INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
John Fisher
WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
"John Fisher" <TaxSe...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
> INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
You need your head examined, Fisher.
You and Hussein both.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:) He's so much more
intelligent than you!!! Together with his competent advisors, you
know it behooves you to support his efforts!! He's about to save this
once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
support!!!-:) He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) FOLLOW YOUR
GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 15, 12:02?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> You and Hussein both.
>
> -Eddie Haskell
> You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:)
You're following your leader right off a cliff and I wouldn't give a shit
except you're taking the rest of us who actually THINK for ourselves with
you.
Fuck you for that.
> He's so much more
> intelligent than you!!! Together with his competent advisors, you
> know it behooves you to support his efforts!! He's about to save this
> once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> support!!!-:) He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) FOLLOW YOUR
> GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
He's decimating the CIA, spending us into bankruptcy, and attempting to
place the public at the mercy of government via single payer government run
healthcare and you mindlessly support it all because the fuckhead had a "D"
by his name at the voting booth.
You are dumber than shit, Fisher.
-Eddie Haskell
John Q Public
Too bad Fishers Ma didn't insist on a condom, then he wouldn't have
that institutional
sense of entitlement he got at the home
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
ROFLMAO!!!-:) You guys do so-o-o-o much bitchin' 'n' complainin' yet
you can never substantiate any of you comments. Out of the blue, you
make up things, using your corrupted imaginings, and posting nothing
more than whimsicles!!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 15, 1:51?pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
> On 2009-12-15 12:35:36 -0500, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> said:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> >> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> >>> WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> >> You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> >> You and Hussein both.
>
> >> -Eddie Haskell
>
> > intelligent than you!!! ?Together with his competent advisors, you
> > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! ?He's about to save this
> > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> Too bad Fishers Ma didn't insist on a condom, then he wouldn't have
> that institutional
> sense of entitlement he got at the home- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> ROFLMAO!!!-:) You guys do so-o-o-o much bitchin' 'n' complainin' yet
> you can never substantiate any of you comments. Out of the blue, you
> make up things, using your corrupted imaginings, and posting nothing
> more than whimsicles!!!-:)
Are you REALLY telling us that you don't know that the bill the democrats
are pushing includes cuts to Medicare? Are you actually telling us that?!
UPDATE 1-US Senate health plan would raise some premiums-CBO
Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:45am EST
Wed, Nov 18 2009
WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's healthcare bill would raise
insurance premiums by at least 10 percent by 2016 for those independently
buying coverage, but subsidies would reduce the actual costs for half of
that group, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
---------------------------
CBO: Republican health plan would reduce premiums, cut deficit
By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
11/05/09 6:30 AM EST
The Congressional Budget Office Wednesday night released its cost analysis
of the Republican health care plan and found that it would reduce health
care premiums and cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years.
------------------------------
CBO stands by estimate tort reform will save taxpayers billions
12/13/2009 7:47 PM By Chris Rizo
Douglas Elmendorf
WASHINGTON (Legal Newsline)--The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office
says it stands by its analysis that medial malpractice limits would save
American taxpayers billions of dollars.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Tort reform will do diddly!!! It consumes about 1% of total costs!!!
That's little to pay for severe damage done by errors and ommissions
committed by those who are charged with our care. Judges 'n' Juries
decide what equitable settlement there should be in these cases.
Penalties, added in those settlements are generally justified and
imply serious malfeasance and malpractice. When I was a child, one
could buy tomatoes for a penny a pound. Recently, they were seling
for about $3.00 a pound in the grocery store. If a person is
affliected today, and can no longer earn an income, a settlement of
$200,000 might be inflated to over $2,000,000 in time. There are many
things to be considered in these judgments so a set figure is not
always an equitable figure.
The 'FEAR' you are trying to spread regarding Medicare cuts is
unwarranted!!!! They will have no impact on the care, or expense, to
those who are now covered. In fact, the system will better meet the
needs of those currently covered and any newly covered insured under
that plan. It works well now, as does Veterans and other health care
programs which will be enhanced under a better organized system of
delivery FOR ALL!!!!
Your health care is already rationed!!! Even with insurance, you're
likely to experience that reality. I expect you are currently
younger, healthier, and believe you have a miraculous immunity. YOU
DON'T and your circumstances can change overnight (MENTALLY,
PHYSICALLY, FINANCIALLY) A single payer plan would give you the
assurance that you have insurance when you really need it!!!
Ooops!! 'n' haven't you heard, currently, it makes no difference
whether or not you have insurance if we're hit with a plague (bad flu
epidemic). They'll be crying out, from the streets, "BRING OUT YOUR
DEAD"!!! Triage already exists but in an emergency, few/none of
your
cries will be heard. You'd likely have a better chance of survival
under a single payer plan, 'cause medical records could be accessed
in
moments rather than under the current system which is not quite so
well organized. It will also create jobs in the medical industry and
pump money into a system which will include the building of new
facilities.(mnsvho)
Listen to the TRAITOR Lieberman and your life will be threatened not
only with lack of health care but lack of care under the world war/
Armageddan he seeks to provoke. (momo)
BTW, Republicans have no health care plan!!! They have had no health
plan and had many years to implement it. Given the opportunity to do
so, we would, once again, be confronted with the only thing they know
how to perpetrate = LIES!!! As for increases in premiums, the figure
you show sounds minimal compared to the rapid rate at which premiums
are being increased. I have clients who are currently paying $24,000
a year for just 2 people (husband & wife). That, my friends, is an
outrage!!! (mnsvho).
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 15, 2:23?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:88c06bb8-891f-473e...@g12g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 1:51?pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2009-12-15 12:35:36 -0500, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> said:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> > >> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>> INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > >>> WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > >> You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > >> You and Hussein both.
>
> > >> -Eddie Haskell
>
> > > You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:) ? He's so much more
> > > intelligent than you!!! ?Together with his competent advisors, you
> > > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! ?He's about to save this
> > > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > > support!!!-:) ?He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) ?FOLLOW YOUR
> > > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> > Too bad Fishers Ma didn't insist on a condom, then he wouldn't have
> > that institutional
> > sense of entitlement he got at the home- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > you can never substantiate any of you comments. ?Out of the blue, you
> > make up things, using your corrupted imaginings, and posting nothing
> > more than whimsicles!!!-:)
>
> Are you REALLY telling us that you don't know that the bill the democrats
> are pushing includes cuts to Medicare? Are you actually telling us that?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBj5dyzsJkY&NR=1
Your bullshit percentage is skewed by lying democrats who don't include the
billions wasted with unnecessary procedures that doctors perform to cover
their asses and only bottleneck care, and the reason you argue against
saving billions that would improve care and decrease costs is because trail
lawyers are the democrats biggest contributors so they make up stupid
excuses for you to parrot like an idiot to cover their immoral quest for
power.
Damn, you're such patsy idiot.
"As Congress debates a national health care overhaul, the Congressional
Budget Office director, Douglas Elmendorf, said as much as $54 billion could
be saved over the next 10 years if Congress enacts legal reforms including a
$250,000 cap on damages for pain and suffering and a $500,000 cap on
punitive damages and restricting the statute of limitations on malpractice
claims."
54 fucking billion that could go to helping sick people as opposed to
jack-pot justice and you say fuck it, it's only 54 billion.
Oh, well. Democrats gotta have power. It's the end all be all of all worlds.
You should be shot for mindlessly supporting such corruption.
-Eddie Haskell
Stile4aly
>
> - Show quoted text -
How much is 54 billion in the grand scheme? Currently, we spend about
16% of GDP on health care. GDP in 2008 was about 16 trillion, so 16%
of that is 2.56 trillion. 54 billion is about .2% of total health
care spending.
It's not to say it would have no impact, but compared to other things
that can be done it is negligible.
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
You need to stop obsessing over John Fisher. So WHO actually needs
their head
examined? You.
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
Did you know that he actually has Irish ancestry? 'Course that's
not all that unusual for black Americans.
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d8231b56-5b8c-4ffc...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 12:02?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
> > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > You and Hussein both.
>
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:)
>
> You're following your leader right off a cliff and I wouldn't give a shit
> except you're taking the rest of us who actually THINK for ourselves with
> you.
>
> Fuck you for that.
Our fate was decided long before Obama became prez.
History proves in EVERY way that all great powers are born, live/
thrive
die. There's nothing you or I can do about it. Thinking you can delay
it won't work. It's inevitable.
> > He's so much more
> > intelligent than you!!! Together with his competent advisors, you
> > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! He's about to save this
> > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > support!!!-:) He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) FOLLOW YOUR
> > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> He's decimating the CIA, spending us into bankruptcy,
The country was already bankrupt before you or I knew much
about Obama.
> and attempting to
> place the public at the mercy of government via single payer government run
> healthcare and you mindlessly support it all because the fuckhead had a "D"
> by his name at the voting booth.
>
> You are dumber than shit, Fisher.
You're in denial. But so is John Fisher
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
J. Fisher is 80something. Did they even have what passes for condoms
today in the 1920s???
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
In one form, or another, I expect it goes back to the Trojans, and
earlier!!-:) In our time, major innovations helped advance the use.
The Catholic Church still consider use a sinful act. Some
religionists maintain that disease of those who do not use condums is
just punishment for the sin of sex. In my time, they were under the
counter products (like Kotex) which were unmentionables in polite
society!!!-:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condom
Eddie Haskell
<kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:a2054cca-3b98-4cc8...@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 15, 1:21 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:d8231b56-5b8c-4ffc...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 12:02?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
> > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > You and Hussein both.
>
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:)
>
> You're following your leader right off a cliff and I wouldn't give a shit
> except you're taking the rest of us who actually THINK for ourselves with
> you.
>
> Fuck you for that.
> Our fate was decided long before Obama became prez.
> History proves in EVERY way that all great powers are born, live/
> thrive
> die. There's nothing you or I can do about it. Thinking you can delay
> it won't work. It's inevitable.
Only because dumbshits like Fisher exist. People who do not pay taxes
shouldn't be allowed to vote. That would be totally fair and the salvation
of our nation. As it is we have too many people voting largess to line their
pockets without regard for the costs that are increasingly born by an ever
decreasing minority.
> > He's so much more
> > intelligent than you!!! Together with his competent advisors, you
> > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! He's about to save this
> > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > support!!!-:) He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) FOLLOW YOUR
> > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> He's decimating the CIA, spending us into bankruptcy,
> The country was already bankrupt before you or I knew much
> about Obama.
The country was in debt. Hussein is spending us into a bankruptcy that we'll
NEVER be able to dig our way out of.
> and attempting to
> place the public at the mercy of government via single payer government
> run
> healthcare and you mindlessly support it all because the fuckhead had a
> "D"
> by his name at the voting booth.
>
> You are dumber than shit, Fisher.
> You're in denial. But so is John Fisher
You've given up. Now, get out of the way. The rest of us have democrat ass
to kick.
I'd suggest you duck when the bullets start flying, useless.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
"Stile4aly" <stil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c1ecf913-b334-4170...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
It's 54 billion in the grand scheme. That how much it fucking is.
You have NO argument.
Now, sit down and STFU about it.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
DENIAL???? Karen, would you deprive us of our recreational drug???-:)
Eddie Haskell
<kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
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Fisher want his Medicare cut and die for the cause.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Poor Mickey Haskell!!!-:) I don't have to rely on Medicare, Mickey -
BUT I COULD!!!-:) I can even opt out - BUT I WON'T!!!-:)
Poor Mickey, Eddie, Flanigan, Haskell!!!-:)
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
BTW, Karen, this post has gone off in a different direction from where
it started. It was initiated, with a smile, immediately after our
great President Barack Obama, made the statement regarding energy
conservation and the tax breaks associated with it. He did sat
"Insulation is Sexy"!!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
<kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
news:1f59207c-9d6c-43fa...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
Did you or did you not just get through posting to Fisher, you nutcase?
The projection is off the charts..
Man, being me and getting to be so clever. What fun it is.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 16, 10:30?am, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> <kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:07907ed9-4eef-4f4e...@u20g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 1:51 pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2009-12-15 12:35:36 -0500, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> said:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> > >> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>> INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > >>> WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > >> You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > >> You and Hussein both.
>
> > >> -Eddie Haskell
>
> > > You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:) He's so much more
> > > intelligent than you!!! Together with his competent advisors, you
> > > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! He's about to save this
> > > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > > support!!!-:) He's your last best hope, Mickey!!!-:) FOLLOW YOUR
> > > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> > Too bad Fishers Ma didn't insist on a condom, then he wouldn't have
> > that institutional
> > sense of entitlement he got at the home
> > today in the 1920s???
>
> Fisher want his Medicare cut and die for the cause.
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Poor Mickey Haskell!!!-:) I don't have to rely on Medicare, Mickey -
So fuck those that do, huh, Fisher?
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 16, 8:04?am, kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:51?pm, John Q Public <my2ce...@me.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2009-12-15 12:35:36 -0500, John Fisher <TaxServ...@aol.com> said:
>
> > > On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> > >> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>> INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > >>> WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > >> You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > >> You and Hussein both.
>
> > >> -Eddie Haskell
>
> > > intelligent than you!!! ?Together with his competent advisors, you
> > > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! ?He's about to save this
> > > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> > Too bad Fishers Ma didn't insist on a condom, then he wouldn't have
> > that institutional
> > sense of entitlement he got at the home
>
> today in the 1920s???- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> BTW, Karen, this post has gone off in a different direction from where
> it started. It was initiated, with a smile, immediately after our
> great President Barack Obama, made the statement regarding energy
> conservation and the tax breaks associated with it. He did sat
> "Insulation is Sexy"!!!-:)
Yeah, go stick your shriveled up dick in a nice cushy pile of insulation,
Fisher. You'll love it. Trust me. Hussein said so, so you know it's true.
The gospel according to Jesus fucking Christ.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
There are "greedy people" and there are "NEEDY PEOPLE"!!!-:) Your
GREED shines through!! Of course, that makes your need so much
greater than those of most others.
And as a case for nuts, there is no more room in that case for it is
fully occupied by you!!!=:)
Stile4aly
> "Stile4aly" <stile4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I must be a masochist. I'm consistently reminded about how useless it
is to make a simple logical argument, particularly on a "gray area"
subject when it's easier just to scream talking points.
As far as my idea, I think that rather than tort reform, a 'special
masters' commission should be created, much like the vaccine courts,
for medical malpractice cases. This would ensure that the questions
are judged on the merits of the scientific evidence rather than on the
ability to sway the jury.
Eddie Haskell
The 54 billion is achieved by simple caps on pain and suffering awards. It
should be done and nothing else needs to be said.
> As far as my idea, I think that rather than tort reform, a 'special
> masters' commission should be created, much like the vaccine courts,
> for medical malpractice cases. This would ensure that the questions
> are judged on the merits of the scientific evidence rather than on the
> ability to sway the jury.
Sorry, can't be done. Trail lawyers are the democrats single biggest
contributors so billions have to be pissed away and stupid shit sycophants
like Fisher here in this thread are too fucking stupid to oppose such
corruption.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 16, 10:41?am, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> <kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>
> news:1f59207c-9d6c-43fa...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > You and Hussein both.
>
> > -Eddie Haskell
> > You need to stop obsessing over John Fisher. So WHO actually needs
> > their head
> > examined? You.
>
> Did you or did you not just get through posting to Fisher, you nutcase?
>
> The projection is off the charts..
>
> Man, being me and getting to be so clever. What fun it is.
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> There are "greedy people" and there are "NEEDY PEOPLE"!!!-:) Your
> GREED shines through!!
I'm not the one that wants to steal 300 billion from Medicare, and bankrupt
the nation for government freebees, Fisher, you irresponsible projecting
psycho fuck.
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Testimony of experts is currently available!!! Are you saying a new
special agency of the government should be created???
Stile4aly
>
> - Show quoted text -
Testimony of experts is available, but the judgment is made by
laypeople who may or may not understand the nature of the evidence.
By setting up a special masters court, you would have medical experts
who would determine whether negligence or malpractice truly occurred
based on scientific evidence rather than emotion. This would achieve
some limited tort reform in that frivolous and meritless lawsuits
would be severely curtailed but would not limit the proper award of
damages if true malpractice or negligence occurs the way that setting
a cap would limit it.
John Fisher
Figures LIE, Flannigan 'n' LIARS figure, Haskell!!! Why do you
continually bear false witness, coveting your neighbors goods (LIFE,
LIBERTY, & THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS)??? You 'n' some of yoiur friends
want it all, Mickey!!! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT!!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 16, 7:56?am, kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu wrote:
> On Dec 15, 1:21?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:d8231b56-5b8c-4ffc...@b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 15, 12:02?pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > > > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > > You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > > You and Hussein both.
>
> > > -Eddie Haskell
> > > You must learn, Eddie, to follow your leader!!!-:)
>
> > You're following your leader right off a cliff and I wouldn't give a
> > shit
> > except you're taking the rest of us who actually THINK for ourselves
> > with
> > you.
>
> > Fuck you for that.
>
> Our fate was decided long before Obama became prez.
>
> History proves in EVERY way that all great powers are born, live/
> thrive
> die. There's nothing you or I can do about it. Thinking you can delay
> it won't work. It's inevitable.
>
> > > intelligent than you!!! ?Together with his competent advisors, you
> > > know it behooves you to support his efforts!! ?He's about to save this
> > > once greater country from the predators whom you so avidley
> > > GREAT LEADER, BARACK HUSSEIN O'BAMA, THE GREAT IRISH LIBERATOR!!!!-:)
>
> > He's decimating the CIA, spending us into bankruptcy,
>
> The country was already bankrupt before you or I knew much
> about Obama.
>
> > and attempting to
> > place the public at the mercy of government via single payer government
> > run
> > healthcare and you mindlessly support it all because the fuckhead had a
> > "D"
> > by his name at the voting booth.
>
> > You are dumber than shit, Fisher.
>
> You're in denial. But so is John Fisher- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> DENIAL???? Karen, would you deprive us of our recreational drug???-:)
Choke this one down, Fisher.
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
By Meg Sullivan August 10, 2004 Category: Research
Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression
dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought
to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
After scrutinizing Roosevelt's record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee
E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71
years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.
"Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery,
and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether
we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump," said Ohanian, vice
chair of UCLA's Department of Economics. "We found that a relapse isn't
likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus
policies."
In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy,
Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that
Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.
[Remind you of someone?]
<SMACK!>
"President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for
the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing
employment and demand for goods and services," said Cole, also a UCLA
professor of economics. "So he came up with a recovery package that would be
unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without
the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25
percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The
economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled
by these misguided policies."
Using data collected in 1929 by the Conference Board and the Bureau of Labor
Statistics, Cole and Ohanian were able to establish average wages and prices
across a range of industries just prior to the Depression. By adjusting for
annual increases in productivity, they were able to use the 1929 benchmark
to figure out what prices and wages would have been during every year of the
Depression had Roosevelt's policies not gone into effect. They then compared
those figures with actual prices and wages as reflected in the Conference
Board data.
In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt's policies,
wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise
would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25
percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.
Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they
should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services
that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross
national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might
have been.
"High wages and high prices in an economic slump run contrary to everything
we know about market forces in economic downturns," Ohanian said. "As we've
seen in the past several years, salaries and prices fall when unemployment
is high. By artificially inflating both, the New Deal policies
short-circuited the market's self-correcting forces."
The policies were contained in the National Industrial Recovery Act (NIRA),
which exempted industries from antitrust prosecution if they agreed to enter
into collective bargaining agreements that significantly raised wages.
Because protection from antitrust prosecution all but ensured higher prices
for goods and services, a wide range of industries took the bait, Cole and
Ohanian found. By 1934 more than 500 industries, which accounted for nearly
80 percent of private, non-agricultural employment, had entered into the
collective bargaining agreements called for under NIRA.
Cole and Ohanian calculate that NIRA and its aftermath account for 60
percent of the weak recovery. Without the policies, they contend that the
Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe
the slump actually ended: 1943.
Roosevelt's role in lifting the nation out of the Great Depression has been
so revered that Time magazine readers cited it in 1999 when naming him the
20th century's second-most influential figure.
"This is exciting and valuable research," said Robert E. Lucas Jr., the 1995
Nobel Laureate in economics, and the John Dewey Distinguished Service
Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago. "The prevention and
cure of depressions is a central mission of macroeconomics, and if we can't
understand what happened in the 1930s, how can we be sure it won't happen
again?"
NIRA's role in prolonging the Depression has not been more closely
scrutinized because the Supreme Court declared the act unconstitutional
within two years of its passage.
"Historians have assumed that the policies didn't have an impact because
they were too short-lived, but the proof is in the pudding," Ohanian said.
"We show that they really did artificially inflate wages and prices."
Even after being deemed unconstitutional, Roosevelt's anti-competition
policies persisted - albeit under a different guise, the scholars found.
Ohanian and Cole painstakingly documented the extent to which the Roosevelt
administration looked the other way as industries once protected by NIRA
continued to engage in price-fixing practices for four more years.
The number of antitrust cases brought by the Department of Justice fell from
an average of 12.5 cases per year during the 1920s to an average of 6.5
cases per year from 1935 to 1938, the scholars found. Collusion had become
so widespread that one Department of Interior official complained of
receiving identical bids from a protected industry (steel) on 257 different
occasions between mid-1935 and mid-1936. The bids were not only identical
but also 50 percent higher than foreign steel prices. Without competition,
wholesale prices remained inflated, averaging 14 percent higher than they
would have been without the troublesome practices, the UCLA economists
calculate.
NIRA's labor provisions, meanwhile, were strengthened in the National
Relations Act, signed into law in 1935. As union membership doubled, so did
labor's bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to
about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24
percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929
figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate. Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the
U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of
24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the
unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.
Recovery came only after the Department of Justice dramatically stepped
enforcement of antitrust cases nearly four-fold and organized labor suffered
a string of setbacks, the economists found.
"The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of
economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover
from depressions and that significant government intervention was required
to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that the
recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."
-UCLA-
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Pure SPECULATION, eddie!!!-:) As we said before - "Figures LIE 'n'
LIARS fig're!!!-:) We are dealing with what is and not the fantasies
of dreamers!!-:)
John Fisher
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Typical response for one of those on the right who dare to take the
name of their Lord in vain!!! Hypocrites galore!!! They speak out of
both side of their dirty mouths!!! (mnsvho)
Eddie Haskell
Didn't read it, huh, moron?
Eddie Haskell
> > a string of setbacks, the economists found.
>
> > "The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations
> > of
> > economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to
> > recover
> > from depressions and that significant government intervention was
> > required
> > to achieve good outcomes," Cole said. "Ironically, our work shows that
> > the
> > recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened."
>
> > -UCLA-
>
> > -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Pure SPECULATION, eddie!!!-:) ?As we said before - "Figures LIE 'n'
> LIARS fig're!!!-:) ?We are dealing with what is and not the fantasies
> of dreamers!!-:)
Didn't read it, huh, moron?
FDR's policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate
[Remind you of someone?]
<SMACK!>
Eddie Haskell
> > great President Barack Obama, made the statement regarding energy
> > "Insulation is Sexy"!!!-:)
>
> Yeah, go stick your shriveled up dick in a nice cushy pile of insulation,
> Fisher. You'll love it. Trust me. Hussein said so, so you know it's true.
> The gospel according to Jesus fucking Christ.
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Typical response for one of those on the right who dare to take the
> name of their Lord in vain!!! Hypocrites galore!!! They speak out of
> both side of their dirty mouths!!! (mnsvho)
No we don't goddamn it.
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
On Dec 16, 11:46?am, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:901e3366-688e-4107...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 16, 10:41?am, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > <kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu> wrote in message
>
> >news:1f59207c-9d6c-43fa...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
> > On Dec 15, 12:02 pm, "Eddie Haskell" <f...@eeaeae.com> wrote:
>
> > > "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:fa8405e8-078a-4662...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > INSULATION IS SEXY!!!!-:)
>
> > > > WEAR A RUBBER!!!!-:)
>
> > > You need your head examined, Fisher.
>
> > > You and Hussein both.
>
> > > -Eddie Haskell
> > > You need to stop obsessing over John Fisher. So WHO actually needs
> > > their head
> > > examined? You.
>
> > Did you or did you not just get through posting to Fisher, you nutcase?
>
> > The projection is off the charts..
>
> > Man, being me and getting to be so clever. What fun it is.
>
> > -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
> > GREED shines through!!
>
> I'm not the one that wants to steal 300 billion from Medicare, and
> bankrupt
> the nation for government freebees, Fisher, you irresponsible projecting
> psycho fuck.
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Figures LIE, Flannigan 'n' LIARS figure, Haskell!!! Why do you
> continually bear false witness
Demented kook.
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your references are from misrepresentations presented in an article
from June. At any rate, the intent has always been to enhance
Medicare and not diminish it. Another case of LIARS fig're 'n'
fig'res can be used to LIE!!! Here are some of the LIES degenerate
Republicans have promoted:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200912160024
Want more??? C'mon back!!-:)
Eddie Haskell
> > continually bear false witness
>
> Demented kook.
>
> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
> additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs
> to
> pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the
> next
> decade."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/i...
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Your references are from misrepresentations presented in an article
> from June. At any rate, the intent has always been to enhance
> Medicare and not diminish it.
Didn't read it, huh?
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
Haskell, I responded to the printed matter and it doesn't lend to the
conversation. It is a presentation which does not go into depth with
regard to the savings and increased benefits to seniors. The scare
tactics have been quite prominent. The Republican plans would work
towards the absolute demise of Medicare. Kind of funny that they
would use misrepresentations which portend to diminish benefits. by
Democrats, when Republicans, if they had their way, would abolish
Medicare. They've always worked towards that end wherein social
benefits are provided for the poor and working class.
Let me share this with you!!! It is CURRENT:
Dear John:
Thank you for contacting my office regarding health care reform. I
appreciate hearing from you.
The Congress is continuing its work on healthcare reform legislation,
and I believe the prospects are reasonably good that we will produce a
bill. We need to move ahead, and doing nothing is not an option. The
problems of so many millions of uninsured Americans and the problems
of the rising healthcare costs makes it imperative that action be
taken.
I think that the bill which has been proposed is a good start. It is
obviously subject to amendments and some modification. But the total
cost has come in at about $850 billion over 10 years and is projected
to save about $130 billion to reduce the deficit. In the second
decade it is projected to save even more, up to as much as $650
billion. President Obama has committed not to sign a healthcare bill
which adds to the deficit, and I'm committed not to vote for a
healthcare bill that adds to the deficit.
It is my hope that the bill will emerge with very strong provisions
on preventative care. That includes annual examinations without
additional costs and encouraging people to have the annual exams to
catch many problems at their early stages, like heart disease or
ailments, before they develop into debilitating and expensive chronic
diseases. I think that early detection is vital. I can tell you from
my personal experience: an MRI detected a brain tumor the size of a
golf ball between my skull and my brain back in 1993. It could have
been a very serious matter had that early detection not occurred.
Healthcare reform is vital and we're determined to get a good bill.
I look forward to working with my colleagues on this landmark
legislation. Again, thank you for contacting me. If you have any
further questions on this issue or any related matter, please do not
hesitate to contact me or visit my web site, http://specter.senate.gov.
Sincerely,
Arlen Specter
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
>
> The country was in debt. Hussein is spending us into a bankruptcy that we'll
> NEVER be able to dig our way out of.
Lookit, if John McCain had won the verdict would be exactly the same:
bankruptcy
brought on by debt overload. Whether it happens in 10 years/20 years
doesn't make a hell of a lot of difference.
> > and attempting to
> > place the public at the mercy of government via single payer government
> > run
> > healthcare and you mindlessly support it all because the fuckhead had a
> > "D"
> > by his name at the voting booth.
>
> > You are dumber than shit, Fisher.
>
> You've given up.
It's not a matter of giving up. It's reality. NO great power ever
survives
over time. They evolve/change and/or die.
> Now, get out of the way.
I'm already out of your way pal. Always have been.
>The rest of us have democrat ass
> to kick.
Can you start with kicking that Uncle Tom-(Mike Steele) stooge out of
the
as Rep Party head? I mean if I was 30 years old I'd be kicking your
ass
for keeping that jack ass around.
> I'd suggest you duck when the bullets start flying, useless.
Where I live there are probably more guns around than probably where
you are. Haven't been hit by bullets yet..
kyb...@mail.med.upenn.edu
Pal, people like you didn't want Medicare from the gitgo.. so all of
sudden you're
for it???
art clemons
> Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression
> dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously
> thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.
>
You know there's a hole in this argument, one that other economists have
pointed out in the past, a major hole, namely why did the rest of the world
continue in said economic downturn? The US was relatively isolationist
during most of the depression and it most certainly was not involved in free
trade practices. Thus the analysis you suggest has a gaping hole, the rest
of the world, even Deutschland and the USSR had economic difficulties as did
Great Britain, France and most of Europe.
Economists can find data and use it to explain things, but often, the
analysis falls apart in the real world.
art clemons
> J. Fisher is 80something. Did they even have what passes for condoms
> today in the 1920s???
>
Condoms are a long time practice, sometimes practical other times not so
practical.
The most assuredly were used long before John's great-great grandparents
were gleams in their respective father's eyes to use a cliche.
Eddie Haskell
> > Medicare and not diminish it.
>
> Didn't read it, huh?
>
> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
> additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs
> to
> pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the
> next
> decade."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/i...
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> Haskell, I responded to the printed matter and it doesn't lend to the
> conversation. It is a presentation which does not go into depth with
> regard to the savings and increased benefits to seniors. The scare
> tactics have been quite prominent.
Didn't read it, huh?
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade."
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
To address those concerns, Obama has pledged to come up with enough
spending cuts and new revenue to pay for reforms.
WITHOUT CUTTING BENEFITS TO SENIORS!!!-:) The detailed plans are to
improve efficiency, cutting out waste, and delivering services which
are beyond the feigned scope of understanding upon which Republicans
rely to spread fear!! Hence, you depend on spreaing that gospel of
fear which is totally without justification. Fanciful imaginings are
the trademark of the wingers. Enjoy the ride Eddie!!! You're sure
to be pleased with the results!!! 'n Fear not!!! It's the only
element your really have to fear!!!-:)
YOUR HEALTH CARE COSTS, AND THOSE OF THE NATION, ARE GOING TO
REDUCED!!! UPON THAT YOU MAY RELY!!!-:) You'll be pleased, in the
end!!! Just stick it out 'n take my word for it!!-:) VBG
Eddie Haskell
> > regard to the savings and increased benefits to seniors. ?The scare
> > tactics have been quite prominent.
>
> Didn't read it, huh?
>
> "WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
> additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs
> to
> pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the
> next
> decade."
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/i...
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> To address those concerns, Obama has pledged to come up with enough
> spending cuts and new revenue to pay for reforms.
> WITHOUT CUTTING BENEFITS TO SENIORS!!!-:) The detailed plans are to
> improve efficiency, cutting out waste, and delivering services which
I have a bridge to sell you.
Wed, Nov 18 2009
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
---------------------------
By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
------------------------------
Douglas Elmendorf
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
I don't buy bridges to nowhere, Mickey!!!-:) It's bad enough wingers
were able to lead us on the road to hell without any roadmap to show
us the way back. They're stlll trying to lead us on that path but
we're not letting them get away with it!!!-=:) That has been left up
to our intelligent, compassionate, hands on President Obama and those
he has appointed to help him!!! He's a truly great man, Mickey!!!
The day will come when you agree to that assessment!!-:)
JOHN --
Early this morning, the Senate made history and health reform cleared
its most important hurdle yet -- garnering the 60 votes needed to move
toward a final vote in that chamber later this week.
This marks the first time in our nation's history that comprehensive
health reform has come to this point. And it appears that the American
people will soon realize the genuine reform that offers security to
those who have health insurance and affordable options to those who do
not.
I'm grateful to Senator Harry Reid and every senator who's been
working around the clock to make this happen. And I'm grateful to you,
and every member of the Organizing for America community, for all the
work you have done to make this progress possible.
After a nearly century-long struggle, we are now on the cusp of making
health insurance reform a reality in the United States of America.
As with any legislation, compromise is part of the process. But I'm
pleased that recently added provisions have made this landmark bill
even stronger. Between the time when the bill passes and the time when
the insurance exchanges get up and running, insurance companies that
try to jack up their rates do so at their own peril. Those who hike
their prices may be barred from selling plans on the exchanges.
And while insurance companies will be prevented from denying coverage
on the basis of pre-existing conditions once the exchanges are open,
in the meantime there will be a high-risk pool where people with pre-
existing conditions can purchase affordable coverage.
A recent amendment has made these protections even stronger. Insurance
companies will now be prohibited from denying coverage to children
immediately after this bill passes. There's also explicit language in
this bill that will protect a patient's choice of doctor. And small
businesses will get additional assistance as well.
These protections are in addition to the ones we've been talking about
for some time. No longer will insurance companies be able to drop your
coverage if you become sick and no longer will you have to pay
unlimited amounts out of your own pocket for treatments that you need.
Under this bill families will save on their premiums; businesses that
would see their costs rise if we don't act will save money now and in
the future. This bill will strengthen Medicare and extend the life of
the program. Because it's paid for and gets rid of waste and
inefficiency in our health care system, this will be the largest
deficit reduction plan in over a decade.
Finally, this reform will extend coverage to more than 30 million
Americans who don't have it.
These are not small changes. These are big changes. They're
fundamental reforms. They will save money. They will save lives.
And your passion, your work, your organizing helped make all of this
possible. Now it's time to finish the job.
Thank you,
President Barack Obama
Eddie Haskell
Like hell you don't.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
Wed, Nov 18 2009
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
---------------------------
By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
------------------------------
Douglas Elmendorf
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
>
> - Show quoted text -
Eddie, I've read the links and find you lacking in ability to
interpret them. Some of the links could not be accessed. However,
there is nothing material in any of the presentatioons which amounts
to diddly. The health care plan proposed will not have any impact on
delivery of services to seniors. Why do you continue to believe in
those things you are told to believe. Most of your ramblings are
without any credible basis. Most charges are based on the imaginings
of those who do no support progress. Apparently, you misread the $313
billion in Medicare cuts. In truth, the statement has to do with a
proposed SAVINGS OF $313. BILLION IN SAVINGS!!!! Why do you
continually try to misrepresent the truth??? The only way to deal
with LIES is to tell the truth, Mickey!! Remember, you can go to hell
for LYING!!!
Eddie Haskell
Shut the fuck up, Fisher. I'm SICK of listening to you. The plan will CUT
500 billion form Medicare and if you don't think that will affect seniors
you're a goddamned idiot.
Brain-dead dumbfuck idolaters of the DNC who refuse to think for themselves
like you are USELESS.
Go to hell for making everyone who has a brain suffer because are a toady
fucking IDIOT!
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
You're confused, and mis-lead by wingnuts who would love to continue
on with its policy of protection of the few at cost to the many!!1
Conservative media cite industry study on premiums, ignore nonpartisan
CBO!!!!
Don't be led into more ignorance by listenting to conservative media,
Mickey:
http://mediamatters.org/research/200912220018
Taste some of the truth and rejoice!!!-:) The Senate has given us a
Christmas present by getting started in implementing a health plan for
which the masses will rejoice!!! Now, hopefully,lending to a
healthy, happy, prosperouse New Year, the House and Senate will
overwhelmingly see to it that it comes into fruition!!! Thanks for
your support, Mick!!-:) WE'RE ON OUR WAY!!!-:)
John Fisher
Eddie Haskell
> > there is nothing material in any of the presentatioons which amounts
> > delivery of services to seniors.
>
> Shut the fuck up, Fisher. I'm SICK of listening to you. The plan will CUT
> 500 billion form Medicare and if you don't think that will affect seniors
> you're a goddamned idiot.
>
> Brain-dead dumbfuck idolaters of the DNC who refuse to think for
> themselves
> like you are USELESS.
>
> Go to hell for making everyone who has a brain suffer because are a toady
> fucking IDIOT!
>
> -Eddie Haskell- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
> You're confused, and mis-lead by wingnuts who would love to continue
> on with its policy of protection of the few at cost to the many!!1
> Conservative media cite industry study on premiums, ignore nonpartisan
> CBO!!!!
What in the FUCK do you think that I just posted, Fisher, YOU FUCKING IDIOT?
> Don't be led into more ignorance by listenting to conservative media,
> Mickey:
> http://mediamatters.org/research/200912220018
What the fuck does this link have to do with the fact that this bill will
cut Medicare, Fisher, you idiot?
"Congress' chief budget officer on Tuesday contradicted President Barack
Obama's oft-stated claim that seniors wouldn't see their Medicare benefits
cut under a health care overhaul."
"The head of the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, Douglas Elmendorf,
told senators that seniors in Medicare's managed care plans could see
reduced benefits under a bill in the Finance Committee."
You post a link to an ultra partisan website and claim that Reuters is
right-wing to prove that Medicare won't be cut and makes the claim that
yeah, insurance premiums will go up, but to worry, the government will step
in a subsidize them?
It's a goddamned shame you are TOO STUPID to realize how fucking ridiculous
that is.
On so many fucking levels it's in outer space it's all so over your head.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
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By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
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Douglas Elmendorf
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
-Eddie Haskell
Eddie Haskell
You goddamned dumbshit.
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CBO: Republican health plan would reduce premiums, cut deficit
By: Susan Ferrechio
Chief Congressional Correspondent
11/05/09 6:30 AM EST
The Congressional Budget Office Wednesday night released its cost analysis
of the Republican health care plan and found that it would reduce health
care premiums and cut the deficit by $68 billion over ten years.
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CBO stands by estimate tort reform will save taxpayers billions
12/13/2009 7:47 PM By Chris Rizo
Douglas Elmendorf
WASHINGTON (Legal Newsline)--The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office
says it stands by its analysis that medial malpractice limits would save
American taxpayers billions of dollars.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an
additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to
pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next
decade.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm
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WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's healthcare bill would raise
insurance premiums by at least 10 percent by 2016 for those independently
buying coverage, but subsidies would reduce the actual costs for half of
that group, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
-Eddie Haskell
John Fisher
> "John Fisher" <TaxServ...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> WASHINGTON, Nov 30 (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate's healthcare bill would raise
> insurance premiums by at least 10 percent by 2016 for those independently
> buying coverage, but subsidies would reduce the actual costs for half of
> that group, the Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.
>
> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3042820120091130
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> - Show quoted text -
"But let's talk about what's really at stake for America. The Senate
health reform bill will:
-- Extend coverage to 31 million Americans, the largest expansion of
coverage since the creation of Medicare.
-- Ensure that you can choose your own doctor.
-- Finally stop insurance companies from denying coverage due to a pre-
existing condition.
-- Make sure you will never be charged exorbitant premiums on the
basis of your age, health, or gender.
-- Guarantee you will never lose your coverage just because you get
sick or injured.
-- Protect you from outrageous out-of-pocket expenditures by
establishing lifetime and annual limits.
-- Allow young people to stay on their parents' coverage until they're
26 years old.
-- Create health insurance exchanges, or "one-stop shops" for
individuals purchasing insurance, where insurance companies are forced
to compete for new customers.
-- Lower premiums for families, according to the non-partisan
Congressional Budget Office -- especially for struggling folks who
will receive subsidies.
-- Help small businesses provide health care coverage to their
employees with tax credits and by allowing them to purchase coverage
through the exchanges.
-- Improve and strengthen Medicare by eliminating waste and fraud
(without cutting basic benefits), beginning to close the Medicare Part
D donut hole, and extending the life of the Medicare trust fund.
-- Create jobs by reining in costs -- fostering competition, reducing
waste and inefficiency, and starting to reward doctors and hospitals
for quality, not quantity, of care.
-- Cut the deficit by over $130 billion in the next 10 years.
It's a long list. But that's only because this bill represents the
most significant health reform our nation has seen since the creation
of Medicare.
And it's important that every American knows what's really at stake
this holiday season.
So please pass this email along to friends, family, and neighbors
today -
art clemons
>> Economists can find data and use it to explain things, but often, the
>> analysis falls apart in the real world.
>
> When the US sneezes, the world catches a cold, goober.
I suggest the US no longer is the driving economic force it once was. It
may indeed be the world's biggest borrower, and purchaser but it lacks the
ability to drive the world. One indicator you seem to ignore is that right
now the EU seems to be recovering a lot faster than the US from recession.
Your US focused analysis once again demonstrates your lack of logic and
knowledge!
art clemons
> Our productivity kicks EU's ass, their poor monetary position actually
> helps em out as they can't borrow or print much more money to
> (Stimulize-hahahahaha) their economies so the free
> market is working their faster than in US where BO's BS spending spree
> is causing economy
> to bog, lag and move nowhere!
> So once the socialists are defeated all you pseudo-marxists in the EU
> can kiss your brief
> moment in fiscal spotlight goodbye and go back to letting entitlements
> screw your economies!
I have a serious question for you, just what is the US economy producing and
shaming the EU? It's not automobiles, it's not heavy equipment, it's not
clothing, it's not some form of manufactured goods. Intellectual property
doesn't necessarily produce results for a growing economy either.
At present, the fastest growing form of entitlement seems to be giving to
large corporations, and the group which most benefits from "entitlements" is
the wealthy of the US.
I also suggest that most of the wasted money in the US has been spent on
entitlements to the wealthy, namely bankers and large corporations, the poor
and the desperate have gotten little, so the socialism you so object to
seems to be precisely that which conservatives wanted done.
art clemons
> The DOW is over 10k again, Christmas retail sales were up 3.5%, job
> losses have greatly slowed, foreclosures have leveled off.
The technical recession may well be over, but the recovery phase looks to be
greatly extended. Lots of foreclosures aren't being carried out by mortgage
holders either because they can't get agreement for sale from all of the
note holders (remember lots of mortgages got sold in small bits as
"securities" and now said holders can't afford to take the immediate loss)
or the loss would be so extreme that it's cheaper to not foreclose.
> The recession started in December 2007, the job losses didn't take off
> for a year.
Actually job growth stopped slightly before the recession started, it's one
of the reasons that in 2008, lots of knowledgeable folk were stating that a
recession had already started. So far, I can't think of a recent time when
job growth slowed that a recession didn't follow, but that could be
correlation rather than causation.
> The consumer is going back to spending, unfortunately they aren't
> buying domestic goods.
There aren't that many domestic goods to buy sadly. The other real problem
is precisely because so many jobs that were lost will never return (consider
for example how likely an autoworker is to find a job paying as much) and
said workers will always earn less in the future, that purchasing power will
likely permanently decline for many.
I've often suggested that economies expand when the poorer folk have money
to spend and stagnate when only those better off have money to spend. We
don't know for example whether the retail uptick was from poorer folk
spending or those with more resources spending.