Donald "Rapist" Trump's Dementia Worsens

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| Donald Trump's brain glitches are getting worse
|
| It is going to be interesting to see how Donald Trump's
| followers react as his psychological and intellectual
| decompensation proceeds under the enormous pressure of a
| presidential campaign and a series of criminal trials.
| ...
<https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2024/1/26/24050612/donald-trump-mental-lapses-jan-6-nikki-haley-maga-gene-lyons>

--bks

[Big Trump Failure]

He'll probably kill himself.

[NoBody]

On 29 Jan 2024 12:50:53 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)
wrote:

I simply can not take anything you post since you are so selective in
what you post. For three years now you've ignored the mental
challenges of the current President and suddenly are concerned with
everything Trump says.

You're nothing more than a Russian troll.

[Siri Cruise]

NoBody wrote:
> I simply can not take anything you post since you are so selective in
> what you post. For three years now you've ignored the mental
> challenges of the current President and suddenly are concerned with
> everything Trump says.

I didn't vote for Biden, and I won't vote for him. So explain to
me Don Fatso's verbal gibberish.

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[Bradley K. Sherman]

>> | Donald Trump's brain glitches are getting worse
>> |
>> | It is going to be interesting to see how Donald Trump's
>> | followers react as his psychological and intellectual
>> | decompensation proceeds under the enormous pressure of a
>> | presidential campaign and a series of criminal trials.

| ...

| The former president has insisted that the Montreal
| Cognitive Assessment (MoCA) -- aka the infamous "Person.
| Woman. Man. Camera. TV." test he took in 2020, when he was
| president -- was "difficult."
| ...
| "If you think a dementia screening test is very difficult,
| you may have early dementia," Reiner, who is director of
| cardiac catheterization laboratories at George Washington
| University ...
| ...
<https://news.yahoo.com/cnn-doctor-trolls-trump-over-045944368.html>

--bks

[Gronk]

NoBody wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2024 12:50:53 -0000, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman)

>> | Donald Trump's brain glitches are getting worse
>> |
>> | It is going to be interesting to see how Donald Trump's
>> | followers react as his psychological and intellectual
>> | decompensation proceeds under the enormous pressure of a
>> | presidential campaign and a series of criminal trials.
>> | ...
>> <https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2024/1/26/24050612/donald-trump-mental-lapses-jan-6-nikki-haley-maga-gene-lyons>
>

> I simply can not take anything you post since you are so selective in
> what you post. For three years now you've ignored the mental
> challenges of the current President and suddenly are concerned with
> everything Trump says.

Did you know that Melania has a son? #DirtyDon told us!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49667688

"That's how the first lady got involved. She's got
a son, together, that is a beautiful young man and
she feels very, very strongly about it."

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
| will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
|
| [11-second video at URL]
|
<https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>

--bks

[da pickle]

Why stop in the middle of a sentence? Because ... ... ...

Penn sylvania /// Oh no!!!!

Context, Brad ... it is important. Who was that quacker ... er, Quaker
anyway ... right there with that Negro hater Abraham Lincoln.

Those guys do have to go.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>On 2/10/2024 10:04 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>> |
>> | Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
>> | will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
>> |
>> | [11-second video at URL]
>> |
>> <https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>
>

>Why stop in the middle of a sentence? Because ... ... ...

> ...

Because I don't change the articles I repost here. If
you follow the link, you'll see that's how it appears
in the original. I'm surprised I have to explain this
to you.

--bks

[da pickle]

On 2/10/2024 2:20 PM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/10/2024 10:04 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> |
>>> | Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
>>> | will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
>>> |
>>> | [11-second video at URL]
>>> |
>>> <https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>
>>
>> Why stop in the middle of a sentence? Because ... ... ...
>> ...

Actual comment:

Why stop in the middle of a sentence? Because ... ... ...

Penn sylvania /// Oh no!!!!

Context, Brad ... it is important. Who was that quacker ... er, Quaker
anyway ... right there with that Negro hater Abraham Lincoln.

Those guys do have to go.

> Because I don't change the articles I repost here. If
> you follow the link, you'll see that's how it appears
> in the original. I'm surprised I have to explain this
> to you.
>
> --bks

Cut the meat and repeat the crap ... that is BKS in a shitshell.

Why do you do that, BRAD? Are you aware of the cancel culture or do you
just ignore it? William Penn ... do you know anything at all about him?

CONTEXT, BRAD!!!! So many people just cut and run.

[Governor Swill]

What kind of lunatic would vote for this guy?

Swill
--
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[Governor Swill]

Bradley didn't "stop in the middle of a sentence". The Trump quote above is EXACTLY what
he says in the video.

Btw, context my foot. There is no context that would justify Trump's stupid comment.

I agree with you. Trump and his minions have to go.

[da pickle]

On 2/10/2024 7:47 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 12:11:58 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/10/2024 10:04 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
>>> |
>>> | Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
>>> | will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
>>> |
>>> | [11-second video at URL]
>>> |
>>> <https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>
>>>
>>> --bks
>>
>> Why stop in the middle of a sentence? Because ... ... ...
>>
>> Penn sylvania /// Oh no!!!!
>>
>> Context, Brad ... it is important. Who was that quacker ... er, Quaker
>> anyway ... right there with that Negro hater Abraham Lincoln.
>>
>> Those guys do have to go.
>
> Bradley didn't "stop in the middle of a sentence". The Trump quote above is EXACTLY what
> he says in the video.
>
> Btw, context my foot. There is no context that would justify Trump's stupid comment.
>
> I agree with you. Trump and his minions have to go.
>
> Swill

Swill misses the point ... just like Brad. The "video" was just that
... "clipped" ... stopped in the middle. William Penn ... Swill ...
"cancelled" is next for him.

As I explained to Brad in my response, which you missed.

____________________________________

"Cut the meat and repeat the crap ... that is BKS in a shitshell.

Why do you do that, BRAD? Are you aware of the cancel culture or do you
just ignore it? William Penn ... do you know anything at all about him?

CONTEXT, BRAD!!!! So many people just cut and run."

_____________________________________

You really do not "get it" ... sad.

[NoBody]

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:45:12 -0500, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 16:04:27 -0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
>> |
>> | Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
>> | will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
>> |
>> | [11-second video at URL]
>> |
>><https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>
>>
>> --bks
>
>What kind of lunatic would vote for this guy?
>
>Swill

Well let's see. The choice is to vote for a senile old man or someone
you just don't like. Oh yeah, tough decision.

[Governor Swill]

Yet you do not provide the missing context. Why?

[Siri Cruise]

I choose to again vote Green.

[NoBody]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 11:07:15 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>NoBody wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:45:12 -0500, Governor Swill
>> <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 16:04:27 -0000 (UTC), b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>>
>>>> |
>>>> | Trump says if he doesn't win the election, Pennsylvania
>>>> | will cease to exist because 'they' will change the name
>>>> |
>>>> | [11-second video at URL]
>>>> |
>>>> <https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1756118803501732257>
>>>>
>>>> --bks
>>>
>>> What kind of lunatic would vote for this guy?
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Well let's see. The choice is to vote for a senile old man or someone
>> you just don't like. Oh yeah, tough decision.
>>
>
>I choose to again vote Green.

Thank you for voting Republican!

[da pickle]

Yet you cannot read ... if you are into the hard left folks, which you
certainly are, Swill ... you guys like tearing down statues and removing
and renaming anything involving anything they find objectionable.

William Penn fits that mold to a tee (as I mentioned above and which you
must be too woke to understand) ...

Rename Pennsylvania without "Penn" and it will "cease to exist" ... as
"Pennsylvania".

Brad and Swill ... sitting on a swing ... k i s s i n g ...

Get a room

[Siri Cruise]

In California?

[da pickle]

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>certainly are,

That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.

Perspective.

Swill
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[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Rename Pennsylvania without "Penn" and it will "cease to exist" ... as
>"Pennsylvania".

Another fallacy. It will not cease to exist, it will simply have changed its name. If I
change my name to Barry, I'm still me, just wearing a different name tag.

Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots really believe
that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the Democrats or Joe
Biden?

Swill
--
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<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpBPm0b9de

The Daily Show streams on the Paramount network (includes Showtime, CBS
and your local CBS station). https://help.paramountplus.com/

[NoBody]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:00:34 -0500, Governor Swill
<governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>certainly are,
>
>That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>
>Perspective.
>
>Swill

Keep telling yourself that....

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 4:05 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rename Pennsylvania without "Penn" and it will "cease to exist" ... as
>> "Pennsylvania".
>
> Another fallacy. It will not cease to exist, it will simply have changed its name. If I
> change my name to Barry, I'm still me, just wearing a different name tag.
>
> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots really believe
> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the Democrats or Joe
> Biden?
>
> Swill

You really do not understand the cancel culture at all.

Words are hard for you ... "Pennsylvania" will not be Pennsylvania if
the folks you like so much get all of what they want.

If you were a reasonable but left leaning person ... you would understand.

Where is your criticism of anything ... anything at all ...about the
Biden administration?

Do you like his handling of the border crisis or do you just want it to
go on just like it is? Do you think he does not have the power to close
the border?

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> Words are hard for you ... "Pennsylvania" will not be Pennsylvania
> if the folks you like so much get all of what they want.

What do I want to do to Pennsylvania?

> Do you like his handling of the border crisis or do you just want
> it to go on just like it is?  Do you think he does not have the
> power to close the border?

I live in a border state. Crises free.

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>> certainly are,
>
> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>
> Perspective.
>
> Swill

Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
that you do not even understand the word "center".

You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
appeal to you.

The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.

What do you think comes next

WWIII
Depression
Loss of our currency
Fascism
Communism

Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
federal control over EVERYTHING?

Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
continue living different that what you want?

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 10:52 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> da pickle wrote:
>> Words are hard for you ... "Pennsylvania" will not be Pennsylvania if
>> the folks you like so much get all of what they want.
>
> What do I want to do to Pennsylvania?

You apparently do not want to do anything. Good luck with your indifference.

>> Do you like his handling of the border crisis or do you just want it
>> to go on just like it is?  Do you think he does not have the power to
>> close the border?
>
> I live in a border state. Crises free.

Really ... Montana perhaps?

[pothead]

On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>> certainly are,
>>
>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>
>> Perspective.
>>
>> Swill
>
> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>
> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
> appeal to you.
>
> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.

That's me.

> What do you think comes next
>
> WWIII
> Depression
> Loss of our currency
> Fascism
> Communism

At least in part, all of them.

> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
> federal control over EVERYTHING?

That's me again.
The more government gets involved, the worse things are.

> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
> continue living different that what you want?

I used to like my state but not anymore.
The democrats are running it into the ground.


--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[super70s]

On 2024-02-14 10:05:29 +0000, Governor Swill said:

> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots
> really believe
> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the
> Democrats or Joe
> Biden?

What name are Republicans afraid of, Transylvania?

[Siri Cruise]

da pickle wrote:
> Do you like your state?  Why not let those who like their states
> to continue living different that what you want?
>

My state has unrestricted abortion. Why do goobers demand the
power to outlaw abortion here?

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
>> What do you think comes next
>>
>> WWIII
>> Depression
>> Loss of our currency
>> Fascism
>> Communism
> At least in part, all of them.
>
>
>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
> That's me again.
> The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>
>

If you insist on relieving us from your dead weight, we can
compete head to head with China.

[Siri Cruise]

Dallas is over a thousand miles from the border. Texas is in total
panic, on a war footing, and transporting people because they
aren't white enough.

San Diego is 15 miles from the border. No crisis. We don't want to
close the border because we unfairly exploit the labour to grow
and reap our profitable export crops.

https://ufw.org/take-our-jobs/

[Siri Cruise]

Talking about sons living off their father's fame, the colony was
named after the father not the son.

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>> certainly are,
>>>
>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>
>>> Perspective.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>
>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>> appeal to you.
>>
>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>
> That's me.

"That" is a LOT of voters.

>> What do you think comes next
>>
>> WWIII
>> Depression
>> Loss of our currency
>> Fascism
>> Communism
>
> At least in part, all of them.

You may be a prophet.

>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>
> That's me again.
> The more government gets involved, the worse things are.

The "federal" government MUST do certain things ... those things were
discussed in the original Constitution. ALL OTHER "things" are for the
states to take care of. Lots of changes over the years, of course, but
the FED has gone too far ... time for the FED to back off and let the
states have at it. If you don't like your state then, you have lots of
choices available.

>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>> continue living different that what you want?
>
> I used to like my state but not anymore.
> The democrats are running it into the ground.

I like my state, but it is a small one and does not want to be in charge
of the whole country.

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 2:20 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> da pickle wrote:
>> Do you like your state?  Why not let those who like their states to
>> continue living different that what you want?
>>
>
> My state has unrestricted abortion. Why do goobers demand the power to
> outlaw abortion here?

Do you support Roe v Wade?

It is a horrible compromise, but it should be reinstated. A bitter
compromise ... but a necessary one.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>>> certainly are,
>>>>
>>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>>
>>>> Perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>>
>>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>>> appeal to you.
>>>
>>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>>
>> That's me.
>
>
> "That" is a LOT of voters.

It is but they have to understand that they need to come out and vote.

TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
train wreck for most under Biden. My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.

>
>>> What do you think comes next
>>>
>>> WWIII
>>> Depression
>>> Loss of our currency
>>> Fascism
>>> Communism
>>
>> At least in part, all of them.
>
>
> You may be a prophet.

I sure hope not.

>
>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>>
>> That's me again.
>> The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>
>
> The "federal" government MUST do certain things ... those things were
> discussed in the original Constitution. ALL OTHER "things" are for the
> states to take care of. Lots of changes over the years, of course, but
> the FED has gone too far ... time for the FED to back off and let the
> states have at it. If you don't like your state then, you have lots of
> choices available.

Absolutely.
Of course there has to be some level of regulation or else we would have anarchy but when the
government is telling me what kind of car to buy, what kind of fuel to use, that I can't use pods
in the washer etc, then it's way too much.

>
>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>> continue living different that what you want?
>>
>> I used to like my state but not anymore.
>> The democrats are running it into the ground.
>
>
> I like my state, but it is a small one and does not want to be in charge
> of the whole country.

I'm in NYS so that is self explanatory.

[Governor Swill]

That's nothing. I hear that the sun is going to run out of hydrogen.

>
>
>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>
>That's me again.
>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>
>
>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>> continue living different that what you want?
>
>I used to like my state but not anymore.
>The democrats are running it into the ground.

Then leave.

Florida is a red state, has no state income taxes and no snow.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:11:01 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>>> certainly are,
>>>>
>>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>>
>>>> Perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>>
>>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>>> appeal to you.
>>>
>>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>>
>> That's me.
>
>
>"That" is a LOT of voters.

Won't be enough to put the GOP back in power.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>
>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>train wreck for most under Biden. My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.

Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.

[pothead]

Read those items and tell us that we are not headed in that direction.
Will it actually happen?
I dunno but it doesn't too good.

>>
>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>>
>>That's me again.
>>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>>
>>
>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>> continue living different that what you want?
>>
>>I used to like my state but not anymore.
>>The democrats are running it into the ground.
>
> Then leave.

I am looking into it.

> Florida is a red state, has no state income taxes and no snow.

I've been there several times.
Too hot.
Super bugs.
High humidity.
Lately difficulty getting insurance.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 10:47:14 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/14/2024 4:05 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rename Pennsylvania without "Penn" and it will "cease to exist" ... as
>>> "Pennsylvania".
>>
>> Another fallacy. It will not cease to exist, it will simply have changed its name. If I
>> change my name to Barry, I'm still me, just wearing a different name tag.
>>
>> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots really believe
>> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the Democrats or Joe
>> Biden?
>>
>> Swill
>
>You really do not understand the cancel culture at all.
>
>Words are hard for you ... "Pennsylvania" will not be Pennsylvania if
>the folks you like so much get all of what they want.
>
>If you were a reasonable but left leaning person ... you would understand.
>
>Where is your criticism of anything ... anything at all ...about the
>Biden administration?

That he's too old.

>Do you like his handling of the border crisis or do you just want it to
>go on just like it is? Do you think he does not have the power to close
>the border?

You must be new here. My border position is well known.

Give them temp worker status. We need 5-8 million of them. Make the ones here legal. No
amnesty, if you get caught you go. But you can avoid that by applying for a temp worker
permit. They are annual and there is an application fee of $1000 which can be paid in
installments a paycheck at a time. They'll have to pay income tax, FICA and Medicare tax
with the proviso that they are not entitled to collect SS or Medicare. Consider it a fee
for working here.

As for the ones shipped to blue states, give 'em jobs and let them support themselves.
Apparently the stupid New York mayor hasn't thought of that. If they're sanctuary cities,
put their money where their mouths are and employ them.

Americans will get off with less SS and income tax and the price of strawberries will stay
down.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>train wreck for most under Biden. My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.
>
> Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
> between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.
>
> Swill

As a degree engineer things like psychology and economics as well rub me the wrong way.
Why?
Because they are not scientific.
So for example, the world economy is affected big time by who is the POTUS. When that person
projects weakness, or strength it affects the market and everything else. People don't realize the
majore effect that the US has on the world economy.
These are things that can't be measured by metrics.

Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.
The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:41:47 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>da pickle wrote:
>> On 2/14/2024 10:52 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
>>> da pickle wrote:
>>>> Words are hard for you ... "Pennsylvania" will not be
>>>> Pennsylvania if the folks you like so much get all of what they
>>>> want.
>>>
>>> What do I want to do to Pennsylvania?
>>
>> You apparently do not want to do anything. Good luck with your
>> indifference.
>>
>>
>>>> Do you like his handling of the border crisis or do you just
>>>> want it to go on just like it is?  Do you think he does not
>>>> have the power to close the border?
>>>
>>> I live in a border state. Crises free.
>>
>> Really ... Montana perhaps?
>
>Dallas is over a thousand miles from the border. Texas is in total
>panic, on a war footing, and transporting people because they
>aren't white enough.
>
>San Diego is 15 miles from the border. No crisis. We don't want to
>close the border because we unfairly exploit the labour to grow
>and reap our profitable export crops.
>
>https://ufw.org/take-our-jobs/

Export crops that are part of America's defense and state strategy.

Tell you what, we'll let you buy up to 10 million bushels of wheat from us at market rates
if you release those dissidents from prison. If you let out *all* your dissidents, we'll
add 5 million bushels of soybeans, 2 million gallons of vegetable oil, 5 million bushels
of peanuts and 5 million bushels of legumes to what you can buy.

We'll throw in a million barrels of oil and a $2M weapons credit every year if you allow
us and the UN to monitor your elections.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

My solution is similar.

1. Stop immigration completely.
2.Vett the DACA people. If no major crimes, supporting themselves and contributing to society here
in the US, grant them citizenship.
3. Revamp the entire immigration system from top to bottom. Clean house.
4. Slowly begin the immigration system with applications, no just come into the country, and have
the appropriate staff to process these immigrants.
5. Make it extremely clear that if you come here, the US is not going to put you on welfare rolls
and so forth. Get a job and work and you can stay otherwise go home or stay where you are.

[Governor Swill]

Pencilvania.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:26:06 -0600, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-14 10:05:29 +0000, Governor Swill said:
>>
>>> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots
>>> really believe
>>> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the
>>> Democrats or Joe
>>> Biden?
>>
>>What name are Republicans afraid of, Transylvania?
>
> Pencilvania.
>
> Swill

Actually democrats should be worried about Pennsylvania because Fetterman is going center instead
of far left.
The guy is starting to make sense.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
> 1. Stop immigration completely.
> 2.Vett the DACA people. If no major crimes, supporting themselves and contributing to society here
> in the US, grant them citizenship.
> 3. Revamp the entire immigration system from top to bottom. Clean house.

And the resulting Even Greater Depression will pass some day.

> 4. Slowly begin the immigration system with applications, no just come into the country, and have
> the appropriate staff to process these immigrants.

We already have that. You can apply for work visa and come on in
just the way you want. You only have to wait ten years. Because
the visa system already exists, we don't need to start over. We
just need Republicans to spend the money to process visas in a
timely fashion.

> 5. Make it extremely clear that if you come here, the US is not going to put you on welfare rolls
> and so forth. Get a job and work and you can stay otherwise go home or stay where you are.

California does some of that evol welfare for migrants. There's
not work all year round. We help them out so they stick around and
are available when farmers can hire them. Medi-Cal means hospitals
get paid rationally, and diseases like TB or polio are more likely
to be treated and cured instead of infecting rest of us.

[super70s]

On 2024-02-15 01:49:59 +0000, pothead said:

> On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:26:06 -0600, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-14 10:05:29 +0000, Governor Swill said:
>>>
>>>> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots
>>>> really believe
>>>> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the
>>>> Democrats or Joe
>>>> Biden?
>>>
>>> What name are Republicans afraid of, Transylvania?
>>
>> Pencilvania.
>>
>> Swill
>
> Actually democrats should be worried about Pennsylvania because
> Fetterman is going center instead
> of far left.

Your nasty "he's dying" or "he's mentally unstable" smears of him
didn't work out did they. Credit modern medicine and modern therapy.

And you extremist righties think everything is far left.

[super70s]

On 2024-02-15 01:40:38 +0000, Governor Swill said:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 12:26:06 -0600, super70s <supe...@super70s.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-14 10:05:29 +0000, Governor Swill said:
>>
>>> Then there's the issue of Trump's ludicrous statement. How many idiots
>>> really believe
>>> that changing the name of the State of Pennsylvania is a goal of the
>>> Democrats or Joe
>>> Biden?
>>
>> What name are Republicans afraid of, Transylvania?
>
> Pencilvania.

I would imagine they're more afraid of trannies than pencils but you
never know.

[da pickle]

On 2/14/2024 7:12 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:11:01 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>>>> certainly are,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>>>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>>>
>>>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>>>> appeal to you.
>>>>
>>>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>>>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>>>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>>>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>>>
>>> That's me.
>>
>>
>> "That" is a LOT of voters.
>
> Won't be enough to put the GOP back in power.
>
> Swill

We will see.

[da pickle]

You sound like you might "young" (and Swill sounds "old") ... I am
likely the oldest one still posting (79 soon). I have a BSEE then an
MBA and after many years in the USAF and the aerospace industry I
returned to law school and practiced for over forty years. I have lived
in Ohio, NY, Florida and now back to my birth place, Louisiana. I spent
most of my work life before law traveling in almost all the states. Your
"work" will determine where you live for a long time.

All empires fail ... many on these groups apparently do not read
anything "historic" and many seem to think that there is only one
"correct" way to view the world ... "their" way.

We in the USA have enjoyed a quite difficult history during our
beginning and middle and now we may be slipping a little into the "late"
stages. I hope not, but history has a way of repeating itself.

Read about Genghis Khan ... absolutely amazing. Rome ruled the world.
The sun did not set on the British Empire.

I do not know who will be our next president. I hope it is not Biden
and we get away from this path we are on. It is not just the president
that needs to be changed. We need to get back to a middle. Hope springs
eternal. It is who comes after our next president that matters most.

[pothead]

You've got me beat by "a few years".

> All empires fail ... many on these groups apparently do not read
> anything "historic" and many seem to think that there is only one
> "correct" way to view the world ... "their" way.

Sad but true.

> We in the USA have enjoyed a quite difficult history during our
> beginning and middle and now we may be slipping a little into the "late"
> stages. I hope not, but history has a way of repeating itself.

I am afraid that indeed we are.

> Read about Genghis Khan ... absolutely amazing. Rome ruled the world.
> The sun did not set on the British Empire.

Roman Empire I know a little about. Same for British Empire.
Genghis I know of but nothing about.
I'll check him out.

> I do not know who will be our next president. I hope it is not Biden
> and we get away from this path we are on. It is not just the president
> that needs to be changed. We need to get back to a middle. Hope springs
> eternal. It is who comes after our next president that matters most.

We do. I hope it's neither Trump or Biden.
As a nation the extreme left and right are both destructive, just in different ways.
It's why I say that the Republican party is no longer the party of Reagan and the Democrat party is
no longer the party of JFK.
I suspect we are in for a very rough ride.

[Ubiquitous]

On 2/15/2024 7:02 AM, da pickle wrote:
> On 2/14/2024 7:33 PM, "pothole"/"Sakran", lying Nazi fuck, lied:

>>
>> These are things that can't be measured by metrics.
>>
>> Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.
>> The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.
>
> You sound like you might "young" (and Swill sounds "old") ...

> Your "work" will determine

> "historic" and many seem to think that there is only one "correct" way to view
> the world ... "their" way.
>

> slipping a little into the "late" stages.

This pompous egotistical fat fuck reminds me of the late Alan Bond
(OrigInfoJunkie). Bond constantly put unnecessary and meaningless quotes around
words.

[da pickle]

Not fat but might be a little egotistical and do like to fuck ... but
what is your excuse for "existing"?

[da pickle]

I wonder if the young K can make it?

[Ubiquitous]

You're a fat fuck. The point is the alliteration.

> ... but what is your excuse for "existing"?

You don't know how or when to use quotation marks, you stupid egotistical
pretentious fat fuck.

[da pickle]

No excuse ... seems like it.

[da pickle]

On 2/15/2024 1:22 PM, pothead wrote:

> On 2024-02-15, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>> Read about Genghis Khan ... absolutely amazing. Rome ruled the world.
>> The sun did not set on the British Empire.
>
> Roman Empire I know a little about. Same for British Empire.
> Genghis I know of but nothing about.
> I'll check him out.

He was really worth learning about. An amazing man ... an amazing empire.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:33:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>>train wreck for most under Biden.

That's not true. It's rightist screed and the MSM has picked it up because it generates
clicks and viewer ship. The fact is that by any measure the economy is better than it was
before Biden was elected, certainly better than when Trump and earlier, Obama, came into
office. People are not indifferent to this. They're upset about inflation but that dog
has gone back under the porch and wages are still catching up.

The right can't depend on any perception of poor economic performance to sweep them into
office. The economy is simply too strong.

>>My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.

So, your investments are doing better under Biden but you still support Trump?
You have said Trump is a shyster and a poor judge of character, but you still support him?
No President is king. He *presides* over an executive team. Trump is a bad judge of
character, as you have said, and hires based or loyalty over competence, as we all have
seen, yet you still support him?

Your economy is better under Biden than Trump.
Trump is a shyster operating on the edge of criminality.
He is a poor judge of hiring.

Why would you support him? How many more reasons are you going to give for not supporting
him?

He is an isolationist who thrives on conflict as has been attested by many of his former
staffers. He seems to really enjoy setting folks against each other, then sitting back to
watch the fireworks.

How is this conducive to a world striving for peace?

>>>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.

>> Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
>> between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.

I'll remind you that homes are still selling well. My brother, for example, sold his
house (owned for 16 years and bought for around 80+k), for a six figure profit and it sold
within a month.

>As a degree engineer things like psychology and economics as well rub me the wrong way.
>Why?
>Because they are not scientific.
>So for example, the world economy is affected big time by who is the POTUS. When that person
>projects weakness, or strength it affects the market and everything else.

Which is WHY right wing isolationism is a bad idea. They have no idea what would happen
to us if we simply withdrew from the world. Look what happened when Trump withdrew from
Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Germany and expressed his desire to withdraw from NATO.
Putin invaded Ukraine and Xi became aggressive about Taiwan. Putin has now stalled in his
conquest and Xi is no longer ending every speech with, "And then we're going to take
Taiwan."

Violence is erupting around the world perpetuated by American adversaries like Russia and
Iran. The main reason China hasn't roused is because they're now only the second most
populous country and virtually all of its neighbors, at least the powerful ones, are
friends and allies of the United States which is expanding it's net to contain China.

The Quad: The United States, Australia, India and Japan.
AUKUS: Australia, United Kingdom and United States.

>People don't realize the
>majore effect that the US has on the world economy.

Yeah, they do. It's *Americans* who don't realize how much our choices affect the rest of
the planet. Trust and believe, EVERYBODY but Joe Sixpack understands it! Joe still
thinks the rest of the world is none of our business and vice versa. The fact is, as you
point out, the US, indeed the entire planet, is already so integrated that what we do *is*
the rest of the world's business.

>These are things that can't be measured by metrics.

They can, to some degree.

>Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.

No, we don't, and you have no objective measurement for saying so. You're simply
repeating partisan screed because you've decided not to like the guy.

A major difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden hires based on competence, Trump
hires based on loyalty, and isn't Putin hiring based on loyalty why Russia is weak,
failing and has spent two years failing to occupy a tiny and poor agricultural neighbor?

>The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.

Things are in turmoil because under Trump, the United States signaled a desire to end Pax
Americana by withdrawing from its dominance on the world stage.

This is the global equivalent of defunding the police and has allowed belligerents to
believe we won't do anything to stop them. Putin now knows this was a miscalculation
while Iran and their Houthi clients are finding that out as well.

Biden's strength in leading resistance to both the Evil Empire and the Axis of Evil has
shown why Trump should not be returned to the White House. Because of its philosophy of
isolationism and withdrawal from global affairs, the hard right WILL cause massive war and
turmoil to follow if allowed into power.

Notice that most of the world is lined up behind the West because they know that no other
planetary leadership is going to grant them as much freedom, sovereignty *and* security.

Example: Euro-Asian Trade is impinged through the Suez by a small group of terrorists.
The US and UK are acting as defacto global police by protecting ALL trading nations from
Houthi attack. Who would be doing that if the US chose not too? What would happen to
global trade in that case? The rise in prices of oil alone would have a significant
effect on inflation, production and trade.

[Governor Swill]

The hard right is moving in that direction. Btw, choose between fascism and communism.
You can't have both because fascism is right wing extreme while communism is left wing
extreme. If you can't be accurate, don't post.

>>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?

I certainly hope not.

>>>That's me again.
>>>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.

Then go back in time and enlist in the Confederate Army. That ship has sailed and you've
missed it by a century and a half.

>>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>>> continue living different that what you want?

They can, within limits and those limits are due to us all living in the same country.

>>>I used to like my state but not anymore.
>>>The democrats are running it into the ground.
>>
>> Then leave.
>
>I am looking into it.
>
>
>> Florida is a red state, has no state income taxes and no snow.
>
>I've been there several times.
>Too hot.
>Super bugs.
>High humidity.
>Lately difficulty getting insurance.

Try north Texas. Not as many bugs or heat but does get snow once in a while. It's also
windy so when it gets hot, it's not as bad as you might think. But if it gets cold, it
cuts like a knife. I've seen places in Texas where the trees are permanently bent away
from the prevailing winds.

[Governor Swill]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:49:59 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Actually democrats should be worried about Pennsylvania because Fetterman is going center instead
>of far left.
>The guy is starting to make sense.

This is not worrisome. This is what appeals to the center and that's where the votes are.
Iow, the right's fears of growing far left power are not solidly based. Democrats are
striving to appeal to the middle and that is why they've been gaining ground since Obama.

The left always votes left.
The right always votes right.
The center makes the decisions.

[da pickle]

On 2/15/2024 4:43 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:33:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>>> train wreck for most under Biden.
>
> That's not true. It's rightist screed and the MSM has picked it up because it generates
> clicks and viewer ship. The fact is that by any measure the economy is better than it was
> before Biden was elected, certainly better than when Trump and earlier, Obama, came into
> office. People are not indifferent to this. They're upset about inflation but that dog
> has gone back under the porch and wages are still catching up.
>
> The right can't depend on any perception of poor economic performance to sweep them into
> office. The economy is simply too strong.

You live in a dream, Swill.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:33:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>>>train wreck for most under Biden.
>
> That's not true. It's rightist screed and the MSM has picked it up because it generates
> clicks and viewer ship. The fact is that by any measure the economy is better than it was
> before Biden was elected, certainly better than when Trump and earlier, Obama, came into
> office. People are not indifferent to this. They're upset about inflation but that dog
> has gone back under the porch and wages are still catching up.

For ME. IOW I did much better under Trump.
I rarely follow advice from the MSM because they are heavily biased on both sides.
Regardless of what the numbers say, why are people so pissed off?
Claims of not being able to buy even the same amount of goods for even more money, under Biden?
Most people have no idea what the numbers mean but are surely capable of seeing how far their money
goes.

> The right can't depend on any perception of poor economic performance to sweep them into
> office. The economy is simply too strong.

But it's not just the right. It's the left as well.
Example, a reporter went to interview average people on the street in the Bronx NYC and they gave
her an earful about Joe Biden.
The Bronx is heavily democrat BTW.
And national polls back this up.

>>>My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>
> So, your investments are doing better under Biden but you still support Trump?
> You have said Trump is a shyster and a poor judge of character, but you still support him?
> No President is king. He *presides* over an executive team. Trump is a bad judge of
> character, as you have said, and hires based or loyalty over competence, as we all have
> seen, yet you still support him?

Not better than under trump, but better than under Biden at least in his first 2 years or so.
My 401k tanked under Biden but it's recovering slowly.

> Your economy is better under Biden than Trump.

Nope.
Try buying a house or car under Biden.
Eating out?
I can't say for FL but here in NY prices are insane even for Chinese take out and it's due to the
cost to transport the raw materials due mostly to the price of gas/diesel. It all flows down to the
consumer one way or the other.

> Trump is a shyster operating on the edge of criminality.
> He is a poor judge of hiring.

In business he is certainly out for himself.
In NYC back when he was building stuff, the unions were extremely powerful and corrupt.
You had to grease the correct palms or you would be stonewalled.

I think even Rodney Dangerfield mentioned something similar in the movie "Back To School".
Not NYC in particular but in general.

And sadly from what I can tell, Trump carried that type of business acumen into the WH.
Read his book "The Art Of The Deal" to get an idea of how Trump operates.
One takeaway is that Trump uses other people's money to develop projects. For obvious reasons.

I agree that Trump is an awful judge of hiring and people's character. TBH I can't imagine how he
could have been in business as long as he has with that fault.
Just look at his "fixer" lawyer Cohen for example. The guy is literally an ambulance chaser.
My theory is he hires yes people who suck up to him and fires those who don't.

> Why would you support him? How many more reasons are you going to give for not supporting
> him?

I supported Trump for several reasons:

1. His put America first promise.
2. Getting out of useless money sucking organizations like WHO.
3. Getting out of the BS Iran Nuclear Deal.
4. Stopping the US piggy bank for the world.
5. The border.
6. Getting NATO countries to pay their fair share. And no I would not refuse to support them if
attacked. That's stupid.
7. Drill baby drill. No war on fossil fuels.
8. Women's right to privacy. Started at the very end of his office though.

Things I didn't / don't like:

1. Capping SALT. Killed me in NY where taxes are insane. I do get it though as to why other states
shouldn't have to pay for NY's horrid waste of money. And capping SALT has helped them.
2. He spent the first 2 years dawdling around when he had the senate and congress. Big mistake.
3. COVID response. While overall I think Trump did well in an uncharted ocen in hindsight leaving
it up to the states to organize the distribution of the vaccines was a huge mistake.
4. A revolving door WH policy. I could barely keep track of who was who in the zoo. Bad optics.
5. His response to Jan 6th. While I see no real evidence that Trump was the cause of the riots, he
should have reacted much sooner and told the rioters to stand down. Big mistake.
6. The petty name calling. Yea it's funny for a while but quickly grows moldy.

> He is an isolationist who thrives on conflict as has been attested by many of his former
> staffers. He seems to really enjoy setting folks against each other, then sitting back to
> watch the fireworks.

At times being an isolationist is a good thing.
Not sure of the fireworks but I do believe he drops bombs on purpose during his speeches
It never fails to give him tons of free press.

> How is this conducive to a world striving for peace?

Adversaries are far less willing to attack when strength is projected.
Peace by strength works, especially in the middle east where those people want us all dead.

If Trump was so bad, why didn't all of this world turmoil happen under his watch?

Evidently he was on good terms with Xi, Putin and Kim Jong Un. He even was permitted to walk across
the border into NK.
That is unprecedented.
If Biden managed to do that, without falling down of course, he would be called by the MSM the next
Churchill.
BTW Putin told Tucker Carlson that he prefers Biden as POTUS because he is predictable.
That's code for weak.

>>>>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.
>
>>> Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
>>> between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.
>
> I'll remind you that homes are still selling well. My brother, for example, sold his
> house (owned for 16 years and bought for around 80+k), for a six figure profit and it sold
> within a month.

There is certainly money to be made but it depends.
But people currently in mortgages are staying put because it would cost them a lot more to move and
pay the current interest rate. Assuming they need to mortgage of course.

>>As a degree engineer things like psychology and economics as well rub me the wrong way.
>>Why?
>>Because they are not scientific.
>>So for example, the world economy is affected big time by who is the POTUS. When that person
>>projects weakness, or strength it affects the market and everything else.
>
> Which is WHY right wing isolationism is a bad idea. They have no idea what would happen
> to us if we simply withdrew from the world. Look what happened when Trump withdrew from
> Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Germany and expressed his desire to withdraw from NATO.
> Putin invaded Ukraine and Xi became aggressive about Taiwan. Putin has now stalled in his
> conquest and Xi is no longer ending every speech with, "And then we're going to take
> Taiwan."

Putin and Xi aggression began because of Biden's weakness.
The Afghanistan withdrawal was all on Biden. He made the decision to abandon the airbase, evacuate
the troops before the citizens and rely on the Taliban for security.

The bottom line is there was world peace under Trump. And if he was so incompetent as POTUS why
didn't all of this world mess start under his leadership?

They have attacked because Biden is a weak appeaser.
Even worse than Obama and his line in the sand crap.

> Violence is erupting around the world perpetuated by American adversaries like Russia and
> Iran. The main reason China hasn't roused is because they're now only the second most
> populous country and virtually all of its neighbors, at least the powerful ones, are
> friends and allies of the United States which is expanding it's net to contain China.

The main reason is because China, among others, own Biden.
Look carefully at Biden's decisions and you will see that for the most part he sucks up to China,
Iran and others.
Why has he not approached Xi about the fentanyl issue?
Anything negative to China that Biden does is way offset by the positives.
They own him.

> The Quad: The United States, Australia, India and Japan.
> AUKUS: Australia, United Kingdom and United States.
>
>>People don't realize the
>>majore effect that the US has on the world economy.

That is true and is the answer to the often asked question as how does Biden affect the inflation
rate or fuel prices in other countries.

> Yeah, they do. It's *Americans* who don't realize how much our choices affect the rest of
> the planet. Trust and believe, EVERYBODY but Joe Sixpack understands it! Joe still
> thinks the rest of the world is none of our business and vice versa. The fact is, as you
> point out, the US, indeed the entire planet, is already so integrated that what we do *is*
> the rest of the world's business.

Agree.
I used to deal with professionals all over the world and there is no doubt that they are legions
above the average American in terms of world business etc.

As an example, back in the 90's I attended a symposium in Colorado. So on the last day we all
headed out to a club for dinner and drinks. There was a very quiet Brazilian guy in the class and
he was ragged on all week by some ignorant redneck from Alabama.
So it was BAU at dinner as the redneck started ragging on the Brazilian guy.
So the Brazilian guy finally spoke up and confronted the redneck. He started with some line like
"you do know we have electric lights and running water in Brazil? "

From there it escalated to the Brazilian guy humiliating the redneck with questions like "who was
the 13th POTUS? What is the capitol of Montana? What is the Bill Of Rights? And so forth.
The redneck couldn't answer a single question.

The Brazilian guy ended with something like "see, I know more about your country than you do".
The redneck went to the bathroom and never came back. Sadly we were stuck with his tab.
It was worth it though.

>>These are things that can't be measured by metrics.
>
> They can, to some degree.

A zillion different opinions.
Unlike science where I throw a ball up and I know it will come down and how fast it will hit the
ground and at what force etc.

>>Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.
>
> No, we don't, and you have no objective measurement for saying so. You're simply
> repeating partisan screed because you've decided not to like the guy.

I suggest you watch some Youtube vids.
The guy is a basket case.
He is still trying to appease Iran for some nuclear deal that they will never follow.

> A major difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden hires based on competence, Trump
> hires based on loyalty, and isn't Putin hiring based on loyalty why Russia is weak,
> failing and has spent two years failing to occupy a tiny and poor agricultural neighbor?

So why did he announce he would hire a black female as SCOTUS?

<https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/biden-supreme-court-black-woman-pick-february/>

>>The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.
>
> Things are in turmoil because under Trump, the United States signaled a desire to end Pax
> Americana by withdrawing from its dominance on the world stage.

Wrong.
none of this started under Trump.

> This is the global equivalent of defunding the police and has allowed belligerents to
> believe we won't do anything to stop them. Putin now knows this was a miscalculation
> while Iran and their Houthi clients are finding that out as well.

Putin knows full well that Biden is weak and predictable.
He said Biden is predictable.

> Biden's strength in leading resistance to both the Evil Empire and the Axis of Evil has
> shown why Trump should not be returned to the White House. Because of its philosophy of
> isolationism and withdrawal from global affairs, the hard right WILL cause massive war and
> turmoil to follow if allowed into power.

Biden = strength?
Come on Swill, you can't be that stupid.
I get it you don't don't like Trump but Biden is a weak disaster which is why the world is in
turmoil.
Trump was unpredictable, a loose cannon if you will, so these conflicts didn't happen because for
all these players knew, Trump would launch the nukes.

Syria tested him and along with the UK he responded with missals.

> Notice that most of the world is lined up behind the West because they know that no other
> planetary leadership is going to grant them as much freedom, sovereignty *and* security.

They always do.
We have bottomless pockets.

> Example: Euro-Asian Trade is impinged through the Suez by a small group of terrorists.
> The US and UK are acting as defacto global police by protecting ALL trading nations from
> Houthi attack. Who would be doing that if the US chose not too? What would happen to
> global trade in that case? The rise in prices of oil alone would have a significant
> effect on inflation, production and trade.
>
> Swill

So far IMHO Biden isn't doing too bad with the Israel situation.
TBH I'm not even sure if what is being reported is the truth.
What I do know is Hamas started this one.
And they never would have done that under Trump because they had 4 years and did nothing.

[pothead]

The classic definitions of Communism, Fascism or even Marxism no longer apply.
Things have changed drastically as have both parties.

>>>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>
> I certainly hope not.
>
>>>>That's me again.
>>>>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>
> Then go back in time and enlist in the Confederate Army. That ship has sailed and you've
> missed it by a century and a half.

Not even related.
It's a well known fact that whenever government is involved things go south real fast.
Remember $800 hammers? Or something like that.
The US government is the poster child for inefficiency.
The private sector is much more efficient.

>>>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>>>> continue living different that what you want?
>
> They can, within limits and those limits are due to us all living in the same country.
>
>>>>I used to like my state but not anymore.
>>>>The democrats are running it into the ground.
>>>
>>> Then leave.
>>
>>I am looking into it.
>>
>>
>>> Florida is a red state, has no state income taxes and no snow.
>>
>>I've been there several times.
>>Too hot.
>>Super bugs.
>>High humidity.
>>Lately difficulty getting insurance.
>
> Try north Texas. Not as many bugs or heat but does get snow once in a while. It's also
> windy so when it gets hot, it's not as bad as you might think. But if it gets cold, it
> cuts like a knife. I've seen places in Texas where the trees are permanently bent away
> from the prevailing winds.

Been to Austin and Dallas.
Yuck.
Don't understand the fascination with these places.
Honestly if CA was COMMIEFornia, I would move there.

> Swill
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[da pickle]

This was an amazing discussion.

A good read for anyone who likes to hear "reason" stated clearly.

Thanks to both of you for your thoughts and opinions.

[NoBody]

On 2/15/2024 4:17 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>>
>> So, your investments are doing better under Biden but you still support Trump?
>> You have said Trump is a shyster and a poor judge of character, but you still support him?
>> No President is king. He *presides* over an executive team. Trump is a bad judge of
>> character, as you have said, and hires based or loyalty over competence, as we all have
>> seen, yet you still support him?
>
>
> Not better than under trump, but better than under Biden at least in his first 2 years or so.
> My 401k tanked under Biden but it's recovering slowly.

It did not tank under Biden. It tanked in 2020 under Trump. It might not have
rebounded immediately after Biden was inaugurated, but it didn't go any lower
and now it has risen spectacularly.

>> Your economy is better under Biden than Trump.
>
> Nope.

Yep. It is absolutely not in dispute that the economy has *steadily* improved
under Biden. Trump tanked it in March-April 2020, due to his complete and
unmitigated mishandling of the pandemic. Trump didn't cause the pandemic, but
his bungling made it orders of magnitude worse. It recovered some between April
2020 and January 2021, but it really took off after Biden was in office.

You get absolutely nowhere saying that the economy today is worse than it was at
its best under Trump. That simply is not so.

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 00:17:07 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:33:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>>>>train wreck for most under Biden.
>>
>> That's not true. It's rightist screed and the MSM has picked it up because it generates
>> clicks and viewer ship. The fact is that by any measure the economy is better than it was
>> before Biden was elected, certainly better than when Trump and earlier, Obama, came into
>> office. People are not indifferent to this. They're upset about inflation but that dog
>> has gone back under the porch and wages are still catching up.
>
>For ME. IOW I did much better under Trump.

"My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago."

>I rarely follow advice from the MSM because they are heavily biased on both sides.
>Regardless of what the numbers say, why are people so pissed off?

Part of it is inflation but most of it is the polarization presented in the media. For
example, why do you excoriate Biden so badly? His team is doing excellent work and I can
find little to disagree with.

Btw, "The US Navy's Wild Plan to Defeat China"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlQQwm7N_mY>

>Claims of not being able to buy even the same amount of goods for even more money, under Biden?
>Most people have no idea what the numbers mean but are surely capable of seeing how far their money
>goes.

They can see the improvement as well. Look, you keep posting Biden's approval is 30% or
~30% range. It's not but you keep posting that it is. Why? Is it because some media is
telling you this? Most folks attitudes are because of what they see in the media.

>> The right can't depend on any perception of poor economic performance to sweep them into
>> office. The economy is simply too strong.
>
>But it's not just the right. It's the left as well.
>Example, a reporter went to interview average people on the street in the Bronx NYC and they gave
>her an earful about Joe Biden.
>The Bronx is heavily democrat BTW.
>And national polls back this up.

That's questioning about candidates. Try asking them about issues _only_. You'll find
that overwhelmingly voters support Democrats.
As long as you don't point that out to them. ;)

But the moment you say Trump or Biden, they switch party support. The Republicans have
become masters at distracting voters from the real issues by manipulating them
emotionally.

>>>>My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>>
>> So, your investments are doing better under Biden but you still support Trump?
>> You have said Trump is a shyster and a poor judge of character, but you still support him?
>> No President is king. He *presides* over an executive team. Trump is a bad judge of
>> character, as you have said, and hires based or loyalty over competence, as we all have
>> seen, yet you still support him?
>
>
>Not better than under trump, but better than under Biden at least in his first 2 years or so.
>My 401k tanked under Biden but it's recovering slowly.

Your 401k tanked in reaction to Covid. That's a problem for both candidates. Covid
related issues make them both look bad because it happened in an election year they both
ran in. Trump gets crap from the left about ending his administration with job losses
(strictly Covid caused, not his fault) while Biden gets crap for inflation and market
losses (strictly Covid caused, not his fault).

I don't understand how people can NOT take these things into account. Economies don't
turn on a dime. Wars don't start in a day. These kinds of things develop over long time
spans. Further, a President is not a king. If you don't like something that's going on,
don't simply blame the "king". It might have been something Congress did, or some other
nation's policy change, or the weather or a global pandemic that sent politicians
scrambling for a fix.

The President isn't responsible for everything. That would be unAmerican.

>> Your economy is better under Biden than Trump.
>
>Nope.

I meant your investments, sorry.

>Try buying a house or car under Biden.

My brother made a six figure profit on his house and it sold in less than a month.

Car sales are doing well.

>Eating out?

No. I love to cook and can put up better food than most restaurants. Why would I waste
my money on them? That said, I was out and about one day and was shocked that two fish
filets and a small drink came to $11 at McDonalds!

>I can't say for FL but here in NY prices are insane even for Chinese take out

Get a pepper grinder and a good, sharp chef's knife and learn to cook. :)

>and it's due to the
>cost to transport the raw materials due mostly to the price of gas/diesel. It all flows down to the
>consumer one way or the other.

Fuel prices aren't that bad. They've floated back down to near their prepandemic rates
plus inflation.

One problem is that so many businesses and suppliers took advantage of an inflationary
period to jack up prices without taking the blame for it.

No problem. As a shopper I can put it back on the shelf if I think I'm being ripped off.

Most importantly, I know that inflation was an ENTIRELY bipartisan effect. It was due to
trillions being pumped into the economy to mitigate the damage of Covid. It started under
one President and Congress and continued under the next. I honestly don't blame the
government for that inflation. We all cashed our stimulus checks, didn't we? :-/

>> Trump is a shyster operating on the edge of criminality.
>> He is a poor judge of hiring.
>
>In business he is certainly out for himself.
>In NYC back when he was building stuff, the unions were extremely powerful and corrupt.
>You had to grease the correct palms or you would be stonewalled.
>
>I think even Rodney Dangerfield mentioned something similar in the movie "Back To School".
>Not NYC in particular but in general.
>
>And sadly from what I can tell, Trump carried that type of business acumen into the WH.

For decades conservatives have complained that we need to run the government like a
business. Trump proves that doesn't work. A government is NOT a business.

>Read his book "The Art Of The Deal" to get an idea of how Trump operates.

I already know how he operates. LOL!

>One takeaway is that Trump uses other people's money to develop projects. For obvious reasons.

And has failed so often that he's having trouble getting money from other people.

That said, business can be transactional, government can't. Trump was a very
transactional President.

Presidents also have to be polite and caring or at least pretend to care. Trump had no
trouble flipping off and/or insulting anybody he cared to. Fortunately our closest allies
gritted their teeth and waited for him to be gone so things could go back to normal.

>I agree that Trump is an awful judge of hiring and people's character. TBH I can't imagine how he
>could have been in business as long as he has with that fault.
>Just look at his "fixer" lawyer Cohen for example. The guy is literally an ambulance chaser.
>My theory is he hires yes people who suck up to him and fires those who don't.

Just like Russia. Hiring and promoting based on loyalty is precisely why Russia's
military is so inept. Routine gulag and execution purges guaranteed the most competent
officers were consistently cut out of the pool. (Stalin did a major loyalty based
military officer purge in the late thirties just before WW II) A million winter uniforms
turned out to be an empty warehouse and nobody knew where they went.

This is the sort of government I fear Trump would create in the US.

>> Why would you support him? How many more reasons are you going to give for not supporting
>> him?
>
>I supported Trump for several reasons:
>
>1. His put America first promise.

Which is nothing more than jingoism. The fact is Trump puts Trump first. America is just
a means of gaining money/power.

>2. Getting out of useless money sucking organizations like WHO.

I don't agree with that at all. The UN and it's various agencies perform valuable
functions at very little cost.

>3. Getting out of the BS Iran Nuclear Deal.

I disagree with that too. Yeah, it wasn't a great deal but it wasn't supposed to be. It
was supposed to be the start of a journey that would turn Iran from the 'dark side'. But
Trump screwed that up and now Iran is attacking Israel and helping Russia attack Ukraine.

If the deal had continued, we'd have some leverage on them.

>4. Stopping the US piggy bank for the world.

A popular myth. US foreign aid is a tiny fraction of the budget. That said, the USD is a
global currency, accepted by anybody, anywhere as payment for anything. And WE control
it. That's a powerful tool of statecraft and strategy.

>5. The border.

The GOP has had chance after chance to fulfill their stated desire of resolving illegal
immigration. THEY DON'T CARE. They NEED the border open as an emotional wedge issue
to drive voters to the polls who, if they vote strictly on policy, would be voting for
Democrats.

>6. Getting NATO countries to pay their fair share. And no I would not refuse to support them if
>attacked. That's stupid.

That was Obama's project. He negotiated that deal in 2014. Trump just mouthed off about
it, and rather rudely, in an attempt to take credit for it.

>7. Drill baby drill. No war on fossil fuels.

No fossil fuels. It's high time we got past combustion as our primary energy source and
I'm glad to see government leading the charge.

>8. Women's right to privacy. Started at the very end of his office though.

I disagree with that but do agree that states should be free to decide. Some have gone
reactionary and become too severe but that's up to their voters to decide.

>Things I didn't / don't like:
>
>1. Capping SALT. Killed me in NY where taxes are insane. I do get it though as to why other states
>shouldn't have to pay for NY's horrid waste of money. And capping SALT has helped them.

SALT targeted Democrats. For example, the highest home values in the nation are in blue
states like California and New York.

Lots of people got hurt by TJIA. That tax season was a nightmare trying to explain to my
clients why refunds had shrunk and tax bills had grown. It was not a cut, it was a hike.

>2. He spent the first 2 years dawdling around when he had the senate and congress. Big mistake.

True that. Would have been the perfect time to work out some border solutions, especially
since he ran on illegal immigration.

>3. COVID response. While overall I think Trump did well in an uncharted ocen in hindsight leaving
>it up to the states to organize the distribution of the vaccines was a huge mistake.

<shrug> I think the states were better able to manage distribution assuming they agreed
with vaxxing to start with. My bigger gripe was his lack of leadership and support of
crazy conspiracy theories on how to treat it.

>4. A revolving door WH policy. I could barely keep track of who was who in the zoo. Bad optics.

And you think his next term would be better? As you point out, he's a lousy judge of
character which means he made bad hires. He hires based on loyalty and that means lots of
them were like him, shysters with skeletons in the closet. The first year especially
seemed to be a parade of nominees withdrawing due to conflict of interest or some shade in
their past.

>5. His response to Jan 6th. While I see no real evidence that Trump was the cause of the riots, he
>should have reacted much sooner and told the rioters to stand down. Big mistake.

I think he excited the crowd and said things he knew they would take wrong. And yes, he
should have immediately calmed them down and sent them away. But he seems to have been
hoping that they *could* force Congress to change the election result.

>6. The petty name calling. Yea it's funny for a while but quickly grows moldy.

And it makes enemies. You never know when you're going to need low energy Jeb's help with
something.

>> He is an isolationist who thrives on conflict as has been attested by many of his former
>> staffers. He seems to really enjoy setting folks against each other, then sitting back to
>> watch the fireworks.
>
>At times being an isolationist is a good thing.
>Not sure of the fireworks but I do believe he drops bombs on purpose during his speeches

I'm not talking about just his speeches or his foreign policy. Former staffers have
attested to the fact that one of his MOs in business is to set employees against each
other and watch to see who wins.

>It never fails to give him tons of free press.

There really is no such thing as bad publicity.

>> How is this conducive to a world striving for peace?
>
>Adversaries are far less willing to attack when strength is projected.

But Trump didn't project strength. He projected inconsistency and a fickle nature. He
couldn't be trusted because you could never tell if he meant what he said.

>Peace by strength works, especially in the middle east where those people want us all dead.
>
>If Trump was so bad, why didn't all of this world turmoil happen under his watch?

Because he set it up. Trump withdrew from Syria, from Iraq, from Somalia, from
Afghanistan, he even he even cut troops in Germany and has long expressed his desire to
leave NATO. As Mitchell noted, "wherever he saw America defending freedom he withdrew and
surrendered. Even now he is wanting to withdraw from NATO and give Europe to Putin." Is
it any wonder Moscow prepared to invade Ukraine? Given Trump's reticence to give Ukraine
the aid Congress had already voted, it becomes rather obvious why Putin invaded Ukraine.
Trump had given him every reason to believe the United States wouldn't stand in his way.
And without us, the EU wouldn't either.

Thank god Joe Biden took a hard line and led the charge!

Then there's Hamas. I've said before, Obama and the EU put Iran on track to integrate
into the community of nations. Trump screwed that up by canceling the deal. With nothing
to lose, why shouldn't Iran become belligerent again?

>Evidently he was on good terms with Xi, Putin and Kim Jong Un. He even was permitted to walk across
>the border into NK.
>That is unprecedented.

And what do all three have in common? Anti democratic dictators who have sworn to destroy
the west. Except Xi. He only wants to seize Taiwan, THEN he'll conquer the west.

>If Biden managed to do that, without falling down of course, he would be called by the MSM the next
>Churchill.

Biden's team *has* managed to do that. The QUAD, AUKUS, turning Russia's two week special
operation into a two year grind that has Russian housewives and mothers demonstrating in
the streets against the war.

>BTW Putin told Tucker Carlson that he prefers Biden as POTUS because he is predictable.
>That's code for weak.

Putin's note that Trump was *un*predictable is code for 'Trump can't be trusted'.

>>>>>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.

When has that NOT been true? I've been hearing exactly that same gripe for most of my
seventy years.

>>>> Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
>>>> between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.
>>
>> I'll remind you that homes are still selling well. My brother, for example, sold his
>> house (owned for 16 years and bought for around 80+k), for a six figure profit and it sold
>> within a month.
>
>There is certainly money to be made but it depends.

Everything "depends". Always has, always will.

>But people currently in mortgages are staying put because it would cost them a lot more to move and
>pay the current interest rate. Assuming they need to mortgage of course.

Yeah, so?

>>>As a degree engineer things like psychology and economics as well rub me the wrong way.
>>>Why?
>>>Because they are not scientific.
>>>So for example, the world economy is affected big time by who is the POTUS. When that person
>>>projects weakness, or strength it affects the market and everything else.
>>
>> Which is WHY right wing isolationism is a bad idea. They have no idea what would happen
>> to us if we simply withdrew from the world. Look what happened when Trump withdrew from
>> Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Germany and expressed his desire to withdraw from NATO.
>> Putin invaded Ukraine and Xi became aggressive about Taiwan. Putin has now stalled in his
>> conquest and Xi is no longer ending every speech with, "And then we're going to take
>> Taiwan."
>
>Putin and Xi aggression began because of Biden's weakness.

That's a false perception. They became aggressive because Trump had signaled for four
years that the US wouldn't get in their way. Xi was smart enough to see that Biden wasn't
Trump so he pulled back from his ambitions. Putin, otoh, is dumb as a stump and thought
Biden was as cowardly as Trump. Or maybe he fell for Trump's bullshit and assumed the US
wouldn't get in his way.

>The Afghanistan withdrawal was all on Biden. He made the decision to abandon the airbase, evacuate
>the troops before the citizens and rely on the Taliban for security.

On this we disagree completely. Both candidates ran on ending Afghanistan. Fine. Trouble
is, Trump went, not to the Afghanistan government to work out withdrawal but to the very
terrorists who harbored Bin Laden and helped him escape. By Jan 20 2021, he'd already
pulled so many troops, it was all they could do to keep the Kabul airport open.

There was no turning back, no sending 100,000 men back in. Trump negotiated a raw deal
with the wrong people and Biden got stuck with the bitter aftertaste.

>The bottom line is there was world peace under Trump. And if he was so incompetent as POTUS why
>didn't all of this world mess start under his leadership?

It DID start under his leadership!

>They have attacked because Biden is a weak appeaser.

That is simply not true. Biden hasn't appeased anybody and as many times as you've said
that, you have yet to explain it.

>Even worse than Obama and his line in the sand crap.

Oh, right, like you're perfect and the world would be 100% if only you were in charge.
Glad to hear you're incapable of error.

>> Violence is erupting around the world perpetuated by American adversaries like Russia and
>> Iran. The main reason China hasn't roused is because they're now only the second most
>> populous country and virtually all of its neighbors, at least the powerful ones, are
>> friends and allies of the United States which is expanding it's net to contain China.
>
>The main reason is because China, among others, own Biden.

That's a right wing lie. Trump has been cozying up to the Chinese for decades.

"A Chinese government-owned company has signed on to build a theme park in a vast
development in Indonesia that also features a Trump hotel and condos, a deal that stands
to benefit President Donald Trump’s company just as top Chinese envoys head to Washington
for trade talks."
<https://apnews.com/article/9d42998d79cb41ababc4b7e4837b87d9>

Coincidentally, at this same time, Trump allowed ZTE to start operating in the US again
despite the analysis that their products could provide back doors into American Internet
systems.

So lets hear no more lies about Biden and China when Trump was riding in their hip pocket.

Btw, have you heard about this one?

(NewsNation) — A former FBI informant has been indicted for allegedly lying about
President Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden’s business dealings with a Ukrainian energy
company.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, is charged with making a false statement to a government agent and
falsifying records in a federal investigation.
<https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/fbi-source-biden-business-dealings/>

So much for your whistle blowers.

>Look carefully at Biden's decisions and you will see that for the most part he sucks up to China,
>Iran and others.

More baloney. You have zero evidence of that charge. Telling me to go do *your*
research? I think not. Present your evidence or stop making false accusations.

>Why has he not approached Xi about the fentanyl issue?

He has, but do you think Faux and other right wing outlets are going to admit it?

"US-China Fentanyl Talks Begin, Spurred by Biden and Xi’s Support"
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-02/us-china-fentanyl-talks-begin-spurred-by-biden-and-xi-s-support>

"Biden, Xi's 'blunt' talks yield deals on military, fentanyl"
<https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-xi-meet-us-china-military-economic-tensions-grind-2023-11-15/>

"China’s agreement expected to slow flow of fentanyl into US, but not solve overdose
epidemic"
<https://apnews.com/article/biden-xi-fentanyl-agreement-mexico-china-opioids-1fa57facd0dbdac714b616d705952d92>

>Anything negative to China that Biden does is way offset by the positives.

I think you can see by the above that you've been fed a line of bullshit and have failed
to exercise due diligence to confirm the facts.

I would say a lot of the falsehoods you believe are because you simply accept what right
wing media tells you is the truth without checking up on it.

>They own him.

They own Trump
"Trump's controversial ZTE order came days after the Chinese government provided millions
to a Trump Organization-tied project"

"Within three days of the Chinese government agreeing to provide $500 million in loans to
an Indonesian theme park that the Trump Organization has a deal to license President
Donald Trump's name to, the president stunningly ordered sanctions be rescinded against a
major Chinese telecom company."
<https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-zte-order-after-china-gave-millions-to-trump-organization-tied-project-2018-5>

Trump lets the Chinese spy on the US and it only cost them $500M that they'll probably get
back with interest.

>> The Quad: The United States, Australia, India and Japan.
>> AUKUS: Australia, United Kingdom and United States.
>>
>>>People don't realize the
>>>majore effect that the US has on the world economy.
>
>That is true and is the answer to the often asked question as how does Biden affect the inflation
>rate or fuel prices in other countries.

Our inflation is tamed, the rest of the world's is not. You can easily ask google "what
is the inflation rate in _country name_"? and see for yourself how much better inflation
is here than in most of our peer nations.

>> Yeah, they do. It's *Americans* who don't realize how much our choices affect the rest of
>> the planet. Trust and believe, EVERYBODY but Joe Sixpack understands it! Joe still
>> thinks the rest of the world is none of our business and vice versa. The fact is, as you
>> point out, the US, indeed the entire planet, is already so integrated that what we do *is*
>> the rest of the world's business.
>
>Agree.
>I used to deal with professionals all over the world and there is no doubt that they are legions
>above the average American in terms of world business etc.

Europeans are often more informed about American politics than we are.

My personal nightmare for America's future was exemplified in a recent survey. Asking
voters who planned to vote for Trump why they made that decision, one young woman who will
cast her first vote this year said that she got most of her news from TikTok (aka CHINA)
and other social media. She depends on social media, on TIK TOK, for *news*??

>As an example, back in the 90's I attended a symposium in Colorado. So on the last day we all
>headed out to a club for dinner and drinks. There was a very quiet Brazilian guy in the class and
>he was ragged on all week by some ignorant redneck from Alabama.
>So it was BAU at dinner as the redneck started ragging on the Brazilian guy.
>So the Brazilian guy finally spoke up and confronted the redneck. He started with some line like
>"you do know we have electric lights and running water in Brazil? "
>
>From there it escalated to the Brazilian guy humiliating the redneck with questions like "who was
>the 13th POTUS? What is the capitol of Montana? What is the Bill Of Rights? And so forth.
>The redneck couldn't answer a single question.
>
>The Brazilian guy ended with something like "see, I know more about your country than you do".
>The redneck went to the bathroom and never came back. Sadly we were stuck with his tab.
>It was worth it though.

My dad was telling Pollok jokes to dinner guests not realizing they were Polish. Finally
the guy asks, "Bill, do you speak Polish?" My step dad of course doesn't (Oklahoma
redneck) and replied, "No." Our guest smiled and asked, "How does it feel to be dumber
than a Pollok?"

>>>These are things that can't be measured by metrics.
>>
>> They can, to some degree.
>
>A zillion different opinions.
>Unlike science where I throw a ball up and I know it will come down and how fast it will hit the
>ground and at what force etc.

Humans will never behave so predictably. That said, computers can do a remarkable job of
working out what Youtube video you'd like to see next. :)

>>>Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.
>>
>> No, we don't, and you have no objective measurement for saying so. You're simply
>> repeating partisan screed because you've decided not to like the guy.
>
>I suggest you watch some Youtube vids.
>The guy is a basket case.

Biden is a feeb and both he and Trump need to let a new generation have power. Even Trump
is stumbling and rambling.

>He is still trying to appease Iran for some nuclear deal that they will never follow.

It's probably too late to restart it but then, IF we deal with them honestly and
consistently, a new deal might happen over the next decade. I always hold out hopes for
peace.

>> A major difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden hires based on competence, Trump
>> hires based on loyalty, and isn't Putin hiring based on loyalty why Russia is weak,
>> failing and has spent two years failing to occupy a tiny and poor agricultural neighbor?
>
>So why did he announce he would hire a black female as SCOTUS?

You can trust she'll be a competent justice, not a Harriet Myers.

><https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/biden-supreme-court-black-woman-pick-february/>

That's a routine political move. A way to signal he would appoint a liberal if he gets
the chance.

>>>The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.
>>
>> Things are in turmoil because under Trump, the United States signaled a desire to end Pax
>> Americana by withdrawing from its dominance on the world stage.
>
>Wrong.

Right. Trump wants to withdraw from NATO. He drew down US troop levels stationed in
Germany and abandoned international security efforts in multiple locations.

>none of this started under Trump.

It ALL started under Trump. Again, he projected not strength but weakness and a desire to
abandon our allies.

NOBODY likes him. Think about all the associates, friends, employees who've turned on
him. Over 200 Jansixers have testified that they thought Trump wanted them to break into
the Capitol and fight for him that day.

>> This is the global equivalent of defunding the police and has allowed belligerents to
>> believe we won't do anything to stop them. Putin now knows this was a miscalculation
>> while Iran and their Houthi clients are finding that out as well.
>
>Putin knows full well that Biden is weak and predictable.
>He said Biden is predictable.

And you believed Putin! ROTFLMAO! You believe Putin but not your own eyes, your own
government or media, but you do believe a murderous, child kidnapping dictator.

Look everybody! This is what treason looks like!

Biden has poured billions of weapons and training into Ukraine against Putin. Vladimir
does NOT WANT BIDEN TO BE RE-ELECTED. He wants Trump. Trump, who was impeached for
*refusing* to send aid to Ukraine that Congress had authorized. That is, unless Ukraine
would manufacture some dirt on the Bidens. Oh, by the way . . .

Special counsel David Weiss charged a former FBI informant with lying about President Joe
Biden and his son Hunter Biden’s involvement in business dealings with Ukrainian energy
company Burisma Holdings.

Alexander Smirnov, 43, is facing charges in connection with lying to the FBI and creating
false records. He was arrested Thursday at Harry Reid International Airport in Las Vegas,
after his arrival in the US from overseas, and will make his initial appearance in federal
court Thursday afternoon.
<https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/15/politics/former-fbi-informant-charged-biden-burisma/index.html>

>> Biden's strength in leading resistance to both the Evil Empire and the Axis of Evil has
>> shown why Trump should not be returned to the White House. Because of its philosophy of
>> isolationism and withdrawal from global affairs, the hard right WILL cause massive war and
>> turmoil to follow if allowed into power.
>
>Biden = strength?
>Come on Swill, you can't be that stupid.

You are.

>I get it you don't don't like Trump but Biden is a weak disaster which is why the world is in
>turmoil.

Which simply is not true. Remember what I said earlier about events not turning on a
dime? Putin invaded because his intel, which has been shown to have been seriously wrong,
and his perception of Trump was that the US wouldn't stand in his way. He didn't expect
Biden to turn 180 degrees on Trump's stated policy goals.

Oopsie! There's Biden in the middle the road with a bandolier across his chest and a
loaded Javelin in his hands. Stopping an aggressor dead in his tracks. Biden has shown
no fear in his resistance to the second most powerful military on eart . . . er, in Eurasi
. . . um, I meant in Ukraine.

>Trump was unpredictable, a loose cannon if you will, so these conflicts didn't happen because for
>all these players knew, Trump would launch the nukes.

Wrong again. I know you like the lying con man, but he's like any schoolyard bully. Stand
up to him and he'll fold like a house of cards.

>Syria tested him and along with the UK he responded with missals.

And then pulled out taking our missiles with him.

>> Notice that most of the world is lined up behind the West because they know that no other
>> planetary leadership is going to grant them as much freedom, sovereignty *and* security.
>
>They always do.
>We have bottomless pockets.

Our dollar controls global trade. You think America, instead of leading, being the big
dog, should just slink back under the porch and take a nap until WWIII starts?

>> Example: Euro-Asian Trade is impinged through the Suez by a small group of terrorists.
>> The US and UK are acting as defacto global police by protecting ALL trading nations from
>> Houthi attack. Who would be doing that if the US chose not too? What would happen to
>> global trade in that case? The rise in prices of oil alone would have a significant
>> effect on inflation, production and trade.

>So far IMHO Biden isn't doing too bad with the Israel situation.
>TBH I'm not even sure if what is being reported is the truth.
>What I do know is Hamas started this one.
>And they never would have done that under Trump because they had 4 years and did nothing.

<shakes head> You still don't get it. They didn't do anything under Trump because we had
a deal with them. When Trump pulled out, the EU stayed in. Eventually that wasn't enough
to keep it going, the deal collapsed and Iran went back to agitating in the region.

Such world events take years, not days, to develop.

One of the reasons Obama, the EU and now Biden went looking for relations with Iran was to
counter the Saudis. They perpetrated 9/11 and even paid for it. Those negotiations with
Iran were part of their punishment. The Saudis were staring down a US tank barrel - they
knew that if Iran and the west made peace, we would soon be their primary weapons
supplier. Iran armed with state of the art American weapons terrifies Saudis!

The Arabs also knew the Persians would gain influence in the Region. The Arabs (Sunnis)
have been fighting with the Persians (Shia) for centuries. Don't forget that Iraq and
Syria are, like Iran, majority Shiite and the US took out the Sunni leader of Iraq
(Hussein). The US also fought against Syria's Sunni leadership. Clearly our global
interests coincide with Iran's in a number of remarkable ways.

Iran had helped Bush in Afghanistan. They were worried that the Taliban would export
their brand of fundamentalist Sunni terrorism to Iran. They gave certain flyover
permissions and other quiet aid in order to help the US quash the Taliban.

There's a lot more to the picture than you're looking at.

A LOT more. Pay attention to all of it. Not just the bits that make you feel warm and
fuzzy.

Plans within plans within plans . . .

Swill
--

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

[Governor Swill]

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 13:18:45 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>Thanks to both of you for your thoughts and opinions.

YW

Swill
--

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

[Governor Swill]

Translation: The ignorant rednecks on the right don't know what these words actually mean
so they use them as an insult, swear words.

Communism is communism and occupies the left end of the political spectrum. For how long
have rightists been holding the 'socialist' and 'commie' labels over the left's head?

Fascism is fascism and occupies the right end of the spectrum. As they so commonly do,
the right is attempting to change the definitions of words so they can't be accused of
anything they can't sling back at the left. See 'woke' and how rapidly the right turned
something noble into something nasty.

<snip>

>>>>>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>>
>> Then go back in time and enlist in the Confederate Army. That ship has sailed and you've
>> missed it by a century and a half.
>
>Not even related.
>It's a well known fact that whenever government is involved things go south real fast.

That is a myth that Reagan spread. The proof? He ran on smaller, less intrusive
government and reduced government spending. What he actually *did* was grow government at
a record pace, almost tripling the national debt. He ran on the urban welfare queen
despite the fact that white welfare queens outnumbered black ones 3 to 1.

>Remember $800 hammers?

Yes, that was the military hiding money. You don't think we'd actually announce the
Skunkworks' budget, do you? Carter canceled the B1 bomber but kept spending the money on
the F-117. That money had to be hidden somehow so the Soviets wouldn't get wise to the
fact that we had another, more secret military project we were pouring cash into.

If you don't want your adversary to know what you're spending on weapons R&D, you hide it
in apparent corruption scandals. Not that there weren't plenty of those already (see Fat
Leonard).

>Or something like that.
>The US government is the poster child for inefficiency.

No, it's not. We get a lot more bang for our buck than you want to believe. Nobody
enjoys paying taxes but that's a lame excuse for constantly accusing the government of
being inefficient. PJ O'rourke, in Parliament of Whores, praised government efficiency at
the bureaucratic level. The waste was in the wheeling and dealing in Congress as Senators
and Reps fought to nurse their states at the national teat.

>The private sector is much more efficient.

Is that why government workers get drab offices in gray blocks while corporations appoint
their fabulous glass towers with the most fashionable woods and furnishings?

Is that why CEOs make millions a year to export jobs from their consumer market? How much
sense does that make? How efficient is it to eliminate the salaries of the very people
you're trying to sell to?

>> Try north Texas. Not as many bugs or heat but does get snow once in a while. It's also
>> windy so when it gets hot, it's not as bad as you might think. But if it gets cold, it
>> cuts like a knife. I've seen places in Texas where the trees are permanently bent away
>> from the prevailing winds.
>
>Been to Austin and Dallas.
>Yuck.
>Don't understand the fascination with these places.
>Honestly if CA was COMMIEFornia, I would move there.

Lol! Now you get the point. Red states pretty much suck pretty much most of the time,
even in their best towns. I lived in Ft Worth for a while. Didn't care for it.

Seriously though, the Civil War did damage to the south that it still has not recovered
from.

Btw,
"80% of Americans test positive for infertility-linked chemical: Study"
<https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/chlormequat-americans-positive-chemical-study/>

Swill
--

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

[NoBody]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:11:01 -0600, da pickle
<jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>>> certainly are,
>>>>
>>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>>
>>>> Perspective.
>>>>
>>>> Swill
>>>
>>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>>
>>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>>> appeal to you.
>>>
>>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>>
>> That's me.
>
>

>"That" is a LOT of voters.
>

Not according to people like Swilly. He insists that people like that
are "radicals".

>
>>> What do you think comes next
>>>
>>> WWIII
>>> Depression
>>> Loss of our currency
>>> Fascism
>>> Communism
>>
>> At least in part, all of them.
>
>

>You may be a prophet.

He's stating the obvious. The signs of all of them are here now.
Oddly the media tries to tell us the exact opposite is true. The
ignorant masses just listen to the major media and ignore the reality
that surrounds them.

>
>
>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>>

>> That's me again.

>> The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>
>

>The "federal" government MUST do certain things ... those things were
>discussed in the original Constitution. ALL OTHER "things" are for the
>states to take care of. Lots of changes over the years, of course, but
>the FED has gone too far ... time for the FED to back off and let the
>states have at it. If you don't like your state then, you have lots of
>choices available.
>

Until the government takes *that* choice away. It's coming.

>
>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>> continue living different that what you want?
>>

>> I used to like my state but not anymore.
>> The democrats are running it into the ground.
>
>

>I like my state, but it is a small one and does not want to be in charge
>of the whole country.
>
>

Libs want California and New York to set policy for the whole nation.

[NoBody]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 00:02:14 -0000 (UTC), pothead

<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2/14/2024 11:26 AM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-14, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2/14/2024 4:00 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 13:38:19 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> if you are into the hard left folks, which you
>>>>>> certainly are,
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a fallacy. I'm a centrist, just left of center. You, otoh, seem to think that
>>>>> anybody to the left of Mussolini is a radical leftie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perspective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>> Whatever you are, you are not near the "center" or you are so far away
>>>> that you do not even understand the word "center".
>>>>
>>>> You post like a "radical leftie" so that is what must be the ideas that
>>>> appeal to you.
>>>>
>>>> The "centrists" and those on either side of the "center" are the ones
>>>> that will reelect Trump ... not because they "like" or really "want"
>>>> Trump ... but because they KNOW that another four years of whoever is
>>>> controlling out nation will hasten its collapse.
>>>
>>> That's me.
>>
>>
>> "That" is a LOT of voters.
>

>It is but they have to understand that they need to come out and vote.
>

AND understand for what they are voting. It isn't a popularity
contest of who's the most attractive. The candidates have specific
positions and you need to know what they are.

>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a

>train wreck for most under Biden. My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.

>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.

Your investments, at best, are the same as they were two years ago.
Keep in mind that inflation has devalued your investment value about
20%, without factoring actual performance.

[NoBody]

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 01:33:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-15, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Economies, like businesses and women, have their cycles. Folks who'd planned to retire
>> between 2007 and 2012 felt pretty screwed in 2008.
>>

>> Swill

>
>As a degree engineer things like psychology and economics as well rub me the wrong way.
>Why?
>Because they are not scientific.
>So for example, the world economy is affected big time by who is the POTUS. When that person

>projects weakness, or strength it affects the market and everything else. People don't realize the

>majore effect that the US has on the world economy.

>These are things that can't be measured by metrics.
>

>Right now we have a limp, half dead fish as POTUS.

>The world is watching and reacting which is why things are in turmoil.

The psychologists should understand this as they study human behavor.
The "scientists" have helped create this mayhem with the global
warming and Covid BS.

Bluntly, they're in on it.

[pothead]

It happens on both sides. The terms have evolved over the years to mean different things to
different people.
And they get interchanged far too often because people do not understand the difference between the
various forms.

> Communism is communism and occupies the left end of the political spectrum. For how long
> have rightists been holding the 'socialist' and 'commie' labels over the left's head?

While the two share some common traits they are also very different in key ways.
They are not interchangeable.

> Fascism is fascism and occupies the right end of the spectrum. As they so commonly do,
> the right is attempting to change the definitions of words so they can't be accused of
> anything they can't sling back at the left. See 'woke' and how rapidly the right turned
> something noble into something nasty.

Both left and right do it.

><snip>
>>>>>>The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>>>
>>> Then go back in time and enlist in the Confederate Army. That ship has sailed and you've
>>> missed it by a century and a half.
>>
>>Not even related.
>>It's a well known fact that whenever government is involved things go south real fast.
>
> That is a myth that Reagan spread. The proof? He ran on smaller, less intrusive
> government and reduced government spending. What he actually *did* was grow government at
> a record pace, almost tripling the national debt. He ran on the urban welfare queen
> despite the fact that white welfare queens outnumbered black ones 3 to 1.

That's one example.
Both sides have played the "they are for the rich" vs "we are for the poor".
That has been the stereotype of democrats (poor) and republicans (rich) for as long as I can
remember.
It never really was completely true except for talking points and rhetoric.
But it was more true in years gone by than currently and that's because the parties were more
towards the center where now they are both extreme left or right.

>>Remember $800 hammers?
>
> Yes, that was the military hiding money. You don't think we'd actually announce the
> Skunkworks' budget, do you? Carter canceled the B1 bomber but kept spending the money on
> the F-117. That money had to be hidden somehow so the Soviets wouldn't get wise to the
> fact that we had another, more secret military project we were pouring cash into.

The Soviets and now the Chinese probably know more about future weaponry being developed by the US
than the people at the top of government food chain. The government isn't exactly good about
keeping secrets and there are probably spies everywhere.

> If you don't want your adversary to know what you're spending on weapons R&D, you hide it
> in apparent corruption scandals. Not that there weren't plenty of those already (see Fat
> Leonard).

Partially.
I'm referring more to wasted pork on projects that are doomed from the start.
Solyndra for one.

>>Or something like that.
>>The US government is the poster child for inefficiency.
>
> No, it's not. We get a lot more bang for our buck than you want to believe. Nobody
> enjoys paying taxes but that's a lame excuse for constantly accusing the government of
> being inefficient. PJ O'rourke, in Parliament of Whores, praised government efficiency at
> the bureaucratic level. The waste was in the wheeling and dealing in Congress as Senators
> and Reps fought to nurse their states at the national teat.

That's part of the problem. States that have fossil fuel resources fight for investment, subsidies
and so forth for that industry. States that have large military bases do the same.
That's why the people elected them in the first place.

>>The private sector is much more efficient.
>
> Is that why government workers get drab offices in gray blocks while corporations appoint
> their fabulous glass towers with the most fashionable woods and furnishings?

They get drab offices because there is a standard in the government that agencies need to look and
run business the same for consistency.
So the poor schlep at the IRS more than likely has the same desk as someone at the FDA.
And it actually goes right down to the color of the paint on the walls, the carpeting, where the
water coolers are placed, etc.

I once visited the FAA and while I was waiting for my escort I noticed a very thick book on the
shelf. It was like 400 pages long and was titled something like 'The US Govt Guide To The Ergonomic
Workspace".
So some study, which probably cost tens of millions of dollars resulted in this book which
basically didn't reveal anything surprising.
This is what government does and the taxpayers have no idea what is going on.

Private corporations are beholden to the stock holders and it is difficult to hide things like that
so if they are spending money on lavish items they are either able to afford it or the company is
going to become fiscally unsound.
Meanwhile the government spends, spends and the accountability is not what it should be and
certainly the average citizen has no idea what is going on unless some congressional investigative
committee spills the beans.

> Is that why CEOs make millions a year to export jobs from their consumer market? How much
> sense does that make? How efficient is it to eliminate the salaries of the very people
> you're trying to sell to?

I'm on record as opposing CEO salaries which have skyrocketed on the backs of the workers whose
salaries have not increased much at all.
As for exporting jobs, that is corporate greed plain and simple.
It follows along with my belief that the progressives want a 2 class society and it's happening
right now.
This is where I fault Trump as well. He didn't act during his first 2 years in office when he had
the support.
Yes he did start the wall but I was more interessted in his promise to close offshoring tax
loopholes and AFAIK, not much, if anything was done.
Wealth distribution isn't the solution but equal and fair to everyone tax policies are the answer.
Why should some lady making $50k per year have an effective tax rate as Forbes just because Forbes
is able to exercise tax loopholes and the lady can't due to her lower income?

>>> Try north Texas. Not as many bugs or heat but does get snow once in a while. It's also
>>> windy so when it gets hot, it's not as bad as you might think. But if it gets cold, it
>>> cuts like a knife. I've seen places in Texas where the trees are permanently bent away
>>> from the prevailing winds.
>>
>>Been to Austin and Dallas.
>>Yuck.
>>Don't understand the fascination with these places.

>>Honestly if CA wasn't COMMIEFornia, I would move there.

>
> Lol! Now you get the point. Red states pretty much suck pretty much most of the time,
> even in their best towns. I lived in Ft Worth for a while. Didn't care for it.

They both can suck. it just depends on why and how much.

> Seriously though, the Civil War did damage to the south that it still has not recovered
> from.

That it did.

> Btw,
> "80% of Americans test positive for infertility-linked chemical: Study"
><https://www.newsnationnow.com/health/chlormequat-americans-positive-chemical-study/>

Wonderful.
What next?

Here is an interesting study showing the evolution of US government effectiveness.

<https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/USA/wb_government_effectiveness/>

> Swill

[pothead]

They are spinning the numbers and counting on people being ignorant enough to believe them.
The problem is the people are suffering and no amount of spin can change that.

>>
>>
>>>> Is there a possibility of a return to independent States and less
>>>> federal control over EVERYTHING?
>>>
>>> That's me again.
>>> The more government gets involved, the worse things are.
>>
>>
>>The "federal" government MUST do certain things ... those things were
>>discussed in the original Constitution. ALL OTHER "things" are for the
>>states to take care of. Lots of changes over the years, of course, but
>>the FED has gone too far ... time for the FED to back off and let the
>>states have at it. If you don't like your state then, you have lots of
>>choices available.
>>
>
> Until the government takes *that* choice away. It's coming.

That's the big question.
They are already beating the war drums of censoring what they call "dis-information" and it's in
the best interest of society as a whole.

All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated dramatically in recent
years.

>>
>>>> Do you like your state? Why not let those who like their states to
>>>> continue living different that what you want?
>>>
>>> I used to like my state but not anymore.
>>> The democrats are running it into the ground.
>>
>>
>>I like my state, but it is a small one and does not want to be in charge
>>of the whole country.
>>
>>
>
> Libs want California and New York to set policy for the whole nation.

That would be disastrous as both places are self destructing rather quickly.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-17, NoBody <NoB...@nowhere.com> wrote:

And there lies the problem.
People still follow the old adage that democrats are for the poor/middle class and republicans are
for the rich.
The other problem is single issue voters.
That almost always leads to a poor choice but the voter has a right to vote however they wish.

>>TBH I am sick of both parties however I know that things were great for me under Trump and are a
>>train wreck for most under Biden. My investments are doing well but they were not 2 years ago.
>>If I were just starting out buying a house etc I would be screwed.
>
> Your investments, at best, are the same as they were two years ago.
> Keep in mind that inflation has devalued your investment value about
> 20%, without factoring actual performance.

They have almost recovered, not quite but a lot better than 2 years ago.
Not accounting for inflation though. I'm afraid to look :(

[pothead]

Follow the money.
I was referring more to pure science rather than cherry picked studies to prove a point.
So for example if I toss a ball into the air I know it will come down and I can calculate the
velocity, time and so forth.
If I'm studying human behavior, 10 different psychologists will have 10 different theories on why a
particular person behaves a certain way.

[Mitchell Holman]

pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:uqqlgd$fnmi$3...@dont-email.me:

> People still follow the old adage that democrats are for the
> poor/middle class and republicans are for the rich.

And they are right.

When the GOP controlled the whole
government 2017-2018 what did they
accomplish?

A tax cut for the rich.

That's it.

No curb in drug costs, no border
control, no infrastructure repairs,
no health care improvements, no social
security protections, no curbs on the
exporting jobs. Nothing the GOP benefitted
anyone but themselves and their elite class.

Why can you discharge a yacht loan in
bankruptcy court but not a student loans?



https://www.ecmc.org/borrowers/understand-bankruptcy/bankruptcy-and-
student-loans

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:55:35 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated dramatically in recent
>years.

Then why would you continue to support the Party that introduced it?

[pothead]

On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:55:35 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated dramatically in recent
>>years.
>
> Then why would you continue to support the Party that introduced it?
>
> Swill

It was bipartisan.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>It happens on both sides. The terms have evolved over the years to mean different things to
>different people.

The reason for that is that they're ignorant. They don't know what communism is but they
know it's bad so when they can't defend their position or say anything meaningful, they
just cuss by yelling, "Commie!" whether it's true or not. Same with "Fascist!" They have
no idea what it means, only that it's a bad thing. Problem is, when they say that to
somebody who DOES know what those words mean, such as when da pickle says America is
headed for communism *and* fascism, it exposes them for the ignoramus they are.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>> Communism is communism and occupies the left end of the political spectrum. For how long
>> have rightists been holding the 'socialist' and 'commie' labels over the left's head?
>
>While the two share some common traits they are also very different in key ways.
>They are not interchangeable.

You are one of the rare, few people on Usenet who gets that. Most of the cons and right
wingnuts think they're the same thing.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>> Fascism is fascism and occupies the right end of the spectrum. As they so commonly do,
>> the right is attempting to change the definitions of words so they can't be accused of
>> anything they can't sling back at the left. See 'woke' and how rapidly the right turned
>> something noble into something nasty.
>
>Both left and right do it.

The right has made an art form of it.

[Governor Swill]

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Both sides have played the "they are for the rich" vs "we are for the poor".
>That has been the stereotype of democrats (poor) and republicans (rich) for as long as I can
>remember.
>It never really was completely true except for talking points and rhetoric.
>But it was more true in years gone by than currently and that's because the parties were more
>towards the center where now they are both extreme left or right.

The most important aspect of this is that the GOP, by allying with the Moral Majority and
pushing hard on social issues, has coopted the working class to vote against it's own
interests. Cutting taxes for the rich is not going to help the working man. Busting the
unions thereby taking away any power the working man might have against the mighty
corporation isn't going to help him either.


Running up massive debt that is sooner or later got to be paid back doesn't help
*anybody*.

Now to a bit of usually not discussed reality. The USD is a global currency, known as a
"reserve" currency. There are nations that back their own currency with vaults full of
dollars. The first domino to fall in the 1997 Asian crisis fell when it was discovered
that Thailand didn't have as many dollars in storage as they'd claimed they had.

But how do nations get these dollars? By selling things for dollars, preferably with
access to American markets. This explains the US trade deficits. We send out our dollars
so other nations have them to conduct their trade in. It also explains debt. The
national debt is just a side effect of the creation of dollars to be distributed across
the planet.

Folks may not realize it but having a standardized global currency supports trade and
peaceful relations. It's also part of our defense strategy. The ignorant won't believe
it but defense is more than guns. It's shipping your car industry off to another country
so that it can become rich and therefore a more powerful and grateful ally. It's telling
a major coconut producer that you're going to allow them to sell coconuts in America
without a tariff in exchange for their vote at the UN.

Japan buys more of our debt than anybody. China is second. But these debt purchases get
them unrestricted access to American markets. They earn dollars, with which they can buy
anything, anywhere, by selling us stuff *and* by earning interest on the debt they buy
from us.

This explains why Saddam was taken out in the 2000s and why the Europeans wouldn't help us
do it, but the Saudis did. He left the petrodollar and switched to euros for oil.
Naughty! Naughty! Spank! Spank!

[da pickle]

We have been kicking the can down the road for a long, long, long, long
time ... maybe even longer. But there is an END of the road. We are
closer every day.

[da pickle]

On 2/17/2024 8:04 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:55:35 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated dramatically in recent
>>> years.
>>
>> Then why would you continue to support the Party that introduced it?
>>
>> Swill
>
> It was bipartisan.

The road is getting narrower and narrower.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 6:30 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>> Communism is communism and occupies the left end of the political spectrum. For how long
>>> have rightists been holding the 'socialist' and 'commie' labels over the left's head?
>>
>> While the two share some common traits they are also very different in key ways.
>> They are not interchangeable.
>
> You are one of the rare, few people on Usenet who gets that. Most of the cons and right
> wingnuts think they're the same thing.
>
> Swill

And capitalists are not fascists either.

Actually, Churchill said it best.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 6:31 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>> Fascism is fascism and occupies the right end of the spectrum. As they so commonly do,
>>> the right is attempting to change the definitions of words so they can't be accused of
>>> anything they can't sling back at the left. See 'woke' and how rapidly the right turned
>>> something noble into something nasty.
>>
>> Both left and right do it.
>
> The right has made an art form of it.
>
> Swill

You seem to favor one side of that art form.

Both the left and right do it. It is not an art form.

[Ubiquitous]

What a stupid meaningless comment.

[Governor Swill]

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:04:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:55:35 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated dramatically in recent
>>>years.
>>
>> Then why would you continue to support the Party that introduced it?
>>
>> Swill
>
>It was bipartisan.

I learn something new every day.

[Governor Swill]

What a stupid, meaningless troll.

[Governor Swill]

Fascism is a political system that usually includes a capitalist economic system.

Communism is an economic system that has so far, only been used by dictatorships and
authoritarian regimes. Reason being, it's provisions must be enforced on the society.

Socialism doesn't have to be enforced because it can coexist with a capitalist economic
system.

Fascism is capitalist and authoritarian.

Sweden is socialist, capitalist and republican.

The USSR was authoritarian, communist and republican only on paper.

The US is capitalist and republican with some socialist applications.

That sound about right?

[Governor Swill]

Then I'll rephrase.

The right is better at it.

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 1:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:43:56 -0800, Ubiquitous <webspe...@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 6:38 AM, da pickle wrote:
>>> On 2/17/2024 8:04 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-18, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:55:35 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All of this loss of freedom began with The Patriot Act and has escalated
>>>>>> dramatically in recent
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why would you continue to support the Party that introduced it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Swill
>>>>
>>>> It was bipartisan.
>>>
>>> The road is getting narrower and narrower.
>>
>> What a stupid meaningless comment.
>
> What a stupid, meaningless troll.
>
> Swill

ubiquitous --- omnipresent . endless . wall to wall .

and definitely meaningless

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 1:29 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:44:03 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 6:31 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Fascism is fascism and occupies the right end of the spectrum. As they so commonly do,
>>>>> the right is attempting to change the definitions of words so they can't be accused of
>>>>> anything they can't sling back at the left. See 'woke' and how rapidly the right turned
>>>>> something noble into something nasty.
>>>>
>>>> Both left and right do it.
>>>
>>> The right has made an art form of it.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> You seem to favor one side of that art form.
>>
>> Both the left and right do it. It is not an art form.
>
> Then I'll rephrase.
>
> The right is better at it.
>
> Swill

That may be true. The choices are infinite ... from dictator to
leaderless ... where are we now ... indeed.

Our plan at the beginning was divided and only compromise would be
possible. Too many seem to want "their choice of dictator" at the
moment. Either is not not my idea of ideal. Choose the lesser evil.

Controlled capitalism is the best. We have too many working for the
"government" ... publicly and privately.

Less power at the top in one person ... maybe we can get back someday.

[OrigInfoJunkie]

On 2/18/2024 11:58 AM, da pickle wrote:
> [horseshit]

Who is this stupid geriatric newbie, anyway? What kind of person starts posting
to Usenet at age 79?

[da pickle]

On 2/18/2024 1:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:42:05 -0600, da pickle <jcpi...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/18/2024 6:30 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 15:47:37 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Communism is communism and occupies the left end of the political spectrum. For how long
>>>>> have rightists been holding the 'socialist' and 'commie' labels over the left's head?
>>>>
>>>> While the two share some common traits they are also very different in key ways.
>>>> They are not interchangeable.
>>>
>>> You are one of the rare, few people on Usenet who gets that. Most of the cons and right
>>> wingnuts think they're the same thing.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>> And capitalists are not fascists either.
>>
>> Actually, Churchill said it best.
>>
>
> Fascism is a political system that usually includes a capitalist economic system.
>
> Communism is an economic system that has so far, only been used by dictatorships and
> authoritarian regimes. Reason being, it's provisions must be enforced on the society.
>
> Socialism doesn't have to be enforced because it can coexist with a capitalist economic
> system.
>
> Fascism is capitalist and authoritarian.
>
> Sweden is socialist, capitalist and republican.
>
> The USSR was authoritarian, communist and republican only on paper.
>
> The US is capitalist and republican with some socialist applications.
>
> That sound about right?
>
> Swill

I agree that sounds about right (correct).

My grief is that we have lost too much "freedom". I would like to be
"most" free while I am in my own home ... and then in my own
neighborhood ... then town/city/county ... and then STATE!

Too much being done by the federal government ... that entity cannot do
EVERYTHING ... it should stick to only what it was supposed to do ... as
stated in the Constitution. Most of us can get by without feds being in
charge of EVERYTHING.

[Sorry for the shouting ... no body is listening anyway.]

[Governor Swill]

Seems to me we have all the freedom in our homes that we can use. More than we used to.

Freedom is relative and has two faces - freedom from and freedom to.

That said, government can tend to overreact as a response to the over reaction of
citizens. Baby walkers, for example, which used to be ubiquitous, have been banned by
several countries.

[Governor Swill]

Trump isn't going to like that. He wants to be king.

[Governor Swill]

Someone who stays out of my filters.

[oldernow]

On 2024-02-19, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Trump isn't going to like that. He wants to be king.

All egos do.

In fact, this newsgroup seems little more than lots of egos vying
to be king of the newsgroup.

People addressing that root cause of so much misery and woe would
yield far more socially beneficial results than people avoiding that
inner work by way of pretending that getting political opinions
to appear on others' screens could possibly accomplish meaningful
change at the society level.

--
oldernow
xyz001 at nym.hush.com