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AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 14, 2009, 4:14:03 PM12/14/09
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This is a MUST READ..... It's over. If any part of this abominable bill ever passes,
it will be time for the largest march on Washington D.C. ever seen in this
country....AAC


Morning Bell: The Battle Over Obamacare's Obituary Has Begun

Conn Carroll On December 14, 2009

Last month, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) rammed through her
version of Obamacare almost a week before the agency in charge of
running Medicare and Medicaid, the Centers for Medicare and
Medicaid Services [1] (CMMS), could issue its non-partisan and
independent analysis of the legislation. And for supporters of
the President's plan, it's a good thing she did. The CMMS report
eviscerated almost every single promise the President has made
about his health care plan [2].

According to that report [3], Obamacare: 1) raises health care
costs; 2) causes millions of Americans to lose their current
health care coverage; 3) forces millions of Americans to pay
fines and still receive no health insurance; 4) causes millions
of seniors to lose their Medicare Advantage plans; 4) places
millions of Americans on welfare; 5) jeopardizes Medicare access
for all seniors; 6) worsens health care access for the poor.

This past Friday, CMMS issued another report [4], this time on
Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) version of Obamacare and the
verdict was in many ways worse: 1) health care costs would rise
by $234 billion; 2) 17 million Americans would be forced out of
their existing health insurance; 3) 19 million Americans would
pay $29 billion in taxes/fines and receive no health care in
return; 4) 33% of all Medicare Advantage customers would lose
their health care plan; 5) 18 million Americans would be put on
welfare; 6) the $493 billion in Medicare cuts would force 20% of
Medicare providers to become unprofitable thus jeopardizing
access to care for all seniors; and 7) the explosion in Medicaid
recipients would exacerbate existing health care access problems
for the poor.

The week before the Senate began debating Obamacare, CNN
conducted a poll [5] and found that Americans narrowly opposed
the plan, 49% to 46%. Now that the Senate has been debating the
plan for two weeks, and CMMS has issued two devastating reports
on what the impacts of Obamacare would be, opposition to the plan
has skyrocketed. This Friday's latest CNN poll [6] showed 61% of
Americans now oppose Obamacare compared to just 36% who support
it.

Liberals are is beginning to see the writing on the wall. They
know that if Obamacare fails to pass the Senate this year, the
battle will be on to explain its failure. For them, the story can
not be that President Barack Obama tried to push too ambitious a
government health plan. It must be that the President and
Congress did not go far enough to the left to satisfy the
supposedly government-hungry American people [7]. Hence the left
is now attacking the White House and Reid over the public option
[8], the employer mandate [9], drug reimportation [10], abortion
[11], and health insurance spending caps [12].

Obamacare is not dead yet. Speaker Pelosi has signaled that she
will quickly pass anything [13] that comes out of the Senate, so
Reid could still cave on almost everything and get a terrible
bill from everybody's prospective on the President's desk by New
Years. But Senators thinking about moving quickly should remember
that the public strongly opposes this bill, and that opposition
is only rising [14].


URLs in this post:

[1] Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services:
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/

[2] eviscerated almost every single promise the President has
made about his health care plan:
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/11/16/morning-bell-a-deathblow-for-obamacare/

[3] report:
http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/UploadedFiles/OACT_Memorandum_on_Financial_Impact_of_H_R__3962__11-13-09_.pdf

[4] another report:
http://enzi.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=85899a92-a646-4bca-87b6-81ae629e7533

[5] CNN conducted a poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/11/17/rel17d.pdf

[6] latest CNN poll:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/12/10/rel18h.pdf

[7] the President and Congress did not go far enough to the left
to satisfy the supposedly government-hungry American people:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/12/in-polls-much-opposition-to-health-care.html

[8] public option:
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/obamafail

[9] the employer mandate:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/cms-excise-tax-on-insurance-will-make-your-insurance-coverage-worse-and-cause-almost-no-reduction-in-nhe/

[10] drug reimportation:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/10/harry-reid-crook-for-phrma-tries-to-kill-drug-reimportation//

[11] abortion:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/12/one-voice-for-choice-women-candidates-phone-bank-against-stupak-in-mar-vista-ca/

[12] health insurance spending caps:
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/12/11/so-much-for-health-care-consumer-protection-reid-guts-ban-on-annual-limits/

[13] anything:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/71663-pelosi-christmas-recess-healthcare-vote-possible

[14] opposition is only rising:
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

Wildbilly

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Dec 15, 2009, 12:55:52 AM12/15/09
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Give us a break, you idiot. The Senate bill is a sick joke of a health
reform bill. It is everything that the insurance industry wanted and
paid for.

In article <rbadi5hdufm8i7h0o...@4ax.com>,
UnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

--
"When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist."
-Archbishop Helder Camara

http://tinyurl.com/o63ruj
http://countercurrents.org/roberts020709.htm

Patriot Games

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Dec 15, 2009, 4:19:22 PM12/15/09
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:14:03 -0800, AnAmericanCitizen
<NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>This is a MUST READ..... It's over. If any part of this abominable bill ever passes,
>it will be time for the largest march on Washington D.C. ever seen in this
>country....AAC

They WILL pass something in the Senate, it has NO CHANCE of melding
with the House version.

I have no idea what the actual result will be...

Other than the complete and total destruction of the Buckwheat's
Presidency....

clams_casino

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Dec 15, 2009, 4:49:18 PM12/15/09
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Patriot Games wrote:

>
>Other than the complete and total destruction of the Buckwheat's
>Presidency....
>
>
>

You must be a real proud redneck.

Have you made any progress in that 4th-grade remedial math class?

Poetic Justice

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Dec 15, 2009, 4:58:37 PM12/15/09
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On 12/15/2009 4:49 PM, clams_casino wrote:

> You must be a real proud redneck.
> Have you made any progress in that 4th-grade remedial math class?

Why.... do you need to copy off someone before you fail again?

--


Wildbilly

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:19:42 PM12/15/09
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In article <67vfi51gtio2kuifq...@4ax.com>,
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:

Te white power Nazi speaks.

Wildbilly

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Dec 15, 2009, 9:34:15 PM12/15/09
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In article <jETVm.4800$Gf3....@newsfe18.iad>,
Poetic Justice <PoeticJustice@talk-n-dog...com> wrote:

Ah, another racially pure Nazi. Just remember, last time when der Furher
had gotten what he wanted from you brown shirts, he mulched you. Why do
you brawlers think it will be different this time?

Give it up clams, these clowns can't add 2 + 2.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the
merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

"Whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me."
- J. C.

Poetic Justice

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Dec 16, 2009, 11:32:00 AM12/16/09
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On 12/15/2009 9:34 PM, Wildbilly wrote:
> In article <jETVm.4800$Gf3....@newsfe18.iad>,
> Poetic Justice <PoeticJustice@talk-n-dog...com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/15/2009 4:49 PM, clams_casino wrote:
>>
>>> You must be a real proud redneck.
>>> Have you made any progress in that 4th-grade remedial math class?

>> Why.... do you need to copy off someone before you fail again?

> "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the

> merger of state and corporate power." - Benito Mussolini.

That means Obama has been merging government and Corporations like GM
and Banking and Government is "owning" corporations rather than simply
"loaning money" to corporations, and government created and "directed"
corporations like Fannie and Freddie are government proxy owned.

Patriot Games

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:53:04 PM12/16/09
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:49:18 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>Other than the complete and total destruction of the Buckwheat's
>>Presidency....
>You must be a real proud redneck.

Hahahahahhahaha!!!

Liars are Exposed:

On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 18:06:51 -0500, clams_casino
<PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>Yes, I miss President George Bush!
>Big problem this year is that I will have taxes on stock capital
>gains. Hardly ever paid such under GW.
>GW knew how to reduce taxes - massive job loses,

Oops! Caught LYING!

Bush's BEST Month: 4.2% (Jan, Feb 2001)
Buckwheat's BEST Month: 8.1% (Feb 2009)
Buckwheat is 93% WORSE than Bush...

Bush's WORST Month: 7.2% (Dec 2008)
Buckwheat's WORST Month: 10.2% (Nov 2009)
Buckwheat is 42% WORSE than Bush...
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?data_tool=latest_numbers&series_id=LNS14000000

Patriot Games

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Dec 16, 2009, 2:54:21 PM12/16/09
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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:55:52 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net>
wrote:

>Give us a break, you idiot. The Senate bill is a sick joke of a health
>reform bill.

That would be OUR Senate, not yours, Aussie Faggot.

>It is everything that the insurance industry wanted and
>paid for.

That would be OUR insurance industry, not yours, Aussie Faggot.

Go mind your own business.

peaches

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Dec 16, 2009, 3:58:22 PM12/16/09
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Are you a total moron or do you just play one on the internet?

Hint - essentially all the unemployed under Obama were unemployed due to
GW's leadership.

Math is hard, eh? Makinbg any progess in that remedial math class?

Apparently not. Oh well, guess you'll have to repeat that 4th grade,
yet again.

Wildbilly

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:41:38 PM12/16/09
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In article <qleii515e8m2k2opk...@4ax.com>,
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:

That's not a dormant organ between your ears, it's dead.

Wildbilly

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:09:17 PM12/16/09
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In article <3jeii5pimi9it9nek...@4ax.com>,
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:

Our Neo-Nazi WASP can't seem to wake up.

Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury
Department in the Reagan administration and a former associate editor of
the Wall Street Journal. He has taught at Georgetown University and
Stanford University and is the author of many books, including
Supply-Side Revolution: An Insider's Account of Policymaking in
Washington.

Welcome to Democracy Now!

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS: Thank you.

JUAN GONZALEZ: What about this issue of the government's bailout being
aimed primarily at the financial institutions rather than the homeowners
who--and the defaults that are at the root of the crisis?

PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS: Yes. Well, it suggests that the bailout is either
incompetence or fraud, because the problem, according to the government,
is the defaulting mortgages, so the money should be directed at
refinancing the mortgages and paying off the foreclosed ones. And that
would restore the value of the mortgage-backed securities that are
threatening the financial institutions. If the value was restored, the
crisis would be over. So there's no connection between the government's
explanation of the crisis and its solution to the crisis.

October 17, 2008
Bush
October 17, 2008
Bush
October 17, 2008
Bush
October 17, 2008
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/17/ex_asst_treasury_sec_paul_craig


Most companies in US avoid federal income taxes

By JENNIFER C. KERR, Associated Press WriterTue Aug 12, 2008
Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080812/ap_on_bi_ge/corporations_income_tax

Corporations not pulling weight on taxes
By LOREN STEFFY Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Aug. 19, 2008, 10:38PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/5954471.html
Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans

McClatchy-Tribune News Op-Ed: Holly Sklar, Pay CEOs less, minimum wage
workers more
http://www.businessforafairminimumwage.org/node/46
Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans


August 28, 2006
Real Wages Fail to Match a Rise in Productivity
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/28/business/28wages.html
Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans


Income Gap Is Widening, Data Shows

By DAVID CAY JOHNSTON
Published: March 29, 2007
Income inequality grew significantly in 2005, with the top 1 percent of
Americans -- those with incomes that year of more than $348,000 --
receiving their largest share of national income since 1928, analysis of
newly released tax data shows.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29tax.html?_r=1
Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans, Bush Republicans

Now, if we can just get those war criminals to the Hague.

Wildbilly

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:49:05 AM12/17/09
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In article <qleii515e8m2k2opk...@4ax.com>,
Patriot Games <Pat...@America.Com> wrote:

Still delusional? Obama is on your side, relax. This administration is
set on giving us mandatory, private, pay-through-the-nose health care,
so that the American citizens, even delusional ones, like you, won't
want to come back soon to fix it. 45,000 dead each year because of the
lack of health care.

You are about as American as a Nazi.

Patriot Games

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:51:45 PM12/17/09
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Prove it.

Bugs

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Dec 17, 2009, 4:32:11 PM12/17/09
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Patriot Games wrote:
>
>>
>>Are you a total moron or do you just play one on the internet?
>>Hint - essentially all the unemployed under Obama were unemployed due to
>>GW's leadership.
>
>
> Prove it.
>


Get real. You must be the laughing stock of your trailer park.

AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 17, 2009, 6:51:39 PM12/17/09
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On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:49:05 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote:

>45,000 dead each year because of the lack of health care.

You're talking worldwide, right?....AAC

"Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of
old age." ... Harry Reid, Senate Majority Leader

As an American, I am not so shocked that Obama was given the Nobel Peace
Prize without any accomplishments to his name, but that America gave him The
White House based on the same credentials." -- Newt Gingrich

Wildbilly

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Dec 18, 2009, 12:24:30 AM12/18/09
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In article <28eli5d7khbooqnt9...@4ax.com>,
AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:49:05 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote:
>
> >45,000 dead each year because of the lack of health care.
>

> You're talking worldwide, right?....uAC

No.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php

Posted on September 17, 2009
Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack
of health coverage
Lack of health insurance now more lethal
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Sept. 17, 2009

Contacts:
Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H.
David Himmelstein, M.D.
Andrew P. Wilper, M.D., M.P.H.
Mark Almberg, Physicians for a National Health Program, (312) 782-6006,
ma...@pnhp.org
David Lerner or Karmen Ross, Riptide Communications, (212) 260-5000

A study published online today estimates nearly 45,000 annual deaths are
associated with lack of health insurance. That figure is about two and a
half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM)
in 2002.
The new study, "Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults," appears
in today's online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.
The Harvard-based researchers found that uninsured, working-age
Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately
insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in
1993.
Lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when
the study was done and who now teaches at the University of Washington
Medical School, said, "The uninsured have a higher risk of death when
compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account
socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health. We doctors have
many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart
disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford their
medications."
---

Being unAmerican, you are obviously ignorant of what is going on in the
States.

AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 18, 2009, 1:48:45 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:24:30 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote:

>In article <28eli5d7khbooqnt9...@4ax.com>,
> AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:49:05 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote:
>>
>> >45,000 dead each year because of the lack of health care.
>>
>> You're talking worldwide, right?....uAC
>
>No.
>
>http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php
>
>Posted on September 17, 2009
>Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack
>of health coverage
>Lack of health insurance now more lethal

Now if I was a democrat, right about here I would chortle and say something inane
like "Harvard????? hahahahahaha.

Then I would add, "A study published ONLINE?...hahahahahaha.

Based on the uncomfirmed statistics for uninsured in this country, it appears there
are more dying than are living.

I would be interested in knowing how many of these people would have died had they
received the care implied that they didn't....AAC

AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 18, 2009, 1:51:30 AM12/18/09
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Actually, comedy's not his thing. He sings, or should I say croons all our cares
away as we sit outside our double wides swilling Miller Lite.....AAC

Wildbilly

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Dec 18, 2009, 9:44:24 PM12/18/09
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In article <a39mi5d11qv6p7068...@4ax.com>,
AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:24:30 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net> wrote:
>
> >In article <28eli5d7khbooqnt9...@4ax.com>,
> > AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:49:05 -0800, Wildbilly <wldbilly@without_a.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >45,000 dead each year because of the lack of health care.
> >>
> >> You're talking worldwide, right?....uAC
> >
> >No.
> >
> >http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php
> >
> >Posted on September 17, 2009
> >Harvard study finds nearly 45,000 excess deaths annually linked to lack
> >of health coverage
> >Lack of health insurance now more lethal
>
> Now if I was a democrat, right about here I would chortle and say something
> inane
> like "Harvard????? hahahahahaha.
>
> Then I would add, "A study published ONLINE?...hahahahahaha.
>
> Based on the uncomfirmed statistics for uninsured in this country, it appears
> there
> are more dying than are living.
>
> I would be interested in knowing how many of these people would have died had
> they
> received the care implied that they didn't....AAC
>

You'd probably need a doctor to determine that, huh?

Being unAmerican, you are obviously ignorant by choice..

You have authoritative facts of what is going on in the United States.
Accept or refute them. I realize that you brown shirts are meant to be
just bullies and thugs, and not meant to think, but give it a go. It
just might jostle that dormant organ between your ears back to life.

AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 19, 2009, 2:47:20 PM12/19/09
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Good answer.

>>
>> >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>> >Sept. 17, 2009
>> >
>> >Contacts:
>> >Steffie Woolhandler, M.D., M.P.H.
>> >David Himmelstein, M.D.
>> >Andrew P. Wilper, M.D., M.P.H.
>> >Mark Almberg, Physicians for a National Health Program, (312) 782-6006,
>> >ma...@pnhp.org
>> >David Lerner or Karmen Ross, Riptide Communications, (212) 260-5000
>> >
>> >A study published online today estimates nearly 45,000 annual deaths are
>> >associated with lack of health insurance. That figure is about two and a
>> >half times higher than an estimate from the Institute of Medicine (IOM)
>> >in 2002.

How many of these might you suppose are illegal immigrants? We're a generous country
but we're going bankrupt on our own, why should we also take on the medical care for
citizens of other countries?

>> >The new study, "Health Insurance and Mortality in U.S. Adults," appears
>> >in today's online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.
>> >The Harvard-based researchers found that uninsured, working-age
>> >Americans have a 40 percent higher risk of death than their privately
>> >insured counterparts, up from a 25 percent excess death rate found in
>> >1993.
>Lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper, who worked at Harvard Medical School when
>the study was done and who now teaches at the University of Washington
>Medical School, said, "The uninsured have a higher risk of death when
>compared to the privately insured, even after taking into account
>socioeconomics, health behaviors and baseline health. We doctors have
>many new ways to prevent deaths from hypertension, diabetes and heart
>disease -- but only if patients can get into our offices and afford
>their medications."
>> >---
>> >
>
>Being unAmerican, you are obviously ignorant by choice..
>
>You have authoritative facts of what is going on in the United States.
>Accept or refute them. I realize that you brown shirts are meant to be
>just bullies and thugs, and not meant to think, but give it a go. It
>just might jostle that dormant organ between your ears back to life.

I think you are ignorant of the fact that there are not many that have to go without
medical care in this country if they take the time to search it out. In addition to
small private emergency hospitals, there are County hospitals and health clinics, not
to mention every Emergency Room in every state and even some private doctors that
take a person's ability to pay into consideration. I believe most people think only
illegal immigrants can get treated in emergency rooms and not have to pay...not so,
no-one that walks through the door can be turned away. Of course, there is also
Medicaid.

I don't remember the exact stats but I have read in several reports that many of our
uninsured are there by choice. Either young and healthy and/or simply don't want to
spend the money for health insurance.

If you think the health plan they are trying to ram through Congress will cure all
these ills, think again. There will still be millions uninsured. Everyone else will
pay more.

If you want to harp about something, complain about those people who do buy private
insurance and the cost is too oppressive. Let's see if the Plan in front of Congress
does anything to help them and bring costs into line with an average income.

Merry Christmas....AAC

Patriot Games

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:04:22 PM12/19/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:32:11 -0500, Bugs <Bu...@bunny.com> wrote:
>Patriot Games wrote:
>>>Are you a total moron or do you just play one on the internet?
>>>Hint - essentially all the unemployed under Obama were unemployed due to
>>>GW's leadership.
>> Prove it.
>Get real.

In case you haven't figured it out YOU'RE FINISHED.

Frauds are BUSTED and EXPOSED:

From: Bugs <Bu...@bunny.com>
From: peaches <pea...@cumngetit.com>
From: peaches <pea...@getit.com>
From: clams_casino <PeterG...@DrunkinClam.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.14.86.226


Patriot Games

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Dec 19, 2009, 6:05:25 PM12/19/09
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Miller Lite!?!?!

Did you get a raise?

bugs

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Dec 19, 2009, 8:02:59 PM12/19/09
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Wow - You really are as smart as a fourth grader. Or did you need help
for that bit of simple investigation?

AnAmericanCitizen

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Dec 19, 2009, 9:50:34 PM12/19/09
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You're just too good, PG.....no way I could top this (as usual) so I won't even
try...AAC (you are very funny)

Wildbilly

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Dec 19, 2009, 11:32:45 PM12/19/09
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In article <u79qi5pi5vts9ps2h...@4ax.com>,
AnAmericanCitizen <NoAm...@earthlink.net> wrote:

That will be the day.

> you are ignorant of the fact that there are not many that have to go
> without
> medical care in this country if they take the time to search it out. In
> addition to
> small private emergency hospitals, there are County hospitals and health
> clinics, not
> to mention every Emergency Room in every state and even some private doctors
> that
> take a person's ability to pay into consideration. I believe most people
> think only
> illegal immigrants can get treated in emergency rooms and not have to
> pay...not so,
> no-one that walks through the door can be turned away. Of course, there is
> also
> Medicaid.
>
> I don't remember

What a surprise.

> the exact stats but I have read in several reports that many
> of our
> uninsured are there by choice. Either young and healthy and/or simply don't
> want to
> spend the money for health insurance.
>
> If you think the health plan they are trying to ram through Congress will
> cure all
> these ills, think again. There will still be millions uninsured. Everyone
> else will
> pay more.

But you didn't want socialism. You wanted the insurance companies to
keep skinning (not shearing) us. Never saw "Sicko", huh?


>
> If you want to harp about something, complain about those people who do buy
> private
> insurance and the cost is too oppressive. Let's see if the Plan in front of
> Congress
> does anything to help them and bring costs into line with an average income.
>
> Merry Christmas....AAC

So this must be Dr. Jekel, where is your foul-mouthed, brown-shirted Mr.
Hyde?

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/bankruptcy_study.html

Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds

February 3, 2005

? Health-Related Bankruptcies Up 50 Percent
? House Panel Hears From Consumers Who Lost Insurance
? Harvard Study: 60% of Bankruptcies Caused by Health Problems
? Hospital Stays Increase for Uninsured Americans
? Keeping Your Health Insurance When You're Unemployed
? Hospitals Score Low in Patient Survey
? Lack of Children's Health Insurance Increasing Across the Board
? Uninsured Aren't Primary Cause of Crowds in Emergency Rooms
? Census Report Shows Increase In Uninsured
? Hospital, Health Insurance Costs Skyrocket
? Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds
? U.S. Health Care Most Expensive & Most Error Prone
? Retirees Underestimate Health Care Costs
? Per Capita U.S. Health Care Costs Triple Canada's
---

Illness and medical bills caused half of the 1,458,000 personal
bankruptcies in 2001, according to a study published by the journal
Health Affairs.
The study estimates that medical bankruptcies affect about 2 million
Americans annually -- counting debtors and their dependents, including
about 700,000 children.
Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by illness had health insurance.
More than three-quarters were insured at the start of the bankrupting
illness. However, 38 percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by
the time they filed for bankruptcy.
Most of the medical bankruptcy filers were middle class; 56 percent
owned a home and the same number had attended college. In many cases,
illness forced breadwinners to take time off from work -- losing income
and job-based health insurance precisely when families needed it most.
Families in bankruptcy suffered many privations -- 30 percent had a
utility cut off and 61 percent went without needed medical care.
The research, carried out jointly by researchers at Harvard Law School
and Harvard Medical School, is the first in-depth study of medical
causes of bankruptcy. With the cooperation of bankruptcy judges in five
Federal districts (in California, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and
Texas) they administered questionnaires to bankruptcy filers and
reviewed their court records.
Dr. David Himmelstein, the lead author of the study and an Associate
Professor of Medicine at Harvard commented: "Unless you're Bill Gates
you're just one serious illness away from bankruptcy. Most of the
medically bankrupt were average Americans who happened to get sick."
Today's health insurance policies -- with high deductibles, co-pays, and
many exclusions -- offer little protection during a serious illness.
Uncovered medical bills averaged $13,460 for those with private
insurance at the start of their illness. People with cancer had average
medical debts of $35,878.
"The paradox is that the costliest health system in the world performs
so poorly. We waste one-third of every health care dollar on insurance
bureaucracy and profits while two million people go bankrupt annually
and we leave 45 million uninsured" said Dr. Quentin Young, national
coordinator of Physicians for a National Health Program.
"With national health insurance ('Medicare for All'), we could provide
comprehensive, lifelong coverage to all Americans for the same amount we
are spending now and end the cruelty of ruining families financially
when they get sick."
------

That's right UnAmerican. It's not the victims who are to blame but the
blood sucking insurance companies, who keep shoving money into
politicians pockets.

We need government funded elections to get corporate money out of
government and we need to vote third party because the two Parties now
are just the Kleptocrats.

Wildbilly

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You two "posers" make a nice couple (of what, I won't say;O)

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