Seceding or not seceding,that is the question
K6
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 18
December 9,2005
For the time being,the GPR confines its ambitions at remaining parallel
to Canada.The GPR
currently pursues no aim of secession from Canada.It does not follow
that our micronation
might not engage on a non-official basis in discussions about outright
gay secession on a macropolitical level,and with consequent and
articulated political actors having an interest in
gay independence.
K6
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 14,2005
It does not necessarily follows,from Message # 18 from our English
language sector of activity,that we will support gay secession on a
macropolitical level,in such circumstances which would warrant little
or no chance of success.The criteria of our micronation,the GPR and in
political matters,remains success.The discussions we had had recently
in http://thelastbaron.com/index.php do not necessarily point out to
scenarios offering much chance of success,though we remain very
sympathetic to the idea that we gays should seceed from heterosexuals.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 17,2005
If gay secession on a macropolitical level was to be attempted,it would
stand little chance
of yielding permanent results in the form of a viable gay
macrostate,unless human reproduction and breeding were nationalized
right at the beginning of the process and as a
vital component part of gay self-determination.From there on,there
would be no more private initiative in the field of human reproduction
and in a macrostate of ours,which could jeopardize our political
independence and future with a mostly heterosexual posterity.
A gay macrostate could not for its own sake rest content with exhalting
merely gay patriotism.It would have to be both patriotic and
progressive,justifying a gay place and positive role in the evolution
of mankind.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 18,2005
Both the renunciation to private initiative in the field of human
reproduction and the nationalization of the human reproductive function
are infered and incipient in the
sexual orientation of gays.That is in a consequent adhesion to
homosexuality as
found among gays.A gay present on the territory of the GPR has the duty
to consider
human reproduction as a strictly public and collective matter,subject
only to the authority
of society,not to the whim,egoism or shortsightenedness of the
individual.Art.95 of the
Code of the GPR (law of march 25,1979) is very clear on this matter.A
gay geopolitical
entity which would not have a similar provision in its normative system
would raise all
kinds of questions about its viability and even perhaps about its
gayness.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 19,2005
An incipient gay macrostate must certainly retain an exclusive
competence over the determination of the sexual orientation of its
citizens and permanent residents.The
surest method to achieve that is through the choice of the above
mentionned citizens and
and permanent residents by way of immigration.Private and individual
initiative in matters
of reproduction could not continue in such a context.For it imposes
delays of perhaps the
order of 20 years to yield a result,which is not likely to be in all or
in most cases gay anyway.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 28,2005
A gay secession on a macropolitical level could perhaps take place in
the context of the disintegration of some macrostate,which occurs from
time in history,especially to empires and superpowers.We thus could not
cause the original event leading to a gay secession.We could however
anticipate and exploit it,provided that we have set up in advance the
proper organization to engineer a secession.Provided also that we
remain socially and politically organized,amidts a non-gay environment
which is temporarily disorganized,disabled and not
capable of exercising in a coherent manner its traditional domination
over us gays.
Non-gay disorganization would anyway put us in danger,and free us of
any allegiance
towards our previous non-gays geopolitical masters.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
December 29,2005
As per Message # 23 of our English language sector of activity,setting
up a gay macrostate would become a thing possible only during some
interegnum.By interegnum,we mean a transitory period of time during
which some macrostate structure would have already collapsed and not
yet been replaced by some other.Such are not the current conditions.
Which makes the establishment of a gay independent State a thing
impossible at present.
Preparatory steps could be taken though in anticipation or future
historical events and changes favourable to the pursuit of gay
political independence.Like creating the required political
organization.The said organization should be ready to operate like a
macrostate and operating now and in certain respects as such.In
this,micronationalism certainly offers an opportunity.All the more that
the micropolitical scene is rather thinly populated and not much
exploited for purpose of independence by groups such like gays,which
are rather macropolitical in numbers and size.
vanrozenheim
a particular area ("interregnum") is a possibility to create a new
(gay) state. Such an action would require military and police
infrastructure to enforce new order and provide personal and
proprietary safety for the inhabitants. Means, heavy weapons have to be
stored and a standing army be entertained, waiting for the D-day. Such
preparations for a war of aggression (which it clearly would be) are
punishable by the criminal codes of most countries and could be
performed only on an operation base located in an area with no
functioning law enforcement. The effective strategy would be to
emigrate into the instable area and secure the initial base by a couple
of Kalashnikoffs. Then buy even more Kalashnikoffs and let even more
people emigrate, and so on, untill you have enough manpower and money
to buy dozens of Leopards, and a couple of Su-27. Such a strategy may
succeed, if you have strongly motivated supporters who give little
value upon their own lives in comparison with the idea. E.g., Israelis
successfully took advantage of an "interregnum" in Palestine, or
Talibans successfully defeated Soviets with financial help of the US
government and then ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001. There ARE
actually some states in the condition of desintegration at the present
timepoint: Somalia and Iraque are WAITING for a new rule or could serve
as donor of territory. The question is, whether such a way appears
desireable to the gay people?
The alternative is an evolutionary approach: land aquisition under
existing law, by and by creation of own (gay) civil administration, and
secession to an appropriate timepoint, if possible without blood shed.
An area distant from the mother country would be highly suitable, as
colonies mostly cost money and are tiresome to oppress for a long
period of time. This way offers real improvements to real people during
their life-times, though, of course, the success cannot be guaranteed
from the initial time point as well.
In both conceptions, an international (better term: interstatal)
organization of gay people is crucial for the succes of the enterprise.
An isolated independent gay village-state with 2000 citizens will for
sure serve best these 2000 lucky guys, but be pretty useless and
meaningless for the gay population at large. The increasing cultural
progress and within the entire community is one of our primary goals.
This can only be achieved by an effective and fruitful cooperation
within the gay diaspora - if we learn to understand us a true people.
The gay state, as I see it, would be an important part of the movement
and a place of refuge, piligrimage and study - but the most gays will
live "abroad" and must be involved into the network as well.
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> The alternative is an evolutionary approach: land aquisition under
> existing law, by and by creation of own (gay) civil administration, and
> secession to an appropriate timepoint, if possible without blood shed.
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 27
January 5,2006
An original historical model which has been the object of a study here
at the seat of the
GPR is the Polish underground state of WWII.We have heard rumors to the
effect that the history of that state was taught already at the
secondary school level nowadays in Poland.We are now trying to contact
people by way of our Polish language sector of activity,in this
newsgroup and in the thread titled "Polskie panstwo podziemne" (Polish
underground state).If the wheel already exists,why invent it anew.If
some historical model
of parallel statehood has been evolved somewhere,why not study it
instead of raking our brains in inventing what already exists.If poles
answer the above mentionned thread,
we shall prepare a commentary in English of whatever positive aspect
which will result from our exchanges with them.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
January 15,2006
One method which would determine without possibility of appeal a sexual
orientation
corresponding exactly to the interests of a gay macrostate would
consist for one sex
to secede from the other,at the same time it secedes from the
heterosexuals.In a
country composed exclusively of individuals of one sex,heterosexuality
would become
an impossibility.Such a scenario is not part of any aim of our Republic
and never was.But we have come to regard it as a possible consequence
and by-product of our political activity,unintended since our Republic
grants the status of gay regardless of
sex and under equal and universal conditions.We have however no part in
a distance
to the heterosexual privilege which may differ from one sex to
another,and which may
delay the participation of one sex to a gay quest for
self-determination as we understand
it.
K6
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
January 22,2006
Technically speaking,gays who are present outside our micronational
territory aren`t citizens of the GPR.Our micronational territory is
located in north America.And having
been focussed for the most part of our existence as a micronation on
our internal and
domestic development,we have not given much though to the political
status and role
of those gays who are outside our territory.Part of the solution to
this void could eventually originate in suggestions and proposals from
their part.
vanrozenheim
formal proclamations of souvereign entities until the day when we can
do so rightfully and with a minimum of collateral damage. It is
suggested to establish some kind of formal organization to enable us to
act in official capacity on the macropolitical stage. The statutes of
the proposed organization shall be subject of further discussions,
examples can be accessed e.g here: http://gayhomeland.org/archive.htm
K6
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
January 23,2006
You shall forgive this delay in our answering to you.We had a quota of
activity in languages other than English to fullfill.Now that it is
done,we shall say this.The best course of action would consist to leave
things as they are now.To let them develop informally untill we can
draw more formal conclusions.The GLR and the GPR should remain separate
organizations.The GLR has no real interest in being identified with the
admitedly more radical views of the GPR.In a reciprocal manner,the GPR
prefers not to be identified as a moderate gay political actor.The same
with other participants in the forum of the GLR.We would prefer to see
them develop as independent political actors,
in the respective parts of the world from which they hail.Thus and
together,we would not present an eventual opposition to our designs
with a single head to chop off,but with an hydra.
K6
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
January 28,2006
Following up on Message # 30 from our English language sector of
activity,we of the GPR prefer to see first over which type of
demographic regime the GLR`s participants will develop a consensus.The
GPR has opted for a concept of human reproduction entirely under the
aegis of society.It is the considerate opinion of the GPR that where
private initiative in reproductive matters has failed,society must
compensate and thus intervene.An there is no doubt that a reproductive
structure based on the family unit
which produce only 5% of gays has entirely failed to serve the interest
of the gay people
and therefore should not continue to exist in an eventual gay
macrostate.
vanrozenheim
people in what kind ever interested in the promotion of gay
separationism/gay nationalism. It would not be correct to pretend that
this community is a micronation. Our intention is to become one of the
germs of the gay nation, by the means of offering a forum for various
interested parties. Thus the GLR is an informal association of more or
less like-minded individuals.
The formal organization would be helpful, however, to promote the idea
by advaced means: advertisments, publishing books, printing propaganda
material and the like. Also we could engage on the macropolitical stage
as an increasingly important acter. At the moment we are even not on
that level of organization, which every local club of rabbit' growers
has.
As far as the political agenda is concerned, there is indeed a certain
degree of discrepance between the "inofficial leadership" of the GLR
and the GPR. It's true, our views on reproduction and definition of
"gay" are partly very different. This should not prohibit us from a
fruitfull discussion of these views, giving us and others the chance to
critically re-view our positions and close gaps in our respective
argumentative lines.
Beyound any political differences, we can and should cooperate in the
cultural area - there we have much in common.
vanrozenheim
http://forum.gayrepublic.org .
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> As far as the political agenda is concerned, there is indeed a certain
> degree of discrepance between the "inofficial leadership" of the GLR
> and the GPR. It's true, our views on reproduction and definition of
> "gay" are partly very different. This should not prohibit us from a
> fruitfull discussion of these views, giving us and others the chance to
> critically re-view our positions and close gaps in our respective
> argumentative lines.
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 32
February 4,2006
Historians of the future will probably regard such earliest separatists
gay circles like the GLR or the GPR as starting points of various gay
political parties of a corresponding gay independent State,rather than
embryos of that State itself.Of course,the policies of such parties
shall decide of the viability of the said State on the long
term,especially in such a fundamental field like demographics.While the
GPR is not seeking Statehood and officially denies being a State,it
acts as if it was facing the same responsibilities towards the gay
people,its past generations and its future ones.Which may entail some
measure of sacrifice in present times,which shall find its motivation
in detachment from the things and persons of the present precisely.
vanrozenheim
> Historians of the future will probably regard such earliest separatists
> gay circles like the GLR or the GPR as starting points of various gay
> political parties of a corresponding gay independent State,rather than
> embryos of that State itself.
A State consists not only of the state apparatus, but also of various
public institutions. Political parties and other opinion-shaping
entities (churches etc.) are essential parts of many states. Before a
Gay State (worth of this name) can be established, the task of creation
of a Gay national identity must be accomplished. While being a people,
we are far from being a nation.
The nation includes all the various political and societal diversity,
kept together by the emotional bonds of being a nation. A nation can
not be created by installing a government and issuing passports. A
nation lives from participation of her members in forming the national
identity, from her writers and publishers, from politicians and the
"common folk". Various public and private initiatives keep a nation
together - newspapers, television, historic books, museums and tea
clubs. Certain shared ceremonies and celebrities are an essential part
of national identity as well: ours are the Gay Pride Parades, Gay Games
/ Outgames - we could need a couple of them more.
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> A State consists not only of the state apparatus, but also of various
> public institutions. Political parties and other opinion-shaping
> entities (churches etc.) are essential parts of many states. Before a
> Gay State (worth of this name) can be established, the task of creation
> of a Gay national identity must be accomplished. While being a people,
> we are far from being a nation.
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 33
February 5,2006
We gays have a totally different set of interests in the most important
sphere of demographics.That should be enough to set us into motion in
the proper political
direction,without the support of a national identity.Rather,the
national identity would
be a result,emotional and complementary in nature,of our quest for
self-determination.
If it ever came at all.It is frankly admitted here in the GPR that gays
aren`t a national group,but rather a human and international category
with more time available to achieve its designs,and thus more means
than a traditional nation.We are practical people,interested much more
in the technical and immediate aspects of gay separatism,than in gay
nationalism.
K6
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
February 12,2006
It is the considerate opinion of the GPR that we must have first a
definition of who is gay,embodying a sufficient measure of allegiance
to an homosexual orientation,and
then translating into a coherent and viable independent gay political
body not saddled
with heterosexual interests.Or worse with an heterosexual future which
would consist in a mere repetition of past and disastrous experiences
as far as the interest of the gay people is concerned.
In the GPR,we have had for a long time a definition of who is gay.
Since the GLR has displayed an interest which doesn`t appear to be
negative about the normative system of the GPR,we have the pleasure of
communicating you the definition of a gay individual as it exists at
present in the GPR.This of course is a translation,as
the original text of the normative system of the GPR is in French.
Three provisions of the normative system of the GPR define who is or
isn`t gay.
The first reads as "Is to be regarded as gay anyone who displays
exclusive or predominant homosexual tendencies" (Code of the
GPR,art.71,law of march 25,1979).The second reads as "Is not to be
regarded as gay within the meaning of the present code anyone who has a
descendance,without it being demonstrated or obvious that such a
descendance was acquired outside the practice of heterosexuality" (Code
of the GPR,art.72,law of october 13,1991).The third provision reads as
"Homosexuality does not encompasses the wearing of the displaying of
attributes of the opposite sex,
nor the will or the desire to belong to that sex" (Code of the
GPR,art.25,law of
october 16,1991).
Under those provisions,members of sexual minorities other than gay are
generally regarded as heterosexuals,notwithstanding their homosexual
interests.Likewise,no
parent has yet qualified as gay since art.72 of the Code of the GPR was
adopted.The
GPR asks to see adoption papers or medical records of assisted
reproduction of all so-called gay parents.Failing that,it regards them
as heterosexuals.
vanrozenheim
suspected heterosexual) from fraudulently assuming the precious name
"gay", this much is true. On the other hand, using such tight
definitions would inevitably cause exclusion of many factual
homosexuals from being "gay" contrary to their declared will and
self-perception.
My personal beliefs/definitions can be codified as following:
§ 1. Human beings have an identity, which first allows them to percept
themeselves as persons.
§ 2. Each human being creates his/her/its identity by him/her/itselfe,
depending on the incorporated values and on historical, ethnic, gender
and sexual background.
§ 3. The human identity is subject of permanent development and
re-construction, since humans learn in the pace of their lives and may
re-think their values with progressed knowledges and life experience.
§ 4. Human beings can be born as biological males, females or
intersexuals (hermaphrodites).
§ 5. The intersexuality is a complex issue and is subject of current
medical research. The state has a duty to protect intersexual
individuals from operative treatment directed towards arbitrary
adjustment either to the "male" or "female" habitus. Due to its
complexity, the issue ought be treated separately.
§ 6. The cultural definition as a "man" or a "woman" is a societal
invention, connected to certain social roles, and does not entirely
correspond with the biological appearence of human beings.
§ 7. In case the self-perception as a "man" or a "woman" is contrary
to the biological gender of the individual, the person is called
transgender (transsexual). Any fancy attitude of wearing specific cloth
or body decoration does not classify the person as being of particular
gender.
§ 8. An individual is free to identify his/her/itself as a "man" or a
"woman", as somewhere in between, as being of the "third sex", or
completely refuse to assume a gender identity.
§ 9. Intersexuals and transgender ought be treated separetely,
therefore §§ 10-13 do not apply to them.
§ 10. Men and women typically can be sexually attracted to ether the
opposite sex, to their own sex, or to both sexes. They can be
accordingly roughly classified as heterosexuals, homosexuals or
bisexuals.
§11. The actual sexual behavior does not necessarily correspond with
the inner sexual orientation of a person. Juvenile homosexuals are
often socialized as heterosexuals and pressed into heterosexual
behaviour, inclusive heterosexual marriage and "natural" procreation.
Homosexual acts between intrinsic heterosexuals (as they occur e.g. in
prisons or in the army) do not entail re-classification of these
individuals as homo- or bisexuals.
§ 12. Male and female homosexuals who are aware of their sexuality and
regard it to be an important part of their identity, are gays or
lesbians respectively. Previous heterosexual experiences, descendency
or closeted lifestile in strongly hostile environment do not constitute
impedimenta to being gay or lesbian. Homosexuals who participate in
activities directed against homo-, bi-, intersexuals and transgenders
as a group are not gay or lesbian.
§ 13. Being gay or lesbian makes an individual eligible to gain
affiliation to a territorial or non-territorial gay-lesbian political
entity ("gay state"). The affiliation requires assertion of being gay
or lesbian and an avowal towards the gay state.
§ 14. Bisexuals, intersexuals and transgender can gain affiliation to
a territorial or non-territorial gay-lesbian political entity ("gay
state"), if their individual case fits rather into homosexual pattern
than into heterosexual one. They must provide an avowal towards the gay
state as well.
§ 15. Human beings have the right to freely discover their sexuality
complying to their individual biological and mental development.
Pressing on a child to correspond with pre-defined sexual role behavior
violates the right for sexual self-determination. Sexual intercourse
with pre-adolescent individuals violates their right for sexual
self-determination and might cause severe emotional distress or serious
mental problems. Enforcing sexual intercourse against the will of a
person is a very severe crime. Offenders shall be prosecuted
considering the age of the victim and the actual harm they have caused.
§16. The gay state must provide asylum to any person persecuted
because of sexual orientation or sexual identity, even if this person
does not fulfill the conditions for becoming a citizen.
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> Your definitions are very effective in preventing any heterosexual (or
> suspected heterosexual) from fraudulently assuming the precious name
> "gay", this much is true. On the other hand, using such tight
> definitions would inevitably cause exclusion of many factual
> homosexuals from being "gay" contrary to their declared will and
> self-perception.
(Note: mr. Zimmerman - aka vanrozenheim - posts messages from Germany)
GAY PARALLELREPUBLIK (GPR)
Auswartige Angelegenheiten
Deutschesprachige Abteilung
Nachricht # 4
13 februar 2006
Antwort (in Englisch) am der folgende forum:
http://forum.gayrepublic.org
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> §16. The gay state must provide asylum to any person persecuted
> because of sexual orientation or sexual identity, even if this person
> does not fulfill the conditions for becoming a citizen.
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 35
February 15,2006
In self-determination,as practiced in our micronation,heterosexuals no
longer determine who is gay.And by inference,would not determine who is
to become a permanent resident of an eventual gay macrostate.It is
possible that heterosexuals may disown certain people or categories of
their own orientation,deeming them not heterosexual enough.But this is
an internal problem of the heterosexual society and culture,in which
gays have no political responsibility whatsoever.A place whose
demographic make-up would be determined by heterosexuals,through the
exclusion or other heterosexuals,would not
be a gay country but an heterosexual colony.If heterosexual dissidents
want to set up a macrostate of their own,it is perfectly fine with us
so long that this does not occur at the expense of a gay geopolitical
entity,either micro or macro.We,of the GPR,aren`t dissidents of the
hetro regime but opponents to that regime,consequent enought to have
declined any adhesion to the lifestyle entailed in the said regime.
vanrozenheim
K6 schrieb:
> In self-determination,as practiced in our micronation,heterosexuals no
> longer determine who is gay.And by inference,would not determine who is
> to become a permanent resident of an eventual gay macrostate.It is
> possible that heterosexuals may disown certain people or categories of
> their own orientation,deeming them not heterosexual enough.But this is
> an internal problem of the heterosexual society and culture,in which
> gays have no political responsibility whatsoever. [..]
I see your point. On the other hand, we are free to include those
deviants into the larger category "queer" and regard them as "our
people" as well. Certainly, some gay men would not acknowledge even
lesbians as their co-citizens (and vice versa), but it is my
understanding that at large there is a certain feeling of belonging to
ONE PEOPLE, namely the GLBT people. Of course, any group is free to
form an entity based solely on the "G" part of GLBT, or solely on the
"L" part. Alone, I think we would have better chances to prevail on
macropolitical stage with united forces. Beyound this I believe that
gays as the larger part of the "G+L+T" have certain ethical
responsibilities towards the less numerous "L+T" community. Of course,
those who identify themselves as transsexual heterosexuals do not fall
into our responsibility.
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> I see your point. On the other hand, we are free to include those
> deviants into the larger category "queer" and regard them as "our
> people" as well. Certainly, some gay men would not acknowledge even
> lesbians as their co-citizens (and vice versa), but it is my
> understanding that at large there is a certain feeling of belonging to
> ONE PEOPLE, namely the GLBT people.
(Vanrozenheim posts from Germany.Our micronation therefore answers him
in German)
GAY PARALLELREPUBLIK (GPR)
Auswärtige Angelegenheiten
Deutschesprachige Abteilung
Nachricht # 5
18 februar 2006
Das GBT is nicht ein volk.Das GL,möglich.Das werden wir ja sehen.
vanrozenheim
K6
vanrozenheim a écrit :
> Yes, lesbians and gays by times are really different. :)
GAY PARALLEL REPUBLIC (GPR)
External Affairs
English language sector of activity
Message # 37
February 21,2006
Whereas the GPR does not pursue such an aim like outright gay secession
from heterosexuals at the moment,it nevertheless regards it as
something feasible.It is
certainly feasible if a wide range of scenarios are contemplated,in
view of various
situations which could arise out of the conditions of real
life.Idealy,gays regardless
of sex should be part of a secession from the heterosexuals.But the
secession could
prove impossible in the sense of establishing the original base for a
gay State,if one sex
was not allowed to go first,thus seceding at least temporarily from the
other.If hypothetically one sex profited from the hethro regime more
than the other,it could at first show some hesitation to renounce what
it has acquired by way of the hethro privilege and of a certain ancient
trade.And thus disagree with the separatist designs of the other
sex,which has no intention to continue under political independence and
self-determination the type of unequal relations which existed
previously under the hethro regime.We must be thorough here in our
analysis of the respective material and economic situation of
individuals,particularly with respect to their sex.