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Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to 11.9 Billion EUR in
December of 2010. German economy is heavily export-oriented (the world's
biggest exporter), with exports accounting for more than one-third of
national output. Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery,
chemical products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
German零 principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical products,
machinery, oil and gas and computers.
Jobless Rate 7.40%
Germany has jobs, good wages, strong unions, health care, and
retirement. The U.S. has minimum health care for those over 65, but no
one would call Social Security a retirement wage, and Congress wants to
cut both of them.
Germany didn't ship its jobs overseas.
---
Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
Germany 12:1
United States 475:1
The problems are
1) Financial banks were under regulated (Glass-Seagall) and owed as much
as $33 for every $1 they had.
2) Politicians who receive $$$ from investment banks bailed them out
with tax-payers money. $8 trillion the last time I looked.
<http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/06/news/economy/where_stimulus_fits_in/inde
x.htm>
<http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/looting_main_street_matt_taibbi_on
>
3) The government continues on with wars (and new wars) that most U.S.
citizens don't want ($3 trillion and counting), but are a boon to weapon
makers. You can only use a bomb once. Invest in a highway, and you can
use it for years.
<http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/stiglitz200804>
4) The government continues to sell mineral rights for pennies on the
dollar, and subsidize oil and coal mining operations, instead of putting
that money into renewable sources of energy which will power our nation
in the future.
5) Speaking of subsidies, much money is also thrown down a hole in
subsidizing grain commodities. Not only is much of this grain exported
(sending American money around the world) for prices below the cost of
production, thereby driving foreign farmers off their fields at a time
when the planet needs maximum food production, but our high grain diet
seems to be making us sick as well. This subsidy money would be better
spent in growing vegetables and fruits to complement the empty calories
of refined grains.
Time to tell your politicians that we don't want to be like Bangladesh.
We want to be like Germany.
Make some noise, and push back.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.
Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
<http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/28/dennis-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/>
[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it零 not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That零 hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don靖 get away with no taxation.
- Ralph Nader
<http://www.democracynow.org/2011/7/19/ralph_naders_solution_to_debt_crisis>
> Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world,
Nope.
> yet it has few natural resources, except for a well educated work force.
> Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to 11.9 Billion
> EUR in December of 2010. German economy is heavily
> export-oriented (the world's biggest exporter),
Nope.
> with exports accounting for more than one-third of national output.
> Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery, chemical
> products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
> Germanąs principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
> products, machinery, oil and gas and computers.
> Jobless Rate 7.40%
The US managed 4.x% with an immense legal and illegal
immigration rate and the participation rate at an all time
historic high, just before the clowns were allowed to
completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
> Germany has jobs,
Everywhere in the first and second world has jobs.
> good wages,
Their wages arent anything special in the first world.
> strong unions,
More fool them.
> health care,
So has all of the modern first and second world.
> and retirement.
So has all of the modern first and second world.
> The U.S. has minimum health care for those over 65,
Its nothing like minimum for those over 65.
> but no one would call Social Security a retirement wage,
Plenty do, and few americans have just social security in retirement anyway.
> and Congress wants to cut both of them.
A few tea party loons do, actually.
> Germany didn't ship its jobs overseas.
Corse it does, most obviously with low cost consumer goods from china.
> ---
> Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
> Germany 12:1
> United States 475:1
Mindlessly superficial.
Germany has nothing like New York or LA etc either.
And didnt first fully commercialise the computer either.
And has sweet fuck all in the way of an aircraft industry either.
> The problems are
> 1) Financial banks were under regulated (Glass-Seagall)
Even sillier.
> and owed as much as $33 for every $1 they had.
That wasnt the problem.
> 2) Politicians who receive $$$ from investment
> banks bailed them out with tax-payers money.
They bailed them out to avoid another great depression or worse.
That worked.
> $8 trillion the last time I looked.
> <http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/06/news/economy/where_stimulus_fits_in/inde
> x.htm>
> <http://www.democracynow.org/2010/4/12/looting_main_street_matt_taibbi_on
The great depression produced a much higher GDP cost.
> 3) The government continues on with wars (and new wars)
> that most U.S. citizens don't want ($3 trillion and counting),
Thats a lie with new wars.
> but are a boon to weapon makers.
Another lie.
And Germany has never ever done anything like that, eh ?
> You can only use a bomb once.
Wars arent about bombs, stupid.
> Invest in a highway, and you can use it for years.
And the US did that in spades with their national highway system.
> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/stiglitz200804>
> 4) The government continues to sell mineral rights for pennies on the dollar,
Another pig ignorant lie.
> and subsidize oil and coal mining operations,
Another pig ignorant lie.
> instead of putting that money into renewable sources
> of energy which will power our nation in the future.
Like hell they will. Nukes will, you watch.
> 5) Speaking of subsidies, much money is also thrown down a hole in
> subsidizing grain commodities.
Fuck all money, actually in the total govt spending.
> Not only is much of this grain exported
Another pig ignorant lie.
> (sending American money around the world)
> for prices below the cost of production,
Another pig ignorant lie.
> thereby driving foreign farmers off their fields at a time
> when the planet needs maximum food production,
Another pig ignorant lie.
> but our high grain diet seems to be making us sick as well.
Another pig ignorant lie. Life expectancys continue to increase, stupid.
> This subsidy money would be better spent in growing vegetables
> and fruits to complement the empty calories of refined grains.
Grain calories arent empty, cretin.
> Time to tell your politicians that we don't want to
> be like Bangladesh. We want to be like Germany.
No thanks, American has never been stupid enough to start two world wars.
> Make some noise, and push back.
Go and fuck yourself.
You seem to be long on opinions, but short on facts. It's a common
problem with blowhards. I gave citations, why can't you? And while were
at it, can you put the lid down on your potty mouth? Any idiot can swear.
> Billy wrote
>
> > Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world,
>
> Nope.
>
> > yet it has few natural resources, except for a well educated work force.
>
> > Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to 11.9 Billion
> > EUR in December of 2010. German economy is heavily
> > export-oriented (the world's biggest exporter),
>
> Nope.
Your right. China with 1.2 billion people is presently #1.
Germany with nearly 82 million people is #2.
The US with 312 million is #3.
>
> > with exports accounting for more than one-third of national output.
> > Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery, chemical
> > products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
> > Germanšs principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
> > products, machinery, oil and gas and computers.
>
> > Jobless Rate 7.40%
>
> The US managed 4.x% with an immense legal and illegal
> immigration rate and the participation rate at an all time
> historic high, just before the clowns were allowed to
> completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
You mean at the end of the Clinton Presidency.
<http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate>
>
> > Germany has jobs,
>
> Everywhere in the first and second world has jobs.
4.6 unemployed workers in U.S. for every job opening
<http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/70130/20101008/jobs-unemployed-openings.
htm>
>
> > good wages,
>
> Their wages arent anything special in the first world.
>
> > strong unions,
>
> More fool them.
You don't like 40 hr. weeks and weekends off?
>
> > health care,
>
> So has all of the modern first and second world.
The United States doesn't have a health care system for all its citizens.
>
> > and retirement.
>
> So has all of the modern first and second world.
>
> > The U.S. has minimum health care for those over 65,
>
> Its nothing like minimum for those over 65.
I'm over 65, and it's minimum.
Your going to have to be responsible for your own education, as you seem
to be a bottomless pit of ignorance.
>
> > but no one would call Social Security a retirement wage,
>
> Plenty do, and few americans have just social security in retirement anyway.
>
> > and Congress wants to cut both of them.
>
> A few tea party loons do, actually.
>
> > Germany didn't ship its jobs overseas.
>
> Corse it does, most obviously with low cost consumer goods from china.
No jobs were lost in Germany, when Benz and other German companies set
up factories in China.
> > ---
>
> > Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
>
> > Germany 12:1
>
> > United States 475:1
>
> Mindlessly superficial.
Only someone who was mindless would say that. If a CEO got the same
return as in Germany, they could hire another 462 employees, or
investors would have larger dividends.
>
> Germany has nothing like New York or LA etc either.
>
> And didnt first fully commercialise the computer either.
No, IBM helped Hitler keep track of the Jews.
>
> And has sweet fuck all in the way of an aircraft industry either.
Never heard of the Airbus?
You have to be the most ignorant person I've ever met.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.
Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
<http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/28/dennis-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/>
[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And itšs not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. Thatšs hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they donšt get away with no taxation.
> You seem to be long on opinions,
Corse you arent anything like that yourself, eh ?
> but short on facts.
You're long on pig ignorant lies yourself.
> It's a common problem with blowhards.
And with pathetic excuses for lying bullshit artists like yourself.
> I gave citations,
Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, again.
> why can't you?
YOU made the claims.
YOU get to provide the citations.
THATS how it works.
> And while were at it, can you put the lid down on your potty mouth?
Go and fuck yourself.
> Any idiot can swear.
And any fuckwit can lie, and you do.
>> Billy wrote
>>> Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world,
>> Nope.
>>> yet it has few natural resources, except for a well educated work force.
>>> Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to 11.9 Billion
>>> EUR in December of 2010. German economy is heavily
>>> export-oriented (the world's biggest exporter),
>> Nope.
> Your right. China with 1.2 billion people is presently #1.
> Germany with nearly 82 million people is #2.
> The US with 312 million is #3.
The US has never been as involved in exports, it doesnt need to be.
It completely dominates the world militarily and economically anyway.
>>> with exports accounting for more than one-third of national output.
>>> Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery, chemical
>>> products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
>>> Germanąs principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
>>> products, machinery, oil and gas and computers.
>>> Jobless Rate 7.40%
>> The US managed 4.x% with an immense legal and illegal
>> immigration rate and the participation rate at an all time
>> historic high, just before the clowns were allowed to
>> completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
> You mean at the end of the Clinton Presidency.
Nope.
> <http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate>
>>> Germany has jobs,
>> Everywhere in the first and second world has jobs.
> 4.6 unemployed workers in U.S. for every job opening
> <http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/70130/20101008/jobs-unemployed-openings.htm>
Irrelevant to whether the US has jobs. With 90% employed, there clearly are jobs.
>>> good wages,
>> Their wages arent anything special in the first world.
>>> strong unions,
>> More fool them.
> You don't like 40 hr. weeks and weekends off?
That wasnt provided by unions.
>>> health care,
>> So has all of the modern first and second world.
> The United States doesn't have a health care system for all its citizens.
Wrong. It just doesnt have a GOVERMENT health care system for all its citizens.
>>> and retirement.
>> So has all of the modern first and second world.
>>> The U.S. has minimum health care for those over 65,
>> Its nothing like minimum for those over 65.
> I'm over 65, and it's minimum.
You wrong. And you didnt provide even a single citation for that lie.
> Your going to have to be responsible for your own education,
> as you seem to be a bottomless pit of ignorance.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
>>> but no one would call Social Security a retirement wage,
>> Plenty do, and few americans have just social security in retirement anyway.
>>> and Congress wants to cut both of them.
>> A few tea party loons do, actually.
>>> Germany didn't ship its jobs overseas.
>> Corse it does, most obviously with low cost consumer goods from china.
> No jobs were lost in Germany, when Benz and other German companies set up factories in China.
Pity about the jobs that were lost when they no long make low cost consumer goods in germany.
>>> Country Ratio of CEO pay to average worker pay
>>> Germany 12:1
>>> United States 475:1
>> Mindlessly superficial.
> Only someone who was mindless would say that.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
> If a CEO got the same return as in Germany, they could hire another 462 employees,
They wouldnt be that stupid. Any operation only employs as many as they need to get the work done.
> or investors would have larger dividends.
Or they might well see the CEO they pay that poorly produce much lower returns for investors.
>> Germany has nothing like New York or LA etc either.
>> And didnt first fully commercialise the computer either.
> No, IBM helped Hitler keep track of the Jews.
And those brilliant krauts shipped them off to the gas chambers.
>> And has sweet fuck all in the way of an aircraft industry either.
> Never heard of the Airbus?
Taint german. No space industry either.
Fuck all of a computer industry either.
>> Even sillier.
>> That wasnt the problem.
>> That worked.
>> Another lie.
>>> <http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/stiglitz200804>
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
The stupid krauts will scrap theirs.
>>> 5) Speaking of subsidies, much money is also thrown
>>> down a hole in subsidizing grain commodities.
>> Fuck all money, actually in the total govt spending.
>>> Not only is much of this grain exported
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> (sending American money around the world)
>>> for prices below the cost of production,
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> thereby driving foreign farmers off their fields at a time
>>> when the planet needs maximum food production,
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>> but our high grain diet seems to be making us sick as well.
>> Another pig ignorant lie. Life expectancys continue to increase, stupid.
>>> This subsidy money would be better spent in growing vegetables
>>> and fruits to complement the empty calories of refined grains.
>> Grain calories arent empty, cretin.
>>> Time to tell your politicians that we don't want to
>>> be like Bangladesh. We want to be like Germany.
>> No thanks, American has never been stupid enough to start two world wars.
>>> Make some noise, and push back.
>> Go and fuck yourself.
> You have to be the most ignorant person I've ever met.
You never ever could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.
You really use a lot of words to say nothing.
> >>> Germanšs principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
You're so full of it, it's hard to tell where to start shoveling first.
Formation of Airbus Industrie
Airbus A300, the first aircraft model launched by Airbus.
Airbus Industrie was formally established as a Groupement d'Interet
Économique (Economic Interest Group or GIE) on 18 December 1970.[14] It
had been formed by a government initiative between France,
Germany
and the UK that originated in 1967. The name "Airbus" was taken from a
non-proprietary term used by the airline industry in the 1960s to refer
to a commercial aircraft of a certain size and range, for this term was
acceptable to the French linguistically. Aérospatiale and
Deutsche Airbus
each took a 36.5% share of production work, Hawker Siddeley 20% and
Fokker-VFW 7%.[11] Each company would deliver its sections as fully
equipped, ready-to-fly items. In October 1971 the Spanish company CASA
acquired a 4.2% share of Airbus Industrie, with Aérospatiale and
Deutsche Airbus reducing their stakes to 47.9%.[11] In January 1979
British Aerospace, which had absorbed Hawker Siddeley in 1977, acquired
a 20% share of Airbus Industrie.[16]
> You really use a lot of words to say nothing.
Corse you arent anything like that yourself, eh ?
>>>>> German¹s principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
We'll see...
> Formation of Airbus Industrie
> Airbus A300, the first aircraft model launched by Airbus.
> Airbus Industrie was formally established as a Groupement d'Interet
> Économique (Economic Interest Group or GIE) on 18 December 1970.[14]
> It had been formed by a government initiative between France,
Pity about where most of the real work happens.
> Germany and the UK that originated in 1967. The name "Airbus"
> was taken from a non-proprietary term used by the airline industry
> in the 1960s to refer to a commercial aircraft of a certain size and
> range, for this term was acceptable to the French linguistically.
Its just a name, stupid.
> Aérospatiale and Deutsche Airbus each took a 36.5% share of production
> work, Hawker Siddeley 20% and Fokker-VFW 7%.[11] Each company
> would deliver its sections as fully equipped, ready-to-fly items. In October
> 1971 the Spanish company CASA acquired a 4.2% share of Airbus Industrie,
> with Aérospatiale and Deutsche Airbus reducing their stakes to 47.9%.[11]
> In January 1979 British Aerospace, which had absorbed Hawker Siddeley
> in 1977, acquired a 20% share of Airbus Industrie.[16]
Pity about where most of the real work happens.
Now try listing anything the krauts do space wise and wipe the egg off your silly little face.
> Now try listing anything the krauts do space wise and wipe the egg off your
> silly little face.
Never heard of V2 rockets, or Werner von Braun? You do lead a sheltered
life.
<http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/k-12/TRC/Rockets/history_of_rockets.html>
German scientists built the American space program. German engineers
built the Russian program. The joke in the 60's was that our Germans are
better than your Germans ;O)
European Space Agency
ESA's space flight program includes human spaceflight, mainly through
the participation in the International Space Station program, the launch
and operations of unmanned exploration missions to other planets and the
Moon, Earth observation, science, telecommunication as well as
maintaining a major spaceport, the Guiana Space Centre at Kourou, French
Guiana, and designing launch vehicles. The main European launch vehicle
Ariane 5 is operated through Arianespace with ESA sharing in the costs
of launching and further developing this launch vehicle.
ESA science missions are based at ESTEC in Noordwijk, Netherlands, Earth
Observation missions at ESRIN in Frascati, Italy,
ESA Mission Control (ESOC) is in Darmstadt, Germany,
the European Astronaut Centre (EAC) that trains astronauts for future
missions is situated in Cologne, Germany,
and the European Space Astronomy Centre is located in Villanueva de la
Cañada, Spain.
I don't want to beat you up any more, Speedy. My arm's getting tired.
You may want to wipe some of that egg off your face.
It's been different, but I need to go talk to some intelligent people
now, bye.
--
- Billy
Both the House and Senate budget plan would have cut Social Security and Medicare, while cutting taxes on the wealthy.
Kucinich noted that none of the government programs targeted for
elimination or severe cutback in House Republican spending plans
"appeared on the GAO's list of government programs at high risk of
waste, fraud and abuse."
<http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/mar/28/dennis-kucinich/re
p-dennis-kucinich-says-gop-budget-cuts-dont-targ/>
[W]e have the situation with the deficit and the debt and spending and jobs. And it¹s not that difficult to get out of it. The first thing you do is you get rid of corporate welfare. That¹s hundreds of billions of dollars a year. The second is you tax corporations so that they don¹t get away with no taxation.
>> Now try listing anything the krauts do space wise and wipe the egg
>> off your silly little face.
> Never heard of V2 rockets,
Nothing to do with space, fool..
> or Werner von Braun?
He didnt do that in GERMANY, fool.
<reams of your irrelevant shit flushed where it belongs>
Sorry. In the past, Speedy has made what I thought were some good posts.
His quality of posting appears to be in the toilet, as now he relies on
reflex invectives. Maybe he has a brain tumor. In any event it is over.
Your right, as Fran keeps telling me, I should watch who I'm posting to.
He also might consider: alt.idiot.jerkoff
> Nope.
Who is 4th?
> > yet it has few natural resources, except for a well educated work force.
> > Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to 11.9 Billion
> > EUR in December of 2010. German economy is heavily
> > export-oriented (the world's biggest exporter),
> Nope.
No links?
> > with exports accounting for more than one-third of national output.
> > Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery, chemical
> > products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
> > German¹s principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical
> > products, machinery, oil and gas and computers.
> > Jobless Rate 7.40%
> The US managed 4.x% with an immense legal and illegal
> immigration rate and the participation rate at an all time
> historic high, just before the clowns were allowed to
> completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
> > Germany has jobs,
> Everywhere in the first and second world has jobs.
Tell that to the unemployed.
> > good wages,
> Their wages arent anything special in the first world.
They are much better than the low paying jobs created in TX by Perry.
> > strong unions,
> More fool them.
So the German econoy would be even better w/o unions?
> > health care,
> So has all of the modern first and second world.
Why doesn't anyone believe that?
Bret Cahill
> Why waste your time with this troll???
For the same reason fools waste their time with you.
> He's just looking to start an argument
Corse you never ever do anything like that, eh ?
> and have an excuse to swear......
Dont need an excuse, fuckwit child.
> If you notice, he cross-posts to:
> alt.politics.economics,
> misc.invest.stocks,
> sci.econ,
> alt.politics.liberalism and
> misc.rural
So stupid that it cant even work out that those were put there by that fool.
> About the only group where he would fit in(possibly) is misc.rural......
misc.wankers in your case.
>>> Germany is the 4th largest economy in the world,
>> Nope.
> Who is 4th?
Look it up.
>>> yet it has few natural resources, except for a well educated
>>> work force. Germany reported a trade surplus equivalent to
>>> 11.9 Billion EUR in December of 2010. German economy is
>>> heavily export-oriented (the world's biggest exporter),
>> Nope.
> No links?
He made the claim.
He gets to provide the links.
Thats how it works.
>>> with exports accounting for more than one-third of national output.
>>> Its principal exports are: motor vehicles, machinery, chemical
>>> products, electrical devices and telecommunications technology.
>>> German零 principal imports are motor vehicles, chemical products,
>>> machinery, oil and gas and computers. Jobless Rate 7.40%
>> The US managed 4.x% with an immense legal and illegal
>> immigration rate and the participation rate at an all time
>> historic high, just before the clowns were allowed to
>> completely implode the entire world financial system, again.
>>> Germany has jobs,
>> Everywhere in the first and second world has jobs.
> Tell that to the unemployed.
Fuck the unemployed.
>>> good wages,
>> Their wages arent anything special in the first world.
> They are much better than the low paying jobs created in TX by Perry.
So what ?
>>> strong unions,
>> More fool them.
> So the German econoy would be even better w/o unions?
Never said that. And unions aint STRONG unions anyway.
>>> health care,
>> So has all of the modern first and second world.
> Why doesn't anyone believe that?
Because they are stupid and pig ignorant.
I rest my case!!!
>> misc.wankers in your case.
> I rest my case!!!
You have no case you pathetic little desperately wanking troll.
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