Terry Reed: Covert Operator
Larry-Jennie
Terry Reed: Covert Operator
By David Fallis
IN THESE TIMES
Feb. 6-12, 1991
It was a tense fall day in 1987 in Mexico when
CIA operative Terry Reed decided honor had be-
come criminal. After some 15 years of intelligence
work, he was drawing the line: he wanted out of the
Mexico branch of the contra arms network. Things
were getting dirty, and that wasn't part of the deal.
Reed's moral stance troubled his agency
contacts. He knew too much. Something had to be
done. Therefore, Reed's long-"stolen" Piper plane--
actually borrowed five years back by the contra
support network - would be "discovered" in a Little
Rock hangar rented in Reed's name. Returning to
Arkansas, Reed and his wile Janis would receive an
official welcome: federal indictments for four
counts of insurance fraud.
Patriotic payback: Reed left the Air Force in
1976 with top security clearance, proud of what he
had accomplished on his two "enjoyable" tours in
Thailand. Flying the CIA's pet-jets, Air America.
Reed had cut his teeth on covert operations.
Intelligence work was intriguing, something more than
the average GI could offer his country.
So, naturally, Reed was honored when in 1980 he
received a phone call from intelligence contacts
fostered in Thailand. They were pitching him an
intelligence offer, guaranteed to boost his Oklahoma
City machine-tool business. Reed needed only to
help the agency monitor Oklahoma for trade-secret
leaks to Communist bloc industries. Reed recalls
their venture this way: "You're in the position to
make a little money because we're in a position to
kick a lot of business your way." Giving the nod,
Reed restored himself to the agency's fold.
Business mushroomed as promised, and in 1983,
in a small, dark Oklahoma City restaurant, Reed
met with a new agency contact. The man, who
flashed CIA identification, was well-versed in
complex operative dynamics. The Boland Amendment
had just been passed, restricting aid to the contras,
said the agent. He then patiently detailed to Reed
alternative channels of support, including a new
covert contra operation tagged he "Project
Donation." The man explained how private, patriotic
citizens could donate certain items to the Nicaraguan
anti-communist effort and would later be
reimbursed for their gifts.
"Loss brokering" was how the agent described it.
If people wanted to consider "donated" items "lost,"
certain insurance companies could be made aware
that a claim was going to be filed. Over the next
two years, Reed's involvement with his new contact
deepened. In time, he would come to know this
man as Lt. Col. Oliver North of the National Security
Council.
Soon thereafter, Reed says, he was flying to a
Florida airshow when engine trouble forced him to
land his Piper airplane in Joplin, Mo., for emergency
repairs. About a month later, Reed says, he
received a phone call from Mizzou Aviation, where
he'd left the plane: the Piper, along with his flight
bag and log books, was missing. Explains Reed,
"The company ... pushed the plane outside for
storage and put the log books in the plane and didn't
lock the aircraft."
Reed. a part-time flight instructor, was out a
business necessity. He reported the theft and filed a
$33,00() insurance claim on the Piper, on which he
still owed $26,500. In terms of cash gained, it was a
comparatively trivial $6,500.
Two years passed without word of the plane. But
in late 1985. Reed says, he got a bizarre phone call
from an old Air America buddy, William Cooper.
who was then flying questionable Southern Air
Transport payloads to Nicaragua. Reed at this time
was living in Little Rock, Ark., and, like Cooper, was
quite active under the CIA's aegis. "There was a lot
of contra stuff going on in Arkansas," says Reed. "It
was the hub." (The Ozark airfield at Mena, Ark., 82
miles due south of Ft. Smith, was known as a stop-
over for Southern Air's C-123 cargo planes in the
contra resupply operation.)
Cooper was phoning to tell Reed his stolen Piper
had actually been taken for North's Project
Donation, and that he would be returning it to him soon.
According to Reed, Cooper instructed him to rent a
hangar and to store the plane until things had
cooled off. Shortly after, Oliver North called,
echoing Cooper's advice.
Mexico bound: Reed's deft handling of
intelligence matters and the basic fact that he played it
like a hobby made him valuable to the agency. In
mid-1986, the CIA advised Reed that if he wanted to
expand his machine-tool operations from Little
Rock to Mexico, he would have the financial
blessings of U.S. intelligence. In turn, he would work
with the contra support network, specifically, set-
ting up a Mexican arms-export company for North.
Reed and his family had been in Guadalajara only
a few months when, on October 5, Cooper was shot
down over Nicaragua on an illicit C-123 arms run.
The crash killed pilots Cooper and Wallace Sawyer,
while cargo-kicker Eugene Hasenfus parachuted
safely into the Sandinistas' waiting arms. Crash
publicity disabled the Mexican intelligence network
and at home forced a discussion of America covert
policy.
The planned Mexican arms connection crumbled
and after almost a year of floundering Reed told
the agency he wanted out. "Stuff our government
was doing--they were criminal acts. Things you
and I would go to jail for in a New York second"
says Reed.
Agents tried to convince him otherwise. The boys
at the "company" grew panicky: Reed's timing and
his extensive knowledge of southern covert
operations were threatening. "From square one you are a
liability to the agency. There's no getting away"
says Reed.
As Reed Janis and their two kids packed an in-
visible hand guided private investigator Tommy
Baker and Buddy Young (who managed security for
Democratic Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton) to a certain
missing Piper Arrow airplane. It was five years
since the plane's "theft" and the statute of
limitations for federal fraud was to expire in three days.
In Reed's opinion angry agents in Mexico filtered
a tip on the plane's whereabouts through the Drug
Enforcement Agency then back to Young so that
the CIA could remain invisible. Within a month the
former conservative Little Rock businessman had
become as his FBI file indicates "armed and
dangerous" "hiding out in Mexico" and "may be
involved in running drugs."
If you cooperate as a civilian you're an asset to
the agency. But once you gain enough knowledge--
they have factored enough stuff into the equation--
it can pull the plug and sever ties with you " says
Reed. "You are the deniable link."
Lapse of treason: In late October 1987 the
Reeds surrendered to the U.S. marshal's office in
Kansas but only to expose the frameup for what it
as. Reed had learned of their "wanted" status from
Janis Reed's parents who he says were in shock
from a good cop/bad cop routine FBI agents played
out at their Carthage Mo. home. A furious Reed
patiently explained in a court deposition how the
plane's theft and sudden appearance was a CIA
attempt to skewer him for resigning as an operative.
His statements perplexed Wichita U.S. Attorney
Robin Fowler who knew covert operations only as
the stuff of spy novels. Fowler at the time said: "I'm
sure we'll be working with Washington on this."
On orders from Washington the Classified
Information Procedures Act was invoked and one court
date after another was postponed. On May 29 1990
the Justice Department called for and got a gag
order. Reed's 54-name witness list was an Iran-contra
who's who. Reed refused to retract claims of
meetings with North and Cooper and his involvement
with Southern Air Transport. More problematic was
Reed's contact with superpatriot Felix Rodriguez
the zealous anti-Castro veteran who was overseeing
the contra air-support operation in El Salvador.
(Rodriguez' regular briefings with then-Vice President
George Bush's Assistant for National Security
Affairs Donald Gregg and intermittent meetings with
Bush have all but eroded the current president's
claims of being outside the Contragate loop.)
After the indictments, Reed and his wife quickly
went bankrupt, spending $175,000 on ineffectual
lawyers. Resorting finally to the federal public
defenders' office in Topeka, Kan., a broke Reed was
matched with attorney Marilyn Trubey and her
chief investigator, Joe Dunlap--a pair more
experienced in cattle rustling and embezzlement than CIA
disinformation campaigns.
Trubey was initially skeptical of Reed's story, but
her opinion changed as each advance on Reed's be-
half was stonewalled with increasingly stronger
federal resistance. Reed's claims began to check out,
and the workings of an agency frameup grew
transparent. She and Dunlap were stripped of any
remaining doubts about Reed's story when they
experienced firsthand hand acts of apparent
intimidation:
A firebombing: last Memorial Day, on the eve of
trial, Dunlap's car was torched as it sat in his
Wichita driveway on a quiet residential sidestreet.
Evidence theft: the Reeds' secret storage unit
was broken into and file boxes of financial records
dating back to the plane's disappearance were
selectively rifled and taken.
Intimidation: counsel and client regularly en-
countered surveillance cars outside their homes as
they drove to and from work. All suspected heavy
monitoring of day-to-day communications.
Confrontation: Dunlap's wife's car was rammed
in a hit-and-run accident that appeared to witnesses
to have been deliberate
In court, Reed planned to attack the sundry
Fourth Amendment violations surrounding the
plane's official "rediscovery."
Reed could expect U.S. Attorney Fowler to argue
that he had knowledgeable possession of the plane
for the duration of its five-year absence. But Reed
could chisel away at the U.S. attorney's case. For
example, although the hangar where the plane had
turned up was rented in his name, Reed's signature
was not on the lease. Further, Reed could force a
courtroom discussion of the two-year gap between
North's taking the plane and Cooper's return of it.
Better-forgotten contraland channels and activities
would then be dredged up for public discussion. As
Reed says, "Let's put it this way: the government
knows what my plane was being used for." Indeed,
an insurance adjuster's photograph, taken when the
plane was initially "rediscovered" by authorities in
the Little Rock hangar, shows a military-flight head-
set hanging in the cockpit.
In contraland: To the administration's advantage,
Reed s case was launched in a virtual media
vacuum. It attracted almost no national interest,
with one exception: a keen and strangely abrupt
inquiry in Washington, D.C., by those overseeing the
Iran-contra proceedings.
Two months prior to the 1988 presidential election,
Reed was flown to Washington, where he met
for two days with Jack Blum, chief investigator
under Sen. John Kerry's (D-MA) subcommittee for
contra inquiries. According to Reed, Blum showed
considerable interest in Reed's extensive cognizance
of the who, what and why of the U.S. side of
contraland.
Blum told him, says Reed, that this firsthand
knowledge "was going to expose some of these
people we've been wanting to expose." Reed
returned to his new home in New Mexico with
assurances of further support and. as directed, sent the
necessary documentation to Washington. Given the
fact that Kerry's contra drug hearings set the pace
for a lackluster Iran-contra investigation--continually
stopping short of the CIA's role--it was no surprise
that Reed's callback never came.
But for the Reeds, the worst thing was the waiting.
Janis Reed's case was suddenly dropped after
two years of delays. Government intentions to
follow through against Reed grew questionable as the
prosecution's robotically persistent claim that "this
is just a case of simple mail fraud" was becoming
Orwellian in nature.
On November 9, Reed once again made the trip
to Wichita federal district court to face Judge Frank
Theis. After 15 minutes of deliberation, Theis
dismissed all charges, sending Reed home that
November day as if nothing had ever happened.
"What I was involved with was embarrassing,"
Reed says. "It's sort of like you're this thing they
drag in and out of their life when they want to.
They browbeat you, call you some names, finger-
print you and threaten you. You're basically a
convict--and you haven't been tried."
Reed is currently talking to lawyers about filing
suit against the U.S. government.
David Fallis is a Tulsa, Okla.-based writer.
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Larry-Jennie wrote:
>
> Terry Reed: Covert Operator
> By David Fallis
> IN THESE TIMES
> Feb. 6-12, 1991
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> It was a tense fall day in 1987 in
Put Terry Reed under oath.
Larry-Jennie
With guest TERRY REED - Author of COMPROMISED: CLINTON, BUSH & THE CIA.
RAY BRIEM *KIEV radio, 870AM, Glendale, CA*
02/26/97 Ray Briem
R: Ray Briem
T: Terry Reed
R: I see what's going on in the WH and I have that 'sick' feeling.
T: I guess we better start studying Chinese.
R: I can't believe it.. It smacks... people are starting to write about
it
now using the word ESPIONAGE.
T: I think that's a very appropriate term to use. I've been using it for
quite some time about BC. I think it's the most dangerous... and I'm
not joking now... I think this is the most serious BREECH of National
Security interest. I think it ties DIRECTLY into our UPSIDE DOWN
TRADE POLICY. The papers just showed a few weeks ago that the
country just posted a HUGE, HUGE DEFICIT. An imbalance of trade
and CHINA was coming up and joining the ranks of Japan and now
we KNOW WHY. They've PURCHASED themselves a
GOVERNMENT or at least a BRANCH of the govt.
R: The question is, was Johnny HUANG, was he a SPY??
T: Ray, you mentioned my book, something I think that was
OVERLOOKED in it was about having MEETINGS on many, many
occasions at a place called FU LINS RESTAURANT in Little Rock
within spitting distance of the Capital Bldg.
R: Is that CHARLIE TRIE's restaurant?
T: Yeah! That Charlie's restaurant! And the reason we were having
these meetings was for MONEY LAUNDERING discussions that
took place between, primarily BERRY SEAL, the CIA guy who was
running the Ark. operation and a meeting with BOB NASH who was
at that time BC's Chief Economic Aide running ADFA (Ark.
Development Finance Authority) and this is a connection that NO
ONE is talking about, so I thought we'd discuss that on your
program.
There's such a strong, strong ASIAN presence now in this
obviously BACKDOORING POLICY and probably BACKDOORING
our SOVEREIGNTY.
R: Maybe! Now that the MAINSTREAM PRESS has discovered
this, maybe there's light at the end of the tunnel after all!
T: I think this is elevating - this definitely one more notch above
defrauding a S&L - in fact this is probably when they QUIT
defrauding the S&L, you know, they discovered there was another
CASH COW TO MILK for the purpose of keeping campaign coffers
full and who knows what else.
R: What have you been doing for yourself?
T: We've been very, very busy ever since my lawsuit was
undermined by the Federal Judge, George Howard, in LR (FOB), my
lawyer, Bob Maloney from NY and I have been taking our material,
our EVIDENCE, and assisting in any way we can in terms of
funneling evidence to various CONGRESSIONAL groups and
bodies. We've quite successful in bending some ears. I'm very proud
of our accomplishments. In fact I'm learning now that I can be much
more effective as NOT being POINT MAN in the MENA story...
what's often overlooked is we had for almost 2 years, we used that
subpoena power in 8 different Federal districts. We turned up some
significant evidence to prove our case. And for THOSE out there
who think that they just undermined us or sabotaged us on the
steps of the court house... we've got NEW NEWS for them.
R: In fact in one of your depositions you got that L.D. BROWN
statement that's now famous.
T: True. The statement was Brown's conversation w/BC after
witnessing cocaine being brought into Mena and when Brown said
something to BC, BC said, "That's DAN LASATER's DEAL. And
your buddy BUSH has had a hand in it too."
R: That gives a little CREDENCE to your book, doesn't it?
T: Sure does! I think before it's all over, and I don't mean to take
credit for anything, but I was the FIRST to really CHRONICLE the
true relationship between our INTELLIGENCE community and
COVERT operations RUN A-MUCK in the DEMOCRATS &
REPUBLICANS. I think slowly but surely a lot of what I talked about
that was perceived as cock-a-mamie back when I wrote the book is
BEING PROVED RIGHT NOW.
R: I just got info that you're appearing at a PREPAREDNESS EXPO.
Being held at the Del Mar Fairgrounds in San Diego (Del Mar)
February 28th, March 1st & 2nd.
T: Friday night we're having a panel discussion, talking questions
from the audience and talking about govt. corruption. I think it's a
very appropriate topic.
R: BO GRITZ is going to be there too.
T: There's a whole list of very dignified speakers. [Joyce Riley (Gulf
War Illness), Col. Bo Gritz, Terry Cook, Jack McLamb, Dr. Nick
Begich etc.] I'll be speaking twice, once on Saturday about the
DRUG issue & the ever expanding evidence that the CIA certainly
was at Mena... they've been forced to admit that now in
Congressional reports. Then on Sunday I get to talk about my new
HOT BUTTON, NAFTA. It's more apparent now that there's a
DIRECT CONNECTION between our TRADE policies and our
corrupt WH. I think there's a direct tie into America's social & moral
DECAY and where our JOBS are going. You in California have
certainly had a taste of trying to pass laws and having Judges
OVERTURN referendums.
R: Many people feel that we're under attack.
T: We are!! In fact I titled my video tape - AMERICA UNDER SIEGE.
People felt that I'd really OVERSTATED the case back when I did the
video, but if this ISN'T a war, I don't know what is.
Caller: There's a saying amongst thieves: "NEVER COP TO
NOTHIN'." These criminals have got that written in gold. They never
cop to nothin'! Terry, I flew into Mena. They used to have one of the
best paint shops around (mid-1970's). Was there anything going on
there at that time?
T: That was before my time, but there was an individual who I can't
recall his name, but he lived in Mena and was very prominent in the
aviation community. He owned a lot of LAND in NICARAGUA,
which the local people have always found fascinating now that
there's concrete evidence that there was a lot of CONTRA support
coming out of Mena, and why would that area be chosen for that.
That person died in an airplane crash around 1979.
Caller: Are you breathing a sigh of relief that all this is finally
coming
out?
T: Well no, not really. As I said, my lawyer & I have been assisting
various agencies and I think we've made some people even MORE
NERVOUS than before. Now that I'm not a lightening rod for
personal attacks, our material is finding it's way to various
investigative groups whose names I'm not free to mention. That has
some people worried to the point where I am EXISTING right now
under a NEW DEATH THREAT, but I think these people for the
most part are COWARDS. It's far beyond silencing me now, with my
lawyer involved and most of the evidence having been released, it's
got a LIFE OF ITS OWN.
R: What about MENA - no hearings, I'm sure - but are we going to
get a REPORT from LEACH and his banking committee?
T: There has been a CLASSIFIED report RELEASED. We were
working with 2 of Leach's investigators, but the classified report
we're being told we CAN'T SEE. We don't have a HIGH enough
SECURITY CLEARANCE. But the DE-CLASSIFIED version already
partially disseminated, is the report where the CIA does admit
having been at Mena. I think that was a major accomplishment. The
CIA in the past would NEVER admit. They'd take the position of
either LIE, DENY or CLASSIFY TOP SECRET was their policy.
R: What about the SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS report?
T: That's taken on another life of it's own too. The Afro-American
community has massed together and I think accomplished more in
terms of forcing Congressional hearings than anyone in the past has
done. We've been in touch with JESSE JACKSON & several other
people who are pushing FOR - you've probably seen the Black
Caucus... We're being told that as soon as the 105th Congress gets
settled down and a new Senate Intelligence Committee gets selected
that there will be NEW and continued hearings. We've already
passed along a list of people that we think are the ones who should
be subpoenaed; NOT some of the LIGHTWEIGHT'S that you saw
appearing the last time, but actual 'players' out of the COSTA
RICAN area especially.
R: Terry, when we come back I want to talk to you about SCOTT
WHEELER.
I talked with Scott Wheeler about 6 weeks ago and he was
bad-mouthing Terry Reed, do you remember that? I'm going to see
what the story is because there seems to be bad blood there for
some reason and I don't know why.
[break]
R: Scott bad-mouthed you, what's going on here?
T: First of all there's no bad blood coming from my side of the story
relevant to Scott Wheeler. All I know is that the moment SW got his
JOB in Washington with ACCURACY IN MEDIA, he became their
'rabid bulldog' to run out there and try to SEPARATE the
REPUBLICAN party and the CIA and OLIVER NORTH -- OUT of the
MENA story.
R: He alleged that you had been PAID OFF.
T: Yeah, I sure wish I knew where that money was! In fact there is
PENDING LITIGATION AGAINST Scott Wheeler and some of his
comments he made on....
R: Oh really?
T: Oh yeah. He really UPSET my lawyer. You can imagine, well
actually 3 lawyers who controlled an ESCROW account to be sure
that there was no monitory hanky-panky or that we could ever be
accused of misappropriation of funds, and when Scott was running
around the country saying that I had diverted money from collecting
money in the law suit down in Little Rock and paying off a liable
case, that's just NOT TRUE. The documents & the court settlement
reflect that.
R: I believe that he also alleged that you were paid to DROP the suit.
T: Yeah, I don't know where the guy was coming from. He has NO
FACTS to support what he's saying and I just wish that people like
yourself, that when he says things like this, would ask him for some
DOCUMENTATION to support what he is saying because there is
NONE.
He went on a TV program back east with a network called NET and
said basically the same thing. That caused my lawyers to become
really concerned because he was putting them in a position of being
people who couldn't manage an escrow account. We certainly did
raise over the course of 2 years - of course, I sold my book and put
the money that I made from the book and my tape THE MENA
CONNECTION into the escrow account and we still have legal debt
that we haven't paid off. So, Scott's allegations are just false and
it's
SAD that an organization like Accuracy In Media has lowered
themselves to employing people like Scott Wheeler.
Caller (Hal): On that question you had about - Give us one example
of what Clinton has done for this country. - Well, one thing that
everybody will agree on... these are exciting times. Everybody is
awakened, interested in what's going on, they'll never forget it and I
think we owe BC a hand of congratulations for at least doing one
thing. And as evidence of his good will... you know his cocaine was
caused because, "He feels our pain." [laughter]
R: Yeah, he bites his lip, we know that.
T: Let me add one to that, Ray. It's often overlooked that BC was
actually assisting with the CLONING research long before this sheep
incident.... I believe it was he who was running around depositing
his GENES [jeans] to a lot of donors there in Arkansas, which I'm
sure was all clone research. [laughter all around]
Caller (Kirt): How specifically was the agency forced to admit they
had a base at Mena? Was it in written form and did they discuss the
purpose?
T: It's in the declassified version. They discussed TRAINING there,
which really SUPPORTS MY STORY, with an UNNAMED FEDERAL
AGENCY which is the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. I've been
told that that is the wording that's in the CLASSIFIED report. And
back to SCOTT WHEELER, back when he was saying that there was
NO CIA INVOLVEMENT... that was BEFORE the release of that
report. So his VIDEO TAPE that he did with PAT MATRICIANO
[Citizens For Honest Govt.] in Calif. certainly puts him in an
interesting light of taking a strong stand... I'm sure they NEVER
thought the CIA would EVER ADMIT having been there.
Kirt: They said that in their video?
T: Yeah, they do a very effective job of convincing you that this was
JUST Bill Clinton's involvement with ORGANIZED CRIME and the
MEDELLIN CARTEL. That the cocaine being brought in was being
brought in for the purpose of just BC & his buddies profiting and
that there was NO George Bush, especially, & NO Republican
involvement.
Kirt: That's obviously their agenda. I met Pat Matriciano at the
George Putnam & Chris Ruddy get-together in LAX. Every time I
looked at Matriciano, I'm thinking to myself... who do you really
work for??
T: It PAINS people to accept that there are NO GOOD GUYS in this
story. Oliver North is a champion of the religious movement and he's
a false hero. He's not the kind of person that people should be
hedging their bets on...
Kirt: You can see it he gets upset in debates.
T: He gets VERY UPSET over my book. He will not allow callers on
his program if they're going to discuss COMPROMISED and the
conversations that I had with North.
I met this guy back in 1982 and he was certainly NO SAINT at that
time. But this is just an effort to find some hero's for the story and
lay all the blame on BC. I'm SORRY, I'm an OBSTACLE to that
happening that way.
Caller: You failed to prove the 85% of your civil suit that was thrown
out in Ark.? [I'm going to shorten this because I'm tired. The answer
by Terry is the point. Shadow]
T: The Judge stated in the order that we probably COULD PROVE
OUR CASE, but the EVIDENCE that we were bringing in was going
to INFLAME THE JURY and cause a CONFUSION OF ISSUES,
which he did NOT explain. Federal Judges don't really have to
explain themselves especially when they're running COVER for the
Democratic establishment...
Caller: I see, he's part of the conspiracy then.
T: There's NO CONSPIRACY. A conspiracy is a plan among 2 or
more people. When a Federal Judge, and sir, I've had 8 other retired
Federal judges look at that judge's ruling and it is WRONG, UNFAIR
and he does not belong on the bench.
Caller: Have you appealed it?
T: You cannot appeal a 'discovery dispute'. This was cleverly done
in such a manner as to force us to go into the court room with about
20% of our case. Do you think it was fair that I was not allowed to
mention that I'd served in the U.S. AIR FORCE?
Caller: I think if you didn't have the proper documentation and if that
wasn't part of your civil complaint, yes.
T: That was part of the civil complaint. It's very accurately stated in
the 34 page complaint that was the CORE of the lawsuit all along.
The judge went so far as to THROW OUT references to people that
we HADN'T EVEN NAMED in the suit. Now, what does that tell
you???
Caller: That he's either heard you on a talk radio show or he ever
read your book.
T: [chuckle] If that's so, he should have RECUSED HIMSELF from
the case.
R: Or would it be that he's a FOB, appointed by..... We're going to
give you a FREE book so hold on... gee, he [caller] even said he'd
READ it.
T: ... until his lips get tired.
R: [chuckles]
Caller (Ed): I got the court order and read it. That last caller is the
kind that says, 'don't confuse me with the facts.' Without question,
this Judge Howard is a BC supporter and he'll do everything
possible - that's one thing you had in your favor - an honest jury
and I think they didn't count on that.
T: Judge ARNOLD over in the 10th Circuit District stated that he
would do ANYTHING in his power to PROTECT HILLARY, who
was one of his pet students in law school.
R: Not only that, but in the 1994 Congressional elections, he was in
the WH watching the returns.
[laughter]
T: The NON SEPARATION of the JUDICIAL branch from the
EXECUTIVE is what we'll be discussing at the Preparedness Expo in
San Diego this weekend.
Ed: When I heard today that the guy named CAPLAND was one of
those that was in the LINCOLN BEDROOM, he's the one who ran or
was the PRODUCER of the PETER JENNINGS show when they
showed the pictures of the FOSTER GUN and Foster's body.
Capland was the former PUBLIC RELATIONS coordinator for the BC
campaign.
T: Like I was saying in the first part of the program, we've decided
we'd be more effective in other areas and by letting the evidence get
out through different channels where it can't all be CONTAINED.
The Judge's intent was to ridicule us at that time.
Caller: I wondered if the CIA had admitted - from the period of 1981
thru 1988 they did NOT report to Bill Casey and Reagan, but in fact
reported to the GOVERNOR of Arkansas?
T: The shear admission of backdoor linkage in the IRAN/CONTRA
hearings from the National Security Counsel to the CIA, which is
NOT supposed to exist, that piece of linkage and into the whole
COVERT army that North had established thru retired GEN. SECORD
... I don't know how we could prove that they just reported to BC.
Caller: Of course! He was the Gov. and they were flying into the
airport! Obviously BC was responsible for everything the CIA did
while R. Reagan was Pres.
T: No, no. In my book I talked about a meeting where BC was
present in 1986 and there was a person from Washington who was
there to represent the CIA. I didn't get the impression that BC was in
charge during that meeting.
Caller: Do you mean that BC was not running the CIA when Reagan
was Pres.?
T: Are you trying to make fun of this statement or this whole premise
here or what?
R: He just wants to make his own statement.
Caller: I think you have made a career among other people in praying
off the hatred people in this country have of BC. The buck stopped
on Reagan's desk.
T: Obviously you have no conception of the time-line of my story.
Caller: I got your book from the library.
T: Oh you did? So, when was I indicted?
Caller: Oh, don't give me this ...
T: Well, let's talk about the facts.
Caller: uh ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ah I don't...I, I...
T: The facts are that I was INDICTED in 1988.
Caller: uh-uh, you're asking me for some -- esoteric information from
a 5, 5, 500+ page book. The reality is that you won't admit that
Reagan was Pres. from 1981 to 1988.
T: Sure I'll admit that! Nowhere in the book do I try to hide the fact
that this was a CIA/Republican operation run a muck.
Caller: Then why isn't the title - Reagan, Bush & the CIA?
T: ...and Bush compromised Clinton... that's the premise of the title.
Caller: Then why is Clinton in there??
T: [chuckle] You've got to ask why BC allowed the CIA to come in
there and set up operations in his state.
Caller: HE ALLOWED! Then why the Gov. Dukmajian [sp?, before
my time. Shadow] allow the tons & tons of drugs that have come
into the state of Calif.?
R: Well, you've taken a very patrician viewpoint of the thing and
you've made your statement sir, thank you and good bye. New
Caller: Why isn't there more 'togetherness' in the information
sharing?
T: There's a lot of 'in-fighting' right now, but a lot of this is STAGED
by certain factions of people trying to PROTECT other people.
When I wrote my book I tried not to draw political boundaries. I just
let the material flow and it came out in Fed. court in Wichita, Kansas
anyway, LONG before BC was Pres. That's why I was saying to this
other man to draw a time-line and he'd see it. I was not trying to
undermine the BC presidency because this was info that came out in
1988, long before BC had even announced his candidacy.
Caller (Bob): Think back to when you worked with the FBI with
TOSHIBA. Does the name ROBERT GETSMAN mean anything?
T: No
Bob: Are you familiar with DEBORAH VON TRAPP?
T: Yes, I know who she is.
Bob: She's released some info. about when she was working on that
and Robert Getsman was an agent. She claims to have info regarding
the people with the NSC who worked together.
T: My FBI involvement was strictly related to the OKLAHOMA
CITY FBI office through the now sitting Senator NICHOLS. That's
why Nichols' family had purchased a Toshiba machine tool. That
machine was actually used to track the flow of TECHNOLOGY from
Japan to the US and on to Scandinavia & Finland.
Bob: The basement of the bank with the pig on top that was close to
the Murrah bldg....
T: It wasn't that close, but go ahead. It was about a mile away.
Bob: It seemed similar to the scene described by people that is was a
'staging' area that the FBI had used after the Murrah bldg bombing.
Next Caller: Do you have any contact with LARRY NICHOLS?
T: I just talked to him this week.
NC: Do you have a current address?
T: P.O. Box 12555, North Kansas City, MO. 64116
NC: I sent something to Larry about the Treasury Dept. Thought
you'd like to see.
R: One last call.
Caller: We know that when you have covert operations that
everybody isn't going to be a good boy. I think that what was done
in Mena was done by guys who 'went off the wire'. I think that BC
was implicated in this because he is a 'coke-head', so people who are
trying to discredit you and others - it's totally ridiculous.
Is there any chance of your re-filing your suit?
T: There's other options. I can't refile the case structured around
suing RAYMOND BUDDY YOUNG, BC's former Chief of Security,
as we have sued in the past. That's why we thought we had a very
focused lawsuit that didn't paint a broad-brush conspiracy.
Our option now is to go off and do a CONSPIRACY LAWSUIT.
Caller: What chance do you have with Judge's like there are?
T: Again, we were unfortunate in that we were not well funded. We
had to pick a venue that would keep us close to our witness base.
Civil court is totally different than criminal. You have a radius of
subpoena power of about 100 miles from the courtroom. A 200 mile
diameter circle to force people to come into your courtroom. To
select a more favorable venue, let's say Calif., now you've excluded
80% of your HOSTILE witness base. These are rules that really
cripple you in Federal court that a lot of people don't understand. I
didn't even understand when I filed this case.
R: Somehow I think we're going to be hearing MORE about TERRY
REED in the future.
T: Well, I'm not dead yet. I still fly airplanes....
[end]
Transcribed by Shadow
John Q. Public
Michael Rivero wrote:
>
> In article <3316E3...@globaldialog.com>,
> John Q. Public <j...@globaldialog.com> wrote:
> >Larry-Jennie wrote:
> >>
> >> Terry Reed: Covert Operator
> >> By David Fallis
> >> IN THESE TIMES
> >> Feb. 6-12, 1991
> >>
> >> It was a tense fall day in 1987 in
> >
> >
>
>
>
Love to, at the same time, with cameras rolling, and everybody
hooked up to VSA equipment.
PS: Bottoms has been under oath, although there are certainly
more questions that I would like to ask him.
Michael Rivero
In article <3316E3...@globaldialog.com>,
John Q. Public <j...@globaldialog.com> wrote:
>Larry-Jennie wrote:
>>
>> By David Fallis
>> IN THESE TIMES
>> Feb. 6-12, 1991
>>
>> It was a tense fall day in 1987 in
>
>
But Bottoms under oath.
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Bill Cleere
Michael Rivero wrote:
>
> In article <3316E3...@globaldialog.com>,
> John Q. Public <j...@globaldialog.com> wrote:
> >Larry-Jennie wrote:
> >>
> >> By David Fallis
> >> IN THESE TIMES
> >> Feb. 6-12, 1991
> >>
> >> It was a tense fall day in 1987 in
> >
> >
>
>
> But Bottoms under oath.
Bottoms *was* under oath. He swore (copiously) with his
hand on the February 1973 issue of Penthouse (and don't
any of you guys out there try to claim you don't remember
that one!)
John Q. Public
Bill Cleere wrote:
>
> Michael Rivero wrote:
> >
> > In article <3316E3...@globaldialog.com>,
> > John Q. Public <j...@globaldialog.com> wrote:
> > >Larry-Jennie wrote:
> > >>
> > >> By David Fallis
> > >> IN THESE TIMES
> > >> Feb. 6-12, 1991
> > >>
> > >> It was a tense fall day in 1987 in
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > But Bottoms under oath.
>
> Bottoms *was* under oath. He swore (copiously) with his
> hand on the February 1973 issue of Penthouse (and don't
> any of you guys out there try to claim you don't remember
> that one!)
Bottoms has been under oath several times, in federal court.
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