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ПеаБраин
Apr 13, 2013, 5:57:11 AM4/13/13
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OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
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Alias
Apr 13, 2013, 6:25:43 AM4/13/13
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On 4/13/2013 11:57 AM, ПеаБраин, resident right wing wacko nutcase, wrote:
> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
>
And he said it wasn't enough.
> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
>
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Alias
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2013, 6:22:23 PM4/13/13
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IRS.
Then he can feel good and tell us all how "fair" he is.
Till then, he's just flapping his gums.
BIG BIRD
Apr 13, 2013, 7:07:43 PM4/13/13
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in message
news:tUkat.766530$OJ2....@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
: On 4/13/2013 6:25 AM, Alias wrote:
: > On 4/13/2013 11:57 AM, ????????, resident right wing wacko nutcase, wrote:
: >> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
: >>
: >>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
: >>
: >>
: >
: > And he said it wasn't enough.
: >
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: All he has to do to remedy that is add some zeros onto what he pay the
: IRS.
:
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: Then he can feel good and tell us all how "fair" he is.
:
:
: Till then, he's just flapping his gums.
:
: >> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
: >>
: >>
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
: >>
: >>
: >
: > And he said it wasn't enough.
: >
:
: All he has to do to remedy that is add some zeros onto what he pay the
: IRS.
:
:
: Then he can feel good and tell us all how "fair" he is.
:
:
: Till then, he's just flapping his gums.
so are you, while you're suckin that filthy,stinkin,slimy, angry,old, rich white
man's dick
keep suckin that dirty rich dick boy, see if it makes you rich too
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 13, 2013, 7:44:54 PM4/13/13
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Or maybe NOT, you know with Liberals it's always hard to tell the
difference between their Liberal education and their Tourette's.
BIG BIRD
Apr 13, 2013, 7:49:58 PM4/13/13
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news:5169edf0$0$12422$862e...@ngroups.net...
:
LMAO
it's not hard to tell with you trailer trash hillbillies,crackers, and rednecks,
none of you have any education, that's because you're too ignorant and stupid to
be educated
it's as easy as taking candy from a hillbilly baby to get you low life,inbred,
shitheads to suck that stinkin, filthy,
slimy,angry,old,rich white dick for free
them rich boys just got to tell yall that they gonna trickle on yall
won;t be long before they're makin yall and your wives and daughters suck angry,
rich black dick too
and they'll take the profits
OOOPS, I se they doin it already, them white,fat,hillbilly women and girls loves
that big stinkin, filthy,
slimy black dick
: On 4/13/2013 7:07 PM, BIG BIRD wrote:
: > "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message
: > news:tUkat.766530$OJ2....@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
: > : On 4/13/2013 6:25 AM, Alias wrote:
: > : > On 4/13/2013 11:57 AM, ????????, resident right wing wacko nutcase, wrote:
: > : >> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
:: > : Till then, he's just flapping his gums.
: > "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message
: > news:tUkat.766530$OJ2....@en-nntp-11.dc1.easynews.com...
: > : On 4/13/2013 6:25 AM, Alias wrote:
: > : > On 4/13/2013 11:57 AM, ????????, resident right wing wacko nutcase, wrote:
: > : >> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
: > :
: >
: >
: > so are you, while you're suckin that filthy,stinkin,slimy, angry,old, rich
white
: > man's dick
: >
: > keep suckin that dirty rich dick boy, see if it makes you rich too
: >
: >
:
: A bad day for your Tourette's syndrome, huh?
:
: Or maybe NOT, you know with Liberals it's always hard to tell the
: difference between their Liberal education and their Tourette's.
:
: >
: >
: > so are you, while you're suckin that filthy,stinkin,slimy, angry,old, rich
white
: > man's dick
: >
: > keep suckin that dirty rich dick boy, see if it makes you rich too
: >
: >
:
: A bad day for your Tourette's syndrome, huh?
:
: Or maybe NOT, you know with Liberals it's always hard to tell the
: difference between their Liberal education and their Tourette's.
:
LMAO
it's not hard to tell with you trailer trash hillbillies,crackers, and rednecks,
none of you have any education, that's because you're too ignorant and stupid to
be educated
it's as easy as taking candy from a hillbilly baby to get you low life,inbred,
shitheads to suck that stinkin, filthy,
slimy,angry,old,rich white dick for free
them rich boys just got to tell yall that they gonna trickle on yall
won;t be long before they're makin yall and your wives and daughters suck angry,
rich black dick too
and they'll take the profits
OOOPS, I se they doin it already, them white,fat,hillbilly women and girls loves
that big stinkin, filthy,
slimy black dick
:ПеаБраин
Apr 14, 2013, 6:21:26 AM4/14/13
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On Apr 14, 5:22 am, AliASS <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 4/14/2013 3:02 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
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> > "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote innews:kkcjrl$i99$1...@dont-email.me:
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> >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:kkbbla$4s4$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 4/13/2013 11:59 AM, ????????, resident right wing wacko nutcase,
> >>>> 8284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
> >> point?
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> > The point is that the Obamessiah only wants rich, white conservatives to
> > pay their "fair share," while he, of course, feels no compulsion to do
> > so.
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> > So, you see, he's not only a narcissistic liar, but a charlatan as well.
> > (Can you spell HYPOCRITE? I knew you could.)
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> What is there about Obama stating he should pay more that you don't
> understand?
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> AliASS
Obama pays lower tax rate than his secretary
@CNNMoney April 13, 2012: 4:04 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) .
The White House said Friday that President Obama has a lower effective
tax rate than his secretary.
... the White House released Obama's 2011 tax returns, which showed an
adjusted gross income of $789,674 for the first family, and an
effective federal income tax rate of 20.5%....."
And now we learn about an even lower tax rate for 2012.
Try, again to spell 'HYPOCRITE', AliASS
> On 4/14/2013 3:02 AM, Joe Cooper wrote:
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> > "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote innews:kkcjrl$i99$1...@dont-email.me:
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> >> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.com.invalid> wrote in message
> >>news:kkbbla$4s4$1...@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 4/13/2013 11:59 AM, ????????, resident right wing wacko nutcase,
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
>
> >>>>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732424080457841884228279
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> >>>> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
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> >>>> 8284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
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> >>> And he said it wasn't enough.
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> >> Mittens pays 13% but due to a mistake it should be 11% so what's the
> >>> And he said it wasn't enough.
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> >> point?
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> > The point is that the Obamessiah only wants rich, white conservatives to
> > pay their "fair share," while he, of course, feels no compulsion to do
> > so.
>
> > So, you see, he's not only a narcissistic liar, but a charlatan as well.
> > (Can you spell HYPOCRITE? I knew you could.)
.....................................................................................................
> What is there about Obama stating he should pay more that you don't
> understand?
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> AliASS
Obama pays lower tax rate than his secretary
@CNNMoney April 13, 2012: 4:04 PM ET
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) .
The White House said Friday that President Obama has a lower effective
tax rate than his secretary.
... the White House released Obama's 2011 tax returns, which showed an
adjusted gross income of $789,674 for the first family, and an
effective federal income tax rate of 20.5%....."
And now we learn about an even lower tax rate for 2012.
Try, again to spell 'HYPOCRITE', AliASS
Alias
Apr 14, 2013, 6:26:23 AM4/14/13
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REPUBLICANS don't want to raise the rates on the rich. Can you spell
"IDIOT", immature little boy?
--
Alias
Poetic Justice
Apr 14, 2013, 3:50:54 PM4/14/13
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Alias wrote;
>This is why Obama wants to tax the rich
>more.
How about 'Leading by Example'?
There's no reason why the current tax laws should force him not to pay
*his* fair share that *he* so strongly believes in.
There are very simple solutions if Obama feels that 18.4% for his 'after
deductions' $600,000 tax bracket isn't *his* 'fair share'.
1st off he cannot send the IRS more money for his taxes, they will just
return it to him.
Tax money funds the US government and the IRS just speads it around.
They are just a middleman between the taxpayer's money and the resulting
government funds distributed to each department.
Say Obama believes that his 'fair share' of taxes should be double at
36.8%.
All he has to do is sent the government a check or checks for the other
18.4% he believes he owes.
He can send it to the Treasury's 'Bureau of Public Debt' to help pay
down our $16.8 trillion debt.
Or to 'Gifts to the U.S. Fund' which is the US Treasury's 'General
Fund'.
Or he can send his money directly to most US government's Departments
(Health, Science, VA, etc).
Any money they are not authorized to accept is simply sent to the
Treasury's General Fund.
>This is why Obama wants to tax the rich
>more.
There's no reason why the current tax laws should force him not to pay
*his* fair share that *he* so strongly believes in.
There are very simple solutions if Obama feels that 18.4% for his 'after
deductions' $600,000 tax bracket isn't *his* 'fair share'.
1st off he cannot send the IRS more money for his taxes, they will just
return it to him.
Tax money funds the US government and the IRS just speads it around.
They are just a middleman between the taxpayer's money and the resulting
government funds distributed to each department.
Say Obama believes that his 'fair share' of taxes should be double at
36.8%.
All he has to do is sent the government a check or checks for the other
18.4% he believes he owes.
He can send it to the Treasury's 'Bureau of Public Debt' to help pay
down our $16.8 trillion debt.
Or to 'Gifts to the U.S. Fund' which is the US Treasury's 'General
Fund'.
Or he can send his money directly to most US government's Departments
(Health, Science, VA, etc).
Any money they are not authorized to accept is simply sent to the
Treasury's General Fund.
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 14, 2013, 5:25:59 PM4/14/13
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> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732424080457841884228279...
The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity, or almost 25%. The combned
tax plus donations was over 40%.
How much did you contribute? Was it a larger amount? Was it a higher
percentage?
Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a good Mormon, he must have tithed,
right?).
The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity, or almost 25%. The combned
tax plus donations was over 40%.
How much did you contribute? Was it a larger amount? Was it a higher
percentage?
Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a good Mormon, he must have tithed,
right?).
Alias
Apr 14, 2013, 7:01:45 PM4/14/13
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gesture if he did do any of the above.
--
Alias
Poetic Justice
Apr 14, 2013, 7:12:34 PM4/14/13
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jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity,
>or almost 25%. The combned
>tax plus donations was over 40%.[snip]
>Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a
>good Mormon, he must have tithed,
>right?).
Mitt Romney; 13.5% average over 20yrs (1991-2011) Total over 50 Million
dollars.
Obama; (2000-2004) 1% average: (2005-2006) 5% average: (2007) 5.7%:
(2008) 6.5%: (2009) 5.9% on 5.5 Million dollars): (2010) 14%: (2011)
22%: (2012) 25%:
VP Joe Biden; (1998-2008) 0.3%: (2010) 1.46%:
>The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity,
>or almost 25%. The combned
>Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a
>good Mormon, he must have tithed,
>right?).
dollars.
Obama; (2000-2004) 1% average: (2005-2006) 5% average: (2007) 5.7%:
(2008) 6.5%: (2009) 5.9% on 5.5 Million dollars): (2010) 14%: (2011)
22%: (2012) 25%:
VP Joe Biden; (1998-2008) 0.3%: (2010) 1.46%:
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 14, 2013, 8:34:51 PM4/14/13
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jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 15, 2013, 1:18:37 AM4/15/13
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On Apr 14, 4:12 pm, paradisel...@webtv.net (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> Mitt Romney; 13.5% average over 20yrs (1991-2011) Total over 50 Million
> dollars.
>
> Obama; (2000-2004) 1% average: (2005-2006) 5% average: (2007) 5.7%:
> (2008) 6.5%: (2009) 5.9% on 5.5 Million dollars): (2010) 14%: (2011)
> 22%: (2012) 25%:
>
> VP Joe Biden; (1998-2008) 0.3%: (2010) 1.46%:
The real question, which you ignored, was how much did ПеаБраин pay?
> Mitt Romney; 13.5% average over 20yrs (1991-2011) Total over 50 Million
> dollars.
>
> Obama; (2000-2004) 1% average: (2005-2006) 5% average: (2007) 5.7%:
> (2008) 6.5%: (2009) 5.9% on 5.5 Million dollars): (2010) 14%: (2011)
> 22%: (2012) 25%:
>
> VP Joe Biden; (1998-2008) 0.3%: (2010) 1.46%:
(since she started it and brought up the subject). I would be
surprised if it was larger than the amount or the rate paid by the
Obams.
Poetic Justice
Apr 15, 2013, 12:35:15 PM4/15/13
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jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>The real question, which you ignored, was
>how much did ПеаÐ'раин pay?
You made this statement.
>The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity,
>or almost 25%. The combned
>tax plus donations was over 40%.
You then asked an anonymous poster this question that *only* they could
answer which I clearly showed in my post that I snipped [snip].
>How much did you contribute? Was it a
>larger amount? Was it a higher
>percentage?
Then you asked this question (which is actually 2 questions) unrelated
to the anonymous poster.
>Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a
>good Mormon, he must have tithed,
>right?).
Which I then answered. Sorry that you didn't like the results.
And you brought-up Romney as a "good Mormon", well how about Obama as a
"good Christian"?
Alot of Romney's money went to his church which like most religions has
a bad past history for things like racism but not in the 21C.
Obama's church is racist, anti-Semitic and on the lunatic fringe (US
gov't invented AIDS to kill off the Black Race) in the 21C.
Obama & his family sat in that church for 20yrs and he visited its
racist Pastor in his home 100's of times.
His "charity donations" also went to this church (2006 they received 1/3
or $27,000).
So prior to his 2004 DNC speech where he was discovered (Presidental
material) as a 1st term US Senator with less that 2 yrs on the job and a
terrible voting record, I wonder what percentage of his donated money
went to fund his racist church.
I bet it was alot higher that 1/3?
And oddly the church he donated too was also made this 'special
donation' offer;
Obama's campaign in 2008 offered that Pastor $150,000 to shut-up until
after the elections.
Obama also visited his Pastor in private to try and convince him to be
quiet until after the elections.
Those are both statements made his long time friend, mentor and Pastor.
>The real question, which you ignored, was
You made this statement.
>The Obamas gave over $150K to charirity,
>or almost 25%. The combned
>tax plus donations was over 40%.
answer which I clearly showed in my post that I snipped [snip].
>How much did you contribute? Was it a
>larger amount? Was it a higher
>percentage?
to the anonymous poster.
>Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a
>good Mormon, he must have tithed,
>right?).
And you brought-up Romney as a "good Mormon", well how about Obama as a
"good Christian"?
Alot of Romney's money went to his church which like most religions has
a bad past history for things like racism but not in the 21C.
Obama's church is racist, anti-Semitic and on the lunatic fringe (US
gov't invented AIDS to kill off the Black Race) in the 21C.
Obama & his family sat in that church for 20yrs and he visited its
racist Pastor in his home 100's of times.
His "charity donations" also went to this church (2006 they received 1/3
or $27,000).
So prior to his 2004 DNC speech where he was discovered (Presidental
material) as a 1st term US Senator with less that 2 yrs on the job and a
terrible voting record, I wonder what percentage of his donated money
went to fund his racist church.
I bet it was alot higher that 1/3?
And oddly the church he donated too was also made this 'special
donation' offer;
Obama's campaign in 2008 offered that Pastor $150,000 to shut-up until
after the elections.
Obama also visited his Pastor in private to try and convince him to be
quiet until after the elections.
Those are both statements made his long time friend, mentor and Pastor.
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 15, 2013, 1:04:27 PM4/15/13
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On Apr 15, 9:35 am, paradisel...@webtv.net (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>
> And you brought-up Romney as a "good Mormon", well how about Obama as a
> "good Christian"?
I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm and he was born in Kenya.
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
> >Did Mitt donate more than 12% (as a
> >good Mormon, he must have tithed,
> >right?).
>
> Which I then answered. Sorry that you didn't like the results.
OK. Point taken.
> >good Mormon, he must have tithed,
> >right?).
>
> Which I then answered. Sorry that you didn't like the results.
>
> And you brought-up Romney as a "good Mormon", well how about Obama as a
> "good Christian"?
Poetic Justice
Apr 15, 2013, 3:41:40 PM4/15/13
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>And you brought-up Romney as a "good
>Mormon", well how about Obama as a
>"good Christian"?
jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>Mormon", well how about Obama as a
>"good Christian"?
>I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm
>and he was born in Kenya.
built by aliens from outer space.
And your point was?
Anyway it's my understanding (I'm a Atheist) that a "good Christian"
does not attend racist, anti-Semitic and lunatic anti-government
conspiracy-nut rants in their churches?
And then go on to call the Pastor of this type of church "a close long
time personal friend and personal mentor" with 100's of 1-on-1 meetings?
This isn't from some whacko website!
This is all this is backed-up by evidence, audio, video, pamphlets,
books, interviews, speeches, etc plus accounts by Obama and his Pastor
themselves.
If Mitt Romney (or any white politican) had *ever* attended the White
mirror image of that type of church (example
www.christianidentitychurch.net/) for more than 1 sermon never mind
20yrs of them their political career would never have even begun, they
couldn't get elected 'Dog Catcher' in a small town.
Very odd that this was just a *minor* bump in the road for Obama's 2008
campaign and completely off the radar for 2012?
Yet *every* minor detail from Romney's past with some out-right lies
(like Harry Reid's "Romney didn't pay taxes" lie) was broadcast nightly?
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 15, 2013, 6:25:22 PM4/15/13
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On Apr 15, 12:41 pm, paradisel...@webtv.net (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> >And you brought-up Romney as a "good
> >Mormon", well how about Obama as a
> >"good Christian"?
>
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>
> >I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm
> >and he was born in Kenya.
>
> And I've read on the Internet that the Pyramids and Stonehedge were
> built by aliens from outer space.
>
> And your point was?
I do not recall any public proof that he is a Christian. Have you
> >And you brought-up Romney as a "good
> >Mormon", well how about Obama as a
> >"good Christian"?
>
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>
> >I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm
> >and he was born in Kenya.
>
> And I've read on the Internet that the Pyramids and Stonehedge were
> built by aliens from outer space.
>
> And your point was?
seen his baptismal certificate? Has anyone come forward saying they
witnessed his baptism? I remember seeing a video of a lady at a
McCain rally who flatly declared that Obama is a Moselm. Why is a
"fact" found on the internet, especially a usenet newsgroup,
credible?
David Hatunen
Apr 15, 2013, 10:52:15 PM4/15/13
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income. But the tax paid is not actually based on the adjusted gross
income; it is based on the taxable income, income after all charitable
donations, etc., have been deducted from the adjusted gross income.
See
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324240804578418842282798284.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird
http://tinyurl.com/brx78k6
where the Wall Street Journal lists some of the Obamas' charitable
deductions.
He, like Warren Buffet, freely admits his tax rate is too low. So his
budget has the riche paying more taxes, and if it passes HE will have
to pay more taxes.
How do the Republicans feel about this idea?
Dave Hatunen, Tucson
Free Baja Arizona
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 16, 2013, 12:11:46 AM4/16/13
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On 4/15/2013 3:41 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>
>> I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm
>> and he was born in Kenya.
>
> And I've read on the Internet that the Pyramids and Stonehedge were
> built by aliens from outer space.
>
There are a lot of Muslims born in Kenya, it really isn't unusual.
> jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>
>> I read on the Internet that he is a Moselm
>> and he was born in Kenya.
>
> And I've read on the Internet that the Pyramids and Stonehedge were
> built by aliens from outer space.
>
Poetic Justice
Apr 16, 2013, 11:53:47 AM4/16/13
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jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>I do not recall any public proof that he is a
>Christian.
What type of proof? Like an official gov't document?
>Have you seen his baptismal certificate?
No, and I've never seen mine either. I don't even know if one ever
existed?
I was taken by my father and my Irish Catholic bitch from Hell
grandmother and 2 other Catholic relatives as an infant, mid-week during
the day and given an emergency Catholic Baptism so I wouldn't go to
Hell. My Protestant mother wasn't allowed to go.
My other grandmother was baptized for the 1st time in her 60's while in
her hospital bed. Never saw any certificate when I arrived hours later.
>Has anyone come forward saying they
>witnessed his baptism?
Why would they?
Because you're questioning it?
It possibly never happened and wasn't required (see below).
And a quick google shows that his church doesn't require baptism to
attend or become a member.
They are a fringe church where they can make-up their own rules.
I know the Catholics want and keep a paper trail (baptism, communion,
confermation, etc).
I could join a Protestant church next Sunday with no 'baptism
certificate' or official ID.
As a child I belonged to 3 different Protestant churches that I joined
and went to 1st with an aunt and then later 2 childhood friends.
No baptism certificate was required to attend and enroll in their
'Sunday School'.
>I remember seeing a video of a lady at a
>McCain rally who flatly declared that
>Obama is a Moselm.
You're going off the rails again here with this nonsense.
>Why is a "fact" found on the internet,
>especially a usenet newsgroup, credible?
What "fact" are you talking about???
Obama says he's a Christian in his books, his speeches, interviews,
videos, etc.
Joined a "christian" church and stayed for 20yrs, got married in it,
baptized his kids in it, gave money to it and then left it when it
effected his 2008 campaign.
And I just saw him on TV leaving a Christian church on Easter.
I think all that gives him the title Christian.
Do I personally believe in his heart and mind he is a true believer?
No, I think he is an Atheist like myself and joined that church for
future career and political goals in Chicago's Black community.
But that is my "opinion", the "fact" is he has done everything for the
last 25yrs needed to be called 'Christian'.
If someone calls themselves Gay or Lesbian and for 25yrs they live that
lifestyle would you doubt that also because it can't be confirmed?
And I can't prove that I've been an Atheist for the last 45yrs.
For the 2010 Census the gov't spent millions on media ads telling people
to specificly claim their Race or Ethnic Group for various reasons.
My would be 'White' (non Hispanic).
Obama's choices were 'White', (IIRC) 'Black/Afro-American/Negro' or
'Bi-Racial'.
His mother couldn't have been anymore whiter and his African father
anymore blacker.
Yet he checked one of the boxes for 'Black/Afro-American/Negro'.
Obama can be whatever he wants to be it seems, so why not a Christian?
>I do not recall any public proof that he is a
>Christian.
>Have you seen his baptismal certificate?
existed?
I was taken by my father and my Irish Catholic bitch from Hell
grandmother and 2 other Catholic relatives as an infant, mid-week during
the day and given an emergency Catholic Baptism so I wouldn't go to
Hell. My Protestant mother wasn't allowed to go.
My other grandmother was baptized for the 1st time in her 60's while in
her hospital bed. Never saw any certificate when I arrived hours later.
>Has anyone come forward saying they
>witnessed his baptism?
Because you're questioning it?
It possibly never happened and wasn't required (see below).
And a quick google shows that his church doesn't require baptism to
attend or become a member.
They are a fringe church where they can make-up their own rules.
I know the Catholics want and keep a paper trail (baptism, communion,
confermation, etc).
I could join a Protestant church next Sunday with no 'baptism
certificate' or official ID.
As a child I belonged to 3 different Protestant churches that I joined
and went to 1st with an aunt and then later 2 childhood friends.
No baptism certificate was required to attend and enroll in their
'Sunday School'.
>I remember seeing a video of a lady at a
>McCain rally who flatly declared that
>Obama is a Moselm.
>Why is a "fact" found on the internet,
>especially a usenet newsgroup, credible?
Obama says he's a Christian in his books, his speeches, interviews,
videos, etc.
Joined a "christian" church and stayed for 20yrs, got married in it,
baptized his kids in it, gave money to it and then left it when it
effected his 2008 campaign.
And I just saw him on TV leaving a Christian church on Easter.
I think all that gives him the title Christian.
Do I personally believe in his heart and mind he is a true believer?
No, I think he is an Atheist like myself and joined that church for
future career and political goals in Chicago's Black community.
But that is my "opinion", the "fact" is he has done everything for the
last 25yrs needed to be called 'Christian'.
If someone calls themselves Gay or Lesbian and for 25yrs they live that
lifestyle would you doubt that also because it can't be confirmed?
And I can't prove that I've been an Atheist for the last 45yrs.
For the 2010 Census the gov't spent millions on media ads telling people
to specificly claim their Race or Ethnic Group for various reasons.
My would be 'White' (non Hispanic).
Obama's choices were 'White', (IIRC) 'Black/Afro-American/Negro' or
'Bi-Racial'.
His mother couldn't have been anymore whiter and his African father
anymore blacker.
Yet he checked one of the boxes for 'Black/Afro-American/Negro'.
Obama can be whatever he wants to be it seems, so why not a Christian?
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 16, 2013, 8:07:27 PM4/16/13
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On Apr 16, 8:53 am, paradisel...@webtv.net (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> What "fact" are you talking about???
You are the one who raised the issue of his Christianity.
> What "fact" are you talking about???
> Obama says he's a Christian in his books, his speeches, interviews,
> videos, etc.
haters who deny that. Also, I have seen on the internet a very
realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya; it appears
to contradict the one put out by the White House. If people question
his veractiy on his birthplace, why not also on his religious
membersbhip?
> I think all that gives him the title Christian.
Poetic Justice
Apr 16, 2013, 10:02:59 PM4/16/13
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[What "fact" are you talking about???]
jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>You are the one who raised the issue of
>his Christianity.
You are the one who raised the issue of Romney's Christianity ("good
Mormon") which you seem to accept wholeheartedly...Why that as opposed
to Obama's Christianity other than wanting to get into a pissing
contest?
[Obama says he's a Christian in his books,
That is called a "fact" and in my statement above I give you 25yrs
worth, videos, audios, interviews, self authored books, etc and not
bullshit websites.
>There are a lot of Obama- haters who
>deny that.
Why are *your* facts always from the lunatic fringe...Always?
>Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>realistic-looking document thay said he
>was born in Kenya; it appears to
>contradict the one put out by the White
>House.
Again with the lunatic fringe fucking websites!
>If people question his veractiy on his
>birthplace,
Yes people from the lunatic fringe deny facts and replace it with
bullshit or is that also your version of facts???
>why not also on his religious
>membersbhip?
"religious membersbhip" isn't in question, he was an accepted member of
one Christian Church for 20yrs that married him and baptized his
children.
The IRS even allowed his donations to that church which they accepted as
legitimite church.
>[I think all that gives him the title
You see rational people look at facts vs lunatic fringe websites and
theories.
Just because I hate Obama doesn't mean I can't see that he was a
legitimite "member" of a Christian church.
My *opinion* that he just joined to advance his career and future
politican goals is an *opinion* and I would never use lunatic fringe
websites or theories to try and support it.
Because it can't be proven with facts, as it is just an opinion!
But I guess seeing that the only proof/facts you ever offer is from the
lunatic fringe and that must be where *you* are also coming from? And
that's a fact!
Good-Bye.
jf...@my-deja.com wrote;
>You are the one who raised the issue of
>his Christianity.
Mormon") which you seem to accept wholeheartedly...Why that as opposed
to Obama's Christianity other than wanting to get into a pissing
contest?
[Obama says he's a Christian in his books,
his speeches, interviews, videos, etc.]
>He also said that he was born in Hawaii.
Yes he was born in Hawaii.
>He also said that he was born in Hawaii.
That is called a "fact" and in my statement above I give you 25yrs
worth, videos, audios, interviews, self authored books, etc and not
bullshit websites.
>There are a lot of Obama- haters who
>deny that.
>Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>realistic-looking document thay said he
>was born in Kenya; it appears to
>contradict the one put out by the White
>House.
>If people question his veractiy on his
>birthplace,
bullshit or is that also your version of facts???
>why not also on his religious
>membersbhip?
one Christian Church for 20yrs that married him and baptized his
children.
The IRS even allowed his donations to that church which they accepted as
legitimite church.
>[I think all that gives him the title
>Christian.]
>It is obviously enough for you to accept
>that conclusion.
Rational people would also accept this conclusion.
>It is obviously enough for you to accept
>that conclusion.
You see rational people look at facts vs lunatic fringe websites and
theories.
Just because I hate Obama doesn't mean I can't see that he was a
legitimite "member" of a Christian church.
My *opinion* that he just joined to advance his career and future
politican goals is an *opinion* and I would never use lunatic fringe
websites or theories to try and support it.
Because it can't be proven with facts, as it is just an opinion!
But I guess seeing that the only proof/facts you ever offer is from the
lunatic fringe and that must be where *you* are also coming from? And
that's a fact!
Good-Bye.
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 17, 2013, 1:23:58 AM4/17/13
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On Apr 16, 7:02 pm, paradisel...@webtv.net (Poetic Justice) wrote:
> You are the one who raised the issue of Romney's Christianity ("good
> Mormon") which you seem to accept wholeheartedly...
I assumed he was a "good Mormon" because of his publicly documented
> You are the one who raised the issue of Romney's Christianity ("good
> Mormon") which you seem to accept wholeheartedly...
status as a bishop in the Mormon church. I am not a Mormon, but I
suspect it would be difficult to achieve that status if they thought
he did not tithe. But, I never asserted that he was a Christian since
the Mormons do not believe in the tenets of Christianity as set forth
by the Council of Nicea.
> >Also, I have seen on the internet a very
> >realistic-looking document thay said he
> >was born in Kenya; it appears to
> >contradict the one put out by the White
> >House.
>
> Again with the lunatic fringe fucking websites!
on the internet, especially if it comes from an off-topic usent
posting that gets cross-posted to other irrelevant groups (that
includes this series of posts).
> The IRS even allowed his donations to that church which they accepted as
> legitimite church.
non-Christian houses of worship are also tax-exempt under section
501c(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
> Good-Bye.
We were having so much fun
Bill
Apr 17, 2013, 4:10:33 AM4/17/13
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On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
<jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
If you think that's realistic I have a bridge for sale...
<jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
There was no independent Kenya when he was born...
jf...@my-deja.com
Apr 17, 2013, 10:02:41 AM4/17/13
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On Apr 17, 1:10 am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There was no independent Kenya when he was born...
Those forgers knew that. I am working from memory and I did not
> There was no independent Kenya when he was born...
bother trying to find it again, but I recall that it said something
like "British Protectorate of East Africa". My guess is that they
photoshopped a legitimate document from that time period. Don't
believe everything you find on the internet, especially off-topic
usenet posts.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 12:34:32 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 4:10 AM, Bill wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>> realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
>
> If you think that's realistic I have a bridge for sale...
>
Does it look as good as Obama's "INTERNET" Hawaii birth certificate?
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>> realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
>
> If you think that's realistic I have a bridge for sale...
>
You know Hawaii didn't have Social Security numbers from Connecticut Or
RI, or where ever Obama's SS is from.... and they had a different style
Birth certificate type in Hawaii when Obama was born than the one he has
on the internet.
So the Social Security mismatch and the Birth certificate mismatch make
the documents less than absolute evidence of Obama's origin.
BUT Obama's origin is less important than his lack of American ideals.
Even if Obama was born here, he is lacking what it takes to be a real
American. He has no love of country.... He loves Socialism and that's it.
Alias
Apr 17, 2013, 1:08:39 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 6:34 PM, BeamMeUpScotty wrote:
> He loves Socialism and that's it.
So do you.
> He loves Socialism and that's it.
--
Alias
Nickname unavailable
Apr 17, 2013, 1:10:36 PM4/17/13
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On Apr 13, 4:57 am, ПеаБраин <lapuant...@aol.com> wrote:
> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732424080457841884228279...
if that is what the laws says, then yes. if you expect him to
> OBAMA ONLY PAYS TAX RATE OF 18%?
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732424080457841884228279...
volunteer to pay more, why should he pay and subsidize wealthy tax
parasitical avoiders.
Poetic Justice
Apr 17, 2013, 3:05:03 PM4/17/13
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BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>You know Hawaii didn't have Social
>Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
>or where ever Obama's SS is from....
It was from Connecticut.
If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
And he mails it in.
If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
application in Hawaii.
It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
issued, I've had a SSN since ~1967 and I never knew those 1st 3 numbers
were a state code.
Any person who is not a US citizen but legal can get a SSN.
Even *IF* Obama was born in Kenya by his American mother he could still
legally as a teenager in Hawaii apply for and receive a SSN as a US
citizen or even if he was legally a non-citizen which he wasn't.
Now why would a teenage boy who needs a SSN to *Scoop Ice Cream* for
Baskin Robbins have hatched this elaborate plot to get his perfectly
legal SSN issued from another state?
>You know Hawaii didn't have Social
>Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
>or where ever Obama's SS is from....
If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
And he mails it in.
If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
application in Hawaii.
It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
issued, I've had a SSN since ~1967 and I never knew those 1st 3 numbers
were a state code.
Any person who is not a US citizen but legal can get a SSN.
Even *IF* Obama was born in Kenya by his American mother he could still
legally as a teenager in Hawaii apply for and receive a SSN as a US
citizen or even if he was legally a non-citizen which he wasn't.
Now why would a teenage boy who needs a SSN to *Scoop Ice Cream* for
Baskin Robbins have hatched this elaborate plot to get his perfectly
legal SSN issued from another state?
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 3:49:57 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 3:05 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
>> You know Hawaii didn't have Social
>> Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
>> or where ever Obama's SS is from....
>
> It was from Connecticut.
>
> If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
> you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
>
> That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
> a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
>
> Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
> Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
> And he mails it in.
>
> If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
> a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
> only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
> issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
>
> The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
> 1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
>
> His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
> application in Hawaii.
>
> It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
> issued,
SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut and this circle of confusion is all
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
>> You know Hawaii didn't have Social
>> Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
>> or where ever Obama's SS is from....
>
> It was from Connecticut.
>
> If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
> you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
>
> That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
> a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
>
> Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
> Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
> And he mails it in.
>
> If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
> a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
> only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
> issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
>
> The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
> 1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
>
> His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
> application in Hawaii.
>
> It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
> issued,
a big Government screw up?
But Obama wants more government and to let in more people that have
documents as confusing as his with NO real screening?
What are the odds that all these "mistakes" that point to Obama being
something other than who he says, are just mistakes?
Still we have the question of who is Obama, he still doesn't profess any
love for America, and he proves that.... every time he says America is
the greatest nation but he wants to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.
If we are the "Greatest Nation" then why would we need to
"fundamentally" change that? Unless Obama really doesn't like America.
Obama has called me his "enemy" that again makes him appear to be
outside of American culture since I am a born and raise AMERICAN 100%
flag waving and proud of the last 200+ years of this Nation, It was
never perfect as the fonder acknowledged and we have grown with that as
our reason for changing but we were never and are not FUNDAMENTALLY
wrong, evil or broken. So we need NOT undergo a FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE.
Obama has views that are foreign to American life and values.
So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 5:04:01 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 4:50 PM, wien9al...@gmail.com wrote:
>> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
>> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
>> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
>> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
>
> ...... What evidence have you got that "Obama hatws America"? I don't think that any president has the power "to force anyone to be fundamentally changed
>> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
>> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
>> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
>> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVzMzX4hiE
Which one of you is lying to me? YOU OR OBAMA?
--
*Rumination*
#13.0.1 - Governments are parasites that will grow until they kill their
host.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 5:12:03 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 4:50 PM, wien9al...@gmail.com wrote:
>> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
>> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
>> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
>> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
>
> ...... What evidence have you got that "Obama hatws America"? I don't think that any president has the power "to force anyone to be fundamentally changed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVzMzX4hiE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoBIqwuw6Q
>> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
>> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
>> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
>> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
>
> ...... What evidence have you got that "Obama hatws America"? I don't think that any president has the power "to force anyone to be fundamentally changed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVzMzX4hiE
Which one of you is lying to me? YOU OR OBAMA?
--
*Rumination*
discovered by accident or by genius, it's always the truth.
David Hatunen
Apr 17, 2013, 5:22:44 PM4/17/13
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Bill
Apr 17, 2013, 6:12:56 PM4/17/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 07:02:41 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
<jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Apr 17, 1:10�am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There was no independent Kenya when he was born...
>Those forgers knew that. I am working from memory and I did not
>bother trying to find it again, but I recall that it said something
>like "British Protectorate of East Africa".
It wasn't called that either...
<jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On Apr 17, 1:10�am, Bill <blackuse...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> There was no independent Kenya when he was born...
>Those forgers knew that. I am working from memory and I did not
>bother trying to find it again, but I recall that it said something
>like "British Protectorate of East Africa".
Bill
Apr 17, 2013, 6:19:01 PM4/17/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:34:32 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2013 4:10 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
>> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>>> realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
>>
>> If you think that's realistic I have a bridge for sale...
>>
>
>Does it look as good as Obama's "INTERNET" Hawaii birth certificate?
>
It looks like something run up on a child's toy printing set...
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2013 4:10 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2013 17:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
>> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Also, I have seen on the internet a very
>>> realistic-looking document thay said he was born in Kenya
>>
>> If you think that's realistic I have a bridge for sale...
>>
>
>Does it look as good as Obama's "INTERNET" Hawaii birth certificate?
>
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=obama+kenyan+birth+certificate&sa=X&hl=en&biw=1136&bih=880&tbm=isch&tbnid=m0Uz2HAhS6eSGM:&imgrefurl=http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D217063%26page%3D2&docid=8-r2tvU7tBJFdM&imgurl=http://badgoneblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Obama-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate.jpg&w=666&h=915&ei=HB9vUcH9Aqab0wX9hoG4CQ&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:21,s:0,i:157&iact=rc&dur=1479&page=2&tbnh=179&tbnw=130&start=20&ndsp=27&tx=85&ty=113
>BUT Obama's origin is less important than his lack of American ideals.
>
>
>Even if Obama was born here, he is lacking what it takes to be a real
>American. He has no love of country.... He loves Socialism and that's it.
How unamerican of you...
Poetic Justice
Apr 17, 2013, 6:47:01 PM4/17/13
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BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
>and this circle of confusion is all a big
>Government screw up?
choir.
I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
1st Tea Party rally on April 15, 2009 because I believed we were screwed
(saddly it's one of the few things in life I've been 100% right on).
But we have enough facts to support our position without resorting to
lunatic theories that any rational person can disprove.
Can you not accept that either a 16yr old boy's penmenship sucked or low
level government clerk mistyped ***1*** number of a Zip Code on an
application?
But yet you still try and tie a minor "mistake" made 36yrs ago on a
teenage boy's application for a SSN to a vast Left Wing 21C conspiracy?
If you still believe that it's easy to see why all the 'birth
certificate' nonsense makes sense to you also.
Just like;
9/11 Truther's believe Bush had the Twin Tower's destroyed.
And the Moon landing was faked.
And everything in Oliver Stone's JFK movie is fact.
Etc, Etc, Etc....
>SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
>and this circle of confusion is all a big
>Government screw up?
>What are the odds that all these
>"mistakes" that point to Obama being
>something other than who he says, are
>just mistakes?
BeamMeUpScotty as far as Obama's ideology you are preaching to the
>"mistakes" that point to Obama being
>something other than who he says, are
>just mistakes?
choir.
I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
1st Tea Party rally on April 15, 2009 because I believed we were screwed
(saddly it's one of the few things in life I've been 100% right on).
But we have enough facts to support our position without resorting to
lunatic theories that any rational person can disprove.
Can you not accept that either a 16yr old boy's penmenship sucked or low
level government clerk mistyped ***1*** number of a Zip Code on an
application?
But yet you still try and tie a minor "mistake" made 36yrs ago on a
teenage boy's application for a SSN to a vast Left Wing 21C conspiracy?
If you still believe that it's easy to see why all the 'birth
certificate' nonsense makes sense to you also.
Just like;
9/11 Truther's believe Bush had the Twin Tower's destroyed.
And the Moon landing was faked.
And everything in Oliver Stone's JFK movie is fact.
Etc, Etc, Etc....
Poetic Justice
Apr 17, 2013, 8:19:07 PM4/17/13
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>Does it look as good as Obama's
>"INTERNET" Hawaii birth certificate?
Bill wrote;
>"INTERNET" Hawaii birth certificate?
>It looks like something run up on a child's
Actually it is this one. Which has been 100% proven to be an official
government issued birth certificate.
www.theobamafile.com/_images/LucaSmithObamaBirthCertificate.jpg
OR
http://tinyurl.com/d7o6rao
Except for 1 little problem.
It was issued to a man in Australia who in his later years posted it
online for his family's geneology.
And with a bit of computer magic it became Obama's Kenyan birth
certificate.
They retained the same ID number and he was tracked down and
interviewed, he thought it was humorous:-).
And his certificate had the exact same folds in it?
Which is also odd because they claimed they got and photographed the
original certificate from a Kenyan gov't records office but being a poor
country perhaps they can't afford file folders and just fold-up all
their official documents?
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 8:36:41 PM4/17/13
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don't change what doesn't need change unless you just hate it.
But you deleted that point when I made it in the last post so that you
could misrepresent what I had said in this carefully edited post and you
could call me un-American but we've all seen that Liberal trick and we
know your tactics.
All you did was make yourself look dishonest.
All Obama needs to do is believe in America, that's what I said.
And he obviously doesn't because he is going yo force a "FUNDAMENTAL"
change in America. Meaning he thinks America is rotten to the core.
Now delete 99% of what I wrote and try to post some new lies.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 8:50:50 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 6:47 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
>> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
>> and this circle of confusion is all a big
>> Government screw up?
>
>> What are the odds that all these
>> "mistakes" that point to Obama being
>> something other than who he says, are
>> just mistakes?
>
> BeamMeUpScotty as far as Obama's ideology you are preaching to the
> choir.
>
> I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
> I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
> Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
> I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
> 1st Tea Party rally on April 15, 2009 because I believed we were screwed
> (saddly it's one of the few things in life I've been 100% right on).
>
> But we have enough facts to support our position without resorting to
> lunatic theories that any rational person can disprove.
>
> Can you not accept that either a 16yr old boy's penmenship sucked or low
> level government clerk mistyped ***1*** number of a Zip Code on an
> application?
I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
> BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
>> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
>> and this circle of confusion is all a big
>> Government screw up?
>
>> What are the odds that all these
>> "mistakes" that point to Obama being
>> something other than who he says, are
>> just mistakes?
>
> BeamMeUpScotty as far as Obama's ideology you are preaching to the
> choir.
>
> I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
> I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
> Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
> I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
> 1st Tea Party rally on April 15, 2009 because I believed we were screwed
> (saddly it's one of the few things in life I've been 100% right on).
>
> But we have enough facts to support our position without resorting to
> lunatic theories that any rational person can disprove.
>
> Can you not accept that either a 16yr old boy's penmenship sucked or low
> level government clerk mistyped ***1*** number of a Zip Code on an
> application?
never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
for 200 years and Americans like me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrefKCaV8m4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riVzMzX4hiE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoBIqwuw6Q
Obama intends to punish me and I have never done anything un-American.
Why would MY President want to punish me if I have broken no laws?
Does he hate Americans or opinionated people or the freedom to think
what I want? What ever excuse I hear, the truth is "my President wants
to punish me" for being an American with an opinion and a vote.
How un-American is Obama?
Where he was born is the least of the problem.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 17, 2013, 8:53:47 PM4/17/13
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On 4/17/2013 6:19 PM, Bill wrote:
I mean that Obama wants to change America because he hates it. You
don't change what doesn't need change unless you just hate it.
But you deleted that point when I made it in the last post so that you
could misrepresent what I had said in this carefully edited post and you
could call me un-American but we've all seen that Liberal trick and we
know your tactics.
All you did was make yourself look dishonest.
All Obama needs to do is believe in America, that's what I said.
And he obviously doesn't because he is going yo force a "FUNDAMENTAL"
change in America. Meaning he thinks America is rotten to the core.
Now delete 99% of what I wrote and try to post some new lies.
don't change what doesn't need change unless you just hate it.
But you deleted that point when I made it in the last post so that you
could misrepresent what I had said in this carefully edited post and you
could call me un-American but we've all seen that Liberal trick and we
know your tactics.
All you did was make yourself look dishonest.
All Obama needs to do is believe in America, that's what I said.
And he obviously doesn't because he is going yo force a "FUNDAMENTAL"
change in America. Meaning he thinks America is rotten to the core.
Now delete 99% of what I wrote and try to post some new lies.
BIG BIRD
Apr 17, 2013, 11:14:05 PM4/17/13
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in message
news:PrHbt.59120$WR.3...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
: On 4/17/2013 6:47 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
: > BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
: >
: >> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
: >> and this circle of confusion is all a big
: >> Government screw up?
: >
: >> What are the odds that all these
: >> "mistakes" that point to Obama being
: >> something other than who he says, are
: >> just mistakes?
: >
: > BeamMeUpScotty as far as Obama's ideology you are preaching to the
: > choir.
: >
: > I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
: > I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
: > Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
: > I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
I think you were looking for some slimy,filthy,stinkin, angry,old, rich white
: > BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
: >
: >> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut
: >> and this circle of confusion is all a big
: >> Government screw up?
: >
: >> What are the odds that all these
: >> "mistakes" that point to Obama being
: >> something other than who he says, are
: >> just mistakes?
: >
: > BeamMeUpScotty as far as Obama's ideology you are preaching to the
: > choir.
: >
: > I knew we were screwed the day he won the election.
: > I never belonged to any political organizations but have always been a
: > Conservative since I was a teenager in the late 60's.
: > I delivered a speech in front of 2000 people at my state house at the
dick to suck white boy
so, like did yall get some ???
LMAO
OK, did you suck off all 2000??
Bill
Apr 18, 2013, 4:53:40 AM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:36:41 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2013 6:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Even if Obama was born here, he is lacking what it takes to be a real
>>> American. He has no love of country.... He loves Socialism and that's it.
>>
>> You mean Americans can only believe what you say they can believe...
>>
>> How unamerican of you...
>>
>
>I mean that Obama wants to change America because he hates it.
Of course he wants to change America, he's a politician, that's what
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/17/2013 6:19 PM, Bill wrote:
>>> Even if Obama was born here, he is lacking what it takes to be a real
>>> American. He has no love of country.... He loves Socialism and that's it.
>>
>> You mean Americans can only believe what you say they can believe...
>>
>> How unamerican of you...
>>
>
>I mean that Obama wants to change America because he hates it.
they do.
As for his hating America, have you considered Valium?
You
>don't change what doesn't need change unless you just hate it.
they do...
>All Obama needs to do is believe in America, that's what I said.
>
>And he obviously doesn't because he is going yo force a "FUNDAMENTAL"
>change in America. Meaning he thinks America is rotten to the core.
Bill
Apr 18, 2013, 4:56:25 AM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:19:07 -0400, paradi...@webtv.net (Poetic
Justice) wrote:
>Which is also odd because they claimed they got and photographed the
>original certificate from a Kenyan gov't records office but being a poor
>country perhaps they can't afford file folders and just fold-up all
>their official documents?
As a general rule the British took their records home with them.
Justice) wrote:
>Which is also odd because they claimed they got and photographed the
>original certificate from a Kenyan gov't records office but being a poor
>country perhaps they can't afford file folders and just fold-up all
>their official documents?
My wife, who is Indian, has to go to the 'Indian Office Collection'
of the British Library to look up her family's birth records.
Bill
Apr 18, 2013, 4:58:04 AM4/18/13
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:50 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>for 200 years and Americans like me.
You're saying that the USA has been basically the same society for the
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>for 200 years and Americans like me.
past 200 years?
Poetic Justice
Apr 18, 2013, 12:29:00 PM4/18/13
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>Can you not accept that either a 16yr old
>boy's penmenship sucked or low level
>government clerk mistyped ***1*** number
>of a Zip Code on an application?
BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>boy's penmenship sucked or low level
>government clerk mistyped ***1*** number
>of a Zip Code on an application?
>I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke
>and mirrors and will likely never be
>settled.
>I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of
>it when I don't.
called "mistakes".
>So the Social Security mismatch and the
>Birth certificate mismatch make the
>documents less than absolute evidence of
>Obama's origin.
using a Conn. Zip Code all the while his Hawaii mailing address is
listed as his residence.
Yet you can't provide *any* theory as to WHY?
Now for the $64,000 Question?
Exactly *HOW* does that help your conspiracy theory of Obama's origin in
*anyway*?
Say Obama lived my life but 7yrs earlier.
In Boot Camp I was very sick and spent 3 days in bed, I was given pills
and cough syrup.
A day or 2 after this my company of 60-70 men pee'ed in bottles.
Weeks later after leaving Boot Camp I was pulled from training and made
to report to an Investigative Office.
I was then told "You are being charged for illegal drug use, what type
of opiates are using?"
I explained that I had taked cough syrup in Boot Camp and had told that
to the medic who took my urine sample.
"Well that *better* check-out!" and was told to leave and never heard
back from them.
Some months later I was given orders to a Communcations Base in Greece.
My orders had me arriving 2 days before my gov't issued plane tickets
actually got me there.
I was on leave and went to the Recruiter who enlisted me and he said
"Don't worry about it, it will be OK".
I arrived at my duty station and 1 of 1st questions asked was why I was
2 days AWOL. A criminal offense.
I needed a Top Secret security clearance (which is no big deal) and the
FBI interviewed my referrences, neighbors, etc as friends had told me
while I was home on leave.
~6 months later in Greece I was pulled from my security clearance
required job and reassigned to a non-clearance job for a couple of
weeks.
It seems that my base never received my clearance from the FBI but when
they finally got it I returned to my old job.
---------------------------------------------
Now decades later I'm running for President and bits and pieces of my
past military service come out.
"Mr Obama is it true that you were charged and investigated for taking
opiate-based drugs in the service."
"Yes but it was a clerical "mistake" and I was cleared."
"Mr Obama is it true that you were 2 days AWOL in the service which is a
criminal offense."
"Yes but it was a clerical "mistake" and I was cleared."
"Mr Obama is it true that after 6 months working at Top Secret security
clearance job you were reassigned to a non-security clearance job and
you were not allowed access to any areas where Top Secret intelligence
was availiable."
"Yes but it was a clerical "mistake" and I was cleared."
All truthful honest questions and answers.
But now the 'toothpaste is out of the tube' and even if this Obama
provides later evidence or reasonable explainations he will always be on
the conspiracy nut websites with cover-ups, documents were forged, etc.
And if they ever found out that I/Obama had a Greek girlfriend was an
active member of the 'Communist Youth of Greece' by interviewing my
friends from back then...Well now, he'd also be a Russian spy.
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 18, 2013, 12:40:21 PM4/18/13
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call some improvements but what Obama seems to think are just more of
America to hate.
Bill
Apr 19, 2013, 8:08:25 AM4/19/13
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:40:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/18/2013 4:58 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:50 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>>> never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>>> don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>>> actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>>> for 200 years and Americans like me.
>>
>> You're saying that the USA has been basically the same society for the
>> past 200 years?
>>
>It has had the same constitution for that 200+ years....]
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/18/2013 4:58 AM, Bill wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:50 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>>> never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>>> don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>>> actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>>> for 200 years and Americans like me.
>>
>> You're saying that the USA has been basically the same society for the
>> past 200 years?
>>
Well no, it gets amended now and again.
Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
sale of alcohol...
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 19, 2013, 11:13:49 AM4/19/13
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On 4/19/2013 8:08 AM, Bill wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:40:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/18/2013 4:58 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:50 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>>>> never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>>>> don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>>>> actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>>>> for 200 years and Americans like me.
>>>
>>> You're saying that the USA has been basically the same society for the
>>> past 200 years?
>>>
>> It has had the same constitution for that 200+ years....]
>
> Well no, it gets amended now and again.
I said that... and you deleted it so you could appear to be correcting
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 12:40:21 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/18/2013 4:58 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 20:50:50 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I say NOTHING is settled.... it's all smoke and mirrors and will likely
>>>> never be settled. I'm NOT going to admit to believing any of it when I
>>>> don't. I don't know who Obama is, all I know is that his story and
>>>> actions paint the picture of someone that hates America as it has been
>>>> for 200 years and Americans like me.
>>>
>>> You're saying that the USA has been basically the same society for the
>>> past 200 years?
>>>
>> It has had the same constitution for that 200+ years....]
>
> Well no, it gets amended now and again.
me, asshole. I said the constitution was "improved"
>
> Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
> sale of alcohol...
>
You either didn't read what I posted or you purposefully deleted it so
you could *attempt* to make me look as stupid as you.
That was the whole point, Obama wants to *FUNDAMENTALLY* change the
nation when it was always improving the whole 200+ years and wasn't
wrong on everything for 200+ years and we don't need fundamental change
unless you're one who hates America and Americans with a visceral hate
and hate all the improvements we have made in 200+ years.... like Obama
is.
I said that the FOUNDERS admitted in the Declaration of Independence
that they needed to form a more perfect union.....
But they didn't call it a perfect union. And they didn't place a way to
FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE the nation into the constitution. EACH amendment
changes a little bit of how we live, to FUNDAMENTALLY change the nation
you have to change the whole constitution.
Obama wants to transform/terraform this planet into Socialism, and that
means changing America and Americans into Socialist and he will do it by
HOOK OR BY CROOK.
Obama is lying scum Socialist.
Bill
Apr 19, 2013, 6:47:32 PM4/19/13
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:49 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/19/2013 8:08 AM, Bill wrote:
>> Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
>> sale of alcohol...
>>
>
>I noted this when I said the constitution was updated/improved.
>
>You either didn't read what I posted or you purposefully deleted it so
>you could *attempt* to make me look as stupid as you.
>
>
>That was the whole point, Obama wants to *FUNDAMENTALLY* change the
>nation
You mean the abolition of slavery wasn't a fundamental change?
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/19/2013 8:08 AM, Bill wrote:
>> Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
>> sale of alcohol...
>>
>
>I noted this when I said the constitution was updated/improved.
>
>You either didn't read what I posted or you purposefully deleted it so
>you could *attempt* to make me look as stupid as you.
>
>
>That was the whole point, Obama wants to *FUNDAMENTALLY* change the
>nation
Good grief man, they fought a rather nasty war over that one...
>Obama wants to transform/terraform this planet into Socialism
means of production, distribution and exchange?
I hadn't noticed him introducing legislation to do that so far.
Perhaps you know of some?
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 19, 2013, 7:04:00 PM4/19/13
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On 4/19/2013 6:47 PM, Bill wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:49 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 8:08 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>>> Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
>>> sale of alcohol...
>>>
>>
>> I noted this when I said the constitution was updated/improved.
>>
>> You either didn't read what I posted or you purposefully deleted it so
>> you could *attempt* to make me look as stupid as you.
>>
>>
>> That was the whole point, Obama wants to *FUNDAMENTALLY* change the
>> nation
>
> You mean the abolition of slavery wasn't a fundamental change?
Since we have ObamaCare and it's slavery, it all looks the same to me.
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:49 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 8:08 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>>> Little details like the abolition of slavery and banning of the retail
>>> sale of alcohol...
>>>
>>
>> I noted this when I said the constitution was updated/improved.
>>
>> You either didn't read what I posted or you purposefully deleted it so
>> you could *attempt* to make me look as stupid as you.
>>
>>
>> That was the whole point, Obama wants to *FUNDAMENTALLY* change the
>> nation
>
> You mean the abolition of slavery wasn't a fundamental change?
> Good grief man, they fought a rather nasty war over that one...
40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
Did we fight a war to free the MULES..... NO!
Do we still farm with mules...... NO!
>> Obama wants to transform/terraform this planet into Socialism
>
> You mean he wants the workers and peasants to have control of the
> means of production, distribution and exchange?
we have.
> I hadn't noticed him introducing legislation to do that so far.
>
> Perhaps you know of some?
>
Act-II. The Socialist replacement for the Bush Patriot Act that expired
with the Sunset provision that was in it? The Socialist version has
*NO* Sunset provision it's permanent.
but thanks for asking.
Clave
Apr 19, 2013, 7:13:06 PM4/19/13
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
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<...>
> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to almost
4,000,000.
No mechanical revolution was going to replace slaves. This is you being an
apologist for racism.
Jim
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 19, 2013, 7:23:42 PM4/19/13
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On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> <...>
>
>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>
> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about 750,000.
> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to almost
> 4,000,000.
>
Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvets
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>
> <...>
>
>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>
> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about 750,000.
> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to almost
> 4,000,000.
>
the wheat and it took any more mules, until the tractor was produced and
made them obsolete.
Today the farm workers are on unemployment and farmers can hardly find
any farm workers when it is picking season for hand piked items, that
means there are very few farm workers any longer.... it's all but
totally automated.
> No mechanical revolution was going to replace slaves. This is you being an
> apologist for racism.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
*Rumination*
#68 - The Leftists spend a lot of time perfuming that pig we call
Socialism, and the perfume never lasts till morning either.
Bill
Apr 19, 2013, 8:07:50 PM4/19/13
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On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 19:04:00 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>> Good grief man, they fought a rather nasty war over that one...
>
>And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
Bollocks.
Machine processing of cotton boomed before slaves were abolished.
The British Empire in India made a fortune from cotton because of the
US Civil War, and they didn't have any slaves...
>>> Obama wants to transform/terraform this planet into Socialism
>>
>> You mean he wants the workers and peasants to have control of the
>> means of production, distribution and exchange?
>
>Socialist claptrap and meaningless. He wants to steal what few rights
>we have.
Ah, you don't actually know what Socialism is do you...
It's just a generic insult to you.
>> I hadn't noticed him introducing legislation to do that so far.
>
>You missed ObamaCare?
I have no problem with some form of health service for the masses.
What's your problem with medical help for the poor and the old?
<ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>On 4/19/2013 6:47 PM, Bill wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:49 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>> You mean the abolition of slavery wasn't a fundamental change?
>
>Since we have ObamaCare and it's slavery, it all looks the same to me.
That's a fundamentally scary point of view.
>On 4/19/2013 6:47 PM, Bill wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 11:13:49 -0400, BeamMeUpScotty
>> <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
>>
>> You mean the abolition of slavery wasn't a fundamental change?
>
>Since we have ObamaCare and it's slavery, it all looks the same to me.
>> Good grief man, they fought a rather nasty war over that one...
>
>And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
Machine processing of cotton boomed before slaves were abolished.
The British Empire in India made a fortune from cotton because of the
US Civil War, and they didn't have any slaves...
>>> Obama wants to transform/terraform this planet into Socialism
>>
>> You mean he wants the workers and peasants to have control of the
>> means of production, distribution and exchange?
>
>Socialist claptrap and meaningless. He wants to steal what few rights
>we have.
It's just a generic insult to you.
>> I hadn't noticed him introducing legislation to do that so far.
>
>You missed ObamaCare?
What's your problem with medical help for the poor and the old?
Clave
Apr 19, 2013, 10:01:00 PM4/19/13
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:5mkct.238384$_q1....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
> On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>
>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>> 750,000.
>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>> almost
>> 4,000,000.
>>
>
> Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvets
> the wheat and it took any more mules, until the tractor was produced and
> made them obsolete...
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>
>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>> 750,000.
>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>> almost
>> 4,000,000.
>>
>
> Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvets
> the wheat and it took any more mules, until the tractor was produced and
Handwaving horseshit.
Jim
BeamMeUpScotty
Apr 20, 2013, 12:23:18 AM4/20/13
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On 4/19/2013 10:01 PM, Clave wrote:
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:5mkct.238384$_q1....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>>> 750,000.
>>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>>> almost
>>> 4,000,000.
>>>
>>
>> Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvest
> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
> message news:5mkct.238384$_q1....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>> On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution just
>>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>>> 750,000.
>>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>>> almost
>>> 4,000,000.
>>>
>>
>> the wheat and it took many more mules, until the tractor was produced and
>> made them obsolete...
>
> Handwaving horseshit.
>
> Jim
I liked your fairy tale!
>
> Handwaving horseshit.
>
> Jim
Why did you do it? I did it so I could laugh at you.
Your horse shit was so stupid I had to return the favor.
Clave
Apr 20, 2013, 3:09:11 AM4/20/13
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"BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
message news:_Koct.45094$XR.3...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
> On 4/19/2013 10:01 PM, Clave wrote:
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:5mkct.238384$_q1....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution
>>>>> just
>>>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>>>> 750,000.
>>>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>>>> almost
>>>> 4,000,000.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvest
>>> the wheat and it took many more mules, until the tractor was produced
>>> and
>>> made them obsolete...
>>
>> Handwaving horseshit.
>>
>> Jim
>
> I liked your fairy tale!
And maybe some day you'll become a real boy.
>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>> message news:5mkct.238384$_q1....@en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
>>> On 4/19/2013 7:13 PM, Clave wrote:
>>>> "BeamMeUpScotty" <ThenDestro...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:D3kct.73456$_R.2...@en-nntp-16.dc1.easynews.com...
>>>>
>>>> <...>
>>>>
>>>>> And it did more harm than good since we had a mechanical revolution
>>>>> just
>>>>> 40 years after that and we quit using MULES and would have also quit
>>>>> using SLAVES since it was no longer cost effective.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. Prior to the cotton gin, the slave population was about
>>>> 750,000.
>>>> After that miracle device came along, the slave population boomed to
>>>> almost
>>>> 4,000,000.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mule population boomed when they created the giant combines to harvest
>>> the wheat and it took many more mules, until the tractor was produced
>>> and
>>> made them obsolete...
>>
>> Handwaving horseshit.
>>
>> Jim
>
> I liked your fairy tale!
Jim
Transition Zone
Apr 20, 2013, 12:12:00 PM4/20/13
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On Apr 17, 3:49 pm, BeamMeUpScotty
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> >> Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
> >> or where ever Obama's SS is from....
>
> > It was from Connecticut.
>
> > If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
> > you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
>
> > That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
> > a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
>
> > Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
> > Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
> > And he mails it in.
>
> > If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
> > a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
> > only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
> > issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
>
> > The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
> > 1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
>
> > His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
> > application in Hawaii.
>
> > It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
> > issued,
> documents as confusing as his with NO real screening?
> love for America, and he proves that.... every time he says America is
> the greatest nation but he wants to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.
>
> If we are the "Greatest Nation" then why would we need to
> "fundamentally" change that? Unless Obama really doesn't like America.
>
> Obama has called me his "enemy" that again makes him appear to be
> outside of American culture since I am a born and raise AMERICAN 100%
> flag waving and proud of the last 200+ years of this Nation, It was
> never perfect as the fonder acknowledged and we have grown with that as
> our reason for changing but we were never and are not FUNDAMENTALLY
> wrong, evil or broken. So we need NOT undergo a FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE.
>
> Obama has views that are foreign to American life and values.
<ThenDestroyEveryth...@blackhole.nebulax.com> wrote:
> On 4/17/2013 3:05 PM, Poetic Justice wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
> >> You know Hawaii didn't have Social
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > BeamMeUpScotty wrote;
>
> >> Security numbers from Connecticut Or RI,
> >> or where ever Obama's SS is from....
>
> > It was from Connecticut.
>
> > If you applied for a SSN like Obama did in 1977 with a Hawaii *Zip Code*
> > you would get their 1st 3 digit SSN code for that state 123-xx-xxxx.
>
> > That's a fact and Obama's 3 digit code shows that his SSN was issued for
> > a Conn. mailing address also a fact.
>
> > Teenage Obama fills out the SSN application with Name, DOB, etc and his
> > Hawaii *mailing address* with its *Zip Code*.
> > And he mails it in.
>
> > If the clerk typing up his application accidently types-in or mis-reads
> > a 0 for a 9 for the 1st number of his Zip Code 01234 vs 91234 it *will
> > only be routed* as coming from a Conn. mailing address and he will
> > issued that state's 1st 3 digit code.
>
> > The computer only sees and only cares about that Zip Code and issues the
> > 1st 3 digit code for that applicant's SSN.
>
> > His SS cards will then be mailed to the *mailing address* on the
> > application in Hawaii.
>
> > It's extremely likely Obama never knew his 3 digit code was wrongly
> > issued,
>
> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut and this circle of confusion is all
> a big Government screw up?
>
> But Obama wants more government and to let in more people that have
> SO Kenya and Hawaii and Connecticut and this circle of confusion is all
> a big Government screw up?
>
> documents as confusing as his with NO real screening?
>
> What are the odds that all these "mistakes" that point to Obama being
> something other than who he says, are just mistakes?
>
> Still we have the question of who is Obama, he still doesn't profess any
> What are the odds that all these "mistakes" that point to Obama being
> something other than who he says, are just mistakes?
>
> love for America, and he proves that.... every time he says America is
> the greatest nation but he wants to FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE AMERICA.
>
> If we are the "Greatest Nation" then why would we need to
> "fundamentally" change that? Unless Obama really doesn't like America.
>
> Obama has called me his "enemy" that again makes him appear to be
> outside of American culture since I am a born and raise AMERICAN 100%
> flag waving and proud of the last 200+ years of this Nation, It was
> never perfect as the fonder acknowledged and we have grown with that as
> our reason for changing but we were never and are not FUNDAMENTALLY
> wrong, evil or broken. So we need NOT undergo a FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE.
>
> Obama has views that are foreign to American life and values.
>
> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
Its not the views of one man, its the views of a whole political party.
> So where he was born is a technical point but the real question is why
> Obama hates America and Americans so much that he feels he has to force
> them to be fundamentally changed? WHO IS OBAMA OR WHO IS BARRY
> SORRETARO, and it's where did they start out but where have they been?
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