Trump won't believe President Obama got bin Laden until he releases Long Form Death Certificate
Iarnrod
Hey, didn't the 9/11 twoofer crowd tell us UBL was dead years ago and
his tapes were all faked?
BWAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!
Shall not be infringed
Heh! Good one.
Perhaps his dad will provide a DNA sample so we can verify Obama got
the right spoiled rich kid terrorist brat.
Tall King
wrote:
Trump made him thaw it out to avod answering about the fake BC.
John Smith
ALL RIGHT!
It is all over, will they start bringing troops home tomorrow? Can we
stop bombing people in Libya?
Did osama have a copy of obamas' birth certificate on him?
Are we going to repay the iraqis' for the oil we stole?
Gawd, in addition to the birth certificate, there is going to be even
more questions to stay focused on!
Regards,
JS
kop
***Hey Smythe, why don't you wipe your arse with Obummers BC and then
eat a mile of my Bat Guano!...See you at the 4th of July Klow-fest
over at rec.knives...Gonna be a Cracker!
Tall King
wrote:
Bush was right, Osama bin Laden is now insignificant. Watch Obama take
full credit for killing bin Laden and praise the goodness of Islam as
a whole.
Kommienezuspadt
"Tall King" wrote in message
news:7t9sr69ge8a4ep26e...@4ax.com...
====
He's dead -- Bush screwed the pooch --- but you are right -- dead does make
one less important.
Gunner Asch
One wonders..if perhaps some shadow organization has had bin Laden on
ice...and it was determined it was time to thaw him out.....
Probably not..but...it is interesting about the timing of this vrs the
fake birth cert..isnt it?
Gunner
--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
John Smith
>> ...
>> ***Hey Smythe, why don't you wipe your arse with Obummers BC and then
>> eat a mile of my Bat Guano!...See you at the 4th of July Klow-fest
>> over at rec.knives...Gonna be a Cracker!
>
> Bush was right, Osama bin Laden is now insignificant. Watch Obama take
> full credit for killing bin Laden and praise the goodness of Islam as
> a whole.
Well, let's see, if they start bringing home troops tomorrow, if they
stop bombing Libya, etc. it was worth it ... if not, it'll simply be, no
big deal ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
> ...
> One wonders..if perhaps some shadow organization has had bin Laden on
> ice...and it was determined it was time to thaw him out.....
>
> Probably not..but...it is interesting about the timing of this vrs the
> fake birth cert..isnt it?
>
> Gunner
>
You mean it didn't work on you?
You still remember about the birth certificate?
... darn!
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
kop
***Hey Smythe, are you "On your Meds" OR "Off your Meds"...?
jf...@my-deja.com
> Bush was right, Osama bin Laden is now insignificant. Watch Obama take
> full credit for killing bin Laden and praise the goodness of Islam as
> a whole.
bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
Accomplished" banner?
Tall King
If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
out of Obama around every corner.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0cf4c42b-0227-4600...@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
You follow Michael Moore, don't you?
MMFlint Michael Moore
Will Obama need to present the OBL long form death certificate for Trump to
believe it? At least bin Laden wasn't killed in Hawaii.
What's cool about this, apart from the fact a mass murderer was brought to
justice, is it was Obama who made the order for the troops to kill Binladen.
He did what Bush couldn't do for 8 years. Probably because Bush said killing
Osama wasn't a priority. And what's even better was it was done by a black
guy, typical.
Gunner Asch
Obama made the order to kill Osama?.. Hell son..that order has been on
the books for nearly 10 yrs.
Took em long enough to do it.
fergo
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fksr6dmip8ne0uq6...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 15:40:50 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:0cf4c42b-0227-4600...@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>>> Kookers already going into denial mode.
>>>
>>> Hey, didn't the 9/11 twoofer crowd tell us UBL was dead years ago and
>>> his tapes were all faked?
>>>
>>> BWAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!
>>
>>You follow Michael Moore, don't you?
>>
>>MMFlint Michael Moore
>>Will Obama need to present the OBL long form death certificate for Trump
>>to
>>believe it? At least bin Laden wasn't killed in Hawaii.
>>
>>What's cool about this, apart from the fact a mass murderer was brought to
>>justice, is it was Obama who made the order for the troops to kill
>>Binladen.
>>He did what Bush couldn't do for 8 years. Probably because Bush said
>>killing
>>Osama wasn't a priority. And what's even better was it was done by a black
>>guy, typical.
>>
> Obama made the order to kill Osama?.. Hell son..that order has been on
> the books for nearly 10 yrs.
>
> Took em long enough to do it.
>
> Gunner
>
Let me rephrase that grandpa, Obama got the intelligence that Binladen was
in Pakistan and received intelligence on his exact location and gave the
order for his capture based on that intelligence. Thanks for pointing out
that post didn't make any sense though. I just need to work on rephrasing my
posts.
Of course any American president would have given the same order, they just
happened to get intelligence when Obama was president.
Gunner Asch
Wow! Are you saying that the Obamassiah is another micromanaging LBJ?
He has to give his personal approval before they can bomb an outhouse???
Kewl dude! That must sit pretty well with Petraeus. He has plenty of
time to play golf and take time out in the Jacuzze.
Oh..sorry..the Obamassiah is sending him to the CIA and putting Panetta
in charge of the Defense Department.
http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/02/more-of-the-same.html
Thats gonna be fucking marvelous..oh indeedy.
Joe from Kokomo
>> Bush deliberately ignored the PDB from August 2001 that warned about
>> bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
>>
>> Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
>>
>> Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
>> Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
>>
>> Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
>> Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
>> Accomplished" banner?
On 5/2/2011 12:11 AM, Tall King wrote:
> If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
> out of Obama around every corner.
Huh? "If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive..."
So are you saying Bush, who couldn't get bin Laden for *SEVEN* years and
has been out of office for 2 1/2 years gets credit for killing bin Laden
yesterday?
Are you sure you don't want to change your name from Tall King to Joe
King? (because you surely must be joking)
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Sure you are not giving the Obamassiah credit for that!
Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan
within 6 months of his election to president!
So again..he lied.
dxAce
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
> > On Sun, 1 May 2011 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> > <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >> Bush deliberately ignored the PDB from August 2001 that warned about
> >> bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
> >>
> >> Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
> >>
> >> Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
> >> Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
> >>
> >> Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
> >> Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
> >> Accomplished" banner?
>
> On 5/2/2011 12:11 AM, Tall King wrote:
>
> > If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
> > out of Obama around every corner.
>
> Huh? "If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive..."
>
> So are you saying Bush, who couldn't get bin Laden for *SEVEN* years and
> has been out of office for 2 1/2 years gets credit for killing bin Laden
> yesterday?
Well, Boy Barry can't be out there all the time stating that EVERYTHING is
Bush's fault and that he inherited all the problems and then suddenly claim
total credit for something that Bush set in motion many years ago.
Obama is a putz and probably needs help wiping his own ass.
Shall not be infringed
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3fksr6dmip8ne0uq6...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> > On Mon, 2 May 2011 15:40:50 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
Intel that goes all the way back to Gitmo.
golfbum18
> On Sun, 1 May 2011 20:38:21 -0700 (PDT), kop <kopscot...@yahoo.com>
Sore loser!
Krypsis
How about a change of name to Wan King. Sure fits! ;-)
Krypsis
jf...@my-deja.com
> Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan
> within 6 months of his election to president!
>
> So again..he lied.
>
> Gunner
also promised to return the focus and the fight to Afghanistan and to
get bin Laden. Looks like he made the right judgement and executed it
successfully.
RHF
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Sun, 1 May 2011 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> >> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Bush deliberately ignored the PDB from August 2001 that warned about
> >>> bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
>
> >>> Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
>
> >>> Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
> >>> Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
>
> >>> Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
> >>> Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
> >>> Accomplished" banner?
>
> >On 5/2/2011 12:11 AM, Tall King wrote:
>
> >> If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
> >> out of Obama around every corner.
>
> >Huh? "If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive..."
>
> >So are you saying Bush, who couldn't get bin Laden for *SEVEN* years and
> >has been out of office for 2 1/2 years gets credit for killing bin Laden
> >yesterday?
>
> >Are you sure you don't want to change your name from Tall King to Joe
> >King? (because you surely must be joking)
>
-
- Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and
Afghanistan
- within 6 months of his election to president!
-
- So again..he lied.
-
- Gunner
-
- --
- "If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is
eight,
- six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
The INTEL {Info} that Lead to Osama bin-Laden came from
Gitmo and the Detainee was Water-Broaded to get it.
Thank You Prez Obama for Keeping Gitmo Open
and Starting Military Tribunals for Detainees
Thank You Prez Obama for Torture Water-Broading Detainees
Thank You Prez Obama for Escalating the
'Right' War in Afghanistan {Oil Pipe-Line}
Thank You Prez Obama for Starting a New
War of Oil in Libya
Thank You Prez Obama for $6.66 Gasoline
Thank You Prez Obama for Un-Ending High Unemployment
Thank You Thank You Thank You Prez Obama ~ RHF
.
.
Jeff M
That's extremely doubtful. Although I'm sure the usual rightards are
conniving to deny the Obama administration any of the credit due to them
and steal it for themselves to justify their failed policies.
harry k
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 17:08:09 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >news:3fksr6dmip8ne0uq6...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 2 May 2011 15:40:50 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> Thats gonna be fucking marvelous..oh indeedy.
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
> it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
>
> - Show quoted text -
Since that was in the official breifing... Of course the President
would be in the loop for such an overwhelmingly important, and world
political move...basically it was an assination.
Same as Bush did for Sadam IIRC and the mission that got his sons.
Harry K
D. Peter Maus
Oh, thanks for THAT visual. Now I have to poke out my mind's eye.
Gunner Asch
Failed to keep his pledge". Then you are admitting the sob lied.
Closed Gitmo? Another lie
There have been...a few others....some 2065 or more.
Just a few off the top....
Lies During Second Year
No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions
as enacted into law
Obama Lies to Keep Czars
No “boots” on the ground Libya
Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need
spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is
Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in
Libya on the ground
Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down
our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of
complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill
All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about
lockerbie bomber
Obama Memo
I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
Obama’s Schedule
The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
Campaign and Presidency
If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
TownHall
“Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and
federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.
ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans
We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010
Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to
get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could
potentially happen.
Arizona Immigration Law
The Health Care Package will pay for itself
Time
Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s
ideas — not one.
Hmm Immigration?
We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
Democratic Debate Lies
I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel
Ready” bill.
I got the Message from Massachusetts
Daily Bail
Lies During First Year
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the
Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my
ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United
States.
Obama Inaugaration. 20 Jan 2009
Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
Obama Lies
As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
ABC
Recovery Act will save or create jobs
ABC News
Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
Obama Lies
No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
CNN
I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
Specator.Org
We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families
facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and
refinance their mortgages.
Obama Lies
I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
NPR
Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
Council on Foreign Relations.
Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
List of Tax Promise Violations
2008 Campaign Lies
Obama campaign would accept public funding
ABC
Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.
Would have the most transparent administration in History
Cato Institute
I have visited all 57 states.
Snopes
I’ll get rid of earmarks
Source: Any bill passed during presidency
When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to
review it before I sign it.
Campaign Speech
My father served in World War II.
The Videos and the Facts
Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
News Video
Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
YouTube
Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm
withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain
how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.
Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
NPR
I Won Michigan
Huffington Post
I won Nevada
The Nation
I don’t Have Lobbyists
US News
My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
Crooks and Liars
I Have Always Been Against Iraq
Washington Post
My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
CNN
Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any
other capacity.
Obama Campaign Video
I Barely Know Rezko
Sun Times
My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
ABC News
Ray Keller
"dxAce" wrote in message news:4DBE97CC...@milestones.com...
Joe from Kokomo wrote:
===============================================================
He has enough leftards to lick it for him
jf...@my-deja.com
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 07:06:21 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
>
> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >On May 2, 4:29 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan
> >> within 6 months of his election to president!
>
> >> So again..he lied.
>
> >> Gunner
> >Liar. He did fail to keep his pledge to get out of Iraq. However, he
> >also promised to return the focus and the fight to Afghanistan and to
> >get bin Laden. Looks like he made the right judgement and executed it
> >successfully.
>
> Failed to keep his pledge". Then you are admitting the sob lied.
> Closed Gitmo? Another lie
>
> There have been...a few others....some 2065 or more.
deliberatelty and dishonestly misrepresnted his position on
Afghanistan.
bkn...@conramp.net
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
You could've proved that you were FOS in a lot shorter post Gunner.
LOL
___,
\o
|
/ \
.
“Someone likes every shot”
bk
RHF
> "dxAce" wrote in messagenews:4DBE97CC...@milestones.com...
- He has enough leftards to lick it for him
The Cult of 'The-Obama' Butt Lickers
-smack- -praise-be-the-obama- -smack-
.
Gunner Asch
Actually..no..its not irrelevant, except perhaps to a Leftwinger.
But then..yall are mentally ill..so its not surprising
Shrug
Gunner
Gunner Asch
Indeed. Just follow your example?
Ill try indeed.
Gunner
Shall not be infringed
Jeff, that's what the MSM is saying.
Are you telling me that I can't believe the MSM?
jf...@my-deja.com
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
>
> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >> Failed to keep his pledge". Then you are admitting the sob lied.
> >> Closed Gitmo? Another lie
>
> >> There have been...a few others....some 2065 or more.
> >Thos are all irrelevant to the fact that you are a liar and
> >deliberatelty and dishonestly misrepresnted his position on
> >Afghanistan.
>
> Actually..no..its not irrelevant, except perhaps to a Leftwinger.
>
> But then..yall are mentally ill..so its not surprising
>
> Shrug
>
> Gunner
Leftwinger, the I plead guilty. Obviously, you like being a liear.
John Smith
>> ...
>> ___,
>> \o
>> |
>> / \
>> .
>> “Someone likes every shot”
>> bk
>
> Indeed. Just follow your example?
>
> Ill try indeed.
>
> Gunner
>
Guess there is no reason to stay in Afganistan ... boys will probably be
home tonight, right?
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
Shall not be infringed
> On Sun, 1 May 2011 20:38:21 -0700 (PDT), kop <kopscot...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On May 1, 8:33 pm, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com> wrote:
> >> On 5/1/2011 8:26 PM, Shall not be infringed wrote:
>
> >> > On May 1, 11:23 pm, Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> Hey, didn't the 9/11 twoofer crowd tell us UBL was dead years ago and
> >> >> his tapes were all faked?
>
> >> >> BWAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!
>
>
> >> > Perhaps his dad will provide a DNA sample so we can verify Obama got
> >> > the right spoiled rich kid terrorist brat.
>
> >> ALL RIGHT!
>
> >> It is all over, will they start bringing troops home tomorrow? Can we
> >> stop bombing people in Libya?
>
> >> Did osama have a copy of obamas' birth certificate on him?
>
> >> Are we going to repay the iraqis' for the oil we stole?
>
> >> Gawd, in addition to the birth certificate, there is going to be even
> >> more questions to stay focused on!
>
> >> Regards,
> >> JS
>
> >***Hey Smythe, why don't you wipe your arse with Obummers BC and then
> >eat a mile of my Bat Guano!...See you at the 4th of July Klow-fest
> >over at rec.knives...Gonna be a Cracker!
>
> Bush was right, Osama bin Laden is now insignificant. Watch Obama take
> full credit for killing bin Laden and praise the goodness of Islam as
Finally heard the Obama announcement today (stayed up and stayed up
and stayed up last night, but Obama has to realize that I have a job
to go to in the morning so I can give him my tax money).
Anyway, I heard: I, I, Me, My, I, I, I, My, I, Me, I, I, I, My...
Did I miss anything?
John Smith
> ...
> Finally heard the Obama announcement today (stayed up and stayed up
> and stayed up last night, but Obama has to realize that I have a job
> to go to in the morning so I can give him my tax money).
>
> Anyway, I heard: I, I, Me, My, I, I, I, My, I, Me, I, I, I, My...
>
> Did I miss anything?
>
Ahhh, he was all pissed off at the Donald catching him with phony birth
certificates ... naa, you didn't miss anything ...
Regards,
JS
Tall King
Slurp, slurp, slurp, toke, cough, toke slurp, slurp slurp, toke, ahhh!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-hPNrKdZI
Gunner Asch
<jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>On May 2, 3:24 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:48:22 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
>>
>> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> Failed to keep his pledge". Then you are admitting the sob lied.
>> >> Closed Gitmo? Another lie
>>
>> >> There have been...a few others....some 2065 or more.
>> >Thos are all irrelevant to the fact that you are a liar and
>> >deliberatelty and dishonestly misrepresnted his position on
>> >Afghanistan.
>>
>> Actually..no..its not irrelevant, except perhaps to a Leftwinger.
>>
>> But then..yall are mentally ill..so its not surprising
>>
>> Shrug
>>
>> Gunner
>If preferring the truth to intentional falsehoods brands me a
>Leftwinger, the I plead guilty. Obviously, you like being a liear.
And you cant spell worth a shit either.
But thats despite the point. And I stand by my statements.
Dont like it? Tough shit.
Deal with it.
Too_Many_Tools
Gummer...isn't it time for your shift at McDonalds?
And hey...this time when you clean the toilets do them after the
fryers...not before.
And don't forget your cute little pointed hat!!!
TMT
Iarnrod
> Did osama have a copy of obamas' birth certificate on him?
Nah, UBL had never visited Hawaii.
Iarnrod
> On Mon, 2 May 2011 15:40:50 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:0cf4c42b-0227-4600...@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Hey, didn't the 9/11 twoofer crowd tell us UBL was dead years ago and
> >> his tapes were all faked?
>
> >> BWAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!
>
>
> >MMFlint Michael Moore
> >Will Obama need to present the OBL long form death certificate for Trump to
> >believe it? At least bin Laden wasn't killed in Hawaii.
>
> >What's cool about this, apart from the fact a mass murderer was brought to
> >justice, is it was Obama who made the order for the troops to kill Binladen.
> >He did what Bush couldn't do for 8 years. Probably because Bush said killing
> >Osama wasn't a priority. And what's even better was it was done by a black
> >guy, typical.
>
> Obama made the order to kill Osama?.. Hell son..that order has been on
> the books for nearly 10 yrs.
>
> Took em long enough to do it.
Something AWOL could never do. The deserter got cold feet. Took a Dem
to get it done, as usual.
Iarnrod
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:3fksr6dmip8ne0uq6...@4ax.com...
>
>
> >>"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:0cf4c42b-0227-4600...@r35g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> >>> Kookers already going into denial mode.
>
> >>> Hey, didn't the 9/11 twoofer crowd tell us UBL was dead years ago and
> >>> his tapes were all faked?
>
> >>> BWAHAAHAAAAHAAAHAHAHAAAHAHAA!!!
>
> >>You follow Michael Moore, don't you?
>
> >>MMFlint Michael Moore
> >>Will Obama need to present the OBL long form death certificate for Trump
> >>to
> >>believe it? At least bin Laden wasn't killed in Hawaii.
>
> >>What's cool about this, apart from the fact a mass murderer was brought to
> >>justice, is it was Obama who made the order for the troops to kill
> >>Binladen.
> >>He did what Bush couldn't do for 8 years. Probably because Bush said
> >>killing
> >>Osama wasn't a priority. And what's even better was it was done by a black
> >>guy, typical.
>
> > Obama made the order to kill Osama?.. Hell son..that order has been on
> > the books for nearly 10 yrs.
>
> > Took em long enough to do it.
>
>
> Let me rephrase that grandpa, Obama got the intelligence that Binladen was
> in Pakistan and received intelligence on his exact location and gave the
> order for his capture based on that intelligence. Thanks for pointing out
> that post didn't make any sense though. I just need to work on rephrasing my
> posts.
>
> Of course any American president would have given the same order, they just
> happened to get intelligence when Obama was president.
Wrong. Bush failed to give that order. He held back and opted to let
the locals try to take UBL out at Tora Bora. AWOL was a miserable
failure. Dems as usual have to step in and git 'er done.
Iarnrod
> On Mon, 02 May 2011 07:24:00 -0400, Joe from Kokomo <j...@indy.net>
>
>
>
>
>
> >> On Sun, 1 May 2011 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> >> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Bush deliberately ignored the PDB from August 2001 that warned about
> >>> bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
>
> >>> Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
>
> >>> Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
> >>> Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
>
> >>> Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
> >>> Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
> >>> Accomplished" banner?
>
> >On 5/2/2011 12:11 AM, Tall King wrote:
>
> >> If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
> >> out of Obama around every corner.
>
> >Huh? "If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive..."
>
> >So are you saying Bush, who couldn't get bin Laden for *SEVEN* years and
> >yesterday?
>
> >Are you sure you don't want to change your name from Tall King to Joe
> >King? (because you surely must be joking)
>
>
> within 6 months of his election to president!
He said no such thing. you're just lying as usual.
> So again..he lied.
Nah, you did.
Iarnrod
che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It does not. You're lying.
Iarnrod
> On May 2, 4:29 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:> Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan
> > within 6 months of his election to president!
>
> > So again..he lied.
>
> > Gunner
>
> Liar. He did fail to keep his pledge to get out of Iraq.
Sorry but Obama did pull ALL combat units OUT of Iraq and is drawing
down the others. Promise KEPT.
> However, he
> also promised to return the focus and the fight to Afghanistan and to
> get bin Laden. Looks like he made the right judgement and executed it
> successfully.
True dat.
Iarnrod
False and false, It came from a routine interrogation in a European
prison facility.
> Thank You Prez Obama for Keeping Gitmo Open
> and Starting Military Tribunals for Detainees
It did not come from Gitmo.
> Thank You Prez Obama for Torture Water-Broading Detainees
That was AWOL, and not one single water boarding turned up any useful
information. FACT.
Too_Many_Tools
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yeah...that was the little voices in your head.
Do you expect the world to bend to your every whim?
Sounds like you are a typical conservative..take...take...take.
TMT
George Plimpton
It does. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed identified the courier some time in 2004.
> You're lying.
No, you are.
George Plimpton
False. It came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 2004, in Guantanamo.
fergo
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I suspected as much but any evidence?
fergo
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 2 May 2011 17:08:09 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:3fksr6dmip8ne0uq6...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 2 May 2011 15:40:50 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Wow! Are you saying that the Obamassiah is another micromanaging LBJ?
> He has to give his personal approval before they can bomb an outhouse???
>
He is the commander in chief.
> Kewl dude! That must sit pretty well with Petraeus. He has plenty of
> time to play golf and take time out in the Jacuzze.
>
Like Bush? How many times did Bush play golf before 911? My point is all
presidents are puppets, JFK was the last true president.
> Oh..sorry..the Obamassiah is sending him to the CIA and putting Panetta
> in charge of the Defense Department.
> http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/02/more-of-the-same.html
>
> Thats gonna be fucking marvelous..oh indeedy.
>
Petraeus is being positioned to run for president.
> Gunner
>
>
>
> --
> "If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
> it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
> six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
fergo
"George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote in message
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And Khalid Sheikh Mohammed admitted to being the Lindbergh baby and bombing
buildings that weren't built yet and killing JFK and whatever it took to end
the torture.
Gunner Asch
Yes and? I take it you dont comprehend "chain of command"..right?
>
>> Kewl dude! That must sit pretty well with Petraeus. He has plenty of
>> time to play golf and take time out in the Jacuzze.
>>
>Like Bush? How many times did Bush play golf before 911? My point is all
>presidents are puppets, JFK was the last true president.
>
>> Oh..sorry..the Obamassiah is sending him to the CIA and putting Panetta
>> in charge of the Defense Department.
>> http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/02/more-of-the-same.html
>>
>> Thats gonna be fucking marvelous..oh indeedy.
>>
>Petraeus is being positioned to run for president.
By putting him in the Puzzle Factory?
Thats the Kiss of Death
Gunner
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hmm you're right
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/12/01/how-and-why-donald-rumsfeld-let-osama-bin-laden-live-to-fight-another-day.aspx
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/world/asia/29torabora.html
http://www.hindustantimes.com/Trapped-in-Tora-Bora-in-2001-Osama-had-written-his-will/Article1-481577.aspx
But the fact remains Benazir Bhutto said Binladen was murdered in 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTV9gFjE3Ac and come on, do you really
believe it's the real Binladen? He was buried at sea before we could get
evidence it was the real Binladen.
fergo
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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By getting him out of the Military. I predict Petraeus and Trump's hair will
run. Maybe not in that order.
RHF
- - The INTEL {Info} that Lead to Osama bin-Laden came from
- - Gitmo and the Detainee was Water-Broaded to get it.
- False and false, It came from a routine interrogation
- in a European prison facility.
Larnrod : Naturally you 'approve' of that process.
-torture-by-proxy-rendition-torture-by-proxy-
So Then 'Rendition'* "BY" the US Federal Government
{The Obama-Regime} to Off-US-Soil {Foreign} Prisons
is A-OK : Where There Are No US Legal Rights Constrains
{Out Right Physical Torture Is Commonly Used}
Extraordinary Rendition -aka- "Torture by Proxy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition_by_the_United_States
.
- - Thank You Prez Obama for Keeping Gitmo Open
- - and Starting Military Tribunals for Detainees
- It did not come from Gitmo.
Oops at least one of the 'Sources' was "KSM"*
a GitMo Detainee -another-inconvenient-truth-
* Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
.
- - Thank You Prez Obama for Torture Water-Broading Detainees
- That was AWOL, and not one single water boarding
- turned up any useful information. FACT.
"KSM"* was Water-Boraded many many many times
and gave-up a whole lot of useful 'intel' some of which
lead to Osama bin-Laden. -another-inconvenient-truth-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed
Larnrod : Stop Being a Member of 'The Cult of The Obama'
...and... Come Into The Light of The Truth
and The Way - Amen ~ RHF
.
.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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There I go, making an opinion before I get the facts. It's coming out in the
news that America offered Binladen to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and no one
wanted him.
Did you know Clinton officials tried to warn Bush officials about Binladen?
If only Bush had listened.
Gunner Asch
If only that dumb bastard Clinton had taken him during any of the (5)
opportunities Clinton was given..and refused each time.
9-11 would never have happened, the Middle East wouldnt have boiled over
and Al quida would still be a small group of butt stupid sheep herders
Sorry about telling you the truth..but you must have been living in a
cave or jail or something during Clintons administration
Gunner
--
"If I say two plus two is four and a Democrat says two plus two is eight,
it's not a partial victory for me when we agree that two plus two is
six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
Tall King
How juvenile!
Government Shill #2
Yes. The whole world new that. Apart from you. Apparently.
>If only Bush had listened.
And done what...?
Shill #2
--
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
John Smith
> ...
> There I go, making an opinion before I get the facts. It's coming out in
> the news that America offered Binladen to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and
> no one wanted him.
>
> Did you know Clinton officials tried to warn Bush officials about
> Binladen? If only Bush had listened.
>
>
Unfortunently, the Osama bin Bogeyman died years ago ... however, being
short on excuses, diversion tactics and imagination, this is the best
the magic negro group could come up with ...
Regards,
JS
John Smith
>> ...
> If only that dumb bastard Clinton had taken him during any of the (5)
> opportunities Clinton was given..and refused each time.
>
> 9-11 would never have happened, the Middle East wouldnt have boiled over
> and Al quida would still be a small group of butt stupid sheep herders
>
> Sorry about telling you the truth..but you must have been living in a
> cave or jail or something during Clintons administration
>
> Gunner
>
I thought, eventually, some administration would determine that osama
was actually a vampire -- having lived longer than possible for the
human lifespan, around 2070.
ROFLOL
Regards,
JS
jf...@my-deja.com
> On May 2, 8:06 am, "jf...@my-deja.com" <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 2, 4:29 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Afterall he promised to pull all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan
> > > within 6 months of his election to president!
>
> > > So again..he lied.
>
> > > Gunner
>
> > Liar. He did fail to keep his pledge to get out of Iraq.
>
> Sorry but Obama did pull ALL combat units OUT of Iraq and is drawing
> down the others. Promise KEPT.
attribute it to domestic politcal opposition rather than to a lack of
will on his part. Similarly, the inability to remove the prisoners
from Guantanemo was not because he did not try, but because his
political gadflies deliberately put obstacles in his way without
providing any constructive alternatives. When he tries to keep his
promises, but cannot only because of political obstructionsism by the
Publicans, it is illogical to call those "lies".
John Smith
>> ...
> I am pretty sure that he missed the six month deadline, but I would
> attribute it to domestic politcal opposition rather than to a lack of
> will on his part. Similarly, the inability to remove the prisoners
> from Guantanemo was not because he did not try, but because his
> political gadflies deliberately put obstacles in his way without
> providing any constructive alternatives. When he tries to keep his
> promises, but cannot only because of political obstructionsism by the
> Publicans, it is illogical to call those "lies".
Unique!
First time I heard that, so you are saying, "The devil stopped him from
doing it!"
That is certainly a new spin on things!
ROLOL
Regards,
JS
Gunner Asch
wrote:
Particularlty when he sent in an ADDITIONAL 135,000 troops during the
surge.
Tends to make one believe that all of the Obamassiah supporters are no
different then Jim Jones supporters.
fergo
"Gunner Asch" <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Clinton wasn't the one who told NORAD to stand down, Clinton wasn't the one
who ignored advice from a former administration and Clinton wasn't the one
who threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investigate the
Binladens.
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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What Clinton, the last great president (not counting Obama) did. Binladen
did bomb the USS Cole and embassies. What, do you think if someone commits
an act of murder against a country the next administration should just
forget about him?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Clinton_administration
Clinton administration
Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States
government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[131] Shortly after the
September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a
directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special
Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United
States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in
Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force
was authorized.[132] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by
United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training
camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[133]
In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared
a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to
capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani
coup d'état;[133] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA
had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin
Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the
vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.[132]
In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the
Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert
Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama"
Government Shill #2
When did NORAD stand down?
>Clinton wasn't the one who ignored advice from a former administration
1. What was the advice?
2. How was it ignored?
3. What would following the advice have achieved?
Note that there are three (3) questions above.
>and Clinton wasn't the one
>who threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investigate the
>Binladens.
Who did that?
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I'll tell you when you reply to my reply about what Bush should have done :)
Government Shill #2
You mean Bush should have done *nothing effective*?
Why?
Wouldn't it have been better all around if either of them had done something
worthwhile?
>Binladen did bomb the USS Cole and embassies.
Uh... Yeah... Is that news to you?
>What, do you think if someone commits
>an act of murder against a country the next administration should just
>forget about him?
Please show evidence that any administration "forgot about him". Thanks.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin_Laden#Clinton_administration
>Clinton administration
>
>Capturing Osama bin Laden had been an objective of the United States
>government since the presidency of Bill Clinton.[131] Shortly after the
>September 11 attacks it was revealed that President Clinton had signed a
>directive authorizing the CIA (and specifically their elite Special
>Activities Division) to apprehend bin Laden and bring him to the United
>States to stand trial after the 1998 United States embassy bombings in
>Africa; if taking bin Laden alive was deemed impossible, then deadly force
>was authorized.[132] On August 20, 1998, 66 cruise missiles launched by
>United States Navy ships in the Arabian Sea struck bin Laden's training
>camps near Khost in Afghanistan, narrowly missing him by a few hours.[133]
>In 1999 the CIA, together with Pakistani military intelligence, had prepared
>a team of approximately 60 Pakistani commandos to infiltrate Afghanistan to
>capture or kill bin Laden, but the plan was aborted by the 1999 Pakistani
>coup d'état;[133] in 2000, foreign operatives working on behalf of the CIA
>had fired a rocket-propelled grenade at a convoy of vehicles in which bin
>Laden was traveling through the mountains of Afghanistan, hitting one of the
>vehicles but not the one in which bin Laden was riding.[132]
>
>In 2000, prior to the September 11 attacks, Paul Bremer characterized the
>Clinton administration as "correctly focused on bin Laden", while Robert
>Oakley criticized their "obsession with Osama"
And your reason for copying and pasting this pointless piece of history was...?
Shill #2
--
We are none of us infallible--not even the youngest of us.
W.H. Thompson
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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CLINTON: And I think it's very interesting that all the conservative
Republicans, who now say I didn't do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed
with bin Laden. All of President Bush's neo-cons thought I was too obsessed
with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I
left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn't do enough said I did
too much - same people.
Clinton's fox news interview
Clinton said he told Bush in that meeting that bin Laden would be his No. 1
national-security problem. Clarke, who recounts this episode in his book
Against All Enemies, writes that the incoming Administration found this
assessment "rather odd." Commissioners are planning to seek Bush's side of
the story. He too will have to explain why bin Laden is not yet dead.
Read more:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,612309,00.html#ixzz1LMo9Rzn6
Ok so we don't know what was done, but after receiving a memo "Binladen
determined to strike the US" you'd think Bush would have tried to do more,
if he had a policy.
To show what Bush should have continued after he took office.
Government Shill #2
Huh?
And what about all the other comments/questions in my post? Do you notice them?
Government Shill #2
<crickets>
>> Wouldn't it have been better all around if either of them had done
>> something
>> worthwhile?
<crickets>
>>>Binladen did bomb the USS Cole and embassies.
>>
>>
>> Uh... Yeah... Is that news to you?
<crickets>
>>
>>>What, do you think if someone commits
>>>an act of murder against a country the next administration should just
>>>forget about him?
>>
>>
>> Please show evidence that any administration "forgot about him". Thanks.
>>
>>
>
>CLINTON: And I think it's very interesting that all the conservative
>Republicans, who now say I didn't do enough, claimed that I was too obsessed
>with bin Laden. All of President Bush's neo-cons thought I was too obsessed
>with bin Laden. They had no meetings on bin Laden for nine months after I
>left office. All the right-wingers who now say I didn't do enough said I did
>too much - same people.
>
>Clinton's fox news interview
>
>Clinton said he told Bush in that meeting that bin Laden would be his No. 1
>national-security problem. Clarke, who recounts this episode in his book
>Against All Enemies, writes that the incoming Administration found this
>assessment "rather odd." Commissioners are planning to seek Bush's side of
>the story. He too will have to explain why bin Laden is not yet dead.
>
>Read more:
>http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,612309,00.html#ixzz1LMo9Rzn6
>
>Ok so we don't know what was done,
BINGO! We have a winner!
>but after receiving a memo "Binladen
>determined to strike the US" you'd think Bush would have tried to do more,
>if he had a policy.
Do more what?
What did he do?
What didn't he do?
How the fuck do you know?
Achieve nothing worthwhile?
Why would he want to continue to fail?
You're weird.
Oh... and in case you have reverted to the mode where you only see the last line
in my posts... CHECK THE WHOLE THING!
Shill #2
--
Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance
to those of us who do.
Isaac Asimov
fergo
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> On Wed, 4 May 2011 07:27:02 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Clinton wasn't the one who told NORAD to stand down,
>
>
> When did NORAD stand down?
>
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_9/11_Commission#FAA_and_NORAD
FAA and NORAD
For more than two years after the attacks, officials with North American
Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and the Federal Aviation Administration
(FAA) provided inaccurate information about the response to the hijackings
in testimony and media appearances. Authorities suggested that US air
defenses had reacted quickly, that jets had been scrambled in response to
the last two hijackings and that fighters were prepared to shoot down United
Airlines Flight 93 if it threatened Washington, D.C..
The Commission reported a year later that audiotapes from NORAD's Northeast
headquarters and other evidence showed clearly that the military never had
any of the hijacked airliners in its sights and at one point chased a
phantom aircraft-American Airlines Flight 11-long after it had crashed into
the World Trade Center.[10] For example, Maj. Gen. Larry Arnold and Col.
Alan Scott told the commission that NORAD had begun tracking United 93 at
9:16 a.m., but the commission determined that the airliner was not even
hijacked until 12 minutes later. According to later testimony, the military
was not aware of the flight until after it had crashed in Pennsylvania.
The Commission was forced to use subpoenas to obtain the cooperation of the
FAA and NORAD to release evidence such as audiotapes. The agencies'
reluctance to release the tapes-along with e-mails, erroneous public
statements and other evidence-led some of the panel's staff members and
commissioners to believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission
and the public about what happened on September 11. "I was shocked at how
different the truth was from the way it was described," said John Farmer, a
former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on
September 11, in an August 2006 interview
>
>>Clinton wasn't the one who ignored advice from a former administration
>
>
> 1. What was the advice?
That Binladen would be Bush's number 1 enemy
> 2. How was it ignored?
Well, Bush didn't do anything.
> 3. What would following the advice have achieved?
>
911 would not have been planned. Binladens network would have been
disrupted.
> Note that there are three (3) questions above.
>
>
>
>>and Clinton wasn't the one
>>who threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investigate the
>>Binladens.
>
> Who did that?
>
>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/07/afghanistan.september11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
Government Shill #2
I wonder why you posted that.
Nothing there about a stand down that I can see.
Care to point it out to me?
>>>Clinton wasn't the one who ignored advice from a former administration
>>
>>
>> 1. What was the advice?
>
>That Binladen would be Bush's number 1 enemy
Wow! I bet that was big news.
>> 2. How was it ignored?
>
>Well, Bush didn't do anything.
How do you know?
What could he have done?
Are you advocating US assassination missions against foreign nationals?
>> 3. What would following the advice have achieved?
>>
>911 would not have been planned. Binladens network would have been
>disrupted.
If Bush had followed the advice that Bin Laden was his number 1 enemy 911 would
have been averted?
Fertile imagination you have.
>> Note that there are three (3) questions above.
>>
>>
>>
>>>and Clinton wasn't the one
>>>who threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investigate the
>>>Binladens.
>>
>> Who did that?
>>
>>
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/07/afghanistan.september11
"But the FBI files were closed in 1996 apparently before any conclusions could
be reached on either the Bin Laden brothers or the organisation itself."
1996!!!!!!
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
Oh... you were talking about his family? His estranged family? The ones who
wanted nothing to do with him?
Why would anyone want to investigate them?
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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It could have been effective, we'll never know. The republicans stopped
Clinton in going after Binladen.
>
>>> Wouldn't it have been better all around if either of them had done
>>> something
>>> worthwhile?
>
>
> <crickets>
>
Like?
Well he didn't do what Clinton did.
Bush might have been more successful in capturing the man who attacked the
USS Cole.
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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There may not be evidence NORAD actually stood down, but it's constant lies
should make you wonder.
>
>
>>>>Clinton wasn't the one who ignored advice from a former administration
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. What was the advice?
>>
>>That Binladen would be Bush's number 1 enemy
>
>
> Wow! I bet that was big news.
>
>
>>> 2. How was it ignored?
>>
>>Well, Bush didn't do anything.
>
>
> How do you know?
>
I don't know, I wish I did.
> What could he have done?
>
> Are you advocating US assassination missions against foreign nationals?
>
>
I am when they murder US citizens.
>
>>> 3. What would following the advice have achieved?
>>>
>>911 would not have been planned. Binladens network would have been
>>disrupted.
>
>
>
> If Bush had followed the advice that Bin Laden was his number 1 enemy 911
> would
> have been averted?
>
> Fertile imagination you have.
>
It might not have been averted but at least Bush would have gone after the
man who murdered hundreds of Americans. Binladen made a declaration of war
when he made the call of Jihad. Our enemy is the Jihadists. Not the Muslim
who runs the 7/11 down the street.
>
>>> Note that there are three (3) questions above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>and Clinton wasn't the one
>>>>who threatened to arrest any FBI agent who tried to investigate the
>>>>Binladens.
>>>
>>> Who did that?
>>>
>>>
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/07/afghanistan.september11
>
>
> "But the FBI files were closed in 1996 apparently before any conclusions
> could
> be reached on either the Bin Laden brothers or the organisation itself."
>
"They said the restrictions became worse after the Bush administration took
over this year. The intelligence agencies had been told to "back off" from
investigations involving other members of the Bin Laden family, the Saudi
royals, and possible Saudi links to the acquisition of nuclear weapons by
Pakistan.
"There were particular investigations that were effectively killed."
Only after the September 11 attacks was the stance of political and
commercial closeness reversed towards the other members of the large Bin
Laden clan, who have classed Osama bin Laden as their "black sheep". "
>
> 1996!!!!!!
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm
>
>
> Oh... you were talking about his family? His estranged family? The ones
> who
> wanted nothing to do with him?
>
> Why would anyone want to investigate them?
>
Who cares? The fact that he took the FBI off their trail proves how corrupt
Bush was.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group
Carlyle has been profiled in two notable documentaries, Michael Moore's
Fahrenheit 911 and William Karel's The World According to Bush.
In the documentary film Fahrenheit 911, Michael Moore makes nine allegations
concerning the Carlyle Group, including: That the Bin Laden and Bush
families were both connected to the Group; that following the attacks on
September 11, the bin Laden family's investments in the Carlyle Group became
an embarrassment to the Carlyle Group and the family was forced to liquidate
their assets with the firm; that the Carlyle group was, in essence, the 11th
largest defense contractor in the United States.[30] Moore focused on
Carlyle's connections with George H. W. Bush and his Secretary of State
James A. Baker III, both of whom had at times served as advisors to the
firm.
A Carlyle spokesman noted in 2003 that its 7% interest in defense industries
was far less than several other Private equity firms.[31] Carlyle also has
provided detail on its links with the Bin Laden family, specifically the
relatively minor investments by an estranged half brother.[32]
In his documentary The World According to Bush (May 2004), William Karel
interviewed Frank Carlucci to discuss the presence of Shafiq bin Laden,
Osama bin Laden's estranged brother, at Carlyle's annual investor conference
while the September 11 attacks were occurring.[32][33]
Zeitgeist The Movie makes similar claims that The Carlyle Group may have
played a part in 9/11.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/31/september11.usa4
Bush gives speeches for the company and is paid with stakes in the firm's
investments, believed to be worth at least $80,000 per appearance.
Success brought more investors, including the international financier George
Soros and, in 1995, the wealthy Saudi Binladin family, who insist they long
ago severed all links with their notorious relative. The first president
Bush is understood to have visited the Binladins in Saudi Arabia twice on
the firm's behalf.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4014-2004Jul21.html
Among the other passengers was Shafig bin Laden, a half brother of Osama bin
Laden who was reportedly attending the annual investor conference of the
Carlyle Group, a politically connected investment company in Washington, on
Sept. 11, 2001. Also on board was Akberali Moawalla, an official with the
investment company run by Yeslam bin Laden, another of Osama bin Laden's
half brothers. Records show that a passenger, Kholoud Kurdi, lived in
Northern Virginia with a bin Laden relative.
So Bush took the FBI of the investigations because he was doing business
with the Binladens.
Iarnrod
> "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:ns12s6l5bnthe4kbn...@4ax.com...> >>"Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:a9v1s6hhmv2nn8p91...@4ax.com...
> >>> On Wed, 4 May 2011 07:27:02 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>>>Clinton wasn't the one who told NORAD to stand down,
>
> >>> When did NORAD stand down?
>
What lies? Can you name one?
Didn't think so.
Look, dearie, not only is there no evidence that NORAD stood down, but
there's absolute undeniable PROOF that it DID NOT!
To wit: FIGHTER JETS WERE SCRAMBLED AND SENT ALOFT TO LOOK FOR THE
OTHER PLANES. That's the OPPOSITE of "standing down," you nitwit.
Iarnrod
> On Tue, 03 May 2011 07:21:52 -0700, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On 5/3/2011 7:19 AM, jf...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > >> ...
> >> I am pretty sure that he missed the six month deadline, but I would
> >> attribute it to domestic politcal opposition rather than to a lack of
> >> will on his part. Similarly, the inability to remove the prisoners
> >> from Guantanemo was not because he did not try, but because his
> >> political gadflies deliberately put obstacles in his way without
> >> providing any constructive alternatives. When he tries to keep his
> >> promises, but cannot only because of political obstructionsism by the
> >> Publicans, it is illogical to call those "lies".
>
> >Unique!
>
> >First time I heard that, so you are saying, "The devil stopped him from
> >doing it!"
>
> >That is certainly a new spin on things!
>
> >ROLOL
>
> >Regards,
> >JS
>
> Particularlty when he sent in an ADDITIONAL 135,000 troops during the
> surge.
<snicker>
Tell us when Obama did that, fuckwit.
Hint: You're lying.
Iarnrod
> On 5/2/2011 9:26 PM, Iarnrod wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 2, 8:12 am, RHF<rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> On May 2, 4:29 am, Gunner Asch<gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:> >>>>> On Sun, 1 May 2011 21:07:27 -0700 (PDT), "jf...@my-deja.com"
> >>>>> <jf...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Bush deliberately ignored the PDB from August 2001 that warned about
> >>>>>> bin Laden's plans to attack the US.
>
> >>>>>> Bush held back at Tora Bora, letting bin Laden get away.
>
> >>>>>> Bush showed that he loved Saudi Arabians, as he kissed their Crown
> >>>>>> Prince and strolled with him while holding hands.
>
> >>>>>> Despite all this, is there any doubt that, if Bush had gotten bin
> >>>>>> Laden, we would have been treated to another gigantic "Mission
> >>>>>> Accomplished" banner?
>
> >>>> On 5/2/2011 12:11 AM, Tall King wrote:
>
> >>>>> If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive scaring the shit
> >>>>> out of Obama around every corner.
>
> >>>> Huh? "If it wasn't for Bush, bin Laden would still be alive..."
>
> >>>> So are you saying Bush, who couldn't get bin Laden for *SEVEN* years and
> >>>> has been out of office for 2 1/2 years gets credit for killing bin Laden
> >>>> yesterday?
>
> >>>> Are you sure you don't want to change your name from Tall King to Joe
> >>>> King? (because you surely must be joking)
>
> >> - Sure you are not giving the Obamassiah credit for that!
> >> -
> >> Afghanistan
> >> - within 6 months of his election to president!
> >> -
> >> - So again..he lied.
> >> -
> >> - Gunner
> >> -
> >> - --
> >> eight,
> >> - six. " Jonah Goldberg (modified)
>
>
> > prison facility.
>
> False. It came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in 2004, in Guantanamo.
False. It was not from Guantanamo. It occurred in a European prison.
Iarnrod
> On 5/2/2011 9:23 PM, Iarnrod wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 2, 5:39 am, Shall not be infringed<hot-ham-and-
> > che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On May 2, 3:08 am, "fergo"<fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> > It does not.
>
> It does.
Not.
> Khalid Sheikh Mohammed identified the courier some time in 2004.
It was in Europe.
> > You're lying.
>
> No, you are.
You are.
Iarnrod
> "Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > the locals try to take UBL out at Tora Bora. AWOL was a miserable
> > failure. Dems as usual have to step in and git 'er done.
>
>
> But the fact remains Benazir Bhutto said Binladen was murdered in 2007http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTV9gFjE3Ac
What the fuck would she know about it?
> and come on, do you really
> believe it's the real Binladen?
Of course.
> He was buried at sea before we could get
> evidence it was the real Binladen.
Wrong. He was buried at sea after he was positively identified.
Iarnrod
Making shit up again, Popgun?
None of that actually happened.
It is a well-known fact that rightards "think" they can make up their
own history.
Government Shill #2
Right.
So when you said "Clinton wasn't the one who told NORAD to stand down" you were
being a dick?
>but it's constant lies should make you wonder.
It does make me wonder. It makes me wonder why you think a government department
always has the same answers when asked the same questions.
Don't you work in government?
>>>>>Clinton wasn't the one who ignored advice from a former administration
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. What was the advice?
>>>
>>>That Binladen would be Bush's number 1 enemy
>>
>>
>> Wow! I bet that was big news.
>>
>>
>>>> 2. How was it ignored?
>>>
>>>Well, Bush didn't do anything.
>>
>>
>> How do you know?
>>
>I don't know, I wish I did.
You *don't* know.
Now we're getting somewhere.
>> What could he have done?
>>
>> Are you advocating US assassination missions against foreign nationals?
>>
>>
>I am when they murder US citizens.
Had the US assassinated Osama Bin Laden on April 15th 2001 you, and your uni
mates, would have been in the streets squawking about "Imperialist Yankees!" and
waving placards saying "Bush the murderer!"
>>>> 3. What would following the advice have achieved?
>>>>
>>>911 would not have been planned. Binladens network would have been
>>>disrupted.
>>
>>
>>
>> If Bush had followed the advice that Bin Laden was his number 1 enemy 911
>> would
>> have been averted?
>>
>> Fertile imagination you have.
>>
>It might not have been averted
See? We are making progress. You are catching on.
You can do it...
Your assertion proves nothing one way or the other.
"Freedom Man" <lib...@once.net>
Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:47:09 -0500
And doing business with the Saudi Binladen Group, a construction company, formed
in 1931 by Mohammad Binladin is bad because...
They have the same name as a bad man?
A bad man is related to the family that runs it?
Iarnrod
> "Gunner Asch" <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
NORAD did not "stand down."
If you "think" so, then please explain the fighter jets that were
scrambled from Otis and Andrews and which were enroute.that's a funny
way to "stand down."
Iarnrod
> "Government Shill #2" <gov.sh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:a9v1s6hhmv2nn8p91...@4ax.com...> On Wed, 4 May 2011 07:27:02 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> >>Clinton wasn't the one who told NORAD to stand down,
>
> > When did NORAD stand down?
>
Do you not realize you just totally contradicted your claim that NORAD
"stood down?"
Government Shill #2
I don't know. You're the one who *knows* that Bush should have solved the
problem. You tell me.
Based on what they knew *at the time*, not what you know now, what would have
satisfied you that they were *doing* something?
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different
results.
Albert Einstein
How?
What extra information did he have?
Did he find a magic wand?
Did they invent a supa-dupa-terrorist-find-O-matic RADAR since Clinton left?
George W. Bush is no genius. Agree?
He had only been in office for 8 months on 11/09/2001. He was still trying to
remember his new address at that stage, and you expect him to have single
handedly tracked down Osama Bin Laden?
RHF
> On May 3, 10:04 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 03 May 2011 07:21:52 -0700, John Smith <bit_buc...@gmx.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On 5/3/2011 7:19 AM, jf...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > > >> ...
> > >> I am pretty sure that he missed the six month deadline, but I would
> > >> attribute it to domestic politcal opposition rather than to a lack of
> > >> will on his part. Similarly, the inability to remove the prisoners
> > >> from Guantanemo was not because he did not try, but because his
> > >> political gadflies deliberately put obstacles in his way without
> > >> providing any constructive alternatives. When he tries to keep his
> > >> promises, but cannot only because of political obstructionsism by the
> > >> Publicans, it is illogical to call those "lies".
>
> > >Unique!
>
> > >First time I heard that, so you are saying, "The devil stopped him from
> > >doing it!"
>
> > >That is certainly a new spin on things!
>
> > >ROLOL
>
> > >Regards,
> > >JS
- - Particularlty when he sent in an ADDITIONAL
- - 135,000 troops during the surge.
- <snicker>
-
- Tell us when Obama did that, fuckwit.
-
- Hint: You're lying.
Larnrod,
From 2008 Election to Present as the US President
Obama DID IT ! -cause- Afghanistan is the 'Right' War
according to Candidate Obama. -source- CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/01/politics/main5846260.shtml
Just depends on how you Count the Numbers of Total
Troops Committed a/o Troops Rotated In-&-Out of
Afghanistan {+Pakistan} In-Country and Out in support
of the "Obama-Afghan-Surge" -aka- The 'Right' War.
-conclusion- Larnrod you must hold the Rank of "BEC"*
Group Praise Leader in 'The Cult of The Obama' !
* 'Both Eyes Closed' [BEC] and due for Promotion to
the Rank of "BOHICA" ;;-}}
.
.
Praises : Let Us All Say Our Daily "Thank Yous" To The-Obama :
Gather Around 'Cult of The-Obama' Members : With One Voice
Let All Us Say :
Thank You Prez Obama for Keeping Gitmo Open
and Starting Military Tribunals for Detainees
-obama-the-great-detainer-of-enemies-of-the-state-
Thank You Prez Obama for Torture Water-Broading Detainees
-obama-the-great-torturer-of-enemies-of-the-state-
Thank You Prez Obama for Escalating the 'Right'
War in Afghanistan {Oil Pipe-Line} -war-war-war-
Thank You Prez Obama for Starting a New War
for Oil in Libya -war-for-oil- -war-for-oil- -war-for-oil-
Thank You Prez Obama for $6.66 Gasoline
-obama-the-great-carbon-credit-energy-taxer-
Thank You Prez Obama for Un-Ending High Unemployment
-obama-the-great-job-killer- -obama-the-great-job-killer-
Thank You Prez Obama for Killing Osama bin-Laden
-obama-the-great-slayer-of-islam-o-fascists-
Thank You Prez Obama for Trying to Kill Gaddafi
-obama-the-great-slayer-of-muslim-dictators-
Thank You Prez Obama for Being a Better Eternal
Peace Maker {War Monger} Than Bush.
-obama-the-great-war-monger-
Thank You Thank You Thank You Prez Obama ~ RHF
-we-are-so-blessed-to-live-in-the-age-of-'the-obama'-
.
.
Ray Keller
"Government Shill #2" wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 May 2011 07:30:36 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
Why?
Shill #2
--
It nicely illustrates the incompetence of the clinton administration
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:b6432774-5fad-4eaa...@22g2000prx.googlegroups.com...
Well she was the Prime Minister of Pakistan.
People have been saying he is dead for years
http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/18/gen.musharraf.binladen/
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101020701-265412,00.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/07/17/attack/main515468.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_of_Osama_bin_Laden#2004
>> and come on, do you really
>> believe it's the real Binladen?
>
> Of course.
>
>> He was buried at sea before we could get
>> evidence it was the real Binladen.
>
> Wrong. He was buried at sea after he was positively identified.
>
And we're supposed to take their word for it? It was one source and also
during the first day they said Binladen died in a firefight
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/05/02/3205331.htm now they are
saying Binladen was unarmed
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-04/bin-laden-killed-after-wife-shot-while-rushing-commando-u-s-account-says.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/04/osama-bin-laden-killing-us-story-change
What are we supposed to believe? When you tell the truth you don't have to
keep a story straight. But when you lie your story keeps changing.
Maybe this is true, maybe I have been lied to by the government so many
times and the one time they tell the truth I don't believe them. But I just
don't buy it.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Where's the proof it did not?
> To wit: FIGHTER JETS WERE SCRAMBLED AND SENT ALOFT TO LOOK FOR THE
> OTHER PLANES. That's the OPPOSITE of "standing down," you nitwit.
:)
Sorry but the 911 commission testimony that I posted shows that isn't true.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yeah but it does show that NORAD did lie. I guess so many lies give rise to
conspiracy theories. But the truth could be much more rational.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well he still wasn't the one who told the FBI to back off the Binladens.
fergo
"Iarnrod" <iar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Yep Clinton tried to go after Binladen but the republicans mocked him.
fergo
"Ray Keller" <LEFTARD TROLLS ARE DESPERATE> wrote in message
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And Bush was a lot better right?, he let Binladen go in 2002.
fergo
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 May 2011 18:07:17 +1000, "fergo" <fe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Like?
>
>
> I don't know. You're the one who *knows* that Bush should have solved the
> problem. You tell me.
>
> Based on what they knew *at the time*, not what you know now, what would
> have
> satisfied you that they were *doing* something?
>
If they continued Clinton's policies of going after Binladen.
No but I expected him to try. What did he do?