Hartung takes the wrong turn again Re: Biden administration takes the wrong position again

[Gronk]

David Hartung wrote:
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-abortion-pill-mifepristone-justice-department/
> [...]
> The Biden administration on Tuesday urged the Supreme Court to preserve
> broad access to a widely used abortion pill, warning that limiting its
> availability would impose "grave harms" on women seeking medication
> abortions.
>
> The Justice Department and Danco Laboratories, the maker of the drug
> mifepristone, submitted filings to the Supreme Court that laid out their
> arguments for why the justices should reverse a lower court ruling that
> would roll back a series of actions taken by the Food and Drug
> Administration since 2016 that made the pill easier to maintain.
> [...]
>
> Mifepristone is a dangerous substance intended do take a life and should
> be totally outlawed.The substance is fatal to the baby and liker risky
> to the mother.

Dangerous? Any evidence?

https://www.acog.org/news/news-releases/2023/02/acog-leads-amicus-brief-calling-mifepristone-conclusively-safe-and-effective

Feb 10, 2023

ACOG Leads Amicus Brief Calling Mifepristone Conclusively Safe and Effective

Washington, D.C.—Today, the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists, joined by the
American Medical Association, Society for
Maternal-Fetal Medicine, and nine other prominent
medical organizations, submitted an amicus brief
to the U.S. District Court for the Northern
District of Texas, Amarillo Division, in the
case of Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v.
U.S. Food and Drug Administration, a case
challenging the FDA’s 2000 approval of
mifepristone.

The amicus brief outlines the overwhelming
evidence demonstrating that mifepristone—which
has undergone rigorous testing and review and
has been safely used in the United States for
23 years—is conclusively safe and effective.
The amicus brief presents more than two decades
of scientific evidence and medical data, based
on hundreds of medical studies and millions of
uses of mifepristone for medication abortion.

The data overwhelmingly illustrate the safety
of this essential medication. As the brief
states, “serious side effects occur in less
than 1% of patients, and major adverse
events—significant infection, blood loss, or
hospitalization—occur in less than 0.3% of
patients. The risk of death is almost
non-existent.” There is a greater risk of
complications from wisdom tooth removal,
colonoscopy, and Viagra use.


Your turn David...

[David Hartung]

Mifepristone seems to have two uses, one is ti treat Cushing's disease,
the other if to abort a baby. Thus I may have overreacted when I said
that it should be outlawed. When used as an abortificant, a life is
taken, and that usage should be outlawed.

[Mike Colangelo]

No, it should not be. The woman doesn't want that "life" inside of her.

[David Hartung]

you know the answer to that. If a woman doesn't wand a baby, don't
engage in baby making activity.

[Baxter]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
news:cTCdndR31tjWWFf4...@giganews.com:

What about the guy. It takes 2 to make a baby.

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
news:cTCdndR31tjWWFf4...@giganews.com:

>> No, it should not be. The woman doesn't want that "life" inside of
>> her.
>
> you know the answer to that. If a woman doesn't wand a baby, don't
> engage in baby making activity.

And as we all know rape victims actually
wanted to "engage in baby making activity"

This is what you are defending, Hartung.



10-year-old girl denied abortion in Ohio
07/02/22

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3544588-10-year-old-girl-denied-
abortion-in-ohio/



Indiana doctor defends actions in 10-year-old
rape victim’s abortion
Politics Nov 21, 2022

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/indiana-doctor-defends-actions-in-10-
year-old-rape-victims-abortion

[AlleyCat]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 19:54:27 -0800 (PST), ed...@post.com says...

> Then shut the fuck up and mind your own religious wacko business.

David Hartung is NOT a Muslim, stupid.

Islam is the only "wacko" religion, stupid.

=====

STILL can't understand why liberal Democrats are so in love with Muslims.

Muslims are FOR killing homosexuals.

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Islamic_State_militants_have_thrown_two_men_off_a_building_for_b-m-14_
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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=muslim%2Bthrows%2Bgay%2Boff%
2Broof&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%
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Muslims are FOR their old men raping little boys.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=muslim+rape+young+boys&ia=web

Muslims are against abortion.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=muslims+are+against+abortion&ia=web

Muslims are against contraception.

Muslims are against pre-marital sex.

Muslims are FOR treating women as slaves and chattel.

So, if Muslims hold these ideals, why do you Democrats LOVE Muslims, but hate
Christians? See [1].

Muslims HATE you.

Am I leaving anything else out that you just LOVE about Muslims?

[1] Oh yeah... Obama is a Muslim, so all is forgiven?

http://i.imgur.com/uWvhO3t.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/khtGp9x.jpg

[David Hartung]

Yes, what about the guy? Suppose he wants the baby and the woman
doesn't? Doesn't he get a say? Also, unless it is rape, if the woman
says not, there will be no baby making activity.

[David Hartung]

No Holman, I am not. I am referring to consensual asexual intercourse.
As usual you are being dishonest.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 04:06:34 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>On 2/12/24 21:12, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote

>>>> No, it should not be. The woman doesn't want that "life" inside of
>>>> her.
>>> you know the answer to that. If a woman doesn't wand a baby, don't
>>> engage in baby making activity.
>> And as we all know rape victims actually
>> wanted to "engage in baby making activity"

>> This is what you are defending, Hartung.

>> 10-year-old girl denied abortion in Ohio 07/02/22
>> https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3544588-10-year-old-girl-denied-abortion-in-ohio/

>> Indiana doctor defends actions in 10-year-old
>> rape victim’s abortion Politics Nov 21, 2022
>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/indiana-doctor-defends-actions-in-10-
>> year-old-rape-victims-abortion
>
>No Holman, I am not. I am referring to consensual asexual intercourse.
>As usual you are being dishonest.

No he is not. You have before supported total abortion bans and argued against abortion
in cases of rape, incest and life threatening danger to the mother.

We remember what you say so STOP LYING to us, David. You get caught every time.

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[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in

news:8K6dnc8XB_22olb4...@giganews.com:

Have you changed your position about
rape victims being denied abortion?

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:LI-
dnR_Q_Y0Zplb4n...@giganews.com:

> On 2/12/24 21:12, Baxter wrote:
>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>> news:cTCdndR31tjWWFf4...@giganews.com:
>>
>>>
>>>

>> What about the guy. It takes 2 to make a baby.
>
> Yes, what about the guy? Suppose he wants the baby and the woman
> doesn't? Doesn't he get a say?

How much "say" should he get when it
comes to a woman's pregnacy?

[Governor Swill]

Imo, if she wants the child and he doesn't, she should carry to term and then keep it.
Error in favor of life.

If he wants the child and she doesn't, she should carry to term and then give it to him.

Next question. Should the parent who didn't want the child be required to pay support?

[Baxter]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:LI-
dnR_Q_Y0Zplb4n...@giganews.com:

Do you want to make a baby EVERY TIME you have sex? Do you only have sex
when you want to make a baby?

[Baxter]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in

news:8K6dnc8XB_22olb4...@giganews.com:

But you didn't say so, did you - until you were called on it. You want
do turn something complex into a bumper sticker and not use your brain at
all.

[Mitchell Holman]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pe2nsi5tn4glr1omt...@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:14:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:LI-
>>dnR_Q_Y0Zplb4n...@giganews.com:
>>
>>> On 2/12/24 21:12, Baxter wrote:
>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>> news:cTCdndR31tjWWFf4...@giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What about the guy. It takes 2 to make a baby.
>>>
>>> Yes, what about the guy? Suppose he wants the baby and the woman
>>> doesn't? Doesn't he get a say?
>>
>>
>> How much "say" should he get when it
>>comes to a woman's pregnacy?
>
> Imo, if she wants the child and he doesn't, she should carry to term
> and then keep it. Error in favor of life.
>
> If he wants the child and she doesn't, she should carry to term and
> then give it to him.

Even if he honors his promise
and keeps the child the mother is
still liable for child support
and health insurance ooverage.

Another factor: "Why should
risk dying to deliver a baby I
don't even want?"

"About 700 moms die each year in
the United States from complications
during or after pregnancy."
https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-support/topics/miscarriage-loss-
grief/maternal-death-and-pregnancy-related-death

>
> Next question. Should the parent who didn't want the child be
> required to pay support?

All non-custodial parents are
liable to pay child support.

[David Hartung]

On 2/13/24 04:36, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 04:06:34 -0600, David Hartung wrote:
>> On 2/12/24 21:12, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote
>>>>> No, it should not be. The woman doesn't want that "life" inside of
>>>>> her.
>>>> you know the answer to that. If a woman doesn't wand a baby, don't
>>>> engage in baby making activity.
>>> And as we all know rape victims actually
>>> wanted to "engage in baby making activity"
>
>>> This is what you are defending, Hartung.
>
>>> 10-year-old girl denied abortion in Ohio 07/02/22
>>> https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3544588-10-year-old-girl-denied-abortion-in-ohio/
>
>>> Indiana doctor defends actions in 10-year-old
>>> rape victim’s abortion Politics Nov 21, 2022
>>> https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/indiana-doctor-defends-actions-in-10-
>>> year-old-rape-victims-abortion
>>
>> No Holman, I am not. I am referring to consensual asexual intercourse.
>> As usual you are being dishonest.
>
> No he is not. You have before supported total abortion bans and argued against abortion
> in cases of rape, incest and life threatening danger to the mother.

Yes I have, and now you are being dishonest.

An unborn human life is the most innocent of lives, and to take that
life is wrong.

[David Hartung]

We have discussed the specific situation to which you refer. Do you
remember what I said?

[David Hartung]

Unless specified otherwise, the usual assumption is that a woman who
wishes a divorce engaged in consensual intercourse. You ant others are
dishonest.

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in

news:qnKdnbllzcGxsFH4...@giganews.com:

So you would deny abortion for raped children.

Why won't you admit that?

[David Hartung]

Sorry, we have had this discussion.

[Lou Bricano]

And you lost then, too.

[nickname unavailable]

> divorce [sic]

Wishes a what? Hartung is really losing it.

> engaged in consensual intercourse.

Doesn't matter. She is not obliged to accept the "consequences" of voluntary sex
as you think right. You have no say.

[Scout]

Yes.

> and now you are being dishonest.

And now he is kicking your ass.

>
> An unborn human life is the most innocent of lives, and to take that life is wrong.

No, it isn't.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:12:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:pe2nsi5tn4glr1omt...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:14:38 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:LI-
>>>dnR_Q_Y0Zplb4n...@giganews.com:
>>>
>>>> On 2/12/24 21:12, Baxter wrote:
>>>>> David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:cTCdndR31tjWWFf4...@giganews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> What about the guy. It takes 2 to make a baby.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, what about the guy? Suppose he wants the baby and the woman
>>>> doesn't? Doesn't he get a say?
>>>
>>>
>>> How much "say" should he get when it
>>>comes to a woman's pregnacy?
>>
>> Imo, if she wants the child and he doesn't, she should carry to term
>> and then keep it. Error in favor of life.
>>
>> If he wants the child and she doesn't, she should carry to term and
>> then give it to him.
>
>
> Even if he honors his promise
>and keeps the child the mother is
>still liable for child support
>and health insurance ooverage.

That's a whole debate on its own!

> Another factor: "Why should
>risk dying to deliver a baby I
>don't even want?"

Then you shouldn't have spread your legs for him. Consensual sex is also consent to risk
getting pregnant.

>"About 700 moms die each year in
>the United States from complications
>during or after pregnancy."
>https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-support/topics/miscarriage-loss-
>grief/maternal-death-and-pregnancy-related-death

Compared to the four million babies born, that number is not sufficient to justify the
destruction of wanted foetuses.

>> Next question. Should the parent who didn't want the child be
>> required to pay support?

> All non-custodial parents are
>liable to pay child support.

Do you have any stats or references for how many divorced moms pay child support to ex
husbands who've been granted sole custody?

Swill
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[Governor Swill]

Translation: "If I lie to you, you'll call me a liar. If I tell the truth, I'll be a
hypocrite."

Swill
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[David Hartung]

We continue to disagree. SO long as this is the core of our difference,
discussion is pointless.

[Mitchell Holman]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:654psil7m7mj7aarq...@4ax.com:

Because birth control never fails.


https://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/birth-control-pills-
patches-and-devices/birth-control-failure/

>>"About 700 moms die each year in
>>the United States from complications
>>during or after pregnancy."
>>https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-support/topics/miscarriage-loss-
>>grief/maternal-death-and-pregnancy-related-death
>
> Compared to the four million babies born, that number is not
> sufficient to justify the destruction of wanted foetuses.

Wanted by whom? The father who
said he wants it and later changes
his mind?

>
>>> Next question. Should the parent who didn't want the child be
>>> required to pay support?
>
>> All non-custodial parents are
>>liable to pay child support.
>
> Do you have any stats or references for how many divorced moms pay
> child support to ex husbands who've been granted sole custody?

No state's child support laws
are gender specific. If the father
has custody the mom owes child
support. In fact deadbeat moms are
a bigger issue than deadbeat dads.



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-moms-less-likely-than-dads-to-
pay-child-support/


https://mensrightsdivorcelaw.com/blog/mothers-delinquent-child-support-
payments/

[Baxter]

Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote in
news:XnsB117D978ECBB7...@69.80.102.23:

Once born, Hartung has no use for those human lives.

[Mitchell Holman]

Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote in news:uqivb9$2om4c$1@dont-
email.me:

Hartung loves pre-born life, it is all
human life afterwards that he hates.

[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:25:13 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote

>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 19:12:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> If he wants the child and she doesn't, she should carry to term and
>>>> then give it to him.
>>>
>>> Even if he honors his promise
>>>and keeps the child the mother is
>>>still liable for child support
>>>and health insurance ooverage.
>>
>> That's a whole debate on its own!
>>
>>> Another factor: "Why should
>>>risk dying to deliver a baby I
>>>don't even want?"
>>
>> Then you shouldn't have spread your legs for him. Consensual sex is
>> also consent to risk getting pregnant.

Besides, birth control.

> Because birth control never fails.

I said, it's a risk. Yeah, birth control sometimes fails. If it does, you get screwed
twice, nine months apart! :)

But seriously IUDs, the Pill, condoms, spermicides, morning after pills.

I'll put this in caps so you'll understand my passionate support for the following remark.

THERE ARE TOO MANY MEANS OF NOT GETTING PREGNANT TO USE ABORTION AS A BACK STOP

Odd as it may sound, if a girl is taking the pill, guy is wearing a rubber with a
spermicidal lube, she takes a plan b in the morning just in case and she STILL gets
pregnant, THAT baby was intended to be born and an abortion would probably fail anyway.
:)

And anybody having casual sex or sex outside marriage should be aware of this. They're
not having lunch, they're stirring the baby pot.

>https://americanpregnancy.org/unplanned-pregnancy/birth-control-pills-
>patches-and-devices/birth-control-failure/
>
>
>>>"About 700 moms die each year in
>>>the United States from complications
>>>during or after pregnancy."
>>>https://www.marchofdimes.org/find-support/topics/miscarriage-loss-
>>>grief/maternal-death-and-pregnancy-related-death
>>
>> Compared to the four million babies born, that number is not
>> sufficient to justify the destruction of wanted foetuses.

> Wanted by whom? The father who
>said he wants it and later changes
>his mind?

You're creating straw men to have something to argue about.

>>>> Next question. Should the parent who didn't want the child be
>>>> required to pay support?
>>
>>> All non-custodial parents are
>>>liable to pay child support.
>>
>> Do you have any stats or references for how many divorced moms pay
>> child support to ex husbands who've been granted sole custody?

> No state's child support laws
>are gender specific. If the father
>has custody the mom owes child
>support. In fact deadbeat moms are
>a bigger issue than deadbeat dads.

>https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-moms-less-likely-than-dads-to-
>pay-child-support/
>
>https://mensrightsdivorcelaw.com/blog/mothers-delinquent-child-support-
>payments/

I no longer care what arguments you make about what situations.

ABORTION SHOULD NOT BE USED AS BIRTH CONTROL.

Don't argue because you WON'T change my mind.

[pothead]

I am pro life and feel that if a heartbeat is detected, aborting a baby is murder.
Women who are raped typically report it quickly so taking a pill is not a problem for me.
Incest is a tough one, but if heartbeat is detected that baby should be allowed to come to term.
Abortion is not just another method of birth control.

--
pothead
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Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[Siri Cruise]

pothead wrote:
> I am pro life and feel that if a heartbeat is detected, aborting a baby is murder.

Then don't have one. Even in California it's not mandatory.

> Women who are raped typically report it quickly so taking a pill is not a problem for me.
> Incest is a tough one, but if heartbeat is detected that baby should be allowed to come to term.
> Abortion is not just another method of birth control.

You can register here and petition for a new initiative.

Until then it's legal birth control here. I don't have to approve
or disapprove. Freedom means a woman doesn't have to explain her
decisions.

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[Governor Swill]

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:32:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hartung loves pre-born life, it is all
>human life afterwards that he hates.

Every sperm is sacred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

I like mine straight from the dispenser.

Swill
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[Mitchell Holman]

Siri Cruise <chine...@www.yahoo.com> wrote in
news:uqjrhv$2tglo$1...@dont-email.me:

> pothead wrote:
>> I am pro life and feel that if a heartbeat is detected, aborting a
>> baby is murder.
>
> Then don't have one. Even in California it's not mandatory.
>
>> Women who are raped typically report it quickly so taking a pill is
>> not a problem for me. Incest is a tough one, but if heartbeat is
>> detected that baby should be allowed to come to term. Abortion is not
>> just another method of birth control.
>
> You can register here and petition for a new initiative.
>
> Until then it's legal birth control here. I don't have to approve
> or disapprove. Freedom means a woman doesn't have to explain her
> decisions.

Exactly. If you aren't one being pregnant
you aren't the one deciding what to do about
the pregnancy.




Woman May Be Forced to Give Birth to a
Headless Baby Because of an Abortion Ban
August 16, 2022
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ax38w/louisiana-woman-headless-fetus-
abortion-ban

[Mitchell Holman]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:81sqsi16p1m3iojl7...@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 18:32:09 +0000, Mitchell Holman
> <noe...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Hartung loves pre-born life, it is all
>>human life afterwards that he hates.
>
> Every sperm is sacred.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
>
> I like mine straight from the dispenser.

"Every time I make a blood donation
the nurse administers the procedure"

"Sir, this is a sperm bank, donations
don't work that way"

[Scout]

I'm right and you're wrong, and it's pointless for you to keep spewing your
uninformed and bigoted opinion.

[Governor Swill]

It's nobody else's business anyway.

[Governor Swill]

Nurse, hell. I'm looking for a hot auto mechanic!

[Mike Colangelo]

On 2/12/2024 5:26 PM, David Hartung wrote:
> On 2/12/24 10:02, Mike Colangelo wrote:
>> On 2/12/2024 4:56 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>> On 2/12/24 00:10, Gronk wrote:
>>>> David Hartung wrote:
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-abortion-pill-mifepristone-justice-department/ [...]
>>>>> The Biden administration on Tuesday urged the Supreme Court to preserve
>>>>> broad access to a widely used abortion pill, warning that limiting its
>>>>> availability would impose "grave harms" on women seeking medication abortions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Justice Department and Danco Laboratories, the maker of the drug
>>>>> mifepristone, submitted filings to the Supreme Court that laid out their
>>>>> arguments for why the justices should reverse a lower court ruling that
>>>>> would roll back a series of actions taken by the Food and Drug
>>>>> Administration since 2016 that made the pill easier to maintain.
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Mifepristone is a dangerous substance intended do take a life and should be
>>>>> totally outlawed.The substance is fatal to the baby and liker risky to the
>>>>> mother.
>>>>
>>>> Dangerous? Any evidence?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.acog.org/news/news-releases/2023/02/acog-leads-amicus-brief-calling-mifepristone-conclusively-safe-and-effective
>>>>
>>>> Feb 10, 2023
>>>>
>>>> ACOG Leads Amicus Brief Calling Mifepristone Conclusively Safe and Effective
>>>>
>>>> Washington, D.C.—Today, the American College of
>>>> Obstetricians and Gynecologists, joined by the
>>>> American Medical Association, Society for
>>>> Maternal-Fetal Medicine, and nine other prominent
>>>> medical organizations, submitted an amicus brief
>>>> to the U.S. District Court for the Northern
>>>> District of Texas, Amarillo Division, in the
>>>> case of Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine v.
>>>> U.S. Food and Drug Administration, a case
>>>> challenging the FDA’s 2000 approval of
>>>> mifepristone.
>>>>
>>>> The amicus brief outlines the overwhelming
>>>> evidence demonstrating that mifepristone—which
>>>> has undergone rigorous testing and review and
>>>> has been safely used in the United States for
>>>> 23 years—is conclusively safe and effective.
>>>> The amicus brief presents more than two decades
>>>> of scientific evidence and medical data, based
>>>> on hundreds of medical studies and millions of
>>>> uses of mifepristone for medication abortion.
>>>>
>>>> The data overwhelmingly illustrate the safety
>>>> of this essential medication. As the brief
>>>> states, “serious side effects occur in less
>>>> than 1% of patients, and major adverse
>>>> events—significant infection, blood loss, or
>>>> hospitalization—occur in less than 0.3% of
>>>> patients. The risk of death is almost
>>>> non-existent.” There is a greater risk of
>>>> complications from wisdom tooth removal,
>>>> colonoscopy, and Viagra use.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your turn David...
>>>
>>> Mifepristone seems to have two uses, one is ti treat Cushing's disease, the
>>> other if to abort a baby. Thus I may have overreacted when I said that it
>>> should be outlawed. When used as an abortificant, a life is taken, and that
>>> usage should be outlawed.

>>
>> No, it should not be. The woman doesn't want that "life" inside of her.
>
> you know the answer to that. If a woman doesn't wand a baby, don't engage in
> baby making activity.

Not your call.

[Gronk]

What life is taken?

[Gronk]

A pregnant woman only counts as one in a census. In your
scenario a baby would be considered a year old three months
after birth.

[Mitchell Holman]

Gronk <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:uqus3e$1ntkh$1...@dont-email.me:

Do pregnant drivers get to use
HOV lanes because they are two people?

[Governor Swill]

Chinese astrology is based on conception date.

Swill
--

Not left, not right, https://www.forwardparty.com/

"I don't want everybody to vote. As a matter of fact, our leverage in
the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
- Paul Weyrich, co founder of Heritage Foundation and Moral Majority

[Baxter]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:5ro6tip0dtvavr419...@4ax.com:

But not Western astrology. In fact, time of birth is important to
Western astrology.

[David Hartung]

Though you disagree, you know what I mean.

[David Hartung]

You never miss a chance to look like a fool.

[Max Boot]

He got you again.

[Mitchell Holman]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in news:PA-
dnbqaTppnCE74n...@giganews.com:

"Having trouble with a rational response, so you fall
back opn the tried and true personal attack."
David Hartung, June 25 2015

[Lou Bricano]

In fact, a pregnant woman successfully fought a high-occupancy-vehicle lane
violation citation in Texas and then was cited again.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Brandy+Bottone+hov+citation

This is ridiculous and wrong, of course. HOVs are stupid anyway. The point of
them is to get some drivers out of their cars. A mom driving her children to
school using a HOV isn't getting any other drivers out of their cars. In order
for motorist to be lawfully allowed to use a HOV, at least one passenger in her
car should be a licensed driver who otherwise would be driving his own car to
the destination.

Another total, and completely unjustified, waste of resources is handicapped
parking spaces, which always are the very best spaces in the lot. It just grinds
my ass when I drive into a Home Depot lot, and the 20 best spaces are sitting
empty. Why *should* disabled persons get the best spaces? What makes it
especially galling is that handicapped people always say they're "just like" the
rest of us, and that they can do anything. Well, yeah, they can do "anything" as
long as they have the law forcing me to help them. Why should anyone else in
society be penalized to help them overcome something that society had no part of
inflicting upon them? And this doesn't even touch on the massive fraud and abuse
in the system. I'd be willing to bet that more than 50% of people with a
handicapped parking placard or license plate are not disabled.

[Lou Bricano]

The fetus is a human life, but it is not a person — not a full person with all
human rights.

The woman doesn't want it inside her. She should not have to carry it to term
and give birth. Her right to bodily autonomy is violated if she is forced to do
so against her will.

[Governor Swill]

Translation: "I don't dare answer that."

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:44:54 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:

>> Chinese astrology is based on conception date.
>>
>> Swill
>
>But not Western astrology. In fact, time of birth is important to
>Western astrology.

It doesn't matter since astrology is bullshit anyway.

[Baxter]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:kuj7ti1342h55v598...@4ax.com:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 15:44:54 -0000 (UTC), Baxter
> <bax02_s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>>> Chinese astrology is based on conception date.
>>>
>>> Swill
>>
>>But not Western astrology. In fact, time of birth is important to
>>Western astrology.
>
> It doesn't matter since astrology is bullshit anyway.
>

And personhood at conception is bullshit too.

[David Hartung]

I have given the rational response to such statements many times, you
still don't get it.

[David Hartung]

Rudy, you never seem to figure it out.

You have no problem with killing the most innocent of humans, yet you
pitch a fit over the idea of a convicted murderer being required to
forfeit his life as punishment for his crime.

[Lou Bricano]

I have it figured out, and you don't and never will.

>
> You have no problem with killing the most innocent of humans,

The woman doesn't want the thing inside her. She shouldn't have to keep it
inside her if she doesn't want it.

> yet you pitch a
> fit over the idea of a convicted murderer being required to forfeit his life as
> punishment for his crime.

Because the deliberate killing of a *full* person other than in immediate self
defense is wrong. The fetus isn't a complete person.


Here's the part that you don't get. When a majority — a *large* majority — of
people consider that the fetus is not a complete person with all human rights,
that simply cannot be ignored. Now, here is where you do one of your classic
fake questions: "So rights depend on majority opinion?" You think the question
is absurd and the obvious answer is "no," but rights are a human invention —
they are not "granted by god" — and in fact, in every human society, the rights
that will be recognized *are* determined in large part by majority sentiment.

A large majority believe that a fetus is not a complete human being, and
therefore does not have all human rights. In particular, the majority believe
that the fetus does not have a "right" to inhabit the body of someone who
doesn't want it inside her. And fuck your "she made a choice" bullshit. That
*proves* that you don't give a fuck about the "innocent human life," but rather
all you want to do is punish the woman. It's obvious.

[pothead]

Look like a fool?
He *IS* a fool.

BTW near where I live some guy got caught using the HOV lane with a blow up doll in the passenger
seat.
He got caught because it was a cloudy, rainy day and the doll was wearing sunglasses which the cops
noticed and pulled him over.
I found it funny.




--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

[David Hartung]

It is a human life. Suppose the woman decides after the child is a month
old that she doesn't want it, according to you logic, she has the right
to kill it.

>> yet you pitch a fit over the idea of a convicted murderer being
>> required to forfeit his life as punishment for his crime.
>
> Because the deliberate killing of a *full* person other than in
> immediate self defense is wrong. The fetus isn't a complete person.

In your opinion.

>
>
> Here's the part that you don't get. When a majority — a *large* majority
> — of people consider that the fetus is not a complete person with all
> human rights, that simply cannot be ignored. Now, here is where you do
> one of your classic fake questions: "So rights depend on majority
> opinion?" You think the question is absurd and the obvious answer is
> "no," but rights are a human invention — they are not "granted by god" —
> and in fact, in every human society, the rights that will be recognized
> *are* determined in large part by majority sentiment.

Rights are a human invention? Who gets to determine the rights of man?

> A large majority believe that a fetus is not a complete human being, and
> therefore does not have all human rights. In particular, the majority
> believe that the fetus does not have a "right" to inhabit the body of
> someone who doesn't want it inside her. And fuck your "she made a
> choice" bullshit. That *proves* that you don't give a fuck about the
> "innocent human life," but rather all you want to do is punish the
> woman. It's obvious.

Huh?

Sorry Rudy, but as usual, you are wrong.

[Mitchell Holman]

Lou Bricano <l...@cap.con> wrote in
news:JTNAN.490992$83n7....@fx18.iad:

>
>
> In fact, a pregnant woman successfully fought a high-occupancy-vehicle
> lane violation citation in Texas and then was cited again.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Brandy+Bottone+hov
> +citation
>
> This is ridiculous and wrong, of course. HOVs are stupid anyway. The
> point of them is to get some drivers out of their cars.

Actually it was to get polluting cars
off the highways, which is why states are
letting EV's use the HOV lanes.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/where-ev-drivers-can-use-hov-lanes/

https://blinkcharging.com/why-hov-lanes-were-ineffective-until-the-
electric-vehicle-boom/

>
> Another total, and completely unjustified, waste of resources is
> handicapped parking spaces, which always are the very best spaces in
> the lot. It just grinds my ass when I drive into a Home Depot lot, and
> the 20 best spaces are sitting empty. Why *should* disabled persons
> get the best spaces?

"Fuck granny and her walker,
me having to walk an extra 50 feet
is the real handicap!"

[Lou Bricano]

It's not a person.

>>> yet you pitch a fit over the idea of a convicted murderer being required to
>>> forfeit his life as punishment for his crime.
>>
>> Because the deliberate killing of a *full* person other than in immediate self
>> defense is wrong. The fetus isn't a complete person.
>
> In your opinion.

In logic and fact.

>>
>>
>> Here's the part that you don't get. When a majority — a *large* majority — of
>> people consider that the fetus is not a complete person with all human rights,
>> that simply cannot be ignored. Now, here is where you do one of your classic
>> fake questions: "So rights depend on majority opinion?" You think the question
>> is absurd and the obvious answer is "no," but rights are a human invention —
>> they are not "granted by god" — and in fact, in every human society, the
>> rights that will be recognized *are* determined in large part by majority
>> sentiment.
>
> Rights are a human invention?

Yes.

> Who gets to determine the rights of man?

Men.

>
>> A large majority believe that a fetus is not a complete human being, and
>> therefore does not have all human rights. In particular, the majority believe
>> that the fetus does not have a "right" to inhabit the body of someone who
>> doesn't want it inside her. And fuck your "she made a choice" bullshit. That
>> *proves* that you don't give a fuck about the "innocent human life," but
>> rather all you want to do is punish the woman. It's obvious.
>
> Huh?

Fuck off. You know I'm right.

[Lou Bricano]

On 2/19/2024 6:34 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Lou Bricano <l...@cap.con> wrote in
> news:JTNAN.490992$83n7....@fx18.iad:
>
>>
>>
>> In fact, a pregnant woman successfully fought a high-occupancy-vehicle
>> lane violation citation in Texas and then was cited again.
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=Brandy+Bottone+hov
>> +citation
>>
>> This is ridiculous and wrong, of course. HOVs are stupid anyway. The
>> point of them is to get some drivers out of their cars.
>
>
> Actually it was to get polluting cars
> off the highways, which is why states are
> letting EV's use the HOV lanes.

That's wrong. It was to reduce congestion. HOV lanes were around long before
there were EVs. EVs are allowed to use the HOVs as an inducement to switch to
EVs, but the main purpose of HOVs is to reduce congestion.

>
> https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/where-ev-drivers-can-use-hov-lanes/
>
> https://blinkcharging.com/why-hov-lanes-were-ineffective-until-the-
> electric-vehicle-boom/
>
>>
>> Another total, and completely unjustified, waste of resources is
>> handicapped parking spaces, which always are the very best spaces in
>> the lot. It just grinds my ass when I drive into a Home Depot lot, and
>> the 20 best spaces are sitting empty. Why *should* disabled persons
>> get the best spaces?
>
>
> "Fuck granny and her walker,
> me having to walk an extra 50 feet
> is the real handicap!"

It's not "fuck granny and her walker" — it's why should prime resources go to
waste in order to help people that do-gooders feel are deserving? It's why
should all of society have to make special accommodation for granny and her
walker...when she doesn't drive or shop at Home Depot in the first place?

Why should people with handicaps have a right to compel me to alleviate the
effect of their handicaps?

[Baxter]

David Hartung <ju...@nogood.com> wrote in

news:t8-dnZbo_Iwoc074...@giganews.com:

I guess you never heard of the Original Sin doctrine.

> yet you
> pitch a fit over the idea of a convicted murderer being required to
> forfeit his life as punishment for his crime.
>
>

One is an actual person, the other is not.

[Governor Swill]

Handicap spaces at a place like Home Depot is pretty funny! How many people do you know
who can't walk but are remodeling their home?

Meanwhile, the disabled spots are all full at Walmart and pretty much everywhere else.

[Governor Swill]

On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:06:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:

>BTW near where I live some guy got caught using the HOV lane with a blow up doll in the passenger
>seat.
>He got caught because it was a cloudy, rainy day and the doll was wearing sunglasses which the cops
>noticed and pulled him over.
>I found it funny.

I've heard that story before. It's urban legend. No blow up doll looks real enough to
pass for a human in a car.

[pothead]

On 2024-02-20, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:06:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW near where I live some guy got caught using the HOV lane with a blow up doll in the passenger
>>seat.
>>He got caught because it was a cloudy, rainy day and the doll was wearing sunglasses which the cops
>>noticed and pulled him over.
>>I found it funny.
>
> I've heard that story before. It's urban legend. No blow up doll looks real enough to
> pass for a human in a car.
>
> Swill

It may be an urban legend but it is based on facts.

<https://www.longislandpress.com/2021/06/02/6-drivers-who-hate-long-island-traffic-so-much-they-used
-dummies-in-the-lie-hov-lane/>

[Lou Bricano]

On 2/20/2024 8:16 AM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:06:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BTW near where I live some guy got caught using the HOV lane with a blow up doll in the passenger
>>> seat.
>>> He got caught because it was a cloudy, rainy day and the doll was wearing sunglasses which the cops
>>> noticed and pulled him over.
>>> I found it funny.
>>
>> I've heard that story before. It's urban legend. No blow up doll looks real enough to
>> pass for a human in a car.
>>
>> Swill
> It may be an urban legend but it is based on facts.

But you only repeated the urban legend.

[Mitchell Holman]

Governor Swill <governo...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:cph9tidpfb5icuv95...@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 02:06:41 -0000 (UTC), pothead
> <pot...@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>BTW near where I live some guy got caught using the HOV lane with a
>>blow up doll in the passenger seat.
>>He got caught because it was a cloudy, rainy day and the doll was
>>wearing sunglasses which the cops noticed and pulled him over.
>>I found it funny.
>
> I've heard that story before. It's urban legend. No blow up doll
> looks real enough to pass for a human in a car.
>
> Swill

I have heard of guys picking up
prostitutes just to into the HOV lanes
of a bridge in Wash DC.

Which makes for great chatter with
the wife. "Honey, you finally got home
on time, what's the secret" "Oh, it is
all thanks to a hooker I picked up on
12th street. What's for dinner?"

[pothead]

Now that is creative!!!
I don't think my hubby would approve though.
Maybe?
I have to ask him.