Kerry's slime machine in action
Trevor
The sudden leak of several supposed memos (now established as forgeries) and
stories just as Kerry is slipping in the polls is not just a coincidence. It
has been known for some time that the large media and the Kerry campaign
have been working hand in hand, along with the $100 million being spent by
ultra-liberal 527 groups like moveon dot org. Now, CBS News is trying to
push
very questionable stories against Bush, while at the same time, blacklisting
the swiftvets.com Vietnam Veterans that call into question some of John
Kerry's wild claims about his service in Vietnam.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - The man named in a disputed memo as exerting pressure
to "sugarcoat" George W. Bush's military record left the Texas Air National
Guard a year and a half before the memo supposedly was written, his service
record shows.
An order obtained by The Dallas Morning News shows that Col. Walter "Buck"
Staudt was honorably discharged March 1, 1972. CBS News reported this week
that a memo in which Staudt was described as interfering with officers'
negative evaluations of the future president's service was dated Aug. 18,
1973.
Sept. 10, 2004 (AP) - Questions are being raised about the authenticity of
newly discovered documents relating to George W. Bush's service in the
National Guard during the Vietnam War.
Marjorie Connell - widow of the late Lt. Col. Jerry Killian, the reported
author of memos suggesting that Bush did not meet the standards for the
Texas Air National Guard - questioned whether the documents were real.
"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me," she told ABC News
Radio in an exclusive phone interview from her Texas home. She added that
she "just can't believe these are his words."
Sept. 11, 2004 (AP) -- Saturday, another retired Air National Guard officer
came forward to attack
CBSNEWS credibility. Retired Maj. Gen. Bobby W. Hodges, who was cited by a
senior CBS official on Thursday as the network's "trump card" in verifying
the documents, said in an interview that he was "misled" by CBS and believed
the documents to be forgeries.
Hodges said that he was read only excerpts of the documents and never saw
the documents. He stated CBS News took his comments out of context for
political purposes.
Thursday, Sept. 9, 2004 8:19 p.m. EDT
Ben Barnes' 'Daughter': My Dad Lied About Bush
Amy Barnes, daughter of former Texas Lieutenant
Gov. Ben Barnes, said Thursday that her father had fabricated claims
that he used his influence to get President Bush into the Texas Air
National Guard 36 years ago.
In a phone call to WBAP's Mark Davis radio show in Dallas, Texas, Ms.
Barnes told guest host Monica Crowley that her father was an
"opportunist" who had lied about Bush's Guard record during a "60
Minutes II" broadcast Tuesday night.
BARNES: I love my father very much but he's doing this for purely
political reasons. He is a big Kerry fundraiser and he is writing a book
also. And [the Bush story] is what he's leading the book off with . . .
He denied this to me in 2000 that he did get Bush out [of Vietnam
service]. Now he's saying he did.
pass it on!
Trevor
"seared" into his memory and that President Nixon sent him there.
Was Kerry ever in Cambodia?
When did Nixon become CinC?
"Trevor" <tljo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit
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> Dirty tricks and sleaze by the DNC backfire
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> pass it on!
The service question
A review of President Bush's Guard years raises issues about the time he
served
By Kit R. Roane
(Sept. 9. 2004)
-snip-
A review of the regulations governing Bush's Guard service during the
Vietnam War shows that the White House used an inappropriate--and less
stringent--Air Force standard in determining that he had fulfilled his duty.
Because Bush signed a six-year "military service obligation," he was
required to attend at least 44 inactive-duty training drills each fiscal
year beginning July 1. But Bush's own records show that he fell short of
that requirement, attending only 36 drills in the 1972-73 period, and only
12 in the 1973-74 period. The White House has said that Bush's service
should be calculated using 12-month periods beginning on his induction date
in May 1968. Using this time frame, however, Bush still fails the Air Force
obligation standard.
Moreover, White House officials say, Bush should be judged on whether he
attended enough drills to count toward retirement. They say he accumulated
sufficient points under this grading system. Yet, even using their method,
which some military experts say is incorrect, U.S. News 's analysis shows
that Bush once again fell short. His military records reveal that he failed
to attend enough active-duty training and weekend drills to gain the 50
points necessary to count his final year toward retirement.
The U.S. News analysis also showed that during the final two years of his
obligation, Bush did not comply with Air Force regulations that impose a
time limit on making up missed drills. What's more, he apparently never made
up five months of drills he missed in 1972, contrary to assertions by the
administration. White House officials did not respond to the analysis last
week but emphasized that Bush had "served honorably."
Some experts say they remain mystified as to how Bush obtained an honorable
discharge. Lawrence Korb, a former top Defense Department official in the
Reagan administration, says the military records clearly show that Bush "had
not fulfilled his obligation" and "should have been called to active duty."
Bush signed his commitment to the Texas Air National Guard on May 27, 1968,
shortly after becoming eligible for the draft. In his "statement of
understanding," he acknowledged that "satisfactory participation" included
attending "48 scheduled inactive-duty training periods" each year. He also
acknowledged that he could be ordered to active duty if he failed to meet
these requirements.
-cont.-
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040920/usnews/20guard.htm
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The Globe investigation showed that "Bush's attendance at required training
drills was so irregular that his superiors could have disciplined him or
ordered him to active duty in 1972, 1973, or 1974. But they did neither."
Bartlett, in a statement to the Globe, insisted that Mr. Bush would not have
been honorably discharged if he had not "met all his requirements."
But some military experts disagreed with Bartlett's conclusion. Retired Army
Colonel Gerald A. Lechliter, who has studied Mr. Bush's records, told the
Globe, "He broke his contract with the United States government – without
any adverse consequences. And the Texas Air National Guard was complicit in
allowing this to happen."
Lawrence J. Korb, an assistant secretary of defense under President Reagan,
also studied the Bush records, and concluded that Mr. Bush ''gamed the
system."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/politics/printable642070.shtml
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Report: Bush Short On Guard Duty
WASHINGTON, Sept. 8, 2004
"He broke his contract with the United States government – without any
adverse consequences. And the Texas Air National Guard was complicit in
allowing this to happen."
Retired Army Col. Gerald A. Lechliter
(CBS/AP) A Boston Globe examination of previously released records shows
that President Bush "fell well short of meeting his military obligation" in
the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/politics/main642070.shtml
Roger
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This is from Newsmax.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/9/202100.shtml
From http://www.newsmax.com/pundits/bios/Limbacher-bio.shtml
And no one knows more than Limbacher about Bill and Hillary Clinton's dark
past -- and future plans to undermine the Bush administration and reclaim
the White House.
Eris
>This is from Newsmax.
>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/9/202100.shtml
>
>
>From http://www.newsmax.com/pundits/bios/Limbacher-bio.shtml
>
>And no one knows more than Limbacher about Bill and Hillary Clinton's dark
>past -- and future plans to undermine the Bush administration and reclaim
>the White House.
The old good versus evil trick. Bush good, anyone opposed to him bad.
Very simple, very simplistic, very inane.
How is the war in Iraq going? Gunship rockets group burning Bradley,
thirteen civilians killed. Excellent PR for America.
Docky Wocky
"How is the war in Iraq going? Gunship rockets group burning Bradley,
thirteen civilians killed. Excellent PR for America..."
______________________________
Yeah! PR should be paramount.
They should have left the damaged Bradley so the Baghdad sanitation
department dudes could tow it away, fix it up a bit, and donate it to their
favorite insurectionists who could have used it to truck a couple of tons of
explosives up to some GI installation.
You mean they only got 13 of them "civilians?"
Eris
wrote:
I am all for turning Saudi Arabia into a parking lot after vaporizing
Mecca. So yes they only killed 13, no number for wounded. This does
nothing to capture the Hearts and minds of the populace and is a
fantastic terrorist recruiting resource.
Roger
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Terrorism is up.
Fatalities are up.
Bush just doing his job.
Harry King
you'll criticize the war.
Roger
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> War's going great. You don't like Bush or the war or anything so
naturally
> you'll criticize the war.
Sarcasm. Right?
Eris
wrote:
>Will someone please explain to these hateful right wingers what
>happens if we "vaporize" a country?
>
> Jingo
Jingo.
I am a hateful leftwinger! It is only a fantasy.
Rex the Reaper
> you'll criticize the war.
>
War's going great? Over 1000 soldiers and thousands of Iraqi dead,
battles breaking out between the troops and the people we were
supposedly freed from Saddam's tyranny, and the troops being stuck
there for God knows how long with at two or more dying almost
everyday. The war is going great?
Geez. Idiots like you shouldn't even be allowed to vote.
Wolf2ii
So, you think it was better before
In Baghdad only
Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad
residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed,
according to a survey obtained Monday by The Associated Press.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/09/content_288443.htm
TDG
I'm really, really convinced that you liberals are sincere in your
concern for the American military and the Iraqi civilians that lose
their lives in Iraq. You probably piss your pants with excitement
every time you here about a soldier dying over there so that you can
use it as propaganda. As for the civilians, you don't seem to be
concerned about the ones that were killed prior to the war by their
own government. The problem with liberals is they hate freedom,
whether it is freedom for Americans or freedom for Iraqis.
TDG
Eric Chomko
: natjac...@yahoo.com (Rex the Reaper) wrote in message news:<f3b9ba77.04091...@posting.google.com>...
Naw, we cherish freedom from right-wing ignorance. Now go wrap yourself up
in the flag and pray that God makes you a patriot.
Eric
: TDG
Rex the Reaper
> I'm really, really convinced that you liberals are sincere in your
> concern for the American military and the Iraqi civilians that lose
> their lives in Iraq. You probably piss your pants with excitement
> every time you here about a soldier dying over there so that you can
> use it as propaganda. As for the civilians, you don't seem to be
> concerned about the ones that were killed prior to the war by their
> own government. The problem with liberals is they hate freedom,
> whether it is freedom for Americans or freedom for Iraqis.
>
This is no different than the other bullshit I've been hearing for the
past year. It is the Retardlicans who don't give a shit about the
troops. They support them being there, getting killed, just so
President Dumbass can further his career. As for the Iraqis,
Retardlicans didn't seem to give a damn about them prior to 9/11. They
didn't care when Saddam was gassing his people back when Ronnie Raygun
was presidunce. And they sure as hell don't care now.
TDG
> : concern for the American military and the Iraqi civilians that lose
> : every time you here about a soldier dying over there so that you can
> : use it as propaganda. As for the civilians, you don't seem to be
> : concerned about the ones that were killed prior to the war by their
> : whether it is freedom for Americans or freedom for Iraqis.
>
> Naw, we cherish freedom from right-wing ignorance. Now go wrap yourself up
> in the flag and pray that God makes you a patriot.
>
> Eric
>
> : TDG
You'll be pleased to know that God has already made me a patriot. And
you have made yourself a traitor by following the traitor Hanoi John.
He lied about his service in Vietnam. He lied about his fellow
soldiers whom he said committed atrocities on a daily bases. He gave
aid and comfort to the enemy and jeopardized the lives of POW's [who
continue to him] by lying before congress concerning his fellow
servicemen. He defiled the medals (the symbols patriotism) that he
didn't earn. He participated in anti-American protest groups, one of
which was plotting the assassination of US Senators. He's continued
his amazing record of anti-Americanism in the Senate, always voting on
defense issues in the way that the contemporary enemies of this
country would have him vote. His particular favorites were communist
governments anywhere on the globe. He always supported their agenda as
apposed to the interests of the US. He apposed the citizens of any
communist country who tried to break free of their communist shackles.
He has never supported the troops in the military right up to the
recent vote for the Iraqi war and then his vote against funding for
the troops. Nothing anyone can prove about the character, honor or
patriotism of this guy can even faze people like you. You have no idea
what he'll do as President because he's taken both sides of every
issue that has come up during the campaign. But one thing I can
guarantee you is that whatever he does it will be for the benefit of
our enemies over our own interests.
As for right wing ignorance, it's not any ignorance that arouses you
to spew your venomous hatred but it's what we know that enrages you.
If only yours were ignorance rather than arrogant culpability. You
back a traitor knowingly.
TDG
El Kabong
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What never fails to amaze me is how warlike these conservatives are, in view
of how few of them have ever heard a shot fired in anger. I was a corpsman
with the Marines from 69-70. I hated every minute of it. When I got home I
protested the war just like everybody else did..y'know why? Thats where all
the pussy was. We anted to get high and get laid. I was at Mayday in DC in
70. I was in the riot, and I dont really remember Kerry there. But I didnt
give a shit what he did with his medals. He was a fucking officer. But I
despise that pussy ass Bush. Nat Guard weenie. Rich kid faggot.And I hate
all of you right wing faggots who are so brave with other peoples lives. If
you wanna fight, crawl up my ass and fight for air.
Eric Chomko
: > : I'm really, really convinced that you liberals are sincere in your
: > : concern for the American military and the Iraqi civilians that lose
: > : their lives in Iraq. You probably your pants with excitement
: > : every time you here about a soldier dying over there so that you can
: > : use it as propaganda. As for the civilians, you don't seem to be
: > : concerned about the ones that were killed prior to the war by their
: > : own government. The problem with liberals is they freedom,
: > : whether it is freedom for Americans or freedom for Iraqis.
: >
: > Naw, we cherish freedom from right-wing ignorance. Now go wrap yourself up
: > in the flag and pray that God makes you a patriot.
: >
: > Eric
: >
: > : TDG
: You'll be pleased to know that God has already made me a patriot. And
: you have made yourself a traitor by following the traitor Hanoi John.
"God is on our side!" Yep, THAT is what you believe. I like what Kerry
said quoting Lincoln during the DNC, "we pray that we are on the side of
God". The disctinction is subtle but speaks volumes when it comes
centricity.
: He lied about his service in Vietnam. He lied about his fellow
: soldiers whom he said committed atrocities on a daily bases. He gave
: aid and comfort to the enemy and jeopardized the lives of POW's [who
: continue to him] by lying before congress concerning his fellow
: servicemen. He defiled the medals (the symbols patriotism) that he
: didn't earn. He participated in anti-American protest groups, one of
: which was plotting the assassination of US Senators. He's continued
: his amazing record of anti-Americanism in the Senate, always voting on
: defense issues in the way that the contemporary enemies of this
: country would have him vote. His particular favorites were communist
: governments anywhere on the globe. He always supported their agenda as
: apposed to the interests of the US.
Don't confuse being against right wing zealotry as being pro coomunist, it
only makes you look stupid.
: He apposed the citizens of any
: communist country who tried to break free of their communist shackles.
You'll have to provide a citation for that one.
: He has never supported the troops in the military right up to the
: recent vote for the Iraqi war and then his vote against funding for
: the troops. Nothing anyone can prove about the character, honor or
: patriotism of this guy can even faze people like you.
"People like me"?? What that was born on a fort to a military family?! I
spent my first 18 years as an army brat. You?
: You have no idea
: what he'll do as President because he's taken both sides of every
: issue that has come up during the campaign. But one thing I can
: guarantee you is that whatever he does it will be for the benefit of
: our enemies over our own interests.
What has Bush done for us? Our allies hate him and as an extension now,
us! Do you like that?! Or do you say "screw our allies"??
: As for right wing ignorance, it's not any ignorance that arouses you
: to spew your venomous hatred but it's what we know that enrages you.
It is more at pity. You are not to be hated but to be taught. The problem
is that you and other right wingers think you know it all. You are defined
by those that you hate.
: If only yours were ignorance rather than arrogant culpability. You
: back a traitor knowingly.
You claim he is a traitor because you can't handle the truth. The truth is
hell, said Harry Truman, most people simply don't want to hear it. Take
your pick, you want the truth or do you want Bush?
Eric
: TDG