HOW TO OBSTRUCT U.S. INJUSTICE
Ivan Gowch
The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
and everyone knows it.
Police abuse, and sometimes kill, innocent persons
at will. Cops plant evidence, they lie, they coerce
confessions and they commit perjury. Many are,
simply, criminals.
Prosecutors suborn perjury. They introduce "evidence"
they know is false, they fail to disclose and try to
suppress exculpatory evidence and they knowingly
prosecute innocent people.
The laws against some drugs are primarily a means
to give the cops an open-ended warrant for search
and seizure and a mechanism to keep poor people,
young people and especially poor, young *black*
people fearful, off-balance and easy to control.
The law that mandates heavier penalties for crack
cocaine possession than for the powdered Hollywood
variety is an outrageous act of oppression aimed at
ensuring that blacks are punished more harshly than
whites for the same offence.
Criminal court judges, for the most part, are in
collusion with the cops and prosecutors and many
wouldn't know justice if God came down from Heaven
and handed it to them on a golden platter.
The result is that almost one in four (23 percent)
black men in the age group 20-29 is either in prison,
jail, on probation, or parole on any given day (four
times that of whites). The number of young black men
under the control of the criminal justice system
is greater than the total number of black men of all
ages enrolled in college as of 1996.
That the system is a blunt weapon for the continued
oppression of black people -- and, in a larger sense,
poor people -- is so obvious it needs no further
assertion.
The prisons are overflowing with people who have
never harmed a soul, and uncounted thousands
who are innocent of the crimes they were convicted
of.
The system must be brought down. It must be
strangled, clogged and made so unworkable that it
collapses under its own corrupt weight. Once the
system grinds to a halt, the powers-that-be will
panic, the legislators will be forced to act and the
laws will change.
Accomplishing this may not be as difficult as it
sounds. What it will take is to educate young people
-- and especially young BLACK people -- to follow a
few simple rules when dealing with the authorities.
The rules should be posted in foot-high letters on
billboards in every city. They should be scrawled as
graffiti on every ghetto wall. They should be taped
to lockers in schools and carved into police-cell
walls and posted all over the Internet. They should
be set to a beat and turned into a hip-hop song.
They should be seen wherever people who are the
system's favourite targets gather.
If everyone followed the rules to the letter, the
system would stumble to a halt under its own ponderous
weight. And then, either the laws would change in
an attempt to eliminate injustice, or the system would
be forced to cast off its mask and reveal the monster
police state lurking underneath.
If that happens, there can be only one response, and
that's to take it to the streets, dismantle the
motherfucker and start afresh.
The rules fall into two categories: Stymie the Cops,
and Get Your Rights -- ALL Your Rights.
You've waited long enough. Here are
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
NEVER tell the police anything the law doesn't require
you to tell.
(According to a disastrous U.S. Supreme Court
decision in June 2004, that means your name
only [unless you're driving a car].
Practice these words for all other cop
questions: "I'd rather not say.")
NEVER consent to a search of your person, your
vehicle, your possessions or your residence.
(Insist they get a warrant. If they
search without one, they generally can't
use as evidence whatever they might find.)
NEVER confess. To anything. Never admit to anything.
(If arrested, say "I want to speak to a
lawyer." Say nothing until you have. Never
believe the cops when they tell you things
will "go easier with you" if you give a
statement, turn in your partner or point them
towards evidence. This is the biggest lie
cops tell, everyone knows it and yet, dumb
motherfuckers fall for it every day. Don't
be a dumb motherfucker.)
NEVER discuss your case with cellmates or others
in or out of jail.
(Assume everyone you meet in jail is a
police informant. Many of them are.)
NEVER plea bargain.
ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
(From the moment you are arrested,
tell the cops you want to speak to a lawyer.
At the police station, tell everyone you
come into contact with that you want a
lawyer. Don't talk to the cops until you've
spoken with a lawyer.)
ALWAYS plead not guilty.
(Even if you're guilty as hell. Make them
prove it. Often, they won't be able to
if you don't help them.)
ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
(Use the rights you have. Challenge
jurors. Drag out the process. Make it
as expensive as possible for the State.)
ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
ALWAYS pass on these rules to everyone you know.
===
There they are. Ten simple rules that hold awesome
power.
Skeptical? Good. But think about it.
Can you imagine what the impact would be on the
system if every single mother's son picked
up by the cops refused to co-operate? Refused to
tell them where he threw the dope, declined to
identify the other dudes who were hanging out
on the street corner, withheld permission for a
search, demanded a lawyer, refused to confess or
make a deal and insisted on a trial, complete with a
jury of his peers? Do you think the system could
withstand that for long?
It could not. The system sustains itself only because
it is a revolving door into which the vast majority of
its victims are sucked into the vicious vortex of
arrest, bargain, confession, guilty plea, prison.
Kind of like a giant garbage disposal unit.
But there are not enough public defenders
to represent even a small percentage of charged
persons if *everyone* demanded a lawyer and pleaded
not guilty, not enough prosecutors to prosecute them,
not enough courtrooms to try them in and not enough
judges to fall asleep during their trials. Just
finding enough people to sit on the vastly increased
number of juries that would be required would throttle
the system into paralysis.
And consider the effects on the police, if they knew
that every single sonofabitch they charged would
eventually face them in court, demanding to see their
evidence, with a lawyer at their side to challenge
their every lie.
The costs of running the system would rise
astronomically. It could not be sustained. Things
would change. And change is good.
So here they are again. The rules. Pass them on.
Post them. Give them to your friends.
Think about it -- revolution without firing a shot.
You have nothing to lose except the gun in your
back.
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NEVER tell the police anything.
NEVER consent to a search.
NEVER confess.
NEVER discuss your case with others.
NEVER plea bargain.
ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
ALWAYS plead not guilty.
ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
ALWAYS pass on these rules.
--
Where you find the laws most numerous, there you will find also the
greatest injustice. - Arcesilaus
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news:sk56e01cv99qdamfu...@4ax.com...
>
> The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
> and everyone knows it.
If you don't like, Ivanovich, go the hell back to fucking Russia.
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
==>"Ivan Gowch" <ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
==>news:sk56e01cv99qdamfu...@4ax.com...
==>>
==>> The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
==>> and everyone knows it.
==>If you don't like, Ivanovich, go the hell back to fucking Russia.
I usually ignore brain-dead spews like the above,
but I'm feeling feisty today, so . . .
You puerile little puke. Why waste our time and
precious bandwidth with mindless taunts like
this?
If you disagree with what I've said, why not state
your objections and argue the point?
Is it because you are a brainless little asshole
with nothing in your head but 1950s-style slogans
and possessed of an IQ less than your penis size?
Yes, I think that's it.
Turn off your computer and go back to sleep,
shit-for-brains. Turn on the TV in your trailer and
see if you can find some wrestling to masturbate
to, and trouble us no more.
You are a disgrace to the concept of free thought.
--
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
peeance....@bayofgoats.org
On 1-Jul-2004, Ivan Gowch <ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote:
> THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> NEVER tell the police anything.
> NEVER consent to a search.
> NEVER confess.
> NEVER discuss your case with others.
> NEVER plea bargain.
> ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
> ALWAYS plead not guilty.
> ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
> ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
> ALWAYS pass on these rules.
They'll be passing this out at the door to delegates at the Republican
National Convention.
Eric
--
Bush announced today that Fahrenheit 911 is "full of factual inaccuracies".
He is 100% correct. Most of the movie is ... footage of Bush and friends
telling lies to the American people. [From Roedy Green
<loo...@mindprod.com.invalid>]
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> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 18:42:50 -0700, "฿ละลงง" <nada...@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
> ==>"Ivan Gowch" <ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
> ==>news:sk56e01cv99qdamfu...@4ax.com...
> ==>>
> ==>> The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
> ==>> and everyone knows it.
>
> ==>If you don't like, Ivanovich, go the hell back to fucking Russia.
>
> I usually ignore brain-dead spews like the above,
> but I'm feeling feisty today, so . . .
Translation: You expected some whiney liberal agreement with your usual
bullshit, only this time -- SURPRISE!
> You puerile little puke. Why waste our time and
> precious bandwidth with mindless taunts like
> this?
Why don't you practice what you preach?
> If you disagree with what I've said, why not state
> your objections and argue the point?
Because you're just a two-bit troll wanting to stir the turds..
> Is it because you are a brainless little asshole
> with nothing in your head but 1950s-style slogans
> and possessed of an IQ less than your penis size?
>
> Yes, I think that's it.
Now you're running out of names to call and resorting to genitalia flames.
Sad.
> Turn off your computer and go back to sleep,
> shit-for-brains. Turn on the TV in your trailer and
> see if you can find some wrestling to masturbate
> to, and trouble us no more.
>
> You are a disgrace to the concept of free thought.
YAWN.
Sounds like my one-liner got your goat. Yeah, I've seen your shit before,
but this time I thought I'd toss in my two-cents' worth instead of
killfiling ya' outright.. Next time come up with something a little more
entertaining than that the same cut-and-pasted bullshit that nobody pays
attention to anymore. Tell ya' what, man, if you really want to get
someone's attention, try a flame like this:
"You black, ghetto-living, welfare-leeching, crack-smoking, hub-cap
stealing. fried-chicken and biscuit eating, watermelon-stealing,
6-yr-old-white-girl-shooting, serial-killing, rapist, robber, murderer,
adulterer, liar, fat-assed, white-woman-wanting,
loud-radio-at-2:00-a.m.-in-the-morning-playing, undisciplined,
tree-swinging, flat-congo-nosed, greasy afro-sheen, baggy-pants, and
side-ways cap-wearing, Maya Angelou-reading, Jesse Jackson-worshiping, Al
Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Malcom X-believing, disco doo-wop-playing,
non-athletic, non-musical, shoplifting, non-political, trashy, nasty,
filthy, junk-around-the-house and litter-in-the-yard-keeping, incestuous,
wife-beating, unfaithful, dice-shooting, numbers-playing, lottery-wishing,
roach-and-rat raising, lice-keeping, crab-farming, graffiti-tagging,
gang-banging, drive-by shooting, corner-hanging, unemployed, VCR,
television, and radio-pawning, cardboard-box-under the-bridge-living,
pork-chops-three times-a-day-eating, gold-toothed, knock-kneed, semi-bald,
illiterate, cross-eyed, get-it-up-so-you-can-masturbate-to-gay-porn,
viagra-taking, connection-frequenting, jungle-visiting, cock-kissing, son of
a fat, greasy, nasty, sweaty, half-washed whore."
Savvy?
Now go back to your Pokemon cards, kiddo, before Officer Friendly takes you
downtown for questioning.
PLONK
vonroach
wrote:
>, try a flame like this:
>
>"You black, ghetto-living, welfare-leeching, crack-smoking, hub-cap
>stealing. fried-chicken and biscuit eating, watermelon-stealing,
>6-yr-old-white-girl-shooting, serial-killing, rapist, robber, murderer,
>adulterer, liar, fat-assed, white-woman-wanting,
>loud-radio-at-2:00-a.m.-in-the-morning-playing, undisciplined,
>tree-swinging, flat-congo-nosed, greasy afro-sheen, baggy-pants, and
>side-ways cap-wearing, Maya Angelou-reading, Jesse Jackson-worshiping, Al
>Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Malcom X-believing, disco doo-wop-playing,
>non-athletic, non-musical, shoplifting, non-political, trashy, nasty,
>filthy, junk-around-the-house and litter-in-the-yard-keeping, incestuous,
>wife-beating, unfaithful, dice-shooting, numbers-playing, lottery-wishing,
>roach-and-rat raising, lice-keeping, crab-farming, graffiti-tagging,
>gang-banging, drive-by shooting, corner-hanging, unemployed, VCR,
>television, and radio-pawning, cardboard-box-under the-bridge-living,
>pork-chops-three times-a-day-eating, gold-toothed, knock-kneed, semi-bald,
>illiterate, cross-eyed, get-it-up-so-you-can-masturbate-to-gay-porn,
>viagra-taking, connection-frequenting, jungle-visiting, cock-kissing, son of
>a fat, greasy, nasty, sweaty, half-washed whore."
>
>Savvy?
Nice exhibit of criminal and jailhouse lingo. Shows how they think and
why they belong exactly where they are - behind bars getting an
attitude adjustment. Yes, moron, we `savvy', but you never will. You
are just a hopeless piece of trash discarded here by your ashamed
parents.
scoopdamedia
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> "vonroach" <hadr...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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black
> beasts
>
>
>
Rahowa88
fellow fighters. Any little bitches who whine about this advice deserve
what they get from the "system."
somedude
You dumb fuck, why don't you pay attention to the advice he presented,
it might save your sorry ass someday. Maybe Ivanovich remembers what
Russia was like. OTOH, go ahead and blabber away next time you're
suspected of a crime, a little time behind bars with your black bro's
might do you a world of good.
vonroach
wrote:
>Damn good advice, kinsman. I'll be saving this and passing it along to
>fellow fighters. Any little bitches who whine about this advice deserve
>what they get from the "system."
glenn patricksion ron michael bill tisken kim nunn jack snyder david
uva tim hutton lucy lenya scott monkin ana brown tim kendall judy
gligg brian kraft tanya smith" <x@x> say :
there's good and bad
>Ivan Gowch wrote:
>>
>> The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
>> and everyone knows it.
>>
>> Police abuse, and sometimes kill, innocent persons
>> at will. Cops plant evidence, they lie, they coerce
>> confessions and they commit perjury. Many are,
>> simply, criminals.
Tut tut, criminal, think of how much time your lawyer got you for self
education, amusement, attitude change, and remaking your ugly
worthless personality, a parody on jailhouse hate and anger, into
something less schizophrenic and more amiable. Your rehabilitation
should include Bible study and a through rereading of the
Constitution.
>> Prosecutors suborn perjury. They introduce "evidence"
>> they know is false, they fail to disclose and try to
>> suppress exculpatory evidence and they knowingly
>> prosecute innocent people.
And put criminals away.
>> The laws against some drugs are primarily a means
>> to give the cops an open-ended warrant for search
>> and seizure and a mechanism to keep poor people,
>> young people and especially poor, young *black*
>> people fearful, off-balance and easy to control.
>>
>> The law that mandates heavier penalties for crack
>> cocaine possession than for the powdered Hollywood
>> variety is an outrageous act of oppression aimed at
>> ensuring that blacks are punished more harshly than
>> whites for the same offence.
>>
>> Criminal court judges, for the most part, are in
>> collusion with the cops and prosecutors and many
>> wouldn't know justice if God came down from Heaven
>> and handed it to them on a golden platter.
>>
>> The result is that almost one in four (23 percent)
>> black men in the age group 20-29 is either in prison,
>> jail, on probation, or parole on any given day (four
>> times that of whites). The number of young black men
>> under the control of the criminal justice system
>> is greater than the total number of black men of all
>> ages enrolled in college as of 1996.
Culdn't sell on your worth?
>> That the system is a blunt weapon for the continued
>> oppression of black people -- and, in a larger sense,
>> poor people -- is so obvious it needs no further
>> assertion.
>>
>> The prisons are overflowing with people who have
>> never harmed a soul, and uncounted thousands
>> who are innocent of the crimes they were convicted
>> of.
And many more very guilty criminals.
Ivan's Credo:
>> THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
>>
>> NEVER tell the police anything the law doesn't require
>> you to tell.
>>
>> (According to a disastrous U.S. Supreme Court
>> decision in June 2004, that means your name
>> only [unless you're driving a car].
>> Practice these words for all other cop
>> questions: "I'd rather not say.")
>>
>> NEVER consent to a search of your person, your
>> vehicle, your possessions or your residence.
>>
>> (Insist they get a warrant. If they
>> search without one, they generally can't
>> use as evidence whatever they might find.)
>>
>> NEVER confess. To anything. Never admit to anything.
>>
>> (If arrested, say "I want to speak to a
>> lawyer." Say nothing until you have. Never
>> believe the cops when they tell you things
>> will "go easier with you" if you give a
>> statement, turn in your partner or point them
>> towards evidence. This is the biggest lie
>> cops tell, everyone knows it and yet, dumb
>> motherfuckers fall for it every day. Don't
>> be a dumb motherfucker.)
Ivan's second Credo after the first fails
>> NEVER discuss your case with cellmates or others
>> in or out of jail.
>>
>> (Assume everyone you meet in jail is a
>> police informant. Many of them are.)
>>
>> NEVER plea bargain.
>>
>> ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
>>
>> (From the moment you are arrested,
>> tell the cops you want to speak to a lawyer.
>> At the police station, tell everyone you
>> come into contact with that you want a
>> lawyer. Don't talk to the cops until you've
>> spoken with a lawyer.)
>>
>> ALWAYS plead not guilty.
>>
>> (Even if you're guilty as hell. Make them
>> prove it. Often, they won't be able to
>> if you don't help them.)
>>
>> ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
>>
>> (Use the rights you have. Challenge
>> jurors. Drag out the process. Make it
>> as expensive as possible for the State.)
>>
>> ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
>>
>> ALWAYS pass on these rules to everyone you know.
Ivan's Third Credo
You can always run away to Canada and hide.
>> There they are. Ten simple rules that hold awesome
>> power.
>>
>> Skeptical? Good. But think about it.
Canada is a good place to think about. Always latch on to socialist
freebes before you tire yourself with thought.
>> Can you imagine what the impact would be on the
>> system if every single mother's son picked
>> up by the cops refused to co-operate? Refused to
>> tell them where he threw the dope, declined to
>> identify the other dudes who were hanging out
>> on the street corner, withheld permission for a
>> search, demanded a lawyer, refused to confess or
>> make a deal and insisted on a trial, complete with a
>> jury of his peers? Do you think the system could
>> withstand that for long?
>>
>> It could not. The system sustains itself only because
>> it is a revolving door into which the vast majority of
>> its victims are sucked into the vicious vortex of
>> arrest, bargain, confession, guilty plea, prison.
>> Kind of like a giant garbage disposal unit.
Odd the same simile occurred to me. Canada a giant garbage disposal
unit.
>> But there are not enough public defenders
>> to represent even a small percentage of charged
>> persons if *everyone* demanded a lawyer and pleaded
>> not guilty, not enough prosecutors to prosecute them,
>> not enough courtrooms to try them in and not enough
>> judges to fall asleep during their trials. Just
>> finding enough people to sit on the vastly increased
>> number of juries that would be required would throttle
>> the system into paralysis.
>>
>> And consider the effects on the police, if they knew
>> that every single sonofabitch they charged would
>> eventually face them in court, demanding to see their
>> evidence, with a lawyer at their side to challenge
>> their every lie.
>>
>> The costs of running the system would rise
>> astronomically. It could not be sustained. Things
>> would change. And change is good.
>>
>> So here they are again. The rules. Pass them on.
>> Post them. Give them to your friends.
I know you criminals and drug abusers aren't the brightest bulbs on
the tree so maybe you better print these for quick reference
>> Think about it -- revolution without firing a shot.
>>
>> You have nothing to lose except the gun in your
>> back.
>>
>> THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> NEVER tell the police anything.
>> NEVER consent to a search.
>> NEVER confess.
>> NEVER discuss your case with others.
>> NEVER plea bargain.
>> ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
>> ALWAYS plead not guilty.
>> ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
>> ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
>> ALWAYS pass on these rules.
after you run and hide in Canada to avoid serving your sentence
>> --
>> Where you find the laws most numerous, there you will find also the
>> greatest injustice. - Arcesilaus
And where you find the hiding criminals most numerous, there you'll
also find Ivan and Rohowda
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
[snip]
==>Tut tut, criminal, think of how much time your lawyer got you for self
==>education, amusement, attitude change, and remaking your ugly
==>worthless personality, a parody on jailhouse hate and anger, into
==>something less schizophrenic and more amiable. Your rehabilitation
==>should include Bible study and a through rereading of the
==>Constitution.
The fact that a loser and apologist for fascism
like you is so apoplectic about this proves
conclusively that The Rules -- and I -- are
on the right track.
Thanks for your contribution.
===
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
NEVER tell the police anything.
NEVER consent to a search.
NEVER confess.
NEVER discuss your case with others.
NEVER plea bargain.
ALWAYS demand a lawyer.
ALWAYS plead not guilty.
ALWAYS demand a full jury trial.
ALWAYS appeal, if you are convicted.
ALWAYS pass on these rules.
--
The difference of opinion now comes from clever politicians, who as
the pigs in the story...
-Vonroach on Sat, 03 Jul 2004, claiming that
George Orwell's "1984" was all about pigs
seeking power, thereby proving he's never
read either "1984" OR "Animal Farm," and
that he's dumber than a barnyard critter.
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
==>Damn good advice, kinsman. I'll be saving this and passing it along to
==>fellow fighters. Any little bitches who whine about this advice deserve
==>what they get from the "system."
Nice troll.
But the fact is that The Rules should be applied by
mind-fucked White-Power assholes as religiously as
they should be applied by anyone else who knows
that the U.S. justice system desperately needs fixing.
Aside from that, and as a matter of principle,
fuck you and the crack whore and orangutan who
spawned you.
--
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
vonroach
<ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>But the fact is that The Rules should be applied by
> mind-fucked White-Power assholes as religiously as
> they should be applied by anyone else who knows
> that the U.S. justice system desperately needs fixing.
Now Ivy, mouths the stale `newspeak' of Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson, and
others of their ilk. Plain truth is that the penitentiary is full of
criminals. If there is any tribal predominance, it reflects more
crime, Any group with complaints would do well to listen to frank
advice given to black tribe by Bill Cosby.
vonroach
<ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:48:30 GMT, vonroach <hadr...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>==>Tut tut, criminal, think of how much time your lawyer got you for self
>==>education, amusement, attitude change, and remaking your ugly
>==>worthless personality, a parody on jailhouse hate and anger, into
>==>something less schizophrenic and more amiable. Your rehabilitation
>==>should include Bible study and a through rereading of the
>==>Constitution.
>
> The fact that a loser and apologist for fascism
> like you is so apoplectic about this proves
> conclusively that The Rules -- and I -- are
> on the right track.
>
> Thanks for your contribution.
You are welcome, but your anti law rant sounded more apoplectic to me.
I was just offering some frank observations on the opportunities that
jail furnishes criminals. I hope your rehabilitation takes a turn for
the better.
tres_hombres
news:40E8DF...@somefuckinplace.com...
Uh, clueless, Officer Friendly knows the law too, and "knowing the law ain't
all," as the saying goes. Now you just go right on ahead and play the game
according to Ivan's rules and, sure, in the end you'll probably come out
ahead, that is, after you've lost your job, had your career ruined, had all
your kids put in foster homes, had your home torn apart by searches, your
car impounded, your computer's hard drive scanned, had your relatives and
neighbors harrassed out of town, and most of all, spent your entire life
savings on legal fees. Yeah, boy, The Man knows how the system is supposed
to work, too, and your local cops will quickly show you how the system
REALLY works. If you can spare a few bucks, there's a nasty little
publication you just might want to check out:
http://www.fsbookco.com/DIRTYTRICKSCOPSUSE.html
It's not an exposé pounded out by a disgruntled former officer. It's a
how-to manual FOR law-enforcement personnel. Just keep that in mind the
next time you decide to play Mr. Know-It-All Legal Eagle and act cocky
around the man with the badge.
Ivan Gowch
wrote:
[snip]
==>Uh, clueless, Officer Friendly knows the law too, and "knowing the law ain't
==>all," as the saying goes. Now you just go right on ahead and play the game
==>according to Ivan's rules
They're not "Ivan's Rules." They're simply a
restatement of the civil rights of all Americans.
What's your problem with people exercising
their rights? Perhaps you believe people's rights
exist only in theory. . . .?
==> and, sure, in the end you'll probably come out
==>ahead,
Not "probably." Certainly. Anyone arrested or
suspected of a crime will "come out ahead" if
s/he insists on exercising ALL the rights
guaranteed them by the Constitution. Don't
believe me? Ask a defence lawyer.
The dumbest thing anyone can do is help the
authorities put them in prison.
==> that is, after you've lost your job,
That might happen AFTER one is convicted
of a crime, not likely before. All the more reason
to insist on one's rights, thereby making conviction
less likely. In any case, how would waiving
one's rights prevent the loss of one's job?
==> had your career ruined,
Certainly possible, AFTER one has been convicted
of a serious crime. All the more reason
to insist on one's rights, thereby making conviction
much less likely. How would waiving one's rights
prevent the ruination of one's career?
==> had all
==>your kids put in foster homes,
My, my, you are a hysterical fellow, aren't you?
So frightened. Either that, or you're a cop, which
would explain why you are so desperate to try
to scare people out of exercising their legal
rights. What's the matter? Afraid you might have
to work for a living?
==> had your home torn apart by searches,
Unless one is stupid enough to give the cops
permission, a search of one's home can be conducted
only under the authority of a warrant signed by a
judge who has been persuaded that the cops have
reasonable and probable cause for a search.
Obviously, WITHHOLDING PERMISSION for a search
doesn't make a search more likely. Again, very
hysterical, and dishonest, of you.
==> your
==>car impounded,
Only with a warrant based on evidence, UNLESS YOU
GIVE PERMISSION.
==> your computer's hard drive scanned,
Only with a warrant based on evidence, UNLESS YOU
GIVE PERMISSION.
==> had your relatives and
==>neighbors harrassed out of town,
By who? The cops? Is that what U.S. cops do,
these days? Harrass innocent people "out of
town?" Possibly where you live. In any case,
ridiculous as that scenario is, it's much less likely
to occur if the cops know that their suspect is one
who insists on his/her rights and has a defence
lawyer to back him up. Your attempt to
frighten poeple into surrendering their rights is
quite transparent and comical, you know.
==> and most of all, spent your entire life
==>savings on legal fees.
So . . . helping the cops convict you and going
meekly to prison is a better alternative?
Fact is, the government should be made to
fully reimburse anyone who has had to spend
money defending him/herself from charges
that do not result in a conviction. That would
certainly go a long way towards keeping the
cops and prosecutors honest.
==> Yeah, boy, The Man knows how the system is supposed
==>to work, too, and your local cops will quickly show you how the system
==>REALLY works.
I know exactly how the system REALLY works.
That's why I posted The Rules -- to force it
to work another way.
==> If you can spare a few bucks, there's a nasty little
==>publication you just might want to check out:
==>
==>http://www.fsbookco.com/DIRTYTRICKSCOPSUSE.html
Someone's attempt to make a few bucks from
a handbook of supposed police procedures.
==>It's not an exposé pounded out by a disgruntled former officer. It's a
==>how-to manual FOR law-enforcement personnel. Just keep that in mind the
==>next time you decide to play Mr. Know-It-All Legal Eagle and act cocky
==>around the man with the badge.
The "man with the badge" is nothing but a low-level
public servant who must obey the rules society sets
for the job he does. People insisting on all their
rights and making sure they have lawyers to press
the point home ensures that the cops do exactly
that.
It's fascinating that you, presumably a citizen of the
"land of the free, home of the brave," advise people
that they should shudder with fear and scuttle their
Constitution-guaranteed rights whenever confronted
by agents of the state.
Is this what's become of you courageous,
liberty-loving Americans in your Republican-run
gulag?
I think so, and it's more pathertic than words can
express.
I'd tell you to be ashamed, if I thought that were
possible.
--
THE RULES OF RESISTANCE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
S. L'Gree
"Ivan Gowch" <ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 18:40:23 -0700, "tres_hombres" <nos...@nospam.net>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> ==>Uh, clueless, Officer Friendly knows the law too, and "knowing the law
ain't
> ==>all," as the saying goes. Now you just go right on ahead and play the
game
> ==>according to Ivan's rules
>
> They're not "Ivan's Rules." They're simply a
> restatement of the civil rights of all Americans.
> What's your problem with people exercising
> their rights?
Why should you give a shit, CANUCK?
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You seem to have lots of time on your hands, judging from all the thousands
of posts you've made and uncountable NG's you've trolled over the years.
Yeah, everyone, do a Google search on "Ivan Gowch" and you'll notice that
he's another "Bertie the Bunyip."
S. L'Gree
> >
> > "Ivan Gowch" <ivan...@SPAMTHEENOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:sk56e01cv99qdamfu...@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > The U.S. system of "justice" is a tragic joke,
> > > and everyone knows it.
> >
> > If you don't like, Ivanovich, go the hell back to fucking Russia.
>
> You dumb fuck, why don't you pay attention to the advice he presented,
Why don't you do a Google search on "Ivan Gowch" and discover you just took
the troll bait from Canuckistan.
Ivan Gowch
<put_y...@ckintoitboy.com> wrote:
[snip]
==>> They're not "Ivan's Rules." They're simply a
==>> restatement of the civil rights of all Americans.
==>> What's your problem with people exercising
==>> their rights?
==>Why should you give a shit, CANUCK?
Actually, I'm an American living in Canada.
==>You seem to have lots of time on your hands, judging from all the thousands
==>of posts you've made
Actually, my time is rather severely limited, since
I work for a living, but yep, I'm a veteran of the
Usenet wars, all right, practically from the day it
got started, a veritable .net God.
You, on the other hand, are a five-post wonder,
a newbie clown who's just discovered the
newsgroups and thinks he's now qualified
to comment on the Usenet presence of his
betters.
You're not.
It's hilarious, that of the five posts that you have
ever made on Usenet, FOUR of them were
replies to articles of mine. (The fifth was a
verbatim reprint, without comment, of a long,
boring, pointless article on Wahhabism [!?].)
Guess I'm really getting your goat, eh, doofus?
Listen, bitch-boy, you want to tangle with me, bring
it on, but better have some actual facts in your
arsenal, or I'll stuff your newbie foolishness up your
candy-ass.
Thanks for playing.
S. L'Gree
> On Thu, 8 Jul 2004 16:56:45 -0700, "S. L'Gree"
> <put_y...@ckintoitboy.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> ==>> They're not "Ivan's Rules." They're simply a
> ==>> restatement of the civil rights of all Americans.
> ==>> What's your problem with people exercising
> ==>> their rights?
>
> ==>Why should you give a shit, CANUCK?
>
> Actually, I'm an American living in Canada.
>
> ==>You seem to have lots of time on your hands, judging from all the
thousands
> ==>of posts you've made
>
> Actually, my time is rather severely limited, since
> I work for a living, but yep, I'm a veteran of the
> Usenet wars, all right, practically from the day it
> got started, a veritable .net God.
In other words, an infantile egomaniac with no life outside of his menial
job.