REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND SENATE
Ray Cathcart
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Wendy Manhard
Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
many Republicans!!!
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Wendy Manhard
"It's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that ends up getting wet".
- The Police
Dave O'Shea
: >Ahhhhhhhh.....
: Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
: many Republicans!!!
Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
the corpse just a little harder, a senator from (GA? TN? Mind is slipping)
just announced that he's changing from Democrat to Republican. 53 Republican
senators - count 'em!
The governors' races followed the same pattern; McGovern liberalism was
thrashed beyond recognition by the voters. Ann "lock 'em up!" Richards
was soundly whipped by George "lock, hell - put 'em in tents!" Bush. Here
in NY, Cuomo took only four counties in the entire state - and that's
four of the five boroughs of New York City. New York tossed the bum out
without a second thought.
We certainly haven't seen the end of the Democratic party, but it was given
a stay of execution last night, and told to get back in touch with its
origins.
Now, we gotta keep an eye on the Republicans. If they don't keep up their
end of the bargain, it's up to us to fire every one of them at the end
of their term.
Larry (mentioned by name in the alt.horror.cthulhu FAQ) Mulcahy
(st93...@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu) retched up these words:
: Ahhhhhhhh.....
It's morning in America.
I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
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Anthony Williams
>It's morning in America.
>
>I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
>their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
>
>--
>Larry Mulcahy
No need to worry... Not like Feinstein has any power in a
Republican controlled Senate... 53-47
-Alby
Dave O'Shea
: Dave O'Shea (d...@panix.com) wrote:
: : : Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
: : : many Republicans!!!
: : Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
: : was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
: : gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
: : the corpse just a little harder, a senator from (GA? TN? Mind is slipping)
: : just announced that he's changing from Democrat to Republican. 53 Republican
: : senators - count 'em!
: Welcome to years of Stagnation!
If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
I'll take it.
William Logan
Frank Silbermann
<39r92u$4...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> :
>
>: The governors' races followed the same pattern ...
>: Ann "lock 'em up!" Richards was soundly whipped by
>: George "lock, hell - put 'em in tents!" Bush.
How much of a factor was Gov. Ann Richards threat to veto
legislation to reduce Texas' infringement of its residents'
right to keep _and bear_ arms (CCW reform)?
When Bush promised to sign such legislation, Queen Anne replied,
"If he wants to campaign on a platform of putting more guns
on the street, he's welcome to try." But the 2nd Amendment
Civil Liberties movement did begin to worry her -- just about
every article about her that I've ever seen has her posing with
her shotgun. (The 2nd Amendment, Anne -- it ain't about sportin' goods!)
By the way, how well did Jon Coon do?
DAVID ROBERSON
>William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
>: Welcome to years of Stagnation!
>If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
>I'll take it.
Amen to that. The last two years had me convinced that gridlock was the best
friend of the average American who hoped to hold on to his or her rights for a
bit longer.
Now, I am confident that the Republican legislators just elected are
every bit as greedy and self-serving as the Democrats who were tossed
unceremoniously into the street. However, I also think that the object
lessons contained in yesterday's election can help us keep the Republicans and
the remaining Democrats in line, particularly if we let them know that we're
fully ready to throw this lot out in the street in 1996 unless they produce.
Imagine -- a federal government that would actually work for the benefit of
the people. What a concept.
Let's keep the pressure on -- send letters of congratulations, and let the new
crop know that we're going to be watching, and that we're expecting some
results. The Republicans have been given the ball -- now they'd damn well
better run with it.
Cheers,
David Roberson, who still prefers to vote Libertarian
d...@acpub.duke.edu
Stilt Man
>Welcome to years of Stagnation!
I would call this a premature statement at least. Let's see what happens
first, shall we? This is at least as premature as the various asinine
"Klinton izz ded do0d!!!!!1" posts we're likely to see over the next few
days/weeks/whatever.
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Mel Walker
> William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
> : Welcome to years of Stagnation!
>
> If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
> I'll take it.
You mean like NAFTA? Or does that not count?
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hypotheses." -- Webster's Dictionary
William Logan
So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
passed, that sounds wonderful!
William Logan
: >William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
This is all your going to get for 6 yrs. Bickering, Selfishness, Vetoing, need
I go on?
Well libertarianism, I can see why, the Republics would rather run business
without government regulations so they can get rich and have their workers
treated like shit. Thats the way the libertariansns want too since there
against government interference.
William Logan
Do you really think the Democrats are going to co-operate? I don't think so
and the Republicans will be too interested in themselves to pass any bills for
the common ppl.
gerry harbison
>Wendy Manhard (wend...@recep19.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
>: >Ahhhhhhhh.....
>: Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
>: many Republicans!!!
>Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
>was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
>gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
>the corpse just a little harder, a senator from (GA? TN? Mind is slipping)
>just announced that he's changing from Democrat to Republican. 53 Republican
>senators - count 'em!
Humor me, I just gotta do this.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYY!
I thought we might take control of the house. I hoped, with a few
democratic turncoats, we could take at least effective control of the
house. If you told me we'd have useful majorities in both houses I'd
have said you were smoking something.
How sweet it is.
And Cuomo, the man who more than anyone else caused me to leave New
York, who nearly sent me broke and strangled my university and then
preached to me about education and the needy, is history.
Man, I love this country. 'Course, some days I love it more than
others :-)
>The governors' races followed the same pattern; McGovern liberalism was
>thrashed beyond recognition by the voters. Ann "lock 'em up!" Richards
>was soundly whipped by George "lock, hell - put 'em in tents!" Bush. Here
>in NY, Cuomo took only four counties in the entire state - and that's
>four of the five boroughs of New York City. New York tossed the bum out
>without a second thought.
>We certainly haven't seen the end of the Democratic party, but it was given
>a stay of execution last night, and told to get back in touch with its
>origins.
And dime gets you a dollar they're too stupid to know what hit them.
>Now, we gotta keep an eye on the Republicans. If they don't keep up their
>end of the bargain, it's up to us to fire every one of them at the end
>of their term.
Won't be necessary.
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Keith Glass
>So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
>passed, that sounds wonderful!
What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton Administration is
over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move back
to Arkansas and Tennessee...
D. Citron
: : I'll take it.
: So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
: passed, that sounds wonderful!
YES! By all means. That's what *I* want. Considering the alternative....
As Will Rogers said, "Those who complain about the high cost of
government should be glad we're not getting all the government we're
paying for!"
michael zarlenga
: over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move back
: to Arkansas and Tennessee...
Forget Tennessee, it went completely GOP.
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Alex Carranza
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Don Semmens
Keith Glass <sal...@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote:
>In article <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>passed, that sounds wonderful!
>
>over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move back
>to Arkansas and Tennessee...
And you probably thought Bush was a lock for re-election in March of 1991.
Don Semmens
Richmond, VA
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Michael John Falkner
: : What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton Administration is
: : to Arkansas and Tennessee...
: Forget Tennessee, it went completely GOP.
Methinks the other poster meant so that Al Gore could go home and retire...
Mike
Crider@macmania.pdial.interpath.net Teddy Crider
From: Don Semmens, Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu
Date: 10 Nov 1994 04:22:24 GMT
In article <39s760$1b...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Don Semmens,
Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu writes:
>In article <39s1i4$b...@dgs.dgsys.com>,
>Keith Glass <sal...@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote:
>>In article <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu>
wrote:
>>>So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no
bills
>>>passed, that sounds wonderful!
>>
>>What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton Administration
is
>>over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move
back
>>to Arkansas and Tennessee...
>
>And you probably thought Bush was a lock for re-election in March of
1991.
Bush lost because he broke his promise (No new taxes), Clinton will lose
because he lies, breaks promises, lacks a moral compass, is a wimp in
foreign policy and America is sick of his socialist vision of America.
Did the voters send clinton a message on Tuesday? Damn right!
John G. Otto
> Teddy Crider <Teddy Cri...@macmania.pdial.interpath.net> wrote:
>> Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND SENATE
>> From: Don Semmens, Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu
>> Date: 10 Nov 1994 04:22:24 GMT
>> In article <39s760$1b...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Don Semmens,
>> Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu writes:
>> In article <39s1i4$b...@dgs.dgsys.com>,
>> Keith Glass <sal...@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote:
>>> In article <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>,
>>> William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> wrote:
>>>> So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and
>>>> have no bills passed, that sounds wonderful!
Actually, it does sound relatively wonderful. What would be better
would be if they spent that 6 years repealing laws.
>>> What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton
>>> Administration is over, and all it can really do is wait for
>>> 1996. and then the move back to Arkansas and Tennessee...
>> And you probably thought Bush was a lock for re-election in
>>> March of 1991.
> Bush lost because he broke his promise (No new taxes), Clinton will lose
> because he lies, breaks promises, lacks a moral compass, is a wimp in
> foreign policy and America is sick of his socialist vision of America.
> Did the voters send clinton a message on Tuesday?
> Damn right!
Will he get the clue? Of course not!
He has demonstrated that when he does not want to, he can screw up
his own mind in a futile attempt to avoid reality.
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MARK CASTLEMAN
: >Ahhhhhhhh.....
: Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
: many Republicans!!!
: --
: Wendy Manhard
Now we can get around to serious deficit cutting. No more greedy geezers
sucking money away from hard working family folks. No more belly-aching
so-called "veterans" acting as drag on our economy by constantly being in
a feeding frenzy at the public trough. The first thing the new speaker
should do is eliminate all military pensions, all military "perks",
means-test social security and make all these freeloaders work for a
living.
: "It's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that ends up getting wet".
: - The Police
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Big Dog Brewing Cooperative - West
Sometimes you're the windshield, sometime you're the bug.
DAVID ROBERSON
>This is all your going to get for 6 yrs. Bickering, Selfishness, Vetoing, need
>I go on?
Why 6 years? There's another election in 2 years, and, as I said in my
earlier post, I expect more people to be tossed out then if we don't see
some results.
>Well libertarianism, I can see why, the Republics would rather run business
>without government regulations so they can get rich and have their
>workers treated like shit. Thats the way the libertariansns want too since
>there against government interference.
I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I can't be sure.
Please repost after you've brought your spelling, punctuation, and sentence
construction skills up to the junior high level.
Cheers,
David Roberson
d...@acpub.duke.edu
Jon Noring
>>We certainly haven't seen the end of the Democratic party, but it was given
>>a stay of execution last night, and told to get back in touch with its
>>origins.
>And dime gets you a dollar they're too stupid to know what hit them.
I believe the Democratic party leaders do know what hit them and it won't
faze them. The Democratic party leaders do not care what the majority of
Americans think -- they have their long-term agenda to setup a social welfare
state ("from cradle to grave") and their strong beliefs of "the way things
ought to be, damn the people because we know what's best for them". All of
their obfuscation won't hide these prime motivations behind their very
existence. Their post-election statements reek of arrogance as all they are
talking about now is regaining "power" and "control". Why don't they instead
talk about what the American people *really want*? The reason is, as I just
said, is that they don't care what the American people *want* -- they only
care about instituting their political goals *despite* the American people.
When a person votes for a Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or whatever, they
are *also* voting for the party platform. What's really strange is that you
will find a large segment of our population who hold conservative beliefs, yet
when they go to vote they pull the "Democratic" lever for whatever reason
(there are several). That's why you find the strange situation we've had in
the past of a Democratic Congress and a Republican president.
I'm not sure, but this election did seem to be a mandate against the
Democratic Party and not against incumbents as not *one* national Republican
incumbent lost. I can only speculate that the *real* feelings of the majority
of the American people, who do oppose the long-term agenda of the Democratic
Party, finally expressed themselves. I've believed for years, based on
polls, that the Silent Majority are a lot more conservative than the traditional
strength of the Democratic Party has shown, and that a day of reckoning would
come when the people will see through the obfuscations of the DP and see it
for what it really is -- a "people-be-damned" vehicle to setup a social
welfare state financed by very high, and overly regressive, taxes. I hope the
Silent Majority won't forget this -- if they do, they may revert back to
blindly pulling the "Democrat" lever again to their and their children's
disadvantage.
Jon Noring
(who's moving more and more towards pragmatic libertarianism every day.)
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Sounds good to me.
The fewer bullshit laws, rules, and regulations that the federal government
burdens me with, the better that government is doing, in my opinion.
Jim Graham
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James Graham
> : >William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
Bickering? Perhaps, but it's irrelevant since the dems votes are no longer
necessary to pass any bills.
Vetoing? Probably lots, but then, vetos can be overriden by congress.
So, what was your point?
> Well libertarianism, I can see why, the Republics would rather run business
> without government regulations so they can get rich and have their workers
> treated like shit. Thats the way the libertariansns want too since there
> against government interference.
Ah, the class-envy argument is still alive, I see.
James Graham
> Stilt Man (fol...@monitor.CS.ORST.EDU) wrote:
> : In article <39r92u$4...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> wrote:
> : >Welcome to years of Stagnation!
> Do you really think the Democrats are going to co-operate? I don't think so
> and the Republicans will be too interested in themselves to pass any bills for
> the common ppl.
You mean like making congress answerable to the same laws as the "common
people".
You mean like minimizing frivolous tax increased by requiring 3/5's
vote in the house before the "common people" have to give away more of
what is theirs?
You mean like insuring that parents have control of their childrens'
education?
Oh God! We're doomed!
Jim Graham - a common person
Jon Noring
Hello,
I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
entities.)
Has Rush actually made any comments about libertarians (other than Stern)?
Thanks for your feedback.
Jon Noring
Joseph A. Liu
: I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
: their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
Ted too.
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David Prenatt
: I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
: towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
: entities.)
IMHO, he seems to advocate less government intrusion into the
marketplace. In other words he has libertarian leanings, but I don't
want to claim him: If you go to bed with Rush, you wake up with sleaze. :)
: Has Rush actually made any comments about libertarians (other than Stern)?
Correction: Although Stern ran on the Libertarian ticket, this
was a mistake. When they asked Stern if he was a Libertarian, he thought
they said, "libertine." :)
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Ken Floyd
Geez, Bill. Has it occurred to you that if your employer found it easier
to do business that some direct benefits might accrue to you? Like maybe
less chance of getting laid off, perhaps better wages/benefits, or more
jobs available in your community?
Oh, I see you're posting from a university. I guess arguments based on
reality will probably not be understood.
Ken Floyd
Scott Rainey
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Someone tuned in: If stagnation is the only alternative to
Clinton's massively failed policies, I'll take it.
Someone Very Clueless: So you want to see the Congress argue and fight
for 6 yrs and have no bills passed, that sounds
wonderful!
Jim Graham: Sounds good to me.
The fewer bullshit laws, rules, and regulations
that the federal government burdens me with,
the better that government is doing, in my opinion.
DON'T TREAD ON ME ... EITHER!
Brian Carey
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Distribution:
William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
: : If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
: : I'll take it.
: So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
: passed, that sounds wonderful!
I think that you missed the point. Read the original again.
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Brian Carey
: Do you really think the Democrats are going to co-operate? I don't think so
: and the Republicans will be too interested in themselves to pass any bills for
: the common ppl.
Don't forget it was the "common ppl" that put the GOP into power on
Tuesday. If they forget about who put them there, and why, they will
lose miserably in '96. In short, it is self-defeating to be a politician
who is only interested in himself and not interested in the common people.
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| Bri |
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Brian Carey
: And you probably thought Bush was a lock for re-election in March of 1991.
I agree. Too many Republicans are counting chickens before they've hatched.
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David Adams
>Larry (mentioned by name in the alt.horror.cthulhu FAQ) Mulcahy (lmulcah@da_vinci.ecte.uswc.uswest.com) wrote:
>: I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
>: their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
>Ted too.
Naw, we need to keep around a couple of old porksters to remind us
never again. Who better than the Wicked Liberal of the East and the
Wicked Liberal of the West?
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Richard Foy
>: Now, we gotta keep an eye on the Republicans. If they don't keep up their
>: end of the bargain, it's up to us to fire every one of them at the end
>: of their term.
>
>Welcome to years of Stagnation!
You may be an optimist.
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Tom Clarke
>Now we can get around to serious deficit cutting. No more greedy geezers
>sucking money away from hard working family folks. No more belly-aching
>so-called "veterans" acting as drag on our economy by constantly being in
>a feeding frenzy at the public trough. The first thing the new speaker
>should do is eliminate all military pensions, all military "perks",
>means-test social security and make all these freeloaders work for a
>living.
You're kidding aren't you?
Please say you are kidding.
Now if it's Ollie North's pension you want to eliminate ...
Stan Knight
>I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
>their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
And I suppose you beleive that labeling anyone with different political
veiwpoints as a traitor is what America stands for? Let's hope you're not
what we have in our future.
Stan Knight
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---Al Bundy---
William Logan
: In article <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> wrote:
: >So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
: >passed, that sounds wonderful!
: What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton Administration is
: over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move back
: to Arkansas and Tennessee...
Because your assuming he won't be in then. ^ yrs is the term of a Senator.
William Logan
: : : I'll take it.
: : So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
: : passed, that sounds wonderful!
: YES! By all means. That's what *I* want. Considering the alternative....
: As Will Rogers said, "Those who complain about the high cost of
: government should be glad we're not getting all the government we're
: paying for!"
Ah thats good you want nothing to get done at all. What the point why don't we
just go into deep freeze for 6 yrs
William Logan
: p.sgi.com> <39r61e$p...@panix.com> <39r92u$4...@news.bu.edu> <39rav8$n...@panix.com> <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>
: William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
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: | Bri |
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Of course you think they failed, your probablly a Republican.
William Logan
: William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
: --
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: | Bri |
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
My point is that if Republicans act the way they normally do, being
pro-wealthy then nothing will get done and out they go in 6 yrs.
William Logan
: > : >William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
But unless the Republican party reformed itself to be non-pro big business I
seriously doubt that any decent Bills that are good for the coomon ppl will be
passed. I'm Upper Middle Class and i still worry about the ppl under me.
William Logan
: : : : Welcome to years of Stagnation!
: : : If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed
: : : policies, I'll take it.
: : So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no
: : bills passed, that sounds wonderful!
: Of course I'd rather see no bills passed at all than to have bad ones
: passed. I sure wish the Congress would've argued and fought and passed no
: bills during the past two years.
: I don't elect members of Congress to go to Washington and pass bills. I
: expect them to go to Washington and protect my rights. If a bill is
: proposed that will deny me of my rights (such as the Crime of a Bill) or
: will confiscate more of the money I earn, then I expect my Congressmen to
: vote against that bill. If you want to call that gridlock or obstructionism,
: then so be it. The alternative is the "Do something, even if it's wrong!"
: philosophy that you are advocating.
: Ken Floyd
The only benfit I see from the Republican Victory is more Military Imperialism
in Bosnia, and other places. Oh Yeah and the end of Anti-religious movement.
William Logan
: Ken Floyd
Well this university person is a politician so don't go around assuming that
because I go to college that I don't have any clue to the world.(Yes where i
come from the age to run for Town offices is 18, I've been doing it for a
while now)
Jim Lyons
|> Jon Noring (nor...@netcom.com) wrote:
|>
|> : I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
|> : towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
|> : entities.)
|>
|> IMHO, he seems to advocate less government intrusion into the
|> marketplace. In other words he has libertarian leanings, but I don't
|> want to claim him: If you go to bed with Rush, you wake up with sleaze. :)
|>
|> : Has Rush actually made any comments about libertarians (other than Stern)?
A few months ago I heard Rush talk directly about libertarianism. He opposed it.
He said he felt there was a greater role for government to play in society than
libertarians would allow. He clearly seems to be closer to libertarianism
than liberalism but only in the same way liberals seem closer to socialism
than to conservatism. They're a little closer on the political spectrum but
in reality quite different.
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James A. Pacella
Instead of writing a thosand follow ups why dont you just take a moment
to collect all your little thoughts and post them into one artical so
that we may all have an easier time reading your nonsense.
Jeez...
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William Logan
Well if I could get this thing to stop auto-quoating it be much easier.
Brian Carey
: Because 6 yrs is when ppl will realize that Republics are selfish
: self-centered ppl that have done nothing for them. Listen this is internet,
: Do I give a fuck if I make typos, this isn't a Term paper and this is not a
: grammar class. Internet is meant as a way of relaxation for me, and I don't
: need some shithead to tell me to edit my postings. Get a Life! You apparently
: don't have one if you care about the way ppl post on INET.
Relax... take a deep breath... count to 10... I think you've let the GOP
victory get the better of you.
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| Bri |
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Brian Carey
: : : : If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
: : : : I'll take it.
: : : So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
: : : passed, that sounds wonderful!
: : I think that you missed the point. Read the original again.
: Of course you think they failed, your probablly a Republican.
Oh.
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| Bri |
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Brian Carey
: : Don't forget it was the "common ppl" that put the GOP into power on
: : Tuesday. If they forget about who put them there, and why, they will
: : lose miserably in '96. In short, it is self-defeating to be a politician
: : who is only interested in himself and not interested in the common people.
: My point is that if Republicans act the way they normally do, being
: pro-wealthy then nothing will get done and out they go in 6 yrs.
Ah, yes... welcome to the year of our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and
Ninety-Four, in which being "pro-wealthy" is now a crime. We sure can't
have any rich people in a free society. Better get a subscription to
"Egalitarianism Today" and throw "Wealth of Nations" in the trash. Those
capitalist bastards who are making more than $100,000 per year should
also be taxed at 94%, and more inheritances!
Seriously, did you ever consider the fact that those rich people buy
things (a LOT of things), which in turn leads to job creation. Did you
ever consider that these people start businesses? And, by the way, do
you know which ultra-conservative Republican it was who signed a budget
bill which CUT THE LUXURY TAX (that's a tax on yachts, expensive jewelry
and other expensive items)?? Whu, none other than William Jefferson
Clinton in 1993. Clinton the trickle-down-economist? Could be the
slogan in '96...
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Ken Floyd
: : : Welcome to years of Stagnation!
: : If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed
: : policies, I'll take it.
: So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no
: bills passed, that sounds wonderful!
Of course I'd rather see no bills passed at all than to have bad ones
Keith Glass
>Listen this is internet,
>Do I give a fuck if I make typos, this isn't a Term paper and this is not a
>grammar class. Internet is meant as a way of relaxation for me, and I don't
>need some shithead to tell me to edit my postings. Get a Life! You apparently
>don't have one if you care about the way ppl post on INET.
Language is the tool we use to communicate ideas: if you don't use the
tool corectly, your ideas get mis-communicated and mis-construed.....
THAT is the point: some of your posts are just this side of incomprehensible.
Keith
Keith Glass
Really. Besides the minor fact that those committments were made in
return for service to the nation, Mr. Castleman might want to consider
that the military retirees know ALL about weapons and their proper
employment....
Besides, WHAT military "perks" ? The BX and Commissary are cheaper
because they don't have to maintain a real profit margin. Military
medicine is pretty assembly-line and well below the standards most
civilians expect. And those military golf courses and suchlike were built
and are maintained by the proceeds of the BX and Commissary systems, and not
taxpayer dollars. Besides, G.I. are SUPPOSED to stay fit: it's part of
their job, I find it amusing when the "free gym and health club
priviledges" of G.I. are mentioned....I have **NEVER** seen a military
fitness facility even come close to a civilian health club....
>Now if it's Ollie North's pension you want to eliminate ...
Come now, the law applies to all......
Keith
G. Thomas Rush
>[Note the followup line.]
>
>Hello,
>
>I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
>towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
>entities.)
>
Rush doesn't seem to like libertarians, much. I find that he really hits
a wall of not-thinking when he criticizes many libertarian positions.
Example: he was actually addressing the libertarian position on drug
legalization a few weeks ago. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly what
he said, but prominant in his argument was that drugs are _illegal_,
therefore they shouldn't be legalized.
Also note that Rush is a user of tobacco products, and (apparently) a
consumer of adult beverages. He doesn't seem to see anything wrong with
these substances being legal. After all, they _are_, and, besides, its
a _freedom_ issue. But _marijuana_? Heaven forbid we should legalize
pot, or narcotics, or any of the out-of-fasion drugs.
I don't believe he'd have much good to say about legalized prostitution,
or total government dis-involvement in the media, either.
He seems to be fairly pro-economic freedom, and not-so-pro personal
freedom, except for the things _he_ wants to do. And that is dangerous.
g thomas rush Compaq Computer Corporation
tho...@bangate.compaq.com Their employee, not their opinions
Live free or dye: The hippie's dilemma
William Logan
: In article <39rrno$b...@news.bu.edu> wlo...@bu.edu (William Logan) writes:
: >This is all your going to get for 6 yrs. Bickering, Selfishness, Vetoing, need
: >I go on?
: Why 6 years? There's another election in 2 years, and, as I said in my
: earlier post, I expect more people to be tossed out then if we don't see
: some results.
: >Well libertarianism, I can see why, the Republics would rather run business
: >without government regulations so they can get rich and have their
: >workers treated like shit. Thats the way the libertariansns want too since
: >there against government interference.
: I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I can't be sure.
: Please repost after you've brought your spelling, punctuation, and sentence
: construction skills up to the junior high level.
: Cheers,
: David Roberson
: d...@acpub.duke.edu
Because 6 yrs is when ppl will realize that Republics are selfish
self-centered ppl that have done nothing for them. Listen this is internet,
gerry harbison
>Ah thats good you want nothing to get done at all. What the point why don't we
>just go into deep freeze for 6 yrs
Some people think that because the government is doing nothing, nothing
is happening.
And then some of us have a life.
--
Gerry Harbison, Associate Professor of Chemistry
Official Spokesman for the University of Nebraska, Lincoln - yeah right
I know I should say no/But it's kinda hard when she's ready to go/I may be
dumb, but I'm not a dweeb/I'm just a sucker with no self-esteem - Offspring
Keith Glass
Correct. But what does the term of a Senator have to do with anything:
33/34 other Senators are up in 1996: assuming there IS utter gridlock,
which I doubt, the situation can be rectified one way or the other in 1996.
I fully expect Clinton will be the one to go, ESPECIALLY if he vetoes any
of the "Contract with America" bills.....
Keith
Brian Carey
: Well this university person is a politician so don't go around assuming that
: because I go to college that I don't have any clue to the world.(Yes where i
: come from the age to run for Town offices is 18, I've been doing it for a
: while now)
No, actually, the fact that you are a self-admitted politician explains
quite a bit.
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William Logan
: Wendy Manhard (wend...@recep19.corp.sgi.com) wrote:
: : Sigh.....it is wonderful isn't it. Reminds me of the good old 80's with so
: : many Republicans!!!
: : --
: : Wendy Manhard
: Now we can get around to serious deficit cutting. No more greedy geezers
: sucking money away from hard working family folks. No more belly-aching
: so-called "veterans" acting as drag on our economy by constantly being in
: a feeding frenzy at the public trough. The first thing the new speaker
: should do is eliminate all military pensions, all military "perks",
: means-test social security and make all these freeloaders work for a
: living.
: : "It's a big enough umbrella, but it's always me that ends up getting wet".
: : - The Police
: --
: Mark W Castleman
: Big Dog Brewing Cooperative - West
: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometime you're the bug.
Funny I always thought that the Republicans were pro-military.
Hard Response
On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Jon Noring wrote:
> I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
> towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
> entities.)
>
> Has Rush actually made any comments about libertarians (other than Stern)?
Yes, he usually sticks to the Libertarian issue of drug legalization and
makes inhaling noises infering Libertarians are drug users.
I don't know why he hits them, afterall, a Libertarian is just a
right-wing lunatic with the issues of sex and religion removed.
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D. Citron
: On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Jon Noring wrote:
: > I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's views
: > towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party (different, but related
: > entities.)
: > Has Rush actually made any comments about libertarians (other than Stern)?
: Yes, he usually sticks to the Libertarian issue of drug legalization and
: makes inhaling noises infering Libertarians are drug users.
: I don't know why he hits them, afterall, a Libertarian is just a
: right-wing lunatic with the issues of sex and religion removed.
In contrast to left wing loonies like Mr. Response who hide behind
tough macho-sounding monikers on the net!
henry jakala
: Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND SENATE
: From: Don Semmens, Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu
: Date: 10 Nov 1994 04:22:24 GMT
: In article <39s760$1b...@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Don Semmens,
: Don.S...@launchpad.unc.edu writes:
: >In article <39s1i4$b...@dgs.dgsys.com>,
: >Keith Glass <sal...@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote:
: >>In article <39rrit$b...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu>
: wrote:
: >>>So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no
: bills
: >>>passed, that sounds wonderful!
: >>
: >>What's this "6 years" crap ? Effectively, the Clinton Administration
: is
: >>over, and all it can really do is wait for 1996. and then the move
: back
: >>to Arkansas and Tennessee...
: >And you probably thought Bush was a lock for re-election in March of
: 1991.
: Bush lost because he broke his promise (No new taxes), Clinton will lose
: because he lies, breaks promises, lacks a moral compass, is a wimp in
: foreign policy and America is sick of his socialist vision of America.
whoooooooo there !!! our Philanderer in Chief has a moral compass,
does too !!! does too !!! does too !!! does too !!!!
he even told us so !!! he knows of nobody with a stronger sense
of right and wrong than our beloved Hillary Rob'em Cheat'em.
: Did the voters send clinton a message on Tuesday? Damn right!
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Feel free to do so. Who wants to volunteer to thaw Logan out in 2000?
D. Citron
: In article <39rav8$n...@panix.com> d...@panix.com (Dave O'Shea) writes:
: >I'll take it.
: friend of the average American who hoped to hold on to his or her rights for a
: bit longer.
Hooray!!!!!! Morning In America Again. Camelot II is DEAD!
: Now, I am confident that the Republican legislators just elected are
: every bit as greedy and self-serving as the Democrats who were tossed
: unceremoniously into the street. However, I also think that the object
: lessons contained in yesterday's election can help us keep the Republicans and
: the remaining Democrats in line, particularly if we let them know that we're
: fully ready to throw this lot out in the street in 1996 unless they produce.
: Imagine -- a federal government that would actually work for the benefit of
: the people. What a concept.
I'd be happy if the feds just stopped working against us for a while.
: Let's keep the pressure on -- send letters of congratulations, and let the new
: crop know that we're going to be watching, and that we're expecting some
: results. The Republicans have been given the ball -- now they'd damn well
: better run with it.
: Cheers,
: David Roberson, who still prefers to vote Libertarian
: d...@acpub.duke.edu
...and this David, too!
C. Brent Herridge
Just wait 'til Walter Williams guest-hosts the Limbaugh show !! You'll get
a real dose of Libertarianism there. It really is surprising that Rush
likes this guy since he advocates re-establishing the country the founding
fathers started rather than blindly following one of the two 'dominant'
parties of today's political scene.
G. Thomas Rush (Tho...@BanGate.Compaq.Com) wrote:
>> I would like to get feedback on what is perceived to be Rush Limbaugh's
>> views towards libertarianism and the Libertarian Party
> Rush doesn't seem to like libertarians, much. I find that he really
> hits a wall of not-thinking when he criticizes many libertarian positions.
[snip...snip]
> he said, but prominant in his argument was that drugs are _illegal_,
This is what *kills* me about Rush and everybody else. Alcohol and
tobacco are drugs just like weed and LSD. Why do they think 'their' drugs
are better than 'ours' ?? They also refuse to debate the issue based on
the facts.
However, I think we're making progess in the political scene. Here in
Texas we had candidates on the ballot for most positions. We even had a
box to vote straight Libertarian Party. Unfortunately, we didn't have a
candidate for every position. Hell, the GOP didn't even oppose some of
those yellow dogs !
I just wish some deep pockets would step in and fund a campaign to
enlighten the American public. I think that people would take a stand
with us if they knew what we stood for. The dramatic Repub. takeover of
Congress is proof that anything is possible :)
Keep listening and hoping.
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Rich Paul
>: : Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
>: : was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
>: : gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
>
>: Welcome to years of Stagnation!
>
>If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
>I'll take it.
>
Clinton's failed policies?
Ronald "Senility City" Reagan and George "Voodoo is GOOD" Bush:
Massive increase of deficeit
Massive waste of money on the military
Funding of terrorists behind the public's back
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Jonathon Kerns
: I responded:
: >: I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I can't be sure.
: >: Please repost after you've brought your spelling, punctuation, and sentence
: >: construction skills up to the junior high level.
: Believe it or not, William, some people find clarity of expression valuable
: even outside an academic setting. You may also find that people take your
: political opinions more seriously when you demonstrate a mastery of more
: elementary thinking skills.
I take his political opinions seriously just the way he has
presented them. He has clearly articulated them in a manner which is
easily understood by anyone who has, themself graduated junior high
school. Your response not only ignored the real issues, it was also
snotty and immature.
Jon
--
"Many of us have reason to know what long hours and low pay mean. Any
movement that aims at one or the other will have our sympathy and
support. We may be militiamen, but we are workmen first."
-An officer of a New York regiment called to put down a RR strike,1877
William Logan
D. Citron
: : >: I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I can't be sure.
: : >: Please repost after you've brought your spelling, punctuation, and sentence
: : >: construction skills up to the junior high level.
: : Believe it or not, William, some people find clarity of expression valuable
: : even outside an academic setting. You may also find that people take your
: : political opinions more seriously when you demonstrate a mastery of more
: : elementary thinking skills.
: I take his political opinions seriously just the way he has
: presented them. He has clearly articulated them in a manner which is
: easily understood by anyone who has, themself graduated junior high
: school. Your response not only ignored the real issues, it was also
: snotty and immature.
"who has, themself" --- indeed! How many people are speaking? 1 1/2?
Soren F. Petersen
Keith Glass <sal...@dgs.dgsys.com> wrote:
>I fully expect Clinton will be the one to go, ESPECIALLY if he vetoes any
>of the "Contract with America" bills.....
I don't know about that. I haven't exactly seen any huge demand for
increased military spending.
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Aleksey Y Romanov
>
>Being Wealthy is in the minority. I'm not saying they should be taxed to deat
>they should just be taxed more.
>
I always have the same question to ask when I read this kind of drivel over
and over again. Do you like to start your own business ? Do you like to
mortgage your home ? Do you like to put in 100 hours weeks without pay ?
Do you like to become rich ?
I know the answer: you are smart enough not make this kind of mistake,
smart guys like you know very well that the risk is high (start-up failure
rate is 90% - do not remember source BW or WSJ) and pay off does not look
that great. So, I think that this is an indication that business
environment is not so friendly already.
Do you think that rising taxes on riches (> $150,000 :) ) will make
situation any better ? If nobody would like to make a try there
will be nobody to tax real soon.
Aleksey
Karni06
> (who's moving more and more towards pragmatic libertarianism every day.)
As long as it's pragmatic, then it's probably OK. It's when Liberatrianism
loses touch with reality that worries me...
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DAVID ROBERSON
>: >Well libertarianism, I can see why, the Republics would rather run business
>: >without government regulations so they can get rich and have their
>: >workers treated like shit. Thats the way the libertariansns want too since
>: >there against government interference.
I responded:
>: I think I understand the point you are trying to make, but I can't be sure.
>: Please repost after you've brought your spelling, punctuation, and sentence
>: construction skills up to the junior high level.
Logan sputtered:
>Because 6 yrs is when ppl will realize that Republics are selfish
>self-centered ppl that have done nothing for them. Listen this is internet,
>Do I give a fuck if I make typos, this isn't a Term paper and this is not a
>grammar class. Internet is meant as a way of relaxation for me, and I don't
>need some shithead to tell me to edit my postings. Get a Life! You apparently
>don't have one if you care about the way ppl post on INET.
Believe it or not, William, some people find clarity of expression valuable
even outside an academic setting. You may also find that people take your
political opinions more seriously when you demonstrate a mastery of more
elementary thinking skills.
Cheers,
David Roberson
d...@acpub.duke.edu
Over Yonder
In article <39ucqi$2...@news.bu.edu>, wlo...@bu.edu (William Logan) writes:
>: Oh, I see you're posting from a university. I guess arguments based on
>: reality will probably not be understood.
>
>: Ken Floyd
>
>Well this university person is a politician so don't go around assuming that
>because I go to college that I don't have any clue to the world.(Yes where i
>come from the age to run for Town offices is 18, I've been doing it for a
>while now)
>
What does the real world have to do with politics.
OK maybe local politics is in the real world. I'll go along with that.
I go to college too. However my view of the real world is obviously
different from yours.
Joseph A. Liu
: Effectively, the Clinton Administration is over, and all it can really do
: is wait for 1996.
Death to socialism.
--
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Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I shall fear no Evil. For Thou art with me...
Yea, though I live in the most decadent amoral society on Earth,
I shall fear no Evil. For the Republicans have just taken Congress...
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David Boothroyd
In article <3a2369$p...@clarknet.clark.net>, Joseph Liu writes:
>Keith Glass (sal...@dgs.dgsys.com) wrote:
>
>: Effectively, the Clinton Administration is over, and all it can really do
>: is wait for 1996.
>
>Death to socialism.
Clinton is not, and never has been a socialist. If you think he is, you ain't
seen nothin' yet.
A. Socialist
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Over Yonder
The only sad thing was the A-Z bill was not in the Contract.
Not having this in there suggest that the republicans might start
bribing their districts just like the Democrats do.
Who ever the A -Z guys were on the internet. Dont stop yet. Keep it up
until it's passed.
Any body know the chances of this bill?
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>In article <39rav8$n...@panix.com>, d...@panix.com (Dave O'Shea) says:
>
>>: : Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
>>: : was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
>>: : gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
>>
>>: Welcome to years of Stagnation!
>>
>>If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
>>I'll take it.
>>
>
>Clinton's failed policies?
>
>Ronald "Senility City" Reagan and George "Voodoo is GOOD" Bush:
> Massive increase of deficeit
> Massive waste of money on the military
> Funding of terrorists behind the public's back
>
Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. No longer do we have a super power to
worry about. I dont think the money was a waste on the military.
William Logan
: : : Don't forget it was the "common ppl" that put the GOP into power on
: : : Tuesday. If they forget about who put them there, and why, they will
: : : lose miserably in '96. In short, it is self-defeating to be a politician
: : : who is only interested in himself and not interested in the common people.
: : My point is that if Republicans act the way they normally do, being
: : pro-wealthy then nothing will get done and out they go in 6 yrs.
: Ah, yes... welcome to the year of our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and
: Ninety-Four, in which being "pro-wealthy" is now a crime. We sure can't
: have any rich people in a free society. Better get a subscription to
: "Egalitarianism Today" and throw "Wealth of Nations" in the trash. Those
: capitalist bastards who are making more than $100,000 per year should
: also be taxed at 94%, and more inheritances!
: Seriously, did you ever consider the fact that those rich people buy
: things (a LOT of things), which in turn leads to job creation. Did you
: ever consider that these people start businesses? And, by the way, do
: you know which ultra-conservative Republican it was who signed a budget
: bill which CUT THE LUXURY TAX (that's a tax on yachts, expensive jewelry
: and other expensive items)?? Whu, none other than William Jefferson
: Clinton in 1993. Clinton the trickle-down-economist? Could be the
: slogan in '96...
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: | Bri |
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William Logan
: William Logan (wlo...@bu.edu) wrote:
: --
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: | Bri |
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Well point of interest: I don't get paid a cent for being a Town Meeting me
member.
William Logan
: Keith
Yes it does because if they dont produce then out they go in 6 yrs.
If Clinton doesn't veto enuff Republican bills then he loses my vote
William Logan
William Logan
: DAVID ROBERSON (d...@acpub.duke.edu) wrote:
: : I responded:
Thank you for supporting me against him Jon.
JEFF KILLEEN
> The only benfit I see from the Republican Victory is more Military Imperialism
> in Bosnia, and other places. Oh Yeah and the end of Anti-religious movement.
You don't understand the difference between a Rockefeller Republican like Dole
and a Guerrilla Republican like Gingrich. In the old days Dole would have
helped certain special interests but wouldn't cut taxes until spending was
cut. Gingrich understands you need to buy votes. The Democrats have always
been successful at buying votes with handouts. These are a new type of
Republicans who understand two can play this game and they need to buy votes
with tax cuts.
BTW - Part of the message of 11/8/94 was the Democrats can't win by playing
the class envy card anymore (waving the bloody flag of the rich and big
business) - voters will now judge by their own situation.
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Mike Novosel
I've got a theory on the high failure rate of startups. A lot of these
businesses are started for the associated tax benefits, and then folded in
year 4, to beat the "hobby" rule of the IRS. Then, you restart under a new
corporate identity.
Any thoughts?
Mike Novosel
>
>
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>>>: : Hell, even the 80's never saw a landslide like this. This wasn't a rout, this
>>>: : was a MASSACRE. With the exception of Ted The Swimmer and Dianne "eew! scary
>>>: : gun!" Feinstein, we tossed out literally dozens of Liberal Demos. To kick
>>>
>>>: Welcome to years of Stagnation!
>>>
>>>If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
>>>I'll take it.
>>>
>>
>>Clinton's failed policies?
>>
>>Ronald "Senility City" Reagan and George "Voodoo is GOOD" Bush:
>> Massive increase of deficeit
>> Massive waste of money on the military
>> Funding of terrorists behind the public's back
>>
>
>Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. No longer do we have a super power to
>worry about. I dont think the money was a waste on the military.
Yes, the Soviet Union fell, during his watch. But he did a hell of a lot of
damage to this country in the process.
And if we don't have a superpower to worry about, why do we keep trying
to increase military spending?
Brian Carey
: Well they can all get a life and BLOW ME!
Sir - this belongs in alt.flame.
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| Bri |
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Ed Redondo
>From: mwca...@ouray.Denver.Colorado.EDU (MARK CASTLEMAN)
>Subject: Re: REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND SENATE
>Now we can get around to serious deficit cutting. No more greedy geezers
>sucking money away from hard working family folks. No more belly-aching
>so-called "veterans" acting as drag on our economy by constantly being in
>a feeding frenzy at the public trough. The first thing the new speaker
>should do is eliminate all military pensions, all military "perks",
>means-test social security and make all these freeloaders work for a
>living.
>
> Mark W Castleman
Aha! I hope Mark has a nice BIG private pension plan. He is
definately not a retired person, but he will be.
I put in 22yrs in the military for my pension of $13000/yr
(appx., *after* taxes).
Mark, some advice. If you get your wishes, *never retire*, you
couldn't afford it.
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Ed Redondo | The truth of a proposition has nothing to do
| with its credibility. And vice versa.
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James Graham
> : : : If stagnation is the only alternative to Clinton's massively failed policies,
> : : : I'll take it.
> : : So you want to see the Congress argue and fight for 6 yrs and have no bills
> : : passed, that sounds wonderful!
> : YES! By all means. That's what *I* want. Considering the alternative....
> : As Will Rogers said, "Those who complain about the high cost of
> : government should be glad we're not getting all the government we're
> : paying for!"
> Ah thats good you want nothing to get done at all. What the point why don't we
> just go into deep freeze for 6 yrs
"Nothing done"? Yes, that sounds wonderful!
Why do so many people assume that government has to be doing something?
We'll survive without the feds doing anything.
We don't need government "doing something" in order to go about our
business of being left alone to live our lives to the fullest.
Gridlock is bliss!
Jim Graham
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In article <znr784621925k@digex>, mzi...@access.digex.net (Michael Zimmet) writes:>I'd prefer improvement, to stagnation. But even if stagnation's what
>we're going to get, that vastly better than change for the worse.
>
Government stagnation. Not stagnation of the country. There is more to
America than it's federal government.
D. Citron
: Aleksey Y Romanov (ra...@world.std.com) wrote:
: : In article <3a1djr$a...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> wrote:
: : >Being Wealthy is in the minority. I'm not saying they should be taxed to deat
: : >they should just be taxed more.
: But why should we pay the same rate as the wealthy?
I'm not wealthy. Not even close. (I wish! Never had a new car, for
example -- but I have had four that exceeded 99,000 miles.) But I aspire
to be wealthy someday.
William, you're confusing rate and amount.
When you're talking about rate, that means a percentage. So the wealthy
pay proportionately more than everyone else. A flat tax (like sales tax)
would mean that a guy who makes $20,000 pays twice as much tax as a guy
who makes $10,000. Fair?
To require that people who make a higher income pay a higher rate
penalizes success. Success, which creates jobs. If Jones is being taxed
at such a high rate that it makes more sense to put his funds in CDs than
to invest in a new factory, Jones won't starve. But the jobs that would
have been created in that factory will not exist. Maybe the product will
be manufactured by another company in Taiwan or Mexico. But it won't hurt
Jones.
Most of our tax code has been written and rewritten over the years to
provide loopholes (deductions, exclusions, etc.) to promote certain
economic activities that congress wants to promote, and penalties for
other activities they want to discourage.
What would be fair to everyone would be to abolish it all and institute a
flat tax rate.
Many more people who are experts (bureaucrats, politicians, tax
practicioners) will have a lot more to say about this, I'm sure, so I'll
get off my soapbox now.
Comments?
Ross Bagley
>
><39r92u$4...@news.bu.edu>, William Logan <wlo...@bu.edu> :
>>
>>: The governors' races followed the same pattern ...
>>: Ann "lock 'em up!" Richards was soundly whipped by
>>: George "lock, hell - put 'em in tents!" Bush.
>
>How much of a factor was Gov. Ann Richards threat to veto
>legislation to reduce Texas' infringement of its residents'
>right to keep _and bear_ arms (CCW reform)?
Threat, hell! She did veto that bill (by letting it rot on her
desk past the end of the legislative session, it had enough votes
to override her veto, and she knew it).
[...snip...]
>By the way, how well did Jon Coon do?
The last count I saw gave him 4% of the votes, and the republican
had a pretty clear majority. Coon's votes didn't have nearly the
clout that Perot did in '92.
Ross Bagley
bag...@ucunix.san.uc.edu
jeffrey woodford
wouldn't be at all surprised if the Democrats tried to filibuster a
few bills in the Senate, just to get even. (We could have really used
that 60 votes in the Senate. But of course, Chafee was re-elected, so
it wouldn't have really mattered I suppose.)
Also, I think they probably should stick to the economic issues for
the time being, instead of splurging with the social stuff. I heard
on the news recently that Speaker Newt is going to submit an amendment
to the Constitution allowing prayer in schools. While I think that
this is a fine idea, I think it's a bit too early. The way I see it
is, let's reform the tax code, take care of welfare and health care
reform (*smart* health care reform, that is) and THEN let's talk
social issues.
But I must admit, I'm incredibly amused that President Clinton is now
up to his armpits in Republicans. I recall hearing during the 1992
campaign that, as Governor, Clinton never really had a strong
Republican opposition in Arkansas. Apparently, the Arkansas
Republican Party is rather weak. I can't wait to see what some of his
blundering reactions will be, now that he's faced for the first time
with stiff Republican opposition to his liberal agenda.
-Jeff
No I don't have a fancy sig
Ross Bagley
>In article <Cz0M4w.1r2@da_vinci.ecte.uswc.uswest.com> lmulcah@da_vinci.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (Larry (mentioned by name in the alt.horror.cthulhu FAQ) Mulcahy) writes:
>
>>I'm just disappointed that some of the worst traitors will be keeping
>>their seats a little longer, especially Diane Feinstein.
>
>And I suppose you beleive that labeling anyone with different political
>veiwpoints as a traitor is what America stands for? Let's hope you're not
>what we have in our future.
When their political viewpoint includes support for bills that are blatantly
anti-constitutional, and they have taken an oath to protect that constitution,
then they are traitors to that very oath. As to whether they are traitors
by the Constitutional definition itself, you can say that, but you end up
with a circular definition. I'll let you read the Constitution to figure
out what I mean. Perhaps you'll gain a better perspective on what those two
sheets of paper really mean...
One can only hope...
Ross Bagley
bag...@ucunix.san.uc.edu
Joseph A. Liu
: Clinton is not, and never has been a socialist. If you think he is, you ain't
: seen nothin' yet.
: A. Socialist
Die David, die!