Statist health care, by the numbers
Dionysus
HEAD: Statist health care, by the numbers:
0: The number of unrehearsed, unscripted questions asked of President Obama
during his "Town Hall" on health care reform.
13: The number of teeth that British veteran Ian Boynton pulled out himself
with pliers "because he couldn't find an NHS (National Health Service)
dentist. [he] could not afford to go private for treatment so instead took
the drastic action to remove 13 of his teeth that were giving him severe
pain."
14: The percentage of all patients in Britain who wait more than one (1)
year to receive treatment after a referral by a general practitioner. Half
of all National Health Care patients in Britain wait between 18 and 52 weeks
for treatment.
37: The "health care ranking" assigned to the U.S. by the World Health
Organization among the world's countries. This oft-quoted number is used to
justify an overhaul of the U.S. health care system and lists countries like
Italy (2), Andorra (4), Malta (5), Singapore (6), Oman (8), Portugal (12),
Greece (14), the United Kingdom (18), Ireland (19), Columbia (22), Cyprus
(24), Saudi Arabia (26), the UAE (27), Morocco (29), Canada (30), Chile
(33), the Dominican Republic (35) and Costa Rica (36) ahead of the U.S.
Considering that no U.S. citizens travel to these countries when
experiencing a life-threatening situation, it's worth questioning the
methods by which the WHO arrived at these rankings. Their criteria included
subjective and political assessments such as "Fairness in financial
contribution". Suffice it to say that the WHO's rankings are clearly
fraudulent and are designed to influence U.S. policy.
60: Average cancer survival rate percentage (all types) for patients in the
United States. Canada's survival rate is significantly lower at 55%, while
Europe's is a dismal 48%.
81: Average percentage of those who survive a diagnosis of prostate cancer
in the United States versus 43% in Britain under their National Health
Service.
90: Number of days, on average, each Canadian patient must wait for an MRI
under the Canadian government-run health care system.
750: The estimated number of people waiting in line (in the pouring rain) at
Britain's Bury Office attempting to register for dental care.
2050: By this year, "Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (health care for
the poor) will consume nearly the entire federal budget." And by
2082, Medicare spending alone will consume the entire federal budget. This
trajectory is, quite obviously, unsustainable for our children and our
grandchildren. Congress is bequeathing our descendents a bankrupt health
care system - for just the third of the medical system that the government
already runs!
10,000: Number of Canadian breast cancer patients to file a class action
lawsuit against Quebec's hospitals because, on average, they were forced to
wait 60 days to begin post-operative radiation treatments.
280,392: The number of jobs that employers would shed if government levied
an employer mandate, requiring them to insure all employees. A 2007 study by
Katherine Baicker of Harvard University and Helen Levy of the University of
Michigan ("Employer Health Insurance Mandates and the Risk of Unemployment")
found that "0.2 percent of all full-time workers and 1.4 percent of
uninsured full-time workers would lose their jobs if a health insurance
mandate were written into law. Workers who would lose their jobs are
disproportionately likely to be high school dropouts, minority, and female."
443,849: The number of British patients of the National Healthcare Service
(NHS) who waited four or more weeks for inpatient admittance into a hospital
(Excel file) in May of 2009 (more than 75% of all patients).
1,500,000: The number of Canadians who do not have - and cannot find - a
general practitioner/primary care physician due to shortages in medical
staff: "In Norwood, Ontario, 20/20 videotaped a town clerk pulling the names
of the lucky winners out of a lottery box. The losers must wait to see a
doctor. Shirley Healy, like many sick Canadians, came to America for
surgery. Her doctor in British Columbia told her she had only a few weeks to
live because a blocked artery kept her from digesting food. Yet Canadian
officials called her surgery 'elective.' .'The only thing elective about
this surgery was I elected to live,' she said."
12,000,000: number of illegal immigrants who would qualify for free health
care and - in all likelihood - additional health care rights for relatives
under the Democrats' universal health care plan, according to a reported
statement by the office of Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and spokespeople for
the racial separatist group La Raza.
$311,000,000 ($311 million): The amount of additional funding requested last
month by the Obama administration simply to combat Medicare fraud. Medicare
fraud is estimated at $60 billion annually.
$3,600,000,000 ($3.6 billion): The amount of added malpractice insurance
costs to the current health care system instigated by an out-of-control
trial lawyer lobby that donates heavily to Democrat causes.
$10,000,000,000 ($10 billion): The estimated amount of Medicaid fraud, based
upon FBI estimates. Criminal practices include billing for nonexistent,
overstated, or unnecessary services, kickbacks to patients, inflated costs,
etc.
$60,000,000,000 ($60 billion): The estimated annual amount of Medicare
fraud, due to widespread criminal operations that victimize taxpayers and
specialize in dead doctors, fake patients, non-existent treatments and the
like.
$107,000,000,000,000 ($107 trillion): The estimated shortfall of the
Medicare and Social Security programs, which are utterly and completely
bankrupt; they can be legitimately called an "enormous version of Bernard
Madoff's Ponzi scheme".
Canada and England don't pay as high a price for their health care because
they freeload on American innovation. If we utilized their systems,
Americans might worry less about paying for health care, but we'd get
2009-level care and long lines. Those are the immutable laws of supply and
demand. Government monopolies don't innovate. Only the free market
innovates.
Furthermore, government bureaucrats already raped the Social Security Trust
Fund - there is no trust fund. They raped the Medicare Trust Fund - there's
nothing left. They raped the Highway Trust Fund - it's empty. I could go
down a long list of things the government said it would do, but hasn't done.
Because the big government statists are liars. They even moved these massive
expenditures "off the books" to conceal the damage they've done.
And now the Democrat Party, the union bosses and the trial lawyers are
launching the most massive attack on the American people in the history of
government.
They promise health care for everyone, but they will not - and they can't
possibly - deliver it. The numbers don't lie.
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"I doubt whether there are many Americans who think Congress has either the
right or competency to choose where they live, what clothes they wear or
what cars they drive. Yet many Americans stand ready to allow Congress to
decide what doctors they go to and what treatments they receive. We forget
that once we have government-sponsored health care, it can be used to
justify almost any restraint on liberty." --Walter E. Williams
"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are
evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it" --Albert
Einstein
Dionysus
Michael Coburn
> FROM HOTAIR.COM
>
> HEAD: Statist health care, by the numbers:
>
> 0: The number of unrehearsed, unscripted questions asked of President
> Obama
> during his "Town Hall" on health care reform.
>
> 13: The number of teeth that British veteran Ian Boynton pulled out
> himself with pliers "because he couldn't find an NHS (National Health
> Service) dentist. [he] could not afford to go private for treatment so
> instead took the drastic action to remove 13 of his teeth that were
> giving him severe pain."
I didn't know that dental stuff was part of the current legislation...
> 14: The percentage of all patients in Britain who wait more than one (1)
> year to receive treatment after a referral by a general practitioner.
> Half of all National Health Care patients in Britain wait between 18 and
> 52 weeks for treatment.
Good thing we aren't trying to copy the British system.
> 37: The "health care ranking" assigned to the U.S. by the World Health
> Organization among the world's countries. This oft-quoted number is used
> to justify an overhaul of the U.S. health care system and lists
> countries like Italy (2), Andorra (4), Malta (5), Singapore (6), Oman
> (8), Portugal (12), Greece (14), the United Kingdom (18), Ireland (19),
> Columbia (22), Cyprus (24), Saudi Arabia (26), the UAE (27), Morocco
> (29), Canada (30), Chile (33), the Dominican Republic (35) and Costa
> Rica (36) ahead of the U.S. Considering that no U.S. citizens travel
> to
> these countries when experiencing a life-threatening situation, it's
> worth questioning the methods by which the WHO arrived at these
> rankings. Their criteria included subjective and political assessments
> such as "Fairness in financial contribution". Suffice it to say that the
> WHO's rankings are clearly fraudulent and are designed to influence U.S.
> policy.
It was probably influenced by price/performance. Like what do we get for
what we pay.
> 60: Average cancer survival rate percentage (all types) for patients in
> the United States. Canada's survival rate is significantly lower at 55%,
> while Europe's is a dismal 48%.
http://books.google.com/books?id=McL2UV9_QGUC&pg=PA175&lpg=PA175&dq=canada
+U.S.+%22cancer+survival+rate%
22&source=bl&ots=xyNAtjTbap&sig=2514ZvXUmHvNyyq0NZn4lFQah8g&hl=en&ei=4tlUSpPMFoSIsgP0xP2ZDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2
Then compare the costs and also look at the fact that the Canadian system
can be improved by direct (class action suits) and indirect (voting)
actions by the people themselves.
> 81: Average percentage of those who survive a diagnosis of prostate
> cancer in the United States versus 43% in Britain under their National
> Health Service.
http://www.emaxhealth.com/51/23285.html
My physician remarked that a great many men die with prostate cancer, but
not very many die _OF_ prostate cancer.
> 90: Number of days, on average, each Canadian patient must wait for an
> MRI under the Canadian government-run health care system.
This is probably OK. Its called triage and proper scheduling of costly
equipment. If the Canadians vote to increase the budget for MRI's then
they will get shorter wait times. They are not deprived of the MRI's,
they simply have to wait longer. It is a hell of a lot less expensive
that way.
> 750: The estimated number of people waiting in line (in the pouring
> rain) at Britain's Bury Office attempting to register for dental care.
I'm not aware of dental care (of Britain) being made a part of any health
care proposal here in the United States and so I wonder why this is
here. One wonders why the lying filth on the right keeps bemoaning a
system that we are not attempting to emulate.
> 2050: By this year, "Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid (health care
> for the poor) will consume nearly the entire federal budget."
A Simple LIE seems to work best for the Republicans. It will be a very
cool day in hell when INCOME TAX SUPPORTED medical care trumps the
military budget. The SS and Medicare programs are not actually part of
the @!^&R#^%@R&(&* budget. These programs are OFF BUDGET. But the
lying pigs will lie, and lie, and lie.
> And by
> 2082, Medicare spending alone will consume the entire federal budget.
> This trajectory is, quite obviously, unsustainable for our children and
> our grandchildren. Congress is bequeathing our descendents a bankrupt
> health care system - for just the third of the medical system that the
> government already runs!
And the bigger the LIE the better.
> 10,000: Number of Canadian breast cancer patients to file a class action
> lawsuit against Quebec's hospitals because, on average, they were forced
> to wait 60 days to begin post-operative radiation treatments.
What a marvelous way to get such crap fixed. I can see a lot of
viability on this control mechanism. It isn't the same as malpractice
suits because it is a suit against something that is undeniably broken
and something that can be fixed. What will happen is that SCIENCE will
weigh in and decide whether this delay is statistically costing lives or
not. If it is then it will get fixed. The statistics say that the
problem WILL be fixed.
> 280,392: The number of jobs that employers would shed if government
> levied an employer mandate, requiring them to insure all employees.
> A
> 2007 study by Katherine Baicker of Harvard University and Helen Levy of
> the University of Michigan ("Employer Health Insurance Mandates and the
> Risk of Unemployment") found that "0.2 percent of all full-time workers
> and 1.4 percent of uninsured full-time workers would lose their jobs if
> a health insurance mandate were written into law. Workers who would lose
> their jobs are disproportionately likely to be high school dropouts,
> minority, and female."
This is a nit. But what else do the Republicans have? If the government
was to do single payer then all people employed in the current health
insurance sector of the economy would be jobless. Nonetheless, that is
the proper solution because those people are not adding any value to the
society at all. The problem of unemployment must be met in other ways.
> 443,849: The number of British patients of the National Healthcare
> Service (NHS) who waited four or more weeks for inpatient admittance
> into a hospital (Excel file) in May of 2009 (more than 75% of all
> patients).
Good this we aren't trying to copy that system.
> 1,500,000: The number of Canadians who do not have - and cannot find - a
> general practitioner/primary care physician due to shortages in medical
> staff: "In Norwood, Ontario, 20/20 videotaped a town clerk pulling the
> names of the lucky winners out of a lottery box. The losers must wait to
> see a doctor. Shirley Healy, like many sick Canadians, came to America
> for surgery. Her doctor in British Columbia told her she had only a few
> weeks to live because a blocked artery kept her from digesting food. Yet
> Canadian officials called her surgery 'elective.' .'The only thing
> elective about this surgery was I elected to live,' she said."
The number of Canadians who have not bothered to "find" a primary care
provider because they are young and full of piss and vinegar and healthy
as can be is probably 1,499,999. That leaves one person who "cannot
find" a provider.
> 12,000,000: number of illegal immigrants who would qualify for free
> health care and - in all likelihood - additional health care rights for
> relatives under the Democrats' universal health care plan, according to
> a reported statement by the office of Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and
> spokespeople for the racial separatist group La Raza.
And the solution to this problem comes in two forms:
1. Make the employers of these illegal aliens pay for the health care
costs/insurance.
AND/OR
2. Levy HUGE fines on those who employ illegal aliens.
> $311,000,000 ($311 million): The amount of additional funding requested
> last month by the Obama administration simply to combat Medicare fraud.
> Medicare fraud is estimated at $60 billion annually.
VERY GOOD WAY TO HOLD DOWN COSTS. Lets make sure that the punishment for
the crime is severe.
> $3,600,000,000 ($3.6 billion): The amount of added malpractice insurance
> costs to the current health care system instigated by an out-of-control
> trial lawyer lobby that donates heavily to Democrat causes.
A Republican WHIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE that has NOTHING
to do with single payer health insurance or a public option.
> $10,000,000,000 ($10 billion): The estimated amount of Medicaid fraud,
> based upon FBI estimates. Criminal practices include billing for
> nonexistent, overstated, or unnecessary services, kickbacks to patients,
> inflated costs, etc.
So enforcement and punishment is the key. Very large fines should be
used as much as possible and the proceeds from the fines used to fund the
enforcement. If it is criminal then why is it not being punished?
> $60,000,000,000 ($60 billion): The estimated annual amount of Medicare
> fraud, due to widespread criminal operations that victimize taxpayers
> and specialize in dead doctors, fake patients, non-existent treatments
> and the like.
Same solution as always. Enforce the laws.
> $107,000,000,000,000 ($107 trillion): The estimated shortfall of the
> Medicare and Social Security programs, which are utterly and completely
> bankrupt; they can be legitimately called an "enormous version of
> Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme".
Looks like we need to remove the caps on these taxes, consolidate the
health care system, and enforce the laws.
> Canada and England don't pay as high a price for their health care
> because they freeload on American innovation.
True story... We need to change the way we do research and trials.
> If we utilized their
> systems, Americans might worry less about paying for health care, but
> we'd get 2009-level care and long lines. Those are the immutable laws of
> supply and demand. Government monopolies don't innovate. Only the free
> market innovates.
Another lie. Until 1980 there was a very healthy government grant system
operating in the universities that accomplished a lot of medical
research. That system needs to be reinstated on a world wide basis such
that ALL countries pay for research and innovation. The system should be
dramatically expanded to also cover clinical trials and the patent system
for medicine needs to be abandoned.
The problem is fundamentalism. The Republican mind is simply incapable
of seeing the universe in any way other way than through their tunnel
vision preconceived religious attachment to competition and greed.
Medical care, and indeed, most insurance systems are better managed as
the social systems they are. Republicans try to force these into their
fundamentalist "FREE MARKET" straight jacket, and it doesn't work.
> Furthermore, government bureaucrats already raped the Social Security
> Trust Fund - there is no trust fund.
The RAPE was conducted primarily by our good pals Allen Greenspan, and
Ron the Con Reagan as they increased FICA taxes and gave tax breaks to
the rich. There _IS_ a trust fund and it is what the rich bitches owe
the producer class. The time has coming to repay that debt. The
Republicans are desperately trying to dismantle that system before the
bills come due.
> They raped the Medicare Trust Fund
> - there's nothing left.
"they" would be the Republicans, because in 1998 that was not the case.
The trust fund had not yet been raped, had a positive balance, and a
positive cash flow.
http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t990422a.html
And again, the Republicans raped the producing class by granting tax cuts
to the rich and shifting money out of the fund to help hide the theft and
by promoting a fake economy based on debt, debt, debt and chickenshit
wages.
> They raped the Highway Trust Fund - it's empty.
Yup... The Republicans strike again:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Highway_Trust_Fund_(United_States) --
"Since 2000, there have been at least half a dozen attempts by individual
members of Congress to suspend the federal gas tax, which raises money to
repair and expand the highway system. All have failed." [4]
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The fund didn't go bust until 2008. It was fat and fine in the 90's
> I could go down a long list of things the government said it would do,
> but hasn't done. Because the big government statists are liars.
Mostly, Republicans are liars.
> They
> even moved these massive expenditures "off the books" to conceal the
> damage they've done.
The opposite is actually the truth. Programs are managed "off budget" in
order to make damned sure that the cheaters do not filch the revues that
are supposed to be directed at a certain program and spend that revenue
somewhere else. If Medicare is in trouble than Medicare taxes need to be
increased and broadened. All monies paid out must be separately
accounted and justified and fraud must be policed and punished. The
Social Security trust fund is the money the UNEARNED income recipients
OWE to the producer segment of the economy. It has to do with
accountability.
> And now the Democrat Party, the union bosses and the trial lawyers are
> launching the most massive attack on the American people in the history
> of government.
The lies never stop. The trial lawyers are not a part of the current
legislation, and the unions are the only voice the producer segment has
that can come anywhere close to looking out for the wage earners. And the
wage earners are, in fact, the majority of the American people.
> They promise health care for everyone, but they will not - and they
> can't possibly - deliver it. The numbers don't lie. *****************
The garbage and the lies of the rightards just never stop.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
Lamont Cranston
> Government monopolies don't innovate. Only the free market
> innovates.
Sure, Denis. Inovations such as the Internet, right? Or
space travel?
ROTFL!
Logan Rathbone
It was Netscape's innovation that truly brought the Internet (well, the
web, anyway) into the mainstream and got *people* to *care* about it...
Dionysus
news:slrnh5c274...@localhost.localdomain...
That's all right...we all understand Lamont's brain is indeed clouded by the
shadow of cranial/anal ignorance.
Dionysus
Lamont Cranston
Actually, it was the Mosaic browser that truly brought the
Internet into the mainstream. The the Mosaic browser was
created by Marc Andreessen while he attended the University
of Illinois. It was at the University of Illinois that
Andreessen worked at the National Center for Supercomputing
Applications (NCSA) and developed Mosaic with Eric Bina.
NCSA is a state-federal partnership to develop and deploy
national-scale cyberinfrastructure that advances science and
engineering. In other words, NCSA is a government creation.
The Mosaic browser ultimately became the Netscape browser.
Lamont Cranston
What we understand, Denis, is that you are as ignorant about
the creation of the Internet as you are about everything
else.
It was the Mosaic browser that truly brought the Internet
into the mainstream. The Mosaic browser was created by Marc
Andreessen while he attended the University of Illinois. It
was at the University of Illinois that Andreessen worked at
the National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
and developed Mosaic with Eric Bina. NCSA is a
state-federal partnership to develop and deploy
national-scale cyberinfrastructure that advances science and
engineering. In other words, NCSA is a government creation.
The Mosaic browser subsequently evolved into the Netscape
browser. So, the Netscape browser was an innovation of
government.
You are wrong again, asshole.
Logan Rathbone
> In article <slrnh5c274...@localhost.localdomain>,
> handled images better than lynx.
Haha, too true!
Obligatory quote from a comment in the Communicator source code that was
purged by Netscape's lawyers prior to the Mozilla source code release:
<quote>
OPTION menu sucks. X sucks. GUI sucks. Navigator sucks. Lynx rules.
</quote>
See more here: http://www.jwz.org/doc/censorzilla.html
Dionysus
"Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont....@WhoKnowsWhatEvilLurksInTheHeartsOfRepugs.com> wrote in
message news:h357iq$co6$1...@news.datemas.de...
Dim One, it wasn't me who wrote that about the creators of the Internet. You
are easily confused, ain't cha, asswipe. You must try harder to keep up, or
you'll never get that
pre-school/daycare GED.
Dionysus
>
Lamont Cranston
Denis, it was you who said: "Government monopolies don't
innovate. Only the free market innovates." I proved that
much innovation is done within the government and that you
are full of shit. You spew so much shit that you can't even
remember it. You must try harder to keep up, Denis, or you
won't get into kindergarten, you fucking moron.
lorad
> FROM HOTAIR.COM
>
> HEAD: Statist health care, by the numbers:
Forty five Million US citizens without any healthcare is BAD.
Universal health care is Better.
Dionysus
"Lamont Cranston"
<Lamont....@WhoKnowsWhatEvilLurksInTheHeartsOfRepugs.com> wrote in
You are well trained, aren't you. Now, lay down and whine like the groveling
cur you are. Good dog.
Dionysus
>
Dionysus
"lorad" <lora...@cs.com> wrote in message
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Um...you baby snookums like universal health care...never have to grow up,
have adult take care of baby snookums all of life.
Dionysus
ray
"Dionysus" <no.sur...@never.net> wrote:
Well you are all incorrect. It was Al Gore who invented the internet.
So there....
--
Barock Insane Obama: The greatest joke America ever played on itself.
ray
<a78d3e29-7bc7-4697...@t33g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
lorad <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
And out of those 45 million, many are either illegal aliens or young
adults who have access to healthcare, but otherwise refuse it for a
higher rate of pay by their employer.
David Johnston
>In article
><a78d3e29-7bc7-4697...@t33g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>,
> lorad <lora...@cs.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 8, 5:21�am, "Dionysus" <no.surren...@never.net> wrote:
>> > FROM HOTAIR.COM
>> >
>> > HEAD: �Statist health care, by the numbers:
>>
>> Forty five Million US citizens without any healthcare is BAD.
>> Universal health care is Better.
>
>And out of those 45 million, many are either illegal aliens
None. Illegal aliens aren't U.S. citizens.