Catholic Church Now Engaging In Blackmail!!!!!??
John Fisher
or JUST CONTINUING THE PRACTICE?????
If the Church loses its tax exempt status, perhaps other religions and
social groups will increase their charitable ventures. Perhaps Father
Divine could do an even better job. I notice, in Philadelphia, that
old places of worship are being converted into temples and mosques and
that Catholic schools and Churches are being closed. Hopefully, this
kind of blackmail will fail and people will be set free to be who they
are.
Is the church cutting its nose to spite its face????
Eddie Haskell
"John Fisher" <TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:66168bf6-e86f-4fc4...@j24g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Did you work at the soup kitchen today, Fisher? No? That's blackmail in your
dumbshit world then, moron.
-Eddie Haskell
edi...@netpath.net
Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com - your source for hard-to-find stuff!
John Fisher
> The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
> Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
> kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>
As a result of the Republican administrations, supported by Rome,
running this once greater nation into the ground, the Obama
administration, and government agencies, is now feeding more people
and sheltering more of the homeless than ever. Food Stamps!!!
Veterans Shelters, etc. Republicans enjoy enslavement and the poverty
of others as long as they can profit by it. It appears that the
church is feeding far less people than it has in the past. As they
blackmail politicians, and the American people, they cut down on their
social services. Their vested interested in the health care industry
continues to deprive the right of citizens to adequate, affordable,
health care. Check the prices their hospitals charge - IT AIN'T
CHICKEN FEED, and much of their medical income comes from government
programs!!! When they can't get the price, as with schools which
charge exorbitant tuitions, they just shut down and move on to richer
communities. (MNSVHO) Many other charitible causes serve it up as
long as "Cheezus" is proclaimed. That, too, (imnsvho) is just another
form of blackmail!!!
Eddie Haskell
Kook alert. Please remain indoors. If outside, seek shelter immediately.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4a6nxLx68
-Eddie Haskell
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> Catholic Church Now Engaging In Blackmail!!!!!??
>
> or JUST CONTINUING THE PRACTICE?????
>
>
> If the Church loses its tax exempt status, perhaps other religions and
> social groups will increase their charitable ventures. Perhaps Father
> Divine could do an even better job.
Father Divine???? He died ages back in the 60s
His "organization"/cult is just about dead if not completely dead
although, I believe,
his widow is still alive and their mansions in N. Phila(the Disston
mansion) and Woodmont
in Gladwyne, PA are still owned by them
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
> kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>
You're completely right. What people seem to forget is that the RC
church consists
of people who are of course, human. And as we all know humans are
prone
to make mistakes.... lots of them.
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> On Dec 9, 11:52 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
> > Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
> > kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>
>
> As a result of the Republican administrations, supported by Rome,
> running this once greater nation into the ground, the Obama
> administration, and government agencies, is now feeding more people
> and sheltering more of the homeless than ever. Food Stamps!!!
> Veterans Shelters, etc.
John, you really need to stop exaggerating Obama's "accomplishments".
He's NOT FDR.
And every day he's in proves it!
If you followed liberal blogs that closely you'd see how upset many
staunch liberals
are with him....nevermind Reps and conservatives! He's escalating the
Afghan war
which makes some conserves happy but is causing his base to say a big
fat,
"Wait a minute...! You're supposed to be stopping both these wars!
Bring our troops
home!" If they aren't going to re-charge the effort to find bin Laden
all it means
is more Americans killed for no reason.
I'm still waiting for him to make a move re: DADT. Nothing yet. Not a
goddam thing.
duke
>Catholic Church Now Engaging In Blackmail!!!!!??
>or JUST CONTINUING THE PRACTICE?????
>If the Church loses its tax exempt status, perhaps other religions and
>social groups will increase their charitable ventures.
Some tax advisor. If one and the absolute largest goes, all go.
> Perhaps Father
>Divine could do an even better job. I notice, in Philadelphia, that
>old places of worship are being converted into temples and mosques and
>that Catholic schools and Churches are being closed.
Demographics.
> Hopefully, this
>kind of blackmail will fail and people will be set free to be who they
>are.
>Is the church cutting its nose to spite its face????
Haahaahaahaa.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
duke
>The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
>Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
>kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
And notice the brother taking her picture in the "po soup line" with his
Blackberry.
duke
>On Dec 9, 11:52?am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>> The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
>> Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
>> kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>>
>> http://www.Internet-Gun-Show.com- your source for hard-to-find stuff!
>
>As a result of the Republican administrations, supported by Rome,
>running this once greater nation into the ground,
Wow, you must live on the moon.
> the Obama
>administration, and government agencies, is now feeding more people
>and sheltering more of the homeless than ever.
Why get a job when you can live a life without having to go to work?
Hiccum Blurpaedius
>
> or JUST CONTINUING THE PRACTICE?????
>
>
> If the Church loses its tax exempt status, perhaps other religions and
> social groups will increase their charitable ventures. Perhaps Father
> Divine could do an even better job. I notice, in Philadelphia, that
> old places of worship are being converted into temples and mosques and
> that Catholic schools and Churches are being closed. Hopefully, this
> kind of blackmail will fail and people will be set free to be who they
> are.
>
> Is the church cutting its nose to spite its face????
And they are using AA to do it!
The court system is set up to force god down the throats of all who
enter the criminals justice system. Expose these criminals and take
our country back.
Nearly every church in the police states has an AA meeting.
TAX free alcoholism.
John Fisher
Karen, had you bothered to read the message in the link provided???
John Fisher
> On Dec 9, 1:00�pm, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 9, 11:52 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > > The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
> > > Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
> > > kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>
>
> > As a result of the Republican administrations, supported by Rome,
> > running this once greater nation into the ground, the Obama
> > administration, and government agencies, is now feeding more people
> > and sheltering more of the homeless than ever. �Food Stamps!!!
> > Veterans Shelters, etc.
>
> John, you really need to stop exaggerating Obama's "accomplishments".
> He's NOT FDR.
> And every day he's in proves it!
>
> If you followed liberal blogs that closely you'd see how upset many
> staunch liberals
> are with him....nevermind Reps and conservatives! He's escalating the
> Afghan war
> which makes some conserves happy but is causing his base to say a big
> fat,
> "Wait a minute...! You're supposed to be stopping both these wars!
> Bring our troops
> home!" If they aren't going to re-charge the effort to find bin Laden
> all it means
> is more Americans killed for no reason.
>
> I'm still waiting for him to make a move re: DADT. Nothing yet. Not a
> goddam thing.
Karen, I've not known you to really support any Democrat, thruout the
years. I've heard only criticisms in the majority of your
contributions.
In reference to the church, and feeding the poor, surely food stamps
provide more to lessen hunger than does any church. In today's
economy, we need to change the welfare system to give relief to those
who have exhausted benefits in attempts to find work that is just not
there. (mnsvho)
John Fisher
>
> > On Dec 9, 11:52 am, "edi...@netpath.net" <edi...@netpath.net> wrote:
>
> > > The Church has actually fed far more homeless people than Obama has.
> > > Obama makes a photo op of volunteering one rare day at one soup
> > > kitchen in one town; the Church does it all over America - daily.
>
>
> > As a result of the Republican administrations, supported by Rome,
> > running this once greater nation into the ground, the Obama
> > administration, and government agencies, is now feeding more people
> > and sheltering more of the homeless than ever. �Food Stamps!!!
> > Veterans Shelters, etc.
>
> John, you really need to stop exaggerating Obama's "accomplishments".
> He's NOT FDR.
> And every day he's in proves it!
>
> If you followed liberal blogs that closely you'd see how upset many
> staunch liberals
> are with him....nevermind Reps and conservatives! He's escalating the
> Afghan war
> which makes some conserves happy but is causing his base to say a big
> fat,
> "Wait a minute...! You're supposed to be stopping both these wars!
> Bring our troops
> home!" If they aren't going to re-charge the effort to find bin Laden
> all it means
> is more Americans killed for no reason.
>
> I'm still waiting for him to make a move re: DADT. Nothing yet. Not a
> goddam thing.
BLACKMAIL is when a church threatens to stop administering to those in
dire and whom they deign to help!!! BLACKMAIL is the threat of
excommunicaton of our lawmakers, and citizens of this country, unless
they support the mandates of their church. Denying the rights of
citizens, due to this kind of BLACKMAIL, should be rewarded with the
imposition of laws which would deny tax free status to those who
insist on such practices. (MNSVHO)
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2009/12/08/cahtolic-church-threatens-end-social-services-dc-if-gay-marriage-approved
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
What for? I already know about it.
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
You haven't responded to the question!!!!-:) You know about
WHAT???-:) HAD YOU BOTHERED TO READ IT???
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>
> Karen, I've not known you to really support any Democrat, thruout the
> years.
The years? You've "known" me a few years.... that's not years.
I was a big supporter of Ed Rendell throughout much of his career
going back to when he was DA of Phila.
Now, though, I don't want Rendell to run for anything else. I want him
to
retire and make way for other/younger people. 'Course his ego probably
won't allow him to do that.
I LOVED, LOVED JFK and RFK. I came to like Teddy K. and
what he accomplished. I liked LBJ.
You've only known me a short whole,
relatively speaking, so you don't know whom I've supported over the
years.
I never liked Bill Clinton when he was prez. I like him better now,
interestingly
enough. I always liked his wife better than him and I supported her
over Obama in 2008 whom I still don't like entirely. Mr Teleprompter
Phony.
I'm not a blind supporter of just any politician... that's true.
Anyone who's
a blind supporter of any of them, no matter the politician, isn't
thinking clearly.
You tend to be blindly in favor of all Democrats no matter what they
say or do.
I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to be manipulated.
But I am
a registered Democrat for 3 to 4 reasons. I've stated those reasons
at least 3 times on public forums so I won't go through them again.
Another reason I'm a registered Dem is because I want to vote
in primaries in my resident state of PA. NOTHING could get me to
register as a Rep.
> I've heard only criticisms in the majority of your
> contributions.
Because that's what we're supposed to do! React when they don't do
stuff that's aimed at furthering goals they officially ran/campaigned
on.
These people want to set themselves above us as our representatives
so they had better play the part! Too many of them end up
disappointing
as Phila's current mayor has. If the job is too big for him(it seems
to be!)
he needs to find the fortitude and honesty within himself to resign.
> In reference to the church, and feeding the poor, surely food stamps
> provide more to lessen hunger than does any church.
All I did was say that Father Divine is dead, his cult is almost gone
so why bring him up as you did. They CAN'T do anything now. There's
hardly
anyone left to do anything.
>In today's
> economy, we need to change the welfare system to give relief to those
> who have exhausted benefits in attempts to find work that is just not
> there. (mnsvho)
Wow, you're telling me this like I don't already know it. And, guess
what
the Divine movement is no position to benefit anyone although they
unloaded prime property in West and North Phila so they
shouldn't be without resources that could help people in need!
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
(shrug)
I already know about the RC church's threat in DC re gay marriage.
John Fisher
PEACE!!!=-:)
You say it took time for you to approve of President Clinton!! It was
the same for me and I was more moved by Hilary. Nonetheless, I gave
him time, respect, and support (except for his move on the poor and
welfare recipients) throughout his entire presidency. As a body,
there is little respect I have for the Republican party and those they
put up to represent my philosophy. I would rather have a lesser
qualified Democrat than right wingers who turn my stomach. Bush had a
chance to prove himself, in spite of the fact that I had no confidence
in him from the gitgo. He proved himself to be a total disgrace,
worthy of disapproval, and I hold him in contempt for the mess he has
made out of this once greater country. I am not willing to denigrate
the efforts of President Obama. I am willing to give him time to pull
us out of the mess left to him by others. He was left with a terrible
mess to straighten out. To mend the mess left to us by Republicans
(over decades, not just the fouled up Bush administration) and NEEDS
TIME (more than one term) to bring us up -- ALL OF US!!!-:) I'm not
going to trash him on every little detail. It's the big picture that
I look to with the knowledge that he can't accomplish goals
overnight. I appreciate his intelligence and trust to him the viable
path to a more lasting peace and the rights of individuals to be
respected.
John Fisher
BTW, Karen, I believe we've been having exchanges since around
1995!!-:)
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>
>
> You say it took time for you to approve of President Clinton!!
I was won over only lately! Back in 2004 when the guy you despise,
GW Bush asked him and his Dad(GHWBush) to work on Tsunami
Relief and, later, the next year regarding Katrina relief. I'm still
furious
with Clinton for caving on the gays-in-the-military business and
allowing
DADT to be created. All the latter did was make it even worse for
skilled gay people to serve in the military. People with skills we
need...
especially nowadays.
But because he's older/I'm older I can accept him on a level I
couldn't in the
90s.
> It was
> the same for me and I was more moved by Hilary.
For obvious reasons, genderwise, I have much more in common with her
than I do with him. In any case I'm close in age to all of those early
Boomer
folks, Clinton, Bush(Jr), Gore, Hillary... So I can relate to all of
them on a certain
level.
> Nonetheless, I gave
> him time, respect, and support (except for his move on the poor and
> welfare recipients) throughout his entire presidency.
Of course you did. He's a Democrat and the first one to have more than
one
elected term since FDR.
> As a body,
> there is little respect I have for the Republican party
There used to be moderates in the Rep Party that I could support. Not
now, of course.
>and those they
> put up to represent my philosophy. I would rather have a lesser
> qualified Democrat than right wingers who turn my stomach.
You know perfectly well that not all Reps were right-wingers in the
way
you mean not all that long ago.
> Bush had a
> chance to prove himself, in spite of the fact that I had no confidence
> in him from the gitgo.
He let the neo-cons control his presidency after 9/11 and a guy who
wasn't so
bad years ago(Dick Cheney) became a kind of Rasputin. Then there was
that lurking maniac, Karl Rove. Of course conservatives see Rahm
Emanuel
in much the same wauy.
> He proved himself to be a total disgrace,
> worthy of disapproval,
He essentially took any good his father did and threw it down the
john, so to speak.
> and I hold him in contempt for the mess he has
> made out of this once greater country.
He really had a window of opportunity, after 9/11, to be a pretty good
president
and he blew it.
> I am not willing to denigrate
> the efforts of President Obama.
Obviously!
If unemployment is still 10%, or more, this time next year,
and after Dems lose a lot of seats in Congress in next year's election
will you still feel that way?
Of course, I want him to succeed! But I also want him to STOP making
speeches,
stay in bloody Wash DC, stop smiling/laughing and actually act like
we've got
a serious cultural problem brewing with so many people being out of
work.
The economic crisis is far from over. He also needs to stop ignoring
the
tea-bagger/populism growing around people like Sarah Palin.
The health reform we may get is NOT what I want, btw.
> I am willing to give him time to pull
> us out of the mess left to him by others.
I have a fair amount of patience believe it or not because I know
how big the problems are but that's not how the rest of the country
operates.
> He was left with a terrible
> mess to straighten out. To mend the mess left to us by Republicans
> (over decades, not just the fouled up Bush administration) and NEEDS
> TIME (more than one term) to bring us up -- ALL OF US!!!-:)
You're assuming he's going to get two terms! That's a ludicrous POV !
I also have this underlying fear that someone will kill him which is
part of why
I want him to stop traveling so much.
So where exactly do you think we'll be then if that happens???
> I'm not
> going to trash him on every little detail.
There are things that matter to me, politically, that I believe have
been neglected
for YEARS. He's not tackling these things fast enough, imo.
> It's the big picture that
> I look to with the knowledge that he can't accomplish goals
> overnight.
He doesn't have all the time in the world. He has to start campaigning
again for 2012 beginning next year! Prez elections are now on a 2 year
campaign
cycle.
> I appreciate his intelligence and trust to him the viable
> path to a more lasting peace and the rights of individuals to be
> respected.
He's got to be there to do it. Again you're assuming that he will be!
I'm not!
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
Perhaps.... but as I recall... most of my usenet activity back then
was
on the soc or rec groups and ones that were local to U of P.
hanc...@bbs.cpcn.com
> all it means
> is more Americans killed for no reason.
As an aside, I read a book by Ted Koppel, written in 1999, in which
Koppel predicts Bin Laden and others will launch a major terrorist
strike against the U.S.
The bulk of that book deals with Kosovo and Clinton's you-know-what.
Amazing what "hot button" issues stayed and what have disappeared.
Does anyone ever talk of Bosnia anymore?
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
Even better let's ask Sarah Palin if she's ever heard of Bosnia???
John Fisher
Great news: marriage equality has just passed in Washington, D.C.!
But before you start celebrating, I wanted to make sure you'd heard
about this: in a blatantly political move to prevent this vote, the
Catholic Archdiocese of Washington last month threatened to cut social
service programs it runs if the bill passed.
I'm not making this up. They'd cut homeless shelters, food programs
for needy families, and health services rather than provide equal
benefits for employees in same-sex marriages. And now that the bill
has passed, supporters of marriage equality are rallying together to
make sure they don't follow through on their threat.
Tell Archbishop Wuerl not to play politics with poor people - join me
in asking him to continue Catholic Charities' city-supported social
services: https://secure3.convio.net/hrc/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=OnScreenThanks&id=637
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Blackmailers and extortionists - The Catholic Bishops influence, and
Right Wing Politicians, manage to subvert a woman's right to
choose!!! Perverts galore manage to have their way, amongst
Democrats, because of Nelson and a handful of blue dog Democrats
Of course, the fight ain't over but, if Congress tries to introduce
anything to which Nelson disagrees, he still holds millions who need
health care hostage because of his particular beliefs. Apparently,
he
thinks if more noble to let 45,000 die, each year, because they don't
have health insurnce than to allow for a woman's right to choose!!!
I wonder if he wouldn't think it proper that a woman be stoned to
death if she made a choice with which he didn't agree?? After all,
their followers sure don't mind murdering doctors who help women
exercise their right. Given more power, to what extremes will they
carry their hatreds????
bam
"John Fisher" <TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote Apparently,
>he
>thinks if more noble to let 45,000 die, each year, because they don't
>have health insurnce than to allow for a woman's right to choose!!!
HAHAHAHA!!! But let's not talk about the million who will die as a result of
the woman's choice. Bloody murdering hippocrite.
BAM
John Fisher
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote Apparently,
"I expect political hardball on any legislation as important as the
health care bill.
I just didn’t expect it from the United States Council of Catholic
Bishops (USCCB).
Who elected them to Congress?
The role the bishops played in the pushing the Stupak amendment, which
unfairly restricts access for low-income women to insurance coverage
for abortions, was more than mere advocacy.
They seemed to dictate the finer points of the amendment, and managed
to bully members of Congress to vote for added restrictions on a
perfectly legal surgical procedure.
And this political effort was subsidized by taxpayers, since the
Council enjoys tax-exempt status.
When I visit churches in my district, we are very careful to keep
everything “non-political” to protect their tax-exempt status.
The IRS is less restrictive about church involvement in efforts to
influence legislation than it is about involvement in campaigns and
elections.
Given the political behavior of USCCB in this case, maybe it shouldn’t
be."
Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.) is co-chair of the Congressional
Progressive Caucus
John Fisher
I think this will help you determine some truths about corruption and
Republicans ('n' rightard hypocrites)!!!