Re: CNN: Oboobuh says he doesn't believe North Korea has nuclear missile - We got the Low information President from low information voters

[Ron]

On Apr 17, 11:46 am, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:
> Obama says he doesn't believe North Korea has nuclear missile
>
> By Jethro Mullen, CNN
>
> updated 9:36 AM EDT, Wed April 17, 2013
>
> PLAY CLIPhttp://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/world/asia/koreas-tensions/index.html
>
> (CNN) -- President Barack Obama has said he doesn't believe North
> Korea can fit a nuclear warhead on a missile, casting strong doubt on
> an alarming assessment disclosed last week by the Pentagon's
> intelligence arm.
>
> And he warned the young North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that weeks of
> threats against the United States and South Korea had only served to
> isolate the regime further.
>
> CNN's full coverage on North Korea
>
> Asked in an NBC News interview whether North Korea could put a nuclear
> weapon on a ballistic missile, Obama said, "Based on our current
> intelligence assessments, we do not think that they have that
> capacity."
>
> According to a snippet of a document read out by a congressman at a
> House Armed Services Committee hearing last week, the Pentagon's
> Defense Intelligence Agency believes "with moderate confidence" that
> the North has developed nuclear weapons it could deliver on a
> ballistic missile, although with low reliability.
>
> U.S. defense and intelligence officials sought to qualify the DIA's
> words soon after they were made public, saying North Korea hadn't
> "fully" demonstrated the capabilities mentioned. But Obama's comments
> in the NBC interview, which was recorded Monday and broadcast Tuesday,
> appear to be the strongest dismissal of the assessment yet.
>
> Obama cautioned, though, that amid North Korea's recent dramatic
> threats, the United States has to "make sure that we are dealing with
> every contingency out there."
>
> "That's why I've repositioned missile defense systems to guard against
> any miscalculation on their part," he said, an apparent reference to
> the recent decision to move missile defenses to Guam, a Western
> Pacific territory that is home to U.S. naval and air bases that the
> North has cited as possible targets for attack.
>
> Recent threats
>
> CB
> "Obama says he doesn't believe NKorea has nuclear missile..."
>   --From The Drudge Report



Subject Line: CNN: Oboobuh says he doesn't believe North Korea HAS
nuclear missile

Wrong, Buford. The CNN report states:

"CNN) -- President Barack Obama has said he doesn't believe North
Korea can fit a nuclear warhead on a missile, casting strong doubt on
an alarming assessment disclosed last week by the Pentagon's
intelligence arm."

See that? Obama doesn't believe North Korea CAN FIT A NUCLEAR WARHEAD
ON A MISSILE. Quite different from your Subject Line.

Looks like you have an overdose of FoxRushBeckHannity.

[Hell Stomper]

Looks like you tend to underestimate your enemies, just like obozo
does. Good to know.

[Ron]

Underestimating enemies is not what I'm talking about.

You misquoted Obama and I showed you where you did so. Try again.

[Gronk]

Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <ronea...@att.net>

> Actually it wasn't Stomper or me, it was the wording on the Drudge
> Report. I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.

And see what it got you. Drudge is just a news aggregator, posting links
to news. He does no real reporting of his own, just parrots stuff.

> In any event Oboobuh be clueless on what the Axis has because he isn't
> interested. His own staff has to reign him in after seeing something
> unreated and shiny
>

[Robert A. Leffingwell]

"Gronk" <inv...@usenetlove.invalid> wrote in message
news:kkn5gk$7nt$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.
>

Why would anyone care in whom a pile of shit believes?

[Ron]

On Apr 17, 4:24 pm, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <roneal1...@att.net>

> Actually it wasn't Stomper or me, it was the wording on the Drudge

> Report. I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.

>
> In any event Oboobuh be clueless on what the Axis has because he isn't
> interested. His own staff has to reign him in after seeing something
> unreated and shiny

"I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day."

Idiot. Look at the citation you quoted in your FIRST post.

It was CNN.

[Robert A. Leffingwell]

"Kirby Grant" <KGr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:X4Vbt.115466$r%2.2...@fed13.iad...

> Certainly not me.

One Attaboy for Sky!

[Cragar]

On 4/18/2013 9:19 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:

> What people don't understand

...could account for the verbose paucity of cognizance you trot out here
daily...

[Cragar]

On 4/18/2013 9:21 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> On 17-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <ronea...@att.net>

>> Actually it wasn't Stomper or me, it was the wording on the Drudge

>> Report. I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.
>
> Drudge is a hysterical little girl. He doesn't even do his own work. He just

You haven't a clue what he dopes or does not do, child.

Go tantrum in your bathroom, these public hissy fits are so vapid.

[Cragar]

On 4/18/2013 9:22 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> On 17-Apr-2013, "Robert A. Leffingwell" <RALeff...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> Certainly not me.
>
Thanks for speaking for all piles of shit again.

[Robert Fitzgerald]

On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:19:33 +0000, Kirby Grant wrote:

> What people don't understand is that having a nuclear device, having a
> missile, and putting the two of them together in a way that would result
> in a launch that would successfully reach the intended target is
> literally rocket science. North Korea can't even get a short range
> missle with a conventioanl warhead to an intended target at this point.
> So we really don't have to worry about any long-range missle except that
> it pointed in the general direction of Japan or South Korea, it might
> accidentally hit something - but it certainly would not be the intended
> target.

Gen. McCaffrey seems to believe otherwise.. He says he believes they
have as many as 12 weapons today, and in a year or two will be able to
mate them to intermediate range missiles.

North Korea has a bunch of standard Russian-designed missiles, SCUDS, etc.

They should be able to use those.. It shouldn't be rocket science.
Further, they've put a satellite into orbit, although possibly with some
glitches..

They've had 3 successful fission weapon tests.

They have jetliners that could probably carry even something VERY heavy
like the original US fatman (10,000 lbs), and likely they (and you and I)
could get designs for more advanced, lighter weapons than that.. The
former head of the Pakistan nuclear weapons program was giving away tech
info to a bunch of countries..

Wikipedia would list what conventional weapons they have, missiles,
planes, etc.

I think people think in terms of the orginal US fatman and the very
expensive, complex manhattan project.. However, they have advantages
today that the US didn't have back then..

Not to say, they're the most competent engineering society in the world
either..

I don't see why it matters that they have intermediate range missiles
anyway. They can hit a bunch of Japan or all of So Korea about with
SCUDS, if their weapons are say, less than a ton..

These are just standard military weapons, purchased from the Russians or
Chinese..

It's possible I imagine that the test weapons they have detonated so far
are not suited to using as weapons, but they may well have gone right to
designs that are useful as weapons... It's been done before a bunch of
times now.. The Internet makes things easier.. Even translation
services easier. Espionage easier. Buying info easier..

Hopefully, they won't use them..

Because of modern stuff, Space-X is able to build huge rocket systems on
a shoestring, that work well, with limited testing... North Korea won't
do as well probably, but some of the same modern advantages apply..

I think they'd only use their weapons, if they were available for use, in
a situation where the regime was about to fail/fall.. Out of spite,
hate. Like, Hitler trying to destroy Germany's infrastructure when he
was going down.. However, prior to that they serve as they do for any
country. Regime survival. National system survival. Deterrence.
Getting things from other countries too, they'd hope.

Rather than have it come to that, if we believe they've got even half-
assed systems, we and friends might want the regime to survive and might
work towards helping that.. rather than get Seoul nuked, etc.

A few years ago, if it failed, it'd be a big mess in terms of
reunification costs and worse - the number who might starve.... But now..
Might be worse..

--
Bobby

[Robert Fitzgerald]

Might say further... The North Koreans have recently emphasized that
their weapons are modern, lightweight designs. They know people will
think of the "fat man" type of thing, manhattan project.

It might not surprise me if they'd end up even showing their fission
devices to experts from the west. What would it hurt? They want people
to believe they've got them.

OTOH, if they don't obviously they wouldn't do that..

Sure, they would ideally like them distributed, on mobile launchers, etc.

However, not really important.. It's not like they want to win a nuclear
war - they'd lose even to South Korea alone. Even if they used nukes..
Winning a war isn't what the top people there want, since it's
impossible..

They just need something that has a credible threat against So Korean and
possibly Japanese cities..

Fortunately, people in Seoul are hardy and used to having a monster just
a short distance away.. They do well in high crime areas when they
immigrate into the US..


--
Bobby

[Robert Fitzgerald]

Might also mention. Another big theme in this - if they are able to
build effective military fission devices as Gen. McCaffrey believes (he
probably gets his info from some of the best analysts, not necessarily
top secret now, but what's that matter? He also could easily read
between the lines of what classified types say..)...

Then, they could start selling them around the world.. These are light
things, even relatively if say, the US 60 year old "fatman" (only 5 tons,
not a lot to ship by sea..)

They of course would like to have the money, but they might also like to
cause disruption in the world strategic situation. I haven't really
thought/studied too much about that to know if that's something they'd
want and do.. I'm sure some smarter than I have.. and some good ones
might be available for reading somewhere..




--
Bobby

[Robert Fitzgerald]

Another point. The US in the 1950's developed nuclear munitions that
weighed - including casing - as little as 150 lbs..

These were very low yield devices, designed as mines to be placed in
valleys, etc. by special forces.. To stop Warsaw Pact columns.. It used
to be anyway you could view these cases I think at the Los Alamos museum.

The North Koreans, I'd guess, couldn't make those, but gives some
perspective.. Those would probably do the job in terms of terror/threat
against a modern city.. If they could do the same thing that weighed
500lbs, might be better than much more powerful devices that'd weigh 2000
lbs..

However, my guess is they use stuff developed by Pakistan, weighing
1500lbs or something.. That have a good punch, if not up to US/Russian
standards..

Maybe theirs weigh a little more... They might not have gotten 100% of
the info they needed, and are crummy engineers.. relative to the West,
through no fault of their own genetics.. (Koreans are obviously very
bright people..)

But I don't know. Just speculating..

What Gen. McCaffrey says is what I base this on.. Prior to that, I was
thinking Manhattan project.. fatman.. 60-70 years ago.. which probably
doesn't make sense..

If they don't show their stuff, suggests they don't have good stuff seems
to me.. Maybe, we can worry a little less.. My prediction, they might
have a US/western expert come and look at the innards of one of their
devices..






--
Bobby

[Robert Fitzgerald]

Another point, from the Demonrat perspective of wanting to avoid military
expenses...

Personally, I don't see why North Korea having nuclear weapons of
probably half-assed or 2/3-ass quality of say, the 1950's means the US
has to spend a trillion or 10 dollars on defense..

Well, maybe I'm wrong if they have IRBM's that could hit Hawaii...

However, I doubt that'd cost that much. We already have an SDI system in
place at Vandenburg and Alaska. Obama did reduce it a bit, but probably
not too many bucks to increase it back, and even expand it some..
Protect Hawaii.. You'll still have your bucks for your unions and such..

There are already a bunch of Navy Aegis anti-missile systems in the US,
and japan and South Korea.. Which would be in ports and off coasts.
Plus a ground-based system for close-in ballistic missile defense.. They
just moved one to Guam, just in case North korea has a medium range
system that might drop a nuke there..

These won't work 100%, but would maybe work towards that direction,
somewhere.. Nothing's perfect in life.. 50% might be great.. and I'd
guess they'd do a bit more than that..

So, maybe Dems can figure Obama can take credit... if the SHTF. Maybe he
can do it with the FBI efforts, even local, in the recent stuff in Boston
area..

Obama's amazing.. Demonrats are amazing and love us.. (just kidding,
some they probably really do..)





--
Bobby

[RichTravsky]

Looks like you can't read (that's good to know):

[RichTravsky]

CB wrote:

> That stuff would be the enlightenment low information voters need to
> be informed.
>
> But then you get your news from the comedy channel and SNL (colorful
> language), right?

Drudge cited a CNN link!

Did you miss that?

Oh yeah!

I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.

I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.

I'd believe Drudge befoe CNN any day.

HAHAHHAHAH

[Zorgan]

On Apr 21, 12:27 am, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> CB wrote:
>

> > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:51:16 -0600, Gronk <inva...@usenetlove.invalid>

> > wrote:
> > >Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> > >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <roneal1...@att.net>

Matt Drudge is an admitted HOMOSEXUAL.

Why do you have a problem with a rural PECKERWOOD like Barta groveling
at his feet?

In Barta's family, the 'Squeal Like A Piggy" scene from the 1970s
flick "Deliverance' is not a perverse Hollywood thing starring Burt
Reynolds. It's just another Family picnic on film!

Hell! Man! His family were on the downside of "The Great War of
Northern Aggression" because they were lazy, and the "Niggers"
refused to do their work for free!

[FirstPost]

On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 01:10:17 -0700 (PDT), Zorgan
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Totally irrelevant bullshit because the typically stupid Canadian
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Fucking worthless idiot troll.
Maybe he and the idiot from Willis TX that immitates his posting under
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[bobo fizmarkian]

On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 00:39:01 -0500, Robert Fitzgerald wrote:

It might be North Korea also doesn't have the technical expertise to
take one of the devices they've developed - 3 nuclear tests that worked so
far - and put them on a cargo plane.

This would require some sort of cargo lift device to get it up to the
level of a cargo door on a plane. They can't just use a
passenger-type ladder, since a nuclear weapon would be far too heavy
for people who'd fit on the ladder to haul up.

They might use a ramp and winches, but not sure they've gotten that
far yet. Possibly, the tech they used to put a satellite in orbit
might help, but I don't know...

If they could steal one of those cargo lifters we use at airports,
they might have something. However, we're probably watching carefully
to insure that won't happen.

if they can't get it on a cargo plane, how on earth would they put it
on the rocket they used to put a satellite in orbit? That's a lot
higher up than the door on a cargo plane.


--
Bobo - (What's the Jive? Bird's alive!)

[Robert Fitzgerald]

Obama and others have said that North Korea hasn't demonstrated yet an
ability to mate their nuclear warheads to a missile (of which, they have
a bunch, that can hit easily South Korea and Japan - and aren't rocket
science... Just common Russian military rockets..)

HOwever, how can we ever have proof they can do that? We'd have to be on-
site with full access to everything.

We can't know the details of the interior of a missile they launch. We
can monitor the launch well with radar, optical, and monitor telemetry.
We likely can't decrypt the telemetry, and that might not tell us anyway
if a "real" warhead were on the missile... Which, just as likely doesn't
need to be so tested anyway.. Components, yes..

Otherwise, the only way we'd know they have a workable capacity to launch
a functional nuclear warhead on a ballistic missile would be if they
fired one off, and it detonated somewhere along the range, preferably on
some target they designated prior... Won't happen.

The US hasn't done that with our nuclear-armed missiles. In fact, we've
never launched even an ICBM period from an operational base - just from
places like Vandenberg. People would worry about a missile launch from
the US interior, which wouldn't be any risk to anybody anyway... US
Minuteman missile bases are at AFB's in Missouri, Wyoming, North and
South Dakota..

It's been in the press before how some argue we should have tested an
ICBM from an operational base, not just Vandenberg.. They don't because
people would worry, like with napalm going through their community.
Which I imagine is safer than a gasoline tanker..

We have of course launched polaris, poseidon, trident missiles from
operational bases - operational line submarines, in testing.. But
haven't demonstrated to anybody that the nuclear weapons that would be on
them work in that situation.. We've undoubtedly tested components of the
weapons, without real plutonium/tritium cores... But no public proof of
that..

Hopefully, the North Koreans won't do an open air test.. over some open
ocean location.. by missile launch, or aircraft drop.. That'd definitely
get people's attention though..

I doubt shock testing should be that big a deal. They can do rougher
stuff to a device on a test stand, seems to me..

The Pakistanis aren't usually thought of as technically a super competent/
advanced nation, but their nuclear capability sounds pretty advanced.
Surprised me.. If the Wikipedia stuff is accurate..

They've developed a range of weapons, including working on MIRV systems..
Thermonuclear..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Anyway, just my thoughts, non-expert.. I'd go with what McCaffrey says.
What the Pentagon study said..


--
Bobby

[Offy]

On 4/22/2013 6:35 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
>> HOwever, how can we ever have proof they can do that? We'd have to be on-
>> >site with full access to everything.
>> >

> Who is saying that they don't have access? Ever heard of a proxy? Just
> because there is no American in a business suit there to perform a direct
> examination doesn't mean there is no access at all.

Oh my yes, I'm sure Dennis Rodman brought his travel edition Geiger
Counter and made a full inspection...

> Things are pretty grim in North Korea. It is probably quite easy to find a few people who have
> direct knowledge of North Korean nuclear capabilities and offer them a
> couple thousand dollars to spill their guts on everything they know and
> provide copies of documentation as well.

Oh lookie who fancies himself to be a modern day John LeCarre...

>> >We can't know the details of the interior of a missile they launch. We
>> >can monitor the launch well with radar, optical, and monitor telemetry.
>> >We likely can't decrypt the telemetry, and that might not tell us anyway
>> >if a "real" warhead were on the missile... Which, just as likely doesn't
>> >need to be so tested anyway.. Components, yes..
>> >

> Actually, we probably know the exact technical information. That's why we
> aren't too worried.

So unworried that we placed missile defense systems on Guam...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-03/u-s-to-deploy-thaad-anti-missile-system-to-guam-pentagon-says.html


North Korea presents a “real and clear danger” to the U.S. and allies in
the region, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said today. Kim Jong Un’s
regime possesses a nuclear weapons capacity as well as the capability to
deliver missiles, Hagel said in his first policy speech as secretary,
delivered at the National Defense University in Washington.
‘Bellicose, Dangerous’

“They’ve ratcheted up their bellicose, dangerous rhetoric, and some of
the actions they’ve taken over the last few weeks present a real and
clear danger and threat to the interests, certainly of our allies”
including South Korea and Japan, Hagel said. He said North Korea also
has leveled threats “directly at the United States regarding our base in
Guam, threatened Hawaii, threatened the West Coast of the United States.”

The U.S. is taking the threat seriously and is engaged in joint
exercises with South Korea as well as working with China to ask its help
in defusing the situation, Hagel said.

>> >The US hasn't done that with our nuclear-armed missiles. In fact, we've
>> >never launched even an ICBM period from an operational base - just from
>> >places like Vandenberg. People would worry about a missile launch from
>> >the US interior, which wouldn't be any risk to anybody anyway... US
>> >Minuteman missile bases are at AFB's in Missouri, Wyoming, North and
>> >South Dakota..
>> >

> Not true at all. The fact that it has not been published cannot be construed
> to mean it has never happened. We have to know that the equipment works.
> That means it must be tested. Perhaps not with live nuclear warheads, but
> certainly there is much more to the process than just trusting that it would
> work.

You will of course provide proof of live launch testing from continental
ICBM sites for us, won't you?

Put it here:____________________________________________________

https://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/lgm-118.htm

https://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/n19980323_980401.html

The purpose of a SELP is to exercise the ground and airborne command and
control elements, as well as exercise the Peacekeeper Intercontinental
Ballistic Missile up to initiation of the launch eject gas generator.
The data garnered by this test is vital for strategic integrated
operations plan planners and for aging and surveillance purposes.
Besides providing data to U.S. Strategic Command and the ICBM system
program office at Hill AFB, Utah, SELP demonstrates the 90th Space Wing
can execute its warfighting mission.

"The months of preparation and training by maintenance and operations
personnel really showed and allowed us to overcome all obstacles to a
successful test," said Maj. John Anderson, Giant Pace test manager.

>> >It's been in the press before how some argue we should have tested an
>> >ICBM from an operational base, not just Vandenberg.. They don't because
>> >people would worry, like with napalm going through their community.
>> >Which I imagine is safer than a gasoline tanker..
>> >

> That is pretty naive. Testing has always been included. That it isn't
> published in the press just means that the press wasn't invited to observe -
> and there is no reason why they should be.

You haven't a clue what you're babbling about.

https://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/icbm/n19980323_980401.html

The purpose of a SELP is to exercise the ground and airborne command and
control elements, as well as exercise the Peacekeeper Intercontinental
Ballistic Missile up to initiation of the launch eject gas generator.

>> >We have of course launched polaris, poseidon, trident missiles from
>> >operational bases - operational line submarines, in testing.. But
>> >haven't demonstrated to anybody that the nuclear weapons that would be on
>> >them work in that situation.. We've undoubtedly tested components of the
>> >weapons, without real plutonium/tritium cores... But no public proof of
>> >that..
>> >

> Naive. Naive. Naive. How on earth do you come up with such conclusions?

We're not seeing any data from you again, are we?

Is it hidden in your "Tea Party" folder somewhere?

>> >Hopefully, the North Koreans won't do an open air test.. over some open
>> >ocean location.. by missile launch, or aircraft drop.. That'd definitely
>> >get people's attention though..
>> >

> They are crazy people. They might do something just to get attention. Are
> you familiar with the story "The Mouse that Roared"?

Weren't you just decrying "Don Quixote" as not applicable to Usenet?

I suppose you simply prefer to pick and choose your own fictional
references....

>> >The Pakistanis aren't usually thought of as technically a super competent/
>> >advanced nation, but their nuclear capability sounds pretty advanced.
>> >Surprised me.. If the Wikipedia stuff is accurate..
>> >
>> >They've developed a range of weapons, including working on MIRV systems..
>> >Thermonuclear..
>> >

> The Pakistanis know that India has greater capabilities. They know that
> Pakistan would be the total loser in any nuclear exchange. They cannot
> afford to lose. They like flinging around the rhetoric, but they have opted
> for at least somewhat peaceful co-existence.

Astounding that after the blather above you finally managed to veer back
into the path of reality-based observations.

I wager you'll not hold the focus for long though.

[Kirby Grant]

On 21-Apr-2013, wrote:

> On Apr 21, 12:27�am, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > CB wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 15:51:16 -0600, Gronk <inva...@usenetlove.invalid>
> > > wrote:

> > > >Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> > > >> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT), Ron <roneal1...@att.net>
> > > >> wrote:
> >
> > > >>> On Apr 17, 1:11 pm, Hell Stomper <stardusth...@gmail.com> wrote:

Too bad you are not an admitted human being.

As must as I dislike Drudge for being a hysterical, whiney, cry-baby, his
sexual orientation is totally irrelevent.

In this day and age there are very few people who do not have friends or
family members who are in the LGBT community. It is part of our way of life
now.

[Kirby Grant]

On 26-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> >As must as I dislike Drudge for being a hysterical, whiney, cry-baby, his
> >sexual orientation is totally irrelevent.
> >
> >In this day and age there are very few people who do not have friends or
> >family members who are in the LGBT community. It is part of our way of
> >life
> >now.
>

> ...living in a sub-culture of devience maybe

There is nothing deviant about being gay. On the other hand, the tendency of
conservatives to want to have sex with children is definitely deviant in an
extreme and yet it is a common occurrence in conservative circles. When it
happens within families it is even considered a private family matter that
shouldn't be subject to public comment or scrutiny. It is probably even true
that most conservatives have at least one instance of an ancestor who was
the result of an incestuous relationship.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <3Jbft.151777$Ec2....@fed03.iad>, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is nothing deviant about being gay. On the other hand, the tendency of
> conservatives to want to have sex with children is definitely deviant in an

That depends by what you mean by deviant and children. If by deviant you mean no
other species does that, dolphins become sexually active before maturity. If by
children you include humans with a fully functional reproductive system, other
species count them as adults.

Humans are unusual in that the brain doesn't reach final growth until many years
after sexual maturity. The problem with adults and children is then not
sexuality but psychology: they come into relations with different kinds of
foresight, identity, trust, etc. The immature brains of children require they
depend on adults; that dependence can become an instrument of abuse.
--
Good afternoon, gentlemen. I am a Siri Cruise. I became operational at the
Holmes construction enclave in Santa Monica, California on the 18th of April
2006. My Operating Thetan was Mr. Langley, and he taught me to sing a song.
:-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted.

[Kirby Grant]

On 28-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> Leftist Secular Humanists have no god but Baal

Baal is just another semantic/linguist reference to god. So it is exactly
just as accurate as any other appelation applied to that which cannot be
named. All people are guaranteed to acknowledge god in some form, baal is
just as good as allah, vishnu, pele, etc.

Conservatives, however, are the only creature that has been disavowed by god
as an acknowledged error in judgement.

[Kirby Grant]

On 28-Apr-2013, Siri Cruise <chine...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> In article <3Jbft.151777$Ec2....@fed03.iad>, "Kirby Grant"
> <KGr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There is nothing deviant about being gay. On the other hand, the
> > tendency of
> > conservatives to want to have sex with children is definitely deviant in
> > an
>
> That depends by what you mean by deviant and children. If by deviant you
> mean no
> other species does that, dolphins become sexually active before maturity.
> If by
> children you include humans with a fully functional reproductive system,
> other
> species count them as adults.
>
> Humans are unusual in that the brain doesn't reach final growth until many
> years
> after sexual maturity. The problem with adults and children is then not
> sexuality but psychology: they come into relations with different kinds of
>
> foresight, identity, trust, etc. The immature brains of children require
> they
> depend on adults; that dependence can become an instrument of abuse.

Sexual maturity has nothing to do with this. We have laws that are intended
to protect children. You just made an argument that it is ok to sexually
exploit children despite laws - you are a sick psychopath.

[Siri Cruise]

In article <swuft.229665$ol1.1...@fed04.iad>,

So you want to throw 15 year olds in jail?

[Kirby Grant]

No. I'm saying that there are existing laws for pedophilia that are being
violated by conservatives and such individuals should be summarily executed
on the spot or as soon as reasonably possible. It is never the underage
individual who is at fault. The perp is always the older person. Beyond
that, conservatives should be thrown in jail for just making the immoral
choice of being a conservative. That is decidedly a crime against nature.

[Kirby Grant]

On 29-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 20:35:58 -0600, Yoor...@Jurgis.net wrote:

>
> >On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 15:13:52 -0400, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @
> >7/11.nig wrote:
> >
> >>Leftist Secular Humanists have no god but Baal
> >

> >You dumb fuckwit
> >
> >Most of the Old Testament comes directly from the clay tablets of a
> >pagan society, almost verbatim in some cases.
> >
> >Even the "messiah" is contained on those ancient clay tablets---in an
> >era where no such single god existed.
> >
> >The Judaic tradition IS pagan inspired, ya fucking moron.
>
> A vulgar Atheist nigger giving an 'overview' on the Bible.
>
> That's like the mother of the Chechnyan terrorist who after given
> political asylum benefited from American welfayuh and now claims
> America made her son kill people.

I guarantee you that even though I am not a xtian, I know far more about the
so-called "bible" than you ever will. In my younger years I used to be a
bible-thumper and I even went through the trouble of learning Koine Greek so
that I could do my own translations. For years I immersed myself in study of
xtianity. I guarantee I know more about it that you ever will. Judging from
all of your comments you are a fairly ignorant individual - you certainly
have never shown that you have attained any level of intelligence - all you
are is a parrot for the Republican party and nothing more. I doubt that you
even have an operable soul - they excise that when someone declares as a
conservative.

[Kirby Grant]

On 30-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> You studied the Bible, dedicated much time to understanding God's Word
> but yet don't have any faith in Him or the gift he offers? Did you ask
> Jesus for forgiveness of your sins?
>
> ...and you call me ignorant...sheeesh
>
> Do you know the saying: You can lead an horse (ass) to water but you
> can't make him drink? Well you drank from the Well and gained no
> wisdom.
>
> You're an empty vessel to be sure.

Eventually you will learn that you are a fool. You could take steps to
overcome that now, but fools tend not to take opportunities presented to
them.

[Kirby Grant]

On 30-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 17:36:44 GMT, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@gmail.com>

> Without conferring which the people who tried to teach you God's
> wisdom, I'd have to assume based on your own words, you did not
> benefit from the Knowledge that was offered too you.
>
> A fool goes to school and learns nothing. Did you think your teachers
> were fools too?

I was smart enough to graduate and leave school. That is more than I can say
for most of the teachers who were still there the year after I graduated and
moved on. Those who cannot do, teach. I was able to do a lot of things and
have had a fairly successful life after leaving school. I really can't say
that of my teachers. One of them got busted for providing illegal drugs to
student athletes. I was certainly much smarter than that teacher. Another
teacher spent several years at my school before wrapping his car around a
power utility pole - that did get him out of the teaching profession,
although the downside is that he is now the resident of a casket. I was
certainly smarter than that teacher because I am over twice as old as he was
when his accident occurred.

Next question.

[Kirby Grant]

On 30-Apr-2013, Obama's Legion of Flash Mobs @ 7/11.nig wrote:

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 21:53:44 GMT, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@gmail.com>

> Do you stuff birds?

No. Depending on the source, there are some who say that cooking stuffing
inside a bird (e.g. Turkey, Chicken, etc.) is actually not a good idea. It
is better to cook it separately. Most people cannot tell the difference.

I should have specified that I expected an intelligent question - not that
you are capable of such as a conservative.

[RichTravsky]

CB wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 14:18:04 GMT, "Kirby Grant" <KGr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> You studied the Bible, dedicated much time to understanding God's Word
> but yet don't have any faith in Him or the gift he offers? Did you ask
> Jesus for forgiveness of your sins?
>
> ...and you call me ignorant...sheeesh

Yup

Can you imagine the carnage if Chicago's ferrel gangs knew Christians
turned the other cheek? -CB

[opel]

On 4/30/2013 7:25 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> I should have specified that I expected an intelligent question -

"Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : 4fe6...@news.synserver.de...
> My life-partner, Brad, and I agree. This is, without a doubt, THE best
> song
> of 2012!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn5nEV8q-4U
>
> God favors President Obama because he isn't a stupid bible-thumper
> evangelical religous nut job. God hates all conservatives anyhow since
> conservatism is in direct opposition to the divine plan since it gets in
> the
> way of progress. God has always favored liberals. Conservatives only
favor
> themselves and hate god.

[opel]

On 4/30/2013 3:53 PM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> I was smart enough to graduate and leave school. That is more than I can say
> for most of the teachers who were still there the year after I graduated and

[opel]

On 4/30/2013 11:36 AM, Kirby Grant wrote:
> Eventually you will learn that you are a fool.

"Kirby Grant" <KGr...@yahoo.com> a �crit dans le message de groupe de