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Barry Brady
Mar 23, 2017, 1:38:09 AM3/23/17
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/what-gun-control-
advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
shooting.
"If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
your gun."
[We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s
why.]
This is a common - and increasingly exasperated - refrain from gun-control
advocates. They see passing stricter gun laws as a common-sense response
to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill,
and they bristle at those who disagree.
Public polling suggests many of those advocates don't fully understand the
motivations of their opponents: Supporting gun rights, for a large portion
of Americans, is about much more than guns.
It's important to note that some tighter gun-control measures enjoy wide
support across America, among liberals and conservatives, gun owners and
even National Rifle Association-households as well as those who have never
pulled a trigger. More than 4 in 5 Americans support requiring background
checks for private and gun-show firearms sales, and nearly as many favor
laws preventing people with mental illness from owning guns, Pew Research
surveys have found. Seven in 10 support a federal database of gun sales.
Over half support bans on semi-automatic and assault weapons.
More broadly, though, defending gun rights is a more popular position now
than it has been in almost 20 years. Half of Americans now says it is more
important to "protect the right of Americans to own guns" than it is to
"control gun ownership."
Several forces are shaping that growing support. They include:
1. A backlash against government intrusion in individuals' lives.
This connection was borne out clearly in a large 2012 survey by the
Washington Post and Kaiser Family Foundation. Respondents were asked
whether they support stricter gun control laws as well as whether they
agreed with the statement “government controls too much of our daily
lives.”
The correlation was stark – among those who strongly agreed government had
too much control, 70 percent opposed stricter gun control laws. That
opposition dropped to 45 percent among those who only “somewhat agreed”
government had too much control and only 24 percent among those who
strongly disagreed government was too controlling.
Complaints of government control and gun law opposition
Opposition to stricter gun control laws among those who agree/disagree
that "Government controls too much of our daily lives"
0204060
Strongly disagree24% oppose stricter gun laws
Somewhat disagree29%Somewhat agree45%
Strongly agree70% oppose
Source:
Aug. 2012 Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of U.S. adults
THE WASHINGTON POST
That connection isn't simply an artifact of partisanship or ideology --
even among Republicans (more on partisanship in a minute) and Republican-
leaning independents, those who "strongly agreed" government is too
controlling were 30 percentage points more likely to oppose new gun
restrictions if they agreed with the "government controls too much"
statement than if they disagreed.
Among Republicans alone, government and gun attitudes still connected
Opposition to stricter gun control laws among those who agree/disagree
that "Government controls too much of our daily lives" (Results in this
chart among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents)
Total Republican-leaning70% oppose
Strongly agree81%
All others51%
Source: Aug. 2012 Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of U.S.
adults
THE WASHINGTON POST
Worries about gun laws breeding government intrusion aren't confined to
gun owners, by the way. A 2013 Pew poll found that 57 percent of all
adults -- and 49 percent of adults who have no guns in their household --
"agree" that stricter gun laws would give "too much power to government
over average citizens." While agree-disagree survey questions can inflate
support for an idea, the result suggests this argument is broadly
acceptable.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/PewGuns.png
2. A belief that more guns make us safer.
Americans doubt the effectiveness of gun laws, with 60 percent in a June
CNN/ORC poll saying they stricter gun control laws would not reduce the
number gun-related deaths.
Guns themselves are also seen doing as much to protect people as put their
safety at risk, with 54 percent in the previously mentioned Pew survey
this summer saying they do more to protect people from becoming victims.
That sentiment has increased in the years following the deadly 2012
shootings in Newtown, Conn.
3. The rise of gun laws as a partisan issue.
From 1993 through 2007, Pew documented a steady gap between Republicans
and Democrats on the importance of gun rights versus gun control.
Republicans tended to split about 50-50, and Democrats tended to break
two-thirds in favor of gun control. That trend broke, and broke hard,
after Barack Obama was elected president.
Since 2008, Republican preference for protecting gun rights has risen to
75 percent. Democratic preferences have stayed basically level. The surge
in support for gun rights in recent years, in other words, is entirely
explained by the changing views of Republicans. In a statistical
regression analysis predicting opposition to gun-control measures in the
2012 Post-Kaiser poll, gun ownership, partisanship and ideology emerge as
the best predictors.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/PewGuns2.png
"Can we stop looking at gun rights as an ideological issue?" Duffy asks,
in the first line of her Daily Kos piece. "This is no longer ideological."
Polls are telling us that it is.
advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
shooting.
"If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
your gun."
[We’ve had a massive decline in gun violence in the United States. Here’s
why.]
This is a common - and increasingly exasperated - refrain from gun-control
advocates. They see passing stricter gun laws as a common-sense response
to keep deadly weapons out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill,
and they bristle at those who disagree.
Public polling suggests many of those advocates don't fully understand the
motivations of their opponents: Supporting gun rights, for a large portion
of Americans, is about much more than guns.
It's important to note that some tighter gun-control measures enjoy wide
support across America, among liberals and conservatives, gun owners and
even National Rifle Association-households as well as those who have never
pulled a trigger. More than 4 in 5 Americans support requiring background
checks for private and gun-show firearms sales, and nearly as many favor
laws preventing people with mental illness from owning guns, Pew Research
surveys have found. Seven in 10 support a federal database of gun sales.
Over half support bans on semi-automatic and assault weapons.
More broadly, though, defending gun rights is a more popular position now
than it has been in almost 20 years. Half of Americans now says it is more
important to "protect the right of Americans to own guns" than it is to
"control gun ownership."
Several forces are shaping that growing support. They include:
1. A backlash against government intrusion in individuals' lives.
This connection was borne out clearly in a large 2012 survey by the
Washington Post and Kaiser Family Foundation. Respondents were asked
whether they support stricter gun control laws as well as whether they
agreed with the statement “government controls too much of our daily
lives.”
The correlation was stark – among those who strongly agreed government had
too much control, 70 percent opposed stricter gun control laws. That
opposition dropped to 45 percent among those who only “somewhat agreed”
government had too much control and only 24 percent among those who
strongly disagreed government was too controlling.
Complaints of government control and gun law opposition
Opposition to stricter gun control laws among those who agree/disagree
that "Government controls too much of our daily lives"
0204060
Strongly disagree24% oppose stricter gun laws
Somewhat disagree29%Somewhat agree45%
Strongly agree70% oppose
Source:
Aug. 2012 Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of U.S. adults
THE WASHINGTON POST
That connection isn't simply an artifact of partisanship or ideology --
even among Republicans (more on partisanship in a minute) and Republican-
leaning independents, those who "strongly agreed" government is too
controlling were 30 percentage points more likely to oppose new gun
restrictions if they agreed with the "government controls too much"
statement than if they disagreed.
Among Republicans alone, government and gun attitudes still connected
Opposition to stricter gun control laws among those who agree/disagree
that "Government controls too much of our daily lives" (Results in this
chart among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents)
Total Republican-leaning70% oppose
Strongly agree81%
All others51%
Source: Aug. 2012 Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of U.S.
adults
THE WASHINGTON POST
Worries about gun laws breeding government intrusion aren't confined to
gun owners, by the way. A 2013 Pew poll found that 57 percent of all
adults -- and 49 percent of adults who have no guns in their household --
"agree" that stricter gun laws would give "too much power to government
over average citizens." While agree-disagree survey questions can inflate
support for an idea, the result suggests this argument is broadly
acceptable.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/PewGuns.png
2. A belief that more guns make us safer.
Americans doubt the effectiveness of gun laws, with 60 percent in a June
CNN/ORC poll saying they stricter gun control laws would not reduce the
number gun-related deaths.
Guns themselves are also seen doing as much to protect people as put their
safety at risk, with 54 percent in the previously mentioned Pew survey
this summer saying they do more to protect people from becoming victims.
That sentiment has increased in the years following the deadly 2012
shootings in Newtown, Conn.
3. The rise of gun laws as a partisan issue.
From 1993 through 2007, Pew documented a steady gap between Republicans
and Democrats on the importance of gun rights versus gun control.
Republicans tended to split about 50-50, and Democrats tended to break
two-thirds in favor of gun control. That trend broke, and broke hard,
after Barack Obama was elected president.
Since 2008, Republican preference for protecting gun rights has risen to
75 percent. Democratic preferences have stayed basically level. The surge
in support for gun rights in recent years, in other words, is entirely
explained by the changing views of Republicans. In a statistical
regression analysis predicting opposition to gun-control measures in the
2012 Post-Kaiser poll, gun ownership, partisanship and ideology emerge as
the best predictors.
https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/12/PewGuns2.png
"Can we stop looking at gun rights as an ideological issue?" Duffy asks,
in the first line of her Daily Kos piece. "This is no longer ideological."
Polls are telling us that it is.
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 23, 2017, 8:42:11 AM3/23/17
to
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 05:38:08 +0000 (UTC), Barry Brady
<br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>
>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
<br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>
>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
Kos.
a425couple
Mar 23, 2017, 12:09:51 PM3/23/17
to
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
So in Chicago, even when they get a good arrest of
a juvenile drug gang member with a handgun,
they immeadiately get bailed out on $5,000 bail
(yes, seriously big money in drug sales!).
But these gun control idiots really think, making
life tougher for the legal owners will reduce crime!
for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
So in Chicago, even when they get a good arrest of
a juvenile drug gang member with a handgun,
they immeadiately get bailed out on $5,000 bail
(yes, seriously big money in drug sales!).
But these gun control idiots really think, making
life tougher for the legal owners will reduce crime!
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 23, 2017, 3:26:05 PM3/23/17
to
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:09:10 -0700, "a425couple"
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>>
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>> Kos.
>
>After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
>for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
I believe Britain already has that.
<a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>>
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>> Kos.
>
>After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
>for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
http://surrenderyourknife.co.uk/
#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 23, 2017, 3:47:59 PM3/23/17
to
On 03/23/2017 12:09 PM, a425couple wrote:
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people
>>> and wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an
>>> opinion piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't
>>> matter."
>>
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>> Kos.
>
> After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath for the talk of
> 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
I have told Liberals for 10 years here, that they'd have to ban cars and
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people
>>> and wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an
>>> opinion piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't
>>> matter."
>>
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>> Kos.
>
> After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath for the talk of
> 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
knives and then walking canes and sharp sticks and Louisville Sluggers.
*Liberalism is unsustainable, self destructive and contradicting*
--
That's Karma
max headroom
Mar 23, 2017, 4:00:59 PM3/23/17
to
In news:ob0s6...@news6.newsguy.com, a425couple <a425c...@hotmail.com> typed:
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>> wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>> piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily Kos.
> After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
> for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
The UK already has knife control.
> "Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>> wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>> piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily Kos.
> After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
> for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 23, 2017, 4:32:59 PM3/23/17
to
On 03/23/2017 01:38 AM, Barry Brady wrote:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/what-gun-control-
> advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
> owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
>
> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
> wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
> piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
> crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
> were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
> shooting.
>
> "If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
> author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
> the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
> right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
> what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
> 3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
> your gun."
Liberal Abortion Doctors are also something he must believe kills human
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/what-gun-control-
> advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
> owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
>
> Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
> social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
> wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
> piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
> crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
> were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
> shooting.
>
> "If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
> author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
> the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
> right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
> what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
> 3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
> your gun."
lives and has no legitimate use in society.
If you're a drone that can't protect your own life, you must be like a
fetus inside a uterus, and banning guns and Liberals that refuse to own
a gun to take the responsibility to save themselves cane be separated
like chaff from wheat. That how Liberals feel about abortion, it's a
life that can't do anything for its self so that makes it less than a
full human life.
The irony is that they are making themselves as helpless as the human
life inside the uterus.
Jail..Where Clinton Voters Belong
Mar 23, 2017, 9:15:02 PM3/23/17
to
In article <_hWAA.42632$rZ.3...@fx28.iad>
#BeamMeUpScotty <CommunityOrganizers-
the benefits of Roe vs. Wade. It saved the country.
> If you're a drone that can't protect your own life, you must be like a
> fetus inside a uterus, and banning guns and Liberals that refuse to own
> a gun to take the responsibility to save themselves cane be separated
> like chaff from wheat. That how Liberals feel about abortion, it's a
> life that can't do anything for its self so that makes it less than a
> full human life.
That's how they see everyone opposed to whatever nutty agenda
they happen to be supporting at the time. If you oppose them,
you must be prevented, ridiculed, punished and destroyed. Sucks
when the tables get turned on them and they get their heads beat
in.
> The irony is that they are making themselves as helpless as the human
> life inside the uterus.
Ordinary citizens armed with sticks and pepper spray are taking
it to them. They deserve every smack and spray they get.
#BeamMeUpScotty <CommunityOrganizers-
Communist...@World.Shadow.gov> wrote:
>
> On 03/23/2017 01:38 AM, Barry Brady wrote:
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/what-gun-control-
> > advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
> > owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
> >
> > Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
> > social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
> > wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
> > piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
> > crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
> > were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
> > shooting.
> >
> > "If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
> > author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
> > the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
> > right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
> > what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
> > 3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
> > your gun."
>
> Liberal Abortion Doctors are also something he must believe kills human
> lives and has no legitimate use in society.
The USA couldn't support the resulting welfare burden without
>
> On 03/23/2017 01:38 AM, Barry Brady wrote:
> > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/what-gun-control-
> > advocates-misunderstand-about-gun-
> > owners/?tid=pm_business_pop_b&utm_term=.9841080c8150
> >
> > Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
> > social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
> > wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
> > piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter." It
> > crystallized much of the anger and frustration that gun-control advocates
> > were expressing on social media in the wake of another American mass
> > shooting.
> >
> > "If you still bristle at the idea of gun control, fine," declared the
> > author, Josie Duffy, an attorney who writes on criminal justice issues for
> > the site. "All I'm asking is that you call a spade a spade. To you, the
> > right to own a gun— including one of those assault weapons that looks like
> > what a robot might utilize to kill the enemy in a movie called Robot War
> > 3—is more important than people’s lives. People’s lives matter less than
> > your gun."
>
> Liberal Abortion Doctors are also something he must believe kills human
> lives and has no legitimate use in society.
the benefits of Roe vs. Wade. It saved the country.
> If you're a drone that can't protect your own life, you must be like a
> fetus inside a uterus, and banning guns and Liberals that refuse to own
> a gun to take the responsibility to save themselves cane be separated
> like chaff from wheat. That how Liberals feel about abortion, it's a
> life that can't do anything for its self so that makes it less than a
> full human life.
they happen to be supporting at the time. If you oppose them,
you must be prevented, ridiculed, punished and destroyed. Sucks
when the tables get turned on them and they get their heads beat
in.
> The irony is that they are making themselves as helpless as the human
> life inside the uterus.
it to them. They deserve every smack and spray they get.
#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 23, 2017, 11:40:05 PM3/23/17
to
since the lack of social structure has created a society that can't
support its self because women use more social subsidies and if that
were to NOT be able to continue then Feminism would collapse the system.
https://youtu.be/w__PJ8ymliw?t=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT9jeK30yH8
Marxism-->Liberalism-->Feminism-->Fempocalypse-->You eating garbage
--
That's Karma
*Rumination*
3 - Liberals actions are easy to predict. They're those of a
Conservative after you take away all reason and responsibility.
#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 24, 2017, 12:35:32 AM3/24/17
to
On 03/23/2017 09:07 PM, Jail..Where Clinton Voters Belong wrote:
Then you agree that Feminism is going to be the downfall of the Nation
since the lack of social structure has created a society that can't
support its self because women use more social subsidies and if that
were to NOT be able to continue then Feminism would collapse the system.
https://youtu.be/w__PJ8ymliw?t=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT9jeK30yH8
Marxism-->Liberalism-->Feminism-->Fempocalypse-->You eating garbage
It's a sad thing when you tell us that women need to kill their babies
since the lack of social structure has created a society that can't
support its self because women use more social subsidies and if that
were to NOT be able to continue then Feminism would collapse the system.
https://youtu.be/w__PJ8ymliw?t=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT9jeK30yH8
Marxism-->Liberalism-->Feminism-->Fempocalypse-->You eating garbage
or the system will collapse, it shows the ignorance of Liberal systems.
Wiley E. Coyote
Mar 24, 2017, 7:36:48 AM3/24/17
to
"Jail..Where Clinton Voters Belong" <jail.h...@latimes.com> wrote in
news:39bedeec5be64743...@dizum.com:
>> Liberal Abortion Doctors are also something he must believe kills human
>> lives and has no legitimate use in society.
>
> The USA couldn't support the resulting welfare burden without
> the benefits of Roe vs. Wade. It saved the country.
That is disgusting and so morally abhorrent I can't even begin...
news:39bedeec5be64743...@dizum.com:
>> Liberal Abortion Doctors are also something he must believe kills human
>> lives and has no legitimate use in society.
>
> The USA couldn't support the resulting welfare burden without
> the benefits of Roe vs. Wade. It saved the country.
a425couple
Mar 24, 2017, 1:42:46 PM3/24/17
to
"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>>>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>>>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>>>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>>>
>>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>>> Kos.
>>
>>After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
>>for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
>
>
> I believe Britain already has that.
Yes, somewhat.
> "a425couple" <a425c...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klausschaden...@null.net> wrote in...
>>> Barry Brady <br...@bunch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Soon after news broke on Wednesday that a gunman had opened fire on a
>>>>social service center in San Bernardino, Calif., killing 14 people and
>>>>wounding 17 others, the liberal Daily Kos website published an opinion
>>>>piece under the headline "Your opinion on gun control doesn't matter."
>>>
>>> Funny, that's exactly how I feel about anyone writing for the Daily
>>> Kos.
>>
>>After London 3-22-17, shall we wait with bated breath
>>for the talk of 'car & truck control' and 'knife control' ?
>
>
> I believe Britain already has that.
> http://surrenderyourknife.co.uk/
The above is a voluntary program.
What the law is:
https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
"Basic laws on knives
It is illegal to:
sell a knife to anyone under 18
(16 to 18 year olds in Scotland can buy cutlery and kitchen knives)
unless it's a knife with a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry a knife in public without good reason - unless it's a knife with
a folding blade 3 inches long (7.62cm) or less
carry, buy or sell any type of banned knife
use any knife in a threatening way (even a legal knife)
Lock knives are not classed as folding knives and are illegal to carry in
public
without good reason. Lock knives:
have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a button
can include multi-tool knives - tools that also contain other devices
such as a screwdriver or can opener"
de chucka
Mar 24, 2017, 6:56:09 PM3/24/17
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terrorist carnage in the US associated with gun ownership. That is
called a 'straw-man'
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 24, 2017, 8:18:53 PM3/24/17
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:55:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily none
>terrorist carnage in the US associated with gun ownership. That is
>called a 'straw-man'
Can you re-write this in American English please?
wrote:
>You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily none
>terrorist carnage in the US associated with gun ownership. That is
>called a 'straw-man'
de chucka
Mar 24, 2017, 8:33:08 PM3/24/17
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#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 25, 2017, 1:34:34 AM3/25/17
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On 03/24/2017 08:32 PM, de chucka wrote:
> On 25/03/2017 11:18 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:55:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily non
>>> terrorist carnage in the US, associated with gun ownership. That is
> On 25/03/2017 11:18 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:55:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily non
>>> called a 'straw-man'
>>
>> Can you re-write this in American English please?
>
> Get one of your multiple socks to explain it to you.
Here... maybe I can interpret it.
>>
>> Can you re-write this in American English please?
>
> Get one of your multiple socks to explain it to you.
It says Liberals are idiots
You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so this is not
nearly as far fetched.
--
That's Karma
Just Wondering
Mar 25, 2017, 3:50:47 AM3/25/17
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On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>
> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>
The Constitution says no such thing.
>
> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>
Klaus Schadenfreude
Mar 25, 2017, 7:40:50 AM3/25/17
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:32:58 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
[chuckle]
wrote:
>On 25/03/2017 11:18 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:55:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily none
>>> terrorist carnage in the US associated with gun ownership. That is
>>> called a 'straw-man'
>>
>> Can you re-write this in American English please?
>
>Get one of your multiple socks to explain it to you.
YEah, I didn't think you knew how to make sense.
>On 25/03/2017 11:18 AM, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 09:55:55 +1100, de chucka <Dech...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You are trying to compare a terrorist attack with the daily none
>>> terrorist carnage in the US associated with gun ownership. That is
>>> called a 'straw-man'
>>
>> Can you re-write this in American English please?
>
>Get one of your multiple socks to explain it to you.
[chuckle]
#BeamMeUpScotty
Mar 25, 2017, 12:14:11 PM3/25/17
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context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
mind for that one post.
--
That's Karma
de chucka
Mar 25, 2017, 4:13:37 PM3/25/17
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Hint: I am anti-abortion
benj
Mar 25, 2017, 4:31:28 PM3/25/17
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is plain. Before life begins any procedure is simply a medical operation
on a "woman's body" as Libs love to say. After life begins such an act
is murder. So does a person (includes women) have a constitutional right
to choose to have a medical operation performed on their body? Most
conservatives would agree they do. Liberals tend not to disagree siding
with government control of medical procedures and government forced
procedures such as vaccinations. Does a citizen have the right to murder
other citizens? No they don't. They have a right in certain
circumstances to kill (such as self-defense) but murder is another thing.
Thus, pro-abortion really means nothing unless one specifies exactly
when you believe life begins. Traditionally this has been birth, but I
note that often murderers of pregnant women are often charged with TWO
murders including the unborn baby so thinking is not exactly clear here.
de chucka
Mar 25, 2017, 5:42:52 PM3/25/17
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On 26/03/2017 7:31 AM, benj wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>
>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>
>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>> mind for that one post.
>>
>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>
>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>
> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
I oppose abortion
> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>
>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>
>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>> mind for that one post.
>>
>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>
>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>
> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
benj
Mar 25, 2017, 7:18:42 PM3/25/17
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On 3/25/2017 5:42 PM, de chucka wrote:
> On 26/03/2017 7:31 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>>> mind for that one post.
>>>
>>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>>
>>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>>
>> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
>
> I oppose abortion
Non-responsive.
> On 26/03/2017 7:31 AM, benj wrote:
>> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>>> mind for that one post.
>>>
>>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>>
>>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>>
>> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
>
> I oppose abortion
de chucka
Mar 25, 2017, 9:26:50 PM3/25/17
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On 26/03/2017 10:18 AM, benj wrote:
> On 3/25/2017 5:42 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 26/03/2017 7:31 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>>>> mind for that one post.
>>>>
>>>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>>>
>>>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>>>
>>> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
>>
>> I oppose abortion
>
> Non-responsive.
In what way? That is my point of view. What else do you want me to say
> On 3/25/2017 5:42 PM, de chucka wrote:
>> On 26/03/2017 7:31 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 3/25/2017 4:13 PM, de chucka wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/2017 3:14 AM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>> On 03/25/2017 03:53 AM, Just Wondering wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/24/2017 11:34 PM, #BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You know, the constitution says abortion is a right, so
>>>>>>> this is not nearly as far fetched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Constitution says no such thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I was speaking to a Liberal and to a Liberal it says that.... Out of
>>>>> context I don't believe that either but the Liberal did and so I used
>>>>> his own delusion to try to make a point by climbing into his deluded
>>>>> mind for that one post.
>>>>
>>>> Do you actually know my position on the abortion issue?
>>>>
>>>> Hint: I am anti-abortion
>>>
>>> "anti-abortion". What does that mean exactly?
>>
>> I oppose abortion
>
> Non-responsive.
as we agree?
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