Clarence Thomas
John Aquino
On 8 Jan 1997 02:22:07 -0700, xona <xo...@primenet.com> wrote:
)ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
)
): Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find
it
): incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
): overture to black people, [snip]
)
) Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives
and
) prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
) except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He
perfers
) white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
) racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at
them.
He's just a man - you're the one who's bringing up the race crap.
He's far more intelligent and important than you or any of your
squirming little spawn will ever hope to be.
Cyndi Bakke
xona wrote:
>
> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>
> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>
>
I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
general middle class values of traditional America and live in
communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
Cyndi Bakke
xona
Jerome Walker
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In article <328CC0...@pacbell.net>,
Liberalace <npe...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>M Hatfield wrote:
>> <well thought, well stated post snipped>
>
>Nice job, T. If only Jerome and his Dan Quayle wanna-be friends
>could think this clearly. Instead Jerome beleives that if you
>work hard, pull yourself by your bootstraps then anyone can
>succeed in America. That's why he wants to put and end to
>all social and anti-discriminatory safety nets. He figures
>that it would save HIM money, everyone else be damned.
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In article <19961118144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
<kha...@aol.com> wrote:
>From: Rich Thompson <tho...@ego.psych.mcgill.ca>
>On 14 Nov 1996, DarkStar wrote:
>> In article <19961113140...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
>> <kha...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> >Isn't that the current banner statement of the moment?
>>> >"Black women don't want me, so I date white women."
>>> I have 2 responses:
>>> 1. If they don't want him, what should he do? Jerk off for life?
>>Yes. To actually go out with someone who is interested in you would be
>>extremely spiteful.
>
>To tag white women as automatic pussy is sexist and racist. And if
>they're that easy to get, then you can take consolation in the thought
>that you are the object of someone's chocolate fantasy.
What I have stated is that if a black man has more in common with a white
woman, then
>>And terribly unfair to the people who aren't
>>interested in you anyway.
>
>It is terribly unfair to tag black women, as a group, as narrow-minded
>idiots who are only interested in how black a man is. We're interested in
>how big his dick is, too.
>
>
>
>
>----
>
>Whip me, chain me; feed me Ding-Dongs!
>kha...@aol.com
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In article <328FE9...@premier.net>,
Stefan Andreasson <ze...@premier.net> wrote:
>Jerome Walker wrote:
>>
>> In article <328FD1...@premier.net>,
>> Stefan Andreasson <ze...@premier.net> wrote:
>> >Jerome Walker wrote:
[ edit ]
>> >Really? One injustice deserves another?? That's a really constructive
>> >way of looking at it. No wonder there is no progress in these matters.
>> >Blacks care as little about justice and better relations as whites
>> >supposedly do?? Just wondering...
>>
>> During the California grape boycott, there were a lot of migrant workers
>> hurt.
>>
>> And as another poster already stated, the same boycotts happen in television
>> when companies advertise on "non-family oriented" shows, or in the case
>> of the Disney company and their benefits package.
>>
>> It isn't black and white, it's green, but the self-proclaimed Swede doesn't
>> know this huh?
>>
>> Any bets that he responds with an insult?
[ edit ]
>
>No, I leave the insults to Wayne and Bittersweet... Well, there is
>always unintended victims of boycotts. I just wondered if it is usually
>worth it. Like in Cuba and before in South Africa. I know black South
>Africans who both though the boycotts were productive and necessary and
>some who felt they just made conditions worse for the already suffering.
>I guess Jesse Jackson don't have to worry about innocent gas station
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In article <5b17aj$t...@carbon.cudenver.edu>,
holman <aholman...@cudenver.edu> wrote:
>Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
>>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
>>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>>educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
>>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>>
>>Cyndi Bakke
Cyndi, I give you my complments on your asinine post. I pray for the
day when white conservatives actually get to *KNOW* black people instead of
taking images off of the television, and buying into thee ignorance
of other clueless white conservatives.
Did you know that most blacks are middle class? Did you know that most
blacks live, not in the inner cities, but in the south? Did you know that
many blacks that start to gain success, leave the inner cities? Did
you know that many blacks that do live in the cities send their children
to Catholic schools?? Did you know that most blacks are productive
citizens? *OBVIOUSLY* you didn't!
>>
>I know you weren't talking to me, but not a whole a lot.
>Many middle class black americans live in communities such as
>you describe yet they do not subscribe to the political
>philosophy of either Thomas or JC Watts. So what? The criteria
>for being a successful black person in not embodied in that
>particular philosophy and only that philosophy. The recipe for
>success is not a black or white proposition. Its tones of
>gray. And the dumb pun was intended.
>
Cyndi, it's bad enough that I have to overcome the label of
conservative that has been corrupted by people like David Duke, Jesse
Helms, etc, butI also have to overcome clueless white conservatives
like yourself who are just as patronizing and *MORE* condenscending
than white liberals! YOu could have made my life easier by waving
the Confederate flage and singing "Dixie".
Jerome -- damn I have to agree with Alice -- Walker
--
Jerome -- Liberals are blacks' mortal enemies! -- Walker
xona
holman <aholman...@cudenver.edu> wrote:
: >
: >I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
If they follow the Goldwater Philosophy of Conservatism, I am with
them 100%. If they follow the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell/Rush
Limbaugh version - Fuck them all.
: >What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
: >general middle class values of traditional America and live in
: >communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
: >have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
: >educated, articulate, and productive citizens.
Three cheers for each and every one.
What about JC Watts (one
: >of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
: >
The same as I think of Alan Keys: An articulate. educated,
"House nigger" for the far-right wing of the Republican party,
that proudly display them as a sign of Republican inclusiveness
for the purpose of public relations.
And in the case of Keys, a first-class religious conman.
xona
I just don't buy into that bullshit
holman
Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>xona wrote:
>>
>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
>> : overture to black people, [snip]
>>
>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
>>
>> xona
>
>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
>
>
I know you weren't talking to me, but not a whole a lot.
Many middle class black americans live in communities such as
you describe yet they do not subscribe to the political
philosophy of either Thomas or JC Watts. So what? The criteria
for being a successful black person in not embodied in that
particular philosophy and only that philosophy. The recipe for
success is not a black or white proposition. Its tones of
gray. And the dumb pun was intended.
alice
Nat Turner
In article <32D3E9...@inforel.com>,
Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>xona wrote:
>>
>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
>> : overture to black people, [snip]
>>
>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
>>
>> xona
>
Well, you obviously know more about Mr. Thomas than I, and probably most
in this group, and no doubt most of his friends and associates, and
perhaps more than his family members, ex-wife and father-in-law, all of
whom with the exception of the members of this group think him an
exemplary human being. And that's the really impressive thing about Judge
Thomas as I see it: no matter how far back you go in his history the only
person who has anything negative to say about him is Anita Hill. No one
else. Not school-mates, bosses, subordinates, school teachers, no one but
Anita Hill, a woman whose reputation among those she came in contact with
is just the opposite of Clarence Thomas'. Only Anita Hill, and even she
readily admits on one person helped her more with her career than he.
Thus we can only assume you are privy to information none here have yet
come to know. Hopefully, rather than continuing to call Judge Thomas a
nigger and licker of white assholes, you'll be as fair enough to include
said information in your next post. Please do that, you stupid ape.
Enquiring minds want to know...
Nat Turner
Mystic Knights of the Sea
>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
n>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
>Cyndi Bakke
>
>
--
Norman R Nithman
In article <32D3E9...@inforel.com>,
Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
Not much, which is how I feel about conservatives in general.
>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>educated, articulate, and productive citizens.
I'm glad that they could. Most of them are Democrats.
What about JC Watts (one
>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
Isn't he the ex-jock who ditched his kid?
--
Norman Nithman n...@tezcat.com www.tezcat.com/~nrn
Oceansize
On 9 Jan 1997 00:12:17 GMT, tur...@smarty.smart.net (Nat Turner)
wrote:
>And that's the really impressive thing about Judge
>Thomas as I see it: no matter how far back you go in his history the only
>person who has anything negative to say about him is Anita Hill.
I believe Anita Hill and I believe America has better than Justice
Thomas. Furthermore, My main gripe with Justice Thomas is that he
has benefitted from Affirmative Action and now is one of America's
biggest opponents. Hypocrisy in a Supreme Court Justice is
intolerable. America could do better.
Kind Regards,
Stephen Rosales
dou...@aa.net
"Baby's gonna help build a Wall"
Pink
idleeric
Cyndi Bakke wrote:
>
> xona wrote:
> >
> > ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
> >
> > : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
> > : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
> > : overture to black people, [snip]
> >
> > Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
> > prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
> > except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
> > white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
> > racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
> >
> > xona
>
> general middle class values of traditional America and live in
> communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
> have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
> of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
loaded question:
"in general" -- the devil is in the details: Clarence's affinity for
pornography ...
"general middle class values" yadda-yadda ... ditto
you ass-hole right wingers are always setting up your self-righteous
"middle class values" as a straw man ... go ask Bill Bennett for a blow
job ... i hear he'll do it for Rush for free.
Stan Ivester
->He's far more intelligent and important than you or any of your
->squirming little spawn will ever hope to be.
Amen. How many other porndogs get to be on the Supreme Court--with the
backing of the Christian Coalition, no less?
--
Stan
Ben Larson
I belive that I have heard Rush Limbaugh praise JC Watts. That's all I need
to know.
--
Ben Larson
The Last Liberal in the Texas Panhandle
http://www.wtrt.net/~blarson
Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote in article
FrankenChrist
In message <32D3E9...@inforel.com> - Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com>Wed,
08 Jan 1997 12:39:36 -0600 writes:
:>
:>xona wrote:
:>>
:>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
:>>
:>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
:>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
:>> : overture to black people, [snip]
:>>
:>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
:>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
:>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
:>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
:>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
:>>
:>> xona
:>
:>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
:>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
:>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
:>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
:>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
:>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
:>Cyndi Bakke
:>
:>
Speaking of black conservatives, what's your opinion of
Louis Farrakhan?
Mycroft
David Nieporent wrote:
>
.>
.> How about if we just call him a liar and an idiot? How anyone could
.> believe that the guy, who was in law school when Roe v. Wade was
handed
.> down, NEVER DISCUSSED THE CASE, is beyond me. It fails the laugh
test.
.>
.> --
.> David M. Nieporent Deserves it? I daresay he does. Many who
live
.> Niep...@pluto.njcc.com deserve death. And some who die deserve
life. Can
.> Hampshire/Plainsboro, NJ you give it to them? Then be not so quick
to give
.> FIRE PAT GILLICK!!!! the other. For not even the wise can see
all ends.
David, I can believe it. Since Clarence Thomas has been on the Supreme
Court
he has been known more for what he has NOT done than for what he has
done.
Since being on the court he has NOT often articulated his opinion, he
has
NOT voted against Scalia except in defense of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, and he
has
NOT taken any opportunity to prove to anyone that he has his own mind.
One other thing, a lot of people posting in this thread have tried to
make a big
deal out of the fact that most black people, and most black
orginizations such
as then NAACP do not think much of Clarence Thomas. Do you all think
that someone
has to be supported by the black community just because they are black?
Should all
white people support David Duke just because he is white? Should all
Jewish people
ascribe to the views of Karl Marx just because he was Jewish? And no, I
don't
dislike Clarence Thomas simply because he is a conservative. I dislike
Clarence
Thomas 1) because I think he lacks integrity and 2) because I strongly
disagree with
him on issues that are important to me. I DO support black conservative
Colin Powell
whom I might have voted for even if he had run as a republican.
However, I can find
no reason to question Colin Powell's integrity, and he is much closer to
me on the
issues (affirmative action, abortion rights, TRUE welfare reform ect)
than Clarence
Thomas.
Lou Minatti
He's praised Jesse Jackson, too. That's all you need to know. Right?
Ben Larson wrote:
>
> I belive that I have heard Rush Limbaugh praise JC Watts. That's all I need
> to know.
> --
>
> Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote in article
> > What about JC Watts (one
> > of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
> >
> >
> >
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> holman <aholman...@cudenver.edu> wrote:
> : >
> : >I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
>
> If they follow the Goldwater Philosophy of Conservatism, I am with
> them 100%. If they follow the Pat Robertson/Jerry Falwell/Rush
> Limbaugh version - Fuck them all.
>
> : >What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
> : >general middle class values of traditional America and live in
> : >communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
> : >have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
> : >educated, articulate, and productive citizens.
>
> Three cheers for each and every one.
>
> What about JC Watts (one
> : >of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
> : >
>
> The same as I think of Alan Keys: An articulate. educated,
> "House nigger" for the far-right wing of the Republican party,
> that proudly display them as a sign of Republican inclusiveness
> for the purpose of public relations.
>
> And in the case of Keys, a first-class religious conman.
>
> xona
> I just don't buy into that bullshit
What a hateful, intolerant person. If you're as oppressed as you claim,
you should know better and have no excuse for your hatefull attitude
towards others.
Jerome Walker
In article <5b17aj$t...@carbon.cudenver.edu>,
holman <aholman...@cudenver.edu> wrote:
>Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>>>
>>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
>>> : overture to black people, [snip]
>>>
>>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives
and
>>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
>>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He
perfers
>>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
>>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at
them.
>>>
>>> xona
>>
>>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>>
Cyndi, I give you my complments on your asinine post. I pray for the
day when white conservatives actually get to *KNOW* black people instead
of
taking images off of the television, and buying into thee ignorance
of other clueless white conservatives.
Did you know that most blacks are middle class? Did you know that most
blacks live, not in the inner cities, but in the south? Did you know that
many blacks that start to gain success, leave the inner cities? Did
you know that many blacks that do live in the cities send their children
to Catholic schools?? Did you know that most blacks are productive
citizens? *OBVIOUSLY* you didn't!
>>
>I know you weren't talking to me, but not a whole a lot.
>Many middle class black americans live in communities such as
>you describe yet they do not subscribe to the political
>philosophy of either Thomas or JC Watts. So what? The criteria
>for being a successful black person in not embodied in that
>particular philosophy and only that philosophy. The recipe for
>success is not a black or white proposition. Its tones of
>gray. And the dumb pun was intended.
>
Cyndi, it's bad enough that I have to overcome the label of
David Nieporent
In article <5b1d51$fap$1...@news.smart.net>,
Nat Turner <tur...@smarty.smart.net> wrote:
>In article <32D3E9...@inforel.com>,
>Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com> wrote:
>>xona wrote:
>>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
>>> : overture to black people, [snip]
>>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
>>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
>>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
>>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
>>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
>Well, you obviously know more about Mr. Thomas than I, and probably most
>in this group, and no doubt most of his friends and associates, and
>perhaps more than his family members, ex-wife and father-in-law, all of
>whom with the exception of the members of this group think him an
>exemplary human being. And that's the really impressive thing about Judge
>Thomas as I see it: no matter how far back you go in his history the only
>person who has anything negative to say about him is Anita Hill. No one
>else. Not school-mates, bosses, subordinates, school teachers, no one but
>Anita Hill, a woman whose reputation among those she came in contact with
>is just the opposite of Clarence Thomas'. Only Anita Hill, and even she
>readily admits on one person helped her more with her career than he.
Angela Wright would be very surprised to find this out.
(Oh, you don't know who she is? Hint: she's the OTHER woman who accused
Thomas of sexual harassment during his confirmation hearings, but who
wasn't allowed to testify.)
>Thus we can only assume you are privy to information none here have yet
>come to know. Hopefully, rather than continuing to call Judge Thomas a
>nigger and licker of white assholes, you'll be as fair enough to include
>said information in your next post. Please do that, you stupid ape.
>Enquiring minds want to know...
How about if we just call him a liar and an idiot? How anyone could
believe that the guy, who was in law school when Roe v. Wade was handed
down, NEVER DISCUSSED THE CASE, is beyond me. It fails the laugh test.
--
David M. Nieporent Deserves it? I daresay he does. Many who live
Niep...@pluto.njcc.com deserve death. And some who die deserve life. Can
Hampshire/Plainsboro, NJ you give it to them? Then be not so quick to give
Mycroft
Joseph G. Adams wrote:
>
.> In article <32D5CD...@cis.uab.edu>, Mycroft <dr...@cis.uab.edu>
wrote:
.>
.> >>
could
.> >.> believe that the guy, who was in law school when Roe v. Wade was
.> >.> hande down, NEVER DISCUSSED THE CASE, is beyond me. It fails the
.> >.> laugh test.
.> >
.> >David, I can believe it. Since Clarence Thomas has been on the
Supreme
.> >Court he has been known more for what he has NOT done than for what
he
.> >has done. Since being on the court he has NOT often articulated his
.> >opinion, he has NOT voted against Scalia except in defense of CHILD
.> >PORNOGRAPHY, and he has NOT taken any opportunity to prove to anyone
that
.> >he has his own mind.
.>
.> What a load of crap. This is simply false.
.>
.> Three minutes of searching on Westlaw turned up the following Scalia-
.> Thomas disagreements:
.>
.> Henderson v. United States, 116 S.Ct. 1638 (1996)
.> United States v. Williams, 115 S.Ct. 1611 (1995)
.> Tome v. United States, 115 S.Ct. 696 (1995)
.>
.> If I could figure out how to construct the search properly, I could
.> probably turn up a lot more.
.>
Actually Joseph it's not a load of crap, and I doubt you could turn up
more.
I did not pull that statement out of thin air as you apparently think.
That
statement came from an Atlanta Constitution article from a couple of
years
ago. I believe if you did a search the year might have been 1993, but
I'm
not sure. Anyway, notice that the three cases you cited came AFTER
1993.
Maybe Thomas read the constitution article and decided to try to
moderate
some? Who knows. But I'm certain if you did a more extensive search
you
would find a strong trend of Thomas-Scalia agreement. Oh, by the way,
I noticed you didn't touch the child pornography case. Why not?
.> Incidentally, I'd be interested to see comparisons of the agreement
.> between Scalia and Thomas vs. Brennan and Marshall. My suspicion is
.> that Brennan and Marshall agreed with each other more frequently than
.> Scalia and Thomas do now, yet no one at the time impugned the
intellect
.> of either Brennan or Marshall. It's hard not to think that people
are
.> simply looking for yet another cheap shot to throw at Thomas.
.>
.> --
.> Joseph G. Adams
.> Stanford Law School, 3L
.> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jgadams/
See the above response as to why it was not a "cheap shot". Granted,
the
Atlanta Consitution may not always be right, but I do regard it as a
reasonable source of information.
Wayne Johnson
ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>{To Jerome Walker}
>I think the only thing we really disagree on is how to get there. Am I wrong?
Oh no...he's gonna start pounding that damn freedom drum again...
Wayne "Dang, Mitch, you're gonna get him started and I won't get any
sleep" Johnson
cia...@ix.netcom.com
"...you see...despite their pretenses the people here are your
basic low stratum black. Educated and degreed, sure; but still
more ghetto than middle-class. Wayne Johnson is a good example
of this..." bard, pretending to be Nat Turner
Snidely Whiplash
> >>
> >.> How about if we just call him a liar and an idiot? How anyone could
> >.> believe that the guy, who was in law school when Roe v. Wade was
> >.> hande down, NEVER DISCUSSED THE CASE, is beyond me. It fails the
> >
> >David, I can believe it. Since Clarence Thomas has been on the Supreme
>
>
>
> Henderson v. United States, 116 S.Ct. 1638 (1996)
>
>
>
> Joseph G. Adams
> Stanford Law School, 3L
> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jgadams/
Aw, who'd be mean enough to take a cheap shot at Uncle Thomas? }:>D
ttmit...@msn.com
wal...@panix.com (Jerome Walker) wrote:
>Cyndi, it's bad enough that I have to overcome the label of
>conservative that has been corrupted by people like David Duke, Jesse
>Helms, etc, butI also have to overcome clueless white conservatives
>like yourself who are just as patronizing and *MORE* condenscending
>than white liberals! YOu could have made my life easier by waving
>the Confederate flage and singing "Dixie".
So Jerome,
Although this is off the topic line, let's go at this a different
way. On politics we know we disagree, but we tend to agree on many
other fronts. Why don't we attempt to try to find out what we agree
on, you being a black conservative and me being a black liberal. For
instance, I know we both believe that there should be some kind of
moral standard to live by. We both believe that real criminals should
be put away for a long time. We both believe that there should be
full racial equality, and also believe that it hasn't been achieved
yet. We both hope that more and more blacks will achieve greater and
greater things, so that we don't have to read much of the bigoted
dogma attached to all blacks by those who wish to pontificate upon
blacks as a race instead of some individuals. I think the only thing
we really disagree on is how to get there. Am I wrong?
--
Mitch
blackalice
Sam Hall <sam...@dkdavis.com> wrote in article
<32e61f8b....@news.airmail.net>...
On Wed, 08 Jan 1997 12:39:36 -0600, Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com>
wrote:
>xona wrote:
>>
>> ttmit...@msn.com wrote:
>>
>> : Uncle Tom had more personal dignity than Clarence thomas. I find it
>> : incredible that it's taken this long for him to make some kind of
>> : overture to black people, [snip]
>>
>> Mr. Thomas is an educated, articulate, O. J. Simpson. He lives and
>> prosperes in the white man's world and avoids the black community
>> except went to do otherwise is in his own best interest. He perfers
>> white woman to black except for sexual harassment, when the white
>> racist subconscience essence of his personality lashes out at them.
>>
>> xona
>
>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>
>Cyndi Bakke
>
>
I thought that you asked a reasonable question. Very interesting how
they are not answering your question, but insulting you.
Also interesting how they assume that you are not black (as if it made
a difference).
--
Samuel L. Hall
Systems Engineer
(communications systems)
Not true, for the most part. Are you having difficulty with STANDARD
english, Sam? Several people said they didn't think much of Watts
and they also said that in order to be a middle class black person
living in the type neighborhood she describes, you do not have to
subscribe to the beliefs of either Watts or Thomas. Both of you (regardless
of what color you are) seem to be stuck on the theme that in order
to be successful as a black person, you have to be a conservative.
It ain't so. It was NOT conservative blacks holding an honorary white
boy card that pushed civil rights forward. Quite the contrary. It's those
people who get labeled "liberal" like it was a dirty word who did it.
And back in the old days before the end of the Cold War, they were
called "communists." It's the conservatives who try to undo what has
been done. Uncle Thomas is a wonderful example.
alice
Jerome Walker
In article <01bc0001$943ca160$ad9790cc@benzie>,
You are a bold faced liar.
Not only that, but any black person who honestly believed the shit
that Cyndi wrote, doesn't have a damn clue.
As I wrote before, most blacks *ARE* middle class. That *FACT* alone
blows a whole in the garbage she wrote.
>Not true, for the most part. Are you having difficulty with STANDARD
>english, Sam? Several people said they didn't think much of Watts
>and they also said that in order to be a middle class black person
>living in the type neighborhood she describes, you do not have to
>subscribe to the beliefs of either Watts or Thomas. Both of you (regardless
>of what color you are) seem to be stuck on the theme that in order
>to be successful as a black person, you have to be a conservative.
>It ain't so.
Alice is right. Vernon Jordon is *VERY* successful and is not a
conservative.
Cyndi Bakke
Sam Hall wrote:
>Cyndi Bakke wrote:
> >I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
> >What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
> >general middle class values of traditional America and live in
> >communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
> >have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
> >educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
> >of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
> >
> >Cyndi Bakke
> >
> >
> I thought that you asked a reasonable question. Very interesting how
> they are not answering your question, but insulting you.
> Also interesting how they assume that you are not black (as if it made
> a difference).
Ms. Xona seems incapable of posting an argument without making a number
of profane attacks against those newsgroup members who disagree with
her. She has the same problem when attacking public figures.
But I guess that's what you've got to do when you are incapable of
making a coherent argument. As a result I don't usually read her posts
anymore. They are obviously not designed to provoke an intellectually
honest debate. They aren't even clever insults.
Cyndi Bakke
Ricardo Samuel
This is in regards to the question about Black conservatives. First of
all, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by conservative. The politically
correct orthodoxy treats every Black person who slightly departs from
certain opinions (e.g. affirmative action, ebonics, etc.) with hysterical
outrage and disgust. Secondly, Blacks can choose whatever political
direction they feel best represents their agenda.
Remember all the insults and slander directed towards Clarence Thomas.
None of this had anything to do with his qualifications, rather, the
pc-orthodoxy was pissed that they couldn't get one of theirs on the
Supreme Court.
Ricardo
nee...@syix.com
On Thu, 09 Jan 1997 22:49:14 GMT, hemp...@io.org (FrankenChrist)
wrote:
>In message <32D3E9...@inforel.com> - Cyndi Bakke <cba...@inforel.com>Wed,
>08 Jan 1997 12:39:36 -0600 writes:
snip
>:>
>:>I am curious. What do you think of black conservatives in general?
>:>What do you think of African Americans who have chosen to adopt the
>:>general middle class values of traditional America and live in
>:>communities that are not located in the inner cities; communities that
>:>have good schools in which they might raise their children to be
>:>educated, articulate, and productive citizens. What about JC Watts (one
>:>of my personal heroes), what do you think of him?
>:>
>:>Cyndi Bakke
>:>
>:>
>
>
> Speaking of black conservatives, what's your opinion of
>Louis Farrakhan?
Louis Farrakhan like David Duke are examples of the extreme right
wing. Both also happen to be extreme BIGOTS!
LN
Nat Turner
In article <5b9anh$p...@elaine31.Stanford.EDU>,
Joseph G. Adams <jga...@leland.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
>
>In article <32D6D1...@cis.uab.edu>, Mycroft <dr...@cis.uab.edu> wrote:
>
>>Joseph G. Adams wrote:
>>>
>>.> Mycroft <dr...@cis.uab.edu> wrote:
>>.>
>>.> >Supreme Court he has been known more for what he has NOT done than
>>.> >for what he has done. Since being on the court he has NOT often
>>.> >articulated his opinion, he has NOT voted against Scalia except in
>>.> >defense of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, and he has NOT taken any opportunity
>>.> >to prove to anyone that he has his own mind.
>>.>
>>.> What a load of crap. This is simply false.
>>.>
>>.> Three minutes of searching on Westlaw turned up the following Scalia-
>>.> Thomas disagreements:
>>.>
>>.> United States v. Williams, 115 S.Ct. 1611 (1995)
>>.> Tome v. United States, 115 S.Ct. 696 (1995)
>>.>
>>Actually Joseph it's not a load of crap, and I doubt you could turn up
>>more. I did not pull that statement out of thin air as you apparently
>>think. That statement came from an Atlanta Constitution article from a
>>couple of years ago. I believe if you did a search the year might have
>>been 1993, but I'm not sure. Anyway, notice that the three cases you
>>cited came AFTER 1993. Maybe Thomas read the constitution article and
>>decided to try to moderate some? Who knows.
>
>Scalia-Thomas disagreements in the following cases:
>
>Richmond v. Lewis, 113 S.Ct. 528 (1992)
>Rowland v. California Men's Colony, 113 S.Ct. 716 (1992)
>Ortega-Rodriguez v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 1190 (1993)
>City of Cincinnati v. Discovery Network, 113 S.Ct. 1505 (1993)
>United States v. McDermott, 113 S.Ct. 1526 (1993)
>Newark Morning Ledger Co. v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 1670 (1993)
>CSX Transp., Inc. v. Easterwood, 113 S.Ct. 1732 (1993)
>Smith v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 2050 (1993)
>Musick, Peeler & Garrett v. Employers Ins., 113 S.Ct. 2085 (1993)
>Good Samaritan Hosp. v. Shalala, 113 S.Ct. 2151 (1993)
>
>There were also a number of separate concurrences, where either Scalia
>or Thomas agreed with the other, but wrote separately anyway. The
>above cases are disagreements about the outcome of the case.
>
>>I noticed you didn't touch the child pornography case. Why not?
>
>disagreement.
>
>>.> Incidentally, I'd be interested to see comparisons of the agreement
>>.> between Scalia and Thomas vs. Brennan and Marshall. My suspicion is
>>.> that Brennan and Marshall agreed with each other more frequently than
>>.> Scalia and Thomas do now, yet no one at the time impugned the
>>.> intellect of either Brennan or Marshall. It's hard not to think that
>>.> people are simply looking for yet another cheap shot to throw at Thomas.
>>
>>See the above response as to why it was not a "cheap shot". Granted,
>>the Atlanta Consitution may not always be right, but I do regard it
>>as a reasonable source of information.
>
>conclusions about the cheap shot.
Good show, Mr. Adams, so refreshing watching one of these Al Sharpton
wannabees getting their chowder head clobbered all over the place, and as
you have so thoroughly demonstrated it isn't at all that difficult. The
weapon of choice -- fact, for time and time again we see when it comes to
Thomas, innuendo, misdirection, and down-right ignorance is their stock in
trade. Their fearless leader Al Sharpton says we must march against
Thomas, gives them a bunch of double-talk of the type you totally
demolish above, and the chowderheads are out in force hounding the poor
man to death.
Idiots!
Nat Turner
--
Michael Zarlenga
Oh my ...it seems Judge Thomas was invited to give an inspirational
speech to a group of black children later this year but had to decline
after the NAACP expressed public opposition to "Uncle Tom" speaking
to young, impressionable black children.
--
-- Mike Zarlenga
finger zarl...@conan.ids.net for PGP public key
"Aks not what your country be for you, aks what you be for
your country." JFK Ebonicized
Mycroft
Nat Turner wrote:
>
[clip a bunch of garbage from an uninformed minstrel cab driver]
> Nat Turner
> --
What was that about quality posts that didn't have personal attacks?
You're such a hypocrite. I would compare you to Ken Hamblin, but
I think he would have the courage to stand up for himself instead
of being a cheering section for someone elses post. How many time
have I busted you now? Oh yeah, and I'm still waiting for you to
go to your "black penal colony".
And why do you take the name of "Nat Turner" since you obviously
do not stand for anything he stood for? That would be like
Fidel Castro taking the name "Dale Carnegie".
Mycroft
.> >>
.> >.>
.> >.> >David, I can believe it. Since Clarence Thomas has been on the
than
.> >.> >for what he has done. Since being on the court he has NOT often
.> >.> >articulated his opinion, he has NOT voted against Scalia except
in
.> >.> >defense of CHILD PORNOGRAPHY, and he has NOT taken any
opportunity
.> >.> >to prove to anyone that he has his own mind.
.> >.>
.> >.> What a load of crap. This is simply false.
.> >.>
.> >.> Three minutes of searching on Westlaw turned up the following
Scalia-
.> >.>
.> >.> Henderson v. United States, 116 S.Ct. 1638 (1996)
.> >.> Tome v. United States, 115 S.Ct. 696 (1995)
.> >.>
.> >Actually Joseph it's not a load of crap, and I doubt you could turn
up
apparently
.> >think. That statement came from an Atlanta Constitution article
from a
.> >couple of years ago. I believe if you did a search the year might
have
.> >been 1993, but I'm not sure. Anyway, notice that the three cases
you
.> >cited came AFTER 1993. Maybe Thomas read the constitution article
and
.> >decided to try to moderate some? Who knows.
.>
.> You shouldn't believe everything you read. The October 1992 Term
contained
.> Scalia-Thomas disagreements in the following cases:
You just repeated me on the "not believing everything read" statement.
Rather
childish but expected.
.>
.> Richmond v. Lewis, 113 S.Ct. 528 (1992)
.> Rowland v. California Men's Colony, 113 S.Ct. 716 (1992)
.> Ortega-Rodriguez v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 1190 (1993)
.> City of Cincinnati v. Discovery Network, 113 S.Ct. 1505 (1993)
.> United States v. McDermott, 113 S.Ct. 1526 (1993)
.> Newark Morning Ledger Co. v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 1670 (1993)
.> CSX Transp., Inc. v. Easterwood, 113 S.Ct. 1732 (1993)
.> Smith v. United States, 113 S.Ct. 2050 (1993)
.> Musick, Peeler & Garrett v. Employers Ins., 113 S.Ct. 2085 (1993)
.> Good Samaritan Hosp. v. Shalala, 113 S.Ct. 2151 (1993)
.>
.> There were also a number of separate concurrences, where either
Scalia
.> or Thomas agreed with the other, but wrote separately anyway. The
.> above cases are disagreements about the outcome of the case.
.>
A handfull of cases, none from Thomas' first years on the court, and not
nearly
enough to draw any correlation. Besides, you've said nothing about the
cases
themselves. There are many cases that come before the court that have
no
overidding policy implications. I'm only concerned about the ones that
do.
.> >I noticed you didn't touch the child pornography case. Why not?
.>
.> Why would I? It's simply one more instance of a Scalia-Thomas
.> disagreement.
.>
You fail to see the significance there. That was one of the few cases
where
Thomas SHOULD have voted with Scalia, that is unless you support child
pornography.
.> >.> Incidentally, I'd be interested to see comparisons of the
agreement
.> >.> between Scalia and Thomas vs. Brennan and Marshall. My suspicion
is
.> >.> that Brennan and Marshall agreed with each other more frequently
than
.> >.> Scalia and Thomas do now, yet no one at the time impugned the
.> >.> intellect of either Brennan or Marshall. It's hard not to think
that
.> >.> people are simply looking for yet another cheap shot to throw at
Thomas.
.> >
.> >See the above response as to why it was not a "cheap shot".
Granted,
.> >the Atlanta Consitution may not always be right, but I do regard it
.> >as a reasonable source of information.
.>
.> See the above cases as to why that information is false. Draw your
own
.> conclusions about the cheap shot.
.>
.> --
.> Joseph G. Adams
.> Stanford Law School, 3L
.> http://www-leland.stanford.edu/~jgadams/
Why don't you do that study you're talking about? I think that would be
most
enlightening.
Nat Turner
In article <01bc0001$943ca160$ad9790cc@benzie>,
blackalice <ray...@henge.com> wrote:
>
>
>Sam Hall <sam...@dkdavis.com> wrote in article
>>
>>
>they are not answering your question, but insulting you.
>Also interesting how they assume that you are not black (as if it made
>a difference).
>
>Samuel L. Hall
>Systems Engineer
>(communications systems)
>
>
>english, Sam? Several people said they didn't think much of Watts
>and they also said that in order to be a middle class black person
>living in the type neighborhood she describes, you do not have to
>subscribe to the beliefs of either Watts or Thomas. Both of you (regardless
>of what color you are) seem to be stuck on the theme that in order
>to be successful as a black person, you have to be a conservative.
>boy card that pushed civil rights forward. Quite the contrary. It's those
>people who get labeled "liberal" like it was a dirty word who did it.
>And back in the old days before the end of the Cold War, they were
>called "communists." It's the conservatives who try to undo what has
>been done. Uncle Thomas is a wonderful example.
>
>alice
>
Not being a politico I admit I know little of why folks get so testy when
the name Clarence Thomas comes up. However, one thing I do know is that
the process of dehumanizing the man is identical to what racists did to
black men for the longest. It's also interesting to note that now in the
bundle of charges his detractors level at him the charge of sexual
harasser a la Anita Hill is no longer on top of the list. My theory about
this is, folks -- the stupid ones -- have now had enough time to realize
how unfair they were towards the man with this particular charge. Anita
Hill presented not a shred of evidence, clearly her fundamental case
against him was "Who you gonna believe -- me a classy black fox, or, him,
short, homely-looking darkskin man (blacker than me!) married to a white
woman? Meanwhile black America still thinks Marion Barry is innocent
no matter the videos, and that OJ Simpson was in bed watching the Disney
channel when Nicole and Ron were butchered. Yeah, so what happened along
the line, I think, is Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson called each other up
and got it together:
JESSE
"Shit, Al, you know we look a little shaky pointing the finger
at Judge Thomas over Anita while not coming down on Marion
and OJ."
SHARPTON
Yeah, Jesse, I was thinking about that shit myself, it is a little
inconsistent. Fuck it, let's come down on everybody then --
n except ourselves, or course."
JESSE
Uh-uh, man, nah, we can't do that. Why, then we'd have to come
down on Ben Chavis, Winnie Mandela, Don King, those Ford brothers
in Tennessee, half the brothers in the NFL and NBA, Ron Brown,
Mike Tyson, Idi Amin, the Wayan brothers, Vanessa Williams, Rue
Paul and the Rodman fella who plays basketball. In other words,
there'd be no end to it."
SHARPTON
Yeah, I hear what you're saying Jesse, and I can dig it, but what
I'm not so clear on is why Clarence Thomas? Why he got to be the
one?
JESSE
Why? What? You wanna take his place you big, fat ignorant mudder
fucker?
SHARPTON
Hey, a simple yes or no would have sufficed, and I ain't gonna be
all them mudder fuckers, bitch.
Anyway, the point here is this business of going around saying "Judge
Thomas is trying to undo all we've accomplished through the Civil Rights
movement" is the kind of demogoguery that has long lulled blacks into
incredible acts of stupidity, the demonization of Thomas being only one.
Obviously, Thomas has a profoundly well-thought out explanation for his
voting record. The problem? It simply doesn't mesh with the throw money
at it, quick fix pork barrel thinking of the race-hustlers and
anit-poverty pimps. Think about it, if
we hadn't squander so much money on Welfare half those crack-smoking
mad-dog niggas choking the life out of our urban centers today would not
have ever been born.
Yeah, this is the kind of shit Judge Thomas wants to bring to a screeching
halt, and you know, I for one, am all for it.
Nat Turner
Soul Proprietor
Fresh Air Cab Co.
"Your riding pleasure is our delight. Stop us at the next green
light."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
--
Mycroft
Joseph G. Adams wrote:
>
> In article <32D926...@cis.uab.edu>, Mycroft <dr...@cis.uab.edu> wrote:
.>
.> >Joseph G. Adams wrote:
.> >>
<dr...@cis.uab.edu> wrote:
.> >.>
.> >.> >Actually Joseph it's not a load of crap, and I doubt you could
turn
.> >.> >apparently think. Th