WHICH IS REAL GOD?
Bill M
Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
are fakes?
What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
and false claims?
If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
authenticity
from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
Here are over one thousand God beliefs;
Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Catholics
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism
Gods:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
boxedin
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> are fakes?
Most people believe the religion of their parents. It's the way they
were brought up. If a group of parents placed a block of wood on the
table and told their children that it was God and that because of it
they are enjoying the lifestyle that they do, the children would grow
up believing it and another religion would be born. Then we'd have even
another group: Atheism vs the Block of Wood.
At the same time, if these people were told that they were wrong and
the real God is this mysterious 3 in 1 Godhead who lives in the sky
and, if you don't do what he says, will send you to hell where you will
burn forever without end, they would probably laugh and say, "You've
got to be kidding! My block of wood makes a lot more sense than that.
And look, it's real too."
Conspiracy of Doves
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>
> are fakes?
>
>
>
> What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
>
> that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
>
> and false claims?
>
>
>
> If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
> authenticity
>
> from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
>
>
>
> Here are over one thousand God beliefs;
>
>
<snip extensive list>
In the Babylon 5 episode "The Parliament of Dreams" the station was
hosting a festival celebrating religious diversity and each alien race
had to give some kind of demonstration of their planet's major
religion. When it was the humans' turn at the end of the episode, the
Captain brought the ambassadors into a room where he introduced a man
and announced him to be a Roman Catholic. He then introduced the next
man and told the ambassadors that he was an Atheist. The next man was a
Zen Buddhist. The camera pulls back and we see that the the line
continues for dozens and dozens more people, and continues pulling past
them as it fades to black.
By the way, the creator of Babylon 5, J.M. Straczynski, is an atheist.
Surfer
wrote:
>
>Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>are fakes?
>
I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
that makes me a Pantheist.
There are different kinds of Pantheism. Eg.
The Universal Pantheist Society
http://www.pantheist.net/
The World Pantheist Movement
http://www.pantheism.net/
Some Christians have similar views. Eg
Does the Universe Care?
Brother William SSF
http://www.sof-in-australia.org/doestheu.htm
The Confluence of Religions
Teilhard de Chardin
http://theologytoday.ptsem.edu/apr1970/v27-1-article5.htm
Recovering Christian Pantheism as the Lost Gospel of Creation
http://www.christianecology.org/ConsiderLillies.html
A Christian Derivation of Pantheism
http://www.pantheist.net/society/fader.html
Christianity and Pantheism
http://www.pantheist.net/society/christianity_and_pan_fox.html
A Call for a New Reformation
John S. Spong
http://www.dioceseofnewark.org/jsspong/reform.html
A Theology of Joy: God in Process Thought
http://www.christianecology.org/TheologyJoy.html
jwshe...@satx.rr.com
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>
> are fakes?
>
they are all wrong. If you can't then,
we can find out which One is true.
Jim
Ps 34:8 - O taste and see that the LORD is good:
blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
Uncle Vic
made the light shine upon us with this:
>>
>>Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>are fakes?
>>
> I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
Most people are afraid of being alone in the universe. So they believe in
all sorts of nonsensical things out of a sheer need to beleve in something
- anything.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Proud member of Earthquack's "Ghost fulla holes" convict page
Uncle Vic
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
That's a lot of work. Let's just start with the one you think is true.
By the scripture I snipped, it seems to be the Abrahamic god, Yahweh.
Yahweh created the universe - he is all-powerful.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
- John 3:16
Yaweh is therefore both all-powerful and all-loving.
Would you agree there is evil in the world? Regardless of free will, an
all-powerful god could stop evil. And an all-loving god would want to.
Therefore, Yahweh, as defined in the bible (His word) does not exist.
Good enough for me.
Bill M
<jwshe...@satx.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1163193881.0...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Bill M wrote:
>> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
>
> Jim
Your logic is pathic. If you can't prove something does not exist it must
exist!?
I can't prove Santa Claus does not exist. Does that mean he is real???
ca...@optonline.net
>
>Bill M wrote:
>> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
>>
>> are fakes?
>>
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
Bullshit. There is zero reason to treat yours any differently than any
of the others.
Lucifer
jwshe...@satx.rr.com wrote:
> Bill M wrote:
> > Here is a challenge for God believers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >
> > are fakes?
> >
> You are the one who needs to prove
> they are all wrong. If you can't then,
> we can find out which One is true.
Then, by the exact same logic, you have to prove you don't ower me the
rights to your money, beer, and wife.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Ps 34:8 - O taste and see that the LORD is good:
> blessed is the man that trusteth in him.
>
>
> >
> >
> > What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
> >
> > that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
> >
> > and false claims?
> >
> >
> >
<long list snipped>
Lucifer
Midwinter wrote:
> Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>
> > I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
> >
> > Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
> > that makes me a Pantheist.
>
> rather similar to mine - and apparently mine doesn't qualify as a 'proper
> religion'. So I was told in a similar thread to this some months ago, in
> any case. Because to me (and I assume to you) the state of 'divinity' is
> something I perceive in and attribute to something that has a rock-solid,
> demonstrable existence, we seem to cause a little annoyance for some here.
>
> Bill here regularly posts this and similar demands, lumping together all
> the possible forms of religion he can think of, and demanding proof from
> all of them. He repeatedly posts his admittedly impressive list of gods
> and goddesses - then demands that 'He' 'smite' the others from 'His'
> 'Heaven'... I'm sure Aphrodite, for example, would be quite likely to
> reach down from 'his' 'Heaven' and do some smiting. It'd be perfectly
> consistent behaviour for a goddess of love, after all.
Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
--
Lucifer the Unsubtle, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and
General Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
>
> And despite numerous almost identical conversations going over the same
> ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what he's
> really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
PETER
You confess that you don't know which is the real God,given so many
false religion;and at the same time,you feel that the Christian belief
is wrong.
So you have eliminated one,then now go and eliminate another one till
you come to the one which you will find reasonable?
Uncle Vic
(midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
> "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
>> greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
>
> Well, possibly not, admittedly. But I maintain she'd draw the line at
> being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
>
That's true, but who needs to be convinced that Zeus doesn't exist?
Olrik
Uncle Vic wrote:
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Midwinter
> (midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
>
> > "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
> >> greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
> >
> > Well, possibly not, admittedly. But I maintain she'd draw the line at
> > being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> > Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
> >
>
> That's true, but who needs to be convinced that Zeus doesn't exist?
I've asked xians numerous times how they dispoved Zeus or Thor. I, of
course, never got an answer.
Olrik
Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
That would include me...
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> are fakes?
I don't.
Surprise?
For some readers it will be one I trust.
Of course my faith is polytheistic to begin with, so... ;)
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Lucifer
Midwinter wrote:
> "Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually, I doubt aphrodite would be above such actions - at least
> > greek mythology doesn't claim their gods are all good though.
>
> being referred to as 'he'. This is the problem: whatever god or goddess
> Bill seems to be challenging, he only seems to see the Christian one.
True...that is mostly who he is aiming at, the list is partly to attack
them for being far from unique, tbh, on a.a, we get so many trolls and
spammers coming over with opinions that are not wanted, sometimes
people like to take affirmative action in reply, and, as most of the
shit we get is from xians, most of the reply is directed at them.
ca...@optonline.net
<midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
>"Lucifer" <wyrd...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> True...that is mostly who he is aiming at, the list is partly to attack
>> them for being far from unique, tbh, on a.a, we get so many trolls and
>> spammers coming over with opinions that are not wanted, sometimes
>> people like to take affirmative action in reply, and, as most of the
>> shit we get is from xians, most of the reply is directed at them.
>
>Which would be quite valid, as far as I'm concerned. But the problem is
>that he makes no effort to clarify that his criticism is not directed at
>all the faiths he names - despite the fact that, as I said to Uncle Vic,
>some of those faiths bear very little resemblance to others.
Which is utterly irrelevant. At the only level winch counts in the
real world they are _all_ merely beliefs that nobody would give a toss
about is they weren't imposed where they are neither wanted nor
needed.
Including yours, no matter how seriously you take it. It is only
different/special/etc in the minds of its believers who invalidly try
to apply their inside-the-religion criteria outside it.
Uncle Vic
(midwi...@hotmail.co.uk) made the light shine upon us with this:
> Bill's angry about gods and religion, but every time he posts he
> reinforces my impression that what he thinks about when he says
> religion is Christianity.
I do sense some anger in his replies, in a knee-jerk sort of way.
Perhaps that is due to some insecurity on his part. I used to be the
same way, but I learned to walk away from the computer for a while if a
post enraged me, compose myself, and return to present a civil argument.
Christianity is indeed the religion we atheists attack most frequently,
mostly because of the proselytization factor, and the automatic
immorality they project on us simply because we don't believe in their
god(s).
> And yes, I have had this conversation
> before - along with the one where Bill's defenders (he tends to offer
> very few replies to responses to his posts) claim they're only
> attacking religion because members of the religious newsgroups
> crosspost into alt.atheism.
Bill is one of the few atheists posting here these days that starts
threads with the intent to enrage the Christians posting to the Christian
groups. Then he crossposts them to alt.atheism in order to start flame
wars. He is, by definition, a troll in this respect, although his
intention seems to be to make them think about their beliefs, which in
many cases causes people to lose their faith. And he enlists some of us
to help his cause.
I've dubbed him an "Evangelical Atheist", which is far from the attitude
of your mainstream unbeliever. Most of us don't care what others
believe, we only take action when the proselytizers jam their beliefs
into our faces. Bill is one of the few who, like Dawkins or Sam Harris,
are trying to get these accidentally modern humans to face reality in the
light of recent scientific discovery - mostly the discoveries that
fundamentalist Christians refuse to "believe" since they contradict their
religious beliefs.
>
> I note Bill's started yet *another* thread here crossposted into
> religion groups...
Oooo, thanks. I enjoy arguments, until they get nasty...
Richo
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
> Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> are fakes?
Why? Are you looking for something to worship?
If you are then I would steer well away from real gods - they tend to
be real sons-of-bitches* - the imaginary ones can be whateber you need
them to be and they dont ever let you down if you dont expect too much
from them.
Cheers, Mark.
* For example Caligula - real gods tend to be "mad, bad and dangerous
to know".
Richo
Surfer wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:03:40 -0500, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >are fakes?
> >
> I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
>
Thats an extremely bad reason to believe nature is God.
In my humble opinion of course.
Dust motes manage the trivial feat of existence - that dosent seem a
very good reason to belive in the divinity of dust motes.
I think deification of anything is universally a bad idea - but if you
insist in believing in a god I would say the very best are the ones
that DO NOT actually exist.
They can't actually let you down - you can merely have over ambitious
expectations of them.
Cheers, Mark.
Bill M
"Midwinter" <midwi...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns9877F17AE2E2...@216.196.109.145...
> Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:
>
>> I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
>>
>> Since Nature is everywhere (I include human beings as part of Nature)
>> that makes me a Pantheist.
>
> rather similar to mine - and apparently mine doesn't qualify as a 'proper
> religion'. So I was told in a similar thread to this some months ago, in
> any case. Because to me (and I assume to you) the state of 'divinity' is
> something I perceive in and attribute to something that has a rock-solid,
> demonstrable existence, we seem to cause a little annoyance for some here.
>
> Bill here regularly posts this and similar demands, lumping together all
> the possible forms of religion he can think of, and demanding proof from
> all of them. He repeatedly posts his admittedly impressive list of gods
> and goddesses - then demands that 'He' 'smite' the others from 'His'
> 'Heaven'... I'm sure Aphrodite, for example, would be quite likely to
> reach down from 'his' 'Heaven' and do some smiting. It'd be perfectly
> consistent behaviour for a goddess of love, after all.
>
> ground, it simply doesn't seem to get through to Bill that what he's
> really demanding is proof of the Christian God.
Still weaving and dodging trying to avoid the issue. What is you objective
verifiable
evidence that your god or any other god actually exists. Your babble is not
evidence.
mwph...@gmail.com
Bill M wrote:
> Here is a challenge for God believers.
>
>
>
>
> are fakes?
Everybody uses faith at some time or another. I've decided to use it
here.
>
> What objective verifiable evidence do you have that proves or substantiates
>
> that your God is a REAL God and not just a product of peoples imaginations
>
> and false claims?
None.
>
> If there is a REAL God, why does he not directly substantiate his
> authenticity
>
> from his Heaven and smite all the false Gods?
Beats me.
<snip list of a bunch o' gods, etc.>
mwph...@gmail.com
Uncle Vic wrote:
> Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Surfer (sur...@no.spam.net)
> made the light shine upon us with this:
>
> >>
> >>Why do you believe that YOUR God is the real one and all the others
> >>are fakes?
> >>
> > I believe Nature is God because Nature exists.
>
> Most people are afraid of being alone in the universe. So they believe in
> all sorts of nonsensical things out of a sheer need to beleve in something
> - anything.
That's an interesting point. Another existential observation is "Will
to Meaning", which often manifests itself in seeing patterns and
designs where neither exist.
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> Including yours, no matter how seriously you take it. It is only
>> different/special/etc in the minds of its believers who invalidly try
>> to apply their inside-the-religion criteria outside it.
>
>Interesting comments.
>
>In order to support your point, I'd like you to tell me about my religion,
>then explain to me why it's essentially the same as Christianity (that
>bit's important), and why you believe it's harmful to me and to others.
I don't give a shit which one it is.
Are you really so stupid you imagine that whichever deity it is, has
any relevence to anybody apart from its believers?
>Go ahead.
Idiot.
ca...@optonline.net
wrote:
>ca...@optonline.net wrote:
>
>> I don't give a shit which one it is.
>
>More specifically, you don't *know*. Because you haven't bothered to ask.
No, liar, I don't care.
>Because you prefer to bundle everyone who doesn't see things from your
>point of view together and treat them all with equal contempt. Right?
No, liar - with equal irrelkevance, because they're all merely
somebidy else's irrelebvant belief.
>> Are you really so stupid you imagine that whichever deity it is, has
>> any relevence to anybody apart from its believers?
>
>No. And I've not said otherwise. Which is precisely my point.
Then you were deliberately misunderstanding Bill.
>
>>>Go ahead.
>>
>> Idiot.
Then don't be one.
>When you have a grown-up argument to make, feel free to come back to me.
When you have a shred of honesty, arrogant pillock. But I won't hold
my breath,
Richo
Midjis wrote:
> "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > Still weaving and dodging trying to avoid the issue. What is you
> > objective verifiable evidence that your god or any other god actually
> > exists.
>
> You repeatedly demand proof of this single, male creator God who lives
> in 'Heaven', and who you think should 'smite' all the other gods, or
> those who worship them. And for some reason you seem to believe that
> the absence of such smitery proves the non-existence of ALL the gods
> you've identified, and the falsehood of ALL the religions you've
> offered.
>
Bill has a very limited conception of Divinity - he is absolutely
obsessed with the particular God that he is an atheist towards.
In other words you have hime pegged.
8-)
> You know - because I've told you before - that I can 'prove' my 'gods'
> simply by pointing out of the window (that I perceive divinity in Nature
> is why I've been told my religion "doesn't count" as religion -
> presumably because such denial gets militant atheists off the hook
> you're on right now). But you're careful to demand 'objective' proof -
> presumably knowing that none can be forthcoming. It's a popular demand
> - but religion isn't an objective matter. It's a matter of opinion and
> perception. And the aforementioned militant atheists usually love it
> when I say that, because it means they can wind up and go full steam
> into a derisive tirade about how opinions and perception aren't science.
> Well, as I usually say, nor is love. We can't measure that. We can't
> perform repeatable, controlled experiments on love. It can't be
> objectively, empirically analysed. That's why it's so damn complicated.
> Can you objectively prove to me that you love your wife, or your
> girlfriend or partner or kids? More interestingly, can you prove to me
> *objectively* that s/he or they love(s) you, or measure empirically how
> much? Rhetorical questions. Of course you can't. But that doesn't
> mean that you don't both love each other very much, does it? It's not
> something I'd ever want to test because it's not something I'd ever
> *need* to test. It's not my business. It's between you and the object
> of your affection.
>
Very well said.
I am increasingly reluctant about calling myself "atheist" these days
because of people like Bill and others like him that I do not want to
associate myself with.
I now prefer the term godless.
I dont really care about the *existence* of gods - one way or another.
> I usually mention the appreciation of art, too, and music - again,
> things that are real, to the individual, but which have no objective
> reality. They depend entirely on the perceptions of the individual. So
> it is with religion. That's why it's wrong for religionists to try to
> impose their views on others. That's why it's wrong for you to be doing
> the same thing - especially when you're trying to do so by appealing to
> characteristics that religions don't all share.
Well said, again!
Mark.