BNP TV Crew and Richard Barnbrook report from Oxford Street Stabbing
St Georges Day April 23rd
the scene of yesterday’s knife murder in broad daylight on Oxford
Street. This is the latest incident in an ever-growing list of murders
in our capital city. BNPtv were also on hand to record the police
response to this latest horrific and tragic murder on our streets;
http://bnptv.org.uk/bbc/oxfordstattack.wmv
http://www.bnp.org.uk/2008/05/bnptv-and-richard-barnbrook-report-from-oxford-street/
John Rowland
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> BNPtv were also on hand to record the police
> response to this latest horrific and tragic murder on our streets;
I think we might be better off now he's gone...
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23484523-details/Man+killed+in+Oxford+St+was+on+bail+for+horrific+acid+rape/article.do
Ed
<jo...@journeyflow.spamspam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> St Georges Day April 23rd wrote:
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>
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> > BNPtv were also on hand to record the police
> > response to this latest horrific and tragic murder on our streets;
>
What the F*CK was he doing out on bail?!?
Enzo Matrix
As I understand that report, firstly he was charged with a gang-related
knifing incident but was bailed. Then he was arrested and charged with a
rape *while still on bail* for the previous offence.
How can he possibly be allowed on bail for the second offence when that
offence should have had him placed on mandatory remand for the first
offence?
--
Enzo
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
True Blue
"Enzo Matrix" <enz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Either way, a happy ending.
parr...@yahoo.com
I'm opposed to capital punishment and he hadn't been found guilty of
the crimes he was charged with, but I certainly won't be shedding any
tears. Especially if it was relatives of the young girl who suffered
an incredibly evil crime who did him in. I doubt it will be an
"ending" of any sort though - his crew will no doubt feel they have to
carry out some sort of revenge attack as well. If they just stuck to
knives we could at least hope they simply wipe each other out,
refereably before any of the scum get a chance to breed as well. you
need to worry about them getting guns and having a shoot out on the
street. Bypassers will definitely be at greater risk than gang
members...
Fred
Good riddance of course. But what was he doing on bail? There really
is no regard for public safety until election time comes round and then
its only lip service.
allan tracy
> Either way, a happy ending
>
Not really, these arrogant c**ts choose to do their dirty washing in
public and badly need to be put in their place.
I never thought I would end up sounding like my Dad but the idea of
these arseholes being forced to do a few years of square bashing,
National Service style, does seem rather satisfying.
These f**kers have whole chip shops, one on each shoulder, that badly
need removing.
Bod Bodhi
Good riddance indeed. How's it go "live by a sword die by one" If there
are that many gangs and dumb fuck idiots out there who want this kind of
lifestyle why cant we encourage it? Why cant we invite all gang bangers,
rapists, crack heads, yobs, thugs, hooded wankers and wanabe gangsters
into a Big Brother style TV show called "Last Thug Standing". Stick em
all in a sports hall give them all a knife, N tell them last man
standing gets £100,000.
A little barbaric i know but in the end would save a lot more lives,
court time and misery and iam sure you would have a queue around the
block just dieing to get a chance. After all what do these thugs have to
do t get locked up? Has it come to the point that the only way for
victims to get justice in this country is by vengeance?
What the fuck is going on?
Such actions of the courts can only mean that there must be an agenda
being followed that we are not aware of. The judges who gave this thug
bail should be held accountable to the family of the rape victim. My
guess is that nothing will be done until gangs of thugs start killing
Judges and police officers. Who knows, maybe it has to get to that point
before the idiots at the top of the shit pile begin to wake the fuck up
and start doing there jobs.
William Black
"allan tracy" <thunderb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I never thought I would end up sounding like my Dad but the idea of
> these arseholes being forced to do a few years of square bashing,
> National Service style, does seem rather satisfying.
>
> These f**kers have whole chip shops, one on each shoulder, that badly
> need removing.
The BNP?
Sounds reasonable...
--
William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
count zero
stop the poor idiots getting bored. Most gang crime is black on black.
John Rowland
New Labour wouldn't have enough space to keep apple core droppers in jail
for 18 hours if they wasted all their cells on men who merely raped a child
and then poured acid inside her.
Enzo Matrix
On "Law & Order" they refer to that sort of thing as a "public service
killing".
For example: John Smith
Strictly speaking, it was an alkali attack.
the_niner_nation
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the met could ever dream of..
bad guy gets killed, the bad guys who kill him go to jail..result..several
bad guys off the streets!!!
lots of bad guys getting killed= lots of bad guys doing the killing going to
jail..no wonder the cops don't get involved in street crime.
however, it all falls apart when the CPS or social services think that the
killers are from a deprived background and need some tender loving care
rather than be left to rot in jail
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the_niner_nation
I couldn't agree more...these people are doing more regular 'policing' than
the met could ever dream of..
bad guy gets killed, the bad guys who kill him go to jail..result..several
bad guys off the streets!!!
lots of bad guys getting killed= lots of bad guys doing the killing going to
jail..no wonder the cops don't get involved in street crime.
however, it all falls apart when the CPS or social services think that the
killers are from a deprived background and need some tender loving care
rather than be left to rot in jail.
True Blue
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Or indeed the probation service, who in this case let the victim out on bail
whilst awaiting court for a brutal rape that he committed whilst out out
bail for a stabbing. It remains to be seen whether the man who killed him
was acting on behalf of one of the victims of the dead man's crimes.
the Good Captain
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So, given all that, why are you opposed to capital punishment? If
there is evil in the world, this kid was it. He may have been savable
at one point in his life, but the fact that he was lost first to
society, and now to life itself, is both down to the kind of liberal b/
s that did away with capital punishment in the first place
parr...@yahoo.com
Because I generally value human life. I don't see how a state has the
moral right to take the lives of its citizens. There is far too high a
risk of mistrial and it apparently doesn't reduce crime.
> If there is evil in the world, this kid was it. He may have been
> savable at one point in his life, but the fact that he was lost first to
> society, and now to life itself, is both down to the kind of liberal b/
> s that did away with capital punishment in the first place
That's a lot of assumjption without any evidence or explanation.
How's the death penalty doing reducing violent crime in e.g. America?
the Good Captain
Words are powerful tools. 'The state' implies some beurocratic 1984
type monolith. Obviously, I would use the term 'society' to define the
body that would sanction the taking of life. In fact the state/society
does sancion the taking of life when we send armed policemen to
protect us from armed individuals (as was seen in Chelsea a week or so
ago). The argument is whether this sanction should also be available
to the judiciary to punish. as well as prevent, wrongdoing. I see no
moral objection to this, in exceptional circumstances, such as the
gang rape and subsequent disfiguring by acid of a teenage girl. You've
already said that you hope that, should gang warfare erupt as a result
of this attack, these scum would wipe each other out before they get a
chance to breed. I couldnt agree more, and that is what prompted my
question. Im all for removing people like this from the gene pool, I
just dont see, having accepted that that would be a good thing, what
the objection would be to the state playing a role after due process.
>
> > If there is evil in the world, this kid was it. He may have been
> > savable at one point in his life, but the fact that he was lost first to
> > society, and now to life itself, is both down to the kind of liberal b/
> > s that did away with capital punishment in the first place
>
> That's a lot of assumjption without any evidence or explanation.
Well underlying the statement was the fact that he was on bail for the
rape/acid attack and also involvement in another stabbing. Granted he
hadnt been convicted but he'd be a particularly unlucky soul to find
himself innocent but charged with two violent crimes, one of them
unspeakable gross and cruel.
What I was trying to get at, albeit clumsily, with the 'liberal b/s'
bit, is that it seems to be the same kind of people who pushed the
abolition of capital punishment, who pushed for the abolition of the
'sus' laws and the SPG, after the riots of 1981 (which was probably
the last time the UK police actively tried to police black criminal
youth gangs) and has partly resulted in the situation we have today.
Latterly those same folks have foisted the Human Rights Act on us. The
law has been neutered and seems incapable of protecting the weak and
law abiding against bullies and thugs, or dealing with those bullies
and thugs when it does catch them (WHY was this guy on bail?).
However, I dont think the issue is only the law, a lot should be being
done to restore discipline to schools, identify potentially violent
youths and giving them the sort of positive treatment, discipline and
role models early, so basically, they can find some meaning to their
lives in a positive way, and refrain from intruding on the rest of us
too much.
> How's the death penalty doing reducing violent crime in e.g. America?
Well that presupposes that the absence of the death penalty would have
a more positive influence Crime and disorder is a part of a vastly
complex societal issue. I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but I think he
made the point that gun ownership in Canada equals that of the US per
capita, yet gun crime in Canada is only a tiny fraction of the US
figure. However, no doubt, sadistic and cruel criminals do turn up in
Canada from time to time, and I would still argue that the death
penalty should be available as a sanction for Canadian society and
their victims
parr...@yahoo.com
Quite. As I recal, the shooter in Chelsea was unloading through the
neighbours windows.
> I see no moral objection to this, in exceptional circumstances, such as the
> gang rape and subsequent disfiguring by acid of a teenage girl.
And here's where we differ, of course ;-)
>You've
> already said that you hope that, should gang warfare erupt as a result
> of this attack, these scum would wipe each other out before they get a
> chance to breed. I couldnt agree more, and that is what prompted my
> question.
I relise that I am running the risk of hypocrisy here... I'll try and
rationalise it - the other day, I was nearly mown down by a 15 year
old on a moped who was riding on the pavement. I thought to myelf "I
hope you fucking get knocked off your moped by a truck and die, you
little cunt". I didn't really, REALLY mean it though, not if I thought
about it properly. Or if I DID mean it, I knoew it was unreasonable.
> Im all for removing people like this from the gene pool,
I suspect it's not so much the genes as the upbringing, but I take
your point.
> I just dont see, having accepted that that would be a good thing, what
> the objection would be to the state playing a role after due process.
This is possibly where I demonstrate dreadful doublethink, but when I
look at it rationally, I can see my response was unreasonable and
woudl lead to a society I wouldn't want to live in.
>
> > > If there is evil in the world, this kid was it. He may have been
> > > savable at one point in his life, but the fact that he was lost first to
> > > society, and now to life itself, is both down to the kind of liberal b/
> > > s that did away with capital punishment in the first place
>
> > That's a lot of assumjption without any evidence or explanation.
>
> Well underlying the statement was the fact that he was on bail for the
> rape/acid attack and also involvement in another stabbing. Granted he
> hadnt been convicted but he'd be a particularly unlucky soul to find
> himself innocent but charged with two violent crimes, one of them
> unspeakable gross and cruel.
I agree that it is utterly ludicrous that he was on bail while
supecetd of two violent crimes, one of which was , as you say,
particularly abhorent.
>
> What I was trying to get at, albeit clumsily, with the 'liberal b/s'
> bit, is that it seems to be the same kind of people who pushed the
> abolition of capital punishment, who pushed for the abolition of the
> 'sus' laws and the SPG, after the riots of 1981 (which was probably
> the last time the UK police actively tried to police black criminal
> youth gangs) and has partly resulted in the situation we have today.
I think the "sus" laws were generally counter productive and had to
go.
This doesn't mean that youung criminals should have been left alone
purely because they were a specific ethnicity though, and I don't
think that is what happened either.
> Latterly those same folks have foisted the Human Rights Act on us. The
> law has been neutered and seems incapable of protecting the weak and
> law abiding against bullies and thugs, or dealing with those bullies
> and thugs when it does catch them (WHY was this guy on bail?).
> However, I dont think the issue is only the law, a lot should be being
> done to restore discipline to schools, identify potentially violent
> youths and giving them the sort of positive treatment, discipline and
> role models early, so basically, they can find some meaning to their
> lives in a positive way, and refrain from intruding on the rest of us
> too much.
I agree with much of that, and quite strongly as well. When I was a
kid (late 70's/80s) you woudl still get a clip round the ear off a
copper and a stinging wack on the arse off a teacher and another one
when you got home off your parents if you were caught misbehaving. And
you took your lumps without complaining too.
>
> > How's the death penalty doing reducing violent crime in e.g. America?
>
> Well that presupposes that the absence of the death penalty would have
> a more positive influence Crime and disorder is a part of a vastly
> complex societal issue. I'm no fan of Michael Moore, but I think he
> made the point that gun ownership in Canada equals that of the US per
> capita, yet gun crime in Canada is only a tiny fraction of the US
> figure. However, no doubt, sadistic and cruel criminals do turn up in
> Canada from time to time, and I would still argue that the death
> penalty should be available as a sanction for Canadian society and
> their victims- Dölj citerad text -
Sorry, taht was a bit naughty of me. "The Devil can quote scripture to
hi spurpose" and death penalty statistics are much the same. It's
impossible to compare a nation like Singapore (death penalty for
spitting in the streets, zero cimre, effectively) with the US and draw
any meaningful conclusions about how or whether capital punishment
deterrs crime.
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