you're not thankful.
> > > --
> > > Karma ; what a concept!
> > .
> > .
> > .
>
> > Republicans desperate to hang something on Obama keep falling off the
> > deep end.
> > Obama is clean!
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
Only stumbling and fumbling being done is by the crooked, arrogant,
> - Show quoted text -
corrupt assholes being questioned by Congress. We'll see how many of
them still have that smirk on their face after Issa gets through with
them. Btw, please explain how all this could be going on and Obama
know absolutely nothing about it? Either he's up to his asshole in the
scandals or he's totally clueless about whats going on around him.
Either way he's not fit for the job of POTUS.
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 2:54:48 PM5/24/13
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On May 24, 12:12 pm, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:51ab5616-c0ad-40ca...@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com...
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
every other powerful office in government to intimidate and threaten
his enemies in an effort to prevent his opposition from building a
strong threat to his elections. But, I suppose you think thats fair?
Sid9
May 24, 2013, 4:00:28 PM5/24/13
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How come Issa didn't go to jail in the auto insurance scam he ran with his
brother?
brother?
Sid9
May 24, 2013, 4:01:37 PM5/24/13
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There's no proof of your lies.
They way Republican bush,jr took the office is much scarier.
They way Republican bush,jr took the office is much scarier.
clairbear
May 24, 2013, 6:06:24 PM5/24/13
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"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:knnuir$pg5$1...@dont-email.me:
> news:56ed673d-0492-428b-b839-be87fe5f8e16@
20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com..
And that constitutes proof of your fallacious assertion on Obama's
questionable character, You prove every time you post crap like that
that you are indeed too senile for the usenet
> news:56ed673d-0492-428b-b839-be87fe5f8e16@
20g2000yqe.googlegroups.com..
questionable character, You prove every time you post crap like that
that you are indeed too senile for the usenet
clairbear
May 24, 2013, 6:08:18 PM5/24/13
to
"Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote in news:kno6pm$bin$1...@dont-email.me:
> news:51ab5616-c0ad-40ca-86a4-f5e793b062b2
@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com.
20g2000yqe.googlegro
That only prove PT Barnum was right "there's a sucker born every minute"
> news:51ab5616-c0ad-40ca-86a4-f5e793b062b2
@e13g2000yqp.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>> On May 24, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
>>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> messagenews:56ed673d-0492-428b-b839-be87fe5f8e16@
>> On May 24, 9:52 am, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E"
>>> <burtonu...@gmail.com> wrote in
20g2000yqe.googlegro
Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E
May 24, 2013, 6:17:50 PM5/24/13
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On May 24, 3:01 pm, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
> wrote in messagenews:0faca39e-a947-4630...@b2g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> "Robert Westergrom,1900 Harvey rd.,Wilmington,D.E" <burtonu...@gmail.com>
election. Too bad Bush didn't use the IRS,FBI,EPA and OSHA to go after
Gore's supporters. We wouldn't have had to listen to you bedwetters
whine about hanging chads for 13 years.
Tracey12
May 24, 2013, 6:52:53 PM5/24/13
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Stonewall Jackson? The South Shall Rise Again!
Ashton Crusher
May 24, 2013, 8:22:16 PM5/24/13
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On Fri, 24 May 2013 07:13:22 -0500, Bob <daln...@att.net> wrote:
>The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
>"I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
>"It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
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>The IRS's leaders refuse to account for the agency's corruption and abuse.
>
>"I don't know." "I don't remember." "I'm not familiar with that detail."
>"It's not my precise area." "I'm not familiar with that letter."
>
>
>Again, if what happened at the IRS is not stopped now�if the internal
>corruption within it is not broken�it will never stop, and never be
>broken. The American people will never again be able to have the
>slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
>And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
Who in their right mind currently has the slightest confidence in ANY
>slightest confidence in the revenue-gathering arm of their government.
>And that, actually, would be tragic.
>
>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323475304578501581991103070.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
arm of the federal gvt? And yes, it is tragic and was caused by the
crooks we elect and the crooks they appoint.
Frieda Horn
May 24, 2013, 10:56:51 PM5/24/13
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Sid is considered less of a liar and more of a senile idiot, possibly
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:57:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>The Clinton administration warned Rice.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go
through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point
is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton
administration to the Bush administration.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115085,00.html
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The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 19:57:28 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>The Clinton administration warned Rice.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go
through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point
is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton
administration to the Bush administration.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115085,00.html
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The DemocRATs Hall of Shame!
Thaddeus Quinlan
May 24, 2013, 10:56:59 PM5/24/13
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intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:43:35 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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>Failed to pass the FAA bill, 4.000 laid off so far.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
House passes FAA reauthorization bill
http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2011/110401house_passes_four_year_faa_reauthorization_bill.html
Sheldon Rafferty
May 24, 2013, 10:57:06 PM5/24/13
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an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:43:35 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Failed to pass the revised Patent law.
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 18:43:35 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
House passes revisions to patent law
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/23/house-passes-revisions-to-patent-law/
Debora Y. Olvera
May 24, 2013, 10:57:16 PM5/24/13
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an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:54:07 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@ bellsouth.net> wrote:
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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>Increase the Federal income tax from the low effective rate of 17% for the
>wealthiest Americans.
>from the Congressional Budget Office (non partisan)
>http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/53xx/doc5324/04-02-TaxRates.htm
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
From YOUR OLD CITE
Effective Individual Income Tax Rate 2001
Highest Quintile 16.3
Top 10% 18.7
Top 5% 20.8
Top 1% 24.1
Total Effective Federal Tax Rate 2001
Highest Quintile 26.8
Top 10% 28.6
Top 5% 30.1
Top 1% 33.0
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2009:
"Though the tax rate for Americans earning a gross adjusted income of
$1 million or more averaged 24.4 percent, up from 23.1 percent in
2008, that’s still lower than the 28.5 percent rate they paid in 2002
when President George W. Bush was in office."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/60717.html
Dewitt Hess
May 24, 2013, 10:57:25 PM5/24/13
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"Denny" is a Socialist-Communist Troll, a moderately retarded fool,
and a poor liar.
From: dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny)
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Everything you need to know about 'Denny':
>Bret Cahill <BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Holder needs to go after W. Bush & Cheney for using the IRS against
>> anti-quagmire activists and after they are safely behind bars then
>> we'll discuss Obama.
>...Those two have problems enough. We've all heard the rumors...Screaming
>nightmares, heavy drug use...leave them alone, let them suffer. Every time
>one of them see a Wounded Warrior ad on TV, their handlers have to hit them
>with the needle.
>MAY EVERY WAR-SUPPORTING RIGHT-WINGER SUFFER THE SAME.
[Emphasis mine - PG.]
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"Denny" posts a lot like a new version of that old brain-damaged idiot
"Ray Fischer."
Please note that when you reply to a Liar you encourage them to
>It's amazing how many posters in these groups don't know the meaning of
>capitalism, socialism, and Islam. News flash. Socialism lost out in China
>and the Soviet Union over the last few years. Two large countries. Do you
>expect a resurgence? And poor President Obama. He's working night and day
>to save our capitalist system, and you call him a Socialist? Unfair.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He never said he wanted to save capitalism, he said he would
fundamentally transform America.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
and a poor liar.
From: dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny)
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Everything you need to know about 'Denny':
>Bret Cahill <BretC...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>> Holder needs to go after W. Bush & Cheney for using the IRS against
>> anti-quagmire activists and after they are safely behind bars then
>> we'll discuss Obama.
>...Those two have problems enough. We've all heard the rumors...Screaming
>nightmares, heavy drug use...leave them alone, let them suffer. Every time
>one of them see a Wounded Warrior ad on TV, their handlers have to hit them
>with the needle.
>MAY EVERY WAR-SUPPORTING RIGHT-WINGER SUFFER THE SAME.
[Emphasis mine - PG.]
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"Denny" posts a lot like a new version of that old brain-damaged idiot
"Ray Fischer."
Please note that when you reply to a Liar you encourage them to
continue lying.
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On 10 May 2013 17:24:46 GMT, dzwe...@REMOVEyahoo.com (Denny) wrote:
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>It's amazing how many posters in these groups don't know the meaning of
>capitalism, socialism, and Islam. News flash. Socialism lost out in China
>and the Soviet Union over the last few years. Two large countries. Do you
>expect a resurgence? And poor President Obama. He's working night and day
>to save our capitalist system, and you call him a Socialist? Unfair.
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He never said he wanted to save capitalism, he said he would
fundamentally transform America.............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
Lindsay Shanika Webber
May 24, 2013, 10:57:57 PM5/24/13
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intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
nearing the end of a generally failed life. Note that when you reply
an actual retard under medical supervision. Sid'sd lies are mostly
intended to get attention because he is a desperately lonely old fool
to a Proven Liar you encourage them to continue lying.
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>"Wayne" <mygarb...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:j1psrq$hpa$1...@dont-email.me...
>> "Sid9" wrote in message news:j1phoj$2t7$1...@dont-email.me...
>> People who spend money they don't have.
>That spending ended at the end of bush,jr's term.
>When the Republican economy collapsed and left a mess for Obama to clean up
LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Reuters) - U.S. consumer credit shot up in June by $15.53 billion,
according to a Federal Reserve report on Friday that showed consumers
were willing to keep borrowing robustly in a tight job market.
Consumer credit shot up in June
Fri Aug 5, 2011
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/05/us-usa-economy-credit-idUSTRE77462F20110805
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